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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: mr. dee on December 08, 2012, 06:00:43 AM
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Okay. I'm sure many would disagree. Sure, 10-9 isn't that really good if you are looking on paper but we still have 63 games to go.
Just look at the current record of the teams that are ahead of us in the Conference:
New York - 14-4
Miami - 12-5
Atlanta - 11-5
Chicago - 10-8
Brooklyn - 11-7
Philadelphia - 10-8
- We still don't know what New York is really capable yet so I can't say anything on them for now.
- Miami is just 5 L away from us and we still have 63 games to catch them up.
- Looks like Brooklyn is starting to slip.
- I'm not worried about Atlanta. Look at the last year's playoffs
- Philly is same as Atlanta and we actually snatch the division title from them last year.
- We just beat Chicago on their homecourt.
Things to be excited from this team:
- The defensive is starting to be solid. It would be more solid once Avery Bradley comes back
- Jeff Green is starting to get his groove. It would be great if he more minutes so Pierce can get more rest.
- Consistent effort from our point guard Rondo. Last year, many are complaining on how inconsistent he is. He seems to put that issue away now.
- We no longer need to worry about offensive options. The only thing to worry is Doc's decisions.
- Our rebounding efforts also improved. Good to see someone on our team being a threat in the paint.
Things to improve on remaining games:
- Although the defense are already there, it is still not on the level of defense from last season. That can be fixed in time
- As much good as our perimeter defense are, I can't say the same thing in the paint. We have now less option on the big since Darko left the team. I hope Danny can fix it by acquiring some decent big to contribute.
- Turnovers are killing me. But as much as I hate them, it is unavoidable. They need to get familiar with each play and mistakes might be the only way to improve it.
- Doc's bad coaching habits. Sometimes, he is just being too stubborn. Refusing to bench the best players when they are definitely playing bad. If he realize it, he can make better rotation and match up for games. Also, he needs to know when to use the small ball lineup.
To those who said this team is finished, better finish the whole season or at least the all star break or you might eat a crow.
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That lil' rant of your should really be worth at least a couple of Tommy points.
Cheers, good read, that.
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Right now, this team sucks. There's no other way to describe it. They haven't beaten one good team yet. Not sure what others seeing but right now, I just see a bad team that can't close out games.
And by the way, the 10-9 record is hardly indicative of how good they are. If it wasn't for wins over cream puff teams like Washington, Toronto, Minnesota and Utah, they might not have won a game yet.
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TP for the post.
We've been playing better as of late, but still a way to go IMO.
- The defense is still not where it should be, though again, better lately. We have been a top-tier defensive team in terms of points/possession the past several years, and this year we are middle of the pack.
- Turnovers hurt us too much. We take better care of the ball vs. Philly last night,we win in regulation.
- While we are not cut out to be a good rebounding team, we are absolutely terrible. Moderate improvements in this area would also help. Like many of you, I expect a trade to help us shore up the interior D/rebounding.
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Right now, this team sucks. There's no other way to describe it. They haven't beaten one good team yet. Not sure what others seeing but right now, I just see a bad team that can't close out games.
And by the way, the 10-9 record is hardly indicative of how good they are. If it wasn't for wins over cream puff teams like Washington, Toronto, Minnesota and Utah, they might not have won a game yet.
The OKC team sure does sucks :)
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Right now, this team sucks. There's no other way to describe it. They haven't beaten one good team yet. Not sure what others seeing but right now, I just see a bad team that can't close out games.
And by the way, the 10-9 record is hardly indicative of how good they are. If it wasn't for wins over cream puff teams like Washington, Toronto, Minnesota and Utah, they might not have won a game yet.
The OKC team sure does sucks :)
Lol, yeah. Any chance we can flip Pierce for Durant?
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Right now, this team sucks. There's no other way to describe it. They haven't beaten one good team yet. Not sure what others seeing but right now, I just see a bad team that can't close out games.
And by the way, the 10-9 record is hardly indicative of how good they are. If it wasn't for wins over cream puff teams like Washington, Toronto, Minnesota and Utah, they might not have won a game yet.
The OKC team sure does sucks :)
Lol, yeah. Any chance we can flip Pierce for Durant?
Yeah. No.
Very, very doubtful, at the very, very best.
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I am not satisfied with the record, but it's not the end of the world. They were 15-19 last year after 34 games. They played .700 ball after the break and arguably should have won the Eastern Conference.
Avery Bradley, back and healthy, is huge for us. Courtney Lee is not getting it done right now. That airball last night was horrendous.
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Love this team regardless of record since 78!
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Right now, this team sucks. There's no other way to describe it. They haven't beaten one good team yet. Not sure what others seeing but right now, I just see a bad team that can't close out games.
And by the way, the 10-9 record is hardly indicative of how good they are. If it wasn't for wins over cream puff teams like Washington, Toronto, Minnesota and Utah, they might not have won a game yet.
I was gonna say "I bet someone posts something negative soon".
But TP to the guy. There's a lot too be positive about.
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for me personally, i dont care about the record at all. there are only three things i want from this team (4, if u include a title):
1: make the playoffs and hopefully avoid miami in the first round
2: be healthy heading into the postseason
3: head into the postseason playing well
for me, the first half of the season doesn't matter. the second half and postseason do.
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for me personally, i dont care about the record at all. there are only three things i want from this team (4, if u include a title):
1: make the playoffs and hopefully avoid miami in the first round
2: be healthy heading into the postseason
3: head into the postseason playing well
for me, the first half of the season doesn't matter. the second half and postseason do.
THIS. Point for point.
Doesnt matter what our record is, as long as we make the playoffs healthy, it's good enough for me.
We have proven that we don't need HCA to win a series. We just need to be there, no matter what the record says.
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I am actually concerned. Both Pierce and KG look old to me so far this year and I feel they are the key to the team. Yeah, it's early, yeah, we get Bradley back soon, yeah, a trade for some beef would help, so I recognize a lot can still happen.
With PP and KG, they are both playing well and it is not that they have fallen off a cliff or anyting but I am seeing enough shadows of father time to be concerned.
With Pierce for example it is turnovers. It seems there are just more plays that end up with a sloppy pass where he just can't make the play he wants to. With KG, I see it with his one on one defense. He is really limited side to side. Both guys are warriors and if healthy will likely elevate some for the playoffs so I am not concerned to the point of blow it up but I am concerned.
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KG is averagine 15ppg and 7rebounds on 50% shooting...not sure how you can say he looks old out there.
Pierce, his shooting percentages have been poor..but he doesnt look injured..I think they'll come back to normal
what has been a bane to this team so far is their defense ...but it is clearly improving game to game...we held the 76ers to 37% shooting last night...if you can hold teams to those points you WILL win alot of games...and Bradley coming back in the next few weeks will help that as well.
it's a make/miss league. Pierce/KG make those bunnies we may be talking a different game?
last year we were below .500 at the all-star break and ended up going on a 70% win streak to end out the season
we are already playing better than that, and if the Defense get's back to its level by January I could see us going on a nice run...and the Nets/Knicks will surely have their periods of downtime during the season...EVERY TEAM does
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last year we were below .500 at the all-star break and ended up going on a 70% win streak to end out the season
A lot of people are referencing this point as a source of their optimism. I must say that I thought the Celtics would be better based on the preseason roster development and perhaps based on watching last season's post-all-star surge. I don't know. I am just conncerned based on what I see on the court.
We can't defend if KG is not on the court and we have trouble closing out games if PP is not "hot". At some point, they just won't be able to flip that post-all-star/Playoff switch and right now, I am concerned that this is what we are banking on to save the season.
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I just think our record right now is a mix of things...we started off with guys(green, lee) not knowing their roles and stinking it up.
and the team missing TONS of defensive rotations. but the defense seems to be improving rapidly and guys seem to be getting comfortable in what their roles should be on this team.
the only concern I have is sloppy turnovers...if you can hold a team to 37% shooting like the C's did you have a solid chance to win...but you CANT turn over the ball 20times for 19points!! if Rondo/Pierce take better care of the ball we win this game handily
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Good post, sir
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yeah i dig it. good post. tp
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This team is not a .500 ball club.
It's just playing like one.
We all know Rondo is the now the face of the franchise but this team goes only as far as KG and PP take them.
Rondo is a special talent but he can't score in crunch time, misses free throws, and lets his man blow by him way too often (gambles on defense).
KG and PP need to play better...at All-Star levels or this team is going to have to rely on it's bench a whole lot more and I think it's a good bench but it might be too deep and no one getting consistent minutes.
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free joseph, cut collins, bench bass. ;D
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.but you CANT turn over the ball 20times for 19points!! if Rondo/Pierce take better care of the ball we win this game handily
. TP!!! Sloppy play handling and passing the ball., turn overs are killing the Celtics runs .
Can't say I'm satisied, tortured more like it, but the record is what I predicted .500 ball though Xmas.
SLow I'm seeing better individual efforts from some guys starting to show up ( Green , Jet and Sully) . Some defense team improvment (slight) , slightly better board effort ( from horrible to only poor now) .
The "TEAM" concept is painfully showing positive signs, little by little.
with 10 new players added knew it would take some time.
The losses are now just by a couple points, not blowouts . So the team is playing better as a TEAM to prevent blowout, guys steping up at the right time ect.
Alot is riding on how Jeff Green, Lee, Avery Bradley and Sully turn out by the time playoff come around.
Hope DA/Doc know what their doing.. ;D
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If Doc is satisfied I'm satisfied.
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I am not satisfied with our current record. I think there are some key elements of this team missing at this point.
1. Courtney Lee - where is he?
2. Jared Sullenger - He is still trying to find his way.
3. Over-reliance on KG-PP-RR.
4. Doc Rivers game time management decisions.
5. Jason Terry has not had an effect.
6. Avery Bradley has not walked through that door yet.
There are other things but I don't think a trade is the right solution for this team. Maybe an idea will come to my head as I traverse along 33rd Avenue.
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I wouldn't say I am satisfied, but I think there is no reason to panic. There is no reasonable way to transform this team into one of the favorites to win the title this season, but this team hasn't played in a way where you can say they have no chance if they continue on their current trajectory.
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I am not satisfied with our current record. I think there are some key elements of this team missing at this point.
1. Courtney Lee - where is he?
2. Jared Sullenger - He is still trying to find his way.
3. Over-reliance on KG-PP-RR.
4. Doc Rivers game time management decisions.
5. Jason Terry has not had an effect.
6. Avery Bradley has not walked through that door yet.
There are other things but I don't think a trade is the right solution for this team. Maybe an idea will come to my head as I traverse along 33rd Avenue.
1.No idea. He seems to do better when Rondo isn't playing.
2.Sullinger actually looks like he's starting to carve out a role for himself. He is a rookie adjusting to the game and helps out where the Celtics need it: Rebounding. He's not scoring a ton but that's because the Celtics have other options off their bench.
3.KGs averaging 29 minutes a game. That to me is the opposite of over-reliance. The other two however, of course. I don't get why Doc isn't playing Green more instead of Pierce now that he's finding himself. I do wonder if Rondo's minutes go down a tad when Bradley returns
4.Definitely true. Course I think he's still trying to find which guys go where for what teams.
5.Definitely not true. JET has played very well but was just off last night. Those games happen. He's come through for the C's in the clutch too (Like the OKC game). Not sure what you're expectations are for him to "have an effect" in your eyes. Consider the fact that he's not currently playing in the role he was supposed to be in when he signed on.
6.Yeah.
What I thought was positive that no one's brought up is the chemistry between Lee and Terry. Those guys look like they know how to play together and will work well when they come off the bench. That's one issue solved because of Bradley's presence. Bradley doesn't solve everything but he does help make life easier on the D.