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Title: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: JSD on December 08, 2012, 01:54:32 AM
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Or keep it up... He is costing the Lakers games.
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: jdz101 on December 08, 2012, 01:56:56 AM
I would get so angry at him sometimes if I was a lakers fan.

18 seconds left on the shot clock....deep contested 3?? Sure.
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: lightspeed5 on December 08, 2012, 01:57:32 AM
hes trying to get to #1 on the scoring list, he doesnt care about winning anymore. he is retiring next season.
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: JSD on December 08, 2012, 02:02:45 AM
hes trying to get to #1 on the scoring list, he doesnt care about winning anymore. he is retiring next season.

Your two sentences contradict. No way he could wrap #1 by the end of next season.
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: lightspeed5 on December 08, 2012, 02:05:36 AM
hes trying to get to #1 on the scoring list, he doesnt care about winning anymore. he is retiring next season.

Your two sentences contradict. No way he could wrap #1 by the end of next season.
he wont be he thinks he will
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: JSD on December 09, 2012, 10:11:29 AM
hes trying to get to #1 on the scoring list, he doesnt care about winning anymore. he is retiring next season.

Your two sentences contradict. No way he could wrap #1 by the end of next season.
he wont be he thinks he will

Even he realizes he will not be able to score 8000 points in a season and a half.
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: mgent on December 09, 2012, 10:20:40 AM
Seeing what he's done the past 2 years it's kinda hard to not consider Kobe the worst "good" player ever.  Just no desire to win, and so scared to win because of somebody other than him.  We're so lucky to be Boston fans, KG would trade all of his 20,000, 10,000, 5000, 1500, 1500 honors and his MVP for another ring.
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on December 09, 2012, 10:26:49 AM
lol worst good player ever, so true. However i wouldn't say kobe doesn't wanna win. That's one thing i can't say. Hes playing the way hes always played.
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 09, 2012, 10:29:51 AM
Kobe will never quit , he is addicted to BB , and while more rings are possible for a few years , padding ones stats isn't out of the question.
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: apc on December 09, 2012, 10:34:14 AM
and Gasol should punch him in the face for criticizing him in public.
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: mgent on December 09, 2012, 10:35:46 AM
lol worst good player ever, so true. However i wouldn't say kobe doesn't wanna win. That's one thing i can't say. Hes playing the way hes always played.
That's the problem.  He's not even the best player on his team, why's he still acting like he's the best in the league?  If he TRULY wanted to win he would've adjusted like KG and Pierce did.  If he was still on the 06 Lakers his play might be excusable, but now he's got 2 players capable of bringing the team to the top of the conference and doesn't care.
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: moiso on December 09, 2012, 10:48:03 AM
lol worst good player ever, so true. However i wouldn't say kobe doesn't wanna win. That's one thing i can't say. Hes playing the way hes always played.
That's the problem.  He's not even the best player on his team, why's he still acting like he's the best in the league?  If he TRULY wanted to win he would've adjusted like KG and Pierce did.  If he was still on the 06 Lakers his play might be excusable, but now he's got 2 players capable of bringing the team to the top of the conference and doesn't care.
Even before this year I would cringe when I looked at the Lakers boxscores and Bynum and Gasol would have single digit shot attempts and Kobe took 28 shots.  And it's fairly predictable to guess the outcome of a Lakers game just by looking at the shot distribution.

He could let Nash make it so much easier for him, but I'm sure he won't let that happen.
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: bfrombleacher on December 09, 2012, 10:53:07 AM
and Gasol should punch him in the face for criticizing him in public.

I was gonna say this guy's about to drive away his second best-in-the-league big man.

Completely forgot about Gasol.

So three bigs who at some point have been the best in the league. He's about to drive away all of them.
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on December 09, 2012, 11:13:58 AM
I agree that kobe needs to stop shot jacking. I doubt he will tho. Maybe when nash comes back.
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: pearljammer10 on December 09, 2012, 11:27:12 AM
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Or keep it up... He is costing the Lakers games.

Wow, that is a crazy stat. My buddy and I were talking last night about how many shots he is taking this year. When Nash comes back I think things will change. They should anyway.
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: BballTim on December 09, 2012, 11:43:21 AM
and Gasol should punch him in the face for criticizing him in public.

I was gonna say this guy's about to drive away his second best-in-the-league big man.

Completely forgot about Gasol.

So three bigs who at some point have been the best in the league. He's about to drive away all of them.

   There was a point when Gasol was the best in the league? How many days did it last?
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: moiso on December 09, 2012, 11:55:13 AM
and Gasol should punch him in the face for criticizing him in public.

I was gonna say this guy's about to drive away his second best-in-the-league big man.

Completely forgot about Gasol.

So three bigs who at some point have been the best in the league. He's about to drive away all of them.

   There was a point when Gasol was the best in the league? How many days did it last?
A few years ago I thought Gasol was on the short list for best big man.
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: Boris Badenov on December 09, 2012, 11:56:11 AM
Simmons weighs in, coincidentally (or not).

Good article. Nice to see that Simmons can still bring it, every once in a while.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8724362/the-kobe-question
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: Edgar on December 09, 2012, 09:46:59 PM
Kobe will never quit , he is addicted to BB , and while more rings are possible for a few years , padding ones stats isn't out of the question.

yup
he will juggernaut there as the best 6th man ever copy and paste this...he will fight his own fight for that
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: Edgar on December 09, 2012, 09:48:26 PM
Kobe will never quit , he is addicted to BB , and while more rings are possible for a few years , padding ones stats isn't out of the question.

yup
he will juggernaut there as the best 6th man ever copy and paste this...he will fight his own fight for that
and just be4 people attach this statement its NOT a this year fact is a long term one and I am NOT a kobe fan at all i really dont like him
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: chambers on December 09, 2012, 10:20:28 PM
The OKC game last night was just terrible.
4th quarter they were down by 10-15 points and he would just dribble up, take on 3 guys and jack it up over and over and over. So sad.
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: Kane3387 on December 10, 2012, 12:44:58 AM
Good. I hope Dwight walks.
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: CelticSooner on December 10, 2012, 01:24:24 AM
I read that Kobe wants to play until he's 40 now. If that is the case the Lakers need to let him walk after his ridiculous contracts expires.
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: PhoSita on December 10, 2012, 08:19:47 AM
Kobe give up the rock?  Might as well ask a mosquito to give up sucking blood.
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: slamtheking on December 10, 2012, 09:10:40 AM
it'd be easier to stop the tide
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: Fafnir on December 10, 2012, 09:22:08 AM
Allen Iverson is offended that no one's thought of him for "worst good player due to shoot happiness".

That chart is silly though, Kobe's been very good this year so far. He's been running the pick and roll along with pretty much the entire offense since Blake/Nash have both been out. So when things have gone well for the Lakers he hasn't shot much (for him). He's relatively content to run the point essentially. His shot attempts are down from last year because of this.

But when the team has been in close games though, then Kobe has reverted back to what he knows and starts shooting a ton. Overall he's cut back his isolations and long two point shots, so he's been far more efficient than he has in the past. His turnovers have been very bad some games, but again he's being asked to run the P&R too much.

I'm sure he's shot them out of some games as I haven't watched them all, but given their utter lack of talent beyond him in the backcourt its tough for the Lakers.
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: Snakehead on December 10, 2012, 09:46:09 AM
Wow the OP is hilarious.

Best part about the Celtics season so far is that when the Celtics struggle I can look at the Lakers and have a good laugh.
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: MBunge on December 10, 2012, 12:24:31 PM
I've always said that the difference between Jordan and Kobe is that Jordan wanted to win and from that winning, came greatness.  Kobe wants to be great and so he's always worried about something other than just winning.  That's why, as bad as Jordan could be to get along with, his teammates always responded to him because at least they could all have winning in common.  Kobe's teammates, however, know that he barely even regards them as people.  They're just tools that exist to further his greatness.

Mike
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 10, 2012, 12:43:01 PM
When I'm feeling bummed about a Celtics loss....I visit the Lakers forums for a read.  Wow ... the Lakers fan are far more critical on the whole than Celtics. We are practically loving and forgiving compared to LA fans.  ;D

ANyone down on the C's read a few Lakers threads, its really funny stuff.  All those Hall of Fame players, and superstars and still they are not satisfied.

They hate every would be Lakers  coach except old wierdo Phil, their idol.  Only Phil can lead them to the promised land.  ;D  They want Kobe to score 40 points a game and play Bradley lockdown defense EVERY GAME.   You would think Gasol is worse than our COllins , that he is total trash and would trade him for anybody just to get him off the team.

LA fans and CLipper fans on the same threads having at it....just really funny stuff.

I watched Utah pound LA last night , guys calling the game , made me sick they were so LA biased...I just turned the sound off and enjoyed the whipping....and watching Jack Nickelson look like he was tripping on acid. 

Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: JSD on December 10, 2012, 12:48:19 PM
When I'm feeling bummed about a Celtics loss....I visit the Lakers forums for a read.  Wow ... the Lakers fan are far more critical on the whole than Celtics. We are practically loving and forgiving compared to LA fans.  ;D

ANyone down on the C's read a few Lakers threads, its really funny stuff.  All those Hall of Fame players, and superstars and still they are not satisfied.

They hate every would be Lakers  coach except old wierdo Phil, their idol.  Only Phil can lead them to the promised land.  ;D  They want Kobe to score 40 points a game and play Bradley lockdown defense EVERY GAME.   You would think Gasol is worse than our COllins , that he is total trash and would trade him for anybody just to get him off the team.

LA fans and CLipper fans on the same threads having at it....just really funny stuff.

I watched Utah pound LA last night , guys calling the game , made me sick they were so LA biased...I just turned the sound off and enjoyed the whipping....and watching Jack Nickelson look like he was tripping on acid.

Link us up
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: RMO on December 10, 2012, 12:54:41 PM
When I'm feeling bummed about a Celtics loss....I visit the Lakers forums for a read.  Wow ... the Lakers fan are far more critical on the whole than Celtics. We are practically loving and forgiving compared to LA fans.  ;D

ANyone down on the C's read a few Lakers threads, its really funny stuff.  All those Hall of Fame players, and superstars and still they are not satisfied.

They hate every would be Lakers  coach except old wierdo Phil, their idol.  Only Phil can lead them to the promised land.  ;D  They want Kobe to score 40 points a game and play Bradley lockdown defense EVERY GAME.   You would think Gasol is worse than our COllins , that he is total trash and would trade him for anybody just to get him off the team.

LA fans and CLipper fans on the same threads having at it....just really funny stuff.

I watched Utah pound LA last night , guys calling the game , made me sick they were so LA biased...I just turned the sound off and enjoyed the whipping....and watching Jack Nickelson look like he was tripping on acid.

When things don't get better they'll start talking about how they need to get lebron when he's a free agent.  Of course that will come after they get exhausted talking about trading gasol for him.
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: Snakehead on December 10, 2012, 04:19:41 PM
I've always said that the difference between Jordan and Kobe is that Jordan wanted to win and from that winning, came greatness.  Kobe wants to be great and so he's always worried about something other than just winning.  That's why, as bad as Jordan could be to get along with, his teammates always responded to him because at least they could all have winning in common.  Kobe's teammates, however, know that he barely even regards them as people.  They're just tools that exist to further his greatness.

Mike

Well put.  For Kobe, championships are not about team or franchise but another personal number.

He is very talented but if you were giving me the chance to pick any player in NBA history to start a franchise he'd be pretty far down my list, despite the numbers, rings, etc.
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: Boris Badenov on December 10, 2012, 05:15:58 PM
I've always said that the difference between Jordan and Kobe is that Jordan wanted to win and from that winning, came greatness.  Kobe wants to be great and so he's always worried about something other than just winning.  That's why, as bad as Jordan could be to get along with, his teammates always responded to him because at least they could all have winning in common.  Kobe's teammates, however, know that he barely even regards them as people.  They're just tools that exist to further his greatness.

Mike

I think it's even simpler. Jordan wanted to win. Kobe wanted to be Jordan. It's like he watched one of those "Be like Mike" commercials when he was 4 and took it just a little too literally.
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: Chelm on December 10, 2012, 08:43:12 PM
I've always said that the difference between Jordan and Kobe is that Jordan wanted to win and from that winning, came greatness.  Kobe wants to be great and so he's always worried about something other than just winning.  That's why, as bad as Jordan could be to get along with, his teammates always responded to him because at least they could all have winning in common.  Kobe's teammates, however, know that he barely even regards them as people.  They're just tools that exist to further his greatness.

Mike

I think it's even simpler. Jordan wanted to win. Kobe wanted to be Jordan. It's like he watched one of those "Be like Mike" commercials when he was 4 and took it just a little too literally.
To be fair... who better to emulate?
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: Mazingerz on December 10, 2012, 08:50:40 PM
Bird or Magic would have been better
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: Chelm on December 10, 2012, 08:52:36 PM
Bird or Magic would have been better
Do you have Bird or Magic atop Jordan on your "best player ever" list?
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 10, 2012, 10:36:01 PM
When I'm feeling bummed about a Celtics loss....I visit the Lakers forums for a read.  Wow ... the Lakers fan are far more critical on the whole than Celtics. We are practically loving and forgiving compared to LA fans.  ;D

ANyone down on the C's read a few Lakers threads, its really funny stuff.  All those Hall of Fame players, and superstars and still they are not satisfied.

They hate every would be Lakers  coach except old wierdo Phil, their idol.  Only Phil can lead them to the promised land.  ;D  They want Kobe to score 40 points a game and play Bradley lockdown defense EVERY GAME.   You would think Gasol is worse than our COllins , that he is total trash and would trade him for anybody just to get him off the team.

LA fans and CLipper fans on the same threads having at it....just really funny stuff.

I watched Utah pound LA last night , guys calling the game , made me sick they were so LA biased...I just turned the sound off and enjoyed the whipping....and watching Jack Nickelson look like he was tripping on acid.

When things don't get better they'll start talking about how they need to get lebron when he's a free agent.  Of course that will come after they get exhausted talking about trading gasol for him.

one of the "HOT" topics is will Kobe and Howard ultimately will get along on the court.  Howard has told Kobe to step up and play some defense.  Kobe doesn't like being told he is wrong.  PERIOD.  unless its his Uncle Stange Jackson.

So not only are the LA fans in a panick mode to win it all this year, they are terriifed that Howard might get sick of all the crap (like Pau) puts up with and bolt for another team.

Kobe don't want to play no defense .  Howard doesn't appreciate his game of ballhog.   We all knew this going in.

 
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: CelticHooligan3 on December 10, 2012, 11:32:57 PM
The thread title alone earns a Tommy point from me.
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: jdz101 on December 11, 2012, 12:48:56 AM

I watched Utah pound LA last night , guys calling the game , made me sick they were so LA biased...I just turned the sound off and enjoyed the whipping....and watching Jack Nickelson look like he was tripping on acid.

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Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: WeMadeIt17 on December 11, 2012, 01:16:34 AM
Haha this would be Kobe's response lol



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2Po1bisaZw
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: Mazingerz on December 11, 2012, 02:53:45 AM
Bird or Magic would have been better
Do you have Bird or Magic atop Jordan on your "best player ever" list?

No, I do have Greg Kite on top.  ;D
Title: Re: Time to give up the rock, Kobe.
Post by: Galeto on December 11, 2012, 03:01:38 AM
I don't know why Kobe and Howard don't play more pick and rolls.  Howard has been one of the best pick and roll finishers the last how many years and Kobe is an excellent passer off picks.  When Nash returns I expect him and Howard to run a lot of pick and rolls but in the meantime, why can't Kobe and Howard run them?  Not that I'm complaining.  I would rather not see them run them.  Millsap had a good line about the Lakers doing it to themselves because their lack of ball movement made it easy on them defensively.  The Lakers were ridiculously hot from three and put a lot of points but I guess the point still stands.

Early on in the year Kobe was balancing passing and scoring better than I ever seen him do.  It made my dislike for him grow more because the man should not be getting better after so many years in the league.  To me it looked like he was doing a very good Lebron impression, even notching a triple double in the process.  Kobe's always been an excellent passer but his notion of getting his teammates involved has tended to be, pass a lot in the fourth quarter and then jack up 20 plus shots the remaining three quarters.  Kind of a lip service attempt at involving his teammates. 

After his triple double, he just started turning the ball over a ton and assists weren't coming as easily also, for whatever reason.  He now seems to be playing the way he used now and not like Lebron.  My dislike has returned to its former level.