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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: cman88 on December 07, 2012, 10:28:02 PM
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after a rough start to the season, Green has quietly put together a consistent stretch of play the last 2 weeks, ever since rondo got suspended actually...he's looking for his shot, rebounding better and defending better IMO
his last 4 games
19points
8points
18points
19points
hopefully this is the start of what we will see going forward from Green because we are going to need it, and it puts more into focus why Ainge spent the money on him that he did
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Maybe... I don't wanna get my hopes up though. Everytime I do with this guy, he puts up a dud. So I'm just gonna wait it out.
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need to see more from green than 5 ok games. Blatche is making much less and doing much more. hes avg 19/11 over the last 5 games and yet we were wondering whether or not even to give him a minimum contract this season would much rather have him on the celtics right now than green.
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need to see more from green than 5 ok games. Blatche is making much less and doing much more. hes avg 19/11 over the last 5 games and yet we were wondering whether or not even to give him a minimum contract this season would much rather have him on the celtics right now than green.
i wouldnt slight Green while sayin dat cuz we needed a backup for Pierce. If u said u would rather have Blatche then Collins or Darko i'd cosign dis statement to da max Dray was always talented good to see him finally puttin it together
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I think greens game tonight was more than just "ok" the scoring was nice, but he also has been rebounding better and played well in the closing lineup
we'll have to see if he can keep doing this going forward but you have to be encouraged by his play lately. he seems to be settling into his role
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need to see more from green than 5 ok games. Blatche is making much less and doing much more. hes avg 19/11 over the last 5 games and yet we were wondering whether or not even to give him a minimum contract this season would much rather have him on the celtics right now than green.
I would trade Bass for Blatche right now. So we can have Blatche and Green on the Celtics
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I think greens game tonight was more than just "ok" the scoring was nice, but he also has been rebounding better and played well in the closing lineup
we'll have to see if he can keep doing this going forward but you have to be encouraged by his play lately. he seems to be settling into his role
Yeah. He's finally doing the jack of all trades thing they've been pegging him with.
CLee is coming around too. He's a shooters and shooters go into slumps. It's not like a certain someone hasn't gone into slumps before with us and we stuck with that guy.
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I think greens game tonight was more than just "ok" the scoring was nice, but he also has been rebounding better and played well in the closing lineup
we'll have to see if he can keep doing this going forward but you have to be encouraged by his play lately. he seems to be settling into his role
Yeah. He's finally doing the jack of all trades thing they've been pegging him with.
CLee is coming around too. He's a shooters and shooters go into slumps. It's not like a certain someone hasn't gone into slumps before with us and we stuck with that guy.
his defense has been solid...not sold on his offense yet...I have a feeling if Bradley comes back healthy Lee is going to lose playing time
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I bet green could average what pierce is averaging if he shot as many shots and played as many mins.
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still not enough good performances to proclaim he's getting it but there's at least reason for optimism
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Maybe... I don't wanna get my hopes up though. Everytime I do with this guy, he puts up a dud. So I'm just gonna wait it out.
HA!!! I know the feeling...everytime I cheer him , he has a huge letdown. I willsay I'll take his offensive effort tonight anytime. He has work to do on "D" and his jumper .
I would like to see what he could do taking the starting job for game and seeing how he reacts. ???
Up to Doc to SEE WHAT GREEN can give as a starter?
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I think greens game tonight was more than just "ok" the scoring was nice, but he also has been rebounding better and played well in the closing lineup
we'll have to see if he can keep doing this going forward but you have to be encouraged by his play lately. he seems to be settling into his role
Yeah. He's finally doing the jack of all trades thing they've been pegging him with.
CLee is coming around too. He's a shooters and shooters go into slumps. It's not like a certain someone hasn't gone into slumps before with us and we stuck with that guy.
his defense has been solid...not sold on his offense yet...I have a feeling if Bradley comes back healthy Lee is going to lose playing time
Barbosa is.
Lee has been playing well.
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I bet green could average what pierce is averaging if he shot as many shots and played as many mins.
An interesting theory.
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I keep tellin ya'll about James Worthy!
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I keep tellin ya'll about James Worthy!
I can never tell if these comparisons are jokes, but Green doesn't even remotely resemble James Worthy to me.
He has looked good lately, though.
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I bet green could average what pierce is averaging if he shot as many shots and played as many mins.
Probably not. Pierce still gets to the line more and, going into this game, took more three's while making them at a higher percentage.
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A really good handful of games from Jeff. He is going to need to take more of the load off pierce as the season goes on.
Played 30 minutes tonight. Hopefully he is getting close to his peak physical ability.
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After today's game:
Green: 15-33 (46%)
Pierce: 32-90 (36%)
Pierce has taken more yes, but he's also playing significantly more minutes and has a much higher usage rate (29% vs 22%)
Even if you adjusted for all that Pierce would still be a higher volume three point shooter, but it doesn't necessarilly mean he's been a BETTER three point shooter.
Green has been killing it from the corner.
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I keep tellin ya'll about James Worthy!
I can never tell if these comparisons are jokes, but Green doesn't even remotely resemble James Worthy to me.
He has looked good lately, though.
James Worthy Green is not, but that's lofty company. Green's certainly been a lot better and strung together about four good games in a row after not putting back to back good games together before then.
I still don't know what to make of Green. I'm glad he's nailing the corner 3 and I was ecstatic to see him grab an offensive board and put it back in against Philly. He's defending better and he doesn't lack the physicality to get to the line, which I like a lot. But why can he not take advantage of Hawes guarding him? He executed a gorgeous swooping finger roll against Hawes once but the other times he had difficulty getting by him and resorted to taking long jumpers that clanked. There is no way a slowfooted guy like Hawes should be able to defend Green on the perimeter. Green should be able to blow by him. He's just not all that quick.
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After today's game:
Green: 15-33 (46%)
Pierce: 32-90 (36%)
Pierce has taken more yes, but he's also playing significantly more minutes and has a much higher usage rate (29% vs 22%)
Even if you adjusted for all that Pierce would still be a higher volume three point shooter, but it doesn't necessarilly mean he's been a BETTER three point shooter.
Green has been killing it from the corner.
Bradley hits that corner three, as well, but that doesn't necessarily make him as good as a scorer as Terry or Ray.
You have got to consider the shots they are taking before making a judgement. A future hall of famer will never get as many open looks as Green gets, that's for sure. When the defenders respect your shot, you are contested more often than not and end up missing quite a few.
Saying Green is as good as a shooter as captain is a bit like saying Rondo is the best shooting amongst the guards because he's often left wide open.
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I think he's still backing out of the driveway. ;)
He'll have to show improvement on a consistent basis to prove himself worthy of extra minutes.
A lot of good signs there, though.
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Nothing has changed my opinion of Jeff Green. He's a starting SF in this league. He's very good. He's the 4th best player on this team behind KG, Pierce and Rondo. In Oklahoma he was forced to play out of position, because of Durant. In Boston, he's forced to come off the bench, because of Pierce. It's not an idea situation at all. The sooner we make a trade the better. I'm still in favor of starting Pierce at SG, starting Jeff at his natural position and making a big push (using some of our mediocre SG/PF assets) to land another starting big (gortat, Pau, Big Al, Josh Smith... whoever)
Unfortunately, because Jeff's role isn't very well defined and he's not getting the consistent minutes he deserves... people have the wrong impression of what he's capable of. When a guy gets 16 spot minutes off the bench... what exactly do you expect him to do? Most players under significant pressure to perform would struggle adjusting to a new team when they are getting 16 sporadic minutes off the bench.
What we've always known about Jeff is that he's more than capable of scoring 15-17 points a night and pulling down 6-7 boards a night. He did that while he was the 3rd option next to two MAJOR scorers. His percentages were 45% FG, 35% from three and 77% from the line. In rare games where Durant sat, Jeff consistently stepped up and scored 20-25.
What about this season has changed my impression of him? Nothing. Take a look at his stats this season:
22 minutes, 9.4 points, 3.1 rebounds 44% FG, 36% from three and 78% from the line. Project those minutes to the 37 he SHOULD be playing as a starter... and you got a guy who is averaging 16 points and 5 boards... In other words, he's the same consistent player he's always been... just getting less minutes and a smaller role.
For people who are down on Jeff... what exactly are you expecting? Do you somehow think he should be doing more than he did in Oklahoma in spite of playing 15 less minutes a night and having less of a role? Cut him some slack... he's been solid.
We're paying Jeff like a starter. He's more than capable of being a starter. He'll eventually be a starter. I'm not reading too much into anyone's performances until after the trade deadline when our roster shakes out.
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While I'm ranting... I don't get why people are down on Courtney Lee either. The dude is only getting 5 shots a night. What exactly is someone supposed to do when he's getting 5 shots a night? He's shooting 46% and is (until Bradley comes back at least) our best defensive guard. A lot of that comes down to role. Terry and Barbosa are both shooting very well. We have too many interchangeable mediocre guards on this team. Can't wait until we can start making moves.
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green is impressing me. that corner 3 when he hits it is money.
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While I'm ranting... I don't get why people are down on Courtney Lee either. The dude is only getting 5 shots a night. What exactly is someone supposed to do when he's getting 5 shots a night? He's shooting 46% and is (until Bradley comes back at least) our best defensive guard. A lot of that comes down to role. Terry and Barbosa are both shooting very well. We have too many interchangeable mediocre guards on this team. Can't wait until we can start making moves.
I dont consider Terry to be mediocre and Barbosa is amazing value considering he's here on the minimum. Barbosa doesn't really add many dollars in a trade either so you lose more than you gain trading him in my opinion. Bradley is also great value on a rookie contract and a heck of a prospect. Very reluctant to trade him.
That leaves Lee.
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As I have been saying all along - give Green minutes and especially minutes with Rondo/Pierce/KG and he will produce. He has to play much more than Lee and Bass.
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Green should play no less than 30 minutes a game. Keep this guy on the court!
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Green should play no less than 30 minutes a game. Keep this guy on the court!
I liked green in the closing unit alot better than bass...he provides more floor spacing for kg/rondo/pierce and has more offensive moves...if he can continue to hit the glass like he did last night, and has the stamina to play 30+minutes I see him getting more playing time with that unit.
offense: Rondo/terry/pierce/Green/KG
defense: Rondo/Bradley/Pierce/Green/KG
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another solid game for green..
16points on 7-12 shooting....he looks alot more comfortable out there offensively.
also nice to see him getting on the same page with Rondo for alley oops/dunks...
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lets face it. OKC got fleeced.
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lets face it. OKC got fleeced.
And yet, they are perfectly happy with how it turned out.
I hope Green keeps up this play level for the rest of the season and into the playoffs.
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lets face it. OKC got fleeced.
And yet, they are perfectly happy with how it turned out.
I hope Green keeps up this play level for the rest of the season and into the playoffs.
Only a matter of time before perkins goes to the bench and collison gets the nod.
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lets face it. OKC got fleeced.
And yet, they are perfectly happy with how it turned out.
I hope Green keeps up this play level for the rest of the season and into the playoffs.
Only a matter of time before perkins goes to the bench and collison gets the nod.
Just like it was only a matter of time before the amnesty Perk so they could resign Harden?
Or maybe they will just keep playing the way they have since they made that trade and have had great team success.
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Green is looking to be playing at the level that we have seen in the past with the Thunder. The Celtics need and will be better off if he continues to play at that level.
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While I'm ranting... I don't get why people are down on Courtney Lee either. The dude is only getting 5 shots a night. What exactly is someone supposed to do when he's getting 5 shots a night? He's shooting 46% and is (until Bradley comes back at least) our best defensive guard. A lot of that comes down to role. Terry and Barbosa are both shooting very well. We have too many interchangeable mediocre guards on this team. Can't wait until we can start making moves.
I think you might end up being disappointed again. Danny's not going to make a move just for the sake of it, and if this team starts to hit a groove soon, there's a good chance this will be the team we see headed into the playoffs.
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lets face it. OKC got fleeced.
And yet, they are perfectly happy with how it turned out.
I hope Green keeps up this play level for the rest of the season and into the playoffs.
Only a matter of time before perkins goes to the bench and collison gets the nod.
Just like it was only a matter of time before the amnesty Perk so they could resign Harden?
Or maybe they will just keep playing the way they have since they made that trade and have had great team success.
I don't think the Harden/Perkins saga is over.
It's likely they'll move him soon by using Jeremy Lamb or Perry Jones+ that Raptors pick.
They are solid at every position except Perkins spot now that Martin is filling that scoring role off the bench.
Only other potential outcome is that they keep the Raptors pick and draft a big man to replace Perkins.
Problem is that moulding a draftee into a solid defensive stopper in the NBA takes years and the Thunder want to win now as their two superstars enter their prime.
Giving up that lottery pick and Jeremy Lamb+ Perk will almost certainly get them a better player- even if they have to throw Jones or Collison or Reggie Jackson in to get someone like Verajao.
The other side to this Green vs Perk argument is that we need a full season from Green to see who really 'won' this trade. He's having a solid stretch but he's been guarded by bums.
I read people saying he's a starting caliber SF in this league but he struggles against starting caliber SF defenders and has so far been good against poor to- mediocre bench defenders.
If he were a starting caliber SF he wouldn't be getting wide open corner threes or matching up against scrubs like Spencer Hawes for 20 minutes a game.
Jeff's getting there but he needs to prove it in a long playoff stretch against the second units of the NBA before we start calling him a starting caliber SF.
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Green is looking to be playing at the level that we have seen in the past with the Thunder. The Celtics need and will be better off if he continues to play at that level.
Wait isn't he a sub 50% FG% player on the Thunder?
He's incredibly efficient in the past few games.
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lets face it. OKC got fleeced.
And yet, they are perfectly happy with how it turned out.
I hope Green keeps up this play level for the rest of the season and into the playoffs.
Only a matter of time before perkins goes to the bench and collison gets the nod.
Just like it was only a matter of time before the amnesty Perk so they could resign Harden?
Or maybe they will just keep playing the way they have since they made that trade and have had great team success.
I don't think the Harden/Perkins saga is over.
It's likely they'll move him soon by using Jeremy Lamb or Perry Jones+ that Raptors pick.
They are solid at every position except Perkins spot now that Martin is filling that scoring role off the bench.
Only other potential outcome is that they keep the Raptors pick and draft a big man to replace Perkins.
Problem is that moulding a draftee into a solid defensive stopper in the NBA takes years and the Thunder want to win now as their two superstars enter their prime.
Giving up that lottery pick and Jeremy Lamb+ Perk will almost certainly get them a better player- even if they have to throw Jones or Collison or Reggie Jackson in to get someone like Verajao.
The other side to this Green vs Perk argument is that we need a full season from Green to see who really 'won' this trade. He's having a solid stretch but he's been guarded by bums.
I read people saying he's a starting caliber SF in this league but he struggles against starting caliber SF defenders and has so far been good against poor to- mediocre bench defenders.
If he were a starting caliber SF he wouldn't be getting wide open corner threes or matching up against scrubs like Spencer Hawes for 20 minutes a game.
Jeff's getting there but he needs to prove it in a long playoff stretch against the second units of the NBA before we start calling him a starting caliber SF.
Love it.
Every move, action and comment from the Thunder say they are completely happy with Perk and fans still think they are bidding their time to get rid of him.
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Green is looking to be playing at the level that we have seen in the past with the Thunder. The Celtics need and will be better off if he continues to play at that level.
Wait isn't he a sub 50% FG% player on the Thunder?
He's incredibly efficient in the past few games.
In fewer minutes.
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lets face it. OKC got fleeced.
And yet, they are perfectly happy with how it turned out.
I hope Green keeps up this play level for the rest of the season and into the playoffs.
Only a matter of time before perkins goes to the bench and collison gets the nod.
Just like it was only a matter of time before the amnesty Perk so they could resign Harden?
Or maybe they will just keep playing the way they have since they made that trade and have had great team success.
How much of a contribution perkins has to that team success is debatable at best.
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lets face it. OKC got fleeced.
And yet, they are perfectly happy with how it turned out.
I hope Green keeps up this play level for the rest of the season and into the playoffs.
Only a matter of time before perkins goes to the bench and collison gets the nod.
Just like it was only a matter of time before the amnesty Perk so they could resign Harden?
Or maybe they will just keep playing the way they have since they made that trade and have had great team success.
How much of a contribution perkins has to that team success is debatable at best.
Can you debate what the Thunder think by their actions and comments?
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Jeff Green has played well in 3-4 straight games. Its not the first time he has ever done that.
But let's take a chill pill. If Green has proven anything over his 5 years in the league its that he is extremely capable of disappearing for 2-4 games after playing a handful of good games in a row.
Actually, he is famous for that.
Green's role on this team will be that of 6th man until Pierce retires. Let's let him get used to that and let him perform admirably in that role for a long consistent stretch before saying that he has turned a corner in either this season or in his career.
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been awesome watching green play over the last week. If he keeps it up will defs be in 6th man of the year race (crawford is clearly the leader atm)
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lets face it. OKC got fleeced.
And yet, they are perfectly happy with how it turned out.
I hope Green keeps up this play level for the rest of the season and into the playoffs.
Only a matter of time before perkins goes to the bench and collison gets the nod.
Just like it was only a matter of time before the amnesty Perk so they could resign Harden?
Or maybe they will just keep playing the way they have since they made that trade and have had great team success.
How much of a contribution perkins has to that team success is debatable at best.
Can you debate what the Thunder think by their actions and comments?
Their actions?
They're a middle of the road defensive team. (the only reason perkins is there)
Ibaka is the best shot blocker in the league.
Perkins is 4th out of 5 in the thunder's starting lineup for defensive rating.
(extremely rare for a supposed "defensive specialist center")
[if you look up defensive ratings, defensive bigs that are actually good at their craft are generally up at the top, not the case with perkins.]
They're a dynamite offensive team. (perkins contributes nothing to this)
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lets face it. OKC got fleeced.
And yet, they are perfectly happy with how it turned out.
I hope Green keeps up this play level for the rest of the season and into the playoffs.
Only a matter of time before perkins goes to the bench and collison gets the nod.
Just like it was only a matter of time before the amnesty Perk so they could resign Harden?
Or maybe they will just keep playing the way they have since they made that trade and have had great team success.
How much of a contribution perkins has to that team success is debatable at best.
Can you debate what the Thunder think by their actions and comments?
Their actions?
They're a middle of the road defensive team. (the only reason perkins is there)
Perkins is 4th out of 5 in the thunder's starting lineup for defensive rating.
(extremely rare for a supposed "defensive specialist center")
[if you look up defensive ratings, defensive bigs that are actually good at their craft are generally up at the top, not the case with perkins.]
They're a dynamite offensive team. (perkins contributes nothing to this)
Again, their actions.
Have they tried to replace or upgrade him? No
Have they tried to trade him? No.
Have they complained about him? No.
Have they amnesty him to keep Harden? No.
Have they benched him? No.
Have they praised his leadership? Yes.
Have they played better since he got there? Yes.
Again, show me an action or comment that says they are unhappy with Perk or the trade.
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lets face it. OKC got fleeced.
And yet, they are perfectly happy with how it turned out.
I hope Green keeps up this play level for the rest of the season and into the playoffs.
Only a matter of time before perkins goes to the bench and collison gets the nod.
Just like it was only a matter of time before the amnesty Perk so they could resign Harden?
Or maybe they will just keep playing the way they have since they made that trade and have had great team success.
How much of a contribution perkins has to that team success is debatable at best.
Can you debate what the Thunder think by their actions and comments?
Their actions?
They're a middle of the road defensive team. (the only reason perkins is there)
Perkins is 4th out of 5 in the thunder's starting lineup for defensive rating.
(extremely rare for a supposed "defensive specialist center")
[if you look up defensive ratings, defensive bigs that are actually good at their craft are generally up at the top, not the case with perkins.]
They're a dynamite offensive team. (perkins contributes nothing to this)
Again, their actions.
Have they tried to replace or upgrade him? No
Have they tried to trade him? No.
Have they complained about him? No.
Have they amnesty him to keep Harden? No.
Have they benched him? No.
Have they praised his leadership? Yes.
Have they played better since he got there? Yes.
Again, show me an action or comment that says they are unhappy with Perk or the trade.
Have they tried to replace or upgrade him? No (You dont know that)
Have they tried to trade him? No. (Nor do you know this)
Have they complained about him? No. (Not to reporters, this rarely happens with any player)
Have they amnesty him to keep Harden? No. (A lot of people with good basketball minds have said they should have.)
Have they benched him? No. (Only a matter of time.)
Have they praised his leadership? Yes. (Words are pretty cheap when you are backed up by two superstars. Take durant and westbrook away and those words mean very little when you're wallowing in the lottery.)
Have they played better since he got there? Yes. (Give me a statistical reason for Perkins' contribution to this, since you're obviously implying that Perkins is the cause for the better record.)
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Jeff can't play great in every game . If he just puts the effort in , the results will come.
I think DOc and the team have finally got though to him.
Bass -SULLY-and Green continue to step up for the Celtics ...this team will be tuff as nails by the time Bradley joins the fray.
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jeff green is awesome.
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Jeff can't play great in every game . If he just puts the effort in , the results will come.
I think DOc and the team have finally got though to him.
Bass -SULLY-and Green continue to step up for the Celtics ...this team will be tuff as nails by the time Bradley joins the fray.
I love the optimism. I can't wait for Bradley to come back as well!!!
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I'd say so...just had to have patience with him.
People who've had heart surgery don't often hit the ground running.
And take THAT Simmons, lol ;D - looks like your whipping boy IS worth that 40 mil.
Just wait till Doc turns him lose in a starting role...that will be soon. I'm sure the Captain will need some rest soon. The way Jeff Green has played lately, I wouldn't hesitate to start him vs ANYONE in the league, now.
I'm happy for him and BOS. We need that scoring punch and atleticism off the bench, and he's providing that for us.
Just another weapon to throw at MIA.
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lets face it. OKC got fleeced.
And yet, they are perfectly happy with how it turned out.
I hope Green keeps up this play level for the rest of the season and into the playoffs.
Only a matter of time before perkins goes to the bench and collison gets the nod.
Just like it was only a matter of time before the amnesty Perk so they could resign Harden?
Or maybe they will just keep playing the way they have since they made that trade and have had great team success.
How much of a contribution perkins has to that team success is debatable at best.
Can you debate what the Thunder think by their actions and comments?
We don't know what the Thunder are thinking.
We do know that Perkins was one of the biggest factors for them losing to the Heat. He just had no place on the court. I mean his defense on Tim Duncan was poor in the Spurs series, they still made it through. He had terrible statistics and they're still paying him 9 million.
They had to bench him after 5 minutes each finals game because the Heat repeatedly targeted the big fella.
You don't need to know what the Thunder are thinking to realize they would be a better team if they upgraded at Perkins position.
He's just useless AND he's being paid 9 million per year.
They got the NBA finals with him in the starting center spot-and got buried by the Heat and he had a lot to do with that.
I will say that the Heat were a terrible team for Perk to match up against because he couldn't guard anyone on the Heat's small ball line up.
I'll also reiterate that Jeff Green still hasn't proven anything. He's played 4 or 5 good games against some garbage defenders and he's steadily improving but we need a lot more from him. He'll be tested against some decent competition and he's got 75% of the season left to prove himself.
Bottom line is that there is no true winner of this trade until Green plays like this for the rest of the season and playoffs- the heart surgery has set the 'verdict' of this trade back about a year.
Perk has been underwhelming in OKC, but they did make the finals. We've had Jeff Green for 20 games and he's been underwhelming up until the last 5 games.
The jury is still out on this one.
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Good game last night, let's hope so, we need him dare I say...
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the late but much appreciated arrival Jeff's confidence and the teams confidence in him, cleaning out for him to showcase his talents is what the whole Celtic nation has been waiting to see.
He showed signs of life here and there , but these past 5 games has been a big turnaround for him.
Green ,Sully, Wilcox and Bass have to step up no matter who is in there if this team is going anywhere.
fingers crossed :)
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is it possible to have a thread about jeff green not turn into an analysis of perk? seriously...this is so 2010. jeff's been playing great the past bunch of games, and i think he's finally gotten comfortable with his role = attacking when he's in. if true, that is absolutely awesome. he has the physical and mental attributes to be a really good player, but has always tried to blend in wherever he has played.
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is it possible to have a thread about jeff green not turn into an analysis of perk? seriously...this is so 2010. jeff's been playing great the past bunch of games, and i think he's finally gotten comfortable with his role = attacking when he's in. if true, that is absolutely awesome. he has the physical and mental attributes to be a really good player, but has always tried to blend in wherever he has played.
my bad.
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Maybe... I don't wanna get my hopes up though. Everytime I do with this guy, he puts up a dud. So I'm just gonna wait it out.
0 rebounds how's that? I could have stole one after 7 decades of life. He has potential but is that the West Coast type?
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Yeah, I think he is, he will show more constant flashes throughout the season.
And about that idea of PP starting at SG, I'm not buying it because it will create a further gridlock at the 2, even greater when Bradley comes back.