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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: rocknrollforyoursoul on December 07, 2012, 10:00:35 PM
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Nice work down the stretch, guys.
Pierce misses an open layup that would've given Boston a 3-point lead.
Lee airballs a 3.
Rondo slips. How many times do guys SLIP?!? Only with the Celtics.
Of course, Evan Turner has his season high against us.
Pierce finishes 1 for 8 on threes.
Jet plays the worse game of his Celtic career.
Way to blow another golden opportunity.
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Green played well. He is coming on it seems. I've seen enough of lee. You do not shoot an air ball for the game winning shot. package him with sully and melo /picks for gortat.
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Green played well. He is coming on it seems. I've seen enough of lee. You do not shoot an air ball for the game winning shot. package him with sully and melo /picks for gortat.
NOthing about this season has changed my opinion of Jeff Green... he's our 4th best player. He's a starting SF and he needs a bigger role. I'm in favor of starting him at SF and moving Pierce to starting SG... then trading a combo of average bigs/average guards for a legit big man to put next to KG.
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What a bad and frustrating way to lose, however I like a lot of what I saw tonight
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Green played well. He is coming on it seems. I've seen enough of lee. You do not shoot an air ball for the game winning shot. package him with sully and melo /picks for gortat.
NOthing about this season has changed my opinion of Jeff Green... he's our 4th best player. He's a starting SF and he needs a bigger role. I'm in favor of starting him at SF and moving Pierce to starting SG... then trading a combo of average bigs/average guards for a legit big man to put next to KG.
sounds good to me! ;D
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Green finally came though in the role I envisioned for him during the season...one of the guys out there at the end of the game in a posey sort of role
19points and 8rebounds
the rebounds are what is important to me, because if he CAN rebound like that he will have no problem playing in the end game unit.
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Indeed, a good game from Green, and from Rondo and KG.
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I just want them to trade Brandon Bass.
I just want them to quit being sloppy with the ball, which is the reason they lose many of these games. 20-plus turnovers is not going to create many wins.
I just want them to get another big guy who can play.
I just want Jared Sullinger to be in the starting lineup. His defense cannot be much worse than that of Bass, and he gives them so much more in every other phase of the game.
I want to say that Jeff Green might finally be getting it and I have to praise his play over the last two-plus weeks.
I am so tired of this being a mediocre team that has really only beaten a couple of teams with a pulse this year.
I cannot believe how far behind the Knicks they are already.
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Bass was definitely off tonight, but overall I thought hes been solid for us this season.
the turnovers need to stop though. I cant count how many times the past few weeks pierce would throw a sloppy pass and it ends up being a layup at the other end.
oh well, we get another crack at them tomorrow.
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You people need to understand Pierce played 45 minutes. Its tough. When shots don't go in, you start to lose faith in it and when you are tired like crazy the way Pierce was with those many minutes, its bad. Add to that the fact that refs made some extremely questionable calls and Pierce did not get a single call for all the times he was fouled.
Its easy to just blame people for how bad they played, but you have to look at all the factors.
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Green and rondo about the only good things to take from this game.
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I just want them to trade Brandon Bass.
I just want them to quit being sloppy with the ball, which is the reason they lose many of these games. 20-plus turnovers is not going to create many wins.
I just want them to get another big guy who can play.
I just want Jared Sullinger to be in the starting lineup. His defense cannot be much worse than that of Bass, and he gives them so much more in every other phase of the game.
I want to say that Jeff Green might finally be getting it and I have to praise his play over the last two-plus weeks.
I am so tired of this being a mediocre team that has really only beaten a couple of teams with a pulse this year.
I cannot believe how far behind the Knicks they are already.
I'm with you, Vinnie. I've made a concerted effort this season to be patient, to hold my tongue, to keep my emotions in check, because of all the new guys and because the Cs, over the last couple years, have had a tendency to take their sweet ol' time getting things into high gear.
I even sat patiently throughout the abomination that was their game against Brooklyn last week—the first NBA game I'd ever been to.
But after witnessing the end of tonight's game ... I couldn't hold it in any longer. Thus this thread, which I admit was entirely knee-jerk on my part, but also, I feel, well deserved.
This team has been turnover-prone through the New Big Three era, and it must stop.
Pierce missing a layup, an OPEN layup.
Lee airballing a 3, AIRBALLING.
Rondo—not only does he slip on the final shot, but why in the world is HE taking the final shot anyway?!?
And why was Terry even still in the game in OT? If a guy doesn't have it on a given night, he doesn't have it (listening, Doc?).
Get it together, guys.
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You people need to understand Pierce played 45 minutes. Its tough. When shots don't go in, you start to lose faith in it and when you are tired like crazy the way Pierce was with those many minutes, its bad. Add to that the fact that refs made some extremely questionable calls and Pierce did not get a single call for all the times he was fouled.
Its easy to just blame people for how bad they played, but you have to look at all the factors.
Being tired is indeed a big factor, but if he's so tired he can't make a layup, he shouldn't be in the game.
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o please, this is a make or miss league. I'm not worried about a game like this.
At least I'm seeing some things to be optimistic about.
1. Jeff Green finally being aggressive and cutting more often now, and I think he had a block? GOOD SIGN
2. I saw somewhere in the game where Sully RIPPED down a rebound, and then again shortly after.
3. Lee didn't produce but hey, he hustled.
its a make or miss league. On any given night, Terry or Pierce would've made 1 or 2 more threes.
Personally, I think its just a mistake on KG's part, should've taken a turnaround jumper but instead chose to give it to Rondo
not a big deal, on to tomorrow's game
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Bass was definitely off tonight, but overall I thought hes been solid for us this season.
the turnovers need to stop though. I cant count how many times the past few weeks pierce would throw a sloppy pass and it ends up being a layup at the other end.
oh well, we get another crack at them tomorrow.
Bass is an abomination on defense and his shot has been way off most of this season. He has done okay on the boards, but overall, Sully gives this team more.
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This game really makes me feel that the closing lineup in the playoffs should usually be Rondo, Garnett, Pierce, Green, and Bradley.
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You people need to understand Pierce played 45 minutes. Its tough. When shots don't go in, you start to lose faith in it and when you are tired like crazy the way Pierce was with those many minutes, its bad. Add to that the fact that refs made some extremely questionable calls and Pierce did not get a single call for all the times he was fouled.
Its easy to just blame people for how bad they played, but you have to look at all the factors.
Stop, he came out shooting poorly. Its not like he started the game at 45mins. He missed alot of those shots when he was still fresh. Pierce has been shooting poorly all year long.
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This game really makes me feel that the closing lineup in the playoffs should usually be Rondo, Garnett, Pierce, Green, and Bradley.
To quote a former NFL coach -- "Playoffs?" "Playoffs?" ;D
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Rondo slips. How many times do guys SLIP?!? Only with the Celtics.
Rondo seemed to slip a lot last year. At some point in time he needs to maybe try different shoes or something.
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Indeed, a good game from Green, and from Rondo and KG.
I liked Sully's rebounding as well. Lee had an up and down game but at least he's staying aggressive.
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o please, this is a make or miss league. I'm not worried about a game like this.
At least I'm seeing some things to be optimistic about.
1. Jeff Green finally being aggressive and cutting more often now, and I think he had a block? GOOD SIGN
2. I saw somewhere in the game where Sully RIPPED down a rebound, and then again shortly after.
3. Lee didn't produce but hey, he hustled.
its a make or miss league. On any given night, Terry or Pierce would've made 1 or 2 more threes.
Personally, I think its just a mistake on KG's part, should've taken a turnaround jumper but instead chose to give it to Rondo
not a big deal, on to tomorrow's game
You're right that there were some encouraging things in this game, especially Green's play, and you're right that it's a make-or-miss league, but I don't think someone should be on the floor when he's missed THAT many shots, as Terry did tonight. There's also no excuse for Pierce missing an open layup. And yeah, I'd rather have KG taking that last shot than Rondo.
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We doubled their turnovers...
That's the ball game.
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Was Barbosa ill tonight? I don't recall seeing him in the game at any point, and we could've used an offensive booster with the way Jet was shooting.
Why was Rondo the receiver of the inbounds pass in the fourth with the game tied? KG deferring to him at the end offensively was an appropriate nail in the coffin. I just feel like Rondo should only be in the game to pass the ball in for his court vision.
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I've seen enough of lee. You do not shoot an air ball for the game winning shot. package him with sully and melo /picks for gortat.
There is a reason Courtney Lee has bounced around the league, playing on his 4th team in 5 years.
But give him a little more time. He is playing so bad vs. his historical production, shooting 26% from 3 right now, career 38% shooter. All his other stats are in line, even his minutes for the most part.
He is just lacking confidence right now from 3. That airball was the low point of his season for sure.
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I just want them to trade Brandon Bass.
I just want them to quit being sloppy with the ball, which is the reason they lose many of these games. 20-plus turnovers is not going to create many wins.
I just want them to get another big guy who can play.
I just want Jared Sullinger to be in the starting lineup. His defense cannot be much worse than that of Bass, and he gives them so much more in every other phase of the game.
I want to say that Jeff Green might finally be getting it and I have to praise his play over the last two-plus weeks.
I am so tired of this being a mediocre team that has really only beaten a couple of teams with a pulse this year.
I cannot believe how far behind the Knicks they are already.
I'm with you, Vinnie. I've made a concerted effort this season to be patient, to hold my tongue, to keep my emotions in check, because of all the new guys and because the Cs, over the last couple years, have had a tendency to take their sweet ol' time getting things into high gear.
I even sat patiently throughout the abomination that was their game against Brooklyn last week—the first NBA game I'd ever been to.
But after witnessing the end of tonight's game ... I couldn't hold it in any longer. Thus this thread, which I admit was entirely knee-jerk on my part, but also, I feel, well deserved.
This team has been turnover-prone through the New Big Three era, and it must stop.
Pierce missing a layup, an OPEN layup.
Lee airballing a 3, AIRBALLING.
Rondo—not only does he slip on the final shot, but why in the world is HE taking the final shot anyway?!?
And why was Terry even still in the game in OT? If a guy doesn't have it on a given night, he doesn't have it (listening, Doc?).
Get it together, guys.
I prefer Terry over Lee, even when Terry is not shooting well. Terry is known for being clutch and I don't think you give up on a clutch guy for a guy who is known for being just the opposite. Lee is terrible with the game on the line.
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BTW, why didn't Green get that last shot? He was the only one hitting 3s? ???
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We doubled their turnovers...
That's the ball game.
This.
The 9 turnover gap equates to about 9 points - Should have never come to missed shots and Rondo's slip at the end of regulation/OT. We held then under 38% shooting, and still lost.
Execution matters, and we still have a ways to go on both ends of the floor to meet the standards we have set when we have played well during the past few years, though the defense has been better recently.
FWIW, though Terry had a horrid shooting night, and Lee whiffed from the corner, neither of them had one of our 18 turnovers last night.
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funny nobody here mentions free throws. There is no excuse for all the misses we have from the line. NONE. NADA. ZILCH. Hey doc do your job and correct this aberration.
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We doubled their turnovers...
That's the ball game.
This.
The 9 turnover gap equates to about 9 points - Should have never come to missed shots and Rondo's slip at the end of regulation/OT. We held then under 38% shooting, and still lost.
Execution matters, and we still have a ways to go on both ends of the floor to meet the standards we have set when we have played well during the past few years, though the defense has been better recently.
FWIW, though Terry had a horrid shooting night, and Lee whiffed from the corner, neither of them had one of our 18 turnovers last night.
Yes this. Turnovers usually decide the game. Only through a great defensive effort did they get back in the game, but it shouldn't have come to that. Turnovers in the 3rd and 4th quarter were killers.
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Anyone that watched this game and couldn't figure out the outcome is kidding themselves. Hooray Celts, playing up to expectations and talent level. A 500 team. I thought they'd be better, at least 5 or 6th spot but maybe 6 or 7 now. If Bradley comes back and ignites the Team it would be uncharacteristic for a player out so long. he will take 20 games just to get up to NBA speed. He is our only hope of improving. Unless a trade takes place.
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Anyone that watched this game and couldn't figure out the outcome is kidding themselves. Hooray Celts, playing up to expectations and talent level. A 500 team. I thought they'd be better, at least 5 or 6th spot but maybe 6 or 7 now. If Bradley comes back and ignites the Team it would be uncharacteristic for a player out so long. he will take 20 games just to get up to NBA speed. He is our only hope of improving. Unless a trade takes place.
Bradley's defensive ability all has to do with his legs/ability to stay in front of guys and shuffle his feet..last I checked his knees/legs are fine.
while it may take awhile for him to regain his offensive form...i'm not to concerned that he wont be able to step in and stay in front of guys at the nba level
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Seems like there is an "anger" thread like this after every loss, no matter how close the game. The fact is they had multiple chances to win this game and didn't. It was a close game. Any one of those situations breaks in their favor and they win.
To me, the biggest factor was the turnovers. They have to "value the ball" more. I can accept missed shots. The defense is coming around. The rebounding seems to be getting better ( thanks to Sully). They are playing hard. It's just the turnovers that are frustrating and it is killing them.
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Seems like there is an "anger" thread like this after every loss, no matter how close the game. The fact is they had multiple chances to win this game and didn't. It was a close game. Any one of those situations breaks in their favor and they win.
To me, the biggest factor was the turnovers. They have to "value the ball" more. I can accept missed shots. The defense is coming around. The rebounding seems to be getting better ( thanks to Sully). They are playing hard. It's just the turnovers that are frustrating and it is killing them.
Rebounding is getting better, but I believe they allowed 17 offensive rebounds to the Sixers. That and 20 turnovers will lose you most games.
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Green needs to be given a chance to start and see what gives. Or at least he needs to take WAY MORE of Pierces minutes.
Pierce doen't even need to be NEAR the two spot...he is old and slow and has his pocket picked by every quick guard in the NBA . He is already throwing the ball away like crazy...the TWO ..NO WAY.
Pierce has been eating too many biscuts again...he is looking plumper than at the seasons start. ::)
I say play the heck out Green see if we can't get the 38 million out of him , play him into shape and make a monster out of him....he could use some attitude on the court.
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Pierce needs to be brought down to about 28minutes like KG is playing...maybe that way he would be more fresh when he comes into the game.
right now he looks tired. and when you have a guy who seems to be able to produce given the minutes. you need to give More to Green/Less to pierce
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Seems like there is an "anger" thread like this after every loss, no matter how close the game. The fact is they had multiple chances to win this game and didn't. It was a close game. Any one of those situations breaks in their favor and they win.
To me, the biggest factor was the turnovers. They have to "value the ball" more. I can accept missed shots. The defense is coming around. The rebounding seems to be getting better ( thanks to Sully). They are playing hard. It's just the turnovers that are frustrating and it is killing them.
Rebounding is getting better, but I believe they allowed 17 offensive rebounds to the Sixers. That and 20 turnovers will lose you most games.
17 offensive boards isn't bad when a team misses almost 70 shots. They need to be a little more careful with the ball though.
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i don't know about you guys but i love how we played defense during this game, i just hope we can continue to improve.
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Green played well. He is coming on it seems. I've seen enough of lee. You do not shoot an air ball for the game winning shot. package him with sully and melo /picks for gortat.
NOthing about this season has changed my opinion of Jeff Green... he's our 4th best player. He's a starting SF and he needs a bigger role. I'm in favor of starting him at SF and moving Pierce to starting SG... then trading a combo of average bigs/average guards for a legit big man to put next to KG.
Not sure that it wise to start Pierce at the 2. But I think it may be worth trying as long as Sullinger becomes the starting 4.
A lineup of KG, Sully, Green, PP and RR should produce offense and should be stronger on the boards than the current starting iteration. They may struggle defensively. I'd like to hear what people think about Pierce handling 2's -- I think he isn't quick enough and his legs won't be able to handle it in the long-term.
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i don't know about you guys but i love how we played defense during this game, i just hope we can continue to improve.
C's have been steadily improving. As I said in the game thread, this loss was different. The turnovers were problematic and consistent with previous performances, but the defense was solid -- especially in the 4th, and offensively we had (and blew) numerous opportunities.
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Anyone that watched this game and couldn't figure out the outcome is kidding themselves.
After the clock said 0.00, and the scoreboard said 95 Sixers, 94 Celtics, I knew we had no chance to win that basketball game. Right up until that point, though, I definitely thought it was a winnable contest.
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Green needs to be given a chance to start and see what gives. Or at least he needs to take WAY MORE of Pierces minutes.
Pierce doen't even need to be NEAR the two spot...he is old and slow and has his pocket picked by every quick guard in the NBA . He is already throwing the ball away like crazy...the TWO ..NO WAY.
Pierce has been eating too many biscuts again...he is looking plumper than at the seasons start. ::)
I say play the heck out Green see if we can't get the 38 million out of him , play him into shape and make a monster out of him....he could use some attitude on the court.
yea right bruh he's in shape dis year his shot aint fallin so far he still leadin our team in scorin tho so.......
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Seems like there is an "anger" thread like this after every loss, no matter how close the game. The fact is they had multiple chances to win this game and didn't. It was a close game. Any one of those situations breaks in their favor and they win.
To me, the biggest factor was the turnovers. They have to "value the ball" more. I can accept missed shots. The defense is coming around. The rebounding seems to be getting better ( thanks to Sully). They are playing hard. It's just the turnovers that are frustrating and it is killing them.
Oh, this was totally an anger thread, but it was my first of the season, and I think I did pretty well to hold my tongue this long—especially when you consider that I recently got to go to my first Celtics game, and it was that debacle of a performance against Brooklyn. I was committed to being more patient with this team this season, so I remained silent even then.
After watching the end of the Philly game, though, I'd had all I could take. Yes, I see a lot of good—Green is improving, as is the defense—but I see too many repeated mistakes, especially with turnovers.
As a fan, I understand that teams go through growing pains, and various ups and downs, but being a Celtics fan over the last few years has meant getting to see only about two months of good basketball per season, because the whole first half of the regular season is trash, and they love to let each playoff series go at least six games, even against opponents who are clearly inferior. I would so love to see more than two good months of basketball for a change.
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A lineup of KG, Sully, Green, PP and RR should produce offense and should be stronger on the boards than the current starting iteration. They may struggle defensively. I'd like to hear what people think about Pierce handling 2's -- I think he isn't quick enough and his legs won't be able to handle it in the long-term.
I would prefer a lineup that is stronger defensively but still struggles on the boards to one that is better at rebounding but struggles defensively.
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Anyone that watched this game and couldn't figure out the outcome is kidding themselves. Hooray Celts, playing up to expectations and talent level. A 500 team. I thought they'd be better, at least 5 or 6th spot but maybe 6 or 7 now. If Bradley comes back and ignites the Team it would be uncharacteristic for a player out so long. he will take 20 games just to get up to NBA speed. He is our only hope of improving. Unless a trade takes place.
I agree AB will help give us a spark, but we still aren't playing up to our abilities as a team. I disagree that AB is our only hope of improving. Once the team defense improves and we can become more efficient on offense (ie less than 20 turnovers) we can get a lot better, bradley or no bradley.
The C's obviously have a long way to go. But guys we are only 19 games into the season. If we are still playing .500 ball at the all star break, then we can worry. Obviously, the knicks have had a hot start. I personally don't think they will end the season with a .778 winning percentage. We have time to climb back over NY, Brook, and Philly.
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i don't know about you guys but i love how we played defense during this game, i just hope we can continue to improve.
C's have been steadily improving. As I said in the game thread, this loss was different. The turnovers were problematic and consistent with previous performances, but the defense was solid -- especially in the 4th, and offensively we had (and blew) numerous opportunities.
Pretty much, Terry missed 4+ wide open jump shots with his feet set. That's unusual and the KG bunny missed was also bad late.
Honestly our turnovers were only slightly above our average (which isn't good) at 16% compared to 14 percent. The rebounding was more troublesome as they got 27% which isn't good at all.
That turner lay in where Pierce blocked his jump shot and it bounced right to him was annoying...