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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: ben on December 07, 2012, 12:30:30 AM
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I think Rasheed Wallace just scored 12 points 7 rebounds for the knicks in a win against the Heat.
Makes me wish he hadn't "retired" and stuck with Cs. Always thought he was a great great player, hated when the pistons lost by 4points to spurs game seven, devastated when cs lost 4points in game seven, wallace had to endure both.
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Juiced.
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Seriously? Are we still whining about not signing/resigning a players whenever he has a good statline?
Jesus, the guy can score layups and grab a couple of rebounds. What's the big deal?
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Seriously? Are we still whining about not signing/resigning a players whenever he has a good statline?
Jesus, the guy can score layups and grab a couple of rebounds. What's the big deal?
The big deal is WE HAVE NO ONE to back up KG withthe caliber of a fossilized Wallace, Wilcox for now will do but he is so injury prone. God forbid anything happens to KG because we are toast if that happens. We should have held on to Jermaine's corpse for the veteran min than Jason Collins who is completely useless.
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Seriously? Are we still whining about not signing/resigning a players whenever he has a good statline?
Jesus, the guy can score layups and grab a couple of rebounds. What's the big deal?
He is also an excellent 3pt shooter and holds the record for most technicals amongst active players.
That said, I'd rather have him or Hollins than Collins and I almost miss JO :o.
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Seriously? Are we still whining about not signing/resigning a players whenever he has a good statline?
Jesus, the guy can score layups and grab a couple of rebounds. What's the big deal?
He is also an excellent 3pt shooter and holds the record for most technicals amongst active players.
That said, I'd rather have him or Hollins than Collins and I almost miss JO :o.
Wallace an excellent 3pt shooter?!
I do love me some Sheed though
BALLLDONTLIEEE
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sheed is shooting decently from 3 this season so far.
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Hell no, he was as bad as Antoine with his 3 point shot selection. I hated him when he was on the team and don't miss him one bit.
I swear every single time an ex-Celtic has one decent performance people forget every negative aspect of their game and immediately want them back on the team.
Maybe we can get Raef LaFrentz to come out of retirement, we could use the depth at the 4.
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sheed is shooting decently from 3 this season so far.
.276% is horrible, not decent.
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Hell no, he was as bad as Antoine with his 3 point shot selection. I hated him when he was on the team and don't miss him one bit.
I swear every single time an ex-Celtic has one decent performance people forget every negative aspect of their game and immediately want them back on the team. .
TP !!! Your correct.
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sheed is shooting decently from 3 this season so far.
He is shooting a whopping 28% from the 3 point line this year. Im not sure that qualifies as decent.
And I agree with the terrible three point shot selection, he could always hit some big three point shots at big moments here and there but in years where he has attempted 1 or more three pointers a game his best percentage has been 36%. With a career average of only 33%.
I always liked Sheed but he was passed his prime when he was here and I dont think he would be doing much for us at the moment. Still would be better than Collins I guess.
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I haven't seen a ton of Knicks games this year, but from what I have seen 'Sheed looked completely disinterested on the defensive end. Like, just letting guys drive the lane and not putting up even token resistance, just lazy reach-ins. Maybe I've just seen when he was all tuckered out, but 'Sheed is a guy whose best attributes were on the defensive side.
... and the whole "BALL DON'T LIE!" screaming, getting himself kicked out of games because of it... makes him look like a caricature of himself.
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Hell no, he was as bad as Antoine with his 3 point shot selection.
big call.
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Hell no, he was as bad as Antoine with his 3 point shot selection.
big call.
Yeah I remember walker taking more 3s off the dribble. Wallace just catch and shoots them instantly.
I'd go with Walker as being worse.
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And I agree with the terrible three point shot selection, he could always hit some big three point shots at big moments here and there but in years where he has attempted 1 or more three pointers a game his best percentage has been 36%. With a career average of only 33%.
?? I can't even remember the last time Sheed took a contested 3. Every shot he took with us and in the Knicks' games I've seen it's when his man leaves him completely and nobody's within 10 feet of him. 36% might be above average for a guard, but it's elite from the center position. In seasons that he's made at least 1 a game, he's shot above 35% 6 times and 33% once.
Yeah, not everybody still has their touch at 38, but why are you trying to take away from his career? Nobody has lauded his shooting in years, people talk about his ridiculous post defense and how much space his length takes up in the paint.
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Hell no, he was as bad as Antoine with his 3 point shot selection.
big call.
Yeah I remember walker taking more 3s off the dribble. Wallace just catch and shoots them instantly.
I'd go with Walker as being worse.
I remember Toine was put in the 3 point contest by the NBA just for giggles and scored 7, with multiple airballs in a row.
He still kept shooting those 3s though. Deep, deep threes.
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Juiced.
He said Rasheed Wallace, not LeBroid.
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Hell no, he was as bad as Antoine with his 3 point shot selection.
big call.
Yeah I remember walker taking more 3s off the dribble. Wallace just catch and shoots them instantly.
I'd go with Walker as being worse.
I remember Toine was put in the 3 point contest by the NBA just for giggles and scored 7, with multiple airballs in a row.
He still kept shooting those 3s though. Deep, deep threes.
I'm pretty sure it was that 3-point contest when a reporter asked Antoine why he shot so many three pointers, and his response was perfectly emblematic of all that was wonderful and hopelessly flawed about Antoine Walker:
"Because there are no fours!"
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?? I can't even remember the last time Sheed took a contested 3.
Of course they're wide open. Guy's shooting 28% from deep, pretty sure the game plan's no more complicated than "let's leave 'Sheed wide open to take as many 3's as he wants!"
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Well to be fair, Antoine was probably the worst 3 point chucker in NBA history. I can't think of anyone else who was that bad of a shooter yet still took so many shots.
Rasheed isn't far off though, especially when he was on the tail end of his career with the Celtics. Any time he touched the ball outside the 3 point line you knew a brick was coming.
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Does Toine hold the record for most 3'sof attempted?
I thought at one point he did unless that was just him leading the league every year.....by a wide margin
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And I agree with the terrible three point shot selection, he could always hit some big three point shots at big moments here and there but in years where he has attempted 1 or more three pointers a game his best percentage has been 36%. With a career average of only 33%.
?? I can't even remember the last time Sheed took a contested 3. Every shot he took with us and in the Knicks' games I've seen it's when his man leaves him completely and nobody's within 10 feet of him. 36% might be above average for a guard, but it's elite from the center position. In seasons that he's made at least 1 a game, he's shot above 35% 6 times and 33% once.
Yeah, not everybody still has their touch at 38, but why are you trying to take away from his career? Nobody has lauded his shooting in years, people talk about his ridiculous post defense and how much space his length takes up in the paint.
It wasnt a good stat of his career. Just because hes wide open doesnt mean its still a good shot especially when he is making it on average 33%. The point Rasheed was a dirty post up player and could put up good shots in the paint. From shot selection point, he shouldnt have been chucking wide open threes at a bad rate when he could be more efficient in the paint.
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Does Toine hold the record for most 3'sof attempted?
I thought at one point he did unless that was just him leading the league every year.....by a wide margin
Toine is ranked 13th all time in 3 point attempts with 4,264.
The top 15 is pretty interesting actually with Pierce at number 5 and terry at 4.
Rank Player 3PA
1. Ray Allen 6857
2. Reggie Miller* 6486
3. Jason Kidd 5431
4. Jason Terry 4779
5. Paul Pierce 4628
6. Chauncey Billups 4598
7. Kobe Bryant 4566
8. Rashard Lewis 4393
9. Peja Stojakovic 4392
10. Tim Hardaway 4345
11. Nick Van Exel 4278
12. Dale Ellis 4266
13. Antoine Walker 4264
14. Jason Richardson 4161
15. Baron Davis 4159
Rasheed clocks in at 43rd with 3,217
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Love sheed and love seeing him back in the league.... count me as one that wishes he was on the cs
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Does Toine hold the record for most 3'sof attempted?
I thought at one point he did unless that was just him leading the league every year.....by a wide margin
He led the league three years in a row (2001-03). Antoine was taking a ridiculous 7-8 threes a game in those seasons. The rest of his career he was down around 3-4 attempts. So he had three crazy years under Jim O'Brien.
His highest year, 2002 with 645 attempts, ranks 3rd all-time for a single season behind Ray Allen (653 with Seattle in 2006) and George McCloud (678 with Dallas in 1996 with the shortened line).
Antoine also ranks 9th and 14th with his other two seasons. Mookie Blaylock is the only other guy (along with Antoine) to rank twice in the top ten and three times in the top 20.
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Antoine shot 36% from 3 in the title year regular season. That surprised me a bit. That's pretty decent.
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15. Baron Davis 4159
I remember thinking Baron Davis was the Antoine Walker of point guards for a while; fat and chucking up eight 3's a game (and only making two of them).
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This list is even better cause it shows makes as well. Walker 13th all time in attempts, 22nd all time in makes with a .325% good for second worst on the list behind only Davis of the Baron variety.
ALL TIME LEADERS: THREE POINT FIELD GOALS MADE
PLAYER 3FGA 3FG% 3FGM
1. Ray Allen 6,857 .401 2,751
2. Reggie Miller 6,486 .395 2,560
3. Jason Kidd 5,432 .350 1,901
4. Jason Terry 4,779 .380 1,817
5. Chauncey Billups 4,598 .389 1,787
6. Peja Stojakovic 4,392 .401 1,760
7. Dale Ellis 4,266 .403 1,719
8. Paul Pierce 4,628 .369 1,709
9. Rashard Lewis 4,393 .388 1,706
10. Steve Nash 3,790 .428 1,621
11. Glen Rice 3,896 .400 1,559
12. Jason Richardson 4,161 .373 1,553
13. Eddie Jones 4,147 .373 1,546
14. Vince Carter 4,119 .375 1,543
15. Tim Hardaway 4,345 .355 1,542
16. Kobe Bryant 4,566 .337 1,540
17. Nick Van Exel 4,278 .357 1,528
18. Mike Bibby 3,999 .379 1,517
19. Michael Finley 3,880 .375 1,454
20. Jamal Crawford 4,083 .349 1,425
21. Brent Barry 3,442 .405 1,395
22. Antoine Walker 4,264 .325 1,386
23. Mike Miller 3,370 .406 1,367
24. Dan Majerle 3,798 .358 1,360
25. Baron Davis 4,159 .320 1,332
26. Mitch Richmond 3,417 .388 1,326
27. Joe Johnson 3,566 .368 1,311
28. Allan Houston 3,247 .402 1,305
29. Terry Porter 3,360 .386 1,297
30. Mookie Blaylock 3,816 .336 1,283
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Well we could actually get Ben Wallace if anyone interested.
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Seriously i cant even imagine making another thread about not resigning/ trading a guy. Rasheed of all people. Get over it please for everybody's sake.
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I'm happy for Sheed, I loved him against Dwight and the Fakers on those playoff series. Too bad him and KG took a lot of beating from Dwight just because the Celtics didn't sweep the Tragic. That, the Baby concussion and definitely the Perk injury were big factors on losing against the Fakers and Joey MVP Crawford.
Now, once he retired, we always had better options on paper, but they always were out due to injuries (Shaq, JO, even Krstic and Erden were injured, then Wilcox and JO again last year) or just bad luck (Darko). That could lead us to think Sheed would be an option, back in the day and even right now. But if he was in green he'd get more heat than Ray Allen around here.
He's doing fine in NY, good for them, and I wish him the best against the other 28 teams. Danny (hopefully) will find a better option around the All Star Weekend.
Ball don't Lie!