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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: BleedGreen1989 on December 06, 2012, 01:58:02 PM
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I understand they'd like to wait until Nash gets back and see how the two fit but even then, I don't see Pau fitting their plans.
The deal I saw floated was Bargnani and Calderon for gasol which I would do in a heartbeat. Not sure why Toronto would do it as I don't think they're close to competing but I would love to see Bargnani in dantonio's system just as a fan of basketball. Plus I think Jose would be a very good back up/starter when Nash is out. He would also provide them with some cash relief.
What do you guys think?
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I think bargnani stinks compared to gasol but agree he'd fit the system better which speaks to the fact they should've hired Phil Jackson who got the best out of gasol...not complaining they didn't though
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I don't think their problems are personal but more coaching, brown didn't work and i can't see dantoni working either. The broke up their twin towers with the move of bynum.
How can they improve their team to stick with san antonio, memphis, okc (am i forgetting anyone?) clippers?
Lakers are flawed right now. Pau might have a big contract but he is a very good big man. If they trade him and the nash experiment doesn't work they might be best to blow up team, kobe included. Not like the bench is any good.
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A couple of young prospects and #1 pick. In about 2 years Nash and Kobe will be gone and they will need to be in rebuild around Howard mode. Unless you can get someone who will guarantee you a legitimate shot a championship this and next year its the only play that makes sense. I am not sure there is that person around. LA is just not that good that one player is going to make the difference.
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If I was them, I'd be trying really hard to convince Atlanta that he'd be great with Horford and that they'd be wise to give me Josh Smith before he bolts for free agency and leave them with nothing.
If they trade Pau and they come away with anyone less talented than Smith, I'd be floored. LA's track record has been to trade garbage and get gold in return. Would expect even better when shipping out a player like Pau
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Yeah Id be trying to trade Gasol for Smith as well. If they didnt bite, I would rethink my plan and try to trade Dantoni so I could actually use the great skills Gasol brings to the team.
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Milwaukee:
LA Sends: Gasol
Milwaukee sends: John Henson, Ersan Ilyasova, Sam Dalembert, Mike Dunleavy
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Iggy + Koufos
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Iggy + Koufos
Who is going to play the 4?
Oh...you're not going to add in Anthony Randolph too, are you?
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Iggy + Koufos
Who is going to play the 4?
Oh...you're not going to add in Anthony Randolph too, are you?
I actually think Iggy would be a great PF in D'Antoni's system. He was really good in international play at PF, and I think it would translate.
The problem is, I think they could use a better shooter.
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Iggy + Koufos
Who is going to play the 4?
Oh...you're not going to add in Anthony Randolph too, are you?
(1) Make an additional move to bring in a PF. Trade either Jordan Hill or Kosta Koufos.
(2) Antawn Jamison
(3) Ron Artest
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Lakers Trade: Pau Gasol, MWP
Bulls Trade: Luol Deng, Carlos Boozer
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TWolves are offering Derrick Williams and Pekovic.
The Bargs, Calderon, Kleiza offer looks best to me if I were the Fakers.
Like the other poster,though, don't know why Toronto does that, unless there was a third team involved.
Hopefully they don't get Josh Smith.
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Step one: Luol Deng + Taj Gibson for Pau Gasol
Step two: Fire Mike D'Antoni and hire a defensive minded coach
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Lakers Trade: Pau Gasol, MWP
Bulls Trade: Luol Deng, Carlos Boozer
I think they should stay away from Boozer and go after Taj Gibson instead.
The defensive combination of Dwight Howard and Taj Gibson would be exceptional. The quickness. The length and shot-blocking. The defensive versatility. Throw in Luol Deng on top and you would have one of the most formidable defensive frontcourts of recent times.
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Step one: Luol Deng + Taj Gibson for Pau Gasol
Step two: Fire Mike D'Antoni and hire a defensive minded coach
I looked at Taj Gibson, but here is how it would work out:
LA Trades: Gasol, Earl Clark
Bulls Trade: Deng, Gibson, Hamilton
I just don't see why Chicago would trade Gibson and Deng for Gasol. I don't think it improves them significantly, and it doesn't really improve their money situation much either.
Gasol+MWP for Deng/Boozer shaves a year off Boozer's contract, along with the skill increase.
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They'll probably get Josh Smith for him... or some combo of young studs from Houston.
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La Trades: Pau Gasol
Utah Trades: Mo Williams, Paul Millsap
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It sounds like Danny Ferry has no interest in Pau Gasol.
I don't think LA has any chance of getting Josh Smith. I presume Atlanta is looking for a more long term solution this summer in free agency with their $40 million cap room.
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Lakers Trade: Pau Gasol
Pacers Trade: David West, Danny Granger
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It sounds like Danny Ferry has no interest in Pau Gasol.
I don't think LA has any chance of getting Josh Smith. I presume Atlanta is looking for a more long term solution this summer in free agency with their $40 million cap room.
Yeah, Ferry has a plan, and I don't think he deviates from it, even if a Gasol-Horford tandem sounds terrific to me.
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Lakers Trade: Pau Gasol
Pacers Trade: David West, Danny Granger
I think LA would need to sweeten the offer a bit. Maybe a pair of first round picks and throw in Jodie Meeks to help their wing depth.
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Lakers Trade: Pau Gasol
Pacers Trade: David West, Danny Granger
Probably too much actually.
Lakers Trade: Pau Gasol
Pacers Trade: Danny Granger, Psycho T
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Lakers Trade: Pau Gasol
Pacers Trade: David West, Danny Granger
That's good. I was looking for young(er) more athletic players at both forward spots but hadn't thought of Indy, I was thinking more of Humphries and Wallace and Brooks, but that's not a great deal for Pau.
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(after December 15)
Lakers trade: Pau Gasol, Robert Sacre, Darius Morris
Timberwolves trade: Derrick Williams, Luke Ridnour, Nikola Pekovic, and Brandon Roy
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Lakers Trade: Pau Gasol
Pacers Trade: David West, Danny Granger
Pau stuck playing alongside another center in Hibbert? Ugh.
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(after December 15)
Lakers trade: Pau Gasol, Robert Sacre, Darius Morris
Timberwolves trade: Derrick Williams, Luke Ridnour, Nikola Pekovic, and Brandon Roy
I'm a fan of Williams' potential, but I don't see LA pulling the trigger on this unless Pekovic was headed to a third team and a starting caliber 4 man was coming back. Williams hasn't proven himself ready to be a starter on a contending team, Pek would play 10mpg, Roy is out (for good right?) and Ridnour's just a back-up PG.
If I'm the Lakers, AK-47 is the starting point of any Pau to Minny deal.
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Step one: Luol Deng + Taj Gibson for Pau Gasol
Step two: Fire Mike D'Antoni and hire a defensive minded coach
Can't see Chicago doing that - not enough quality on the wing to send out Deng without getting a good wing in return.
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If I am the Lakers, I would be looking for a PF who is a good fit in a D'Antoni offense, a useful bench player, and a draft pick that could be in the late lottery.
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Step one: Luol Deng + Taj Gibson for Pau Gasol
Step two: Fire Mike D'Antoni and hire a defensive minded coach
Can't see Chicago doing that - not enough quality on the wing to send out Deng without getting a good wing in return.
Plus without Deng who will Thibs play for 47 minutes a game?
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Step one: Luol Deng + Taj Gibson for Pau Gasol
Step two: Fire Mike D'Antoni and hire a defensive minded coach
Can't see Chicago doing that - not enough quality on the wing to send out Deng without getting a good wing in return.
Plus without Deng who will Thibs play for 47 minutes a game?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7rjyw44
Kind of a lateral move for LA, but I think Chicago would be much improved with Pau instead of Boozer. It would give Chicago a second legitimate offensive go-to player. It would also increase the height in the front court for Chicago which is something that could cause problems for their 2 main playoff competitors in the East (Miami and Boston). Losing Deng to guard Lebron and Pierce hurts, but MWP isn't a scrub and I think the upgrade in the frontcourt is worth it.
I don't think Chicago will be in position to win it all this year with Rose presumably not 100% and their uninspired offseason efforts. But they will be able to focus on strengthening the SG and backup SF position this offseason to put them in a much stronger position to contend in 2013-14.
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Step one: Luol Deng + Taj Gibson for Pau Gasol
Step two: Fire Mike D'Antoni and hire a defensive minded coach
Can't see Chicago doing that - not enough quality on the wing to send out Deng without getting a good wing in return.
Although this trade would be great for LA - I can't see Chicago giving up Deng. He's their second best player. Gasol is 32. So much of their offense goes through Boozer.
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Lakers Trade: Pau Gasol
Pacers Trade: David West, Danny Granger
I think LA would need to sweeten the offer a bit. Maybe a pair of first round picks and throw in Jodie Meeks to help their wing depth.
If Granger weren't injured - I think this would help both teams. But Granger is done for the year - and West and an injured Granger is simply not enough for Gasol. But TP, good idea.
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Step one: Luol Deng + Taj Gibson for Pau Gasol
Step two: Fire Mike D'Antoni and hire a defensive minded coach
Can't see Chicago doing that - not enough quality on the wing to send out Deng without getting a good wing in return.
Plus without Deng who will Thibs play for 47 minutes a game?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7rjyw44
Kind of a lateral move for LA, but I think Chicago would be much improved with Pau instead of Boozer. It would give Chicago a second legitimate offensive go-to player. It would also increase the height in the front court for Chicago which is something that could cause problems for their 2 main playoff competitors in the East (Miami and Boston). Losing Deng to guard Lebron and Pierce hurts, but MWP isn't a scrub and I think the upgrade in the frontcourt is worth it.
I don't think Chicago will be in position to win it all this year with Rose presumably not 100% and their uninspired offseason efforts. But they will be able to focus on strengthening the SG and backup SF position this offseason to put them in a much stronger position to contend in 2013-14.
I just think Deng is the best player in the trade. Given the dominance of Miami, I'm not sure I'm on board with this for Chicago.
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A new clean pair of big boy pants?
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If I'm the Lakers and D'Antoni's going to be my coach for the foreseeable future, I need some speed and shooting around Nash/Kobe/Dwight. But I'm also looking at that sweet SF free agent crop in 2014 and wanting to keep my cap space open.
The best package that fits those criteria that I can come up with is Pau to Minny for AK-47, Ridnour and Cunningham. I get the ideal D'Antoni 4 in AK-47 (a hybrid of Diaw and Marion), a solid back-up for Nash with good shooting range and a decent back-up forward with a solid mid-range J.
The Minnesota side is a bit more problematic, but they get the guy they want in Pau and they'd still have the assets (Williams, Pekovic) to do something about their wing situation.
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Lakers Trade: Pau Gasol
Pacers Trade: David West, Danny Granger
I think LA would need to sweeten the offer a bit. Maybe a pair of first round picks and throw in Jodie Meeks to help their wing depth.
If Granger weren't injured - I think this would help both teams. But Granger is done for the year - and West and an injured Granger is simply not enough for Gasol. But TP, good idea.
Granger's out for a couple months, not the year. It's actually an overpay for Gasol.
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A couple of young prospects and #1 pick. In about 2 years Nash and Kobe will be gone and they will need to be in rebuild around Howard mode. Unless you can get someone who will guarantee you a legitimate shot a championship this and next year its the only play that makes sense. I am not sure there is that person around. LA is just not that good that one player is going to make the difference.
That may also be the recipe for ensuring that Howard leaves after this year. I would guess he wouldn't stay if the Lakers look like rebuilders.
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What about Boston?
Gasol or Varejavo?
Now that is a good question.
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Houston will give up anything to get their hands on gasol. Dunno what assets they have but I could also see smith going from ATL. Wolves do have a lot of pieces.
Who knows but it will be fun to watch.
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Houston will give up anything to get their hands on gasol. Dunno what assets they have but I could also see smith going from ATL. Wolves do have a lot of pieces.
Who knows but it will be fun to watch.
Houston would have before. I forget where, but I read recently that they are no longer in the market for him.
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I'd try to swing a trade that netted me Bargnani (perfect fit next to Dwight) and some other complimentary pieces (mobile, versatile players who can shoot).
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Atlanta for Josh Smith
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If I were the Lakers, I would wonder if some form of Gasol and Blake to Utah for Millsap, Raja Bell, and Mo Williams would make sense, and which side would have to throw in additional assets to make it work. It may require the Jazz to trade Al Jefferson for other useful stuff, first.
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I'd try to swing a trade that netted me Bargnani (perfect fit next to Dwight) and some other complimentary pieces (mobile, versatile players who can shoot).
Good offense with god-awful defense in Bargnani. Perfect fit for D'antoni's joke of a system.
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Apparently they have received enquiries from Toronto and Minnesota.
Toronto are apparently offering a package of:
Bargnani, Calderon, Linas Kleiza
Minnesota:
Pekovic, Derrick Williams, Filler
So we can stop this ridiculous over-offering for gasol now. His perceived value from those in the know isnt that high.
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If I were the Lakers, I would wonder if some form of Gasol and Blake to Utah for Millsap, Raja Bell, and Mo Williams would make sense, and which side would have to throw in additional assets to make it work. It may require the Jazz to trade Al Jefferson for other useful stuff, first.
I don't think Pau Gasol has much value to Utah. They have two blue chip prospects in Favors and Kanter who need more minutes. Bringing in a 32 year old to start ahead of him is more a problem than a solution. Then there is Big Al.
I don't think Utah is a good trading partner for LA.
Maybe in a three team deal. They do have some pieces to offer and needs to fill.
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So we can stop this ridiculous over-offering for gasol now. His perceived value from those in the know isnt that high.
It's unlikely that Toronto and Minnesota are offering the maximum they are willing to give up. Those are probably lowball offers to see how much the Lakers are demanding.
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So we can stop this ridiculous over-offering for gasol now. His perceived value from those in the know isnt that high.
Yeah, I do think that Pau Gasol's trade value has been tanking over the last few months. LA has hung onto Pau for too long. Shot themselves in the foot, trade value wise.
I think they are looking at a player who is a top 6-12 level talent at their respective position (just outside to well outside All-Star caliber talent) in exchange for Pau Gasol (who I still rate as a top 3 center). Plus, if they are lucky, maybe LA can nab mid-level type asset in addition to that lower tier star.
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If I were the Lakers, I would wonder if some form of Gasol and Blake to Utah for Millsap, Raja Bell, and Mo Williams would make sense, and which side would have to throw in additional assets to make it work. It may require the Jazz to trade Al Jefferson for other useful stuff, first.
I don't think Pau Gasol has much value to Utah. They have two blue chip prospects in Favors and Kanter who need more minutes. Bringing in a 32 year old to start ahead of him is more a problem than a solution. Then there is Big Al.
Well, I did suggest Utah may need to trade Jefferson first. If Utah could overhaul their roster so that the net is trading out Millsap and Jefferson for Gasol and some potential long-term solutions at the guard spots, that would make sense. Utah seems to think it can be a player for a max free agent next summer, but perhaps trading for All-Star caliber players is a better idea.
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Amare Stoudemire -- after he gets back onto the court and shows he's healthy.
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Amare Stoudemire -- after he gets back onto the court and shows he's healthy.
Sideways move.
The Lakers need depth as much as they need a better fit at PF.
Amare would have the same problem on the Lakers that he has on the Knicks -- he's at his best when he plays center. Always has been.
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Apparently they have received enquiries from Toronto and Minnesota.
Toronto are apparently offering a package of:
Bargnani, Calderon, Linas Kleiza
Minnesota:
Pekovic, Derrick Williams, Filler
So we can stop this ridiculous over-offering for gasol now. His perceived value from those in the know isnt that high.
On the contrary, I think people are low-balling the Lakers big time right now because they are hoping the Lakers will be desperate enough to take that kind of offer.
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Apparently they have received enquiries from Toronto and Minnesota.
Toronto are apparently offering a package of:
Bargnani, Calderon, Linas Kleiza
Minnesota:
Pekovic, Derrick Williams, Filler
So we can stop this ridiculous over-offering for gasol now. His perceived value from those in the know isnt that high.
I don't think either one of those offers are particularly low-ball. Especially the Minnesota one.