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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: KG Living Legend on December 06, 2012, 11:30:38 AM
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The man got us are first ring in a LONG time. Much respect for that, and with some luck we could of had at least two. Now we have seen a lot of questionable decisions. He's 53 years old now and looks much older than that to me. Is it time to look elsewhere for a new GM.
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Nope.
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I would fire Doc way before I'd even consider removing Danny.
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Which available GM is out there that you think we should replace Danny with?
Otis Smith?
Isiah Thomas?
Scott Layden?
ML Carr?
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53 isn't old for a GM.
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No.
Why get rid of the GM who is good in the draft when the team is getting close to a rebuilding era?
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What questionable decisions? He's been great, particularly this offseason.
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Naw ... he is old school NBA at heart, I think he;ll steer the Celtics back on course . have had my moments with Doc's style of play (small -ball) ...but I think Doc is starting to see the light on rebounding and importance of a active bigs in the paint. Unless he wants to move the City of Boston to the West COast , it an't gonna work.
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Why? As my mother always says, "Be careful what you ask for...."
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Nowhere close. He has done a fantastic job. It is not easy to continue to be a contender year after year without a superstar in their prime.
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Still one of the best in the business, and if you ask me he's only getting better.
In Danny I trust.
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Mmmmm no not at all
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wow this is a new one...
I see "team getting old", "trade x, trade y" threads, but fire Danny?
he's done very well, but man
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A quick look at celtics blog so far this year
fire danny, fire doc, trade green, trade bradley, trade pierce, trade lee, trade rondo, give melo pt, trade for josh smith trade for josh smith trade for josh smith
breathe deep
ainge is doing what is extremely difficult, we are going to go from a top 5 team to a young good team with lots of assets
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No, no, no, no, no, a thousand times no.
You know why? Because I have a memory that extends beyond the past couple of games. Because I remember how absolutely horrible and directionless this franchise was before Danny got here. Because I see other franchises that struggle with horrible mismanagement year after year. Because I remember previous seasons when it's taken the team a little while to congeal, and I trust that when all is said and done the pieces that have been assembled will have us in the hunt.
I mean... do you remember the Rick Pitino years? You want to go back to that? When the Patriots lost to Seattle and went to 3-3, did you call for Bill Belichick to be fired, too?
Get a grip, people.
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No. He's put together a contending team each of the last 5 years. It's on the players and the coaches to take it to the next step and get the championship
Every thread on this board is fire this guy, trade that guy, this guy sucks. Really bizarre to me lol.
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I mean, is there any team that has drafted as well as Danny has?
And please, don't point to OKC. It doesn't take a genius to draft Kevin Durant. He was a consensus number 1 pick, and nobody expected him to not be drafted 1st. Getting good players from lottery picks is WAAAAY different than Danny getting good players from the late first/early second round.
Rondo, Glen Davis, Avery Bradley, etc. Can anybody think of a team that has a better track record with such low picks?
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No. He's put together a contending team each of the last 5 years. It's on the players and the coaches to take it to the next step and get the championship.
Couldn't agree more.
Actually, to take it one step further, our window with KG/PP/Judas was supposed to be 3 years. Danny has extended that to 6 and perhaps seven. That alone gives him a pass from me almost forever.
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I don't want him fired, and I know I'm in the minority, but I do disagree with retooling and not rebuilding this year.
I would of been okay to suck this year and go for a shot at Nerlens Noel. I realize that is a long shot, but let's face it. This isn't LA or Miami, we are going to have a rough period at some point. Because I really doubt Ainge can pull off a KG like trade again, and even that took us being turrrrible.
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I don't want him fired, and I know I'm in the minority, but I do disagree with retooling and not rebuilding this year.
I would of been okay to suck this year and go for a shot at Nerlens Noel. I realize that is a long shot, but let's face it. This isn't LA or Miami, we are going to have a rough period at some point. Because I really doubt Ainge can pull off a KG like trade again, and even that took us being turrrrible.
Would you have been ok if we didn't win the lottery and still sucked 5 years from now.
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I will much rather have a GM who makes questionable decisions, but knows where he is going with the team (like choosing to bet on Green, because he believes that we need a big athletic SF to back up/take over after Pierce), than a GM who only wants to make popular decisions (like the Magic trying to hold on to Howard).
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Quite the contrary, I hope Ainge sticks around for a long, long time.
Eventually, I hope he can find and groom someone to succeed him, to let him transition into a lifetime/honorary role with the organization. But I hope that's well off into the future.
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The man got us are first ring in a LONG time. Much respect for that, and with some luck we could of had at least two. Now we have seen a lot of questionable decisions. He's 53 years old now and looks much older than that to me. Is it time to look elsewhere for a new GM.
This part baffles me. I've never heard the argument of replacing a GM for being "old". Especially when he "looks" older than a not so old 53. TP for the reach.
BTW...Pat Riley is 67, but looks about 87 to me.
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Huh? Why would fire one of the top 3 gms in the league?
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No.
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The man got us are first ring in a LONG time. Much respect for that, and with some luck we could of had at least two. Now we have seen a lot of questionable decisions. He's 53 years old now and looks much older than that to me. Is it time to look elsewhere for a new GM.
[Edited. Disagree without insulting others, please.]
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And please, don't point to OKC. It doesn't take a genius to draft Kevin Durant. He was a consensus number 1 pick, and nobody expected him to not be drafted 1st.
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2007/0628/nba_g_oden2_412.jpg)
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And please, don't point to OKC. It doesn't take a genius to draft Kevin Durant. He was a consensus number 1 pick, and nobody expected him to not be drafted 1st.
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2007/0628/nba_g_oden2_412.jpg)
Don't forget to drop the mic as you exit the stage :)
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I'm not interested in getting rid of a GM who is capable of making the Perk trade.
::)
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I don't want him fired, and I know I'm in the minority, but I do disagree with retooling and not rebuilding this year.
I would of been okay to suck this year and go for a shot at Nerlens Noel. I realize that is a long shot, but let's face it. This isn't LA or Miami, we are going to have a rough period at some point. Because I really doubt Ainge can pull off a KG like trade again, and even that took us being turrrrible.
Would you have been ok if we didn't win the lottery and still sucked 5 years from now.
Yes, I'm admitting that we/I/Celtics are going to have to suck for a while to get good again. It's just the natural order of things. And since I didn't see us winning it this year(unless lucky injuries happen to other teams) I was ready to start the long and crappy process of rebuilding.
In my opinion it came down to not willing to delay the rebuilding in the hope that other teams have injuries.
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I don't want him fired, and I know I'm in the minority, but I do disagree with retooling and not rebuilding this year.
I would of been okay to suck this year and go for a shot at Nerlens Noel. I realize that is a long shot, but let's face it. This isn't LA or Miami, we are going to have a rough period at some point. Because I really doubt Ainge can pull off a KG like trade again, and even that took us being turrrrible.
Would you have been ok if we didn't win the lottery and still sucked 5 years from now.
Yes, I'm admitting that we/I/Celtics are going to have to suck for a while to get good again. It's just the natural order of things. And since I didn't see us winning it this year(unless lucky injuries happen to other teams) I was ready to start the long and crappy process of rebuilding.
In my opinion it came down to not willing to delay the rebuilding in the hope that other teams have injuries.
There's a lot of "right time, right place" to sucking and rebuilding. rebuilding through sucking means getting a top pick (or picks) when impact players are available in the draft. The spot you get in the draft is based (aside from how the ping pong balls go) by your record the year before, not what you do in the years before that. Getting bad sooner rather than later might not speed up the rebuild, it's just as likely to merely prolong it.
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I don't want him fired, and I know I'm in the minority, but I do disagree with retooling and not rebuilding this year.
I would of been okay to suck this year and go for a shot at Nerlens Noel. I realize that is a long shot, but let's face it. This isn't LA or Miami, we are going to have a rough period at some point. Because I really doubt Ainge can pull off a KG like trade again, and even that took us being turrrrible.
Would you have been ok if we didn't win the lottery and still sucked 5 years from now.
Yes, I'm admitting that we/I/Celtics are going to have to suck for a while to get good again. It's just the natural order of things. And since I didn't see us winning it this year(unless lucky injuries happen to other teams) I was ready to start the long and crappy process of rebuilding.
In my opinion it came down to not willing to delay the rebuilding in the hope that other teams have injuries.
There's a lot of "right time, right place" to sucking and rebuilding. rebuilding through sucking means getting a top pick (or picks) when impact players are available in the draft. The spot you get in the draft is based (aside from how the ping pong balls go) by your record the year before, not what you do in the years before that. Getting bad sooner rather than later might not speed up the rebuild, it's just as likely to merely prolong it.
I agree that being bad doesn't automaticly give you a franchise guy, but I was willing to take the chance at landing that player sooner rather than later, than to try and win a title with this team. I think we would of had a much much much better chance at Nerlens Noel(who I think is a franchise guy) than winning a title.
I also would like to note that I find it funny that Ainge criticized Red for keeping the big 3 together, and yet never pulled off a trade involving Ray and let him walk for nothing. And then extended the "Window" by bringing back KG.
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No, no, no, no, no, a thousand times no.
You know why? Because I have a memory that extends beyond the past couple of games. Because I remember how absolutely horrible and directionless this franchise was before Danny got here. Because I see other franchises that struggle with horrible mismanagement year after year. Because I remember previous seasons when it's taken the team a little while to congeal, and I trust that when all is said and done the pieces that have been assembled will have us in the hunt.
I mean... do you remember the Rick Pitino years? You want to go back to that? When the Patriots lost to Seattle and went to 3-3, did you call for Bill Belichick to be fired, too?
Get a grip, people.
T to the P.
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I don't want him fired, and I know I'm in the minority, but I do disagree with retooling and not rebuilding this year.
I would of been okay to suck this year and go for a shot at Nerlens Noel. I realize that is a long shot, but let's face it. This isn't LA or Miami, we are going to have a rough period at some point. Because I really doubt Ainge can pull off a KG like trade again, and even that took us being turrrrible.
Would you have been ok if we didn't win the lottery and still sucked 5 years from now.
Yes, I'm admitting that we/I/Celtics are going to have to suck for a while to get good again. It's just the natural order of things. And since I didn't see us winning it this year(unless lucky injuries happen to other teams) I was ready to start the long and crappy process of rebuilding.
In my opinion it came down to not willing to delay the rebuilding in the hope that other teams have injuries.
There's a lot of "right time, right place" to sucking and rebuilding. rebuilding through sucking means getting a top pick (or picks) when impact players are available in the draft. The spot you get in the draft is based (aside from how the ping pong balls go) by your record the year before, not what you do in the years before that. Getting bad sooner rather than later might not speed up the rebuild, it's just as likely to merely prolong it.
I agree that being bad doesn't automaticly give you a franchise guy, but I was willing to take the chance at landing that player sooner rather than later, than to try and win a title with this team. I think we would of had a much much much better chance at Nerlens Noel(who I think is a franchise guy) than winning a title.
I also would like to note that I find it funny that Ainge criticized Red for keeping the big 3 together, and yet never pulled off a trade involving Ray and let him walk for nothing. And then extended the "Window" by bringing back KG.
That is so nice of you to be willing to take that risk. Are you also the one investing millions of dollars in the team? Because that plays a role in this too, and it is a pretty big risk, when you know you are going to struggle to fill seats, without a very high probability of payoff.
As far as "criticizing Red", I think a lot of people twist the story with that. Ainge criticized Red for passing on a couple specific trades, that he believed would have helped extend the window of the team, that Red passed on because of his loyalty to Bird and McHale. Danny claims (and I believe him) that he has not had any offers close to what Red turned down.
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There always seems to be a team out there ready to trade a solid fringe all star for a lottery pick and go in a different direction. Maybe someday that's the direction we go in getting a solid #3 to pair with our solid #2 (Rondo). Maybe then with cap space we can convince a #1 to come in via free agency. Of course there is also the opposite approach and completly blowing it up and rebuilding through the draft.
I just don't think now was the time to go either direction. There is still gas left in the tank here and plenty of time to go one of those other directions in the future. Rondo is still young.
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I don't want him fired, and I know I'm in the minority, but I do disagree with retooling and not rebuilding this year.
I would of been okay to suck this year and go for a shot at Nerlens Noel. I realize that is a long shot, but let's face it. This isn't LA or Miami, we are going to have a rough period at some point. Because I really doubt Ainge can pull off a KG like trade again, and even that took us being turrrrible.
Would you have been ok if we didn't win the lottery and still sucked 5 years from now.
Yes, I'm admitting that we/I/Celtics are going to have to suck for a while to get good again. It's just the natural order of things. And since I didn't see us winning it this year(unless lucky injuries happen to other teams) I was ready to start the long and crappy process of rebuilding.
In my opinion it came down to not willing to delay the rebuilding in the hope that other teams have injuries.
There's a lot of "right time, right place" to sucking and rebuilding. rebuilding through sucking means getting a top pick (or picks) when impact players are available in the draft. The spot you get in the draft is based (aside from how the ping pong balls go) by your record the year before, not what you do in the years before that. Getting bad sooner rather than later might not speed up the rebuild, it's just as likely to merely prolong it.
I agree that being bad doesn't automaticly give you a franchise guy, but I was willing to take the chance at landing that player sooner rather than later, than to try and win a title with this team. I think we would of had a much much much better chance at Nerlens Noel(who I think is a franchise guy) than winning a title.
I also would like to note that I find it funny that Ainge criticized Red for keeping the big 3 together, and yet never pulled off a trade involving Ray and let him walk for nothing. And then extended the "Window" by bringing back KG.
Would you have wanted to speed the rebuild in the late 80s if you knew that we wouldn't be real contenders again for 20 years? Do you understand that there's probably as good a chance we'll go another 20 years without drafting a franchise player than there would be that we'd have gotten Noel?
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I don't want him fired, and I know I'm in the minority, but I do disagree with retooling and not rebuilding this year.
I would of been okay to suck this year and go for a shot at Nerlens Noel. I realize that is a long shot, but let's face it. This isn't LA or Miami, we are going to have a rough period at some point. Because I really doubt Ainge can pull off a KG like trade again, and even that took us being turrrrible.
Would you have been ok if we didn't win the lottery and still sucked 5 years from now.
Yes, I'm admitting that we/I/Celtics are going to have to suck for a while to get good again. It's just the natural order of things. And since I didn't see us winning it this year(unless lucky injuries happen to other teams) I was ready to start the long and crappy process of rebuilding.
In my opinion it came down to not willing to delay the rebuilding in the hope that other teams have injuries.
There's a lot of "right time, right place" to sucking and rebuilding. rebuilding through sucking means getting a top pick (or picks) when impact players are available in the draft. The spot you get in the draft is based (aside from how the ping pong balls go) by your record the year before, not what you do in the years before that. Getting bad sooner rather than later might not speed up the rebuild, it's just as likely to merely prolong it.
I agree that being bad doesn't automaticly give you a franchise guy, but I was willing to take the chance at landing that player sooner rather than later, than to try and win a title with this team. I think we would of had a much much much better chance at Nerlens Noel(who I think is a franchise guy) than winning a title.
I also would like to note that I find it funny that Ainge criticized Red for keeping the big 3 together, and yet never pulled off a trade involving Ray and let him walk for nothing. And then extended the "Window" by bringing back KG.
Would you have wanted to speed the rebuild in the late 80s if you knew that we wouldn't be real contenders again for 20 years? Do you understand that there's probably as good a chance we'll go another 20 years without drafting a franchise player than there would be that we'd have gotten Noel?
And lets also not ignore the fact that Noel (or anyone in this years draft class) doesn't look all that great. If you ask me, Noel looks more like Tyrus Thomas than KG, and that's not getting you back out of the lottery.
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I hope Ainge is the GM for the Celtics for the next decade. Its is hard to find an above average GM in this league. And the NBA has many more player movement restrictions compared to Baseball and Football.
Considering the restrictions, he has done a solid job, and has improved as he has gone along.
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I don't want him fired, and I know I'm in the minority, but I do disagree with retooling and not rebuilding this year.
I would of been okay to suck this year and go for a shot at Nerlens Noel. I realize that is a long shot, but let's face it. This isn't LA or Miami, we are going to have a rough period at some point. Because I really doubt Ainge can pull off a KG like trade again, and even that took us being turrrrible.
Would you have been ok if we didn't win the lottery and still sucked 5 years from now.
Yes, I'm admitting that we/I/Celtics are going to have to suck for a while to get good again. It's just the natural order of things. And since I didn't see us winning it this year(unless lucky injuries happen to other teams) I was ready to start the long and crappy process of rebuilding.
In my opinion it came down to not willing to delay the rebuilding in the hope that other teams have injuries.
There's a lot of "right time, right place" to sucking and rebuilding. rebuilding through sucking means getting a top pick (or picks) when impact players are available in the draft. The spot you get in the draft is based (aside from how the ping pong balls go) by your record the year before, not what you do in the years before that. Getting bad sooner rather than later might not speed up the rebuild, it's just as likely to merely prolong it.
I agree that being bad doesn't automaticly give you a franchise guy, but I was willing to take the chance at landing that player sooner rather than later, than to try and win a title with this team. I think we would of had a much much much better chance at Nerlens Noel(who I think is a franchise guy) than winning a title.
I also would like to note that I find it funny that Ainge criticized Red for keeping the big 3 together, and yet never pulled off a trade involving Ray and let him walk for nothing. And then extended the "Window" by bringing back KG.
That is so nice of you to be willing to take that risk. Are you also the one investing millions of dollars in the team? Because that plays a role in this too, and it is a pretty big risk, when you know you are going to struggle to fill seats, without a very high probability of payoff.
As far as "criticizing Red", I think a lot of people twist the story with that. Ainge criticized Red for passing on a couple specific trades, that he believed would have helped extend the window of the team, that Red passed on because of his loyalty to Bird and McHale. Danny claims (and I believe him) that he has not had any offers close to what Red turned down.
So I should be glad that we have a team that can make Wyc money? Ok. If that is the goal for fans, then I think we have the perfect team expect for Green's contract as I think that is wasting Wyc's money.
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I don't want him fired, and I know I'm in the minority, but I do disagree with retooling and not rebuilding this year.
I would of been okay to suck this year and go for a shot at Nerlens Noel. I realize that is a long shot, but let's face it. This isn't LA or Miami, we are going to have a rough period at some point. Because I really doubt Ainge can pull off a KG like trade again, and even that took us being turrrrible.
Would you have been ok if we didn't win the lottery and still sucked 5 years from now.
Yes, I'm admitting that we/I/Celtics are going to have to suck for a while to get good again. It's just the natural order of things. And since I didn't see us winning it this year(unless lucky injuries happen to other teams) I was ready to start the long and crappy process of rebuilding.
In my opinion it came down to not willing to delay the rebuilding in the hope that other teams have injuries.
There's a lot of "right time, right place" to sucking and rebuilding. rebuilding through sucking means getting a top pick (or picks) when impact players are available in the draft. The spot you get in the draft is based (aside from how the ping pong balls go) by your record the year before, not what you do in the years before that. Getting bad sooner rather than later might not speed up the rebuild, it's just as likely to merely prolong it.
I agree that being bad doesn't automaticly give you a franchise guy, but I was willing to take the chance at landing that player sooner rather than later, than to try and win a title with this team. I think we would of had a much much much better chance at Nerlens Noel(who I think is a franchise guy) than winning a title.
I also would like to note that I find it funny that Ainge criticized Red for keeping the big 3 together, and yet never pulled off a trade involving Ray and let him walk for nothing. And then extended the "Window" by bringing back KG.
Would you have wanted to speed the rebuild in the late 80s if you knew that we wouldn't be real contenders again for 20 years? Do you understand that there's probably as good a chance we'll go another 20 years without drafting a franchise player than there would be that we'd have gotten Noel?
I think putting off rebuilding bc of the fear of not being good again is not a good decision. Not to mention Bias/lewis dieing was kinda big.
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I don't want him fired, and I know I'm in the minority, but I do disagree with retooling and not rebuilding this year.
I would of been okay to suck this year and go for a shot at Nerlens Noel. I realize that is a long shot, but let's face it. This isn't LA or Miami, we are going to have a rough period at some point. Because I really doubt Ainge can pull off a KG like trade again, and even that took us being turrrrible.
Would you have been ok if we didn't win the lottery and still sucked 5 years from now.
Yes, I'm admitting that we/I/Celtics are going to have to suck for a while to get good again. It's just the natural order of things. And since I didn't see us winning it this year(unless lucky injuries happen to other teams) I was ready to start the long and crappy process of rebuilding.
In my opinion it came down to not willing to delay the rebuilding in the hope that other teams have injuries.
There's a lot of "right time, right place" to sucking and rebuilding. rebuilding through sucking means getting a top pick (or picks) when impact players are available in the draft. The spot you get in the draft is based (aside from how the ping pong balls go) by your record the year before, not what you do in the years before that. Getting bad sooner rather than later might not speed up the rebuild, it's just as likely to merely prolong it.
I agree that being bad doesn't automaticly give you a franchise guy, but I was willing to take the chance at landing that player sooner rather than later, than to try and win a title with this team. I think we would of had a much much much better chance at Nerlens Noel(who I think is a franchise guy) than winning a title.
I also would like to note that I find it funny that Ainge criticized Red for keeping the big 3 together, and yet never pulled off a trade involving Ray and let him walk for nothing. And then extended the "Window" by bringing back KG.
Would you have wanted to speed the rebuild in the late 80s if you knew that we wouldn't be real contenders again for 20 years? Do you understand that there's probably as good a chance we'll go another 20 years without drafting a franchise player than there would be that we'd have gotten Noel?
And lets also not ignore the fact that Noel (or anyone in this years draft class) doesn't look all that great. If you ask me, Noel looks more like Tyrus Thomas than KG, and that's not getting you back out of the lottery.
I think he is going to be really really good. Which would take us out of the lottery.
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Pretty random thread.
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I don't want him fired, and I know I'm in the minority, but I do disagree with retooling and not rebuilding this year.
I would of been okay to suck this year and go for a shot at Nerlens Noel. I realize that is a long shot, but let's face it. This isn't LA or Miami, we are going to have a rough period at some point. Because I really doubt Ainge can pull off a KG like trade again, and even that took us being turrrrible.
Would you have been ok if we didn't win the lottery and still sucked 5 years from now.
Yes, I'm admitting that we/I/Celtics are going to have to suck for a while to get good again. It's just the natural order of things. And since I didn't see us winning it this year(unless lucky injuries happen to other teams) I was ready to start the long and crappy process of rebuilding.
In my opinion it came down to not willing to delay the rebuilding in the hope that other teams have injuries.
There's a lot of "right time, right place" to sucking and rebuilding. rebuilding through sucking means getting a top pick (or picks) when impact players are available in the draft. The spot you get in the draft is based (aside from how the ping pong balls go) by your record the year before, not what you do in the years before that. Getting bad sooner rather than later might not speed up the rebuild, it's just as likely to merely prolong it.
I agree that being bad doesn't automaticly give you a franchise guy, but I was willing to take the chance at landing that player sooner rather than later, than to try and win a title with this team. I think we would of had a much much much better chance at Nerlens Noel(who I think is a franchise guy) than winning a title.
I also would like to note that I find it funny that Ainge criticized Red for keeping the big 3 together, and yet never pulled off a trade involving Ray and let him walk for nothing. And then extended the "Window" by bringing back KG.
Would you have wanted to speed the rebuild in the late 80s if you knew that we wouldn't be real contenders again for 20 years? Do you understand that there's probably as good a chance we'll go another 20 years without drafting a franchise player than there would be that we'd have gotten Noel?
I think putting off rebuilding bc of the fear of not being good again is not a good decision. Not to mention Bias/lewis dieing was kinda big.
I think that giving up a shot at a title because you feel like losing 60 games might get you closer to being good in the unforeseeable future isn't a good decision either.
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/slap :o
Get a grip.
It's early. And this team is deep.
Ainge is truly the bright spot this past year.
U guys were all anti-Bradley, kg is too old, trade rondo ATM certain points in the last few years.....
Danny is one of the best GMs in the Nba!
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And please, don't point to OKC. It doesn't take a genius to draft Kevin Durant. He was a consensus number 1 pick, and nobody expected him to not be drafted 1st.
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2007/0628/nba_g_oden2_412.jpg)
Don't forget to drop the mic as you exit the stage :)
Speaking of someone who looks MUCH older than he actually is...
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I don't want him fired, and I know I'm in the minority, but I do disagree with retooling and not rebuilding this year.
I would of been okay to suck this year and go for a shot at Nerlens Noel. I realize that is a long shot, but let's face it. This isn't LA or Miami, we are going to have a rough period at some point. Because I really doubt Ainge can pull off a KG like trade again, and even that took us being turrrrible.
Would you have been ok if we didn't win the lottery and still sucked 5 years from now.
Yes, I'm admitting that we/I/Celtics are going to have to suck for a while to get good again. It's just the natural order of things. And since I didn't see us winning it this year(unless lucky injuries happen to other teams) I was ready to start the long and crappy process of rebuilding.
In my opinion it came down to not willing to delay the rebuilding in the hope that other teams have injuries.
There's a lot of "right time, right place" to sucking and rebuilding. rebuilding through sucking means getting a top pick (or picks) when impact players are available in the draft. The spot you get in the draft is based (aside from how the ping pong balls go) by your record the year before, not what you do in the years before that. Getting bad sooner rather than later might not speed up the rebuild, it's just as likely to merely prolong it.
I agree that being bad doesn't automaticly give you a franchise guy, but I was willing to take the chance at landing that player sooner rather than later, than to try and win a title with this team. I think we would of had a much much much better chance at Nerlens Noel(who I think is a franchise guy) than winning a title.
I also would like to note that I find it funny that Ainge criticized Red for keeping the big 3 together, and yet never pulled off a trade involving Ray and let him walk for nothing. And then extended the "Window" by bringing back KG.
Would you have wanted to speed the rebuild in the late 80s if you knew that we wouldn't be real contenders again for 20 years? Do you understand that there's probably as good a chance we'll go another 20 years without drafting a franchise player than there would be that we'd have gotten Noel?
I think putting off rebuilding bc of the fear of not being good again is not a good decision. Not to mention Bias/lewis dieing was kinda big.
I think that giving up a shot at a title because you feel like losing 60 games might get you closer to being good in the unforeseeable future isn't a good decision either.
And that's fine. I just don't have the confidence that you must have that this team has a real shot at winning a title.
Currently constructed I don't think we have any chance to win a title this year unless we get very lucky breaks like last year with other teams injuries.
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I don't want him fired, and I know I'm in the minority, but I do disagree with retooling and not rebuilding this year.
I would of been okay to suck this year and go for a shot at Nerlens Noel. I realize that is a long shot, but let's face it. This isn't LA or Miami, we are going to have a rough period at some point. Because I really doubt Ainge can pull off a KG like trade again, and even that took us being turrrrible.
Would you have been ok if we didn't win the lottery and still sucked 5 years from now.
Yes, I'm admitting that we/I/Celtics are going to have to suck for a while to get good again. It's just the natural order of things. And since I didn't see us winning it this year(unless lucky injuries happen to other teams) I was ready to start the long and crappy process of rebuilding.
In my opinion it came down to not willing to delay the rebuilding in the hope that other teams have injuries.
There's a lot of "right time, right place" to sucking and rebuilding. rebuilding through sucking means getting a top pick (or picks) when impact players are available in the draft. The spot you get in the draft is based (aside from how the ping pong balls go) by your record the year before, not what you do in the years before that. Getting bad sooner rather than later might not speed up the rebuild, it's just as likely to merely prolong it.
I agree that being bad doesn't automaticly give you a franchise guy, but I was willing to take the chance at landing that player sooner rather than later, than to try and win a title with this team. I think we would of had a much much much better chance at Nerlens Noel(who I think is a franchise guy) than winning a title.
I also would like to note that I find it funny that Ainge criticized Red for keeping the big 3 together, and yet never pulled off a trade involving Ray and let him walk for nothing. And then extended the "Window" by bringing back KG.
Would you have wanted to speed the rebuild in the late 80s if you knew that we wouldn't be real contenders again for 20 years? Do you understand that there's probably as good a chance we'll go another 20 years without drafting a franchise player than there would be that we'd have gotten Noel?
I think putting off rebuilding bc of the fear of not being good again is not a good decision. Not to mention Bias/lewis dieing was kinda big.
I think that giving up a shot at a title because you feel like losing 60 games might get you closer to being good in the unforeseeable future isn't a good decision either.
And that's fine. I just don't have the confidence that you must have that this team has a real shot at winning a title.
Currently constructed I don't think we have any chance to win a title this year unless we get very lucky breaks like last year with other teams injuries.
Yep, lucky like Jeff Green, Chris Wilcox, Avery Bradley, Ray Allen, and Paul Pierce injuries. Very lucky indeed.
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Whuh?
We're 10-8 and we're ready to fire one of the best GMs in the NBA?
Wow.
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Whuh?
We're 10-8 and we're ready to fire one of the best GMs in the NBA?
Wow.
ive seen more negative threads after a positive win than after some losses..
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Can we pull this guy's fan card? JK
I love Danny as GM. I like Doc as coach. I love the C's, this team is still fun for me to watch.
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So, let's recap the last few yrs:
Danny acquires KG and Ray Ray, even AFTER our attempt to land the number 1 or 2 pick in the 07-08 draft falls through.
We subsequently win Banner 17.
Absolutely BRILLIANT move by Danny, because neither Durant or Oden would've brought us Banner 17.
We then go 62-20, but fall to ORL in the playoffs due to KG's injury. Not Danny's fault. We retool the roster a bit, minus Posey, add Micky Moore and Marbury, but STILL have a fine season.
If KG was healthy, we'd have Banner 18 that yr, and the Lakers would still have only 15.
Next season 09-10, we have a miraculous run to the finals, Rondo establishes himself as a star, LeBron, frustrated by BOS once again, bolts. We frustrate DH again, Danny adds Nate and Sheed. Sheed proves big in the playoffs, but we still lose.
Basically, if KG was recovered AND Perk was healthy, we'd have banner 19.
10-11? Shaq proves HUGE for us while healthy. We have perhaps our best run in several yrs, going 40-11 with Shaqtus manning the middle. JO proves helpful while healthy. Thanks to a DWade takedown of Rondo, any shot we have at beating MIA is for nought.
Again - not Danny's fault.
11-12? Another awesome run...AB (Danny's pick) proves HUGE. We basically falter once again due to injuries.
So are we still rdy to can Danny? I'm not.
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And who would you want to be our GM?
The buffoon or The emperor again?
the Celtics has been well-organized since he got here.
My dream would have been Ainge as GM and Bird as Coach. But we got Doc - who is a pretty good coach too.
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No. I have never been a huge fan of Danny, but for the life of me cannot understand why anyone would want to fire him
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No. I have never been a huge fan of Danny, but for the life of me cannot understand why anyone would want to fire him
Some people believe in change for the sake of change.
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Nope.
Reason 1: he's not doing a bad job.
Reason 2: who would you replace him with?
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Danny has proven over the past few years to be one of the best executives in the league.
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Weren't we firing him last season??
For Boston not being a landing spot for FA he's been doing a good job keeping the team competitive. Even maybe changing minds of FA's to come down the road.
Lee hasn't been awful. His D is always good, just needs to find his place on offense. And Terry is finding his shot more regularly. And when AB comes back and is ready, these are our bench guys in the back court.
Green has had a string of a few games that have been solid after Doc called him out. I still think he will be up and down for an other month. The guy had Heart surgery, and he's playing a year later. Even the doctors are impressed with that. He hasn't played in a year, that alone takes some getting back to form. Remember Jordan when he came back, and no Im not comparing them in the least bit, But Jordan was healthy away from the game, and maybe the best player ever looked bad at times when he first laced them up. People thought he was washed up. So Green just might need a bit more getting the feel for the game and a couple more good ones to get is confidence up. And I think he still has it in his head not to go all out yet.
I think DA still has some thing up his sleeves for trade time. Some thing right comes a long he'll pull the trigger.
Lets talk about firing when we're having a string of 15 win years okay?
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And please, don't point to OKC. It doesn't take a genius to draft Kevin Durant. He was a consensus number 1 pick, and nobody expected him to not be drafted 1st.
[dang] hes ugly
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2007/0628/nba_g_oden2_412.jpg)
Don't forget to drop the mic as you exit the stage :)
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And please, don't point to OKC. It doesn't take a genius to draft Kevin Durant. He was a consensus number 1 pick, and nobody expected him to not be drafted 1st.
[dang] hes ugly
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2007/0628/nba_g_oden2_412.jpg)
Don't forget to drop the mic as you exit the stage :)
he looks old to me
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I always thought he was like 30 when they drafted him in terms of his looks but I was wrong his body is like a 40 year old.
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I always thought he was like 30 when they drafted him in terms of his looks but I was wrong his body is like a 40 year old.
well...maybe thats his father or grandfather or somthing.. ???
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Stop with the 3's!!!
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Ainge is a clown. McHale handed him a "5-year contender"/one championship. Had we not traded Perk, we would've won two championships, maintained the toughness/grit that defined and made us successful, and not drastically overpaid a Sally.
None of the draft picks he made were reaches. Which of those who turned out successful were risky, insightful picks? Bradley was touted to be comparable to Wall 12 months prior to draft. And our youth greatly benefited from learning from some of the best players the past two decades.
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Incredibly stupid question.
If Wallace/Jermaine/Shaq/Perkins bodies don't explode/collapse at the most inopportune times for 4 consecutive years, we have a dynasty on our hands. Especially after this offseason where everything was a homerun (and the only possible negative has been looking really good lately), I don't understand how anyone could possibly be calling for a new GM.
Absolutely absurd from spoiled idiots who expected to go 72-10. This team has already shown massive signs of improvement from the beginning of the year and they have not come even close to peaking. Ainge has earned 10 more years of job security as far as I'm concerned.
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Revolution at last! It's time to clean Celtic management. Hell this team is only an experiment in futility anyway. You guys that want another ring will have to wait at least > 5 years for that and that's a conservative guess. Pierce, KG and Rondo's abilities have been wasted on 2nd rate players. Any good NBA Coach and Management Team would have had more than 1 ring with this group. I love Danny's contributions to the Celtics but has grown stale. Celtics love hanging on to failing stars. It has cost us for decades. The Celtics only had half the brains of the Jerry West era.
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Ainge is a clown. McHale handed him a "5-year contender"/one championship. Had we not traded Perk, we would've won two championships, maintained the toughness/grit that defined and made us successful, and not drastically overpaid a Sally.
None of the draft picks he made were reaches. Which of those who turned out successful were risky, insightful picks? Bradley was touted to be comparable to Wall 12 months prior to draft. And our youth greatly benefited from learning from some of the best players the past two decades.
Perkins is so overrated on this site it's incredible. He has played horrible since getting traded.
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Which available GM is out there that you think we should replace Danny with?
Otis Smith?
Isiah Thomas?
Scott Layden?
ML Carr?
Why does it have to be a GM? And as far as Coach, Doc is what he was a 500 Coach. He surely doesn't get enough out of this team. We keep making the same mistakes over and over. Lack of rebounding energy, turn overs, less than average hustle, he can't scold the Team because it's a big love in there. Nobody on the Team is earning his $$.
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No way we should even think about removing Ainge or Doc. They are both very good....and one of the many reasons for this is job tenure and relative security.
We had a 20 year hiatus from relevancy, and a parade of mediocre GMs and Coaches to go along with that run. We are now in year 6 of the KG era, and are still competitive - KG only comes back and signs that deal because of Doc. How many GMs had the summer Danny did, especially after losing Ray for half the money?
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No.
Why get rid of the GM who is good in the draft when the team is getting close to a rebuilding era?
because Danny is still always itching to pull the trigger on bad trades because he is constantly trying to prove he is smarter than Red was. Yes, he brought us a title, but he cost us at least 1, maybe 2 more.
someone add up all of Danny's personnel moves since he has been here (drafts, trades, free agent, letting players leave, etc). put a plus or minus beside each and see where we come out. double pluses (KG/Ray) and triple minuses (Perk) are allowed.
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No.
Why get rid of the GM who is good in the draft when the team is getting close to a rebuilding era?
because Danny is still always itching to pull the trigger on bad trades because he is constantly trying to prove he is smarter than Red was. Yes, he brought us a title, but he cost us at least 1, maybe 2 more.
someone add up all of Danny's personnel moves since he has been here (drafts, trades, free agent, letting players leave, etc). put a plus or minus beside each and see where we come out. double pluses (KG/Ray) and triple minuses (Perk) are allowed.
Dont compare the Perkins trade in weight to the KG/Ray moves. Just dont be that silly please.
Have whatever opinion you want about whether getting rid of perkins was a good idea, but dont compare it in significance to getting Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen.
Perkins was not this team's identity. Kevin Garnett was and continues to be.
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no GM is perfect, but I find it hard pressed to look at what other GM's are doing around the nba and say we need someone new?
danny just had a Great off-season and people are calling for his head?
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Ainge is a clown. McHale handed him a "5-year contender"/one championship. Had we not traded Perk, we would've won two championships, maintained the toughness/grit that defined and made us successful, and not drastically overpaid a Sally.
None of the draft picks he made were reaches. Which of those who turned out successful were risky, insightful picks? Bradley was touted to be comparable to Wall 12 months prior to draft. And our youth greatly benefited from learning from some of the best players the past two decades.
Perkins is so overrated on this site it's incredible. He has played horrible since getting traded.
}and play pretty decent while he was here and this is not a DA questioning post he did what he had to do whithout any bech on that time...i hate to see perkk goes just like the next guy but at the time i said it was necesary sadly green went down....who knows..not us
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someone add up all of Danny's personnel moves since he has been here (drafts, trades, free agent, letting players leave, etc). put a plus or minus beside each and see where we come out. double pluses (KG/Ray) and triple minuses (Perk) are allowed.
Perk trade is a plus, not a minus.
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someone add up all of Danny's personnel moves since he has been here (drafts, trades, free agent, letting players leave, etc). put a plus or minus beside each and see where we come out. double pluses (KG/Ray) and triple minuses (Perk) are allowed.
Perk trade is a plus, not a minus.
Agreed with the way green looks as of late and how perk looks. Fab melo is a big wild card.