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Title: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: KG Living Legend on December 06, 2012, 11:22:32 AM

 The "experts" have been talking about it for years, and to this teams credit they fought tooth and nail and remained an elite team in the league. But now the time has come.

 I think Kevin will never believe in his head that he's slowing down, but the big difference is Paul. Paul is really smart and he knows in his heart of hearts that there is just no way we can beat Miami anymore. You have to wonder if this is his last year. The fire is gone. The team is old. This team is slow. It's time to move on. It sucks.
Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on December 06, 2012, 11:27:12 AM

 The "experts" have been talking about it for years, and to this teams credit they fought tooth and nail and remained an elite team in the league. But now the time has come.

 I think Kevin will never believe in his head that he's slowing down, but the big difference is Paul. Paul is really smart and he knows in his heart of hearts that there is just no way we can beat Miami anymore. You have to wonder if this is his last year. The fire is gone. The team is old. This team is slow. It's time to move on. It sucks.

Bro, its too early for you to be this drunk. Usually threads like this come after a loss not a win.
Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: Roy H. on December 06, 2012, 11:28:28 AM
Well, this is going to be a productive and constructive thread...
Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: crownsy on December 06, 2012, 11:32:09 AM
Well, this is going to be a productive and constructive thread...

These type of threads make me nostalgic for bring back toine posts.
Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: Boris Badenov on December 06, 2012, 11:33:37 AM
Well, this is going to be a productive and constructive thread...

It's not so bad. To save time and effort, we can all just paste in our replies from last year.
Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: coco on December 06, 2012, 11:44:10 AM

Not such much the team, but our offense IS over he Hill.

I hate it when they force passes to PP and KG.....while the other guys are open.  Even worse, not even sending cutters when the lane is open.   It is painful to watch at times.   

It happens when a team becomes a PG heavy team.  ONE guy controls EVERY move in prelude to the ONE pass. 

Absolutely Horrible!!!

Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: bfrombleacher on December 06, 2012, 11:49:03 AM
Was this posted after the win against the Wolves?
Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: PhoSita on December 06, 2012, 12:33:33 PM
Pierce and KG both looked close to done at the start of last season.  KG looked like 50% of himself for the first half of the 2009-2010 season.

We've been here before.

This team is done being a dominant force night in and night out, at least during the regular season.  Even in the playoffs, when they are at the top of their game, they have it going some nights and on some others they lay an egg.

But they still have the pieces and the experience to go far.  They've gone from being one of the favorites in 2007-2008 to being a dark horse.  But they seem pretty comfortable in that role.  That's where we're going to be for the next season or two after this one, too, most likely.  So buckle up.
Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: manl_lui on December 06, 2012, 12:37:22 PM

 The "experts" have been talking about it for years, and to this teams credit they fought tooth and nail and remained an elite team in the league. But now the time has come.

 I think Kevin will never believe in his head that he's slowing down, but the big difference is Paul. Paul is really smart and he knows in his heart of hearts that there is just no way we can beat Miami anymore. You have to wonder if this is his last year. The fire is gone. The team is old. This team is slow. It's time to move on. It sucks.

Bro, its too early for you to be this drunk. Usually threads like this come after a loss not a win.

or high,

KG and Pierce are competitors...I can't wait to see Miami in the playoffs
Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: mmmmm on December 06, 2012, 01:05:34 PM

 The "experts" have been talking about it for years, and to this teams credit they fought tooth and nail and remained an elite team in the league. But now the time has come.

 I think Kevin will never believe in his head that he's slowing down, but the big difference is Paul. Paul is really smart and he knows in his heart of hearts that there is just no way we can beat Miami anymore. You have to wonder if this is his last year. The fire is gone. The team is old. This team is slow. It's time to move on. It sucks.

Bro, its too early for you to be this drunk. Usually threads like this come after a loss not a win.

Tommy Point.
Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: mmmmm on December 06, 2012, 01:06:30 PM
Well, this is going to be a productive and constructive thread...

It's not so bad. To save time and effort, we can all just paste in our replies from last year.
Or from the year before that .... or the year before that ...
Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: Interceptor on December 06, 2012, 01:16:33 PM

Not such much the team, but our offense IS over he Hill.

I hate it when they force passes to PP and KG.....while the other guys are open.  Even worse, not even sending cutters when the lane is open.   It is painful to watch at times.   

It happens when a team becomes a PG heavy team.  ONE guy controls EVERY move in prelude to the ONE pass. 

Absolutely Horrible!!!
Man, I can't even agree halfsies on this one. Our offense hasn't looked this good in years. This team has stretches where it just scores at will. We hardly ever see the "clogged toilet" Paul Pierce iso compared to how it used to be. The young guys are getting buckets for us now. Rondo is taking full advantage of his new weapons.
Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: AB_Celtic on December 06, 2012, 01:18:32 PM

Not such much the team, but our offense IS over he Hill.

I hate it when they force passes to PP and KG.....while the other guys are open.  Even worse, not even sending cutters when the lane is open.   It is painful to watch at times.   

It happens when a team becomes a PG heavy team.  ONE guy controls EVERY move in prelude to the ONE pass. 

Absolutely Horrible!!!
Man, I can't even agree halfsies on this one. Our offense hasn't looked this good in years. This team has stretches where it just scores at will. We hardly ever see the "clogged toilet" Paul Pierce iso compared to how it used to be. The young guys are getting buckets for us now. Rondo is taking full advantage of his new weapons.

Absolutely agree. If anything's wrong, it's NOT our offense.
Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: elcotte on December 06, 2012, 01:20:19 PM

 The "experts" have been talking about it for years, and to this teams credit they fought tooth and nail and remained an elite team in the league. But now the time has come.

 I think Kevin will never believe in his head that he's slowing down, but the big difference is Paul. Paul is really smart and he knows in his heart of hearts that there is just no way we can beat Miami anymore. You have to wonder if this is his last year. The fire is gone. The team is old. This team is slow. It's time to move on. It sucks.

In another thread you want to fire Ainge and now you want to dump Pierce or whomever. What's really bugging you?
Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: mmmmm on December 06, 2012, 01:23:10 PM
Pierce and KG both looked close to done at the start of last season.  KG looked like 50% of himself for the first half of the 2009-2010 season.

We've been here before.

This team is done being a dominant force night in and night out, at least during the regular season.  Even in the playoffs, when they are at the top of their game, they have it going some nights and on some others they lay an egg.

But they still have the pieces and the experience to go far.  They've gone from being one of the favorites in 2007-2008 to being a dark horse.  But they seem pretty comfortable in that role.  That's where we're going to be for the next season or two after this one, too, most likely.  So buckle up.

You just described what its like for pretty much every team, young or old.

Its a long season and all teams have their ups & downs.  The better teams just have more 'ups' than 'downs'.  But even the best teams have 'down' moments.

Basketball players are not machines.  They are human and subject bad days, slumps and bad luck, both on an individual and group level.

We here are spoiled by either long term memories of the Bird-era Celtics and more probably by memories of the 2007-2008 season.  Folks need to understand that it is extremely rare for a team to be as dominant as that team was, from beginning of the season to the end.   The net point differential of that team places it among the best teams ever.

But even that team lost to the Wizards ...

On the subject of THIS team, its funny how the team is still thought of as 'old' when so many, many key pieces on the roster are under 28.   And more funny is how folks just don't seem to realize that most of the problems we've had have been with the under-performance of the _younger_ (and newer) players.

By almost all objective measures, compared either to their own careers or to their peers throughout the league, our 'Ancient Three' (KG, PP & JT) are all playing great basketball.   
Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: pearljammer10 on December 06, 2012, 01:32:28 PM
Well, this is going to be a productive and constructive thread...

It's not so bad. To save time and effort, we can all just paste in our replies from last year.

Zingah
Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: PhoSita on December 06, 2012, 06:42:23 PM

Its a long season and all teams have their ups & downs.  The better teams just have more 'ups' than 'downs'.  But even the best teams have 'down' moments.
 


All true, but my point is that it's unreasonable to hope for this team to win 60+ and go on 10-15 game winning streaks like they've done in the past.
Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: Celtics18 on December 06, 2012, 07:04:47 PM

Its a long season and all teams have their ups & downs.  The better teams just have more 'ups' than 'downs'.  But even the best teams have 'down' moments.
 


All true, but my point is that it's unreasonable to hope for this team to win 60+ and go on 10-15 game winning streaks like they've done in the past.

It's not unreasonable to expect that at all. 
Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: jdz101 on December 06, 2012, 07:12:47 PM
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Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: cman88 on December 06, 2012, 07:26:27 PM

Its a long season and all teams have their ups & downs.  The better teams just have more 'ups' than 'downs'.  But even the best teams have 'down' moments.
 


All true, but my point is that it's unreasonable to hope for this team to win 60+ and go on 10-15 game winning streaks like they've done in the past.

why not? they easily could...whats so different than last year? other than they aer younger...
Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 06, 2012, 07:46:59 PM
Age was in the back of my mind, too - especially during last season.

Then BOS went on THAT run.

Then KG went and did THIS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BUHk-HhHTs

I look forward to more heroics from him AND Paul Pierce this season and playoffs, too.

After that Hawks Co-Owner went running his trap about BOS's age, KG went on his tear, and tore ATL up, lol.

Stay tuned. More to come from this group.
Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 06, 2012, 07:53:05 PM
Not sure if my link displayed in my last post, but just search "KG vs Atlanta Hawks playoffs" on youtube. It's a 3:11 video.

This team is not over the hill.
Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: ManUp on December 06, 2012, 08:06:41 PM
If we're talking over the hill in terms of to old it's not the team, it's just Pierce and Garnett. That's not a slight to them, it's pretty amazing that they're still playing at such a high level considering they're age(Mid 30s = NBA retirement age). I have no doubt this team will post a solid record and make the play-offs, but to contend we need another all-star. We need a guy who can put up similar numbers as Pierce and Garnett to help off-set their decline.
Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: Celtics18 on December 06, 2012, 08:11:50 PM
If we're talking over the hill in terms of to old it's not the team, it's just Pierce and Garnett. That's not a slight to them, it's pretty amazing that they're still playing at such a high level considering they're age(Mid 30s = NBA retirement age). I have no doubt this team will post a solid record and make the play-offs, but to contend we need another all-star. We need a guy who can put up similar numbers as Pierce and Garnett to help off-set their decline.

Rondo won't do?
Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: ManUp on December 06, 2012, 08:37:41 PM
If we're talking over the hill in terms of to old it's not the team, it's just Pierce and Garnett. That's not a slight to them, it's pretty amazing that they're still playing at such a high level considering they're age(Mid 30s = NBA retirement age). I have no doubt this team will post a solid record and make the play-offs, but to contend we need another all-star. We need a guy who can put up similar numbers as Pierce and Garnett to help off-set their decline.

Rondo won't do?

No.

We need another all-star in addition to what we already have.
Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: ianboyextreme on December 06, 2012, 08:40:25 PM
aww heat fan trolling celtics forums?
Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on December 06, 2012, 08:43:16 PM
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Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: Kane3387 on December 06, 2012, 09:03:56 PM
Yawn...

Deja vu right? Too impulsive with these posts. Can we wait till January and february puhlease?
Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: PhoSita on December 06, 2012, 09:14:54 PM

Its a long season and all teams have their ups & downs.  The better teams just have more 'ups' than 'downs'.  But even the best teams have 'down' moments.
 


All true, but my point is that it's unreasonable to hope for this team to win 60+ and go on 10-15 game winning streaks like they've done in the past.

why not? they easily could...whats so different than last year? other than they aer younger...

It's unreasonable because they haven't been that kind of team since the fall of 2010 when they had a healthy Shaq.
Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: Celtics18 on December 07, 2012, 12:20:05 AM
If we're talking over the hill in terms of to old it's not the team, it's just Pierce and Garnett. That's not a slight to them, it's pretty amazing that they're still playing at such a high level considering they're age(Mid 30s = NBA retirement age). I have no doubt this team will post a solid record and make the play-offs, but to contend we need another all-star. We need a guy who can put up similar numbers as Pierce and Garnett to help off-set their decline.

Rondo won't do?

No.

We need another all-star in addition to what we already have.

Ah, we need four all-star caliber players to be a contender?
Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: D.o.s. on December 07, 2012, 12:59:05 AM

Its a long season and all teams have their ups & downs.  The better teams just have more 'ups' than 'downs'.  But even the best teams have 'down' moments.
 


All true, but my point is that it's unreasonable to hope for this team to win 60+ and go on 10-15 game winning streaks like they've done in the past.

why not? they easily could...whats so different than last year? other than they aer younger...

It's unreasonable because they haven't been that kind of team since the fall of 2010 when they had a healthy Shaq.

With all due respect to the current team, who I think will be fine, this is absolutely true.

That 2010 squad was monstrous at the start of the season.
Title: Re: This team is OVER the Hill.
Post by: PhoSita on December 07, 2012, 03:24:36 AM
If we're talking over the hill in terms of to old it's not the team, it's just Pierce and Garnett. That's not a slight to them, it's pretty amazing that they're still playing at such a high level considering they're age(Mid 30s = NBA retirement age). I have no doubt this team will post a solid record and make the play-offs, but to contend we need another all-star. We need a guy who can put up similar numbers as Pierce and Garnett to help off-set their decline.

Rondo won't do?

No.

We need another all-star in addition to what we already have.

Ah, we need four all-star caliber players to be a contender?

I think it's getting to the point where you might be able to have a good argument about whether or not Pierce and KG are really All-Star caliber players on a nightly basis.

Not saying they aren't, necessarily, but it's getting close.  Admittedly with KG I think it's mainly that he's playing 28 minutes a night.


Eastern All-Stars:


G - Rondo / Holiday / Lowry
G - Wade / D-Will
F - LeBron / Pierce
F - Melo / West / Garnett
B - Varejao / Bosh / Chandler

Pierce gets on there mainly because the SF position is pretty weak league-wide this year.  You've got LeBron, Durant, Melo, and then a handful of guys who are pretty good -- Pierce is at the head of that second group.  That's about it.

Garnett is a borderline add among the "big man" group, competing with guys like Joakim Noah, Al Horford, and Brook Lopez.