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Title: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Jeff on December 04, 2012, 10:15:53 AM
He's going to be on the block sooner or later.  He's dominating right now but for a terrible team.  He brings rebounding, which we sorely need.  What's that worth?

I'm fine sending out our first rounder and a matching salary.  I don't think Jeff Green & a pick would get it done though.  They'd want someone like Bradley or Sullinger but I'm loathe to include either one.

Any other realistic ideas?
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: wdleehi on December 04, 2012, 10:23:38 AM
This is the one I thought of

Green, Bass and Melo for Sideshow, Walton and CJ Miles work numbers wise. 
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Chris on December 04, 2012, 10:33:42 AM
Honestly, I can't quite wrap my head around this yet.  Unless Green starts playing like a star, I think it would take Bradley, Green(or Bass), and a first, to even get them on the phone...and I am just not sure I would do that.

I just can't wrap my head around why Cleveland would be motivated to move Varajao right now, unless they are getting blown away by an offer.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 04, 2012, 10:38:20 AM
Anyone the Cavs would ask outside of PP, KG, Rondo, Jet and Green (yes, I'm keeping Jeff Green).

If the Cavs would like anyone outside of those 5, no matter how many, a pick or two, that's a deal.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Eddie20 on December 04, 2012, 10:45:47 AM
Varejao is one guy who really fits on our team. He's a great rebounder (leading the league), and this year is even hitting cutters from the high post and consistently nailing the open mid-range J.

I would do Bass, Melo, multiple picks, and cash. If they want to dump Walton's contract too I would include Lee in order to facilitate a deal. I then would attempt to workout a buyout for Walton, in order to add a couple of vets (West & KMart), via the vet minimum, with the extra roster spots.

I hesitate to give up Bradley or Sullinger because the memories of the Johnson for Delk/Rogers deal still haunts me.


Bottom line...

Bass
Lee
Melo
Multiple Picks
3M Cash

for

Varejao
Walton
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: KGs Knee on December 04, 2012, 10:47:07 AM
If Cleveland does actually decide to explore trade offers, you can bet they're going to ask for the moon.

Varejao's trade value has skyrocketed over the last season and a half.  The question is, are there any teams willing to offer what Cleveland might be looking for or will Cleveland have to settle.

Cleveland might be inclined to just hold onto him if they feel they aren't getting fair return.  Either way, don't expect anything until after Irving returns.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Moranis on December 04, 2012, 10:47:20 AM
Anyone the Cavs would ask outside of PP, KG, Rondo, Jet and Green (yes, I'm keeping Jeff Green).

If the Cavs would like anyone outside of those 5, no matter how many, a pick or two, that's a deal.
Honestly for me the only untouchables in a deal for Andy would be PP, KG, and Rondo.  Anyone else can go, though obviously I'd like to keep Bradley.  Multiple picks wouldn't be an issue either.  If the goal for Boston is to win now then it has to add talent because this team is just not good enough.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: 2short on December 04, 2012, 10:48:02 AM
Well the reverse is if we are getting varejao
then a big is going, bass, sully or kg

kg isn't going,wilcox for that matter isn't leaving no trade clause, sully is on rookie contract so bass would make sense

bass, joseph and a pick (or 2)
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: CelticG1 on December 04, 2012, 10:56:18 AM
How much can the Cavs really expect with a fringe all star who is injury prone?

Id be willing to part with anyone outside the big 3. Depends on the package tho.

You gotta give up something g to get something. Yeah id love to keep AB but unless you want Kenyon martin, birdman you are going to have to trade pieces you really like ginger quality.

If they don't want Bradley than I think the only options besides would be if Green played like an all star and if he is playing like an all star id be more reluctant to give him up than ab
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: More Banners on December 04, 2012, 11:00:41 AM
Remember when CLE refused to give him MLE money?  hahahaha.

I don't think I give up Bradley, and I'm gettin higher and higher on Sully.  I don't move them for a 30 year old role player putting up allstar numbers on a horrid team.

I move Bass for the size upgrade, add Melo and a pick as sweeteners, and throw in $3M in cash to bribe the small market team.

But that's it.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: pearljammer10 on December 04, 2012, 11:09:52 AM
Anyone the Cavs would ask outside of PP, KG, Rondo, Jet and Green (yes, I'm keeping Jeff Green).

If the Cavs would like anyone outside of those 5, no matter how many, a pick or two, that's a deal.

Gotta agree with this one. AV would be worth any mix of role players/picks outside these five. I bet the Cavs can get a better offer from another team for him.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Yogi on December 04, 2012, 11:14:09 AM
In terms of salary, Bass would have to be included.  This also makes sense because Bass would take Varejao's minutes and vice versa.  We would also have to include incentives and filler.  Fab Melo, Kris Joseph and a  2nd round pick is probably the most we would be willing to offer. 
   Cleveland might get more from teams, but none of the contenders can offer a better package.  Varejao is worth more but I don't see who would part with more to get him.  Bass, Melo, Joseph and a good 2nd round pick is pretty good and they shed some long term salary to make a play in free agency. 
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Moranis on December 04, 2012, 11:18:34 AM
In terms of salary, Bass would have to be included.  This also makes sense because Bass would take Varejao's minutes and vice versa.  We would also have to include incentives and filler.  Fab Melo, Kris Joseph and a  2nd round pick is probably the most we would be willing to offer. 
   Cleveland might get more from teams, but none of the contenders can offer a better package.  Varejao is worth more but I don't see who would part with more to get him.  Bass, Melo, Joseph and a good 2nd round pick is pretty good and they shed some long term salary to make a play in free agency.
that is a horrible offer for Andy.  Cavs would hang up the phone and probably not take any calls from Boston for awhile.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Jeff on December 04, 2012, 11:19:45 AM
The best offer I can come up with is Jeff Green and Jared Sullinger.

But like others have said, I think they can get better value elsewhere.

I include Sully not because I don't like him, but because you have to give to get and while Sully's upside is probably All Star level, Varejao is playing like an All Star right now.

Green is the wild card.  Who knows what he'll turn out to be but he's still got a lot of upside himself.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: wdleehi on December 04, 2012, 11:22:53 AM
It all comes down to how much do the Cavs fall in love with Green.  SF is the only position they have not set themselves (whether or not those other players work out) towards the future.


But a starting lineup of

Irving
Waiters
Green
Thompson
Zeller

Might look attractive if the Celtics give them pieces to start building a strong bench.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: LooseCannon on December 04, 2012, 11:30:28 AM
He's going to be on the block sooner or later.

I disagree with that, but if he were available, I don't think you can make a realistic offer that doesn't include a likely lottery pick, something the Celtics lack.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Moranis on December 04, 2012, 11:31:25 AM
It all comes down to how much do the Cavs fall in love with Green.  SF is the only position they have not set themselves (whether or not those other players work out) towards the future.


But a starting lineup of

Irving
Waiters
Green
Thompson
Zeller

Might look attractive if the Celtics give them pieces to start building a strong bench.
Yep and while Green's contract is rather large it won't be an issue for Cleveland as they won't have a bunch of big raises until around the time Green comes off the books.

I think Green, Sullinger, Melo, and a couple of 1sts would probably gets it done and I would do that in a heartbeat (and as a buckeye fan I absolutely love JJ, you just have to give up a lot to get a player like Andy on his contract).
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: CelticG1 on December 04, 2012, 11:32:40 AM
How can they get better offers!?!?!

Seriously they are trying to trade a non all-star for a 23 year old all star or something?
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: wdleehi on December 04, 2012, 11:34:07 AM
How can they get better offers!?!?!

Seriously they are trying to trade a non all-star for a 23 year old all star or something?


Big man that plays defense and is averaging 15 and 15.


Contending teams will want him and will get in a bidding war.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: pearljammer10 on December 04, 2012, 11:40:36 AM
The best offer I can come up with is Jeff Green and Jared Sullinger.

But like others have said, I think they can get better value elsewhere.

I include Sully not because I don't like him, but because you have to give to get and while Sully's upside is probably All Star level, Varejao is playing like an All Star right now.

Green is the wild card.  Who knows what he'll turn out to be but he's still got a lot of upside himself.

This is the best likeable offer I can see the Cavs looking at as well. Unless they would want Bradley coming off their bench, but they seem set with Guards having Waiters and Irving probably both getting 40ish minutes a piece. Green fills their biggest need and could play big minutes and Sully gives them another young future piece. Unfortunately trading Green leaves us with another weakness to address, and I think the Cavs find other less questionable prospects elsewhere if they do decide to move him.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: nostar on December 04, 2012, 11:44:22 AM
This is the one I thought of

Green, Bass and Melo for Sideshow, Walton and CJ Miles work numbers wise.

I posted pretty close to this exact trade in the KMart thread earlier this morning

I remember it being reported that any deal to move Varejao might not depend on the package they get so much as if they're willing to take Luke Walton's contract.

Green/Bass/Sully
for
AV/Walton/Miles

That might do it and I'd do that trade in a second.

Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: angryguy77 on December 04, 2012, 11:50:13 AM
What Ray gave him a few years ago....
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: moiso on December 04, 2012, 11:51:43 AM
This is the one I thought of

Green, Bass and Melo for Sideshow, Walton and CJ Miles work numbers wise.

I posted pretty close to this exact trade in the KMart thread earlier this morning

I remember it being reported that any deal to move Varejao might not depend on the package they get so much as if they're willing to take Luke Walton's contract.

Green/Bass/Sully
for
AV/Walton/Miles

That might do it and I'd do that trade in a second.
If Varejao was known as durable I'd do it in a second too.  But suppose he gets hurt.  We will have 3 less big guys in what is a weakness already.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Chris on December 04, 2012, 11:55:38 AM
I remember it being reported that any deal to move Varejao might not depend on the package they get so much as if they're willing to take Luke Walton's contract.


While I don't doubt you heard that, I doubt that it is based in reality, because it makes no sense.  Walton is in the last year of his contract.  And considering Cleveland is well below the minimum salary (although I do think Baron's amnestied contract counts towards the minimum salary, so they don't have to get over it), I do not see them being so desperate to save the extra couple million dollars to the point that they would take less value for Varajao.

In fact, I think Walton's contract is a real asset for them, if they want to improve their team.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: celts55 on December 04, 2012, 11:59:02 AM
Pierce and Bradley for Varejao and Walton.

Hate to trade Bradley but I think Lee brings a lot of the same to the table. I know I'm goint to hear it, but between the playoffs last year and what I've seen this year, I rather keep a young Green the the shell of Paul Pierce past. I'd take on Walton's salery for the year to get someone, anyony who can rebound.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: CelticG1 on December 04, 2012, 12:02:08 PM
How can they get better offers!?!?!

Seriously they are trying to trade a non all-star for a 23 year old all star or something?


Big man that plays defense and is averaging 15 and 15.


Contending teams will want him and will get in a bidding war.

Well throw the averages out unless you are playing fantasy bball

If it gets into a bidding war than I want no part of it.

I still haven't heard any actual names that you think Cavs would look for.

Im just trying to wrap my head around packages including AB, Sully, Bass, Green aren't good enough.

Would they do Rondo straight up for him?

If they can't get a young all-star (seriously don't see that happening) aren't AB, Sully etc. The exact type of talent they should be looking for?
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Chris on December 04, 2012, 12:02:41 PM
This is the one I thought of

Green, Bass and Melo for Sideshow, Walton and CJ Miles work numbers wise.

I posted pretty close to this exact trade in the KMart thread earlier this morning

I remember it being reported that any deal to move Varejao might not depend on the package they get so much as if they're willing to take Luke Walton's contract.

Green/Bass/Sully
for
AV/Walton/Miles

That might do it and I'd do that trade in a second.
If Varejao was known as durable I'd do it in a second too.  But suppose he gets hurt.  We will have 3 less big guys in what is a weakness already.

And there's the rub.  I really think, unless they absolutely fall in love with Sully or Bradley, that it is going to take more than its worth to pry Varajao away.  And he is just not a reliable enough player from a health standpoint, to risk it all for. 

My prediction is that Varajao ends up in San Antonio for a deal built around Kahwi Leonard.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: wdleehi on December 04, 2012, 12:06:39 PM
How can they get better offers!?!?!

Seriously they are trying to trade a non all-star for a 23 year old all star or something?


Big man that plays defense and is averaging 15 and 15.


Contending teams will want him and will get in a bidding war.

Well throw the averages out unless you are playing fantasy bball

If it gets into a bidding war than I want no part of it.

I still haven't heard any actual names that you think Cavs would look for.

Im just trying to wrap my head around packages including AB, Sully, Bass, Green aren't good enough.

Would they do Rondo straight up for him?

If they can't get a young all-star (seriously don't see that happening) aren't AB, Sully etc. The exact type of talent they should be looking for?


Right, because the defense he plays only existed on bad teams.   ::)


He isn't being complimented all over the league for his play.  No.  Fantasy stats only.



Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on December 04, 2012, 12:08:16 PM
I think im In the minority that while I love what AV would bring to this team...I don't think its worth sacrificing a large chunk of our depth.

He is hitting the mid range decently now but he has been known to be pretty terrible offensively
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: LooseCannon on December 04, 2012, 12:11:55 PM
How can they get better offers!?!?!

Seriously they are trying to trade a non all-star for a 23 year old all star or something?

I've seen fans propose that OKC trade Kendrick Perkins, Jeremy Lamb, and a first round pick from the Raptors for Varejao.  That strikes me as on the low end of the sort of value the Cavs should try to get for Varejao.

Can the Celtics come close to matching that?
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: pearljammer10 on December 04, 2012, 12:14:59 PM
How can they get better offers!?!?!

Seriously they are trying to trade a non all-star for a 23 year old all star or something?

I've seen fans propose that OKC trade Kendrick Perkins, Jeremy Lamb, and a first round pick from the Raptors for Varejao.  That strikes me as on the low end of the sort of value the Cavs should try to get for Varejao.

Can the Celtics come close to matching that?

Nowhere near close and like you said, thats not even the best offer that Cavs could get.

How could they not get better offers for a center averaging 15 and 15?
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: BballTim on December 04, 2012, 12:20:09 PM
How can they get better offers!?!?!

Seriously they are trying to trade a non all-star for a 23 year old all star or something?


Big man that plays defense and is averaging 15 and 15.


Contending teams will want him and will get in a bidding war.

  The problem is he won't get 15 and 15 on a contending team. If your bid is based on that level of production you'll be overpaying.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: wdleehi on December 04, 2012, 01:11:48 PM
How can they get better offers!?!?!

Seriously they are trying to trade a non all-star for a 23 year old all star or something?


Big man that plays defense and is averaging 15 and 15.


Contending teams will want him and will get in a bidding war.

  The problem is he won't get 15 and 15 on a contending team. If your bid is based on that level of production you'll be overpaying.


Of course his stats will drop.


A double double with defense is not out of the question though. 
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 04, 2012, 01:29:01 PM
Maybe the Cavs want to help the Celtics beat LeBron.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: scaryjerry on December 04, 2012, 01:49:58 PM
Pretty sure everyone is overrating varejao to a laughable extent. Hes a pretty decent role player on a contender...his numbers now are irrelevant to me. Hes an extremely poor mans joakim Noah....sure id want him but it doesn't promise to make us better at all with what some are willing to give up......I bet you sullinger would make you regret it in a month  getting big minutes with the cavs
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: pearljammer10 on December 04, 2012, 01:55:08 PM
Pretty sure everyone is overrating varejao to a laughable extent. Hes a pretty decent role player on a contender...his numbers now are irrelevant to me. Hes an extremely poor mans joakim Noah....sure id want him but it doesn't promise to make us better at all with what some are willing to give up......I bet you sullinger would make you regret it this or next season getting big minutes with the cavs

Sully can get big minutes with a terrible Cavs team, Im perfectly ok with that especially if it brings back a starting big that can rebound at the caliber AV does.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: scaryjerry on December 04, 2012, 01:59:54 PM
Pretty sure everyone is overrating varejao to a laughable extent. Hes a pretty decent role player on a contender...his numbers now are irrelevant to me. Hes an extremely poor mans joakim Noah....sure id want him but it doesn't promise to make us better at all with what some are willing to give up......I bet you sullinger would make you regret it this or next season getting big minutes with the cavs

Sully can get big minutes with a terrible Cavs team, Im perfectly ok with that especially if it brings back a starting big that can rebound at the caliber AV does.

Eh...Anderson varejao is not that good. I don't give up green and sully for him but that's just me...I find it laughable some think a package of bass,lee and picks is disrespectful to the cavs then count me as one that doesn't need Anderson varejao
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 04, 2012, 02:11:02 PM
Varejao would COMPLETELY change the Celtics.

IF we could keep AVERY BRADLEY and add VAREJAO this team would be like TURBO BOOST.

These TWO guys energy would make up for the 35 yrs olds lost energy.   

Even losing Green and Bass or Sullinger .... Varejao would make you forget most of what any one of them offer....except Bass ...with his sneaky jumper. Love Sully though.

I would lean toward keeping Sully of the three .

Frankly ..... beside trading Green as first option , next I'd dump Rondo for Varejao

I think the team would go Futher with Bradley/Varejao , than Rondo /Varejao.

I would trade Rondo for Varejao and GREEn & BASS and Lee for Josh Smith or Gasol.

Adding Smith or Gasol and Varejao would FIX the Celtics inside issues.

Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: moiso on December 04, 2012, 02:46:14 PM
Pretty sure everyone is overrating varejao to a laughable extent. Hes a pretty decent role player on a contender...his numbers now are irrelevant to me. Hes an extremely poor mans joakim Noah....sure id want him but it doesn't promise to make us better at all with what some are willing to give up......I bet you sullinger would make you regret it in a month  getting big minutes with the cavs
He's pretty equivalent to Noah in my opinion when he's healthy.  But Varejao is more physical.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on December 04, 2012, 02:49:50 PM
Varejao would COMPLETELY change the Celtics.

IF we could keep AVERY BRADLEY and add VAREJAO this team would be like TURBO BOOST.

These TWO guys energy would make up for the 35 yrs olds lost energy.   

Even losing Green and Bass or Sullinger .... Varejao would make you forget most of what any one of them offer....except Bass ...with his sneaky jumper. Love Sully though.

I would lean toward keeping Sully of the three .

Frankly ..... beside trading Green as first option , next I'd dump Rondo for Varejao

I think the team would go Futher with Bradley/Varejao , than Rondo /Varejao.

I would trade Rondo for Varejao and GREEn & BASS and Lee for Josh Smith or Gasol.

Adding Smith or Gasol and Varejao would FIX the Celtics inside issues.

"Dump" rondo for varejao? Thank Jesus you're not our GM
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Yogi on December 04, 2012, 02:59:24 PM
I think it's time to shut down this thread when people are trading Rondo and Pierce for Varejao.  This has gotten way out of hand and needs to stop.  Rondo is at the very least a top 10 player in the league today.  Pierce continues to be vastly underrated but even if he took several steps back no way he's getting traded for Varejao.   The absolute MAX we trade for Varejao is Bass, Melo, Joseph and a late first round/early second round pick. 
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: dwayne celtic on December 04, 2012, 03:04:19 PM
who is this shaqattack guy what is he talking about, you would trade the best player on your team and arguable the best point guard in the league, who's still a few years away from his prime for anderson varejao, who's averaging 15/15 on a team thats still years away from the playoffs. like really ?????, the most i would give the cavs is bass+lee and picks thats it !!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: CelticG1 on December 04, 2012, 03:05:10 PM
How can they get better offers!?!?!

Seriously they are trying to trade a non all-star for a 23 year old all star or something?


Big man that plays defense and is averaging 15 and 15.


Contending teams will want him and will get in a bidding war.

Well throw the averages out unless you are playing fantasy bball

If it gets into a bidding war than I want no part of it.

I still haven't heard any actual names that you think Cavs would look for.

Im just trying to wrap my head around packages including AB, Sully, Bass, Green aren't good enough.

Would they do Rondo straight up for him?

If they can't get a young all-star (seriously don't see that happening) aren't AB, Sully etc. The exact type of talent they should be looking for?


Right, because the defense he plays only existed on bad teams.   ::)


He isn't being complimented all over the league for his play.  No.  Fantasy stats only.

Your the one talking about 15 and 15 like gms are standing around talking about his averages like they mean anything. Might as well point to Greens averages in OKC


Im just saying give me a name or give me something other than what the Celtics have isn't enough.

Has he ever been all defense or an all star? He's 30 and has been extremely injury prone. Id love tonhave him still I just find it funny people scoffing at proposed Celtics trades and then not offering up a trade of your own that you deem fair
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Fafnir on December 04, 2012, 03:07:23 PM
Refrain from attacking/discussing other posters instead of their ideas and the main topic of this thread.

Also calling for a thread to be closed because it has some posts you disagree with is needlessly antagonistic.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Yogi on December 04, 2012, 03:32:00 PM
Refrain from attacking/discussing other posters instead of their ideas and the maint topic of this thread.

Also calling for a thread to be closed because it has some posts you disagree with is needlessly antagonistic.
Was anyone was "attacked" in this thread so far?  I wasn't actually calling for the thread to be closed... or I wouldn't continue the discussion.  It was hyperbole, but I apologize if that wasn't obvious. 
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: jdz101 on December 04, 2012, 03:40:38 PM
Considering the offers from some of the posters on here you'd think Varejao and Gortat are basketball gods that are both leading their respective teams to 60 win seasons.

I get that we need a center but these guys are just reasonable players on crap teams. Someone's gotta get the stats.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: BballTim on December 04, 2012, 05:02:52 PM

I think the team would go Futher with Bradley/Varejao , than Rondo /Varejao.


  I think the team would go farther with Rondo than Bradley/Varejao.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: LooseCannon on December 04, 2012, 09:26:05 PM
If the Celtics had a top 3-protected first round pick from a team like Orlando, I would trade that pick plus Sullinger for Varejao.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Mazingerz on December 04, 2012, 09:36:33 PM
If the Celtics had a top 3-protected first round pick from a team like Orlando, I would trade that pick plus Sullinger for Varejao.

I wont do that. Sullinger will be better as the NBA years grow on him. Plus having a top 3 protected pick will net you an impact player in the future. I dont want to sell the future just for the now that Varejao may bring.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: slamtheking on December 04, 2012, 10:01:35 PM
I equate this thread to "what would you do for a Klondike Bar"
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Moranis on December 05, 2012, 04:26:26 PM
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/46313 (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/46313)

Quote
Mike (San Antonio)


Do you think Cleveland will trade Varejao while his value is high. Would a Spurs trade involving Leonard, Blair and Bonner be a good deal for both teams?
Chad Ford
  (1:23 PM)


They're open to it. But it would have to be a very good deal. Varejao is playing as well as any big man in the NBA. There is no reason to trade him unless they are getting back multiple young assets in return. He has a cap friendly contract (based on his performance this year) ... Kawhi Leonard would obviously be attractive to them, but it's going to take more than that to get an All-Star center like Varejao.

So according to Chad Ford Kawhi Leonard isn't enough to land Varejao.  The original thought added Blair and Bonnar, which I gather from Ford's tone isn't enough either.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Chris on December 05, 2012, 04:31:14 PM
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Mike (San Antonio)


Do you think Cleveland will trade Varejao while his value is high. Would a Spurs trade involving Leonard, Blair and Bonner be a good deal for both teams?
Chad Ford
  (1:23 PM)


They're open to it. But it would have to be a very good deal. Varejao is playing as well as any big man in the NBA. There is no reason to trade him unless they are getting back multiple young assets in return. He has a cap friendly contract (based on his performance this year) ... Kawhi Leonard would obviously be attractive to them, but it's going to take more than that to get an All-Star center like Varejao.

So according to Chad Ford Kawhi Leonard isn't enough to land Varejao.  The original thought added Blair and Bonnar, which I gather from Ford's tone isn't enough either.

Yup.  Which goes back to what I have been saying.  Why would they trade him?  He is signed for 2 more years at a bargain basement price.  And even if this year is a wash (which I am not sure I completely believe...they can still climb back into it), they have two more years out of him, and I would imagine they would hope to start winning games over those two years. 
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Who on December 05, 2012, 04:40:59 PM
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Mike (San Antonio)


Do you think Cleveland will trade Varejao while his value is high. Would a Spurs trade involving Leonard, Blair and Bonner be a good deal for both teams?
Chad Ford
  (1:23 PM)


They're open to it. But it would have to be a very good deal. Varejao is playing as well as any big man in the NBA. There is no reason to trade him unless they are getting back multiple young assets in return. He has a cap friendly contract (based on his performance this year) ... Kawhi Leonard would obviously be attractive to them, but it's going to take more than that to get an All-Star center like Varejao.

So according to Chad Ford Kawhi Leonard isn't enough to land Varejao.  The original thought added Blair and Bonnar, which I gather from Ford's tone isn't enough either.

Kawhi Leonard would be a good piece. I think Cleveland makes that trade.

Not sure it is worth it for San Antonio though. Seems like more of a lateral move. Lose youth without enough of a short term upgrade.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: BballTim on December 05, 2012, 04:41:24 PM
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Mike (San Antonio)


Do you think Cleveland will trade Varejao while his value is high. Would a Spurs trade involving Leonard, Blair and Bonner be a good deal for both teams?
Chad Ford
  (1:23 PM)


They're open to it. But it would have to be a very good deal. Varejao is playing as well as any big man in the NBA. There is no reason to trade him unless they are getting back multiple young assets in return. He has a cap friendly contract (based on his performance this year) ... Kawhi Leonard would obviously be attractive to them, but it's going to take more than that to get an All-Star center like Varejao.

So according to Chad Ford Kawhi Leonard isn't enough to land Varejao.  The original thought added Blair and Bonnar, which I gather from Ford's tone isn't enough either.

  According to Ford Varejao is an all-star center.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on December 05, 2012, 04:54:13 PM
Was Varejao always this good? Maybe i just wasn't paying attention but when the cavs were actually relevant i don't remember him being THIS good...
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Who on December 05, 2012, 04:56:27 PM
Was Varejao always this good? Maybe i just wasn't paying attention but when the cavs were actually relevant i don't remember him being THIS good...

Varejao is a Dale Davis level player. Has been for a long time.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: snively on December 05, 2012, 04:57:07 PM
He's on a rampage through the league - the Cavs will be asking for the moon. But everyone else in the league is going to be terrified that Varejao goes down for the season after they overpay for him.

I think there will be too much distance between the Cavs' estimation of Varejao and the available buyers' ability to pay for a bargain to be struck. 

Sadly, I predict that Varejao will spend his golden years toiling for one of the worst rosters in the league.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Moranis on December 05, 2012, 05:01:41 PM
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Mike (San Antonio)


Do you think Cleveland will trade Varejao while his value is high. Would a Spurs trade involving Leonard, Blair and Bonner be a good deal for both teams?
Chad Ford
  (1:23 PM)


They're open to it. But it would have to be a very good deal. Varejao is playing as well as any big man in the NBA. There is no reason to trade him unless they are getting back multiple young assets in return. He has a cap friendly contract (based on his performance this year) ... Kawhi Leonard would obviously be attractive to them, but it's going to take more than that to get an All-Star center like Varejao.

So according to Chad Ford Kawhi Leonard isn't enough to land Varejao.  The original thought added Blair and Bonnar, which I gather from Ford's tone isn't enough either.

  According to Ford Varejao is an all-star center.
I'm pretty sure he was referring to his play this year, you know when he is 15/15 and will easily make the all star team if he stays healthy. 
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Chris on December 05, 2012, 05:15:11 PM
He's on a rampage through the league - the Cavs will be asking for the moon. But everyone else in the league is going to be terrified that Varejao goes down for the season after they overpay for him.

I think there will be too much distance between the Cavs' estimation of Varejao and the available buyers' ability to pay for a bargain to be struck. 

Sadly, I predict that Varejao will spend his golden years toiling for one of the worst rosters in the league.

Why are they one of the worst rosters in the league?  They have one of the best young players in the league, and a ton of assets.  I really don't think Cleveland gets enough credit for the position they are in right now.  They have their superstar, and are poised to surround him with very good players.  Just give it a little time.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: LooseCannon on December 05, 2012, 05:24:30 PM
Was Varejao always this good? Maybe i just wasn't paying attention but when the cavs were actually relevant i don't remember him being THIS good...

He's the typical sort of player who gets underrated because he's not a scorer.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: LooseCannon on December 05, 2012, 05:26:09 PM
So according to Chad Ford Kawhi Leonard isn't enough to land Varejao.  The original thought added Blair and Bonnar, which I gather from Ford's tone isn't enough either.

I think the claim that the Cavs would want multiple young assets is a reasonable one.  It is reasonable to think that Cleveland would hold out for that level of return and it is reasonable to think that Cleveland should hold out for that level of return.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Chris on December 05, 2012, 05:31:49 PM
So according to Chad Ford Kawhi Leonard isn't enough to land Varejao.  The original thought added Blair and Bonnar, which I gather from Ford's tone isn't enough either.

I think the claim that the Cavs would want multiple young assets is a reasonable one.  It is reasonable to think that Cleveland would hold out for that level of return and it is reasonable to think that Cleveland should hold out for that level of return.

Right.  Because the question isn't "what is Anderson Varajao worth", it is "what will it take to convince Cleveland to give up Anderson Varajao?"

I think a lot of times, live by the assumption that any team not 10 games above .500 is desperate to get rid of any player above 25 years old.  And that just isn't how it works.  Cleveland is in a position of power, where they have no need to trade Varajao this season, so they can ask for the moon for him, if a team is desperate to have him.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: BballTim on December 05, 2012, 05:40:23 PM
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Mike (San Antonio)


Do you think Cleveland will trade Varejao while his value is high. Would a Spurs trade involving Leonard, Blair and Bonner be a good deal for both teams?
Chad Ford
  (1:23 PM)


They're open to it. But it would have to be a very good deal. Varejao is playing as well as any big man in the NBA. There is no reason to trade him unless they are getting back multiple young assets in return. He has a cap friendly contract (based on his performance this year) ... Kawhi Leonard would obviously be attractive to them, but it's going to take more than that to get an All-Star center like Varejao.

So according to Chad Ford Kawhi Leonard isn't enough to land Varejao.  The original thought added Blair and Bonnar, which I gather from Ford's tone isn't enough either.

  According to Ford Varejao is an all-star center.
I'm pretty sure he was referring to his play this year, you know when he is 15/15 and will easily make the all star team if he stays healthy.

  I'm sure that's the hope, that putting up good numbers on a bad team will get him the nod. I just think that referring to a player in his 30s who's never made an all-star team as an all star is fairly ignorant.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Who on December 05, 2012, 05:45:40 PM
He's on a rampage through the league - the Cavs will be asking for the moon. But everyone else in the league is going to be terrified that Varejao goes down for the season after they overpay for him.

I think there will be too much distance between the Cavs' estimation of Varejao and the available buyers' ability to pay for a bargain to be struck. 

Sadly, I predict that Varejao will spend his golden years toiling for one of the worst rosters in the league.

Why are they one of the worst rosters in the league?  They have one of the best young players in the league, and a ton of assets.  I really don't think Cleveland gets enough credit for the position they are in right now.  They have their superstar, and are poised to surround him with very good players.  Just give it a little time.

Starters

Cleveland has a star PG in the making in Kyrie Irving and an above average starting big man in Varejao (30 years old, only played a combined 56 games in last two seasons). .

Their other three starters (Waiters, Gee, T.Thompson) are amongst the worst in the league at their positions. Tristan Thompson is an amazing athlete with little to no basketball skills. Dion Waiters is struggling mightily to create offense (36% FG%). Alonzo Gee lacks the size/athleticism and skill-level to make it as a starting SF in the league.

There is some potential there with Thompson and Waiters but neither look like sure-things at this point. Alonzo Gee is a solid bench player who is being asked to fill too large a role.

Bench

Little of note on the bench - Jeremy Pargo, Daniel Gibson, CJ Miles, Omri Casspi, Sandro Samuels, Tyler Zeller, Jon Leuer.

One of the worst benches in the league.

Overall

This is a weak team with a lot of uncertainty about it's future (outside of Kyrie Irving).
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: CelticG1 on December 05, 2012, 05:47:46 PM
What's this Varejaos second year as a starter in the league?

Good job! Good effort!
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: scaryjerry on December 05, 2012, 06:22:04 PM
Yeah lets trade a franchise player in rondo for a role player  8)  gotta love it!
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Moranis on December 05, 2012, 06:46:24 PM
He's on a rampage through the league - the Cavs will be asking for the moon. But everyone else in the league is going to be terrified that Varejao goes down for the season after they overpay for him.

I think there will be too much distance between the Cavs' estimation of Varejao and the available buyers' ability to pay for a bargain to be struck. 

Sadly, I predict that Varejao will spend his golden years toiling for one of the worst rosters in the league.

Why are they one of the worst rosters in the league?  They have one of the best young players in the league, and a ton of assets.  I really don't think Cleveland gets enough credit for the position they are in right now.  They have their superstar, and are poised to surround him with very good players.  Just give it a little time.

Starters

Cleveland has a star PG in the making in Kyrie Irving and an above average starting big man in Varejao (30 years old, only played a combined 56 games in last two seasons). .

Their other three starters (Waiters, Gee, T.Thompson) are amongst the worst in the league at their positions. Tristan Thompson is an amazing athlete with little to no basketball skills. Dion Waiters is struggling mightily to create offense (36% FG%). Alonzo Gee lacks the size/athleticism and skill-level to make it as a starting SF in the league.

There is some potential there with Thompson and Waiters but neither look like sure-things at this point. Alonzo Gee is a solid bench player who is being asked to fill too large a role.

Bench

Little of note on the bench - Jeremy Pargo, Daniel Gibson, CJ Miles, Omri Casspi, Sandro Samuels, Tyler Zeller, Jon Leuer.

One of the worst benches in the league.

Overall

This is a weak team with a lot of uncertainty about it's future (outside of Kyrie Irving).
I don't think you are giving their young guys (outside of Irving of course) enough credit.  Thompson looks like he is the 4th best player from his draft (Irving, Faried, Valanciunas) and is getting better.  Waiters looks like he will be a scoring monster.  He is inefficient, but he is also a rookie playing a lot of minutes with a big role on his team.  That is not easy.  Zeller looks pretty good in his limited role.  Boobie Gibson is still only 26. 

I think if Irving can get and stay healthy he just makes that team, but they have some guys who like legit.  Couple that with the high draft pick they will have this year (along with Miami's and their own very high 2nd), so they appear headed to Cody Zeller, Nerlens Noel, or one of the top tier guard/wings, so they should add that one other piece they will need. 

Couple that with the hugely valuable asset that is Varejao, who they will move at some point in the next year, and I think they should be a pretty solid team in 3 years or so.  In fact if they could add Leonard, Blair, and Bonnar for Varejao (the trade discussed by Chad Ford), that sets them at PG, SG, SF, and PF.  Say they add Noel, that sets them at center with some solid young players on the bench (Zeller, Blair, Gee, Casspi, Gibson). 

I think they are positioned fairly well and they will have a lot of cap room the next couple of summers in which they could add a star. 
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: LooseCannon on December 05, 2012, 07:02:19 PM
I think they are positioned fairly well and they will have a lot of cap room the next couple of summers in which they could add a star.

Maybe they can blow that cap space on a Bynum overpay.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 05, 2012, 08:32:55 PM
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What's this Varejaos second year as a starter in the league?

You wish, he has started several years and truth be told played many of the minutes when Z was there when it mattered.

He does get hurt a lot but he always killed us with his size and mobility.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: CelticG1 on December 05, 2012, 08:37:46 PM
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What's this Varejaos second year as a starter in the league?

You wish, he has started several years and truth be told played many of the minutes when Z was there when it mattered.

He does get hurt a lot but he always killed us with his size and mobility.

Prooooooooooooove ittttt
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: mgent on December 05, 2012, 10:15:41 PM
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What's this Varejaos second year as a starter in the league?

You wish, he has started several years and truth be told played many of the minutes when Z was there when it mattered.

He does get hurt a lot but he always killed us with his size and mobility.
I don't know about that, he was used in at least the vast majority of his games as an energy guy off the bench.

He did finish many games, but typically over bad foul shooters like Wallace and Shaq.  Big Z was an 80% shooter and pretty firmly ahead of Varejao in the rotation until he turned 34/35 or so.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Moranis on December 06, 2012, 09:15:25 AM
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What's this Varejaos second year as a starter in the league?

You wish, he has started several years and truth be told played many of the minutes when Z was there when it mattered.

He does get hurt a lot but he always killed us with his size and mobility.
Andy has missed a lot of games the last 2 years, but was essentially healthy until then and rarely missed games.  That isn't a great sign, but he seems to have fully recovered from his ailments.  He isn't like Shaq or even Rondo in the injury department, you know guys that miss 10-15 games every single year.  I think you could make an argument he is like a Rik Smits type player, you know a guy that was generally healthy then had a 2 year stint where he missed a ton of games, but then came back healthy to finish his career (you know that is of course if Andy stays healthy this year).
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Fafnir on December 06, 2012, 09:30:39 AM
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What's this Varejaos second year as a starter in the league?

You wish, he has started several years and truth be told played many of the minutes when Z was there when it mattered.

He does get hurt a lot but he always killed us with his size and mobility.
Andy has missed a lot of games the last 2 years, but was essentially healthy until then and rarely missed games.  That isn't a great sign, but he seems to have fully recovered from his ailments.  He isn't like Shaq or even Rondo in the injury department, you know guys that miss 10-15 games every single year.  I think you could make an argument he is like a Rik Smits type player, you know a guy that was generally healthy then had a 2 year stint where he missed a ton of games, but then came back healthy to finish his career (you know that is of course if Andy stays healthy this year).
If you're making the case AV could bounce back and be healthy after two iffy years why is Rondo often injured compared to him? (aka a worse injury risk than AV)

06-07 78 games
07-08 77 games
08-09 80 games
09-10 81 games
10-11 68 games
11-12 53 games
12-13 15 games

He's had two healthier years than AV, and a similar "healthy" track record before that.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: scaryjerry on December 06, 2012, 09:30:54 AM
Why are people calling him andy like hes a personal friend?

Decent role player, that's it
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Fafnir on December 06, 2012, 09:32:44 AM
Why are people calling him andy like hes a personal friend?

Decent role player, that's it
Because Andy is easier to type than Varejao.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: wdleehi on December 06, 2012, 09:34:06 AM
Why are people calling him andy like hes a personal friend?

Decent role player, that's it
Because Andy is easier to type than Varejao.


That's why I go Sideshow.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Chris on December 06, 2012, 09:37:53 AM
He's on a rampage through the league - the Cavs will be asking for the moon. But everyone else in the league is going to be terrified that Varejao goes down for the season after they overpay for him.

I think there will be too much distance between the Cavs' estimation of Varejao and the available buyers' ability to pay for a bargain to be struck. 

Sadly, I predict that Varejao will spend his golden years toiling for one of the worst rosters in the league.

Why are they one of the worst rosters in the league?  They have one of the best young players in the league, and a ton of assets.  I really don't think Cleveland gets enough credit for the position they are in right now.  They have their superstar, and are poised to surround him with very good players.  Just give it a little time.

Starters

Cleveland has a star PG in the making in Kyrie Irving and an above average starting big man in Varejao (30 years old, only played a combined 56 games in last two seasons). .

Their other three starters (Waiters, Gee, T.Thompson) are amongst the worst in the league at their positions. Tristan Thompson is an amazing athlete with little to no basketball skills. Dion Waiters is struggling mightily to create offense (36% FG%). Alonzo Gee lacks the size/athleticism and skill-level to make it as a starting SF in the league.

There is some potential there with Thompson and Waiters but neither look like sure-things at this point. Alonzo Gee is a solid bench player who is being asked to fill too large a role.

Bench

Little of note on the bench - Jeremy Pargo, Daniel Gibson, CJ Miles, Omri Casspi, Sandro Samuels, Tyler Zeller, Jon Leuer.

One of the worst benches in the league.

Overall

This is a weak team with a lot of uncertainty about it's future (outside of Kyrie Irving).

"Roster" was a bad choice of words.  Yeah, they do have a terrible roster.  But unlike many other bad rosters, they have the means to quickly become a very good roster.  They have more movable assets (good contracts, young talented players, cap space, draft picks) than just about any team in the league, and they have a potential superstar already on their roster. 

While they are not good right now, with a couple smart moves, they could make a VERY quick turnaround.  I think they have a better shot at being a top 4 team in the East within 2 years, than a large portion of the conference. 
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Fafnir on December 06, 2012, 09:39:31 AM
The Cav's potential is tied up in Waiters/Thompson, do they develop and become impact players.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: LooseCannon on December 06, 2012, 09:43:25 AM
While they are not good right now, with a couple smart moves, they could make a VERY quick turnaround.  I think they have a better shot at being a top 4 team in the East within 2 years, than a large portion of the conference.

With their cap space, all they need is a max contract-level talent who wants to play in Cleveland.  That shouldn't be too hard to find, right?
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: scaryjerry on December 06, 2012, 09:48:29 AM
Why are people calling him andy like hes a personal friend?

Decent role player, that's it
Because Andy is easier to type than Varejao.

Pretty sure he goes by Anderson for a reason

Av seems simple.....do we call kg kev? Or his sideshow twin joakim Noah joak?

I just don't think anyone here knows varejao to be calling him andy
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Fafnir on December 06, 2012, 09:51:27 AM
Why are people calling him andy like hes a personal friend?

Decent role player, that's it
Because Andy is easier to type than Varejao.

Pretty sure he goes by Anderson for a reason

Av seems simple.....do we call kg kev?
His own coach calls him Andy, if you listen to the game broadcast other players on the court call him Andy when they want the ball or his attention. Sportscenter anchors and the like will call him Andy, I don't get your hangup on this.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: scaryjerry on December 06, 2012, 09:54:05 AM
Why are people calling him andy like hes a personal friend?

Decent role player, that's it
Because Andy is easier to type than Varejao.

Pretty sure he goes by Anderson for a reason

Av seems simple.....do we call kg kev?
His own coach calls him Andy, if you listen to the game broadcast other players on the court call him Andy when they want the ball or his attention. Sportscenter anchors and the like will call him Andy, I don't get your hangup on this.


They're his teammates and friends? I don't think sportscenter anchors should be calling him andy either.
That said my biggest gripe or hang up is how overrated he is here. My god.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Chris on December 06, 2012, 09:55:30 AM
Why are people calling him andy like hes a personal friend?

Decent role player, that's it
Because Andy is easier to type than Varejao.

Pretty sure he goes by Anderson for a reason

Av seems simple.....do we call kg kev?
His own coach calls him Andy, if you listen to the game broadcast other players on the court call him Andy when they want the ball or his attention. Sportscenter anchors and the like will call him Andy, I don't get your hangup on this.


They're his teammates and friends? I don't think sportscenter anchors should be calling him andy either.

So no more Shaq either?
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: scaryjerry on December 06, 2012, 09:59:05 AM
Why are people calling him andy like hes a personal friend?

Decent role player, that's it
Because Andy is easier to type than Varejao.

Pretty sure he goes by Anderson for a reason

Av seems simple.....do we call kg kev?
His own coach calls him Andy, if you listen to the game broadcast other players on the court call him Andy when they want the ball or his attention. Sportscenter anchors and the like will call him Andy, I don't get your hangup on this.


They're his teammates and friends? I don't think sportscenter anchors should be calling him andy either.

So no more Shaq, or Kobe, or Lebron, either?

Shaq was a superstar and it made sense..he was a household name. Varejao is a decent role player who goes by Anderson. I didn't realize Kobe or lebron were shortened versions of their name? Oh yeah they're not but I'm glad we are comparing a borderline scrub to 3 hall of famers
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Chris on December 06, 2012, 10:04:42 AM
Why are people calling him andy like hes a personal friend?

Decent role player, that's it
Because Andy is easier to type than Varejao.

Pretty sure he goes by Anderson for a reason

Av seems simple.....do we call kg kev?
His own coach calls him Andy, if you listen to the game broadcast other players on the court call him Andy when they want the ball or his attention. Sportscenter anchors and the like will call him Andy, I don't get your hangup on this.


They're his teammates and friends? I don't think sportscenter anchors should be calling him andy either.

So no more Shaq, or Kobe, or Lebron, either?

Shaq was a superstar and it made sense..he was a household name. Varejao is a decent role player who goes by Anderson. I didn't realize Kobe or lebron were shortened versions of their name? Oh yeah they're not

No offense, but how about we let Andy complain about it.  It seems a bit ridiculous to be offended by something like this, when he has never said anything against it. 

People call athletes by nicknames all the time. 
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: indeedproceed on December 06, 2012, 10:41:13 AM
While Andy seems like a tempramental guy, he'd fit in well in Boston.

I remember once, when me and Andy had gone out fishin down to the holler, and he says to me he says, 'Indy, I gotta tell you, if I could play for one basketball team, it'd be Boston. I just have so much respect for Kev, and Raj, and Jase, and Jare, and Dan, and Doc and Paul, I just think I'd take to that like a crawfish in applesauce."

And I looked at him in his precious eyes and I said, "You sure would, Andy. You sure would."

But to answer the OP's question, probably not enough for Cleveland. I wouldn't trade Rondo, Pierce, Bradley, or Garnett for Varejao, so I have to think its a non-starter.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: Roy H. on December 06, 2012, 10:43:18 AM
(http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/anderson-varejao-cavaliers.jpg)

I'd love the guy here.  I'd move anybody other than our current "big three" for him.  I'd be reluctant to include Bradley, but would move Sully without hesitation.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 06, 2012, 11:09:34 AM
For the Celtics Varejao would be an instant impact player. He already plays balls to wall 100% and is used to EAST COAST banging with likes of Noah.

Can't trade Pierce or KG.  Its hard to give up Bradley, Sully or Rondo  the future.  I don't think they would take Bass and Lee for Varejao ...I wouldn't .   

Unless DA is willing to give up some sort Rondo , Sully or Bradley deal , I doubt they would bite.

Still , it would nice to add , Varrejao, Gasol or JSmooth ...  just believe the C's need this extra high grade big man to muscle past the Knicks , Nets and Pacers/




   
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: perks-a-beast on December 06, 2012, 11:35:43 AM
Sully,Lee, Melo and a first for Varejao and a throw in works for both sides. Seems like alot to give up from the Celtics point of view but Danny seems too intent on getting the big three another title not to make a trade like that.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: scaryjerry on December 06, 2012, 12:32:52 PM
Hes not even a Reggie Evans. Who I will now start calling reg and ill call gortat Marc....I just find it funny celtics fans are drooling over a decent role player...some willing to give up rondo and addressing him like hes a household name kind of talent. Reminds me of when we signed lee (who of course ill start calling court) and you'd think it was a prime Michael Jordan.
Title: Re: what would you give up for Anderson Varejao?
Post by: AB_Celtic on December 06, 2012, 12:37:52 PM
Lee, Sullinger, and Melo works money-wise I think.

Cleveland isn't a win-now team. They want youth and potential so they can make a run in a few years.

We are a win-now team. To win now, we have to give up some of our potential, and I'm okay with that.