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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: rondohondo on December 03, 2012, 05:21:21 AM
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As Cleveland Cavaliers forward Anderson Varejao continues to put up big numbers, his rise has left the organization in a difficult position. The Cavaliers are battling a question: Should we trade him or keep him?
“If he’s available, it goes without saying a lot of teams will want in,” one executive said. “He would be the top target.”
If the Cavaliers decide to trade Varejao, they want young, elite-level talent with high upside in return. Still, given the way the 30-year-old has blossomed over the past two seasons, Cleveland could very well be smart to keep him and his reasonable contract in the fold.
Across the NBA, players and coaches have had high praise for Varejao. Just last week, LeBron James said he’s been impressed with Varejao’s development.
“I think he’s probably more offensive-minded now,” Memphis Grizzlies coach Lionel Hollins said. “They play through him a lot more, so he has a lot more opportunities.
Varejao is averaging 15.1 points, 15.3 rebounds and 3.3 assists and is considered an All-Star candidate this season.
Via Jason Lloyd/Akron Beacon Journal
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/224773/Executive_Varejao_%EF%BF%BDThe_Top_Target%EF%BF%BD_If_Available
wonder if the cavs would consider bradley an elite talent with a lot of potential?
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PG: Kyrie Irving
SG: Dion Waiters
I doubt the Cavs have much interest in Avery Bradley.
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I thought their priority was shedding luke walton's salary aswell?
These reports be conflicting.....
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I doubt the Cavs have much interest in Avery Bradley.
No but I bet they would like Sully, him being an OSU guy.
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Would you do AB, Sully and a 1st?????
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I doubt the Cavs have much interest in Avery Bradley.
No but I bet they would like Sully, him being an OSU guy.
Not for Varejao.
They passed on Sully twice in the draft. Once in the high lottery and once at #17 where they took Tyler Zeller. They may like Sully but they clearly do not rate him highly enough to part with Varejao.
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PG: Kyrie Irving
SG: Dion Waiters
I doubt the Cavs have much interest in Avery Bradley.
I agree. But they would scarff Sullinger a heartbeat.
Wonder if Danny would trade RONDO for Varejao , then we could keep AB , Sully and FaB
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As great as Varejao has been, they're not going to get an elite prospect with All-Star potential for him. The kind of team that wants Varejao is a team on the verge of being a contender (e.g. the Celtics).
Teams like that don't tend to have elite prospects to give up.
One interesting possibility:
OKC trade Perkins + Jeremy Lamb + Toronto 1st Round Pick for Varejao.
The Thunder would be absurd with Varejao playing next to Serge in the frontcourt.
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The best bait the Celtics have is still Green if he keeps playing the way he is.
The Cavs have young players at PG, SG, PF and C. They need a SF.
Green, Bass and Melo for Sideshow, Walton and CJ Miles work numbers wise.
Really depends on how much they would value Green and Melo. (Melo could easily be replaced by Sully)
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PG: Kyrie Irving
SG: Dion Waiters
I doubt the Cavs have much interest in Avery Bradley.
Wonder if Danny would trade RONDO for Varejao
How would KG, Paul and the rest of the guys react to that I wonder?
If you want to annihilate chemistry thatd be the quickest way to do it.
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As great as Varejao has been, they're not going to get an elite prospect with All-Star potential for him. The kind of team that wants Varejao is a team on the verge of being a contender (e.g. the Celtics).
Teams like that don't tend to have elite prospects to give up.
One interesting possibility:
OKC trade Perkins + Jeremy Lamb + Toronto 1st Round Pick for Varejao.
The Thunder would be absurd with Varejao playing next to Serge in the frontcourt.
Thats an amazing trade for the Thunder, however the Cavs are pretty young at the guard spots already so Im not sure where Lamb would fit in.
The best bait the Celtics have is still Green if he keeps playing the way he is.
The Cavs have young players at PG, SG, PF and C. They need a SF.
Green, Bass and Melo for Sideshow, Walton and CJ Miles work numbers wise.
Really depends on how much they would value Green and Melo. (Melo could easily be replaced by Sully)
I make that trade in a minute regardless of whether they want Sully or Melo. I would hate to have Walton as our backup three though. I am a big Green supporter so it would be tough to see him go especially for two players I hate (Walton and AV) but this would be a no brainer deal.
Rondo/Lee/Barbosa
Bradley/Terry/Miles
Pierce/Lee/Walton
KG/Sully or Wilcox (depending on trade)
AV/Wilcox
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PG: Kyrie Irving
SG: Dion Waiters
I doubt the Cavs have much interest in Avery Bradley.
Wonder if Danny would trade RONDO for Varejao
How would KG, Paul and the rest of the guys react to that I wonder?
If you want to annihilate chemistry thatd be the quickest way to do it.
I am not sure if the Rondo for Varejao idea is a joke, but if Danny did that, I would have to take a long break from the Celtics. Just the other day, nbatv had a poll of who you would rather have - CP3 or Rondo. I didn't actually see the results of this poll, but the mere fact that it was even debatable shows that Rondo is quite valuable around the league. Rondo for Kyrie and Varejao - possibly, but no way in fh is Varejao even on Rondo's planet.
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What is young elite talent with upside?
Does AB fit in that category (even if they don't want him)?
If it is AB level players that makes sense otherwise what type of player do they really think they can get?
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His numbers are puffed up because he's a great rebounder without any help inside. They are puffing his numbers to increase his trade value- They're running plays for him repeatedly to get a lottery pick out of him.
He's a great rebounder.
On the subject of great rebounders, can anyone here imagine what Zac Randolphs rebounding numbers would be if Marc Gasol wasn't on his team?
Wow.
Sullinger is going to be a legendary rebounder in my opinion. He's much better than I thought he'd be and he's gonna keep losing weight and increasing his jump.
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PG: Kyrie Irving
SG: Dion Waiters
I doubt the Cavs have much interest in Avery Bradley.
Even if they didn't have those guys, I doubt they would consider Bradley elite level talent.
Varajao has been one of the best defensive big men in the game for a while now, and now the rest of his numbers are catching up. He is Joakhim Noah with a smaller contract, and a less detestable hairdo.
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The best bait the Celtics have is still Green if he keeps playing the way he is.
The Cavs have young players at PG, SG, PF and C. They need a SF.
Green, Bass and Melo for Sideshow, Walton and CJ Miles work numbers wise.
Really depends on how much they would value Green and Melo. (Melo could easily be replaced by Sully)
By the time Green and Bass are tradable, Walton's contract is nearing its end. I suspect they'd rather have flexibility than Bass.
My point: If Green is indeed playing well and desirable, you could make it Sideshow and change (Casspi seems to make the most sense from a $ perspective) for Green, Melo and picks, cash, etc.
This would leave the Cs with a little more breathing room from the lux tax to add another player or two as FAs this season.
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The best bait the Celtics have is still Green if he keeps playing the way he is.
The Cavs have young players at PG, SG, PF and C. They need a SF.
Green, Bass and Melo for Sideshow, Walton and CJ Miles work numbers wise.
Really depends on how much they would value Green and Melo. (Melo could easily be replaced by Sully)
By the time Green and Bass are tradable, Walton's contract is nearing its end. I suspect they'd rather have flexibility than Bass.
My point: If Green is indeed playing well and desirable, you could make it Sideshow and change (Casspi seems to make the most sense from a $ perspective) for Green, Melo and picks, cash, etc.
This would leave the Cs with a little more breathing room from the lux tax to add another player or two as FAs this season.
I only included him because of a rumor that the Cavs want the other team to take him.
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The best bait the Celtics have is still Green if he keeps playing the way he is.
The Cavs have young players at PG, SG, PF and C. They need a SF.
Green, Bass and Melo for Sideshow, Walton and CJ Miles work numbers wise.
Really depends on how much they would value Green and Melo. (Melo could easily be replaced by Sully)
By the time Green and Bass are tradable, Walton's contract is nearing its end. I suspect they'd rather have flexibility than Bass.
My point: If Green is indeed playing well and desirable, you could make it Sideshow and change (Casspi seems to make the most sense from a $ perspective) for Green, Melo and picks, cash, etc.
This would leave the Cs with a little more breathing room from the lux tax to add another player or two as FAs this season.
I only included him because of a rumor that the Cavs want the other team to take him.
Yep I get it. Just saying I doubt they'd want Bass for an expiring contract of that size in late January.
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One interesting possibility:
OKC trade Perkins + Jeremy Lamb + Toronto 1st Round Pick for Varejao.
The Thunder would be absurd with Varejao playing next to Serge in the frontcourt.
Good call. Though I'd love to get him on the Cs, the Thunder would be a near perfect landing spot for him. I wouldn't mind seeing that, as I kind of like both the Thunder and Varajao.
If they could turn that haul they got from Houston into Varajao and keep Martin, that Harden trade by Presti could be looking like pure gold in the end. Varajao has endured a lot of "Sideshow Bob" types of ridicule over the years, but he's a [dang]ed good player that any team would love to have.
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As great as Varejao has been, they're not going to get an elite prospect with All-Star potential for him. The kind of team that wants Varejao is a team on the verge of being a contender (e.g. the Celtics).
Teams like that don't tend to have elite prospects to give up.
One interesting possibility:
OKC trade Perkins + Jeremy Lamb + Toronto 1st Round Pick for Varejao.
The Thunder would be absurd with Varejao playing next to Serge in the frontcourt.
Thats an amazing trade for the Thunder, however the Cavs are pretty young at the guard spots already so Im not sure where Lamb would fit in.
Lamb isn't the prize per se, it's the lottery pick from the Raptors, who so far have one of the worst records in the league this season.
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As great as Varejao has been, they're not going to get an elite prospect with All-Star potential for him. The kind of team that wants Varejao is a team on the verge of being a contender (e.g. the Celtics).
Teams like that don't tend to have elite prospects to give up.
One interesting possibility:
OKC trade Perkins + Jeremy Lamb + Toronto 1st Round Pick for Varejao.
The Thunder would be absurd with Varejao playing next to Serge in the frontcourt.
Yeah this is pretty scary. TP.
This looks like an unusually sensible NBA trade to me. Could be Jones if not Lamb, or both. And they might even want to get rid of that pick in a weak draft considering the cap number against it for 2013+. CLE would also be an excellent landing spot for Perk if he's traded.
The only issue -- I think OKC needs to shed some $$$ (thus the talk of a Perk amnesty and the Harden trade). Could be that they need to ask CLE to take back something else to assure they can keep Westbrook, Durant, Ibaka and Sideshow together long term. So they might even desire than both Lamb and Jones go to CLE in the deal....
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Can anyone think of elite level young talent?
I don't see it matching up with Varejao.
And someone mentioned AB not fitting that description. If he doesn't who does? The Cabs aren't getting a 20-23 year old all-star for Varejao of that's what they are thinking
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Can anyone think of elite level young talent?
I don't see it matching up with Varejao.
And someone mentioned AB not fitting that description. If he doesn't who does? The Cabs aren't getting a 20-23 year old all-star for Varejao of that's what they are thinking
Again, the best answer I can come up with is the (sure to be) lottery pick from the Raptors that the Thunder have coupled with a contract like Collison or (more likely) Perkins.
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I think the Cavs would take Bass+Sully+Bradley for Verajao.
Or Bass+Melo+pick+Bradley.
They would like a lottery pick but the closest I think they come is that Toronto pick from OKC which is a very good idea.
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PG: Kyrie Irving
SG: Dion Waiters
I doubt the Cavs have much interest in Avery Bradley.
yeah but Dion Waiters is a 6th man, manu ginobli type player.... Cleveland can start Avery Bradley and have Dion Waiters be a high scoring 6th man
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The goal for the Cavs should be to acquire players who have the potential to equal Varejao's current production in 2015-2016 while still being on a rookie scale contract then. The Cavs really shouldn't be talking about trades with any team that can't offer that time-shifting of talent to build around Irving's prime years.
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I just don't see how Ainge could pull it off. We don't have the pieces.
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Wonder if Danny would trade RONDO for Varejao , then we could keep AB , Sully and FaB
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Uh lets hope not