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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: KG Living Legend on December 03, 2012, 01:42:36 AM
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I want my Baby back, Baby back, Just curious to see what the conciseness is out there, now that we have a large sample size of Bass vs Baby. although Bass looked like a steal last year, overall I'd take the Big Baby now. Thoughts?
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Glen Davis didn't have room here to be him. He needed to spread his wings and have a go without KG and the long and fickle memory of Celtics fans dissecting everything he did. I'm good without him here and Im happy he found a place that'll let him take his maturity and his game to a new level.
Bass, Im still a believer in.
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I want my Baby back, Baby back, Just curious to see what the conciseness is out there, now that we have a large sample size of Bass vs Baby. although Bass looked like a steal last year, overall I'd take the Big Baby now. Thoughts?
Baby's numbers are inflated because he is a leader/big shot taker on a pretty poor team...He is taking double the shots than his career average this year.
Not to say he isnt playing well, but his numbers are definitely different because he is a big dog now.
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No Baby, thanks.
That said, Bass needs to come off the bench, but that'd give us some rotations problems, so for now it is what it is.
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As depressing as it sounds Big Baby is actually a big part of the offence in Orlando. Bring the exact same player he is now into Boston again.. Guarentee his numbers go down because he would be 4-5 option on the floor.
Similar to why Landry wouldnt produce same numbers if he came here
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We're aware that he's shooting 42% from the field right? Pretty much ties his career low (last year).
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Glen Davis divorce was much needed for both parties. Celtics got a player who fit their system better. And Davis gets to be featured on a young team where he gets to play through his mistakes.
How about that block on Pau Gasol?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWX2G6svcqI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWX2G6svcqI)
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davis is jacking shots like kobe in orlando
no thanks, we have a team player
someone insert the video of davis shooting a three and doc saying over and over
" a three, a three"
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Baby is happier were he can be "the man" and contributes heavily (no pun intended) to his team on offense . I'm alot happier watchng Bass as a Celtic than Davis.
IMO celtics need a young healthy true center that can play NOW to help KG. I miss what Perk bought to tthe team more than Davis.
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Davis is showing his limitations while being thrust into a big role results in "larger" box scores.
Still an inefficient jump shooter, iffy defender due to the length (though he does work hard positionally to take charges), and a limited rebounder (he's getting more than on the C's due to playing C position full time and less competition on the defensive glass)
Bass is a lot more useful as a floor spacer who isn't asked to do a lot other than that offensively.
TS% under .500 while having a usage of 25? Yuck.
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Not me!
Davis is rebounding more now that he plays at center, but still not enough considering how close to the basket he plays. He still gives up a ton defensively, especially as a center, since he's supposed to anchor the defense. He's blocking shots, which is surprising, but he's still shooting closer to 40% than 50%, which is also unacceptable for a center.
Still profiles as a guy who should be playing a backup role but thinks he's a star.
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Happy that BBD and the Magic beat the Dwight Howard Lakers last night, but still don't want BBD back in Boston.
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Good riddance
Bass all day
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Bass all day....Bass all the way.
Baby loves to shoot....let him keep his talents where the sun shines year round....
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Bass 101 times out of 100. Baby is just a dumb basketball player. His shot selection is hilarious and he gets blocked waaaay too often. Bass all the way.
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I'll take BBD. Bass, to me, is too wimpy. A guy with his athletic ability and body should be mixing it up all the time. Instead, we get one or two aggressive plays a game (if we're lucky) and the rest of the time, he's a mid-range jump shooter who stands around under his own basket half the time while the other team crashes the offensive boards.
I do agree that Bass needs to go back to his role as bench PF. One thing that BBD has in his favor is that he was an effective bench player who could actually perform better as a starter, like he showed when he filled in for KG in the playoffs a few seasons ago. Bass to me is a below average starter at PF.
Baby is taking a lot of shots in Orlando, and his shooting percentage is down, but he's on a rebuilding team with very inexperienced bigs, and he's doing his best to hold things down while the young bigs figure things out.
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I'll take BBD. Bass, to me, is too wimpy. A guy with his athletic ability and body should be mixing it up all the time. Instead, we get one or two aggressive plays a game (if we're lucky) and the rest of the time, he's a mid-range jump shooter who stands around under his own basket half the time while the other team crashes the offensive boards.
I do agree that Bass needs to go back to his role as bench PF. One thing that BBD has in his favor is that he was an effective bench player who could actually perform better as a starter, like he showed when he filled in for KG in the playoffs a few seasons ago. Bass to me is a below average starter at PF.
Baby is taking a lot of shots in Orlando, and his shooting percentage is down, but he's on a rebuilding team with very inexperienced bigs, and he's doing his best to hold things down while the young bigs figure things out.
If "playing within you role" is wimpy, then give me the wimp over the guy who wants to be a hero.
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I'll take BBD. Bass, to me, is too wimpy. A guy with his athletic ability and body should be mixing it up all the time. Instead, we get one or two aggressive plays a game (if we're lucky) and the rest of the time, he's a mid-range jump shooter who stands around under his own basket half the time while the other team crashes the offensive boards.
I do agree that Bass needs to go back to his role as bench PF. One thing that BBD has in his favor is that he was an effective bench player who could actually perform better as a starter, like he showed when he filled in for KG in the playoffs a few seasons ago. Bass to me is a below average starter at PF.
Baby is taking a lot of shots in Orlando, and his shooting percentage is down, but he's on a rebuilding team with very inexperienced bigs, and he's doing his best to hold things down while the young bigs figure things out.
If "playing within you role" is wimpy, then give me the wimp over the guy who wants to be a hero.
Wimpy is not boxing out, and not having a paint presence.
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I admittedley was on the Bass train last season.. This season not so much. I was really disappointed in his reaction the other night to the Rondo incident. You have Boston on your chest.. Your a bench guy (basically) i completley expect you to be throwing haymakers in that situation.
As Tommy said, Red once told Loscy if you dont retaliate you'll wake up playing in Syracuse. Call me old school all you want but i expect that same reaction from this day in age role players. Not Terry so much but definatley Bass. I mean look at the guy. Built like A D-End and plays the game like Wide Receiver. No thanks. Baby was and always will be a headache but no one ever had to ask the kid to mix it up a little. He loved throwin that Baby fat around.
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I'll still keep Bass. not missing BBD constantly getting blocked every game. I loved his hustle and he was a better defender but Bass has been more consistent in his shot and is more athletic (which will eventually pay off when this team gets its offense rolling).
Of course the key to both players being effective is for them to come off the bench. C's need a legit starting PF to move Bass to the bench. Maybe Sully will be that good next year but for now, Bass is our best option there unfortunately
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I admittedley was on the Bass train last season.. This season not so much. I was really disappointed in his reaction the other night to the Rondo oncident. You have Boston on your chest.. Your a bench guy (basically) i completly expect you to be throwing haymakers in that situation.
As Tommy said, Red once told Loscy if you dont retaliate you'll wake up playing in Syracuse. Call me old school all you want but i expect that same reaction from this day in age role players. Not Terry so much but definatley Bass. I mean look at the guy. Built like A D-End and plays the game like Wide Receiver. No thanks. Baby was and always will be a headache but no one ever had to ask the kid to mix it up a little. He loved throwin that Baby fat around.
Eh...bass was trying to break the fight up.. would've been a season suspension if he was throwing haymakers....give me a break! I thought he was one of the smarter players in the scuffle...haymakers could turn it into malice at the palace type deal....very smart move by bass
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I admittedley was on the Bass train last season.. This season not so much. I was really disappointed in his reaction the other night to the Rondo oncident. You have Boston on your chest.. Your a bench guy (basically) i completly expect you to be throwing haymakers in that situation.
As Tommy said, Red once told Loscy if you dont retaliate you'll wake up playing in Syracuse. Call me old school all you want but i expect that same reaction from this day in age role players. Not Terry so much but definatley Bass. I mean look at the guy. Built like A D-End and plays the game like Wide Receiver. No thanks. Baby was and always will be a headache but no one ever had to ask the kid to mix it up a little. He loved throwin that Baby fat around.
Eh...bass was trying to break the fight up.. would've been a season suspension if he was throwing haymakers....give me a break! I thought he was one of the smarter players in the scuffle...haymakers could turn it into malice at the palace type deal....very smart move by bass
And when exactly was the last time you saw a season ending suspension, for the record?
Didn't think so...
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I admittedley was on the Bass train last season.. This season not so much. I was really disappointed in his reaction the other night to the Rondo oncident. You have Boston on your chest.. Your a bench guy (basically) i completly expect you to be throwing haymakers in that situation.
As Tommy said, Red once told Loscy if you dont retaliate you'll wake up playing in Syracuse. Call me old school all you want but i expect that same reaction from this day in age role players. Not Terry so much but definatley Bass. I mean look at the guy. Built like A D-End and plays the game like Wide Receiver. No thanks. Baby was and always will be a headache but no one ever had to ask the kid to mix it up a little. He loved throwin that Baby fat around.
Eh...bass was trying to break the fight up.. would've been a season suspension if he was throwing haymakers....give me a break! I thought he was one of the smarter players in the scuffle...haymakers could turn it into malice at the palace type deal....very smart move by bass
And when exactly was the last time you saw a season ending suspension, for the record?
Didn't think so...
And when exactly was the last time you saw an NBA player throwing haymakers?
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I'll take BBD. Bass, to me, is too wimpy. A guy with his athletic ability and body should be mixing it up all the time. Instead, we get one or two aggressive plays a game (if we're lucky) and the rest of the time, he's a mid-range jump shooter who stands around under his own basket half the time while the other team crashes the offensive boards.
I do agree that Bass needs to go back to his role as bench PF. One thing that BBD has in his favor is that he was an effective bench player who could actually perform better as a starter, like he showed when he filled in for KG in the playoffs a few seasons ago. Bass to me is a below average starter at PF.
Baby is taking a lot of shots in Orlando, and his shooting percentage is down, but he's on a rebuilding team with very inexperienced bigs, and he's doing his best to hold things down while the young bigs figure things out.
If "playing within you role" is wimpy, then give me the wimp over the guy who wants to be a hero.
Wimpy is not boxing out, and not having a paint presence.
Um . . . what Big Baby were you watching the past few years? Glen spent most offensive possessions near the perimeter looking for a chance to take a (low percentage) mid-range jumper, and he hardly ever blocked out. He was no better a rebounder than Bass has been. Often worse, in fact.
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I'll still keep Bass. not missing BBD constantly getting blocked every game. I loved his hustle and he was a better defender but Bass has been more consistent in his shot and is more athletic (which will eventually pay off when this team gets its offense rolling).
Of course the key to both players being effective is for them to come off the bench. C's need a legit starting PF to move Bass to the bench. Maybe Sully will be that good next year but for now, Bass is our best option there unfortunately
I think Wilcox, if he stays healthy and gets into peak shape conditioning-wise, could be a solid starter for 25-28 minutes a night. The problem is that if Wilcox is starting next to KG, it means we're depending on Collins or Sullinger to play most of the backup center minutes, which is far from ideal.
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I'll take BBD. Bass, to me, is too wimpy. A guy with his athletic ability and body should be mixing it up all the time. Instead, we get one or two aggressive plays a game (if we're lucky) and the rest of the time, he's a mid-range jump shooter who stands around under his own basket half the time while the other team crashes the offensive boards.
I do agree that Bass needs to go back to his role as bench PF. One thing that BBD has in his favor is that he was an effective bench player who could actually perform better as a starter, like he showed when he filled in for KG in the playoffs a few seasons ago. Bass to me is a below average starter at PF.
Baby is taking a lot of shots in Orlando, and his shooting percentage is down, but he's on a rebuilding team with very inexperienced bigs, and he's doing his best to hold things down while the young bigs figure things out.
If "playing within you role" is wimpy, then give me the wimp over the guy who wants to be a hero.
Wimpy is not boxing out, and not having a paint presence.
Um . . . what Big Baby were you watching the past few years? Glen spent most offensive possessions near the perimeter looking for a chance to take a (low percentage) mid-range jumper, and he hardly ever blocked out. He was no better a rebounder than Bass has been. Often worse, in fact.
Yeah Davis wasn't a good position rebounder defensively. He might have improved since playing bigger minutes in Orlando, I can't say I've watched him play all too often.
He was always pretty darn good on the offensive glass when we used him as a 20-25 minute backup though.
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I'll take BBD. Bass, to me, is too wimpy. A guy with his athletic ability and body should be mixing it up all the time. Instead, we get one or two aggressive plays a game (if we're lucky) and the rest of the time, he's a mid-range jump shooter who stands around under his own basket half the time while the other team crashes the offensive boards.
I do agree that Bass needs to go back to his role as bench PF. One thing that BBD has in his favor is that he was an effective bench player who could actually perform better as a starter, like he showed when he filled in for KG in the playoffs a few seasons ago. Bass to me is a below average starter at PF.
Baby is taking a lot of shots in Orlando, and his shooting percentage is down, but he's on a rebuilding team with very inexperienced bigs, and he's doing his best to hold things down while the young bigs figure things out.
If "playing within you role" is wimpy, then give me the wimp over the guy who wants to be a hero.
Wimpy is not boxing out, and not having a paint presence.
Um . . . what Big Baby were you watching the past few years? Glen spent most offensive possessions near the perimeter looking for a chance to take a (low percentage) mid-range jumper, and he hardly ever blocked out. He was no better a rebounder than Bass has been. Often worse, in fact.
Yeah Davis wasn't a good position rebounder defensively. He might have improved since playing bigger minutes in Orlando, I can't say I've watched him play all too often.
He was always pretty darn good on the offensive glass when we used him as a 20-25 minute backup though.
How many of those offensive rebounds were him collecting his own misses / shots he took that got blocked, though? Bass doesn't get those in part because he can actually dunk from underneath the basket, even when there are a few guys around him.
I admit I haven't watched Davis much since he went to Orlando, either, but in his time here the only things I'd say he had over Bass is that he was very good at taking charges, and he occasionally had some surprisingly agile drop-step-into-layup moves in the post.
People who hate on Bass are definitely overlooking the value he has simply by having a 10x better attitude and team-first mentality compared to Glen, who was mentally-soft and wanted a bigger role ever since he started in place of KG in the 2009 playoffs.
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I'll take BBD. Bass, to me, is too wimpy. A guy with his athletic ability and body should be mixing it up all the time. Instead, we get one or two aggressive plays a game (if we're lucky) and the rest of the time, he's a mid-range jump shooter who stands around under his own basket half the time while the other team crashes the offensive boards.
I do agree that Bass needs to go back to his role as bench PF. One thing that BBD has in his favor is that he was an effective bench player who could actually perform better as a starter, like he showed when he filled in for KG in the playoffs a few seasons ago. Bass to me is a below average starter at PF.
Baby is taking a lot of shots in Orlando, and his shooting percentage is down, but he's on a rebuilding team with very inexperienced bigs, and he's doing his best to hold things down while the young bigs figure things out.
If "playing within you role" is wimpy, then give me the wimp over the guy who wants to be a hero.
Wimpy is not boxing out, and not having a paint presence.
Um . . . what Big Baby were you watching the past few years? Glen spent most offensive possessions near the perimeter looking for a chance to take a (low percentage) mid-range jumper, and he hardly ever blocked out. He was no better a rebounder than Bass has been. Often worse, in fact.
Yeah Davis wasn't a good position rebounder defensively. He might have improved since playing bigger minutes in Orlando, I can't say I've watched him play all too often.
He was always pretty darn good on the offensive glass when we used him as a 20-25 minute backup though.
How many of those offensive rebounds were him collecting his own misses / shots he took that got blocked, though? Bass doesn't get those in part because he can actually dunk from underneath the basket, even when there are a few guys around him.
Some were, but Davis has shot basically as well as Bass at the rim for his career. I think the number of his own misses he got isn't a huge factor in his overall rebounding numbers.
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I want my Baby back, Baby back, Just curious to see what the conciseness is out there, now that we have a large sample size of Bass vs Baby. although Bass looked like a steal last year, overall I'd take the Big Baby now. Thoughts?
Although I've never been really high on Bass, I'd still take him over Baby. Davis' attitude alone makes me pick Bass over him. Plus I'm sure if Bass was given Baby's role on the magic right now he could put up numbers and lose.
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As Tommy said
(http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/anchorman-scotch.gif)
There ya go.
Bass to Baby is a zero sum game to me, but I'd rather have had Bass because of his contracts.
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I haven't watched Davis since he left...watching his game always made my teeth ache and gave me a bad headache so I tend to ignore him now.
I did notice that he and the Magic beat Howard and the Lakers. I did appreciate that irony. ;)
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I haven't watched Davis since he left...watching his game always made my teeth ache and gave me a bad headache so I tend to ignore him now.
I did notice that he and the Magic beat Howard and the Lakers. I did appreciate that irony. ;)
Watching him play us was like a comedy routine. Headdown bulling his way into the paint and throw up a circus shot with no idea where the rim is, bouncing the ball of his foot trying to do a spin move, fade away airballs. I was having a grand ole time watching Big Dummy.
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I admittedley was on the Bass train last season.. This season not so much. I was really disappointed in his reaction the other night to the Rondo oncident. You have Boston on your chest.. Your a bench guy (basically) i completly expect you to be throwing haymakers in that situation.
As Tommy said, Red once told Loscy if you dont retaliate you'll wake up playing in Syracuse. Call me old school all you want but i expect that same reaction from this day in age role players. Not Terry so much but definatley Bass. I mean look at the guy. Built like A D-End and plays the game like Wide Receiver. No thanks. Baby was and always will be a headache but no one ever had to ask the kid to mix it up a little. He loved throwin that Baby fat around.
Eh...bass was trying to break the fight up.. would've been a season suspension if he was throwing haymakers....give me a break! I thought he was one of the smarter players in the scuffle...haymakers could turn it into malice at the palace type deal....very smart move by bass
And when exactly was the last time you saw a season ending suspension, for the record?
Didn't think so...
And when exactly was the last time you saw an NBA player throwing haymakers?
The glorious 80's
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Can I choose None Of The Above? Gimme a center, please.
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Baby would rather be a star on a loser, than a role player on a winner. He's putting up decent numbers on horrible efficiency. No, I don't Want him back. Bass is better, more mature player ( and from what I've seen person).
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BBD could give howard problems...but i do not miss him at all.....of course his lack of desire to be a rebounder here..could have been docs design.....
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I like Glen but I do not want him back, imperfect, too short.