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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: GreenNote on December 02, 2012, 12:59:53 AM
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These past two games without Rondo have shown that some players just need to be a bit more comfortable and loose when they're out there, in order to make significant contributions.
The players that come to mind are Jeff Green and Courtney Lee. I was wondering if this had anything to do with Rondo's constant control of the offense? I'm not saying the team is better or anything like that but it appeared that the players were freer in their approach and had less inhibitions.
Do you think that Rondo's high intelligence and ability is intimidating to some guys on the team or is it just because the offense is played differently when he's not on the floor?
Either way I would like to see Rondo be a bit less ball dominant when he returns to see the two approaches can be combined.
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It's Doc's plays.
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Lee and green have benefitted from playing more minutes, not from not playing with the leagues best point guard
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I'm pretty sure Green is more comfortable operating in an offense where people just take turns calling their own numbers.
After all, that was exactly the kind of team he played on for the first three and a half years of his career.
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I'm pretty sure Green is more comfortable operating in an offense where people just take turns calling their own numbers.
After all, that was exactly the kind of team he played on for the first three and a half years of his career.
TP to you! I like the shot at Brooks and Westbrook :) Actually your point is very valid the more I think about OKC's style
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Anyone else sense that there is some sort of feud or power crisis going on in the locker room
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Anyone else sense that there is some sort of feud or power crisis going on in the locker room
I don't get that sense. But even if you're claiming that there's a power crisis going on between Rondo and others I doubt it would last long because I'd bet that KG would back the player that goes after a much bigger player for fouling KG.
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These past two games without Rondo have shown that some players just need to be a bit more comfortable and loose when they're out there, in order to make significant contributions.
The players that come to mind are Jeff Green and Courtney Lee. I was wondering if this had anything to do with Rondo's constant control of the offense? I'm not saying the team is better or anything like that but it appeared that the players were freer in their approach and had less inhibitions.
Do you think that Rondo's high intelligence and ability is intimidating to some guys on the team or is it just because the offense is played differently when he's not on the floor?
Either way I would like to see Rondo be a bit less ball dominant when he returns to see the two approaches can be combined.
I thought the last 2 games showed that some players need to be more intense and focused, not comfortable and loose.
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Anyone else sense that there is some sort of feud or power crisis going on in the locker room
I don't get that sense. But even if you're claiming that there's a power crisis going on between Rondo and others I doubt it would last long because I'd bet that KG would back the player that goes after a much bigger player for fouling KG.
You're right.
If anything what Rondo did probably united them.
A team of brothers.
These past two games without Rondo have shown that some players just need to be a bit more comfortable and loose when they're out there, in order to make significant contributions.
The players that come to mind are Jeff Green and Courtney Lee. I was wondering if this had anything to do with Rondo's constant control of the offense? I'm not saying the team is better or anything like that but it appeared that the players were freer in their approach and had less inhibitions.
Do you think that Rondo's high intelligence and ability is intimidating to some guys on the team or is it just because the offense is played differently when he's not on the floor?
Either way I would like to see Rondo be a bit less ball dominant when he returns to see the two approaches can be combined.
I thought the last 2 games showed that some players need to be more intense and focused, not comfortable and loose.
The 3 quarters in today's game told me that too.
Thing is with limited minutes to go around, they need to learn to get in the groove quick. They need to learn to contribute in less than minutes they're used to. They need to learn to contribute in ways other than scoring.
Wilcox and Barbosa have done exactly that. JG, CLee, Bass and others have to learn. They can't coast even a little. 100% for all their minutes.
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Why do people keep saying the lack of Rondo does anything? It's the lack of his 37 minutes and 11 FGA that opens things up.
If KG misses a game Bass probably scores 20.
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OR, it could be that rondo's suspension/the embarrassment of the loss against the Nets got into guys like Green/Lee's heads to start playing with more effort/look for their score more.
they look like totally different players the last two games with their effort.
last years run started when Rondo was out and Bradley stepped up.
as long as Lee/Green CONTINUE that play when Rondo comes back we are going to be fine
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Anyone else sense that there is some sort of feud or power crisis going on in the locker room
I don't get that sense. But even if you're claiming that there's a power crisis going on between Rondo and others I doubt it would last long because I'd bet that KG would back the player that goes after a much bigger player for fouling KG.
You're right.
If anything what Rondo did probably united them.
A team of brothers.
These past two games without Rondo have shown that some players just need to be a bit more comfortable and loose when they're out there, in order to make significant contributions.
The players that come to mind are Jeff Green and Courtney Lee. I was wondering if this had anything to do with Rondo's constant control of the offense? I'm not saying the team is better or anything like that but it appeared that the players were freer in their approach and had less inhibitions.
Do you think that Rondo's high intelligence and ability is intimidating to some guys on the team or is it just because the offense is played differently when he's not on the floor?
Either way I would like to see Rondo be a bit less ball dominant when he returns to see the two approaches can be combined.
I thought the last 2 games showed that some players need to be more intense and focused, not comfortable and loose.
The 3 quarters in today's game told me that too.
Thing is with limited minutes to go around, they need to learn to get in the groove quick. They need to learn to contribute in less than minutes they're used to. They need to learn to contribute in ways other than scoring.
Wilcox and Barbosa have done exactly that. JG, CLee, Bass and others have to learn. They can't coast even a little. 100% for all their minutes.
Completely agree. The more comfortable they get I bet the less they would produce. Intensity and focus is whats going to help this team the most.
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These past two games without Rondo have shown that some players just need to be a bit more comfortable and loose when they're out there, in order to make significant contributions.
The players that come to mind are Jeff Green and Courtney Lee. I was wondering if this had anything to do with Rondo's constant control of the offense? I'm not saying the team is better or anything like that but it appeared that the players were freer in their approach and had less inhibitions.
Do you think that Rondo's high intelligence and ability is intimidating to some guys on the team or is it just because the offense is played differently when he's not on the floor?
Either way I would like to see Rondo be a bit less ball dominant when he returns to see the two approaches can be combined.
No, it's kind of simpler than that -- Rondo dominates the ball, and that takes away from some players' ability to contribute. Jeff Green, in particular, is not going to give you much if you're making him sit in the corner all the time, or move around without the ball.
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These past two games without Rondo have shown that some players just need to be a bit more comfortable and loose when they're out there, in order to make significant contributions.
The players that come to mind are Jeff Green and Courtney Lee. I was wondering if this had anything to do with Rondo's constant control of the offense? I'm not saying the team is better or anything like that but it appeared that the players were freer in their approach and had less inhibitions.
Do you think that Rondo's high intelligence and ability is intimidating to some guys on the team or is it just because the offense is played differently when he's not on the floor?
Either way I would like to see Rondo be a bit less ball dominant when he returns to see the two approaches can be combined.
No, it's kind of simpler than that -- Rondo dominates the ball, and that takes away from some players' ability to contribute. Jeff Green, in particular, is not going to give you much if you're making him sit in the corner all the time, or move around without the ball.
So he's forced to either stand still or move around without the ball?
And when Rondo passes the ball to Green, how does he stop him from taking the ball to the rack? Telekinesis?
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Everything is Rondo's fault.
Yea, Green played good but against what team? The two games we've played without Rondo are against the worst teams in the league. Of course, Green and Lee are bound to shine. These two still needs to be traded...
KG is still the heart of this team but Rondo is that straw that stirs everything
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Anyone else sense that there is some sort of feud or power crisis going on in the locker room
I don't get that sense at all. I think that everyone knows who the leaders of this basketball team are. I think that some of the role players are still trying to find their roles and see where they fit in, though.
I've been particularly encouraged by the play of Lee and Green in these last two games without Rondo. I'm hoping that their level of play can carry over once Rondo returns. Lee is obviously not going to continue to get 35+ minutes a night, but the stuff he's been doing out there in these last two games are just what we all expected from him when we signed him; his role is as a defender and all-around energy guard.
As far as Green goes, I think that a lot of his early season problems have been in his own head. Having two impressive back-to-back games that sort of prove that he can play after all is going to help his confidence, even when he has a bad game or two. Maybe he can start to release some of the pressure that's been placed on him. I think the pressure placed on him by the fans and the media has probably had a far greater impact on his play than the pressure of playing with the game's best guard.
Despite the pain of last night's huge meltdown, I'm slowly seeing some very encouraging signs with this team. I've always believed that we have the talent to be a serious threat come playoff time. I'm sticking with that belief for the time being.
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Not more than other players probably stress him out. But generally don't think so..they all look like they're serious when they gush over him, reportedly had a crowd of teammates over for thanksgiving and put together offseason team get togethers that everyone went too and they all seem to want to get him his assists and maybe rely on him too much when hes there...yeah don't think so...that was ray.
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Is the problem that Rondo dominates the ball and doesn't let other players play or is it that Rondo is an intimidating presence due to his awesomeness and other players defer too much?
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unless ur in the locker room, it is all assumption.
they appear to get along well with one another. i think they are just trying to find their roles/identity and are frustrated by their inconsistency.
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unless ur in the locker room, it is all assumption.
they appear to get along well with one another. i think they are just trying to find their roles/identity and are frustrated by their inconsistency.
Its an assumption, but as much of an assumption as assuming theyre all good friends. There seems to be a bit too much anger right now with Rondo, KG and Doc. Its not absurd to think that all these new players coming together and fighting for playtime and traveling together is going to stir some rivalries or whatever. It could be between our new guys and the old guys or between the old guys or between doc and some guys but its definitely possible.
If everyone was getting along with each other good I would expect us to be playing alot better.
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I lean towards the idea that locker room friction is less likely than on other teams because the Celtics seem to have made an effort to look for players who would not cause that. After all, the Celtics are reported to be very reluctant to bring in Kenyon Martin because of how he was with the Clippers.