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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: CelticG1 on December 01, 2012, 02:12:55 PM
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How bad is the Nba?
With this recent zspurs fines and ridiculousness it just makes me hats the NBA even more. Stern blocked a trade last year. This year fining a team for sitting players.
The game has geared entirely to promoting individuals and not teams
Stars essentially can choose or force there way on to any team they want.
Suspensions are ridiculous these days. Flagrants/technicals are ridiculous.
The league is run by stars. If you don't have the best stars you aren't going anywhere.
Stars get by far more favorded calls than any other league.
The refs are by far the worst out of any sport.
Defense has pretty much been taking out of the game (see docs comments) you cant touch anyone these days.
What else am I missing? This is just off the top of.my head of things that frustrate me on a daily basis with the NBA. Aren't there definitely a lot more negatives about the NBA than positives?
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David Stern has been and is the worst thing to happen to the NBA. My hope is it will get better when he retires.
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The refs, or the way they're being told to do their jobs, are the number one problem.
There are multiple problems with the way the games are reffed.
Too many to list.
#1 for me is that NBA games have no flow anymore whatsoever. I guess they aren't allowed to play for more than a certain number of seconds before there has to be a stoppage.
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So at one time we were all clamoring for there to even be a season during last yr's strike.
Fast-Forward a year later now the NBA sucks.
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Stars essentially can choose or force there way on to any team they want.
i really dont see the problem. its a free market.
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So at one time we were all clamoring for there to even be a season during last yr's strike.
Fast-Forward a year later now the NBA sucks.
I find it to be a love hate relationship. I love the NBA, but I hate how it's run.
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So at one time we were all clamoring for there to even be a season during last yr's strike.
Fast-Forward a year later now the NBA sucks.
I find it to be a love hate relationship. I love the NBA, but I hate how it's run.
I mostly hate the NBA but love the Celtics.
Watching a none Celtic game is very painful for me to watch. I'm forced to because I'm so invested in the Celtics but especially when it is poorly officiated it is just painful. Of course that's not always the case.
Thought of another bad thing, NBA players in general are extremely unlikable
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Stars essentially can choose or force there way on to any team they want.
i really dont see the problem. its a free market.
I rarely see it happen in other leagues. Do you? Are those leagues not a free market?
Come on it certainly takes away from the fun of a gm and orgainization "building" a team.
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I'm not trying to insult you, but this post is just a regurgitation of a lot of tired tropes about the NBA that people trot out every time their team isn't winning or something happens that they don't agree with.
The NBA is not perfect, but for all its flaws, the product on the floor has actually never been better, all things considered, and the league is in many respects the best among the three major sports (four if you count hockey, I guess). Hate on the NBA all you want, but the fact that you are here posting on a forum about the Boston Celtics is pretty strong evidence that even you find yourself invested in it, despite yourself.
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Yup.Is it a basketball league, or a place for the refs to relive their childhood, so thay can control life as they wished...because that is all that is left to this so called league. Calls for pros, and calls for rookies, as soon as you accepted THAT, you lost total control...subtle at first, wasn't it...?
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Obviously not enough to make us not watch ;)
We can say all we want to about The Evil Emperor aka David J. Stern, but when all is said and done, he's a genius.
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I agree the NBA does suck and it is a joke now. Id rather watch NFL games most of the time than watch any NBA game. NFL is so much better than the NBA. If i didn't love the celtics id be all NFL. I'm not as big on baseball as i use to be but i respect MLB more than the NBA.
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Say what you want, but THIS stuff is just priceless:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17YKrYzxEf8
I was in tears when it was first posted here on CBlog, and I'm in tears right now. ;D
Who would WANT to miss this?
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theres too many teams in this league. In the 80's, every team was good. The talent was on every team.
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I'm not trying to insult you, but this post is just a regurgitation of a lot of tired tropes about the NBA that people trot out every time their team isn't winning or something happens that they don't agree with.
The NBA is not perfect, but for all its flaws, the product on the floor has actually never been better, all things considered, and the league is in many respects the best among the three major sports (four if you count hockey, I guess). Hate on the NBA all you want, but the fact that you are here posting on a forum about the Boston Celtics is pretty strong evidence that even you find yourself invested in it, despite yourself.
Bingo.
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I'm not trying to insult you, but this post is just a regurgitation of a lot of tired tropes about the NBA that people trot out every time their team isn't winning or something happens that they don't agree with.
The NBA is not perfect, but for all its flaws, the product on the floor has actually never been better, all things considered, and the league is in many respects the best among the three major sports (four if you count hockey, I guess). Hate on the NBA all you want, but the fact that you are here posting on a forum about the Boston Celtics is pretty strong evidence that even you find yourself invested in it, despite yourself.
Bingo.
There is no bingo. Everything the OP said is 100 percent correct. This has nothing to do with how well or bad the celtics play. The NBA is a complete joke.
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I love watching the Celtics today as much as I have my whole life (been watching/listening to C's games since the 60's). I've never been very entertained by watching NBA games that the C's are not playing in.
So I guess my answer to your thread title question is, it doesn't. The NBA is about entertainment and I am very entertained by the Boston entry. When I am not entertained anymore, I'll stop watching. I really don't think any deeper about it than that.
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Cut 1 or 2 teams from the east and west.
Make bigger restrictions for players forcing their way out.
Trim the fat on the rules.
David Stern out.....Charles Barkley in! At least he'd be funny to listen to.
But they need some one in office that has played. Bird,Magic,Jordan,Robinson etc.
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How bad is the Nba?
With this recent zspurs fines and ridiculousness it just makes me hats the NBA even more. Stern blocked a trade last year. This year fining a team for sitting players.
The game has geared entirely to promoting individuals and not teams
Stars essentially can choose or force there way on to any team they want.
Suspensions are ridiculous these days. Flagrants/technicals are ridiculous.
The league is run by stars. If you don't have the best stars you aren't going anywhere.
Stars get by far more favorded calls than any other league.
The refs are by far the worst out of any sport.
Defense has pretty much been taking out of the game (see docs comments) you cant touch anyone these days.
What else am I missing? This is just off the top of.my head of things that frustrate me on a daily basis with the NBA. Aren't there definitely a lot more negatives about the NBA than positives?
I understand your angst, but you have to remember that even though you feel like you do, the beauty of the NBA is when "Teams" can overcome "Superstars" and win.
Both BOS and San Antonio were VERY close to doing just that last year. These two teams were among the final four.
And we all know that if we had AB or Wilcox and Green - the outcome could've been different.
Most of us here like OKC...they lost to MIA in the finals because Durant wasn't ready to defend LeBron and wasn't on his level, yet. Maybe that will change this year.
Now YES - I saw most of the games, and it "appeared" as if Durant couldn't defend Lebron because of the officiating at times.
But then how do you defend Russell Westbrook letting Super Mario Chalmers go off for 25 pts in that Game 3? Can't blame the officials, there.
For all the league's faults, like you stated - I don't believe it's a lost cause.
True "Teams" still win and can still win it all. I'm expecting BOS to be right there with MIA when it's all said and done.
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How bad is the Nba?
With this recent zspurs fines and ridiculousness it just makes me hats the NBA even more. Stern blocked a trade last year. This year fining a team for sitting players.
The game has geared entirely to promoting individuals and not teams
Stars essentially can choose or force there way on to any team they want.
Suspensions are ridiculous these days. Flagrants/technicals are ridiculous.
The league is run by stars. If you don't have the best stars you aren't going anywhere.
Stars get by far more favorded calls than any other league.
The refs are by far the worst out of any sport.
Defense has pretty much been taking out of the game (see docs comments) you cant touch anyone these days.
What else am I missing? This is just off the top of.my head of things that frustrate me on a daily basis with the NBA. Aren't there definitely a lot more negatives about the NBA than positives?
tp. i rarely ever watch a game that the celts arent in anymore. i watch the celts bc they are in my blood and i love bball, but i cant mess with the nba anymore.
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The Spurs are completely at fault here.
You can't sit your stars and give the NBA no notice.
David Stern can't let other teams set a precedent- then every team could just sit players without warning and even more fans would be super p---ed.
4 games in 5 days is tough but it's why you get paid MILLIONS of dollars.
Imagine the san antonio fans in Florida who would have gone to that game hoping to see their idols for that one game a year to find out that now they have to watch Blair, Splitter and some other bums for the $200- $2000 they paid for 4 tickets.
You just can't do that without reasonable notice- it's very bad for the game.
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The Spurs are completely at fault here.
You can't sit your stars and give the NBA no notice.
David Stern can't let other teams set a precedent- then every team could just sit players without warning and even more fans would be super p---ed.
4 games in 5 days is tough but it's why you get paid MILLIONS of dollars.
Imagine the san antonio fans in Florida who would have gone to that game hoping to see their idols for that one game a year to find out that now they have to watch Blair, Splitter and some other bums for the $200- $2000 they paid for 4 tickets.
You just can't do that without reasonable notice- it's very bad for the game.
wrong thread dude (i think u meant the stern/spurs thread)
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How bad is the Nba?
With this recent zspurs fines and ridiculousness it just makes me hats the NBA even more. Stern blocked a trade last year. This year fining a team for sitting players.
The game has geared entirely to promoting individuals and not teams
Stars essentially can choose or force there way on to any team they want.
Suspensions are ridiculous these days. Flagrants/technicals are ridiculous.
The league is run by stars. If you don't have the best stars you aren't going anywhere.
Stars get by far more favorded calls than any other league.
The refs are by far the worst out of any sport.
Defense has pretty much been taking out of the game (see docs comments) you cant touch anyone these days.
What else am I missing? This is just off the top of.my head of things that frustrate me on a daily basis with the NBA. Aren't there definitely a lot more negatives about the NBA than positives?
tp. i rarely ever watch a game that the celts arent in anymore. i watch the celts bc they are in my blood and i love bball, but i cant mess with the nba anymore.
Same here, i never watch a NBA game the celtics aren't in. Only exception is the playoffs. Once the celtics turn to trash again im a probably stop watching the NBA completely and just watch the NFL.
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I like the talk here some agree some disagree.
Im surprised that some people think that it has gotten better. I mean its marketed incredibly. They have an A+ marketing team and they are making a ton of money. I know the sport has grown but does that necessarily make it better?
Hey also didn't Stern shut down the whole Stan Van Gundy on espn thing? Just dictating like a ...
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I'm not trying to insult you, but this post is just a regurgitation of a lot of tired tropes about the NBA that people trot out every time their team isn't winning or something happens that they don't agree with.
The NBA is not perfect, but for all its flaws, the product on the floor has actually never been better, all things considered, and the league is in many respects the best among the three major sports (four if you count hockey, I guess). Hate on the NBA all you want, but the fact that you are here posting on a forum about the Boston Celtics is pretty strong evidence that even you find yourself invested in it, despite yourself.
What he said.
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So at one time we were all clamoring for there to even be a season during last yr's strike.
Fast-Forward a year later now the NBA sucks.
I find it to be a love hate relationship. I love the NBA, but I hate how it's run.
Thought of another bad thing, NBA players in general are extremely unlikable
I don't see how you can find NBA players more unlikable than other athletes... especially NFL players. For every dislikable thing about NBA players, I can definitely find at least 2 about NFL players. And I don't find a lot of MLB players any more likable either - particularly some the Red Sox have employed over the past few years or ones recently having lied to grand juries under oath.
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How bad is the Nba?
With this recent zspurs fines and ridiculousness it just makes me hats the NBA even more. Stern blocked a trade last year. This year fining a team for sitting players.
The game has geared entirely to promoting individuals and not teams
Stars essentially can choose or force there way on to any team they want.
Suspensions are ridiculous these days. Flagrants/technicals are ridiculous.
The league is run by stars. If you don't have the best stars you aren't going anywhere.
Stars get by far more favorded calls than any other league.
The refs are by far the worst out of any sport.
Defense has pretty much been taking out of the game (see docs comments) you cant touch anyone these days.
What else am I missing? This is just off the top of.my head of things that frustrate me on a daily basis with the NBA. Aren't there definitely a lot more negatives about the NBA than positives?
The NBA doesn't suck... it's awesome. It's at a high point right. Even some of the league's bottom feeders have exciting young talent. There are surreal otherworldly players like LeBron James and Kevin Durant. Point guards like Chris Paul who could stand toe to toe with the greatest of all time. Veterans in their mid-to-late 30s like Kobe, Duncan, Pierce and KG who are defying the odds and playing at extremely high levels (Duncan, for instance, is the 4th best player in the league statistically so far)... It's just an awesome league right now. I love it.
The center position is weak right now. Beyond that, it's a fantastic league all-around.
The refs aren't corrupt and the league isn't fixed. Most of the things people hate David Stern for is utter nonsense (like the ridiculous lotto conspiracy theories propagated by people who don't even understand how the lotto works). He's done a fantastic job overall and deserves a lot of credit.
The suspensions aren't ridiculous... Rondo instigated a brawl and got 2 games. He got off light. I wouldn't have argued with a 1 month suspension for what he did. The Humphries foul on KG wasn't even that hard. The NBA has done a good job of keeping things in check post Pistons/Pacers brawl.
This league has always been dominated by stars. That's part of what makes the NBA so great... it's a sport where individuals can make an impact more so than any other sport. It's what makes players like Russell, Jordan, Hakeem, Magic, Bird, etc so darn iconic. Right now this is King James' league... he could hang with any of those greats. This has always been a league of dynasties. It's always been a league of superstars. The lack of parity is great. We're freakin Boston Celtics fans. Part of what makes this team so historically relevant is the 11 championships Bill Russell (primarily) brought us.
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David Stern Loves LarBrd33.
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David Stern Loves LarBrd33.
I live in Seattle. The one thing I think he deserves flack for is his handling of the Sonics. But I think it's clear to me that Seattle will have a team before Stern steps down. It's his swan song. He's going to make up for his biggest mistake.
The rest of the stuff (like the misunderstood/misrepresented "veto") is mostly poppycock.
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it's a sport where individuals can make an impact more so than any other sport. It's what makes players like Russell, Jordan, Hakeem, Magic, Bird, etc so darn iconic. Right now this is King James' league... he could hang with any of those greats.
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR95gYmTirMcV8Cmdy1kzHcTXqRxEIlW5vBVg9Op0eRFFDV6W4tLQ)
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it's a sport where individuals can make an impact more so than any other sport. It's what makes players like Russell, Jordan, Hakeem, Magic, Bird, etc so darn iconic. Right now this is King James' league... he could hang with any of those greats.
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR95gYmTirMcV8Cmdy1kzHcTXqRxEIlW5vBVg9Op0eRFFDV6W4tLQ)
It's a fact. LeBron James could hang with any superstar in the league's history. He's incredible. Great players like Bird have flat out said this. Bron is incredible. NO level of denial is going to change the fact that he's the best player in this league and the transcendent type of player who could fit in with/against any former player in history.
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David Stern Loves LarBrd33.
I live in Seattle. The one thing I think he deserves flack for is his handling of the Sonics. But I think it's clear to me that Seattle will have a team before Stern steps down. It's his swan song. He's going to make up for his biggest mistake.
The rest of the stuff (like the misunderstood/misrepresented "veto") is mostly poppycock.
It's just that outside of Stern's coming down on Popovich I can't agree with the rest of your initial post about the NBA.
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I'm not trying to insult you, but this post is just a regurgitation of a lot of tired tropes about the NBA that people trot out every time their team isn't winning or something happens that they don't agree with.
The NBA is not perfect, but for all its flaws, the product on the floor has actually never been better, all things considered, and the league is in many respects the best among the three major sports (four if you count hockey, I guess). Hate on the NBA all you want, but the fact that you are here posting on a forum about the Boston Celtics is pretty strong evidence that even you find yourself invested in it, despite yourself.
Bingo.
Thirded. The NBA isn't perfect, but it hardly sucks, and I can't for the life of me figure out why someone who thought so would be on an NBA blog.
The vague "ain't what she used ta be!" quality of most of these complaints just remind me of this:
(http://www.misfitopia.com/uploads/1250621854/gallery_1_1_11337.jpg)
And compounding it, I've heard many of these exact same complaints since I was a kid in the 80s (which is now "the good ol' days"). Apparently the game has been going continually downhill since they took the bottoms off the peach baskets.
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it's a sport where individuals can make an impact more so than any other sport. It's what makes players like Russell, Jordan, Hakeem, Magic, Bird, etc so darn iconic. Right now this is King James' league... he could hang with any of those greats.
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR95gYmTirMcV8Cmdy1kzHcTXqRxEIlW5vBVg9Op0eRFFDV6W4tLQ)
It's a fact. LeBron James could hang with any superstar in the league's history. He's incredible. Great players like Bird have flat out said this. Bron is incredible. NO level of denial is going to change the fact that he's the best player in this league and the transcendent type of player who could fit in with/against any former player in history.
Really?
Larry said that LeBron was in his league?
He's the best player RIGHT NOW, but comparing him to Russell, Hakeem, Larry, Magic...
Maybe I'm just too old school, but LeBron, while talented, couldn't hold a candle to the old-time greats.
KG in his prime would be too much of a load for LeBron, especially.
LeBron still had trouble keeping 35 y.o. Pierce under wraps in the playoffs, too.
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While I'm not a fan of the way LeBron has been marketed for essentially his entire life (he was on the cover of SI at 16, right?), it's very possible that he could finish his career as one of the greatest players of all time.
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Not even close to enough for
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I don't think the NBA sucks at all. It's the only sports league that I watch with regularity. Admittedly, I don't find a lot of time for games where my Celtics aren't involved, but luckily, I don't really need to as the Celtics play 82 games a year and play every team in the league at least once.
Sometimes I'll even tune in to one of the big match ups when my team isn't playing.
I don't think it's run perfectly, but, then again, what is?
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How bad is the Nba?
With this recent zspurs fines and ridiculousness it just makes me hats the NBA even more. Stern blocked a trade last year. This year fining a team for sitting players.
The game has geared entirely to promoting individuals and not teams
Stars essentially can choose or force there way on to any team they want.
Suspensions are ridiculous these days. Flagrants/technicals are ridiculous.
The league is run by stars. If you don't have the best stars you aren't going anywhere.
Stars get by far more favorded calls than any other league.
The refs are by far the worst out of any sport.
Defense has pretty much been taking out of the game (see docs comments) you cant touch anyone these days.
What else am I missing? This is just off the top of.my head of things that frustrate me on a daily basis with the NBA. Aren't there definitely a lot more negatives about the NBA than positives?
The NBA doesn't suck... it's awesome. It's at a high point right. Even some of the league's bottom feeders have exciting young talent. There are surreal otherworldly players like LeBron James and Kevin Durant. Point guards like Chris Paul who could stand toe to toe with the greatest of all time. Veterans in their mid-to-late 30s like Kobe, Duncan, Pierce and KG who are defying the odds and playing at extremely high levels (Duncan, for instance, is the 4th best player in the league statistically so far)... It's just an awesome league right now. I love it.
The center position is weak right now. Beyond that, it's a fantastic league all-around.
The refs aren't corrupt and the league isn't fixed. Most of the things people hate David Stern for is utter nonsense (like the ridiculous lotto conspiracy theories propagated by people who don't even understand how the lotto works). He's done a fantastic job overall and deserves a lot of credit.
The suspensions aren't ridiculous... Rondo instigated a brawl and got 2 games. He got off light. I wouldn't have argued with a 1 month suspension for what he did. The Humphries foul on KG wasn't even that hard. The NBA has done a good job of keeping things in check post Pistons/Pacers brawl.
This league has always been dominated by stars. That's part of what makes the NBA so great... it's a sport where individuals can make an impact more so than any other sport. It's what makes players like Russell, Jordan, Hakeem, Magic, Bird, etc so darn iconic. Right now this is King James' league... he could hang with any of those greats. This has always been a league of dynasties. It's always been a league of superstars. The lack of parity is great. We're freakin Boston Celtics fans. Part of what makes this team so historically relevant is the 11 championships Bill Russell (primarily) brought us.
Stopped reading right there.
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David Stern Loves LarBrd33.
Wouldn't surprise me if LarBrd33 was David Stern lol.
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While I'm not a fan of the way LeBron has been marketed for essentially his entire life (he was on the cover of SI at 16, right?), it's very possible that he could finish his career as one of the greatest players of all time.
Hes already one of the greatest players of all time. He'll never be that greatest tho. Him leaving his team to join wade looks horrible on his resume.
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While I'm not a fan of the way LeBron has been marketed for essentially his entire life (he was on the cover of SI at 16, right?), it's very possible that he could finish his career as one of the greatest players of all time.
Hes already one of the greatest players of all time. He'll never be that greatest tho. Him leaving his team to join wade looks horrible on his resume.
Bingo.
Even though it could be argued that Larry had Chief and Kevin....Magic had Kareem and Worthy, etc.
But neither of these two (Larry, Magic) would join up with anyone else, though.
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I have to say Wade basically saved his career by convincing LBJ and Bosh to join him in Miami. Dude has severely fallen off in the last couple years.
Anyway, I'm pretty much with LarBrd33 on this one. The NBA is far from sucky right now.
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Compared to the 80s it blows.....
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So at one time we were all clamoring for there to even be a season during last yr's strike.
Fast-Forward a year later now the NBA sucks.
I find it to be a love hate relationship. I love the NBA, but I hate how it's run.
I mostly hate the NBA but love the Celtics.
Watching a none Celtic game is very painful for me to watch. I'm forced to because I'm so invested in the Celtics but especially when it is poorly officiated it is just painful. Of course that's not always the case.
Thought of another bad thing, NBA players in general are extremely unlikable
wow, it's like I wrote this myself. TP for saving me the effort
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i love the nba
stop focusing on the politics
concentrate on the ballas that work hard to get to this level..
stern who?
*sippin*
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it's a sport where individuals can make an impact more so than any other sport. It's what makes players like Russell, Jordan, Hakeem, Magic, Bird, etc so darn iconic. Right now this is King James' league... he could hang with any of those greats.
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR95gYmTirMcV8Cmdy1kzHcTXqRxEIlW5vBVg9Op0eRFFDV6W4tLQ)
It's a fact. LeBron James could hang with any superstar in the league's history. He's incredible. Great players like Bird have flat out said this. Bron is incredible. NO level of denial is going to change the fact that he's the best player in this league and the transcendent type of player who could fit in with/against any former player in history.
Really?
Larry said that LeBron was in his league?
He's the best player RIGHT NOW, but comparing him to Russell, Hakeem, Larry, Magic...
Maybe I'm just too old school, but LeBron, while talented, couldn't hold a candle to the old-time greats.
KG in his prime would be too much of a load for LeBron, especially.
LeBron still had trouble keeping 35 y.o. Pierce under wraps in the playoffs, too.
Yeah dude... in a sea of denial, you gotta go to a legend to get some truth.
Larry Bird: "He [LeBron] actually carried them all the way through the playoffs," Bird said during an interview with ESPN. "If you go back to the beginning of the playoffs, has anyone ever had a better run? It'd seem like you'd have a bad game once in awhile. He never did have a bad game. He was so focused. You just saw his confidence build and build and build. He should go down in history as one of the top players and maybe he can get close to Michael [Jordan]."
James statistically is already up there with anyone who has ever played the game. He's been the the Finals 3 times and finally has a ring. If we are comparing 27 year old Michael Jordan to 27 year old LeBron James... you might have to take LeBron over him. True fact.
Dude is already a 3 Time MVP, a 2 time Gold Medalist... an 8 time allstar... He could absolutely "Hang" with any player who has ever played the game. He's like a hybrid of Magic Johnson with early Jordan... in Karl Malone's body. He would match up well with the legends of the game... and the legends would have loved playing with him. Bird was quoted as saying LeBron would have been the most fun player of this generation to play with (same interview where he said he'd prefer playing with Kobe just because of Kobe's homicidal will to win)
I know a lot of folks here hate him, because they think he's a rival to the celtics... a lot of it is just jealousy as well. But arguing that LeBron couldn't hang with legends like Barkley is just as ridiculous as someone in 1991 arguing that Jordan couldn't hang with legends like john havlicek.
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How bad is the Nba?
With this recent zspurs fines and ridiculousness it just makes me hats the NBA even more. Stern blocked a trade last year. This year fining a team for sitting players.
The game has geared entirely to promoting individuals and not teams
Stars essentially can choose or force there way on to any team they want.
Suspensions are ridiculous these days. Flagrants/technicals are ridiculous.
The league is run by stars. If you don't have the best stars you aren't going anywhere.
Stars get by far more favorded calls than any other league.
The refs are by far the worst out of any sport.
Defense has pretty much been taking out of the game (see docs comments) you cant touch anyone these days.
What else am I missing? This is just off the top of.my head of things that frustrate me on a daily basis with the NBA. Aren't there definitely a lot more negatives about the NBA than positives?
The NBA doesn't suck... it's awesome. It's at a high point right. Even some of the league's bottom feeders have exciting young talent. There are surreal otherworldly players like LeBron James and Kevin Durant. Point guards like Chris Paul who could stand toe to toe with the greatest of all time. Veterans in their mid-to-late 30s like Kobe, Duncan, Pierce and KG who are defying the odds and playing at extremely high levels (Duncan, for instance, is the 4th best player in the league statistically so far)... It's just an awesome league right now. I love it.
The center position is weak right now. Beyond that, it's a fantastic league all-around.
The refs aren't corrupt and the league isn't fixed. Most of the things people hate David Stern for is utter nonsense (like the ridiculous lotto conspiracy theories propagated by people who don't even understand how the lotto works). He's done a fantastic job overall and deserves a lot of credit.
The suspensions aren't ridiculous... Rondo instigated a brawl and got 2 games. He got off light. I wouldn't have argued with a 1 month suspension for what he did. The Humphries foul on KG wasn't even that hard. The NBA has done a good job of keeping things in check post Pistons/Pacers brawl.
This league has always been dominated by stars. That's part of what makes the NBA so great... it's a sport where individuals can make an impact more so than any other sport. It's what makes players like Russell, Jordan, Hakeem, Magic, Bird, etc so darn iconic. Right now this is King James' league... he could hang with any of those greats. This has always been a league of dynasties. It's always been a league of superstars. The lack of parity is great. We're freakin Boston Celtics fans. Part of what makes this team so historically relevant is the 11 championships Bill Russell (primarily) brought us.
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I understand some folks think the league is rigged, the refs are in the NBA's pocket and trades are dictated by David Stern.
Apparently these silly folks think it started happening AFTER 2008... you know... when David Stern forced the Wolves to trade KG to the Celtics, rigged the playoffs for a Lakers/Celtics finals and gifted a championship to a suffering Boston fanbase. ::)
It's all silly... just silly. This league is fantastic. The superstars in this league are incredible... it's not an Iverson/Vince Carter league... LeBron and Durant are phenomenal. This league is in excellent shape. The only thing that sucks is that Boston is somewhat mediocre right now (in the regular season, at least) and there aren't a ton of great Big Men (Dwight is the best by default). Overall, this league is awesome right now.
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Only thing I have to complain about in any relation to the NBA is the Llama Drama that gets stirred up by the media. Its the reason I don't like Lebrondo, I think he talks too much and those glasses he always wears are borderline ridiculous...but that's besides the point, I watch games whenever they're on TV and I go out of my way to watch all the C's games. Obviously I wish my team was doing better, and Boston will probably be viewed as the bitter old men until Rondo retires. The league is great, and its pretty apparent that it goes in cycles with the good players. In the early 2000's it was all the obscure teams that were doing really well, and now it's just shifting again. Hopefully the C's can make some good moves
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Funny.
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Thanks LarBrd33 - I agree with I think every single thing you've posted on this page, but I'm too lazy to write it out so thoroughly. TP.
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How bad is the Nba?
With this recent zspurs fines and ridiculousness it just makes me hats the NBA even more. Stern blocked a trade last year. This year fining a team for sitting players.
The game has geared entirely to promoting individuals and not teams
Stars essentially can choose or force there way on to any team they want.
Suspensions are ridiculous these days. Flagrants/technicals are ridiculous.
The league is run by stars. If you don't have the best stars you aren't going anywhere.
Stars get by far more favorded calls than any other league.
The refs are by far the worst out of any sport.
Defense has pretty much been taking out of the game (see docs comments) you cant touch anyone these days.
What else am I missing? This is just off the top of.my head of things that frustrate me on a daily basis with the NBA. Aren't there definitely a lot more negatives about the NBA than positives?
The NBA doesn't suck... it's awesome. It's at a high point right. Even some of the league's bottom feeders have exciting young talent. There are surreal otherworldly players like LeBron James and Kevin Durant. Point guards like Chris Paul who could stand toe to toe with the greatest of all time. Veterans in their mid-to-late 30s like Kobe, Duncan, Pierce and KG who are defying the odds and playing at extremely high levels (Duncan, for instance, is the 4th best player in the league statistically so far)... It's just an awesome league right now. I love it.
The center position is weak right now. Beyond that, it's a fantastic league all-around.
The refs aren't corrupt and the league isn't fixed. Most of the things people hate David Stern for is utter nonsense (like the ridiculous lotto conspiracy theories propagated by people who don't even understand how the lotto works). He's done a fantastic job overall and deserves a lot of credit.
The suspensions aren't ridiculous... Rondo instigated a brawl and got 2 games. He got off light. I wouldn't have argued with a 1 month suspension for what he did. The Humphries foul on KG wasn't even that hard. The NBA has done a good job of keeping things in check post Pistons/Pacers brawl.
This league has always been dominated by stars. That's part of what makes the NBA so great... it's a sport where individuals can make an impact more so than any other sport. It's what makes players like Russell, Jordan, Hakeem, Magic, Bird, etc so darn iconic. Right now this is King James' league... he could hang with any of those greats. This has always been a league of dynasties. It's always been a league of superstars. The lack of parity is great. We're freakin Boston Celtics fans. Part of what makes this team so historically relevant is the 11 championships Bill Russell (primarily) brought us.
Stopped reading right there.
(http://berkeley.intel-research.net/arahimi/helmet/ali2.jpg)
I understand some folks think the league is rigged, the refs are in the NBA's pocket and trades are dictated by David Stern.
Apparently these silly folks think it started happening AFTER 2008... you know... when David Stern forced the Wolves to trade KG to the Celtics, rigged the playoffs for a Lakers/Celtics finals and gifted a championship to a suffering Boston fanbase. ::)
It's all silly... just silly. This league is fantastic. The superstars in this league are incredible... it's not an Iverson/Vince Carter league... LeBron and Durant are phenomenal. This league is in excellent shape. The only thing that sucks is that Boston is somewhat mediocre right now (in the regular season, at least) and there aren't a ton of great Big Men (Dwight is the best by default). Overall, this league is awesome right now.
Yeah man, Ill drink to that. I love trying to beef up and buy into to conspiracy theories but to say its fixed it a crock. Sterns trying to make money, hes gonna do that, he isnt going to fix the league to do it.
The NBA is great. Ill continue watching because basketball is a passion, the celtics are a passion, the NBA is a passion. People have such a problem with it and complain about it all the time, just to have something to complain and whine about. Dont watch it if its going to make you upset, because those of us that enjoy it want to continue doing so.