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Title: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: Rondo2287 on December 01, 2012, 11:14:12 AM
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Reports are just coming in regarding a tragedy involving the Kansas City Chiefs, but here's what we know at this time. According to KCTV-5 News in Kansas City, an Chiefs player shot and killed his girlfriend at a house near 54th street and Chrysler Avenue on Saturday morning.

The player then drove to a practice facility near the team's main campus and took his own life. The team's Arrowhead practice facility was evacuated and is currently on police lockdown.

"We can confirm that there was an incident at Arrowhead earlier this morning," the team said in a statement this morning. "We are cooperating with authorities in their investigation."

According to FOX Sports' Jay Glazer, the name of the player will not be revealed until his family is informed. The Chiefs are scheduled to play the Carolina Panthers at Arrowhead at 1:00 PM ET Sunday.

Stay tuned for updates on this developing story.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/report-chiefs-player-kills-girlfriend-takes-own-life-154951891--nfl.html

Crazy stuff
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: Moranis on December 01, 2012, 11:18:23 AM
Yeah sucks.  A reminder that no matter your profession, wealth, etc. that mental health issues should never be taken lightly and can strike anyone.  Sucks.
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: ronaldo943 on December 01, 2012, 11:19:45 AM
Sad
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: pearljammer10 on December 01, 2012, 11:35:46 AM
Wow terrible story.
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: Rondo2287 on December 01, 2012, 11:51:52 AM
It was linebacker Jovan Belcher

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/01/chiefs-linebacker-jovan-belcher-dead-in-apparent-murder-suicide/
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: Donoghus on December 01, 2012, 11:56:21 AM
Messed up stuff.  Tragedy.
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: Cman on December 01, 2012, 12:20:14 PM
This is very sad. Thoughts go out to all families involved -- Belcher's and his girlfriend's.
Title: KC police: Chiefs linebacker Javon Belcher killed girlfriend, then self
Post by: KG Living Legend on December 01, 2012, 05:26:12 PM

 Holy Cow, He kills his girl then drives to the stadium and kills himself in front of Scott Pioli And Romeo Crennel. Unreal. 

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Jovan Belcher fatally shot his girlfriend Saturday, then drove to Arrowhead Stadium and committed suicide in front of his coach and general manager.

Authorities did not release a possible motive for the murder-suicide, though police said that Belcher and his girlfriend, 22-year-old Kasandra M. Perkins, had been arguing recently. The two of them have a 3-month-old girl who was being cared for by family.


Belcher thanked general manager Scott Pioli and coach Romeo Crennel before shooting himself in the parking lot of the team’s practice facility, police spokesman Darin Snapp said. Police had locked it down by mid-morning and reporters were confined to the street just outside the gates.

The team said it would play its home game against the Carolina Panthers as scheduled on Sunday at noon local time "after discussions between the league office, Head Coach Romeo Crennel and Chiefs team captains."

A spokesman for Kansas City told The Associated Press that Crennel plans to coach the team.
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: Bahku on December 01, 2012, 08:34:47 PM
University of Maine star ... RIP, Javon.
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: CelticHooligan3 on December 01, 2012, 08:45:23 PM
Reminds me of the senseless Benoit tragedy.. More studies need to be done on the effects of traumatic brain injuries. Add drugs to the mix and it's a disaster doomed to repeat itself.
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: Roy H. on December 01, 2012, 09:09:16 PM
This hits home a bit, as Belcher was a local product (University of Maine).  As far as I know, he was always a good student and a hard working player.  He was recognized locally for being involved in "Male Athletes Against Violence", an anti-domestic violence group, and mentored as a Big Brother.

I feel for his and the victim's family, and especially for the little girl who has been left behind. 
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: tgreanier on December 01, 2012, 09:27:24 PM
I have been an avid Chiefs fan my whole life, and this was a horrible incident. I don't even care anymore how awful Kansas City is, I just feel terrible for the baby. It is also horrifying to imagine being one of the people called out to talk to him, then watch him blow his head off.

I cannot imagine how the Chiefs will have their heads in the game tomorrow. I mean really, how is Crennel going to manage things with that image in his head.

Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: dark_lord on December 01, 2012, 09:44:58 PM
what a jerk.  crazy story
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: Birdman on December 01, 2012, 10:01:14 PM
anthey going to play the game tomorrow..dont think thats right
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: Mike-Dub on December 01, 2012, 10:59:54 PM
R.I.P. to both.  Thoughts and prayers go out to all of their family and friends and their daughter. 
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: hpantazo on December 01, 2012, 11:04:23 PM
Terrible. They should examine his brain if possible, this sounds eerily familiar to a number of athletes who have suffered too many concussions. Here's one example:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/jul/19/nfl-star-brain-injuries-destroyed

and another:

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/chris-benoits-dad-son-suffered-severe-brain-damage/story?id=11471875

They have to find a way to screen guys who are at risk for this and shut them down from sports earlier, before the damage is too far gone.
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: crownsy on December 02, 2012, 02:44:45 PM
This is obviously a terrible tragedy, but if I have to hear one more broadcast team talk about how we "lost a member of our NFL family" and how "it's such a tragedy to lose this young man" I'm going to be sick.

The tragedy is that he murdered another human being and left his daughter an orphan, But if your watching NFL coverage today, you haven't heard anything about that, just what a "fine young man he was" (thanks dan dierdorf) and how KFC was is playing "with heavy hearts after losing their brother" (god I hate bradshaw)

Sickening. Since he was an NFL player we have to pretend that the victim was collateral damage, and go with this narrative that it's such a terrible tragedy we lost this murderer.
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: dark_lord on December 02, 2012, 02:51:34 PM
This is obviously a terrible tragedy, but if I have to hear one more broadcast team talk about how we "lost a member of our NFL family" and how "it's such a tragedy to lose this young man" I'm going to be sick.

The tragedy is that he murdered another human being and left his daughter an orphan, But if your watching NFL coverage today, you haven't heard anything about that, just what a "fine young man he was" (thanks dan dierdorf) and how KFC was is playing "with heavy hearts after losing their brother" (god I hate bradshaw)

Sickening. Since he was an NFL player we have to pretend that the victim was collateral damage, and go with this narrative that it's such a terrible tragedy we lost this murderer.

co-sign, tp
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: Neurotic Guy on December 02, 2012, 03:01:57 PM
This is obviously a terrible tragedy, but if I have to hear one more broadcast team talk about how we "lost a member of our NFL family" and how "it's such a tragedy to lose this young man" I'm going to be sick.

The tragedy is that he murdered another human being and left his daughter an orphan, But if your watching NFL coverage today, you haven't heard anything about that, just what a "fine young man he was" (thanks dan dierdorf) and how KFC was is playing "with heavy hearts after losing their brother" (god I hate bradshaw)

Sickening. Since he was an NFL player we have to pretend that the victim was collateral damage, and go with this narrative that it's such a terrible tragedy we lost this murderer.

Nothing wrong with calling this a tragedy.  It was a tragedy for the player's family, the victim, the victim's family and the child. I think folks who knew him are reacting naturally to the shock that someone they thought they knew could fall apart so completely and do such a horrible thing.  I didn't hear anyone imply that the victim was collateral damage.  That is your interpretation. Most NFL people I heard commented on thoughts and prayers for the families involved.
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: crownsy on December 02, 2012, 03:12:21 PM
This is obviously a terrible tragedy, but if I have to hear one more broadcast team talk about how we "lost a member of our NFL family" and how "it's such a tragedy to lose this young man" I'm going to be sick.

The tragedy is that he murdered another human being and left his daughter an orphan, But if your watching NFL coverage today, you haven't heard anything about that, just what a "fine young man he was" (thanks dan dierdorf) and how KFC was is playing "with heavy hearts after losing their brother" (god I hate bradshaw)

Sickening. Since he was an NFL player we have to pretend that the victim was collateral damage, and go with this narrative that it's such a terrible tragedy we lost this murderer.

Nothing wrong with calling this a tragedy.  It was a tragedy for the player's family, the victim, the victim's family and the child. I think folks who knew him are reacting naturally to the shock that someone they thought they knew could fall apart so completely and do such a horrible thing.  I didn't hear anyone imply that the victim was collateral damage.  That is your interpretation. Most NFL people I heard commented on thoughts and prayers for the families involved.

Right, that would be fine if it was actually what the NFL is going with this afternoon. But it isn't, the brocast teams are ignoring or barley mentioning the fact that this guy murdered someone.

As a counter example, what was the narrative when Benoit murdered his family and himself? you remember a whole lot of heart felt messages about what a "tragedy" it was for his family and friends in the WWF and how we should understand and sympathize with him because benoit killed himself afterwards? Or how we shouldn't judge because we "all have demons?" (another pregame qoute btw)

Or do you remember the focus on  the innocent victims, which is where it should have been placed?

My problem is the coverage by the NFL today, not a disagreement with what you posted.

Hell, if you watched the pregame and halftime show, you'd be hard pressed to even find a mention of the fact that a 25 year old women was murdered. They mentioned that, briefly, in the pregame, and haven't brought it up since.
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: Redz on December 02, 2012, 03:56:21 PM


This is obviously a terrible tragedy, but if I have to hear one more broadcast team talk about how we "lost a member of our NFL family" and how "it's such a tragedy to lose this young man" I'm going to be sick.

The tragedy is that he murdered another human being and left his daughter an orphan, But if your watching NFL coverage today, you haven't heard anything about that, just what a "fine young man he was" (thanks dan dierdorf) and how KFC was is playing "with heavy hearts after losing their brother" (god I hate bradshaw)

Sickening. Since he was an NFL player we have to pretend that the victim was collateral damage, and go with this narrative that it's such a terrible tragedy we lost this murderer.

Nothing wrong with calling this a tragedy.  It was a tragedy for the player's family, the victim, the victim's family and the child. I think folks who knew him are reacting naturally to the shock that someone they thought they knew could fall apart so completely and do such a horrible thing.  I didn't hear anyone imply that the victim was collateral damage.  That is your interpretation. Most NFL people I heard commented on thoughts and prayers for the families involved.

Right, that would be fine if it was actually what the NFL is going with this afternoon. But it isn't, the brocast teams are ignoring or barley mentioning the fact that this guy murdered someone.

As a counter example, what was the narrative when Benoit murdered his family and himself? you remember a whole lot of heart felt messages about what a "tragedy" it was for his family and friends in the WWF and how we should understand and sympathize with him because benoit killed himself afterwards? Or how we shouldn't judge because we "all have demons?" (another pregame qoute btw)

Or do you remember the focus on  the innocent victims, which is where it should have been placed?

My problem is the coverage by the NFL today, not a disagreement with what you posted.

Hell, if you watched the pregame and halftime show, you'd be hard pressed to even find a mention of the fact that a 25 year old women was murdered. They mentioned that, briefly, in the pregame, and haven't brought it up since.

I hear ya Crownsy.

Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: action781 on December 02, 2012, 04:09:48 PM
Interesting and good point crownsy.  You NEVER hear the media sympathize or feel for the "victims" that are other murderers who have committed murder-suicides if those people are outside of the entertainment industry.
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: Finkelskyhook on December 02, 2012, 05:44:32 PM
This is obviously a terrible tragedy, but if I have to hear one more broadcast team talk about how we "lost a member of our NFL family" and how "it's such a tragedy to lose this young man" I'm going to be sick.

The tragedy is that he murdered another human being and left his daughter an orphan, But if your watching NFL coverage today, you haven't heard anything about that, just what a "fine young man he was" (thanks dan dierdorf) and how KFC was is playing "with heavy hearts after losing their brother" (god I hate bradshaw)

Sickening. Since he was an NFL player we have to pretend that the victim was collateral damage, and go with this narrative that it's such a terrible tragedy we lost this murderer.

co-sign, tp

I was going to say the same thing.

Cowardly piece of garbage.  Stop trying to rationalize this stuff.  The trajedy is the people affected.  But any redeeming quality Belcher had....Like Benoit...Should be forgotten.
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: Finkelskyhook on December 02, 2012, 05:53:39 PM
Terrible. They should examine his brain if possible, this sounds eerily familiar to a number of athletes who have suffered too many concussions. Here's one example:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/jul/19/nfl-star-brain-injuries-destroyed

and another:

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/chris-benoits-dad-son-suffered-severe-brain-damage/story?id=11471875

They have to find a way to screen guys who are at risk for this and shut them down from sports earlier, before the damage is too far gone.

How do you suggest ....Or who do you suggest do said screening?  The same "mental health professionals" who brought us the fraud of attention deficit disorder?  Who overdiagnose virtually every condition? 

Stop trying to rationalize this stuff.  There are bad people in the world.  How could you screen Belcher?...Who appears to have no history of anything remotely related to this kind of behavior.  And come to the conclusion that he was capable of this?
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: hpantazo on December 02, 2012, 06:07:01 PM
Terrible. They should examine his brain if possible, this sounds eerily familiar to a number of athletes who have suffered too many concussions. Here's one example:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/jul/19/nfl-star-brain-injuries-destroyed

and another:

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/chris-benoits-dad-son-suffered-severe-brain-damage/story?id=11471875

They have to find a way to screen guys who are at risk for this and shut them down from sports earlier, before the damage is too far gone.

How do you suggest ....Or who do you suggest do said screening?  The same "mental health professionals" who brought us the fraud of attention deficit disorder?  Who overdiagnose virtually every condition? 

Stop trying to rationalize this stuff.  There are bad people in the world.  How could you screen Belcher?...Who appears to have no history of anything remotely related to this kind of behavior.  And come to the conclusion that he was capable of this?

ADHD is overdiagnosed, yes, but it is a real disorder. There is a large amount of evidence for athletes in high impact sports who were overall good people but quickly deteriorated and killed someone close to them and/or themselves.

There is an excellent research center at Boston University that has made great progress studying the effects of repeated traumatic brain injuries on athletes. Check out their website:

http://www.bu.edu/cste/

It's a relatively new field, but if they can identify a pattern of early brain changes detectable by MRI or DTI imaging, together with genetic factors that can be seen by blood tests, that can trigger the massive degeneration that happens in these guys, this can be prevented. Look at the research. These athletes have brain tissue degeneration in their 30's and 40's that are usually only found in 90 years olds with severe dementia. These are not ways to rationalize people being bad, there are certainly a lot of bad people (for example OJ Simpson) in the world that don't have brain damage, but these athletes have well defined physically detectable brain changes indicating severe damage that is responsible for these behaviors.
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: hpantazo on December 03, 2012, 08:15:20 AM
Here's an article from today's Boston Globe describing this exact problem:

http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/health/2012/12/03/boston-researchers-find-new-evidence-linking-repeat-concussions-permanent-brain-injury/qvJNGvLChiDRQOC0xkIKUJ/story.html

"The new study described four stages of the disease, noting that symptoms can progress for years after head trauma. It starts with headaches and problems with concentration in the early stages, followed by depression, aggression, explosive anger and short-term memory loss. Then comes more serious cognitive impairment, and eventually full-blown dementia where a person doesn’t recognize loved ones."
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: Moranis on December 03, 2012, 08:33:22 AM
This is obviously a terrible tragedy, but if I have to hear one more broadcast team talk about how we "lost a member of our NFL family" and how "it's such a tragedy to lose this young man" I'm going to be sick.

The tragedy is that he murdered another human being and left his daughter an orphan, But if your watching NFL coverage today, you haven't heard anything about that, just what a "fine young man he was" (thanks dan dierdorf) and how KFC was is playing "with heavy hearts after losing their brother" (god I hate bradshaw)

Sickening. Since he was an NFL player we have to pretend that the victim was collateral damage, and go with this narrative that it's such a terrible tragedy we lost this murderer.
The Chiefs owner gets it.  Some of the players wanted to wear Belcher's number on their jerseys and the owner refused because he had killed his girlfriend before killing himself. 
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: Rondo2287 on December 03, 2012, 08:36:18 AM
This is obviously a terrible tragedy, but if I have to hear one more broadcast team talk about how we "lost a member of our NFL family" and how "it's such a tragedy to lose this young man" I'm going to be sick.

The tragedy is that he murdered another human being and left his daughter an orphan, But if your watching NFL coverage today, you haven't heard anything about that, just what a "fine young man he was" (thanks dan dierdorf) and how KFC was is playing "with heavy hearts after losing their brother" (god I hate bradshaw)

Sickening. Since he was an NFL player we have to pretend that the victim was collateral damage, and go with this narrative that it's such a terrible tragedy we lost this murderer.
The Chiefs owner gets it.  Some of the players wanted to wear Belcher's number on their jerseys and the owner refused because he had killed his girlfriend before killing himself.

On WEEI this morning they said he shot his girlfriend 9 times.  Is that true?  Gerry Callahan is prone to hyperbole
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: Finkelskyhook on December 03, 2012, 10:22:47 AM
Who won the Sunday night game last night?  I wanted to watch until I heard Bob Costas make a blithering fool of himself.  I turned the channel. 

It ain't the gun's fault, Costas...You idiot.
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: Moranis on December 03, 2012, 10:38:40 AM
Who won the Sunday night game last night?  I wanted to watch until I heard Bob Costas make a blithering fool of himself.  I turned the channel. 

It ain't the gun's fault, Costas...You idiot.
Costas was apparently quoting Whitlock's article.

This however is a pretty spot on commentary.

http://voices.yahoo.com/javon-belchers-actions-bring-attention-gun-control-11918216.html (http://voices.yahoo.com/javon-belchers-actions-bring-attention-gun-control-11918216.html)
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: Finkelskyhook on December 03, 2012, 10:47:55 AM
Who won the Sunday night game last night?  I wanted to watch until I heard Bob Costas make a blithering fool of himself.  I turned the channel. 

It ain't the gun's fault, Costas...You idiot.
Costas was apparently quoting Whitlock's article.

This however is a pretty spot on commentary.

http://voices.yahoo.com/javon-belchers-actions-bring-attention-gun-control-11918216.html (http://voices.yahoo.com/javon-belchers-actions-bring-attention-gun-control-11918216.html)

Wow...First time I've seen a Yahoo article either right or worth reading.  Thanks Moranis.
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: Moranis on December 03, 2012, 11:17:21 AM
Who won the Sunday night game last night?  I wanted to watch until I heard Bob Costas make a blithering fool of himself.  I turned the channel. 

It ain't the gun's fault, Costas...You idiot.
Costas was apparently quoting Whitlock's article.

This however is a pretty spot on commentary.

http://voices.yahoo.com/javon-belchers-actions-bring-attention-gun-control-11918216.html (http://voices.yahoo.com/javon-belchers-actions-bring-attention-gun-control-11918216.html)

Wow...First time I've seen a Yahoo article either right or worth reading.  Thanks Moranis.
really.  I find yahoo generally has the best commentary and news.  They are after all the second most read internet sports site in the world for a reason (and yahoo is 4th among all sites behind google, facebook, youtube).
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: Moranis on December 04, 2012, 10:44:15 AM
apparently the Chiefs had provided couples counseling for Belcher and Perkins.

http://news.yahoo.com/chiefs-had-given-counseling-belcher-girlfriend-145015042--nfl.html (http://news.yahoo.com/chiefs-had-given-counseling-belcher-girlfriend-145015042--nfl.html)
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: hpantazo on December 04, 2012, 07:13:19 PM
Terrible. They should examine his brain if possible, this sounds eerily familiar to a number of athletes who have suffered too many concussions. Here's one example:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/jul/19/nfl-star-brain-injuries-destroyed

and another:

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/chris-benoits-dad-son-suffered-severe-brain-damage/story?id=11471875

They have to find a way to screen guys who are at risk for this and shut them down from sports earlier, before the damage is too far gone.

How do you suggest ....Or who do you suggest do said screening?  The same "mental health professionals" who brought us the fraud of attention deficit disorder?  Who overdiagnose virtually every condition? 

Stop trying to rationalize this stuff.  There are bad people in the world.  How could you screen Belcher?...Who appears to have no history of anything remotely related to this kind of behavior.  And come to the conclusion that he was capable of this?

ADHD is overdiagnosed, yes, but it is a real disorder. There is a large amount of evidence for athletes in high impact sports who were overall good people but quickly deteriorated and killed someone close to them and/or themselves.

There is an excellent research center at Boston University that has made great progress studying the effects of repeated traumatic brain injuries on athletes. Check out their website:

http://www.bu.edu/cste/

It's a relatively new field, but if they can identify a pattern of early brain changes detectable by MRI or DTI imaging, together with genetic factors that can be seen by blood tests, that can trigger the massive degeneration that happens in these guys, this can be prevented. Look at the research. These athletes have brain tissue degeneration in their 30's and 40's that are usually only found in 90 years olds with severe dementia. These are not ways to rationalize people being bad, there are certainly a lot of bad people (for example OJ Simpson) in the world that don't have brain damage, but these athletes have well defined physically detectable brain changes indicating severe damage that is responsible for these behaviors.

Here's another article about football players and this brain disease that comes from repeated trauma.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/04/health/football-brain-disease/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: Fan from VT on December 04, 2012, 08:40:39 PM
apparently the Chiefs had provided couples counseling for Belcher and Perkins.

http://news.yahoo.com/chiefs-had-given-counseling-belcher-girlfriend-145015042--nfl.html (http://news.yahoo.com/chiefs-had-given-counseling-belcher-girlfriend-145015042--nfl.html)

Unfortunately couples counseling does not help and  most often worsens domestic violence cases.
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: Roy H. on December 04, 2012, 08:58:26 PM
apparently the Chiefs had provided couples counseling for Belcher and Perkins.

http://news.yahoo.com/chiefs-had-given-counseling-belcher-girlfriend-145015042--nfl.html (http://news.yahoo.com/chiefs-had-given-counseling-belcher-girlfriend-145015042--nfl.html)

Unfortunately couples counseling does not help and  most often worsens domestic violence cases.

Really?  I'd be interested in reading more about this.
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: nickagneta on December 04, 2012, 09:28:24 PM
apparently the Chiefs had provided couples counseling for Belcher and Perkins.

http://news.yahoo.com/chiefs-had-given-counseling-belcher-girlfriend-145015042--nfl.html (http://news.yahoo.com/chiefs-had-given-counseling-belcher-girlfriend-145015042--nfl.html)

Unfortunately couples counseling does not help and  most often worsens domestic violence cases.
Each case is different and needs to be assessed. The general rule is if both partners want to work together to rebuild the marriage and end the violence, couples or marriage counseling is recommended. If the case is severe then that type of counseling would not be recommended.

Its not as clear cut as you are painting it.
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on December 04, 2012, 09:34:44 PM
i cant wrap my mind around this..

 in my world..nuthin could make me go out like that.

even with money if u not happy inside it just like being broke

*sippin and pouring out a lil*


Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: Fan from VT on December 04, 2012, 10:06:29 PM
apparently the Chiefs had provided couples counseling for Belcher and Perkins.

http://news.yahoo.com/chiefs-had-given-counseling-belcher-girlfriend-145015042--nfl.html (http://news.yahoo.com/chiefs-had-given-counseling-belcher-girlfriend-145015042--nfl.html)

Unfortunately couples counseling does not help and  most often worsens domestic violence cases.

Really?  I'd be interested in reading more about this.

Couples counseling is based on the premise that there is equal opportunity for conversation, equivalent weight placed on the goals of both couples, and equal senses of safety for each party to communicate. In a household of domestic abuse, this fundamental necessity does not exist; the sense of safety, the equal weight of goals. In general, when abuse is taking place, such counseling goes one of two ways. Either the abuser, with varying degrees of subtlety, gets the counsilor on their "side", with the abusee often too afraid or with esteem too beaten down to voice dissent. Often, then, the process of the "therapy" becomes yet another of multiple areas of "proof" that the abusee should keep their place, be less crazy, etc. On the other hand, the therapy may actually be "successful" in the sense that each party's goals become explicit and may not be convergent. Or the abusee may learn some sense of empowerment and equality. Either way, this can lead to the abuser feeling that they are losing control of their partner, of the situation...and control is one of the primary motivators of abuse. During this period of impending loss of control, violence is escalated (which is why the most dangerous time for an abusee is immediately after leaving; even though abusers generally always have some reason for violence that involved the abusee being unreasonable or royally irritating them, it's really the control; when the abusee leaves they obviously are no longer irritating the person, but they have abruptly removed the control of the situation from the abuser).

Edit: essentially, the "it takes two to tango" philosophy is one of the most damaging thoughts that perpetuates violent relationships.
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: Roy H. on December 05, 2012, 08:35:01 AM
I'm in favor of gun control, but this is probably a kid who shouldn't have had a gun.

At Maine, he punched out a window over an issue with a girlfriend.  That was several years ago, but it suggests an issue with impulse control and anger.  If those were ongoing issues, he should have done a self-assessment and realized he shouldn't own a firearm.  I get that he could have done the same thing with a knife or a bat or whatever, but the gun certainly didn't help the situation.

From reports, he shot her nine times, then almost immediately kissed her and apologized to her.  His lack of control caused him to kill a woman he loved, and left a daughter he loved parentless. 

I don't know if this is a case where the guy just had mental health issues, or if it was due to concussions, or PEDs.  It's just tragic that if this guy had done some self-assessment, both he and his innocent victim could still be alive.

Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: Roy H. on December 14, 2012, 02:27:50 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/jovan-belcher-mother-says-her-son-questioned-paternity-160900469--nfl.html
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: action781 on December 14, 2012, 04:26:23 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/jovan-belcher-mother-says-her-son-questioned-paternity-160900469--nfl.html

"Prior to turning his gun on himself, Belcher reportedly asked Chiefs head coach Romeo Crennel and GM Scott Pioli to look after Zoey."

What a cowardly and selfish thing to say to someone.
Title: Re: Kansas City Chiefs Player Kills Girlfriend then Self
Post by: Moranis on December 19, 2012, 12:56:36 PM
apparently Belcher had texted another woman that he was going to kill Perkins like a couple of months before he actually did.  The other woman thought he was joking and thus didn't report it.