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Title: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: FLCeltsFan on November 30, 2012, 11:36:18 PM
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Boston Celtics (9-7) at Milwaukee Bucks (7-7)
Saturday, December 1, 2012
8:30 PM ET
Regular Season Game #17, Road Game #8
TV:  CSN-NE,  FSNWI,  NBA-LP 755(POR/756(BOS)
Radio:  WEEI, WTMJ
Bradley Center

(http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4d30c6814bd7c8907e210000-400-300/bradley-center-milwaukee-wi-milwaukee-bucks.jpg)

Probable Starting Matchups
Point Guard
(http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/jason_terry.jpg)  vs  (http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/3997.jpg)
Jason Terry vs Brandon Jennings

Shooting Guard

(http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/courtney_lee.jpg)  vs  (http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/monta_ellis.jpg)
Courtney Lee vs Monta Ellis

Small Forward

(http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/662.jpg)  vs  (http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/tobias_harris.jpg)
Paul Pierce vs Tobias Harris 

Power Forward
(http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/brandon_bass.jpg)  vs  (http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/john_henson.jpg)
Brandon Bass vs John Henson

Center

(http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/261.jpg)  vs  (http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/samuel_dalembert.jpg)
Kevin Garnett vs Samuel Dalembert

(http://onmilwaukee.com/images/articles/sc/scorecard032809/scorecard032809_fullsize_story1.jpg)

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Celtics Reserves

Jared Sullinger
Jason Collins
Jeff Green
Kris Joseph
Leandro Barbosa
Chris Wilcox

Injuries
Avery Bradley (shoulders) out

Red Claws
Fab Melo

Suspended
Rajon Rondo

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Bucks Bench
Marquis Daniels
Mike Dunleavy
Drew Gooden
Doron Lamb
Larry Sanders
Ekpe Udoh
Joel Przybilla
Ersan Ilyasova

Injuries
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute (knee) out 
Beno Udrih (leg)  questionable

Team Connections:
Bucks Assistant Coach Joe Wolf played for the Celtics during the 1992-93 season…
 Bucks Trainer Marc Boff worked for the Celtics for eight seasons as an assistant trainer and physical therapist
Armond Hill played for the Bucks during the 1982-83 season
Brandon Jennings, Doron Lamb and Rajon Rondo attended Oak Hill Academy
Drew Gooden and Paul Pierce both attended the University of Kansas
Bucks Assistant Coach Jim Boylan and Celtics Head Coach Doc Rivers both attended Marquette Universtiy
Courtney Lee and Samuel Dalembert were teammates in Houston during the 2011-12 season
Jason Terry was teammates with Joel Przybilla in Atlanta during the 2003-04 season
Jason Terry and Drew Gooden were teammates in Dallas during the 2009-10 season.
Marquis Daniels played for the Celtics from 2009-12

Game Notes
The Celtics will try to win 2 in a row as they visit the Bucks without their mercurial point guard.  The Celtics lost to the Bucks in their home opener but came back and beat the Bucks in Milwaukee 8 days later.  This is the third meeting between these two teams with one more scheduled later this month. 

Both teams are playing in the second of back to back games and both teams will be traveling.  The Celtics are coming off a 96-78 win over the  Trailblazers at home.  The Bucks are coming off a 95-85 loss in Milwaukee.   

Rondo will be out once again.  Doc started Terry at the point and Lee at the 2 guard against the Blazers and that seemed to work out well.  .  He may go with that starting lineup once again or he may try Barbosa at the point to stay with the speedy Jennings.  Whichever players start,  all three must pick up their games and play harder, tougher and smarter to help make up for the absence of Rondo. 

The Celtics have the pieces to be very good but they just can't seem to put it together.  They seem to be getting it together and then they come out totally flat as a team.  Hopefully Doc's comments about the team being soft will hit home and each player will dig down deep and find some toughness, along with some consistency,  especially on defense  and on the glass. 

Interesting fact:  Larry Sanders had a career-high 10 blocks to go with 10 points and 12 rebounds in the Bucks loss on Friday night. 

Key Matchups
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.e1d/img/4.0/global/basketball/nba/players/3333.jpg)vs(http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.e1d/img/4.0/global/basketball/nba/players/4615.jpg)
Jason Terry  vs Brandon Jennings
Jennings has been a tough matchup for Rondo and it is even tougher for Terry who isn't used to playing the point.   Doc may rotate his shooting guards through the point guard spot if JET struggles.  We may even see Doc go back to Barbosa starting to cover the speedy Jennings.  Without Rondo, this spot is one big question mark.   

(http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.e1d/img/4.0/global/basketball/nba/players/4484.jpg)vs(http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.e1d/img/4.0/global/basketball/nba/players/3966.jpg)
Courtney Lee vs Monta Ellis 
Ellis is capable of putting a lot of points on the board and CLee needs to clamp down defensively to try to contain him.  Lee defended Ellis well in their first two meetings. Lee has been struggling on the offensive end and trying to find his role on the team.   Hopefully he can find his stroke soon along with continuing to play tough defense. 

Honorable Mention
Kevin Garnett vs Samuel Dalembert
Dalembert scored just 2 points in the first game between these two teams while KG scored 15.  In the second meeting KG scored 18 points while Dalembert came up with 14.  KG can dominate this matchup if he plays hard and looks to score. 

Keys to the Game

DEFENSE! -   The Celtics must tighten up their defense, especially on the pick and roll.  They allowed way too many easy points against the Bucks in their home opener.  Hopefully we will see the tough defense that we have come to expect from the Celtics, especially after being called soft by their coach two games ago.   The Bucks can put up a lot of points and they also defend well so the Celtics must play tough defense if they want to get this win.   

Rebound - The Celtics must crash the boards to prevent the Bucks from getting second chance points.  Rebounding is all about effort and when the Celtics put out the effort on the boards that effort seems to carry over into all the other areas of their game.  Failure to rebound will result in a failure to win.  The Celtics were outrebounded 46 to 36 in their first meeting.  They were out rebounded 44-40 in the second game.  That's one area the team as a whole needs to show more toughness.

Bench Play
- The Celtics bench isn't as deep as we once thought it to be.  Without Rondo, the Celtics don't have a true playmaker and will be using a rotation of their 3 shooting guards to cover the position.  The Celtics must get more from Jeff Green, Chris Wilcox, Leandro Barbosa,  and Jared Sullinger.

X-Factors

Toughness and No Rondo
The Celtics showed some toughness and finally played tough defense against the Blazers.  Can they do that two games in a row?  Can the players pick up their games once again to fill in for Rondo?   We shall see. 
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: TenaciousD on December 01, 2012, 04:35:57 PM
The Buck'os wings (bucket of wings?) presents a challenge to JT, Lee and Leo. Hoping the C's can repeat last night's magic. More than anything would love to see El Jeffe put together 2 good games in a row.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: ACF on December 01, 2012, 04:41:48 PM
Another GT, another TP. I'll have to get you one more back, since I missed the Blazers thread. Alright, when Karma allows...



GO CELTICS!




Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: FLCeltsFan on December 01, 2012, 04:45:08 PM
Official Report

Marc Davis

Marc Davis, an avid outdoorsman, has been an NBA official for the past 15 seasons, working 851 regular season games and 43 playoff games, and the 2007 NBA All-Star Game. Davis officiated his first two Finals games during the 2010- 11 season. In addition to his NBA experience, Davis has three years of CBA officiating experience and three years of collegiate basketball officiating experience in the OVC and TAAC Junior Colleges. In 2000, Davis was the recipient of the Honorary Nate Humphries Award, an honor given by the Chicago Public League Coaches Association in recognition of enshrinement of an official into the Chicago Public League Hall of Fame.

Davis was investigated for threatening to whoop Allen Iverson's a** when AI complained about a call in a game in 2005, but was not suspended for it. The Celtics are 7-3 in their last 10 games with Davis on the court. One loss last season was a 1 point loss to the Cavs in which Davis and friends ignored a very obvious foul committed against Paul Pierce in the final seconds of the game and in which the Cavs shot 20 free throws to 14 for the Celtics. In a win against the Hawks last season with Davis the officiating was terrible. The Hawks shot 23 free throws to 13 for the Celtics. KG fouled out in that game on a terrible call. They were holding his jersey and had an elbow in his back and they called the foul on KG. Stiemsma fouled out shortly after on two more terrible calls. In the 4th quarter, 12 fouls were called on the Celtics and only 4 on the Hawks. In OT, 4 fouls were called on the Celtics while none were called on the Hawks, even through there were several very obvious fouls committed. Donny Marshall usually doesn't comment on the officiating but said that the Celtics needed to send the tape of this game to the league because Davis made it all about him. Davis also called Game 1 of the Hawks series last season. There were missed and bad calls the entire game. At one point, the ref at half court called an obvious foul on the Hawks when Davis, right next to the play, failed to call it. The frustration over the lack of calls boiled over and resulted in Rondo bumping Davis and being ejected. The Bucks are 6-4 in their last 10 games with Davis on the court. His home W/L record is 6-6.

Bennie Adams

A former math instructor at Southern University, Bennie Adams joined the NBA officiating staff 18 seasons ago, and since then has officiated 956 regular season and seven playoff games. In addition, he has been a USA Basketball official since 1995. Adams has also officiated the 2008 NBA Europe Live Tour and the 2002 NBA All Star Rookie Challenge. Adams officiated in the CBA for three years, and worked the 1996 CBA Finals. He also has three years of collegiate officiating experience in the Southeastern, Ohio Valley, Trans America Athletic and Southwestern Athletic Conferences. Adams also has 10 years of high school officiating experience in Louisiana. Adams has both a Masters and Bachelors degree in mathematics from Southern University.

Adams tends to be inconsistent especially on charge/block calls. He is one of Tommy Heinsohn's least favorites. In one game, Tommy went ballistic yelling at the top of his lungs "GO BACK TO YOUR MOMMA BENNIE ADAMS!!!" This is Adam's second game with the Celtics this season and they are 6-4 in their last 10 with Adams on the court. The 4 games he officiated for the Celtics last season were all called fairly even. The game this season was a win over the Wizards where there were a few missed calls but the officiating was good. The Bucks are 5-5 in their last 10 games with Adams. His home team W/L record this season is 9-5.


Haywoode Workman

Haywoode Workman has officiated 209 regular season games in his first four NBA seasons. A second round draft pick by the Atlanta Hawks in 1989, he played professionally for eight seasons in the NBA and overseas betweeen 1989 to 2000. He spent four seasons officiating in the NBA Development League and also officiated in the CBA before joining the NBA. Workman joins Bernie Fryer and Leon Wood on the short list of NBA players who have made the transition to officiating. Workman was an All-State quarterback in North Carolina in 1983 and played in the NC/SC Shrine Bowl. He played one year of football and basketball for the all time winnigest HBCU coach the late Clearence "Big House" Gaines at Winston-Salem State University. He was inducted into the Oral Roberts University Athletics Hall of Fame in 2003.

The Celtics are 6-4 over the last 10 games with Workman, including a loss to Philly in the preseason. There hasn't been a lot of controversy over his officiating. Unlike Davis and Adams, he keeps a low profile. The Bucks are 5-5 in their last 10 with Workman. His home W/L record is 8-2 this season.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 01, 2012, 04:45:16 PM
Green has shown his game can make or break this team . When his teammates can count on him , the Celtics look like a contender.  If Green disappears as he has done in the past, it will a tuff win to get minus Rondo.

GO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Celtics !!!! ;D
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: FLCeltsFan on December 01, 2012, 04:45:50 PM
Another GT, another TP. I'll have to get you one more back, since I missed the Blazers thread. Alright, when Karma allows...



GO CELTICS!
Thanks ACF.  A TP right back at you. 
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: fitzhickey on December 01, 2012, 04:47:47 PM
Tp, btw is bass starting or sully, because it says sully but it's a picture of bass
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Neurotic Guy on December 01, 2012, 04:56:59 PM
Green has shown his game can make or break this team . When his teammates can count on him , the Celtics look like a contender.  If Green disappears as he has done in the past, it will a tuff win to get minus Rondo.

GO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Celtics !!!! ;D

Good point on Green.  I said before the season that I thought Green and Sullinger are the team's wild cards.  I thought this because every other player was a pretty well-known entity in terms of what they would bring to the table.  Most have performed as advertised (though the defensive whole has been surprisingly weak) -- maybe Lee has underperformed a bit but looked great last night.  But I thought Green and/or Sully might bring something new and great to the table.  Sully seems to be progressing and Green has occasionally showed what he can do.  If they can be consistent (Sully has been lately, just needs to keep improving), I think C's can be a scary good team.

Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: FLCeltsFan on December 01, 2012, 05:48:15 PM
Tp, btw is bass starting or sully, because it says sully but it's a picture of bass

Thanks for catching that.  I had looked at one set of  game notes that said Sully and then found the new ones and it's Bass starting as far as I know 

TP
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 01, 2012, 06:07:31 PM
Green has shown his game can make or break this team . When his teammates can count on him , the Celtics look like a contender.  If Green disappears as he has done in the past, it will a tuff win to get minus Rondo.

GO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Celtics !!!! ;D

ha, ha...are the celtics playing soccer now?  ;D

go celtics!!! and a tp for the thread.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 01, 2012, 08:43:50 PM
Terrible start!
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: lon3lytoaster on December 01, 2012, 08:46:11 PM
Terrible start!

I agree. Blow it up.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 01, 2012, 08:46:21 PM
Bass has gotten way to complacent with the jump shot
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: hpantazo on December 01, 2012, 08:47:12 PM
Bass has gotten way to complacent with the jump shot

and he's lost his touch lately too
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 01, 2012, 08:47:30 PM
Terrible start!

I agree. Blow it up.

Season is doomed, trade Collins for Gortat!
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: mr. dee on December 01, 2012, 08:47:47 PM
Nice. The bucks are still scoreless.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: CelticsFan9 on December 01, 2012, 08:47:57 PM
Hot start.  Great defense.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: lon3lytoaster on December 01, 2012, 08:49:30 PM
Is it 2008?
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on December 01, 2012, 08:50:08 PM
great start wit swarming defense Bucks announcers gotta stop callin us old tho
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 01, 2012, 08:50:22 PM
Is Wilcox injured?
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: lon3lytoaster on December 01, 2012, 08:50:56 PM
Is Wilcox injured?

Think he's been sick.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: mr. dee on December 01, 2012, 08:52:03 PM
Is this the real turnaround for this team? (fingers crossed)
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Scottie on December 01, 2012, 08:53:11 PM
It's obvious the Rondo is totally redundant to this team.

Trade him now, while we still can get some value.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: lon3lytoaster on December 01, 2012, 08:54:31 PM
A Courtney Lee three?! Yes
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Scottie on December 01, 2012, 08:54:35 PM
I'm joking of course...
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: mr. dee on December 01, 2012, 08:55:21 PM
Lee for THREEEE!!!!!!
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 01, 2012, 08:56:13 PM
I don't like Pierce bringing the ball down against Daniels.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: mr. dee on December 01, 2012, 08:56:51 PM
First, its Lee. Now it's Jet!
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: ummidkme on December 01, 2012, 08:58:15 PM
Bass has gotten way to complacent with the jump shot

and he's lost his touch lately too

I think it stems from his dislocating his finger a couple games back. He had a rebound game and then has slowly declined.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Scottie on December 01, 2012, 08:58:50 PM
Don't get me wrong, I Love the Captain. But it seems like he's had his shot blocked more this season than he has for his entire career.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: lon3lytoaster on December 01, 2012, 09:00:14 PM
Sullys learning..
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 01, 2012, 09:02:17 PM
This might be my favorite 1st quarter since the Big 3 came to town.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: SCeltic34 on December 01, 2012, 09:02:28 PM
Glad Doc yelled at Barbosa to get the last shot, he looked like he lost sight of the game clock like he did the other night against Brooklyn.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Change on December 01, 2012, 09:02:59 PM
Does this team even need a point guard? We have bunch of guys who can initiate the offense, and either set a teammate up or score themselves.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Scottie on December 01, 2012, 09:03:44 PM
Sullys learning..

He sure is, he's finding his spots defensively. Figuring out he's better off taking a chanrge than going for a block.

And double wow on that last play of the quarter. One...the confidence he has in his jump shot and two....Barbosa passed!!!!
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: angryguy77 on December 01, 2012, 09:06:16 PM
So far the tickets were worth the $ ;D
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 01, 2012, 09:06:28 PM
That's a flop.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: lon3lytoaster on December 01, 2012, 09:06:46 PM
Can't wait till Sullinger gets some respect. He doesn't really deserve half the fouls he's called for.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Scottie on December 01, 2012, 09:07:29 PM
Can't wait till Sullinger gets some respect. He doesn't really deserve half the fouls he's called for.

Word...
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 01, 2012, 09:12:36 PM
That move by Bass is awful.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on December 01, 2012, 09:14:08 PM
they startin to come back smh gotta get some good offensive sets crackin
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 01, 2012, 09:14:21 PM
Bass has looked awful and that call on Sully was garbage
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Chief on December 01, 2012, 09:16:07 PM
Does this team even need a point guard? We have bunch of guys who can initiate the offense, and either set a teammate up or score themselves.

Against the Bucks, no. Against the top 6 teams in the league, yes!
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Chief on December 01, 2012, 09:17:49 PM
I wish Green would instantly make his post move. Use your speed!!!!
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Neurotic Guy on December 01, 2012, 09:18:39 PM
Can it be 2 games in a row?  7 points for Jeff.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: CDawg834 on December 01, 2012, 09:18:53 PM
Between this and last night's game, I feel like the offense just dies when the 2nd unit is in.  Zero ball movement, and Green is turning into a ball stopper.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: SCeltic34 on December 01, 2012, 09:19:11 PM
Love that Doc ran a play for Green out of the timeout.  Green's got it going after the post-up bucket he got.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: mr. dee on December 01, 2012, 09:19:25 PM
GREEENNN FOR THREEEE!!!!!
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Chief on December 01, 2012, 09:20:07 PM
Can it be 2 games in a row?  7 points for Jeff.

I really hope so.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 01, 2012, 09:20:53 PM
Between this and last night's game, I feel like the offense just dies when the 2nd unit is in.  Zero ball movement, and Green is turning into a ball stopper.

Our 2nd unit, is pretty much our 3rd unit considering our injuries/suspensions/sickness. And Green is doing no ball stopping at all.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Neurotic Guy on December 01, 2012, 09:23:25 PM
Bass isn't hitting his shot lately, but he has been active on the glass.

Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: hpantazo on December 01, 2012, 09:23:27 PM
time to take Bass out
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on December 01, 2012, 09:24:40 PM
hate how these dudes is lingering around
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: CDawg834 on December 01, 2012, 09:25:07 PM
Between this and last night's game, I feel like the offense just dies when the 2nd unit is in.  Zero ball movement, and Green is turning into a ball stopper.

Our 2nd unit, is pretty much our 3rd unit considering our injuries/suspensions/sickness. And Green is doing no ball stopping at all.

Bass, Green, and Barbosa are absolutely our 2nd unit guys.  We've known since last year about "No Pass Bass."  I feel like Green isn't the ballhog Bass can be, but there's no reason for him to hold the ball forever trying to post up his guy.  It's probably Doc going out of his way to run plays for him to boost his confidence, but it still slows down the offense too much, causing them to rely on contested jump shots late in the shot clock.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Chief on December 01, 2012, 09:25:09 PM
time to take Bass out

I guess he forgot to watch the scouting tape on Sanders.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: tgreanier on December 01, 2012, 09:25:16 PM
The Bucks are a good team. My son was all excited when the Celtics were up 17-0, laughing that this was going to be easy. I knew better. This is going to be a game.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: vinnie on December 01, 2012, 09:26:46 PM
Pierce has to be injured. He has no lift and no latteral movement. Looks terrible. Smh. 17- point led down to 4
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 01, 2012, 09:27:53 PM
Between this and last night's game, I feel like the offense just dies when the 2nd unit is in.  Zero ball movement, and Green is turning into a ball stopper.

Our 2nd unit, is pretty much our 3rd unit considering our injuries/suspensions/sickness. And Green is doing no ball stopping at all.

Bass, Green, and Barbosa are absolutely our 2nd unit guys.  We've known since last year about "No Pass Bass."  I feel like Green isn't the ballhog Bass can be, but there's no reason for him to hold the ball forever trying to post up his guy.  It's probably Doc going out of his way to run plays for him to boost his confidence, but it still slows down the offense too much, causing them to rely on contested jump shots late in the shot clock.

Green is 4 for 5 and he's made his moves quick.

Barbosa is really not 2nd unit, he's really filling in as second unit until Bradley is back. We're also playing Collins. And because of injuries, player rotations are off, no consistency, and Doc is doing random substitutions to keep our players fresh.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: hpantazo on December 01, 2012, 09:28:04 PM
Pierce has to be injured. He has no lift and no latteral movement. Looks terrible. Smh. 17- point led down to 4

the captain is getting old
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: SCeltic34 on December 01, 2012, 09:28:21 PM
Collins is huge defensive liability on the floor.  Please get him out Doc.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Change on December 01, 2012, 09:28:55 PM
sanders is a freaking octopus.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: snively on December 01, 2012, 09:29:17 PM
For a post defensive specialist, Jason Collins has not been very effective so far in that area (Aldridge roasted him yesterday).  Slow in team D too. 

Is Wilcox still sick?
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Neurotic Guy on December 01, 2012, 09:29:18 PM
Needless to say, this is no blowout.  Bucks completely back in this game.  Too bad -- C's could have demoralized them early.

Green playing well offensively again -- great to see it.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Chief on December 01, 2012, 09:29:31 PM
I wish Green would try the windmill or the cradle dunk. I think he is athletic enough to do both.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: albas89 on December 01, 2012, 09:29:56 PM
Pierce has to be injured. He has no lift and no latteral movement. Looks terrible. Smh. 17- point led down to 4
It's sad but it's not enexplicable when a 35 year old player has declined so fast over a summer... I've seen this happen to some other players in the past as well. father time can be cruel...
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Change on December 01, 2012, 09:30:34 PM
Between this and last night's game, I feel like the offense just dies when the 2nd unit is in.  Zero ball movement, and Green is turning into a ball stopper.

Our 2nd unit, is pretty much our 3rd unit considering our injuries/suspensions/sickness. And Green is doing no ball stopping at all.

Bass, Green, and Barbosa are absolutely our 2nd unit guys.  We've known since last year about "No Pass Bass."  I feel like Green isn't the ballhog Bass can be, but there's no reason for him to hold the ball forever trying to post up his guy.  It's probably Doc going out of his way to run plays for him to boost his confidence, but it still slows down the offense too much, causing them to rely on contested jump shots late in the shot clock.

Green is 4 for 5 and he's made his moves quick.

Barbosa is really not 2nd unit, he's really filling in as second unit until Bradley is back. We're also playing Collins. And because of injuries, player rotations are off, no consistency, and Doc is doing random substitutions to keep our players fresh.

second unit will improve immensely when Avery returns.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: vinnie on December 01, 2012, 09:31:15 PM
Pierce has to be injured. He has no lift and no latteral movement. Looks terrible. Smh. 17- point led down to 4
It's sad but it's not enexplicable when a 35 year old player has declined so fast over a summer... I've seen this happen to some other players in the past as well. father time can be cruel...

This I what amazes me about Kobe. He still looks like a kid.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 01, 2012, 09:32:13 PM
Bucks have been making a lot of tough shots today.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: vinnie on December 01, 2012, 09:32:20 PM
This is demoralizing to say the least. 17 point lead now 1
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Change on December 01, 2012, 09:32:31 PM
Green missed another rotation  ::)
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: tgreanier on December 01, 2012, 09:34:35 PM
This is demoralizing to say the least. 17 point lead now 1

I am not demoralized at all, I would think the players aren't either. This is the NBA, teams are going to make runs. Milwaukee made some nice adjustments, Boston's defense was not as effective. Bucks are a good team, not another Portland. Going to be a fight.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 01, 2012, 09:35:02 PM
36 points in a quarter is unacceptable
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: vinnie on December 01, 2012, 09:35:16 PM
Pierce looks like he is 200 years old
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Chief on December 01, 2012, 09:35:39 PM
Oh good. They ran the end of the game set. :P
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: bello_man09 on December 01, 2012, 09:36:16 PM
Really Pierce !!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: vinnie on December 01, 2012, 09:36:35 PM
This is demoralizing to say the least. 17 point lead now 1

I am not demoralized at all, I would think the players aren't either. This is the NBA, teams are going to make runs. Milwaukee made some nice adjustments, Boston's defense was not as effective. Bucks are a good team, not another Portland. Going to be a fight.

This team hardly ever holds a lead these days. Thy have had two wire to wire wins all year. Bucks are an average team at best.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Change on December 01, 2012, 09:36:47 PM
marquis put pierce on lock. Great D by him
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: blink on December 01, 2012, 09:37:11 PM
I think we should change it up with our end of the quarter / end of 1/2 PP iso plays.  I think that play has officially left the station at this point.  Paul just isn't quick enough to beat 2 or 3 defenders to get his own shot.  If it isn't working, try something else...ugg
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on December 01, 2012, 09:37:29 PM
Pierce looks like he is 200 years old
but is leadin our team in scorin dis year? stop it doggy
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: esel1000 on December 01, 2012, 09:37:55 PM
only positive of that quarter was green... im glad hes still being aggressive. everything else was a fail, so much for that huge lead
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 01, 2012, 09:38:23 PM
I don't mind how the Bucks came back, they hit a lot of well defended tough shots, we missed plenty of open good shots, so not much to complain about other than the results.

We're winning the rebounds game, and overall keeping the TOs on the low side.

No Wilcox, so we're seeing a lot of Collins, and that hurts us against a team like this.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: bello_man09 on December 01, 2012, 09:38:50 PM
Please get more looks for Lee and Green....
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: vinnie on December 01, 2012, 09:39:02 PM
Pierce looks like he is 200 years old
but is leadin our team in scorin dis year? stop it doggy

Have you watched him the last 4 or so games? He looks either hurt or tired. love the guy, but he looks like he needs a vacation
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 01, 2012, 09:39:30 PM
Why no Wilcox?
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 01, 2012, 09:40:02 PM
Why no Wilcox?

He's sick the way I'm hearing it.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Neurotic Guy on December 01, 2012, 09:40:51 PM
Green missed another rotation  ::)

Green hasn't played well defensively, but it's hard to look at his performance in this half and be disappointed.  He's doing what we need him to do.  11 points in 13 minutes is great production.

C's aren't defensively strong enough yet.  Hopefully that will change as the team grows together and when Avery returns.  We could use a tough defensive big.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: vinnie on December 01, 2012, 09:42:17 PM
Green missed another rotation  ::)

Green hasn't played well defensively, but it's hard to look at his performance in this half and be disappointed.  He's doing what we need him to do.  11 points in 13 minutes is great production.

C's aren't defensively strong enough yet.  Hopefully that will change as the team grows together and when Avery returns.  We could use a tough defensive big.

Agree. If not for Green they would be down in this game
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 01, 2012, 09:43:40 PM
No Wilcox and means more Collins and little Sullinger since we don't want him playing with Bass.

Days like this would've been nice if Darko was still around, now we need to find a replacement for that roster position.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: CDawg834 on December 01, 2012, 09:44:00 PM
Pierce looks like he is 200 years old
but is leadin our team in scorin dis year? stop it doggy

Have you watched him the last 4 or so games? He looks either hurt or tired. love the guy, but he looks like he needs a vacation

Unfortunately thanks to Commissioner Stern, Doc's not allowed to give Pierce a night off without league permission apparently.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: slamtheking on December 01, 2012, 09:44:03 PM
loved the first quarter.  not so crazy about the second
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: slamtheking on December 01, 2012, 09:44:47 PM
Pierce looks like he is 200 years old
but is leadin our team in scorin dis year? stop it doggy

Have you watched him the last 4 or so games? He looks either hurt or tired. love the guy, but he looks like he needs a vacation

Unfortunately thanks to Commissioner Stern, Doc's not allowed to give Pierce a night off without league permission apparently.
touche  -  TP
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: tonyto3690 on December 01, 2012, 09:45:10 PM
So I just tuned in.

I"m sure people were hooping and hollerin how our defense was better without Rondo in the first.  Just like they have since last night.


Is it still better without him?  36 points in a single quarter to the BUCKS?

Anywyas, at least looking at the box score, it looks like Rondos absence may have done a lot of good for Lee, Terry and Green- or maybe it was just from Doc calling out Lee/Green that it happened.  Terry needs to be given the opportunity to handle the ball more with the bench/when Rondo is out.  And Green is NOT a spot up shooter.  He's a slasher who can kinda shoot.  In the half court Rondo needs to run sets that either gives him the ball at the three and he runs to the basket, or posts him up, or maybe have him come off a screen so he gets a running start for a layup/dunk.  Having him sitting around waiting for a last second jumper is NOT how you utilize him.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on December 01, 2012, 09:47:15 PM
Pierce looks like he is 200 years old
but is leadin our team in scorin dis year? stop it doggy
last 4? he scored 23 on sunday shot like 3 for 6 yesterday wit hella assist nd rebounds wednesday was his only legit bad game nd he still had 9 rebounds nd 7 assist he's declined but hes not completely washed up
Have you watched him the last 4 or so games? He looks either hurt or tired. love the guy, but he looks like he needs a vacation
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 01, 2012, 09:53:42 PM
They're double teaming KG with success.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 01, 2012, 09:55:17 PM
Our teams looks tired now.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on December 01, 2012, 09:57:06 PM
Quis neva hit shots like dat in Boston
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: slamtheking on December 01, 2012, 09:59:29 PM
Quis neva hit shots like dat in Boston
quisy couldn't stay healthy long enough to take a shot for the C's
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 01, 2012, 10:00:38 PM
Quis neva hit shots like dat in Boston
Marquis Daniels plays like God against us
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Atzar on December 01, 2012, 10:00:48 PM
Bradley would help immensely with this team.  Hard to match up with currently.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Neurotic Guy on December 01, 2012, 10:02:11 PM
Terry can do more things on the court than Ray Allen and shoots almost as well. 

So why is it that I'd still rather have Ray?
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: bello_man09 on December 01, 2012, 10:03:05 PM
doc please sit Pierce down already...Collins can't even make a lay-up
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Change on December 01, 2012, 10:03:41 PM
Jason Collins is in amazing shape. He looks like another person with all weight he lost.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 01, 2012, 10:04:02 PM
Terry can do more things on the court than Ray Allen and shoots almost as well. 

So why is it that I'd still rather have Ray?

Because Ray looks rejuvenated playing in MIA right now.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 01, 2012, 10:06:13 PM
Very encouraged by Terry and Lee together, our future 2nd unit when everyone is healthy.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: slamtheking on December 01, 2012, 10:07:25 PM
team is looking much better the past few minutes. liking the increased effort to get defensive stops
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 01, 2012, 10:07:31 PM
Terry can do more things on the court than Ray Allen and shoots almost as well. 

So why is it that I'd still rather have Ray?

No idea why, you have poor taste maybe?
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Neurotic Guy on December 01, 2012, 10:07:45 PM
Very encouraged by Terry and Lee together, our future 2nd unit when everyone is healthy.

Yes -- nice stint by Collins, Sully, Green, Terry and Lee.

I am not as down on Collins as most here seem to be.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: TenaciousD on December 01, 2012, 10:08:03 PM
it looks like Rondos absence may have done a lot of good for Lee, Terry and Green- Terry needs to be given the opportunity to handle the ball more ... and Green is NOT a spot up shooter.
  Makes sense. Maybe Lee also. Is Rondo dominating the ball freezing up everyone else? And when he goes out, are they asking where's the Rondo?
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 01, 2012, 10:09:25 PM
team is looking much better the past few minutes. liking the increased effort to get defensive stops

Doc called a time-out and they came with better energy, but keep in mind 2nd of a back to back game, and Lee and Terry have already put a lot of energy in this game already, played 27 and 30 minutes respectively, so hard for them to keep the pressure as is.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Atzar on December 01, 2012, 10:09:55 PM
Need to play a little faster than that.  Being too patient, allowing the defense time to double.

Get the ball and make your move.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 01, 2012, 10:10:45 PM
Very encouraged by Terry and Lee together, our future 2nd unit when everyone is healthy.

Yes -- nice stint by Collins, Sully, Green, Terry and Lee.

I am not as down on Collins as most here seem to be.

I liked the Collins pick-up but he's been bad, probably because he rarely plays he's just completely lost on defensive rotations, and it really hurts us.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 01, 2012, 10:11:01 PM
Bunch of floppers on the Bucks
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 01, 2012, 10:12:14 PM
it looks like Rondos absence may have done a lot of good for Lee, Terry and Green- Terry needs to be given the opportunity to handle the ball more ... and Green is NOT a spot up shooter.
  Makes sense. Maybe Lee also. Is Rondo dominating the ball freezing up everyone else? And when he goes out, are they asking where's the Rondo?

No, they're not asking where's Rondo... they're asking, "which Barbosa is showing up tonight?".
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: slamtheking on December 01, 2012, 10:12:44 PM
well that was just bad offense.  someone should have come back to get the ball from Sully
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 01, 2012, 10:13:39 PM
well that was just bad offense.  someone should have come back to get the ball from Sully


I really don't understand this from our team, and is constant since always... someone gets in trouble, and the rest of the teammates stay standing around instead of coming to help.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: TenaciousD on December 01, 2012, 10:14:21 PM
it looks like Rondos absence may have done a lot of good for Lee, Terry and Green-  Is Rondo dominating the ball freezing up everyone else? And when he goes out, are they asking where's the Rondo?
No, they're not asking where's Rondo... they're asking, "which Barbosa is showing up tonight?".
Umh, maybe, but it might be a bit disconcerting to go from a Rondo-dominated offense to a free-for-all.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Chief on December 01, 2012, 10:15:34 PM
well that was just bad offense.  someone should have come back to get the ball from Sully

Sully is a pretty gifted passer. Maybe lee should have went backdoor.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: PhoSita on December 01, 2012, 10:16:44 PM
Green w/ 15 pts tonight after 19 pts last night.

Anybody else think maybe this guy learned to play NBA basketball in an offense essentially w/ out a real PG (Westbrook), so he's more comfortable calling his own # when everybody just takes turns calling each other's number?
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Chief on December 01, 2012, 10:18:06 PM
KG, please post up.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: TenaciousD on December 01, 2012, 10:18:27 PM
Green w/ 15 pts tonight after 19 pts last night.

Anybody else think maybe this guy learned to play NBA basketball in an offense essentially w/ out a real PG (Westbrook), so he's more comfortable calling his own # when everybody just takes turns calling each other's number?
  Playing with Rodno definitely a different experience than Westie. 
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 01, 2012, 10:19:21 PM
Bucks players constantly mugging ours
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: PhoSita on December 01, 2012, 10:22:12 PM
5 or 6 possessions into the fourth quarter, Celtics have yet to take a good shot.  Have made 2.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 01, 2012, 10:26:44 PM
Why is Barbosa still in the game? It should be Lee or Green in there.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Chief on December 01, 2012, 10:27:28 PM
Sanders had the million dollar dream on him.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: alajet on December 01, 2012, 10:28:44 PM
Sanders plays at an amazing level. It was evident during his first summer league and it is evident now.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Change on December 01, 2012, 10:28:56 PM
larry octopus sanders is a freak of nature. Would look good in Green though  8)
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 01, 2012, 10:30:31 PM
Pierce, pass the freaking ball!
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Chief on December 01, 2012, 10:30:33 PM
Pierce why are you charging out to guard Daniels 25 ft jumper?
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Chief on December 01, 2012, 10:32:31 PM
larry octopus sanders is a freak of nature. Would look good in Green though  8)

rebounding? blocks? no way!!! Not in Doc's system. We had Steamer, had a similiar game and sometimes could not get off the bench.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: alajet on December 01, 2012, 10:33:13 PM
Sanders plays at an amazing level. It was evident during his first summer league and it is evident now.

Supposed to say "energy" level.
PP needs to drive more.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Chief on December 01, 2012, 10:33:24 PM
Bass, rebound!!!!
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: alajet on December 01, 2012, 10:34:07 PM
larry octopus sanders is a freak of nature. Would look good in Green though  8)

rebounding? blocks? no way!!! Not in Doc's system. We had Steamer, had a similiar game and sometimes could not get off the bench.

No resemblance in terms of athleticism, though.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Change on December 01, 2012, 10:34:52 PM
larry octopus sanders is a freak of nature. Would look good in Green though  8)

rebounding? blocks? no way!!! Not in Doc's system. We had Steamer, had a similiar game and sometimes could not get off the bench.

Steamer was/is overrated.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Chief on December 01, 2012, 10:35:45 PM
Bass, rebound!!!!

you stink Bass!!!
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: hpantazo on December 01, 2012, 10:37:34 PM
Doc should have gone with Green here at the end instead of Bass. Green matches up better with Ersan
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 01, 2012, 10:37:52 PM
This team needs to learn how to pump-fake
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Chief on December 01, 2012, 10:38:16 PM
larry octopus sanders is a freak of nature. Would look good in Green though  8)

rebounding? blocks? no way!!! Not in Doc's system. We had Steamer, had a similiar game and sometimes could not get off the bench.

Steamer was/is overrated.

For the money he was making, last year, he played very well.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: slamtheking on December 01, 2012, 10:38:49 PM
these guys were looking like they finally got it on offense in the 1st quarter only to revert to poor O the rest of the game
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: PhoSita on December 01, 2012, 10:39:47 PM
these guys were looking like they finally got it on offense in the 1st quarter only to revert to poor O the rest of the game

when your offense consists of rudimentary pick and rolls and a lot of 1 on 1 / broken plays, your scoring will be extra streaky.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: vinnie on December 01, 2012, 10:39:50 PM
Jeff green
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: slamtheking on December 01, 2012, 10:40:06 PM
pleasant surprise on that 3.  JET should have really taken the shot in the lane though
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 01, 2012, 10:40:18 PM
these guys were looking like they finally got it on offense in the 1st quarter only to revert to poor O the rest of the game


I knew this would happen, they would have a huge let down and let the Bucks back in the game after that super first.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: TenaciousD on December 01, 2012, 10:40:40 PM
Way to stick that 3, El Jeffe
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: vinnie on December 01, 2012, 10:41:08 PM
I am sorry, my captain.  ;D
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Chief on December 01, 2012, 10:41:08 PM
Captain!!!
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: slamtheking on December 01, 2012, 10:41:13 PM
man, PP is a cold-blooded killer on those
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: cltc5 on December 01, 2012, 10:41:26 PM
troof!
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: mr. dee on December 01, 2012, 10:41:37 PM
Whoever said Green isn't clutch should watch this game.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Atzar on December 01, 2012, 10:41:58 PM
Pierce has stepped up on defense today.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Chief on December 01, 2012, 10:42:06 PM
Doc should have gone with Green here at the end instead of Bass. Green matches up better with Ersan

TP
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: TenaciousD on December 01, 2012, 10:42:32 PM
Pierce and Green comin' up big down the stretch.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: slamtheking on December 01, 2012, 10:42:35 PM
OMG!!!!  total crap call!!
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: vinnie on December 01, 2012, 10:42:36 PM
That was a joke
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 01, 2012, 10:42:58 PM
The refs are always looking to call something on the C's
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: SCeltic34 on December 01, 2012, 10:43:17 PM
Unbelievable call.  5 point swing with a ref taking over the game.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: vinnie on December 01, 2012, 10:43:23 PM
How the hell did hey call that a foul on KG?
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: hpantazo on December 01, 2012, 10:43:42 PM
Doc should have gone with Green here at the end instead of Bass. Green matches up better with Ersan

TP

thanks Chief. Let's hope they pull this one out
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: alajet on December 01, 2012, 10:44:34 PM
I'm sorry dear Bucks commentators.
I just don't get how was that even a foul.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: slamtheking on December 01, 2012, 10:45:17 PM
arrrghh  thought PP had that one
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: vinnie on December 01, 2012, 10:45:28 PM
The Pierce end of game iso has to go. Please, Doc.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: SCeltic34 on December 01, 2012, 10:45:33 PM
Doc's out of timeout playcalling has been splendid.  Up until that one.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Chief on December 01, 2012, 10:46:07 PM
Oh good. They ran the end of the game set. :P

 :'(
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: hpantazo on December 01, 2012, 10:46:54 PM
ugh! Clutch shot from Jennings
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 01, 2012, 10:47:04 PM
Wow
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: SCeltic34 on December 01, 2012, 10:47:29 PM
Still can't believe that ref's call.  Completely changed the game.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: vinnie on December 01, 2012, 10:47:34 PM
If they lose this game I will simply shake my head. Lets go to the Pierce Iso again, Doc
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Chief on December 01, 2012, 10:47:39 PM
The Pierce end of game iso has to go. Please, Doc.

Terrible coaching. Now let's run Ray's set for Terry.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: slamtheking on December 01, 2012, 10:47:49 PM
here's hoping they're smart enough to work for the best shot regardless of time on the clock rather than wait until the last second
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: TenaciousD on December 01, 2012, 10:47:50 PM
Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Why cant they close?
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: vinnie on December 01, 2012, 10:49:06 PM
Can't wait until the Celts are good enough to hold a 17-point lead and beat the powerhouse bucks.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Chief on December 01, 2012, 10:50:03 PM
Green for a corner 3!!!!
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 01, 2012, 10:50:34 PM
Marc Davis can go uhh himself
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Change on December 01, 2012, 10:50:45 PM
Can't wait until the Celts are good enough to hold a 17-point lead and beat the powerhouse bucks.

Winning on the road isn't a cakewalk
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: hpantazo on December 01, 2012, 10:50:57 PM
well, we had our chances...
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Roy H. on December 01, 2012, 10:51:00 PM
Dang it.  What a disappointing game.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: vinnie on December 01, 2012, 10:51:02 PM
Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Unbelievable
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: slamtheking on December 01, 2012, 10:51:08 PM
should have won this after being spotted a 17 point lead
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: cltc5 on December 01, 2012, 10:51:21 PM
Ray allen who? ::)
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: PhoSita on December 01, 2012, 10:52:02 PM
Still mulling along at .500.  Second night of a back to back is pretty much a guaranteed loss even when the starters are rested because the previous game was a blowout.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: slamtheking on December 01, 2012, 10:52:22 PM
Marc Davis can go uhh himself
yup, shame a ref can swing a game just like that with a bad call
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: alajet on December 01, 2012, 10:52:32 PM
Three shots, none fell. They were as good as you can hope down the stretch.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: vinnie on December 01, 2012, 10:52:38 PM
Can't wait until the Celts are good enough to hold a 17-point lead and beat the powerhouse bucks.

Winning on the road isn't a cakewalk

They we're up 17 points at the end of the first. Simply put, this team can't hold leads anymore. They are the perfect definition of mediocre right now.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: apc on December 01, 2012, 10:52:46 PM
Fire Doc!
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Chief on December 01, 2012, 10:52:56 PM
I will be glad to get Rondo back.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: angryguy77 on December 01, 2012, 10:53:03 PM
Way throw it away. Ugh glade I wasted time going to this.


 Should've stayed home
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: PhoSita on December 01, 2012, 10:53:07 PM
Another night, another game in which the Celtics make a big, active rebounding big man look like Moses Malone.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on December 01, 2012, 10:53:17 PM
idek who u can blame tonight Bucks just hit some big shots smh
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: CelticSooner on December 01, 2012, 10:53:24 PM
C's played well tonight and still lost. Had plenty of chances to put the game away and didn't do it.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Change on December 01, 2012, 10:54:00 PM
Good game. Shots stopped fallen following the 1st quarter. Team was ice cold for majority of the game. Consolation prize Celtics won rebounding battle, and blocked more shots.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: contramundum on December 01, 2012, 10:54:06 PM
Refs killed it with those last two calls.  I don't think there is an anti celts bias but those calls changed the outcome without a doubt.  We had some chances at the end, but still that call on KG was one of the worst end of game calls I've seen in a while...
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: apc on December 01, 2012, 10:54:28 PM
Two game deciding plays with one minute left, and the only player trying to get the offensive board is Lee.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: MJohnnyboy on December 01, 2012, 10:54:56 PM
The Celtics had this game in their hands until Marc Davis took it away from them.

That was the worst offensive foul call I've ever seen. I hope he gets fined for it.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: PhoSita on December 01, 2012, 10:55:00 PM
Can't wait until the Celts are good enough to hold a 17-point lead and beat the powerhouse bucks.

Winning on the road isn't a cakewalk

They we're up 17 points at the end of the first. Simply put, this team can't hold leads anymore. They are the perfect definition of mediocre right now.

Were you watching in 2010?  No lead was safe.  This team hasn't been good w/ leads for a long time.

Though according to the stats they've only lost when up by 17 or more twice in the last 6 years.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: SCeltic34 on December 01, 2012, 10:55:29 PM
should have won this after being spotted a 17 point lead

Just as easily as we gained it we can lose it.  That's the NBA for you.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Atzar on December 01, 2012, 10:56:00 PM
I don't feel like they played poorly.  Sometimes shots just don't fall when you need them. 

Onto the next one.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: alajet on December 01, 2012, 10:56:24 PM
Can't wait until the Celts are good enough to hold a 17-point lead and beat the powerhouse bucks.

Winning on the road isn't a cakewalk

They we're up 17 points at the end of the first. Simply put, this team can't hold leads anymore. They are the perfect definition of mediocre right now.

It's plausible for a team to come back from such a deficit after just the first.
That's the reason three more quarters are there.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Smitty77 on December 01, 2012, 10:56:52 PM
Please provide video links of two bad calls.

Thanks,

Smitty77
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: CelticsFan9 on December 01, 2012, 10:57:46 PM
I think it may be time for one of those players-only meetings.  Miami had one the first year together, and they went on a huge streak after it.  We did it right before the all star break last year, and it worked pretty well.

Something's up right now, and I think the players need to solve it.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Change on December 01, 2012, 10:57:54 PM
Can't wait until the Celts are good enough to hold a 17-point lead and beat the powerhouse bucks.

Winning on the road isn't a cakewalk

They we're up 17 points at the end of the first. Simply put, this team can't hold leads anymore. They are the perfect definition of mediocre right now.

chill! teams make runs. And Celtics aren't the first nor the last team to lose a game after getting up big early on the road I might add. Stuff happens you know.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: slamtheking on December 01, 2012, 10:59:24 PM
I think what's really telling in this game is that with all the Bucks turnovers in the 1st quarter, the C's still ended up with more turnovers than the Bucks in the end.  Rondo or no Rondo, this team is still too sloppy with the ball
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: cman88 on December 01, 2012, 10:59:43 PM
really, that bad call was  4 point swing right there...we most likely win without that ticky tack foul called on garnett

im not too hard on this loss..on the road, without Rondo...another BIG game for Green, they played better defense. This team is getting to where they need to be
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on December 01, 2012, 11:00:13 PM
Meh, not going to cry about this game. They played well, while very tired which was evident with a depleted roster. Doc mishandled the rotations in the 2nd half too.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on December 01, 2012, 11:05:48 PM
At the end of every game we give the ball to pierce and he dribbles out the shot clock and then puts up some difficult fade away contested shot that he misses a large majority of the time.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: slamtheking on December 01, 2012, 11:14:37 PM
interesting.  Donny disagreeing with Tommy on the post game and sounding really smug about it.  agree with Tommy that Kmart is another PF when we need a center. 

sadly I think Donny had a point that bringing in Melo would be a bad move -- still years away from being helpful. 

I just can't stand Donny, particularly when he's smug.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: blastoidesroidsnoids on December 01, 2012, 11:25:29 PM
Im not gonna blame the refs because these calls happen every game. We played great on offense for the most part, and had bursts of defensive brilliance, but we had no real answer for sanders. PP played great 4th qtr but failed to close it out. Shoulda gave Green the buzzer beater.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: angryguy77 on December 02, 2012, 12:06:53 AM
Can't blame the refs, we got away with a lot in the first half
t least that's how it looked from my seat.


I will say this, Daniels was getting away with nurser against Paul.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: tgreanier on December 02, 2012, 12:31:33 AM
Fire Doc!

What exactly did Doc do wrong? And before I get flamed again, I am honestly asking.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: bfrombleacher on December 02, 2012, 12:35:02 AM
Fire Doc!

What exactly did Doc do wrong? And before I get flamed again, I am honestly asking.

He can't coach like a hall of fame coach.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: cltc5 on December 02, 2012, 12:46:14 AM
Fire Doc!

What exactly did Doc do wrong? And before I get flamed again, I am honestly asking.

He's been exposed  since 2009.  The C's have one in spite of him.  Same tired approach to rebounding, same Pierce iso that works 30% of the time.  Same mishandling of talent.  I like Doc, but i question if he can coach most of the time.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: tgreanier on December 02, 2012, 12:51:10 AM
Fire Doc!

What exactly did Doc do wrong? And before I get flamed again, I am honestly asking.

He's been exposed  since 2009.  The C's have one in spite of him.  Same tired approach to rebounding, same Pierce iso that works 30% of the time.  Same mishandling of talent.  I like Doc, but i question if he can coach most of the time.

I like Doc a lot and I think he is a great coach. I love his style and his approach to the game. I rarely find fault with him that explains a loss. He is a player's coach and expect the players to perform. When they do not, things go badly.

Has he made mistakes? Of course, all of them have. But I find it interested that a lot of people slam Doc for not having the chops. It is easy to blame the coach when a team doesn't execute to your liking, but I am not sure Doc is the fault here. This loss is on the players. I guarantee Doc did not tell them when they had the big lead to "take it easy" or to "stop playing defense so well."
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Kuberski1 on December 02, 2012, 12:54:26 AM
Watching the replay, and we up 13-0.   :)

We have been terrible on back to backs for the last 3-4 years....we just don't have the legs or firepower in our key guys.   Plus no Rondo, Wilcox (essentially), and it would have taken close to a perfect storm of a game to win against what is a decent team.  Not too dis-heartened by the loss....

One thing it shows is that Collins is really just an emergency guy - we need 1 more strong big who can contribute. 
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Who on December 02, 2012, 07:25:54 AM
18 points, 16 rebounds and 5 blocks for Larry Sanders. Yikes.
Title: Re: Celtics (9-7) at Bucks (7-7) 12/1
Post by: Smitty77 on December 03, 2012, 12:20:10 AM
Does anyone have the link to the video of Mark Davis' call against KG late in the game???

I am begging here, please provide that link if it exists:-))) 

You guys are making me feel pitiful and helpless here.

Thanks,

Smitty77