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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: ScoobyDoo on November 30, 2012, 02:12:13 PM
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What about this:
KG
Bass
Green
Pierce
Rondo
I think someone else posted something along these lines as well and I think it makes a lot of sense.
1. Gives us more size at the three and the two. If we're not going to get size from the 4/5, we need to get it elsewhere.
2. Neither Lee nor Terry are lighting it up as starters.
3. Maybe it gets Green going.
I'd really love to see Doc experiment a little, especially given what we are seeing. Mix it up, what is there to lose by doing so? if it doesn't work, go back to the other thing that "isn't working" if you want...
Thoughts?
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I can't see Pierce (or Green, for that matter) functioning as a 2 except against SGs who are G-F swingmen playing a bit out of position because they are better suited as SFs.
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I agree with this!
Give Green one last final shot and if this doesnt workout, ship his ass out of town. :-X
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I want Courtney Lee in there for his quickness defensively.
I like Jeff Green off the bench and want him to continue in that role. I like the lineup versatility / options he gives you off the bench. The ability to go kind for kind with Pierce at SF, go small and quick with Green at PF, or, go big on the wings with Pierce and Green together. I think Green can be a real matchup problem off the bench. Allow Doc to really throw things out there that cause problems for opposing coaches on a regular basis.
I also like keeping Green on the bench because I want Bradley to continue as the starting SG once he returns ... so Green needs to find his comfort area coming off that bench because it is going to be his long term role until Pierce can't cut it anymore (which is a fair ways off yet).
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Neither Pierce nor Green can play extended minutes at the 2. If they do, we're dead.
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Neither Pierce nor Green can play extended minutes at the 2. If they do, we're dead.
i agree with your basic point, but it is beginning to look as if the celtics may already be approaching a near-death experience. hopefully they can pull it all together and everyone learns to play as a team....very soon.
however, the idea of at least starting green and pierce together as sf and sg respectively might work against some teams. trying it at least once might not be a bad idea just to see if it stokes a fire in green.
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Size for the sake of size is a mistake. I don't think Pierce is an upgrade on perimeter defense. If I wanted to start Pierce and Green together, I'd rather make Pierce the Nellyball 4 and start Green as the SF.
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Neither Pierce nor Green can play extended minutes at the 2. If they do, we're dead.
i agree with your basic point, but it is beginning to look as if the celtics may already be approaching a near-death experience. hopefully they can pull it all together and everyone learns to play as a team....very soon.
however, the idea of at least starting green and pierce together as sf and sg respectively might work against some teams. trying it at least once might not be a bad idea just to see if it stokes a fire in green.
What will strike fire in Green is giving him the ball and letting him go to work. That's what they did in preseason.
In any case, scoring points is not the problem. The inability to stop the opposition from doing so is.
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Neither Pierce nor Green can play extended minutes at the 2. If they do, we're dead.
i agree with your basic point, but it is beginning to look as if the celtics may already be approaching a near-death experience. hopefully they can pull it all together and everyone learns to play as a team....very soon.
however, the idea of at least starting green and pierce together as sf and sg respectively might work against some teams. trying it at least once might not be a bad idea just to see if it stokes a fire in green.
What will strike fire in Green is giving him the ball and letting him go to work. That's what they did in preseason.
In any case, scoring points is not the problem. The inability to stop the opposition from doing so is.
Agreed. Jeff is a top 20 player in the league that hasnt been given the chance. its not his fault doc rivers hates him and wont give him minutes.
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Doesn't matter. Once Bradley comes back, he's going in the starting lineup. This lineup might be nice as a 3rd or 4th specialty unit but that's about the sum of it.
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well since green and pierce are hobbled maybe insert joseph into starting lineup?
just kidding
if both were healthy i'd like doc to try this:
rondo
lee
green
bass
kg
green is not a better player than pierce but he gives us a low post offensive player and is a good sf defender
we have no low post players, put green on the box against nearly every sf in the league and he can get his shot off (lebron, g wallace)
Lee started off slow but his defense is a BIG upgrade over terry
second unit would have paul as the anchor and offense can run through him i.e. rondo gets a break
barbosa
terry
pierce
sully
wilcox
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This is my favorite lineup. I dont know why we dont see this lineup more often. Especially against teams like the Nets with Johnson and Wallace playing the two and three. I think that lineup can be highly successful in many ways. I would also like to see
Rondo
Pierce
Green
KG
Wilcox
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I don't think Pierce or Green can play the two at a consistant basis.
I'd like to see Sully back in the lineup even through the rookie ups and downs, and obviously Bradley at the 2 when he gets back.
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I don't think Pierce or Green can play the two at a consistant basis.
Nope, and they have to figure a way to integrate Lee back with the starters. Masquerading Terry as a full-time starting SG is just not going to work in the long run.
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Should be Sullinger and Lee starting for rebounding purposes. Bring the firepower off the bench (Terry, Barbosa, Green, Bass, Wilcox).
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Should be Sullinger and Lee starting for rebounding purposes. Bring the firepower off the bench (Terry, Barbosa, Green, Bass, Wilcox).
Rebounding is fine. Defense is horrible. Which is funny, because the starting bigs didn't change.
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Should be Sullinger and Lee starting for rebounding purposes. Bring the firepower off the bench (Terry, Barbosa, Green, Bass, Wilcox).
Rebounding is fine. Defense is horrible. Which is funny, because the starting bigs didn't change.
Well part of our crappy defensive numbers was when we tried Sullinger as a starter and played Sullinger/Bass together.
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Should be Sullinger and Lee starting for rebounding purposes. Bring the firepower off the bench (Terry, Barbosa, Green, Bass, Wilcox).
Rebounding is fine. Defense is horrible. Which is funny, because the starting bigs didn't change.
Well part of our crappy defensive numbers was when we tried Sullinger as a starter and played Sullinger/Bass together.
I haven't seen a whole lot of improvement recently. Teams can pretty much get whatever they want against us, and we're giving up an eFG% and PPP at levels unprecedented for the team since 2008.
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I like the KG, Wilcox, Green, Pierce and Rondo idea. I just figure if we don't have enough true big men, we should perhaps try using our size advantage where we can.
Put Green and Pierce in the post against other 3's and 2's...
Also, I get baffled why coaches don't at least "try" something different - something that hasn't yet been tried, when all hell is breaking loose for us as it has been.
Have we even seen a KG / Wilcox combo much this year?
Just try something different...
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I like the KG, Wilcox, Green, Pierce and Rondo idea.
A few weeks ago I suggested this lineup but then it dawned on me who backs up KG?
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I like the KG, Wilcox, Green, Pierce and Rondo idea.
A few weeks ago I suggested this lineup but then it dawned on me who backs up KG?
Given that the only skill Wlicox seems to bring consistently at this point is wide open dunks off of Rondo lobs, I'd actually be interested in actively pursuing a big man who can supplant him in the rotation -- not moving him to the starting lineup. Someone who can defend and block shots, preferably.
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Right now I love Larry Sanders on the Bucks and think we should try and pursue him. I am not sure what we would have to give up but I like his game.
He is 6'11" athletic shot blocker that can play the pick and role.
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I like the KG, Wilcox, Green, Pierce and Rondo idea.
A few weeks ago I suggested this lineup but then it dawned on me who backs up KG?
Darko :-X
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Should be Sullinger and Lee starting for rebounding purposes. Bring the firepower off the bench (Terry, Barbosa, Green, Bass, Wilcox).
Rebounding is fine. Defense is horrible. Which is funny, because the starting bigs didn't change.
Well part of our crappy defensive numbers was when we tried Sullinger as a starter and played Sullinger/Bass together.
I agree. The Bass/Sullinger lineup is one of the worst substitution patterns Doc has ever come up with. That experiment was absolutely dreadful. I'd rather Fab Melo ran around out there for 10 minutes per game like a chicken with it's head cut off.
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Send Jeff Green to Maine Red Claws to help Fab out????
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Should be Sullinger and Lee starting for rebounding purposes. Bring the firepower off the bench (Terry, Barbosa, Green, Bass, Wilcox).
I really have to agree. I'd rather have a useless player like Lee on the court when we have three other scorers. That we he doesn't need to score and he can just focus all his energy into defense.
Likewise Sully - he doesn't need to stress about defense as much with KG having his back, he can just scrap for rebound. Plys he plays of KG VERY well - KG is a great passer and Sully has great hands and is a very good finisher around the basket. They fit together like clockwork.
We need a guaranteed scorer of the bench, and Terry would be that guy - it's what he was brought here for.