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Title: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: rondohondo on November 29, 2012, 09:28:33 AM
He was Just on Weei, they asked Doc are you dissapointed in Greens play so far , and Doc said Yes

Said it's  both the coaches and Green's fault. Says he will try to find better ways of fitting in Jeff on offense, but Jeff also needs to step up his play on his own.

Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 29, 2012, 09:31:50 AM
HALLELUJAH !!!

TRADE HIM YESTERDAY !!!

We'll take Pau Gasol  ...Green was born a Laker.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: scaryjerry on November 29, 2012, 09:47:58 AM
Why wouldn't he be dissapointed?
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: pearljammer10 on November 29, 2012, 10:03:23 AM
I love Docs relationship with the media. No sugar coating. Say it like it is and be honest. Its not going to deflate the player its only going to make them more motivated to perform for their coach.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: gpap on November 29, 2012, 10:03:50 AM
Then why did Ainge trade Perk for him?? :-X
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: CelticHooligan3 on November 29, 2012, 10:12:13 AM
He needs to be more agressive. Both on offense and defense. I have no idea what he's holding back for but we've seen that when he plays aggressive good things happen. Seems like an issue of heart and motivation. No pun intended.

It's frustrating that we just gave this guy a very generous contract and half the time on the floor he seems to be running through the motions. This is Boston Jeff. That type of coasting will get you an economy class ticket out of town real quick buddy.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: PRIDE on November 29, 2012, 10:15:02 AM
He has done well offensively but his rebounding and defense leave much to be desired. Jeff needs to get aggressive on defense! If he can play tougher, aggressive defense it will lead to more fast break opportunities for the Celtics. Steals, Blocks, tips, and deflections can make a big difference in a game. Jeff is too long and athletic not to make a defensive impact. Aggressive D will also get him on the boards a little more.


The real problem seems to be Jeff isn't 100% healthy yet. His body isn't back to full strength and he isn't handling contact very well. Jeff doesn't have the confidence in his body to do the dirty work this team needs from him. Lucky for us, it's a long season!
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: GreenEnvy on November 29, 2012, 10:19:22 AM
I was one of the biggest supporters of Green since we got him in 2011. I was in favor of his contract, thinking it could potentially be a bargain.

But the guy just doesn't have the killer instinct. I can't count how many times I have seen him make a great move and/or shot, then the following three touches he swings the ball instantly, often when he has a decisive advantage over the defender.

If he attacked more, he'd see better results and get more PT. He has skill, nobody can deny that. His defense and rebounding has been adequate, but his O is too hesitant, which has been the knock on him for awhile now.

Maybe he really just is who he is, like some have said all along.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 29, 2012, 10:20:46 AM
Disapointed   ???   LoL ...thats all ?

This from the man that RAN off Darko , the only guy we have to BAR FIGHT teams like the Nets.

Green may not be able to play NBA basketball, but he deserves an Oscar for his snow job on Danny Ainge . 

Crippled / slow / non athletic PERK was more useful on a game to game basis.  He at least comes in and earns his pay.

Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: vinnie on November 29, 2012, 10:24:50 AM
He has done well offensively but his rebounding and defense leave much to be desired. Jeff needs to get aggressive on defense! If he can play tougher, aggressive defense it will lead to more fast break opportunities for the Celtics. Steals, Blocks, tips, and deflections can make a big difference in a game. Jeff is too long and athletic not to make a defensive impact. Aggressive D will also get him on the boards a little more.


The real problem seems to be Jeff isn't 100% healthy yet. His body isn't back to full strength and he isn't handling contact very well. Jeff doesn't have the confidence in his body to do the dirty work this team needs from him. Lucky for us, it's a long season!

He has "done well" offensively? How do you define "done well"?  He is shooting 40 percent from the field and 25 percent from behind the arc.  He is 72 percent from the line. As far as rebounding, he is averaging 2.5 per game. I am not a fan of his and never have been, but I will say that playing only 21 minutes a game can't help him get going, if he is ever going to get going. That said, he has done nothing to deserve more minutes.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 29, 2012, 10:34:17 AM
I think personality is very hard to change, Green doesn't have the killer instinct.   Sometimes a life changing event like his heart can change a guy.   It looked promising in the preseason but he is the same underachieving guy he has been since he got in the league.   There is some talent there, sometimes it comes out like the OKC game.   But mental illness are harder to fix than physical ones.  His problems on the court are mental.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: alley oop on November 29, 2012, 10:57:33 AM
I've tried to be patient with Green, but when you consider the extent to which Barboso has fit in to the Celtic's system, in a fraction of the time Green had the season he came, fully healthy, it makes you wonder if having more time will make much difference in his play. And Wilcox plays aggressive as the pre-surgery Wilcox
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 29, 2012, 11:01:45 AM
I'm "disappointed " on Christmas when all I get is a tie.  WOw Doc ... such harsh language...  ::) 

When 36 million is spent and this is all I get????? ???

Dudes...I want to call the police/FBI and the throw myself off a 40 story building after such a robbery.

Gee Doc...How about FEED UP to the GILL with lazy, unacertive, unproductive, so-what attitude on the court.

Green =Bum





 
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: ManUp on November 29, 2012, 11:56:55 AM
I blame Doc as much as Green. It's pretty clear that Doc hasn't really given him a defined role. It looks like Doc just puts him out there and says, "make things happen, be aggressive". Green should be told to defend, rebound, and run. Call plays for him offensively and don't just have him hanging at the three point line when he's not trying to ISO.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: Fred Roberts on November 29, 2012, 12:00:10 PM
He needs to take a lesson from Aqib Talib, and try some Adderoll for focus.

Maybe that, combined with Roger Clemens' old trick of Ben Gay on the nard sack.

That'll get him p---ed off and motivated on the court.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: coco on November 29, 2012, 12:09:01 PM
I have been on the JGreen vanwagon since we signed him.  I could see what DA was trying to do when he signed him.  Bottom line,  the EC and WC was going to be dominated by LeBron and possibly Durant for the forseeable future.  PP is getting older and we needed an answer.  JGreen is/was supposed to be that answer...if for anything else, to take away some of the advantages of the bigger 3s in the league.

Looks like it is not going to work.  Not in Doc's system.  Not when your orders are to stay in the corner waiting for an outlet pass.  This, he can't control. JGreen has been horrible in thing he can control like defense and rebounding. 

I do think JGreen is a starter.  He is not an energy player and you need energy comming off the bench.  At the same token, JGreen has not shown to be deserving of a starting spot.  So that - as they say - is that.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: Mencius on November 29, 2012, 12:43:27 PM
Crippled / slow / non athletic PERK was more useful on a game to game basis.  He at least comes in and earns his pay.
Spot on.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: Boris Badenov on November 29, 2012, 12:58:05 PM
If I had to pick just one player from the Green/Perkins trade to be on the Celtics roster for the next five years...it would be Fab Melo.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: CelticG1 on November 29, 2012, 01:02:41 PM
Greens been bad but doc is right coaches have a ton of fault.

I among others thought that the second units offense was going to run primarily through Green. I thought we would post him a lot more and put him in better positions to score. Not stand in the corner like someone mentioned and not as the ballhandler several feet beyond the arc.

Also im pretty sure everyone was taking the "over" on the 30 min a game thing but it has been significantly less. Has he played 30 once?

I know he hasn't been playing great nut sometimes you gotta leave him out there a little longer to give him that trust.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: TripleOT on November 29, 2012, 01:30:36 PM
Green is 15-20% lower statwise in his career production. He is, quite frankly, a wimp, who except for a few flashes where he'll explode for a loud dunk, continues to sleepwalk through his minutes. 

Green makes $8.1 million a year. Players 6-10 on the Nets make less than $6m combined.  Ainge screwed up this Green thing terribly.  Hopefully,  Green can pull things together and look decent enough between now and January 15th so Ainge can pawn him off on a small market team going no where, so Jeffie can put up  his 15 points and 5 rebounds in 36 minutes in a low pressure, no expectation atmosphere.       
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: KGs Knee on November 29, 2012, 01:34:37 PM
Doc might be disappointed, but not this guy.

How can I be disappointed when this is exactly what I expected from Green.

Well, I take that back, I am disappointed.  Disappointed in Danny and Doc for being foolish enough to think it was a good idea to give Green $36m.  Fools!
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on November 29, 2012, 02:05:36 PM
I blame Doc as much as Green. It's pretty clear that Doc hasn't really given him a defined role. It looks like Doc just puts him out there and says, "make things happen, be aggressive". Green should be told to defend, rebound, and run. Call plays for him offensively and don't just have him hanging at the three point line when he's not trying to ISO.

Not one play is called for Barbosa! Doc sends him out there and says "just be agressive!"... now you would probably say that's easier for Barbosa b/c he is use to that and I would agree if Barbosa wasn't doing it on both ends! Barbosa has been very solid on defense (you don't need plays called for you on that end), Jeff has been HORRIBLE!! I'm tired of the excuses! "he's coming off of heart surgery"... well, so is Wilcox, he still manages to look like he at least CARES to play! Most of the night Green just stands looking disinterested! Doc said the times when Jeff has good offensive games are on the plays when he is agressive, not from plays Doc calls (one game Doc called 2 plays for Green, he missed both shots... all the times he actually scored, there was no play called for him)... dude needs to get it together!

All this from someone who liked Green and said that people didn't know what they were talking about when it came to his contract... I was on his side the entire time... then I got to see why everyone complained...
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: Q_FBE on November 29, 2012, 02:08:01 PM
I am disappointed to hear that Doc is disappointed in Jeff Green's play so far. I am also disappointed at our current standings.

I hope that things get a little bit better for the Celtics.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: GreenEnvy on November 29, 2012, 02:43:13 PM
I'm "disappointed " on Christmas when all I get is a tie.  WOw Doc ... such harsh language...  ::) 

When 36 million is spent and this is all I get????? ???


Dudes...I want to call the police/FBI and the throw myself off a 40 story building after such a robbery.

Gee Doc...How about FEED UP to the GILL with lazy, unacertive, unproductive, so-what attitude on the court.

Green =Bum

He's 15 games into a 4 year contract. Too soon to judge IMO.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: Bankshot on November 29, 2012, 03:13:10 PM
Then why did Ainge trade Perk for him?? :-X

Because he couldn't get Harden.  I think Danny should have held out for him, as Thunder probably thought they had to have Perk to compete for a championship.  They ended up trading Harden anyway.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: jdz101 on November 29, 2012, 03:39:28 PM
HALLELUJAH !!!

TRADE HIM YESTERDAY !!!

We'll take Pau Gasol  ...Green was born a Laker.

You're saying green is lazy, soft and weak of mind but you're more than happy to chuck him in a trade for Pau Gasol who is owed 40 million these two years....yeah right.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: BballTim on November 29, 2012, 03:42:53 PM
I am disappointed to hear that Doc is disappointed in Jeff Green's play so far. I am also disappointed at our current standings.

I hope that things get a little bit better for the Celtics.

  I'm hoping for a lot more than "a little bit better".
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: Bahku on November 29, 2012, 03:43:41 PM
Who isn't?

I would hope that even Green is disappointed with Green, otherwise he's never going to improve.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: aporel#18 on November 29, 2012, 05:24:51 PM
I am disappointed to hear that Doc is disappointed in Jeff Green's play so far. I am also disappointed at our current standings.

I hope that things get a little bit better for the Celtics.

TP.

I won't fault Green for how bad this team is playing on defense, or how bad is Doc managing rotations.

They are doing a poor job altogether, and as much as I'd like to see Green overcoming the team's poor performance, he hasn't done it yet.

But we're still in November, and we should judge this team by the All Star break. Once Bradley is back, I bet our D will improve, at least.

We need someone who can bring what Darko was supposed to bring to the team, and to keep our veteran's minutes in the high twenties. That's all I ask from Danny and Doc until february.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: TripleOT on November 29, 2012, 05:33:44 PM
HALLELUJAH !!!

TRADE HIM YESTERDAY !!!

We'll take Pau Gasol  ...Green was born a Laker.

You're saying green is lazy, soft and weak of mind but you're more than happy to chuck him in a trade for Pau Gasol who is owed 40 million these two years....yeah right.

The reason you make that trade is to sell on Green, Bass and Lee (those are the guys you need to make the money work). Gasol will be an expiring $19.5m deal next year, a quite valuable contract, especially since the guy is still a decent big man. 

If the Cs could get Gasol for Green, Bass and Lee, and then sign a vet SF to play behind PP, they'd be a much stronger team than they are currently.  Gasol, KG, PP, RR and Bradley, with JET, Sully, vet SF, Wilcox is a strong rotation.  They'd be able to compete with the bigger teams, like the Nets, and could go small for the Heat by playing PP on LeBron at PF and splitting the big minutes with Gasol and KG )or playing big and punishing the Heat so bat that they are forced to match, which is preferable to me). 

This trade would be a good idea for LA.  They get a SF and SG who can run the floor, and a cost controlled PF who can hit the jumper.  The Lakers would get the depth and speed they desperately need, and they would get two excellent corner three point shooters. 
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: mctyson on November 29, 2012, 06:43:27 PM
I've tried to be patient with Green, but when you consider the extent to which Barboso has fit in to the Celtic's system, in a fraction of the time Green had the season he came, fully healthy, it makes you wonder if having more time will make much difference in his play. And Wilcox plays aggressive as the pre-surgery Wilcox

Barbosa has a clearly defined roll.  He is the backup PG right now and when he comes into the game his job is to score the ball.  Period.

Jeff has not been put in a great position by Doc.  He is talented enough to start on this team, at least be first off the bench, and he doesn't come in until the very end of the 1st quarter, as the 3rd/4th guy off the bench.

He is 7th on the team in minutes per game, just a few ahead of Sullinger.

More to the point - Jeff comes in when our best players typically are out.  He is playing with Barbosa at the point.  He is playing with Sullinger at the 4.  Lee at the 2, sometimes Terry. 

Now...I am not going to defend him that much.  His production, on average, has been poor given how much he is paid and what we expect from him. 
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: D Dub on November 29, 2012, 07:11:59 PM
I've tried to be patient with Green, but when you consider the extent to which Barboso has fit in to the Celtic's system, in a fraction of the time Green had the season he came, fully healthy, it makes you wonder if having more time will make much difference in his play. And Wilcox plays aggressive as the pre-surgery Wilcox

Barbosa has a clearly defined roll.  He is the backup PG right now and when he comes into the game his job is to score the ball.  Period.

Jeff has not been put in a great position by Doc.  He is talented enough to start on this team, at least be first off the bench, and he doesn't come in until the very end of the 1st quarter, as the 3rd/4th guy off the bench.

He is 7th on the team in minutes per game, just a few ahead of Sullinger.

More to the point - Jeff comes in when our best players typically are out.  He is playing with Barbosa at the point.  He is playing with Sullinger at the 4.  Lee at the 2, sometimes Terry. 

Now...I am not going to defend him that much.  His production, on average, has been poor given how much he is paid and what we expect from him.

If Jeff can't dominate against the other team's second units, he's not starter material. 

Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: cman88 on November 29, 2012, 07:28:08 PM
I do agree that part of the problem is doc misusing jeff so far, or not giving him a defined role..part of it is on Jeff, but maybe hes not the type of player to go out and say "let me score" without having a few plays called to get him going first.

if he is struggling, the team needs to call MORE plays for him and feed him the ball to get him going. he's not going to get it going having him stand in a corner

for how athletic he is, why isnt the team running more pick and rolls with Green? make HIM handle the ball more for the 2nd unit, or set picks and roll?

part of it is on green, but also part of it is on Doc needing to find the best way to use Green offensively. because using him to "stretch" the floor and the ocasional Iso play isnt cutting it.


Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on November 30, 2012, 12:13:37 AM
I've tried to be patient with Green, but when you consider the extent to which Barboso has fit in to the Celtic's system, in a fraction of the time Green had the season he came, fully healthy, it makes you wonder if having more time will make much difference in his play. And Wilcox plays aggressive as the pre-surgery Wilcox
feel da exact same way man ima try to give Green some more time since im a supporter but dude is puttin up veterans minimum numbers
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: jdz101 on November 30, 2012, 02:01:39 AM
HALLELUJAH !!!

TRADE HIM YESTERDAY !!!

We'll take Pau Gasol  ...Green was born a Laker.

You're saying green is lazy, soft and weak of mind but you're more than happy to chuck him in a trade for Pau Gasol who is owed 40 million these two years....yeah right.

The reason you make that trade is to sell on Green, Bass and Lee (those are the guys you need to make the money work). Gasol will be an expiring $19.5m deal next year, a quite valuable contract, especially since the guy is still a decent big man. 

If the Cs could get Gasol for Green, Bass and Lee, and then sign a vet SF to play behind PP, they'd be a much stronger team than they are currently.  Gasol, KG, PP, RR and Bradley, with JET, Sully, vet SF, Wilcox is a strong rotation.  They'd be able to compete with the bigger teams, like the Nets, and could go small for the Heat by playing PP on LeBron at PF and splitting the big minutes with Gasol and KG )or playing big and punishing the Heat so bat that they are forced to match, which is preferable to me). 

This trade would be a good idea for LA.  They get a SF and SG who can run the floor, and a cost controlled PF who can hit the jumper.  The Lakers would get the depth and speed they desperately need, and they would get two excellent corner three point shooters.

Seen gasol play lately?

He's not stopping stackhouse swishing wide open threes from the corner.

I just find it strange that considering the criticisms of green, the solution is to throw in him a package for gasol, who is subject to exactly the same sort of criticisms from laker analysts and fans. Leaving out the fact that gasol is owed 20 million bucks next year.

Furthermore, since when do we go out of our way to give the lakers what they need?
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: Smutzy#9 on November 30, 2012, 03:01:32 AM
Good to see Celtics fans on  the site........................
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: chambers on November 30, 2012, 03:16:48 AM
I've tried to be patient with Green, but when you consider the extent to which Barboso has fit in to the Celtic's system, in a fraction of the time Green had the season he came, fully healthy, it makes you wonder if having more time will make much difference in his play. And Wilcox plays aggressive as the pre-surgery Wilcox

Barbosa has a clearly defined roll.  He is the backup PG right now and when he comes into the game his job is to score the ball.  Period.

Jeff has not been put in a great position by Doc.  He is talented enough to start on this team, at least be first off the bench, and he doesn't come in until the very end of the 1st quarter, as the 3rd/4th guy off the bench.

He is 7th on the team in minutes per game, just a few ahead of Sullinger.

More to the point - Jeff comes in when our best players typically are out.  He is playing with Barbosa at the point.  He is playing with Sullinger at the 4.  Lee at the 2, sometimes Terry. 

Now...I am not going to defend him that much.  His production, on average, has been poor given how much he is paid and what we expect from him.

If Jeff can't dominate against the other team's second units, he's not starter material.

I agree with this. People are saying he needs to start and needs more minutes but he can't dominate vs the NBA's chumps as the go to scorer- I can't see how he'd do any better with Pierce, Rondo,Teryy and KG all out there too.
We need a decent 15ppg off the bench from him like James Harden or Kevin Martin before we start experimenting with him starting.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: mctyson on November 30, 2012, 08:08:19 AM
I've tried to be patient with Green, but when you consider the extent to which Barboso has fit in to the Celtic's system, in a fraction of the time Green had the season he came, fully healthy, it makes you wonder if having more time will make much difference in his play. And Wilcox plays aggressive as the pre-surgery Wilcox

Barbosa has a clearly defined roll.  He is the backup PG right now and when he comes into the game his job is to score the ball.  Period.

Jeff has not been put in a great position by Doc.  He is talented enough to start on this team, at least be first off the bench, and he doesn't come in until the very end of the 1st quarter, as the 3rd/4th guy off the bench.

He is 7th on the team in minutes per game, just a few ahead of Sullinger.

More to the point - Jeff comes in when our best players typically are out.  He is playing with Barbosa at the point.  He is playing with Sullinger at the 4.  Lee at the 2, sometimes Terry. 

Now...I am not going to defend him that much.  His production, on average, has been poor given how much he is paid and what we expect from him.

If Jeff can't dominate against the other team's second units, he's not starter material.

I agree with this. People are saying he needs to start and needs more minutes but he can't dominate vs the NBA's chumps as the go to scorer- I can't see how he'd do any better with Pierce, Rondo,Teryy and KG all out there too.
We need a decent 15ppg off the bench from him like James Harden or Kevin Martin before we start experimenting with him starting.


You are both missing my point.  I am not saying that Green shouldn't succeed as a 6th man or reserve player.  I am saying that he isn't getting the minutes he needs and the supporting cast he needs to get there.

I need him closer to 25 minutes a game, with more time with Rondo and KG, before I can make a true assessment on his game.  Doc isn't helping him right now.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 30, 2012, 08:28:18 AM
I just have to think , Perk would have meant more to the Celtics team effort overall if he'd been with the C's than Jeff Green .

Green has ZERO chemistry with this team...I don't know why, he makes few few shots , doesn't assert himself on defense and doesn;t rebound hard ... I don't see him taking charges . 

So I'm asking all the Green supporters ...what is it JEFF GREEN does do that makes you think he is so great?

Or does he just look like a million dollar statue in a NBA uniform?
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: slamtheking on November 30, 2012, 08:35:36 AM
"He was Just on Weei, they asked Doc are you dissapointed in Greens play so far , and Doc said Yes"

well it seems Doc is just like everyone else who's watched Green play this year

Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: dark_lord on November 30, 2012, 08:55:25 AM
yet, there are some on CB that think he should start over pierce, lol.

to date, green has sucked.  i hope he gets it together bc we need his contributions.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: celtics2 on November 30, 2012, 09:49:55 AM
like his rotation problems he doesn't see productivity problems either. Green may be a fine NBA player some day. He's missed a lot of time but we need production now before Pierce and KG apply for retirement.  Between Docs limited managing skills and our lack of talent the clocks ticking away.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: mrpoundforpound on November 30, 2012, 03:17:22 PM
Im sick of fans making jeff the scapegoat. it is 100% doc rivers fault jeff is not producing. if given more time he will thrive. he is an excellent offensive option and great defender that plays with grit and heart. jeff green is doing very well off surgery and much better than stats indicate. jeff is the 3rd best player on the celtics and deserves the fans respect not critism all the time.its only been 10 games give him some time as a starter at least.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: kozlodoev on November 30, 2012, 03:18:43 PM
Im sick of fans making jeff the scapegoat. it is 100% doc rivers fault jeff is not producing. if given more time he will thrive. he is an excellent offensive option and great defender that plays with grit and heart. jeff green is doing very well off surgery and much better than stats indicate. jeff is the 3rd best player on the celtics and deserves the fans respect not critism all the time.its only been 10 games give him some time as a starter at least.
Jeff, is that you? You're due in the Garden in 4 hours, so better hurry.  ;D
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: mrpoundforpound on November 30, 2012, 03:20:11 PM
HALLELUJAH !!!

TRADE HIM YESTERDAY !!!

We'll take Pau Gasol  ...Green was born a Laker.

You're saying green is lazy, soft and weak of mind but you're more than happy to chuck him in a trade for Pau Gasol who is owed 40 million these two years....yeah right.

The reason you make that trade is to sell on Green, Bass and Lee (those are the guys you need to make the money work). Gasol will be an expiring $19.5m deal next year, a quite valuable contract, especially since the guy is still a decent big man. 

If the Cs could get Gasol for Green, Bass and Lee, and then sign a vet SF to play behind PP, they'd be a much stronger team than they are currently.  Gasol, KG, PP, RR and Bradley, with JET, Sully, vet SF, Wilcox is a strong rotation.  They'd be able to compete with the bigger teams, like the Nets, and could go small for the Heat by playing PP on LeBron at PF and splitting the big minutes with Gasol and KG )or playing big and punishing the Heat so bat that they are forced to match, which is preferable to me). 

This trade would be a good idea for LA.  They get a SF and SG who can run the floor, and a cost controlled PF who can hit the jumper.  The Lakers would get the depth and speed they desperately need, and they would get two excellent corner three point shooters.

Seen gasol play lately?

He's not stopping stackhouse swishing wide open threes from the corner.

I just find it strange that considering the criticisms of green, the solution is to throw in him a package for gasol, who is subject to exactly the same sort of criticisms from laker analysts and fans. Leaving out the fact that gasol is owed 20 million bucks next year.

Furthermore, since when do we go out of our way to give the lakers what they need?

exactly. it seems like only a few celtics fans these days actually consider the games being played rather than just box scores most kids look at. jeff green is an inspiration for people off surgery and inspiration to the team and brings much more than the stats. stats are more related to the coach's decision not to play him.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: ScottHow on November 30, 2012, 03:32:23 PM
I don't see how anyone can be anything but disappointed in Green so far. I'm hoping he goes through a streak of good play so we can possibly trick a team into taking him.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: mrpoundforpound on November 30, 2012, 03:34:29 PM
i would keep jeff over gasol. gasol is on the decline and jeff will only get better. plus gasols contract is even more than greens so it makes no sense to the fans who constantly complain jeff is overpaid.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: wdleehi on November 30, 2012, 03:45:20 PM
I am not as disappointed as others. 


He is a good player, but not the star some are hoping for.  His shooting is in a bit of a slump. 


More is expected of him and I am sure he will find his way back to playing at the level he had played when the Celtics traded for him.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: mrpoundforpound on November 30, 2012, 09:59:43 PM
HOW DO YOU FEEL AFTER WATCHING JEFF TONIGHT? BEST PLAYER OF THE GAME! IM SURE WE WONT BE HEARING FROM HATERS TONIGHT. 19 POINTS OFF THE BENCH TOO. JEFF FOR SIXTH MAN OF THE YEAR.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: Atzar on November 30, 2012, 10:01:39 PM
HOW DO YOU FEEL AFTER WATCHING JEFF TONIGHT? BEST PLAYER OF THE GAME! IM SURE WE WONT BE HEARING FROM HATERS TONIGHT. 19 POINTS OFF THE BENCH TOO. JEFF FOR SIXTH MAN OF THE YEAR.

Looks to me like he got called out between the Brooklyn game and tonight.  Entirely different demeanor on offense tonight.

Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: esel1000 on November 30, 2012, 10:03:57 PM
when Green plays well his contract makes a lot of sense... he has the capability to be a star, amazing athleticism. he just needs to be consistent and lead the bench on a nightly basis
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: mrpoundforpound on November 30, 2012, 10:05:46 PM
He is the future of this team! 19/3/2 best game of the season and definately all star worthy numbers. and in only 22 minutes. I dare anyone to say he doesnt look like james worthy potential.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: ronaldo943 on November 30, 2012, 10:06:28 PM
HOW DO YOU FEEL AFTER WATCHING JEFF TONIGHT? BEST PLAYER OF THE GAME! IM SURE WE WONT BE HEARING FROM HATERS TONIGHT. 19 POINTS OFF THE BENCH TOO. JEFF FOR SIXTH MAN OF THE YEAR.

LOL this is so funny
He wont be sixth man of the year
and he wasnt the best player it was an all around team effort
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: Atzar on November 30, 2012, 10:07:30 PM
He is the future of this team! 19/3/2 best game of the season and definately all star worthy numbers. and in only 22 minutes. I dare anyone to say he doesnt look like james worthy potential.

Ahem...

He doesn't look like he has James Worthy's potential.

Come on.  Jeff had a nice night, but Worthy is a HOFer.  Let's be reasonable here.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: ronaldo943 on November 30, 2012, 10:09:05 PM
He is the future of this team! 19/3/2 best game of the season and definately all star worthy numbers. and in only 22 minutes. I dare anyone to say he doesnt look like james worthy potential.

Doesnt look like James Worthy potential
Sully and Bradley are the future of team

Is it you Jeff?
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: indeedproceed on November 30, 2012, 10:10:42 PM
He is the future of this team! 19/3/2 best game of the season and definately all star worthy numbers. and in only 22 minutes. I dare anyone to say he doesnt look like james worthy potential.

Not really all-star numbers until he does it every night. A good sign, but he's got a long, long ways to go til he reaches consistency.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: mrpoundforpound on November 30, 2012, 10:10:52 PM
He is the future of this team! 19/3/2 best game of the season and definately all star worthy numbers. and in only 22 minutes. I dare anyone to say he doesnt look like james worthy potential.

Doesnt look like James Worthy potential
Sully and Bradley are the future of team

Is it you Jeff?

i dont see sully or bradly on the court scoring 19. how can i be jeff when hes playing a game now. hes too busy for this nonsense.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: ronaldo943 on November 30, 2012, 10:15:50 PM
He is the future of this team! 19/3/2 best game of the season and definately all star worthy numbers. and in only 22 minutes. I dare anyone to say he doesnt look like james worthy potential.

Doesnt look like James Worthy potential
Sully and Bradley are the future of team

Is it you Jeff?

i dont see sully or bradly on the court scoring 19. how can i be jeff when hes playing a game now. hes too busy for this nonsense.

Sully got 9 points on 66% shooting and 8 rebounds he is a rookie
Avery Bradley is injured but he is more valuable to the team than Jeff
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: jowwwman on November 30, 2012, 10:42:52 PM
He is the future of this team! 19/3/2 best game of the season and definately all star worthy numbers. and in only 22 minutes. I dare anyone to say he doesnt look like james worthy potential.

Doesnt look like James Worthy potential
Sully and Bradley are the future of team

Is it you Jeff?

i dont see sully or bradly on the court scoring 19. how can i be jeff when hes playing a game now. hes too busy for this nonsense.

Sully got 9 points on 66% shooting and 8 rebounds he is a rookie
Avery Bradley is injured but he is more valuable to the team than Jeff

jeff green brings no more than the average player.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: blink on November 30, 2012, 10:46:09 PM
i like Jeff Green, but the real question is do we have a troll problem?
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: dark_lord on December 01, 2012, 05:45:20 PM
JEFF FOR SIXTH MAN OF THE YEAR.

lol...lets pump the brakes a little
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: LooseCannon on December 01, 2012, 06:17:39 PM
He doesn't look like he has James Worthy's potential.

Does he have the potential to be a non-HOF level, poor man's James Worthy?
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: MJohnnyboy on December 01, 2012, 07:01:56 PM
I think a more humble comparison is Darius Miles with a more solid jumpshot and a much better attitude. You know, before Miles lost his knees.

That's a fair compromise no?
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: guava_wrench on December 01, 2012, 08:33:21 PM
He doesn't look like he has James Worthy's potential.

Does he have the potential to be a non-HOF level, poor man's James Worthy?
What does that mean? The whole "poor man's" thing is so superficial.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: LooseCannon on December 01, 2012, 10:09:23 PM
He doesn't look like he has James Worthy's potential.

Does he have the potential to be a non-HOF level, poor man's James Worthy?
What does that mean? The whole "poor man's" thing is so superficial.

It means having similar strengths and skill set but not as good in most of those abilities.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 01, 2012, 10:13:48 PM
I guess Doc's not disappointed in his game tonight.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: Atzar on December 01, 2012, 10:26:54 PM
He doesn't look like he has James Worthy's potential.

Does he have the potential to be a non-HOF level, poor man's James Worthy?

Eh.  He resembles Worthy in size and build, but that's about it.  Worthy had incredible touch and was an excellent finisher around the basket.  He was decisive with the ball.  Green seems to like to feel out the defense, getting the ball and waiting a few seconds before making a move.  Worthy was active and he was decisive - he'd get in position, get the ball and go straight into his move. 

I also think Worthy was even more athletic.  Quicker first step, certainly.
Title: Re: Doc " Dissapointed in Green's play so far"
Post by: cman88 on December 01, 2012, 11:05:32 PM
so, I wanted to see how green would follow up last nights game..and he had a really nice game tonight

18points, 6rebounds in only 23minutes

has he finally turned the corner?