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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: WeMadeIt17 on November 28, 2012, 11:59:57 PM
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This team needed a wake up call. This team I do feel will respond. This team will play better for some time now. I also do believe some trade needs to happen though. We need a rebounder in the starting lineup badly. But all in all I do beleive Doc needed to say what he said (Can only imagine what he said in the locker room) This team responds wins big friday and get some other big wins here soon. LETS GO CELTICS!
EDIT: Doc's words:
The Boston Celtics and Brooklyn Nets played a physical game Wednesday which resulted in four players being ejected for fighting during the first half. While that may be a sign of toughness to some, Celtics head coach Doc Rivers doesn't agree.
Instead, Rivers said the Celtics were "a soft team right now" and that fighting was not a sign of toughness.
"We're a soft team right now," Rivers said, according to NESN.com. "We have no toughness, and that stuff's not toughness. All that stuff, that's not toughness."
Rivers said while a few players, including Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Rajon Rondo, understand the way to play while wearing a Boston jersey, the others just expect to be something. Rivers said the players have to earn it and bring effort every night because teams give the Celtics their best.
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Hopefully it works. Doc has certainly shown a good history of knowing how to push the right buttons with this team.
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Got a link? I didn't catch it.
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Got a link? I didn't catch it.
He called 'em "soft."
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Got a link? I didn't catch it.
ditto
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yes yes yes
Doc always says the right things
push the good buttons
and call the worst plays ever and use the worst lineups possible until he reads celticsblog or listen the media
:D
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yes yes yes
Doc always says the right things
push the good buttons
and call the worst plays ever and use the worst lineups possible until he reads celticsblog or listen the media
:D
Offensive rebounding has improved. CB take a bow. Defensive rebounding is another story though :-X
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yes yes yes
Doc always says the right things
push the good buttons
and call the worst plays ever and use the worst lineups possible until he reads celticsblog or listen the media
:D
I am not always raving about his lineups, but he doesn't call bad plays. You cant really say Doc is a bad coach.. He said what needed to be said. Now the players have to go out and prove that they are celtics.
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yes yes yes
Doc always says the right things
push the good buttons
and call the worst plays ever and use the worst lineups possible until he reads celticsblog or listen the media
:D
I am not always raving about his lineups, but he doesn't call bad plays. You cant really say Doc is a bad coach.. He said what needed to be said. Now the players have to go out and prove that they are celtics.
other than the all known alley from rondo to KG
i cant remember another play not being called PP ISO
in his book.
He say great things , hes a good motivator, hes somehow an average coach, but like my little green friend ( Yoda no lucky) used to say
A great coach he is not
hes a flawed coach with some good things.
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yes yes yes
Doc always says the right things
push the good buttons
and call the worst plays ever and use the worst lineups possible until he reads celticsblog or listen the media
:D
I am not always raving about his lineups, but he doesn't call bad plays. You cant really say Doc is a bad coach.. He said what needed to be said. Now the players have to go out and prove that they are celtics.
other than the all known alley from rondo to KG
i cant remember another play not being called PP ISO
in his book.
He say great things , hes a good motivator, hes somehow an average coach, but like my little green friend ( Yoda no lucky) used to say
A great coach he is not
hes a flawed coach with some good things.
It always amazes me how Doc is consistently referred to as one of the game's best coaches by other NBA coaches, players, and analysts but Celticsbloggers remain completely unimpressed. I mean really, what do the professionals know?
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yes yes yes
Doc always says the right things
push the good buttons
and call the worst plays ever and use the worst lineups possible until he reads celticsblog or listen the media
:D
I am not always raving about his lineups, but he doesn't call bad plays. You cant really say Doc is a bad coach.. He said what needed to be said. Now the players have to go out and prove that they are celtics.
other than the all known alley from rondo to KG
i cant remember another play not being called PP ISO
in his book.
He say great things , hes a good motivator, hes somehow an average coach, but like my little green friend ( Yoda no lucky) used to say
A great coach he is not
hes a flawed coach with some good things.
It always amazes me how Doc is consistently referred to as one of the game's best coaches by other NBA coaches, players, and analysts but Celticsbloggers remain completely unimpressed. I mean really, what do the professionals know?
:)
I am on the other side of the argument just right now
I mean everybody is entitled to their own oppinion
why a single mortal that has seen tons of games knows less than an analysts
why chuck is a bad analyst or a good one
why earth is round.
Oh well, i think hes not a good Xs Os coach and his rotations stinks and i will stick to it until proven otherwise
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Got a link? I didn't catch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3T0QjoAuaU
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I don't know if him saying it in the media will help, but he's not lying. This team is a soft as Charmin right now and shows not one ounce of aggression or mean streak. No team is afraid of them right now and it shows.
Times like this are why I miss Tony and Perk a bit because they weren't soft and if they were it wasn't shown.
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I don't know if him saying it in the media will help, but he's not lying. This team is a soft as Charmin right now and shows not one ounce of aggression or mean streak. No team is afraid of them right now and it shows.
Times like this are why I miss Tony and Perk a bit because they weren't soft and if they were it wasn't shown.
true
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I don't know if him saying it in the media will help, but he's not lying. This team is a soft as Charmin right now and shows not one ounce of aggression or mean streak. No team is afraid of them right now and it shows.
Times like this are why I miss Tony and Perk a bit because they weren't soft and if they were it wasn't shown.
I'm sorry, but I think the whole "being afraid" of other teams is a bit of a silly concept. I don't think anybody is really afraid of anybody in the NBA. Certainly, though, some teams are better than others. I don't really think fear is a major factor, though.
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I don't know if him saying it in the media will help, but he's not lying. This team is a soft as Charmin right now and shows not one ounce of aggression or mean streak. No team is afraid of them right now and it shows.
Times like this are why I miss Tony and Perk a bit because they weren't soft and if they were it wasn't shown.
I'm sorry, but I think the whole "being afraid" of other teams is a bit of a silly concept. I don't think anybody is really afraid of anybody in the NBA. Certainly, though, some teams are better than others. I don't really think fear is a major factor, though.
I think this is semantics
call it however, respect, awareness, fear.
Its different when team try to beat the other team (that is better) and being played without any consideration from the start.
As much as i think in pro sports all are equals. Some teams lose the respect of being called equals, or top tier equals, thats what i am worried about, as much as how much i love when my cs plays their A game and looks unbeatable.
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I don't know if him saying it in the media will help, but he's not lying. This team is a soft as Charmin right now and shows not one ounce of aggression or mean streak. No team is afraid of them right now and it shows.
Times like this are why I miss Tony and Perk a bit because they weren't soft and if they were it wasn't shown.
I'm sorry, but I think the whole "being afraid" of other teams is a bit of a silly concept. I don't think anybody is really afraid of anybody in the NBA. Certainly, though, some teams are better than others. I don't really think fear is a major factor, though.
I think this is semantics
call it however, respect, awareness, fear.
Its different when team try to beat the other team (that is better) and being played without any consideration from the start.
As much as i think in pro sports all are equals. Some teams lose the respect of being called equals, or top tier equals, thats what i am worried about, as much as how much i love when my cs plays their A game and looks unbeatable.
This Celtics team is more than capable of going on a nice run of playing winning basketball. I think the rest of the league knows that.
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I don't know if him saying it in the media will help, but he's not lying. This team is a soft as Charmin right now and shows not one ounce of aggression or mean streak. No team is afraid of them right now and it shows.
Times like this are why I miss Tony and Perk a bit because they weren't soft and if they were it wasn't shown.
I'm sorry, but I think the whole "being afraid" of other teams is a bit of a silly concept. I don't think anybody is really afraid of anybody in the NBA. Certainly, though, some teams are better than others. I don't really think fear is a major factor, though.
I think this is semantics
call it however, respect, awareness, fear.
Its different when team try to beat the other team (that is better) and being played without any consideration from the start.
As much as i think in pro sports all are equals. Some teams lose the respect of being called equals, or top tier equals, thats what i am worried about, as much as how much i love when my cs plays their A game and looks unbeatable.
This Celtics team is more than capable of going on a nice run of playing winning basketball. I think the rest of the league knows that.
ESPN dont... :p
they think we are screwed since we lose that guy
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I don't know if him saying it in the media will help, but he's not lying. This team is a soft as Charmin right now and shows not one ounce of aggression or mean streak. No team is afraid of them right now and it shows.
Times like this are why I miss Tony and Perk a bit because they weren't soft and if they were it wasn't shown.
I'm sorry, but I think the whole "being afraid" of other teams is a bit of a silly concept. I don't think anybody is really afraid of anybody in the NBA. Certainly, though, some teams are better than others. I don't really think fear is a major factor, though.
I think this is semantics
call it however, respect, awareness, fear.
Its different when team try to beat the other team (that is better) and being played without any consideration from the start.
As much as i think in pro sports all are equals. Some teams lose the respect of being called equals, or top tier equals, thats what i am worried about, as much as how much i love when my cs plays their A game and looks unbeatable.
This Celtics team is more than capable of going on a nice run of playing winning basketball. I think the rest of the league knows that.
ESPN dont... :p
they think we are screwed since we lose that guy
While I don't think the Celtics are completely screwed without Rondo because Barbosa has proven to be a productive replacement so far, though he's obviously a completely different player. Pierce has also proven in the past that he can run the offense effectively. Still, I don't think this is like last year when the Celtics could start Avery in place of Rondo and get by because the effect of Avery's constant swarming defense on the opposing ball-handler made up for the drop-off in offensive efficiency. Barbosa can get hot and score in bunches, but he doesn't really improve the team offense, and he's certainly not a plus defensively, though he's been better than advertised there.
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I don't know if him saying it in the media will help, but he's not lying. This team is a soft as Charmin right now and shows not one ounce of aggression or mean streak. No team is afraid of them right now and it shows.
Times like this are why I miss Tony and Perk a bit because they weren't soft and if they were it wasn't shown.
I'm sorry, but I think the whole "being afraid" of other teams is a bit of a silly concept. I don't think anybody is really afraid of anybody in the NBA. Certainly, though, some teams are better than others. I don't really think fear is a major factor, though.
I think this is semantics
call it however, respect, awareness, fear.
Its different when team try to beat the other team (that is better) and being played without any consideration from the start.
As much as i think in pro sports all are equals. Some teams lose the respect of being called equals, or top tier equals, thats what i am worried about, as much as how much i love when my cs plays their A game and looks unbeatable.
This Celtics team is more than capable of going on a nice run of playing winning basketball. I think the rest of the league knows that.
ESPN dont... :p
they think we are screwed since we lose that guy
While I don't think the Celtics are completely screwed without Rondo because Barbosa has proven to be a productive replacement so far, though he's obviously a completely different player. Pierce has also proven in the past that he can run the offense effectively. Still, I don't think this is like last year when the Celtics could start Avery in place of Rondo and get by because the effect of Avery's constant swarming defense on the opposing ball-handler made up for the drop-off in offensive efficiency. Barbosa can get hot and score in bunches, but he doesn't really improve the team offense, and he's certainly not a plus defensively, though he's been better than advertised there.
I was talking about Ray
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They are soft right now....
That will definitely light a fire under the players. Noone likes being called soft.
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Doc is 100% right. I turned on the game at the 3:00 mark in the 1st q, C's were down 17-16. The Nets announcers were talking about how poorly the nets were shooting (I think it was 36% at the time) but were still ahead. I immediately knew that was because they were outrebounding the C's, getting more chances, and we were turning the ball over.
Last night's game was disgusting. The worst effort of the year. Worse than Detroit.
It is shocking to me how many wide open shots, especially 3's, teams are getting against us this year. That is all defensive intensity and focus.
I cannot understate how badly this team needs Avery Bradley right now.
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I don't know if him saying it in the media will help, but he's not lying. This team is a soft as Charmin right now and shows not one ounce of aggression or mean streak. No team is afraid of them right now and it shows.
Times like this are why I miss Tony and Perk a bit because they weren't soft and if they were it wasn't shown.
I'm sorry, but I think the whole "being afraid" of other teams is a bit of a silly concept. I don't think anybody is really afraid of anybody in the NBA. Certainly, though, some teams are better than others. I don't really think fear is a major factor, though.
Intimidation is definitely a factor big time. We lost that factor when we traded Perk and haven't been able to get it back since. Having Perk next to Garnett in the paint on D changes a teams whole outlook on how they attack the basket. Players are afraid to drive because they knew they werent going to get an easy shot or they were gonna get bumped on their butts. That swagger, attitude, fear, intimidation call it what you want, is a big piece of what this team doesnt have right now.
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This kind of reminds of the 2009 patriots when you saw Belichick on a football life saying on the sideline, "I just can't get these guys to play the way I need them to play."
Sometimes as a coach you try everything you can and the mix of players just wasnt right.
Doc has been saying for years just get me talent and I'll figure it out, now he has talent and isnt getting the most out of it.
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Bass is trying , so is Wilcox and Sully, .... but Green and Jet and Lee ARE PLAYING SISSY BALL. The C's are just undersized and outmuscled at nearly everypostion... or the younger guys energy is too much for Pierce and KG .
Green needs to be DUMPED ASAP.
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This and the EEI interview leads me to believe that Jeff Greens arse is getting a match applied to it in today's practice. Hopefully some other slackers will fall in line.
When is Avery Bradley going to walk through that door and bring Celtics attitude back?
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This and the EEI interview leads me to believe that Jeff Greens arse is getting a match applied to it in today's practice. Hopefully some other slackers will fall in line.
Yeah, and I am not sure it is just Green. If Doc is doing it or not, I am pretty confident KG is in everyone face right now, asking them if they would stand up for a teammate the way Rondo did.
But I do think (or hope) Doc is starting to change his tact with Green in particular. I think he has been soft on him so far, hoping he would come around. But clearly that hasn't worked. I think its time he starts riding him, and really trying to get more out of him.
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Were 15 games in. This is getting ridiculous. I Love that he said it, but Hate that he had too.
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Love it. Hopefully will start the fire under this team.
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Jason Terry is not soft.
Courtney Lee is not soft.
Chris Wilcox is not soft.
Leandro Barbosa is not soft.
I think we've seen enough of Sully to know that, whatever his other weaknesses, he's not soft.
Jeff Green? Yeah, he's been playing soft.
But the rest of the guys who've seen the court are not soft players. All but one of them are veterans who've been through the wars and never been accused of being soft in the past. If these guys are playing soft, Doc needs to look at himself in the mirror for why that may be. Before he starts throwing the players under the bus, could Doc explain exactly what the heck was going on with the 09-10 team that went 27-27 for the last two thirds of the season. Was that team "soft"?
Mike
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Basically Rondo blew up... watching his teamates getting pushed around , beat on for 2 quarters like a bunch of little girls.
The BOSTON CELTICS "ALL" need to put on their "BIG BOY" pants and start playing ball like a team that wants a win .
If , not ..then if I was Doc and Danny I'd tell em to clean out their lockers and find some people that WANT TO WIN or really truely give a rats hind leg..
Jeff Green is the RING LEADER of the SISSY SQUAD...
Green has NO passion for the game... its a job and paycheck.
TOO many Jeff slack GREENS spoils the team and drags it down.
More guys like RONDO , BRADLEY and KG , Barbosa & Sully comes to play as well.
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Jason Terry is not soft.
Courtney Lee is not soft.
Chris Wilcox is not soft.
Leandro Barbosa is not soft.
I think we've seen enough of Sully to know that, whatever his other weaknesses, he's not soft.
Jeff Green? Yeah, he's been playing soft.
But the rest of the guys who've seen the court are not soft players. All but one of them are veterans who've been through the wars and never been accused of being soft in the past. If these guys are playing soft, Doc needs to look at himself in the mirror for why that may be. Before he starts throwing the players under the bus, could Doc explain exactly what the heck was going on with the 09-10 team that went 27-27 for the last two thirds of the season. Was that team "soft"?
Mike
I agree that our players aren't soft (save Jeff Green), but we, collectively, are soft as butter right now. We don't:
-Get to the FT line consistently
-Put bodies on people and rebound
-Generally make scrappy, hustle plays
-Play tough defense and impose our presence - I mean two terrible teams in Detroit and Orlando looked incredibly confident against our defense, as if they were shooting alone in a gym
I literally yell at my TV, using choice words for our players and the way we play. I think you can out figure what those words are.
I love the C's, but we are soft. SOFT. Softest team in the league, possibly.
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Jason Terry is not soft.
Courtney Lee is not soft.
Chris Wilcox is not soft.
Leandro Barbosa is not soft.
I think we've seen enough of Sully to know that, whatever his other weaknesses, he's not soft.
Jeff Green? Yeah, he's been playing soft.
This is all irrelevant. There is no "I" in team. And the team is soft. Celtic teams from previous team will take your best blow, and hit back harder (and I don't mean that literally -- yes, I'm looking at you, Rajon Rondo). They'll execute when it matters, and would never be written off until the final whistle.
This year's team... they kind of do the same without the hitting back part. We give up way more "big plays" than we're making (bad shots, turnovers, botched defense, offensive rebounds to the opposition, you name it) than we make -- and this is just not going to win you a lot of games.
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Rivers is starting to act like the petulent child he acted like pre-Garnett.
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Rivers is starting to act like the petulent child he acted like pre-Garnett.
Oh yea, he totally should have pretended nothing was wrong and we haven't been playing Soft and have zero intimidation factor right now ::)
Everything he said was right. The Nets, and every other team, come in knowing that if they attack the offensive glass hard, they'll get a ton of rebounds and extra shots because we are soft as cheese.
I'm glad Doc said it, mabey it will p--- guys off and we won't have to watch this team play like Dog's thinking showing up in a green uniform is going to win a basketball game.
Rebounding and Defense are about effort and a "I'm going to win the 50/50 battle, every time" mindset, which this team lacks.
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Rivers is starting to act like the petulent child he acted like pre-Garnett.
By saying what everyone who has watch them play already knew?
He called himself out too, and took responsibility for not doing his job. But he can't deny the fact that his team is charmin soft at the moment. Now he needs to find a way to fix it.
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Did he say.okay, start rebounding..? Rebounding IS DEFENSE....NEVER stop going for the ball, when you do, you sit.....no one ever made an outlet pass with another rebounder in your face....!
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Jason Terry is not soft.
Courtney Lee is not soft.
Chris Wilcox is not soft.
Leandro Barbosa is not soft.
I think we've seen enough of Sully to know that, whatever his other weaknesses, he's not soft.
Jeff Green? Yeah, he's been playing soft.
This is all irrelevant.
Uh...that's why I wrote the rest of it. If your players aren't soft but your team is playing soft, who's responsibility is that? The players? Sure, but it's also on the coach because he CLEARLY is doing something wrong. That's also why I brought up another example, and there are others, of this Celtic team playing inexplicably bad in the years since the title.
If you have to simply ignore what someone posts in order to disagree, maybe you should think twice before responding.
MIke