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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: cman88 on November 28, 2012, 09:03:15 PM
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so, I think its pretty obvious the league will throw down suspensions for what happened in tonights game. what do you think he will get?
Im going to say 2-3 games for Rondo..
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Ugh, I hate being a Celtics fan. Not because I hate, I love this team but I get tired of the way other fans pick and choose which players they wanna support and when.
First off, I'm bummed Rondo's streak is over. It represented some of the most CONSISTENT ball he's played over his career. And what's been one of the biggest gripes against Rondo over his career? Oh yeah, inconsistency. I see a lot of people saying Rondo's streak was a distraction. In all honesty, I welcome the distraction from the mediocre defense this team has played this season. The streak was a bright a spot.
The tussle tonight (it was not a brawl) is going to be majorly blown out of proportion. When I watched the Humphries/KG play in real time, it really looked a lot worse than it was and I was livid. The whole fight looked a lot worse than it was. These players don't have the benefit of constant replay to figure out what happened. Am I mad Rondo didn't keep his cool and not react? Absolutely. But it initially looked like KG got hit and I would've been a lot more upset if nobody defended him. Rondo gave Humphries a push (which does happen a lot in basketball) but then in my opinion tries to go help KG up but get Humphries grabbed his arm sleeve and the pushing match broke it. No punches were thrown from either side in my opinion and I think both ejections for Rondo and Humphries was an overreaction.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the C's coming out and playing with more fire in the 2nd half.
EDIT: this was supposed to be a response to the game thread... Not quite sure how I ended here. (Darn cell phones)
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Don't really see what he did as worthy of an additional suspension. The ejection was warranted, but I think it should be left at that.
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Just a short clip for now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nnds06df3A
I think another game is appropriate. It's the shove into the face that does it.
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He'll get a game I think. No punches, just a couple shoves to the upper chest and chin. But bad enough that they'll want to do something.
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Look out for the media blowing it out of proportion. Rondo also has a history. A big number 5-10 games would be my guess.
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0 games. Got ejected. That was punishment enough. No suspensions from the league.
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Look out for the media blowing it out of proportion. Rondo also has a history. A big number 5-10 games would be my guess.
If Rondo gets a 5 game suspension I'll eat my hat. Artest got 7 for elbowing Harden in the face, and Rondo's history has nothing on him.
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Chris Paul hasn't been suspended since college, at least according to this blog of NBA fines and suspensions.
http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/fines.html
Yes, I went there.
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No suspension!
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Look out for the media blowing it out of proportion. Rondo also has a history. A big number 5-10 games would be my guess.
5-10 games? Stop it.
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Chris Paul hasn't been suspended since college, at least according to this blog of NBA fines and suspensions.
http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/fines.html
Yes, I went there.
Yeah but he punched a guy in the junk to get that college suspension, so that counts extra. ;D
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Look out for the media blowing it out of proportion. Rondo also has a history. A big number 5-10 games would be my guess.
5-10 games? Stop it.
Yeah, you typically have to do something pretty severe for a 5-10 game suspension. That'd be about a $1 million loss for Rondo. It'd have to be pretty bad.
The NBA wants its sport to be family entertainment and thus tries to discourage such behavior, but the league in no way benefits from a star player pointlessly sitting out games. I think one game gets the point across. Maybe zero. No more than 1.
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Chris Paul hasn't been suspended since college, at least according to this blog of NBA fines and suspensions.
http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/fines.html
Yes, I went there.
Yeah but he punched a guy in the junk to get that college suspension, so that counts extra. ;D
Ha! Great post. Thanks for bringing some levity to an otherwise disappointing situation. You, my friend, have earned a TP.
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Honestly, what in that skirmish warrants a suspension for anyone on either team? The closest to a suspension is Wallace and he got ejected so that pretty much took care of that. There was nothing there that seemed suspension worthy for anyone.
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Honestly, what in that skirmish warrants a suspension for anyone on either team? The closest to a suspension is Wallace and he got ejected so that pretty much took care of that. There was nothing there that seemed suspension worthy for anyone.
That's what I think is fair too, based on the actual events.
The problem, as we've all seen time after time, is that the league often reacts not just based on actual events, but on its own inscrutable interpretation of things.
Who knows.
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Five games based on previous instances of suspensionable conduct.
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Chris Paul hasn't been suspended since college, at least according to this blog of NBA fines and suspensions.
http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/fines.html
Yes, I went there.
I guess we now know why he takes all those playoff losses so calmly.
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1 game for Rondo just because the league goes after "repeat" guys.
This is what happens when both teams are physical and only one team gets to the line. Guys get frustrated as hell about it.
Still stupid overreaction.
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I think he may get 1 game suspension.
Also I wish they will stop calling it a brawl. He didn't punch him, he pushed him into the stands (I find it interesting how he pushed a much taller and bigger person that hard).
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Chris Paul hasn't been suspended since college, at least according to this blog of NBA fines and suspensions.
http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/fines.html
Yes, I went there.
I guess we now know why he takes all those playoff losses so calmly.
I'd prefer that than getting suspended a game in the middle of a playoff series. Season is 82 games, playoff series is 4-7. Why get carried away during 1 game out of 82? Losing your cool doesn't help the cause in either situation.
And if you want to get technical about it, Rondo lost 9 playoff games last year and lost 10 the year he won the championship. I thought the major criticism of CP3 was not going far enough in the playoffs. Rondo has lost bunches more playoff games than him.
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Five games based on previous instances of suspensionable conduct.
5 game suspensions are saved for pretty severe situations. There is no way this merits 5 games. The most recent incidents to get 5 games come from Bynum's mid-air elbow on Barea, Villanueva following Ryan Hollins into the locker room to continue an altercation, and Antonio Davis going into the stands.
Artest, as mentioned earlier, got 7 games for concussing James Harden with an elbow to the head. Artest has a worse history than Rondo. This, in no way, shape, or form, gets 5 games. Rondo's history merits 1 instead of 0.
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And if you want to get technical about it, Rondo lost 9 playoff games last year and lost 10 the year he won the championship. I thought the major criticism of CP3 was not going far enough in the playoffs. Rondo has lost bunches more playoff games than him.
I guess going far in the playoffs is a negative now?
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This is classic Rondo. Playing amazing ball then does something that makes everyone go 'ugh'.
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And if you want to get technical about it, Rondo lost 9 playoff games last year and lost 10 the year he won the championship. I thought the major criticism of CP3 was not going far enough in the playoffs. Rondo has lost bunches more playoff games than him.
I guess going far in the playoffs is a negative now?
If you say so. I am unsure where you read that. I guess pointless suspensions are a positive now?
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And if you want to get technical about it, Rondo lost 9 playoff games last year and lost 10 the year he won the championship. I thought the major criticism of CP3 was not going far enough in the playoffs. Rondo has lost bunches more playoff games than him.
I guess going far in the playoffs is a negative now?
FACT: Magic Johnson lost more playoff games than Baron Davis. So overrated.
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And if you want to get technical about it, Rondo lost 9 playoff games last year and lost 10 the year he won the championship. I thought the major criticism of CP3 was not going far enough in the playoffs. Rondo has lost bunches more playoff games than him.
I guess going far in the playoffs is a negative now?
FACT: Magic Johnson lost more playoff games than Baron Davis. So overrated.
I guess it is fun to draw pointless conclusions and analogies from my post. I never once said that Rondo losing more playoff games than Paul makes Paul a better player. I said it as a simple matter of fact.
Tim Duncan is taller than Keyon Dooling and is a better player.
Please post a sarcastic comment about how I think Joe Kleine being taller than Michael Jordan makes him a better player.
Or maybe I should jump to conclusions and say that you are equating Rajon to Magic and equating CP3 to Baron Davis. Jumping to conclusions is fun.
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Bynum got a 4 game suspension after clotheslining Barea in the playoffs. This isn't anything close to that. 1 game suspension maximum.
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Bynum got a 4 game suspension after clotheslining Barea in the playoffs. This isn't anything close to that. 1 game suspension maximum.
Exactly. There is no previous instance that makes me think this is any more than one game.
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And if you want to get technical about it, Rondo lost 9 playoff games last year and lost 10 the year he won the championship. I thought the major criticism of CP3 was not going far enough in the playoffs. Rondo has lost bunches more playoff games than him.
I guess going far in the playoffs is a negative now?
If you say so. I am unsure where you read that. I guess pointless suspensions are a positive now?
Yeah but are you just being a hater to troll or something?
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I think he may get 1 game suspension.
Also I wish they will stop calling it a brawl. He didn't punch him, he pushed him into the stands (I find it interesting how he pushed a much taller and bigger person that hard).
Yeah, Rondo getting his jersey pulled off by Humphries tells the story about how he ended in the stands.
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And if you want to get technical about it, Rondo lost 9 playoff games last year and lost 10 the year he won the championship. I thought the major criticism of CP3 was not going far enough in the playoffs. Rondo has lost bunches more playoff games than him.
I guess going far in the playoffs is a negative now?
If you say so. I am unsure where you read that. I guess pointless suspensions are a positive now?
You can read my first post in the thread if you want my opinion on Rondo's actions. You were the one bring up how Rondo has lost a heck of a lot more playoff games than CP3.
You also brought up CP3 for no apparent reason other than to pick a fight.
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And if you want to get technical about it, Rondo lost 9 playoff games last year and lost 10 the year he won the championship. I thought the major criticism of CP3 was not going far enough in the playoffs. Rondo has lost bunches more playoff games than him.
I guess going far in the playoffs is a negative now?
If you say so. I am unsure where you read that. I guess pointless suspensions are a positive now?
You can read my first post in the thread if you want my opinion on Rondo's actions. You were the one bring up how Rondo has lost a heck of a lot more playoff games than CP3.
You also brought up CP3 for no apparent reason other than to pick a fight.
I mentioned that he lost more playoff games in response to a post about calmness in losing playoff games. You can read my full post and what it is in response to if that helps. There is no instance of saying that number of playoff losses make CP3 a better or worse player than Rondo.
I believe you are free to ignore a CP3 comment should you choose to do so. If you think I am "picking a fight", you can choose not to respond, which is what Rondo should have done.
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And if you want to get technical about it, Rondo lost 9 playoff games last year and lost 10 the year he won the championship. I thought the major criticism of CP3 was not going far enough in the playoffs. Rondo has lost bunches more playoff games than him.
I guess going far in the playoffs is a negative now?
If you say so. I am unsure where you read that. I guess pointless suspensions are a positive now?
You can read my first post in the thread if you want my opinion on Rondo's actions. You were the one bring up how Rondo has lost a heck of a lot more playoff games than CP3.
You also brought up CP3 for no apparent reason other than to pick a fight.
I mentioned that he lost more playoff games in response to a post about calmness in losing playoff games. You can read my full post and what it is in response to if that helps.
I read what you wrote and it was a silly attempt to nitpick a criticism of CP3, and it remains silly that you're defending it.
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And if you want to get technical about it, Rondo lost 9 playoff games last year and lost 10 the year he won the championship. I thought the major criticism of CP3 was not going far enough in the playoffs. Rondo has lost bunches more playoff games than him.
I guess going far in the playoffs is a negative now?
If you say so. I am unsure where you read that. I guess pointless suspensions are a positive now?
Yeah but are you just being a hater to troll or something?
The thing that is most offensive about that post is that it is a direct affront to logic. The opportunity to win, and lose, more playoff games is apparently a drawback and an out of context stat that can be thrown in a players face. The respect paid to logic is the respect paid to future posts by said poster from this gentleman.
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And if you want to get technical about it, Rondo lost 9 playoff games last year and lost 10 the year he won the championship. I thought the major criticism of CP3 was not going far enough in the playoffs. Rondo has lost bunches more playoff games than him.
I guess going far in the playoffs is a negative now?
If you say so. I am unsure where you read that. I guess pointless suspensions are a positive now?
You can read my first post in the thread if you want my opinion on Rondo's actions. You were the one bring up how Rondo has lost a heck of a lot more playoff games than CP3.
You also brought up CP3 for no apparent reason other than to pick a fight.
I mentioned that he lost more playoff games in response to a post about calmness in losing playoff games. You can read my full post and what it is in response to if that helps.
I read what you wrote and it was a silly attempt to nitpick a criticism of CP3, and it remains silly that you're defending it.
It was nothing of the sort. I guess you are still misunderstanding it. What exactly am I defending? It is silly to say that losing more playoff games doesn't make Rondo a worse player than CP3? I think we are all in agreement there.
There is no instance of saying that number of playoff losses make CP3 a better or worse player than Rondo.
That was in m previous thread, the one that you said was me "defending" a silly nitpick, but you conveniently left it out to try to make a point
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And if you want to get technical about it, Rondo lost 9 playoff games last year and lost 10 the year he won the championship. I thought the major criticism of CP3 was not going far enough in the playoffs. Rondo has lost bunches more playoff games than him.
I guess going far in the playoffs is a negative now?
If you say so. I am unsure where you read that. I guess pointless suspensions are a positive now?
Yeah but are you just being a hater to troll or something?
The thing that is most offensive about that post is that it is a direct affront to logic. The opportunity to win, and lose, more playoff games is apparently a drawback and an out of context stat that can be thrown in a players face. The respect paid to logic is the respect paid to future posts by said poster from this gentleman.
There is no instance of me saying that number of playoff losses make CP3 a better or worse player than Rondo.
I never once said that the opportunity to win or lose more playoff games is a drawback and should be thrown in a players face. I never said that was a drawback to Rondo. Keep putting words in my mouth, jumping to conclusions, and chasing ghosts though.
I guess everyone is really upset after this loss. The season is long, no need to lose control, like our point guard did.
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I am guessing 3-5 games, given his history.
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And if you want to get technical about it, Rondo lost 9 playoff games last year and lost 10 the year he won the championship. I thought the major criticism of CP3 was not going far enough in the playoffs. Rondo has lost bunches more playoff games than him.
I guess going far in the playoffs is a negative now?
If you say so. I am unsure where you read that. I guess pointless suspensions are a positive now?
Yeah but are you just being a hater to troll or something?
The thing that is most offensive about that post is that it is a direct affront to logic. The opportunity to win, and lose, more playoff games is apparently a drawback and an out of context stat that can be thrown in a players face. The respect paid to logic is the respect paid to future posts by said poster from this gentleman.
There is no instance of me saying that number of playoff losses make CP3 a better or worse player than Rondo.
I never once said that the opportunity to win or lose more playoff games is a drawback and should be thrown in a players face. I never said that was a drawback to Rondo.
This is one of my favorite dodges, very similar to the leading question political pundits love.
Is "generic Senator" an axe wielding cannibal? I'm not saying he is, I"m just asking the question. I never said it, I was just stating some facts.
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And if you want to get technical about it, Rondo lost 9 playoff games last year and lost 10 the year he won the championship. I thought the major criticism of CP3 was not going far enough in the playoffs. Rondo has lost bunches more playoff games than him.
I guess going far in the playoffs is a negative now?
If you say so. I am unsure where you read that. I guess pointless suspensions are a positive now?
Yeah but are you just being a hater to troll or something?
The thing that is most offensive about that post is that it is a direct affront to logic. The opportunity to win, and lose, more playoff games is apparently a drawback and an out of context stat that can be thrown in a players face. The respect paid to logic is the respect paid to future posts by said poster from this gentleman.
There is no instance of me saying that number of playoff losses make CP3 a better or worse player than Rondo.
I never once said that the opportunity to win or lose more playoff games is a drawback and should be thrown in a players face. I never said that was a drawback to Rondo.
This is one of my favorite dodges, very similar to the leading question political pundits love.
Is "generic Senator" an axe wielding cannibal? I'm not saying he is, I"m just asking the question.
Swing and a miss.
Why does your banner only have Pierce and Perkins on it? Are you saying they were more important to our title team than KG or Rondo?
Creating conclusions out of thin air is fun.
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History or not, any suspension would be pathetic. It wasn't a dirty move during a basketball play where somebody could get hurt. That's what suspensions are for. This was a scuffle. We see scuffles in the NBA (of varying severity) every month.
It wasn't even a KG elbow to the face after the play. It was a player getting in another player's face after the play. Definitely a fine, arguably an ejection, if it's a suspension the league is weaker than ever. Players react in the heat of the moment and emotions come out. As long as nobody is trying to start a fight (ie punches) I don't think it's a huge deal.
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History or not, any suspension would be pathetic. It wasn't a dirty move during a basketball play where somebody could get hurt. That's what suspensions are for. This was a scuffle. We see scuffles in the NBA (of varying severity) every month.
It wasn't a KG elbow to the face after the play. It was a player getting in another players face after the play. Definitely a fine, arguably an ejection, if it's a suspension the league is weaker than ever. Players react in the heat of the moment and emotions come out. As long as nobody is trying to start a fight (ie punches) I don't think it's a huge deal.
The NBA has gotten a quicker trigger on suspensions though.
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History or not, any suspension would be pathetic. It wasn't a dirty move during a basketball play where somebody could get hurt. That's what suspensions are for. This was a scuffle. We see scuffles in the NBA (of varying severity) every month.
It wasn't a KG elbow to the face after the play. It was a player getting in another players face after the play. Definitely a fine, arguably an ejection, if it's a suspension the league is weaker than ever. Players react in the heat of the moment and emotions come out. As long as nobody is trying to start a fight (ie punches) I don't think it's a huge deal.
The NBA has gotten a quicker trigger on suspensions though.
I get that, but we still don't see suspensions every time teams huddle up and shove back and forth. That's at least somewhat common, and if he does get suspension it's definitely the league setting an example because of his history. I don't think that's right.
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History or not, any suspension would be pathetic. It wasn't a dirty move during a basketball play where somebody could get hurt. That's what suspensions are for. This was a scuffle. We see scuffles in the NBA (of varying severity) every month.
It wasn't a KG elbow to the face after the play. It was a player getting in another players face after the play. Definitely a fine, arguably an ejection, if it's a suspension the league is weaker than ever. Players react in the heat of the moment and emotions come out. As long as nobody is trying to start a fight (ie punches) I don't think it's a huge deal.
The NBA has gotten a quicker trigger on suspensions though.
No reason to think the trigger is any quicker than in recent years other than jumping to that conclusion. We only have two suspensions for in game instances that I am aware of this year, Thomas Robinson (an elbow to the neck) and Demarcus Cousins (confronting Sean Elliott at the broadcast table).
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Chris Paul hasn't been suspended since college, at least according to this blog of NBA fines and suspensions.
http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/fines.html
Yes, I went there.
I guess we now know why he takes all those playoff losses so calmly.
I'd prefer that than getting suspended a game in the middle of a playoff series. Season is 82 games, playoff series is 4-7. Why get carried away during 1 game out of 82? Losing your cool doesn't help the cause in either situation.
Obviously you would. I'll go with the guy that plays through a dislocated elbow to win, even if he loses his cool on occasion.
And if you want to get technical about it, Rondo lost 9 playoff games last year and lost 10 the year he won the championship. I thought the major criticism of CP3 was not going far enough in the playoffs. Rondo has lost bunches more playoff games than him.
The Chris Paul conundrum. He hasn't been successful enough in the playoffs to lose as many games as Rondo. He certainly loses a much higher percentage of his games than Rondo, so you can see that the effort's there. Just not the wins.
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Chris Paul hasn't been suspended since college, at least according to this blog of NBA fines and suspensions.
http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/fines.html
Yes, I went there.
I guess we now know why he takes all those playoff losses so calmly.
I'd prefer that than getting suspended a game in the middle of a playoff series. Season is 82 games, playoff series is 4-7. Why get carried away during 1 game out of 82? Losing your cool doesn't help the cause in either situation.
Obviously you would. I'll go with the guy that plays through a dislocated elbow to win, even if he loses his cool on occasion.
And if you want to get technical about it, Rondo lost 9 playoff games last year and lost 10 the year he won the championship. I thought the major criticism of CP3 was not going far enough in the playoffs. Rondo has lost bunches more playoff games than him.
The Chris Paul conundrum. He hasn't been successful enough in the playoffs to lose as many games as Rondo. He certainly loses a much higher percentage of his games than Rondo, so you can see that the effort's there. Just not the wins.
There are plenty of reasons for that, like for instance having Vinny Del Negro as a coach instead of Doc Rivers or having 0 Hall of Fame teammates instead of 3.
Didn't the Celtics win the playoff game that Rondo was suspended for? What a horrible group of bums he carried past a mediocre Hawks and 76ers team.
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History or not, any suspension would be pathetic. It wasn't a dirty move during a basketball play where somebody could get hurt. That's what suspensions are for. This was a scuffle. We see scuffles in the NBA (of varying severity) every month.
It wasn't a KG elbow to the face after the play. It was a player getting in another players face after the play. Definitely a fine, arguably an ejection, if it's a suspension the league is weaker than ever. Players react in the heat of the moment and emotions come out. As long as nobody is trying to start a fight (ie punches) I don't think it's a huge deal.
The NBA has gotten a quicker trigger on suspensions though.
No reason to think the trigger is any quicker than in recent years other than jumping to that conclusion. We only have two suspensions for in game instances that I am aware of this year, Thomas Robinson (an elbow to the neck) and Demarcus Cousins (confronting Sean Elliott at the broadcast table).
I agree with this and on top of that, I'd hope that the NBA would look at how the lack of calls which allowed the Nets to play a very physical game without any repercussions. That is what led to the altercation. It took a hard foul to get a whistle and by then it was too late. You can't let one team get away with somewhat overly physical play and expect it not to get chippy. The NBA and Stern need to be real here, and take responsibility for allowing a game to get out of hand.
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Chris Paul hasn't been suspended since college, at least according to this blog of NBA fines and suspensions.
http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/fines.html
Yes, I went there.
I guess we now know why he takes all those playoff losses so calmly.
I'd prefer that than getting suspended a game in the middle of a playoff series. Season is 82 games, playoff series is 4-7. Why get carried away during 1 game out of 82? Losing your cool doesn't help the cause in either situation.
Obviously you would. I'll go with the guy that plays through a dislocated elbow to win, even if he loses his cool on occasion.
And if you want to get technical about it, Rondo lost 9 playoff games last year and lost 10 the year he won the championship. I thought the major criticism of CP3 was not going far enough in the playoffs. Rondo has lost bunches more playoff games than him.
The Chris Paul conundrum. He hasn't been successful enough in the playoffs to lose as many games as Rondo. He certainly loses a much higher percentage of his games than Rondo, so you can see that the effort's there. Just not the wins.
There are plenty of reasons for that, like for instance having Vinny Del Negro as a coach instead of Doc Rivers. Didn't the Celtics win the playoff game that Rondo was suspended for?
Can we just agree to make this subject its own thread? Really, I don't care about CP3 one iota, you brought him up, in a trollish fashion. Now can we let it go and talk logically about Rondo and a suspension?
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Back to subject.
He likely gets a game or two.
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Can we just agree to make this subject its own thread? Now can we let it go and talk logically about Rondo and a suspension?
I'd be glad to. In fact, I have several posts on this thread solely about the possibility of suspension. You'll note that all of BBallTim's posts on this thread are solely to sarcastically deride the Clippers point guard.
Actually, you responded to one of my posts that had no mention of CP3.
Regardless, to say on topic, I'd say that there's likely no suspension. One game at the most. There is little prior evidence to suggest this would get any more than that.
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History or not, any suspension would be pathetic. It wasn't a dirty move during a basketball play where somebody could get hurt. That's what suspensions are for. This was a scuffle. We see scuffles in the NBA (of varying severity) every month.
It wasn't even a KG elbow to the face after the play. It was a player getting in another player's face after the play. Definitely a fine, arguably an ejection, if it's a suspension the league is weaker than ever. Players react in the heat of the moment and emotions come out. As long as nobody is trying to start a fight (ie punches) I don't think it's a huge deal.
Rondo both shoved and punched Humphries.
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History or not, any suspension would be pathetic. It wasn't a dirty move during a basketball play where somebody could get hurt. That's what suspensions are for. This was a scuffle. We see scuffles in the NBA (of varying severity) every month.
It wasn't even a KG elbow to the face after the play. It was a player getting in another player's face after the play. Definitely a fine, arguably an ejection, if it's a suspension the league is weaker than ever. Players react in the heat of the moment and emotions come out. As long as nobody is trying to start a fight (ie punches) I don't think it's a huge deal.
Rondo both shoved and punched Humphries.
A punch is typically a 1 game suspension, sometimes 2.
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History or not, any suspension would be pathetic. It wasn't a dirty move during a basketball play where somebody could get hurt. That's what suspensions are for. This was a scuffle. We see scuffles in the NBA (of varying severity) every month.
It wasn't even a KG elbow to the face after the play. It was a player getting in another player's face after the play. Definitely a fine, arguably an ejection, if it's a suspension the league is weaker than ever. Players react in the heat of the moment and emotions come out. As long as nobody is trying to start a fight (ie punches) I don't think it's a huge deal.
Rondo both shoved and punched Humphries.
From 1/29/11:
The NBA suspended Marvin Williams (Atl) for 2 games and Shawne Williams(NY) for 1 game for their altercation during Friday's Atl-NY game where MWilliams threw 2 punches and SWilliams threw 1 punch.
That is the most recent incident I found of an NBA punch leading to a suspension.
Marvin had been suspended prior.
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In the Subject:
Hopéfully only 2
Out of subjet:
Our coach still stinks
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I'd say one, but because it went into the fans, there's a good chance he'll get two.
I don't think Rondo punched Humphries; it was more of a 'double-stiff-wristed-open-handed' slap to the face.
I think Gerald Wallace needs to be suspended longer, though. He just jumped right into it and attacked KG, who had done nothing at that point. KG didn't even fight back, he was just trying to grab Rondo. Same for Pierce, but Reggie Evans was grabbing him. I don't think Evans should get in trouble, but Wallace pulled an absolute bush league move on KG. Disgusting
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Suspension? I didn't even think anyone should have been ejected. I thought they should just hand out a couple of technicals and move on with the basketball game.
Marshall and Tanguay were driving me crazy during the post game almost begging for a big suspension for Rondo. What the heck is wrong with those two (particularly Marshall, that two-faced, good for nothing, rat-fink)?
The thing that befuddled me the most (if I'm being completely objective) is how did Gerald Wallace end up getting tossed and KG got to stay in the game?
In the end, it's much ado about nothing. I hope the league uses some common sense here.
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I'd say one, but because it went into the fans, there's a good chance he'll get two.
I don't think Rondo punched Humphries; it was more of a 'double-stiff-wristed-open-handed' slap to the face.
I think Gerald Wallace needs to be suspended longer, though. He just jumped right into it and attacked KG, who had done nothing at that point. KG didn't even fight back, he was just trying to grab Rondo. Same for Pierce, but Reggie Evans was grabbing him. I don't think Evans should get in trouble, but Wallace pulled an absolute bush league move on KG. Disgusting
That's actually a great point. It going into the fans may play a factor in a suspension decision. I'm still sticking with 0 or 1, but excellent point.
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I'd say one, but because it went into the fans, there's a good chance he'll get two.
I don't think Rondo punched Humphries; it was more of a 'double-stiff-wristed-open-handed' slap to the face.
I think Gerald Wallace needs to be suspended longer, though. He just jumped right into it and attacked KG, who had done nothing at that point. KG didn't even fight back, he was just trying to grab Rondo. Same for Pierce, but Reggie Evans was grabbing him. I don't think Evans should get in trouble, but Wallace pulled an absolute bush league move on KG. Disgusting
That's actually a great point. It going into the fans may play a factor in a suspension decision. I'm still sticking with 0 or 1, but excellent point.
I was in the Orlando game almost in that spot
If rondo and kg do that with me there I die of happiness
hug them and
and forgive their suspension
lol
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This is classic Rondo. Playing amazing ball then does something that makes everyone go 'ugh'.
This made me say "Yes!". No one can say he cared more about his assist streak than the team.
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I think Rondo gets at least a couple of games.
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This is classic Rondo. Playing amazing ball then does something that makes everyone go 'ugh'.
This made me say "Yes!". No one can say he cared more about his assist streak than the team.
I hadn't thought of that. Great point. Odd way for a record streak to end. Maybe he has another one in him later in his career.
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Can we just agree to make this subject its own thread? Now can we let it go and talk logically about Rondo and a suspension?
I'd be glad to. In fact, I have several posts on this thread solely about the possibility of suspension. You'll note that all of BBallTim's posts on this thread are solely to sarcastically deride the Clippers point guard.
To be fair, it wasn't all sarcastic.
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I'd say one, but because it went into the fans, there's a good chance he'll get two.
I don't think Rondo punched Humphries; it was more of a 'double-stiff-wristed-open-handed' slap to the face.
I think Gerald Wallace needs to be suspended longer, though. He just jumped right into it and attacked KG, who had done nothing at that point. KG didn't even fight back, he was just trying to grab Rondo. Same for Pierce, but Reggie Evans was grabbing him. I don't think Evans should get in trouble, but Wallace pulled an absolute bush league move on KG. Disgusting
That's actually a great point. It going into the fans may play a factor in a suspension decision. I'm still sticking with 0 or 1, but excellent point.
I think the Brawl at the Palace back in '04 wouldn't have been as bad had it not escalated any further than Artest and Wallace shoving each other; however, in that case, a fan really started it with Artest by throwing that soda at him.
Heck, remember when KG elbowed Q-Rich back in '10 against the Heat? That was right in front of the fans, too. Now, KG deserved that one, but still, the safety of the fans is a critical part when the league reviews scruffs like these.
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I'd say one, but because it went into the fans, there's a good chance he'll get two.
I don't think Rondo punched Humphries; it was more of a 'double-stiff-wristed-open-handed' slap to the face.
I think Gerald Wallace needs to be suspended longer, though. He just jumped right into it and attacked KG, who had done nothing at that point. KG didn't even fight back, he was just trying to grab Rondo. Same for Pierce, but Reggie Evans was grabbing him. I don't think Evans should get in trouble, but Wallace pulled an absolute bush league move on KG. Disgusting
That's actually a great point. It going into the fans may play a factor in a suspension decision. I'm still sticking with 0 or 1, but excellent point.
I think the Brawl at the Palace back in '04 wouldn't have been as bad had it not escalated any further than Artest and Wallace shoving each other; however, in that case, a fan really started it with Artest by throwing that soda at him.
Heck, remember when KG elbowed Q-Rich back in '10 against the Heat? That was right in front of the fans, too. Now, KG deserved that one, but still, the safety of the fans is a critical part when the league reviews scruffs like these.
Not to get off topic, again, but wow, what an amazing turn of events led to that Palace brawl. It was like several small instances had to go wrong and converge to create such a huge mess.
To quote a Grantland article:
"There were roughly half a dozen elements that caused that brawl to happen," says Mark Montieth, who covered the Pacers for the Indianapolis Star. "If Artest doesn't make that hard foul on Ben Wallace, it doesn't happen. If Ben Wallace doesn't react the way he did, it doesn't happen. If the referees control the situation, it doesn't happen. If Artest doesn't go lay down on that scorer's table, it doesn't happen. If the fan doesn't throw the beverage, it doesn't happen. There was a continuation there, a succession of things. You take away any one of them and the whole thing doesn't happen."
It was like a perfect storm.
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That Christmas Day game is gonna feature plenty of guys who deserve coal in their stockings! haha ;)
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That Christmas Day game is gonna feature plenty of guys who deserve coal in their stockings! haha ;)
Ha! What an inappropriate day for a rematch. TP.
I'm just disappointed that our rebounding is so bad that Brook Lopez got 10 rebounds against us!
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While we probably won't get the same result, we were 15-15 before Rondo's suspension last year, 24-10 after it. One can only hope.
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He'll get anywhere between 1 and 3
FYI this was a brawl not a pushing match.
Even though I absolutely love seeing rondo show his aggression, this was a dumb thing to do. Or it wasn't. Not sure. The way he pushed Kris way back to the point where he was behind the hoop, out of the cameras view and surrounded by tall players before he threw his punch (which itself was thrown pretty stealthily) was kind of smart. Maybe we need a couple more games without our feisty point guard to gel offensively.
Its even possible that this is going to make him play even harder when he gets back. Rondo likes attention, maybe he wanted eyes on him so he can justify playing hard.
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To me, this shows how much Rondo truly cared about that assist streak...he didn't.
I'm sure it would have been something great to surpass, but it's over and done with now. He did what he did, the streak is done. He knew what he was doing and it was great. He stuck up for his teammate. If the streak was the first thing on his mind, he would have not done what he did.
Props to Rondo.
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Well, this is just great:
I am not sure if we can post this pics here,.will be checked
Just another reason to give Rondo a lengthy suspension. Ugh
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Well, this is just great:
edited....waiting ...
Just another reason to give Rondo a lengthy suspension. Ugh
man KH is a bleeping wuss. I have worse scratches from my pair of cats. I have less respect for him posting that photo. Yeah Kris, you have such a hard life! Now I really want the C's to just destroy them next time.
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So glad this finally happened. Enter the Bad Boy Celtics.
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To me, this shows how much Rondo truly cared about that assist streak...he didn't.
I'm sure it would have been something great to surpass, but it's over and done with now. He did what he did, the streak is done. He knew what he was doing and it was great. He stuck up for his teammate. If the streak was the first thing on his mind, he would have not done what he did.
Props to Rondo.
and maybe Rondo knows more about KG motivation than Doc, and I am just saying Maybe... but well I will be propper and say that was unnecesary all the way
maybe a little couple of words could have been enough in this scenario
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Well, this is just great:
still edited... please....
Just another reason to give Rondo a lengthy suspension. Ugh
I don't think he should have done that at all. I think he should have just not said anything about it.
Rondo most likely will get suspended now because it's not looking good for him and the media will go in on him about this like they are tonight.
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No idea what Stern will do.
My opinion:
No way on earth does anything that happened warrant a suspension, for either team.
THERE WAS NO PUNCH THROWN BY RONDO.
If anyone actually thinks there was a punch, I'm guessing you've either never thrown one, nor received one. It was a push, point blank.
Personally, I loved how Rondo stood up for KG. That is a dude I would want on my side every day of the week and twice on Sunday's.
One last point, Donnie Marshall is a wimpy piece of trash. FIRE HIM NOW!
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I'd say one, but because it went into the fans, there's a good chance he'll get two.
I don't think Rondo punched Humphries; it was more of a 'double-stiff-wristed-open-handed' slap to the face.
I think Gerald Wallace needs to be suspended longer, though. He just jumped right into it and attacked KG, who had done nothing at that point. KG didn't even fight back, he was just trying to grab Rondo. Same for Pierce, but Reggie Evans was grabbing him. I don't think Evans should get in trouble, but Wallace pulled an absolute bush league move on KG. Disgusting
That's actually a great point. It going into the fans may play a factor in a suspension decision. I'm still sticking with 0 or 1, but excellent point.
I was in the Orlando game almost in that spot
If rondo and kg do that with me there I die of happiness
hug them and
and forgive their suspension
lol
I was in section 101 row C, would have had a great view of the fight, not on the floor though - wife and I said the same thing though, we would have cheered on brave gladiator Rondo as he faced and bested Mr. Kardasian in mortal combat.
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History or not, any suspension would be pathetic. It wasn't a dirty move during a basketball play where somebody could get hurt. That's what suspensions are for. This was a scuffle. We see scuffles in the NBA (of varying severity) every month.
It wasn't even a KG elbow to the face after the play. It was a player getting in another player's face after the play. Definitely a fine, arguably an ejection, if it's a suspension the league is weaker than ever. Players react in the heat of the moment and emotions come out. As long as nobody is trying to start a fight (ie punches) I don't think it's a huge deal.
Rondo both shoved and punched Humphries.
From 1/29/11:
The NBA suspended Marvin Williams (Atl) for 2 games and Shawne Williams(NY) for 1 game for their altercation during Friday's Atl-NY game where MWilliams threw 2 punches and SWilliams threw 1 punch.
That is the most recent incident I found of an NBA punch leading to a suspension.
Marvin had been suspended prior.
Interesting. Before reading this, I was going to say that there is now way Rondo gets less than three games.
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I'd say one, but because it went into the fans, there's a good chance he'll get two.
I don't think Rondo punched Humphries; it was more of a 'double-stiff-wristed-open-handed' slap to the face.
I think Gerald Wallace needs to be suspended longer, though. He just jumped right into it and attacked KG, who had done nothing at that point. KG didn't even fight back, he was just trying to grab Rondo. Same for Pierce, but Reggie Evans was grabbing him. I don't think Evans should get in trouble, but Wallace pulled an absolute bush league move on KG. Disgusting
That's actually a great point. It going into the fans may play a factor in a suspension decision. I'm still sticking with 0 or 1, but excellent point.
I still think there is no way he gets less than three. The only thing that holds me back from that is the post above about the Williams suspension.
I also agree that Wallace should get at least one for his part. He went in looking to fight, you could see the expression on KGs face go,"get off me im going to get Rondo." And my favorite part of the clip is when Doc comes up to Wallace with the puzzled expression pushes him back and basically says, "What are you doin?"
Regardless, what a dumb move by Rondo. The only reason he did this was because Humphries blocked him a few plays prior. I love the fact of sticking up for your teammate. But this was just an overblown punk move and to be missing Rondo is not what the Celtics need at all right now.
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Anyone else notice Donnys immediate reaction? Clapping, laughing, and gloating about the scrum? Then at the post game he did a complete 180 and derided the whole thing? Can we please send this guy to Miami now, to carry Ray Allens bag of balls?
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I'd say one, but because it went into the fans, there's a good chance he'll get two.
I don't think Rondo punched Humphries; it was more of a 'double-stiff-wristed-open-handed' slap to the face.
I think Gerald Wallace needs to be suspended longer, though. He just jumped right into it and attacked KG, who had done nothing at that point. KG didn't even fight back, he was just trying to grab Rondo. Same for Pierce, but Reggie Evans was grabbing him. I don't think Evans should get in trouble, but Wallace pulled an absolute bush league move on KG. Disgusting
That's actually a great point. It going into the fans may play a factor in a suspension decision. I'm still sticking with 0 or 1, but excellent point.
I still think there is no way he gets less than three. The only thing that holds me back from that is the post above about the Williams suspension.
I also agree that Wallace should get at least one for his part. He went in looking to fight, you could see the expression on KGs face go,"get off me im going to get Rondo." And my favorite part of the clip is when Doc comes up to Wallace with the puzzled expression pushes him back and basically says, "What are you doin?"
Regardless, what a dumb move by Rondo. The only reason he did this was because Humphries blocked him a few plays prior. I love the fact of sticking up for your teammate. But this was just an overblown punk move and to be missing Rondo is not what the Celtics need at all right now.
How do you know what Rondo's motive was? Seriously, how can you just throw that out there?
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Haven't read the thread yet, but I really don't see any suspensions coming from this, unless I really missed something. I think it was just a shoving match, that looked worse than it was, because of where it was on the court (going into the crowd), and the pig pile that resulted. No punches or elbows thrown, just Rondo pushing Kardashian, and Kardashian going back to his Minnesota roots, and trying to pull Rondo's hockey jersey over his head. They paid the price with the ejections. No need for more.
As for being a dumb move by Rondo...yeah, it was. But I also think it was a calculated move by a guy who is trying to be a leader on a team that needed a spark. This game had gotten rough, and Rondo saw a chance to show his teammates that he is willing to fight for them. Not a great idea for a guy you need on the court. But at least he sees that something needs to happen to light a fire under this team.
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I think at least 3-5 based on:
1.Rondo's history
2.Rondo was the aggressor
3.it could be perceived (and was by many) that Rondo threw at least one punch
4.The incident went into the stands. I saw one clip where a little kid look awfully scared.
The fact that it went into the stands makes this rise to a different level of scrutiny.
I think the league comes down hard on this. (Hoping I am wrong.)
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This day and age you just cant do this but to me..its basketball. Everyone following and in this league are soft. As if Larry bird never started a scrum or had a great attitude....much worse ones actually but he was allowed to stay in and compete and no doubt in my mind rondo would've taken over the game if they just let them play. Hope no one is on some moral high horse. Rondo detractors are thrilled.....
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Anyone else notice Donnys immediate reaction? Clapping, laughing, and gloating about the scrum? Then at the post game he did a complete 180 and derided the whole thing? Can we please send this guy to Miami now, to carry Ray Allens bag of balls?
Miami is too good for him. How about send him to cover the rugby league in Afganistan?
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I'd say one, but because it went into the fans, there's a good chance he'll get two.
I don't think Rondo punched Humphries; it was more of a 'double-stiff-wristed-open-handed' slap to the face.
I think Gerald Wallace needs to be suspended longer, though. He just jumped right into it and attacked KG, who had done nothing at that point. KG didn't even fight back, he was just trying to grab Rondo. Same for Pierce, but Reggie Evans was grabbing him. I don't think Evans should get in trouble, but Wallace pulled an absolute bush league move on KG. Disgusting
That's actually a great point. It going into the fans may play a factor in a suspension decision. I'm still sticking with 0 or 1, but excellent point.
I still think there is no way he gets less than three. The only thing that holds me back from that is the post above about the Williams suspension.
I also agree that Wallace should get at least one for his part. He went in looking to fight, you could see the expression on KGs face go,"get off me im going to get Rondo." And my favorite part of the clip is when Doc comes up to Wallace with the puzzled expression pushes him back and basically says, "What are you doin?"
Regardless, what a dumb move by Rondo. The only reason he did this was because Humphries blocked him a few plays prior. I love the fact of sticking up for your teammate. But this was just an overblown punk move and to be missing Rondo is not what the Celtics need at all right now.
How do you know what Rondo's motive was? Seriously, how can you just throw that out there?
He's pulling a felger, who said on Sports tonight that Rondo knew the Streak was likely over (since he had 3 assists at the time) and got himself tossed so he could say "well i would have broken it but.."
Mike is a moron.
As to the suspension, I'm thinking 5 at least, because SC is doing nothing but playing footage of that scared kid they almost trampled and calling it a "scary moment" where they "brawled in the stands!"
you know how stern feels about any kind of interaction with the crowd, and Rondo has a history.
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I'd say one, but because it went into the fans, there's a good chance he'll get two.
I don't think Rondo punched Humphries; it was more of a 'double-stiff-wristed-open-handed' slap to the face.
I think Gerald Wallace needs to be suspended longer, though. He just jumped right into it and attacked KG, who had done nothing at that point. KG didn't even fight back, he was just trying to grab Rondo. Same for Pierce, but Reggie Evans was grabbing him. I don't think Evans should get in trouble, but Wallace pulled an absolute bush league move on KG. Disgusting
That's actually a great point. It going into the fans may play a factor in a suspension decision. I'm still sticking with 0 or 1, but excellent point.
I still think there is no way he gets less than three. The only thing that holds me back from that is the post above about the Williams suspension.
I also agree that Wallace should get at least one for his part. He went in looking to fight, you could see the expression on KGs face go,"get off me im going to get Rondo." And my favorite part of the clip is when Doc comes up to Wallace with the puzzled expression pushes him back and basically says, "What are you doin?"
Regardless, what a dumb move by Rondo. The only reason he did this was because Humphries blocked him a few plays prior. I love the fact of sticking up for your teammate. But this was just an overblown punk move and to be missing Rondo is not what the Celtics need at all right now.
How do you know what Rondo's motive was? Seriously, how can you just throw that out there?
Why else would he push Humphries out of the way? You could just tell he didnt like that Humphries made that play on him, and then fell ontop of him afterwards. Im sure there were some words exchanged there. Then he got his chance to "get him back" so to speak. Unnecessary fould by Humphries but I dont think it was "dirty" or in any wya warranted a push into the stands. (Even though I cant stand him and as a rondo fan he got what he deserved).
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I'd say one, but because it went into the fans, there's a good chance he'll get two.
I don't think Rondo punched Humphries; it was more of a 'double-stiff-wristed-open-handed' slap to the face.
I think Gerald Wallace needs to be suspended longer, though. He just jumped right into it and attacked KG, who had done nothing at that point. KG didn't even fight back, he was just trying to grab Rondo. Same for Pierce, but Reggie Evans was grabbing him. I don't think Evans should get in trouble, but Wallace pulled an absolute bush league move on KG. Disgusting
That's actually a great point. It going into the fans may play a factor in a suspension decision. I'm still sticking with 0 or 1, but excellent point.
I still think there is no way he gets less than three. The only thing that holds me back from that is the post above about the Williams suspension.
I also agree that Wallace should get at least one for his part. He went in looking to fight, you could see the expression on KGs face go,"get off me im going to get Rondo." And my favorite part of the clip is when Doc comes up to Wallace with the puzzled expression pushes him back and basically says, "What are you doin?"
Regardless, what a dumb move by Rondo. The only reason he did this was because Humphries blocked him a few plays prior. I love the fact of sticking up for your teammate. But this was just an overblown punk move and to be missing Rondo is not what the Celtics need at all right now.
How do you know what Rondo's motive was? Seriously, how can you just throw that out there?
He's pulling a felger, who said on Sports tonight that Rondo knew the Streak was likely over (since he had 3 assists at the time) and got himself tossed so he could say "well i would have broken it but.."
Mike is a moron.
As to the suspension, I'm thinking 5 at least, because SC is doing nothing but playing footage of that scared kid they almost trampled and calling it a "scary moment" where they "brawled in the stands!"
you know how stern feels about any kind of interaction with the crowd, and Rondo has a history.
Felger isn't a moron, he is a contrarian.
As for the suspension, has there ever been a suspension anywhere close to that, when no punches were thrown?
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Why else would he push Humphries out of the way?
Because Humphries just gave (what looked like) a hard foul on his teammate? Like I said before, I do think it was calculated by Rondo, to try to get his teammates fired up. But I don't think had anything to do with a block from earlier in the game.
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No idea what Stern will do.
My opinion:
No way on earth does anything that happened warrant a suspension, for either team.
THERE WAS NO PUNCH THROWN BY RONDO.
If anyone actually thinks there was a punch, I'm guessing you've either never thrown one, nor received one. It was a push, point blank.
Personally, I loved how Rondo stood up for KG. That is a dude I would want on my side every day of the week and twice on Sunday's.
One last point, Donnie Marshall is a wimpy piece of trash. FIRE HIM NOW!
I don't know where you guys are getting this. Most of the announcers and reporters who were at the game said Rondo clearly threw a punch and probably two punches. He will get suspended for a minimum of 3 games and deserves it. Some day he will grow up and become a real leader on this team. Then again, maybe not.
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Anyone else notice Donnys immediate reaction? Clapping, laughing, and gloating about the scrum? Then at the post game he did a complete 180 and derided the whole thing? Can we please send this guy to Miami now, to carry Ray Allens bag of balls?
I was going to write something about that. His whole attitude change right after the commerical at half time. I can only assume someone gave him an earful about cheering on that behavior. Personally I'm okay with Rondo's pushing the guy. I don't believe he thought about it. People get caught up in the emotion of the game and he was defending a team mate.
Once again I see the woosafication of the NBA. Sorry but I didn't see anything so bad. Some pushing and shoving. Give out some fouls, tell them to cut the crap, and move on.
The league is a joke. Can't touch a guy at half court and it not a foul. Let them play. I don't turn on the game to watch a free throw shooting contest, of which Pierce would have lost badly, but I digress.
Really, I know I'm old school, but the fouls, techs, over refing are killing the game. Sorry for the rant, but I remember McHale taking down Rambus and he receive a foul. End story. Nothing that bad happened last night.
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I'd say one, but because it went into the fans, there's a good chance he'll get two.
I don't think Rondo punched Humphries; it was more of a 'double-stiff-wristed-open-handed' slap to the face.
I think Gerald Wallace needs to be suspended longer, though. He just jumped right into it and attacked KG, who had done nothing at that point. KG didn't even fight back, he was just trying to grab Rondo. Same for Pierce, but Reggie Evans was grabbing him. I don't think Evans should get in trouble, but Wallace pulled an absolute bush league move on KG. Disgusting
That's actually a great point. It going into the fans may play a factor in a suspension decision. I'm still sticking with 0 or 1, but excellent point.
I still think there is no way he gets less than three. The only thing that holds me back from that is the post above about the Williams suspension.
I also agree that Wallace should get at least one for his part. He went in looking to fight, you could see the expression on KGs face go,"get off me im going to get Rondo." And my favorite part of the clip is when Doc comes up to Wallace with the puzzled expression pushes him back and basically says, "What are you doin?"
Regardless, what a dumb move by Rondo. The only reason he did this was because Humphries blocked him a few plays prior. I love the fact of sticking up for your teammate. But this was just an overblown punk move and to be missing Rondo is not what the Celtics need at all right now.
How do you know what Rondo's motive was? Seriously, how can you just throw that out there?
He's pulling a felger, who said on Sports tonight that Rondo knew the Streak was likely over (since he had 3 assists at the time) and got himself tossed so he could say "well i would have broken it but.."
Mike is a moron.
As to the suspension, I'm thinking 5 at least, because SC is doing nothing but playing footage of that scared kid they almost trampled and calling it a "scary moment" where they "brawled in the stands!"
you know how stern feels about any kind of interaction with the crowd, and Rondo has a history.
Felger isn't a moron, he is a contrarian.
As for the suspension, has there ever been a suspension anywhere close to that, when no punches were thrown?
Yea, I get that being the boston version of skip bayless is felger's gimmick, but inventing a vast conspiracy where rondo decided to go out and get himself tossed because he though it would preserve the streak is moronic.
Well, alot of people are claiming there was a punch thrown. and If the NBA agrees that the little half shove towards hump's face was a punch, then i predict a slightly less sever punishment for the knicks nuggets brawl.
Considering Nate, who pretty much played the rondo roll in that one pre carmelo cheap shots, got 10 and 6 respectively, I don't think 5 is so outrageous given Rondo's discipline history.
I hope I'm wrong and It's 1 or none, but 5 wouldn't shock me in the slightest.
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I think he may get 1 game suspension.
Also I wish they will stop calling it a brawl. He didn't punch him, he pushed him into the stands (I find it interesting how he pushed a much taller and bigger person that hard).
Yeah, Rondo getting his jersey pulled off by Humphries tells the story about how he ended in the stands.
I've watched the video a hand full of times, and I think the major source of Rondo getting his jersey pulled off is Pierce desperately trying to pull Rondo off of him.
As far as the suspension, I'm guessing 5-7 games based off a past history, plus it escalating to the stands.
And I'm kinda fine with it. Humphries push to Garnett's shoulder is a dirty move, and it very easily could've resulted in a serious injury. In my mind, it's a step above putting your foot under a jump shooter.
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Anyone else notice Donnys immediate reaction? Clapping, laughing, and gloating about the scrum? Then at the post game he did a complete 180 and derided the whole thing? Can we please send this guy to Miami now, to carry Ray Allens bag of balls?
I was going to write something about that. His whole attitude change right after the commerical at half time. I can only assume someone gave him an earful about cheering on that behavior. Personally I'm okay with Rondo's pushing the guy. I don't believe he thought about it. People get caught up in the emotion of the game and he was defending a team mate.
Once again I see the woosafication of the NBA. Sorry but I didn't see anything so bad. Some pushing and shoving. Give out some fouls, tell them to cut the crap, and move on.
The league is a joke. Can't touch a guy at half court and it not a foul. Let them play. I don't turn on the game to watch a free throw shooting contest, of which Pierce would have lost badly, but I digress.
Really, I know I'm old school, but the fouls, techs, over refing are killing the game. Sorry for the rant, but I remember McHale taking down Rambus and he receive a foul. End story. Nothing that bad happened last night.
I don't think I am particularly blood thirsty, but I am old school, too. The refs and rules are really ruining my enjoyment of the game, to the point where after being a 50 year fan, I am almost ready to quit on basketball. I say 0 suspensions...ejections were enough. They all left the court with no problem after receiving it.
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Here is what I don't get. Rajon Rondo 100 percent initiates an altercation that ends up in the stands putting fans, and in one case a little kid in harms way, and it seems there are many on this blog who don't think Rondo deserves a suspension. This thing ended up in the crowd and some people could have really gotten hurt. What am I missing?
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Yea, I get that being the boston version of skip bayless is felger's gimmick, but inventing a vast conspiracy where rondo decided to go out and get himself tossed because he though it would preserve the streak is moronic.
Well, alot of people are claiming there was a punch thrown. and If the NBA agrees that the little half shove towards hump's face was a punch, then i predict a slightly less sever punishment for the knicks nuggets brawl.
Considering Nate, who pretty much played the rondo roll in that one pre carmelo cheap shots, got 10 and 6 respectively, I don't think 5 is so outrageous given Rondo's discipline history.
I hope I'm wrong and It's 1 or none, but 5 wouldn't shock me in the slightest.
I think 5 to 10 games because David Stern will want to show Adam Silver how it's done.
I guess this is one way to solve the minutes issue for the guards.
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Anyone else notice Donnys immediate reaction? Clapping, laughing, and gloating about the scrum? Then at the post game he did a complete 180 and derided the whole thing? Can we please send this guy to Miami now, to carry Ray Allens bag of balls?
I was going to write something about that. His whole attitude change right after the commerical at half time. I can only assume someone gave him an earful about cheering on that behavior. Personally I'm okay with Rondo's pushing the guy. I don't believe he thought about it. People get caught up in the emotion of the game and he was defending a team mate.
Once again I see the woosafication of the NBA. Sorry but I didn't see anything so bad. Some pushing and shoving. Give out some fouls, tell them to cut the crap, and move on.
The league is a joke. Can't touch a guy at half court and it not a foul. Let them play. I don't turn on the game to watch a free throw shooting contest, of which Pierce would have lost badly, but I digress.
Really, I know I'm old school, but the fouls, techs, over refing are killing the game. Sorry for the rant, but I remember McHale taking down Rambus and he receive a foul. End story. Nothing that bad happened last night.
I don't think I am particularly blood thirsty, but I am old school, too. The refs and rules are really ruining my enjoyment of the game, to the point where after being a 50 year fan, I am almost ready to quit on basketball. I say 0 suspensions...ejections were enough. They all left the court with no problem after receiving it.
I agree with both of you. I mean the fact that we are discussing suspensions when there wasn't even a punch thrown is ridiculous. I mean i saw a lot of pushing, shoving, scratching, possibly biting but come on..
Can we bring back the old NBA where there was less flopping and guys knew if they wanted to talk all day they'd have to back it up. It held everyone more accountable. Ya you could take liberties with someone, but after it was expected that you had to keep your head on a swivel because someone would always even the score.
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Here is what I don't get. Rajon Rondo 100 percent initiates an altercation that ends up in the stands putting fans, and in one case a little kid in harms way, and it seems there are many on this blog who don't think Rondo deserves a suspension. This thing ended up in the crowd and some people could have really gotten hurt. What am I missing?
Ya, come to think of it - you're 100% right, Vinnie
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EDIT: Check PM's.
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Here is what I don't get. Rajon Rondo 100 percent initiates an altercation that ends up in the stands putting fans, and in one case a little kid in harms way, and it seems there are many on this blog who don't think Rondo deserves a suspension. This thing ended up in the crowd and some people could have really gotten hurt. What am I missing?
Its a good point. And if he is suspended, this will be why. But I just am having a hard time comparing this with fights where actual punches were thrown. I think if this happened in the middle of the court, there wouldn't even be much of a chance of suspension. But because of where it happened, and the NBA's focus on keeping things safe for the fans, I can definitely see the argument for him getting a suspension.
But I still would be shocked if its any more than maybe 2-3 games max. I hear the comparisons to the Knicks fight a few years ago, where long suspensions were given out, but that was a much more intense situation with a lot of punches thrown, and a lot more escalation.
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He absolutely deserves and will get a suspension. I'll be happy if it's just 5 games. There is a precedent already of a 10-game suspension for fighting in the stands -- not to mention that he threw a closed-fist punch.
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Here is what I don't get. Rajon Rondo 100 percent initiates an altercation that ends up in the stands putting fans, and in one case a little kid in harms way, and it seems there are many on this blog who don't think Rondo deserves a suspension. This thing ended up in the crowd and some people could have really gotten hurt. What am I missing?
Ya, come to think of it - you're 100% right, Vinnie
Old School Basketball maybe?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO8iXi6092Y
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Here is what I don't get. Rajon Rondo 100 percent initiates an altercation that ends up in the stands putting fans, and in one case a little kid in harms way, and it seems there are many on this blog who don't think Rondo deserves a suspension. This thing ended up in the crowd and some people could have really gotten hurt. What am I missing?
Ya, come to think of it - you're 100% right, Vinnie
Old School Basketball maybe?
Clearly two different eras.
I'm not coming at the alter of justice, pleading you to think of the children; I'm just saying based on the actions he took in the modern NBA that a lengthy suspension should be expected.
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Here is what I don't get. Rajon Rondo 100 percent initiates an altercation that ends up in the stands putting fans, and in one case a little kid in harms way, and it seems there are many on this blog who don't think Rondo deserves a suspension. This thing ended up in the crowd and some people could have really gotten hurt. What am I missing?
Okay logic then - if you sit court side, you have to accept the fact that you may have a player land on you. Two dudes tussling in the stands is no different than a player diving for a ball. Or should we start fining players for hustling for balls now?
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He absolutely deserves and will get a suspension. I'll be happy if it's just 5 games. There is a precedent already of a 10-game suspension for fighting in the stands -- not to mention that he threw a closed-fist punch.
Wait, he threw a closed fist punch? I never saw that. Is there good footage of that?
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Here is what I don't get. Rajon Rondo 100 percent initiates an altercation that ends up in the stands putting fans, and in one case a little kid in harms way, and it seems there are many on this blog who don't think Rondo deserves a suspension. This thing ended up in the crowd and some people could have really gotten hurt. What am I missing?
Ya, come to think of it - you're 100% right, Vinnie
Old School Basketball maybe?
Clearly two different eras.
I'm not coming at the alter of justice, pleading you to think of the children; I'm just saying based on the actions he took in the modern NBA that a lengthy suspension should be expected.
Well if Bynums near decapitation of a prone and miniscule JJ Barea got him seven games then it should be a lot less than that. Two MAX.
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Here is what I don't get. Rajon Rondo 100 percent initiates an altercation that ends up in the stands putting fans, and in one case a little kid in harms way, and it seems there are many on this blog who don't think Rondo deserves a suspension. This thing ended up in the crowd and some people could have really gotten hurt. What am I missing?
Ya, come to think of it - you're 100% right, Vinnie
Old School Basketball maybe?
Clearly two different eras.
I'm not coming at the alter of justice, pleading you to think of the children; I'm just saying based on the actions he took in the modern NBA that a lengthy suspension should be expected.
Well if Bynums near decapitation of a prone and miniscule JJ Barea got him seven games then it should be a lot less than that. Two MAX.
I'll bet you a handsome sum it's more than two.
Personally, I think Bynum's is MUCH worse. But the NBA is a business, and they clearly have a problem with altercations ending up in the stands.
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Here is what I don't get. Rajon Rondo 100 percent initiates an altercation that ends up in the stands putting fans, and in one case a little kid in harms way, and it seems there are many on this blog who don't think Rondo deserves a suspension. This thing ended up in the crowd and some people could have really gotten hurt. What am I missing?
Ya, come to think of it - you're 100% right, Vinnie
Old School Basketball maybe?
Clearly two different eras.
I'm not coming at the alter of justice, pleading you to think of the children; I'm just saying based on the actions he took in the modern NBA that a lengthy suspension should be expected.
Well if Bynums near decapitation of a prone and miniscule JJ Barea got him seven games then it should be a lot less than that. Two MAX.
That was on the court. The rules change the minute any kind of alteration gets in among the crowd.
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Jackie M. ripping Rondo for his immaturity and lack of control and ripping the team big time on WEEI right now.
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Jackie M. ripping Rondo for his immaturity and lack of control and ripping the team big time on WEEI right now.
I respect Jackie immensely, but I don't think Rondo lost control at all. I think he did exactly what he meant to do. I don't think he expected it to end up in the stands the way it did though.
I think Rondo thought he would push Kardashian, he would fight back, they would get a couple technicals, and it would be done. But it got out of hand.
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Here is what I don't get. Rajon Rondo 100 percent initiates an altercation that ends up in the stands putting fans, and in one case a little kid in harms way, and it seems there are many on this blog who don't think Rondo deserves a suspension. This thing ended up in the crowd and some people could have really gotten hurt. What am I missing?
Ya, come to think of it - you're 100% right, Vinnie
Old School Basketball maybe?
Clearly two different eras.
I'm not coming at the alter of justice, pleading you to think of the children; I'm just saying based on the actions he took in the modern NBA that a lengthy suspension should be expected.
Well if Bynums near decapitation of a prone and miniscule JJ Barea got him seven games then it should be a lot less than that. Two MAX.
That was on the court. The rules change the minute any kind of alteration gets in among the crowd.
Then that suspension needs to be equal between both players, because it most certainly would not have ended up there if Mr. Kardashian hadn't grabbed Rajon's jersey. And I know if I'm in a fight, a shirt grab is a prerequisite to a punch or being pulled to the ground.
I think the media is blowing this thing out of proportion which will cause the suspension to be heavier. When it happened, suspension didn't even cross my mind. But that's what I get for being raised on 80's Celtics basketball. I think three games is realistic, but still excessive.
I'm really worried about this game.
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I'd say one, but because it went into the fans, there's a good chance he'll get two.
I don't think Rondo punched Humphries; it was more of a 'double-stiff-wristed-open-handed' slap to the face.
I think Gerald Wallace needs to be suspended longer, though. He just jumped right into it and attacked KG, who had done nothing at that point. KG didn't even fight back, he was just trying to grab Rondo. Same for Pierce, but Reggie Evans was grabbing him. I don't think Evans should get in trouble, but Wallace pulled an absolute bush league move on KG. Disgusting
That's actually a great point. It going into the fans may play a factor in a suspension decision. I'm still sticking with 0 or 1, but excellent point.
I think the Brawl at the Palace back in '04 wouldn't have been as bad had it not escalated any further than Artest and Wallace shoving each other; however, in that case, a fan really started it with Artest by throwing that soda at him.
Heck, remember when KG elbowed Q-Rich back in '10 against the Heat? That was right in front of the fans, too. Now, KG deserved that one, but still, the safety of the fans is a critical part when the league reviews scruffs like these.
Safety of the fans? The most dangerous thing that can happen is losing their soda and fries.
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I'd say one, but because it went into the fans, there's a good chance he'll get two.
I don't think Rondo punched Humphries; it was more of a 'double-stiff-wristed-open-handed' slap to the face.
I think Gerald Wallace needs to be suspended longer, though. He just jumped right into it and attacked KG, who had done nothing at that point. KG didn't even fight back, he was just trying to grab Rondo. Same for Pierce, but Reggie Evans was grabbing him. I don't think Evans should get in trouble, but Wallace pulled an absolute bush league move on KG. Disgusting
That's actually a great point. It going into the fans may play a factor in a suspension decision. I'm still sticking with 0 or 1, but excellent point.
I think the Brawl at the Palace back in '04 wouldn't have been as bad had it not escalated any further than Artest and Wallace shoving each other; however, in that case, a fan really started it with Artest by throwing that soda at him.
Heck, remember when KG elbowed Q-Rich back in '10 against the Heat? That was right in front of the fans, too. Now, KG deserved that one, but still, the safety of the fans is a critical part when the league reviews scruffs like these.
Safety of the fans? The most dangerous thing that can happen is losing their soda and fries.
That's like 47 dollars worth of food gone to waste!
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Jackie M. ripping Rondo for his immaturity and lack of control and ripping the team big time on WEEI right now.
Shes a rondo detractor....period. has been for a while. Shes one of those he plays with 3 hall of fakers doesn't count kinds frauds...shes clueless nowadays if you ask me
As if her hero bird didn't engage in shoving matches...waaaaaaah here's a tissue Jackie you've gone soft
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Safety of the fans? The most dangerous thing that can happen is losing their soda and fries.
How do you figure? When 200 pound guys are pushing and shoving and falling down, how is there not a potential of physical danger to fans?
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Jackie M. ripping Rondo for his immaturity and lack of control and ripping the team big time on WEEI right now.
Shes a rondo detractor....period.
As if her hero bird didn't engage in shoving matches
To quote Bill Belichick, "Do business as business is being done."
Shoving was ok in Birds day, its not anymore therefor the bird thing doesnt really hold too much water with me.
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Jackie M. ripping Rondo for his immaturity and lack of control and ripping the team big time on WEEI right now.
Shes a rondo detractor....period.
As if her hero bird didn't engage in shoving matches
To quote Bill Belichick, "Do business as business is being done."
Shoving was ok in Birds day, its not anymore therefor the bird thing doesnt really hold too much water with me.
Agreed actually just she needs to get off her moral high horse..pleeeease. he made a mistake...shes a rondo detractor and rondo detractors couldn't be more pleased with this oppurtunity to jump all over him and call him immature
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Jackie M. ripping Rondo for his immaturity and lack of control and ripping the team big time on WEEI right now.
Shes a rondo detractor....period. has been for a while. Shes one of those he plays with 3 hall of fakers doesn't count kinds frauds...shes clueless nowadays if you ask me
As if her hero bird didn't engage in shoving matches...waaaaaaah here's a tissue Jackie you've gone soft
Actually, I thought her piece on Rondo last year was actually defending him quite a bit, while still being honest about his quirks.
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Safety of the fans? The most dangerous thing that can happen is losing their soda and fries.
How do you figure? When 200 pound guys are pushing and shoving and falling down, how is there not a potential of physical danger to fans?
Again, someone tell me how that is any different that diving into the stands for a loose ball? I think if you sit court side, there is some personal responsibility involved. Take care of yourself and be aware and ready to take care of someone a little more fragile if need be. Fighting, hustle plays, tripping, heck - even a ball can mess up a fan. Of course if you get hit by a ball, Kevin Durant might come and give you a kiss.
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Here is what I don't get. Rajon Rondo 100 percent initiates an altercation that ends up in the stands putting fans, and in one case a little kid in harms way, and it seems there are many on this blog who don't think Rondo deserves a suspension. This thing ended up in the crowd and some people could have really gotten hurt. What am I missing?
Ya, come to think of it - you're 100% right, Vinnie
Old School Basketball maybe?
Clearly two different eras.
I'm not coming at the alter of justice, pleading you to think of the children; I'm just saying based on the actions he took in the modern NBA that a lengthy suspension should be expected.
Well if Bynums near decapitation of a prone and miniscule JJ Barea got him seven games then it should be a lot less than that. Two MAX.
I'll bet you a handsome sum it's more than two.
Personally, I think Bynum's is MUCH worse. But the NBA is a business, and they clearly have a problem with altercations ending up in the stands.
I agree on both counts. Bynums shot being a heck of a lot worse. And the fact most likely it will be more than two games. I don't think thats right however. One or two is more deserved.
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Safety of the fans? The most dangerous thing that can happen is losing their soda and fries.
How do you figure? When 200 pound guys are pushing and shoving and falling down, how is there not a potential of physical danger to fans?
Again, someone tell me how that is any different that diving into the stands for a loose ball? I think if you sit court side, there is some personal responsibility involved. Take care of yourself and be aware and ready to take care of someone a little more fragile if need be. Fighting, hustle plays, tripping, heck - even a ball can mess up a fan. Of course if you get hit by a ball, Kevin Durant might come and give you a kiss.
Its different because its not part of the game. And frankly, that is where the courts would have an issue. Fans take on the risk of players going into the stands as part of the game, they don't take on the risk of players going into the stands to fight. If someone gets hurt, that presents a HUGE liability for the league.
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Safety of the fans? The most dangerous thing that can happen is losing their soda and fries.
How do you figure? When 200 pound guys are pushing and shoving and falling down, how is there not a potential of physical danger to fans?
Again, someone tell me how that is any different that diving into the stands for a loose ball? I think if you sit court side, there is some personal responsibility involved. Take care of yourself and be aware and ready to take care of someone a little more fragile if need be. Fighting, hustle plays, tripping, heck - even a ball can mess up a fan. Of course if you get hit by a ball, Kevin Durant might come and give you a kiss.
Diving for a loose ball is part of the game. A brawl in the stands isn't. Missing the Bruins much? ;D
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Good point on The Basketball Jones - JR Smith and Nate Robinson had a fight spill out to the stands that resulted in 10 games each
EDIT: Found the video. Forgot about this one; which is much, much worse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbjFBMKcNY4
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Jackie M. ripping Rondo for his immaturity and lack of control and ripping the team big time on WEEI right now.
I respect Jackie immensely, but I don't think Rondo lost control at all. I think he did exactly what he meant to do. I don't think he expected it to end up in the stands the way it did though.
I think Rondo thought he would push Kardashian, he would fight back, they would get a couple technicals, and it would be done. But it got out of hand.
Agreed.
Rondo pushed Kris, there's no questioning that. But if you watch the footage (and I have, ad nauseum) after the push, Rondo looks like he's trying to help up KG and the Kris grabs his arm sleeve and then it really escalated.
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Someone please remind me...how many games suspension did Wade get after he dislocated Rondo's elbow? It wasn't even a tech 2, if I remember correctly. How about Tim Duncan's ejection for laughing? Technical fouls are subjectively called by biased refs and are ruining the game. Big Baby diving into the third row to get a ball is a lot more dangerous to fans than Rondo pushing Humphries, IMO. How many games did Davis get for that? I just don't get it, I guess. Fans sit in the front row to be close to the action. If you don't want to get too close, sit somewhere else.
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Jackie M. ripping Rondo for his immaturity and lack of control and ripping the team big time on WEEI right now.
I respect Jackie immensely, but I don't think Rondo lost control at all. I think he did exactly what he meant to do. I don't think he expected it to end up in the stands the way it did though.
I think Rondo thought he would push Kardashian, he would fight back, they would get a couple technicals, and it would be done. But it got out of hand.
Agreed.
Rondo pushed Kris, there's no questioning that. But if you watch the footage (and I have, ad nauseum) after the push, Rondo looks like he's trying to help up KG and the Kris grabs his arm sleeve and then it really escalated.
Eh, I think Rondo did keep going at him. But I just don't think he meant it to escalate like it did, as they fell backwards into the crowd.
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Someone please remind me...how many games suspension did Wade get after he dislocated Rondo's elbow? It wasn't even a tech 2, if I remember correctly. How about Tim Duncan's ejection for laughing? Technical fouls are subjectively called by biased refs and are ruining the game. Big Baby diving into the third row to get a ball is a lot more dangerous to fans than Rondo pushing Humphries, IMO. How many games did Davis get for that? I just don't get it, I guess. Fans sit in the front row to be close to the action. If you don't want to get too close, sit somewhere else.
I think its simple. Like I said before, its about legal liability. And the league is liable if things outside the game of basketball (like fighting) endangers fans.
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Safety of the fans? The most dangerous thing that can happen is losing their soda and fries.
How do you figure? When 200 pound guys are pushing and shoving and falling down, how is there not a potential of physical danger to fans?
Again, someone tell me how that is any different that diving into the stands for a loose ball? I think if you sit court side, there is some personal responsibility involved. Take care of yourself and be aware and ready to take care of someone a little more fragile if need be. Fighting, hustle plays, tripping, heck - even a ball can mess up a fan. Of course if you get hit by a ball, Kevin Durant might come and give you a kiss.
Diving for a loose ball is part of the game. A brawl in the stands isn't. Missing the Bruins much? ;D
You guys are right - it isn't an official sanctioned part of the game. Still, the potential for injury is the same as someone diving into the stands for a loose ball. It doesn't change that people should be aware of there being dangers of sitting court side. That's why I think the "endangering the fans" argument is weak. I could understand if they chased each other a few rows back and fought in some kids lap, but the scrum was right there where the camera man and the rich people sit. It was an unintended and spontaneous event that could have caused the same damage to someone as Brandon Bass chasing a ball.
With that said, I think most fans would really dig Rondo trying to get at Humphries right on em.
And I don't really watch hockey unless I got tickets.
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One aspect that hasn't been discussed is how effective Celtics security was in diffusing the situation. The one bald guy in the suit especially who put himself rather awkwardly in between Wallace and Garnett most likely saved Garnett from missing games. Thankless job but this fan appreciates that type of dedication.
This is a storm we will have to weather. But it would be a whole lot worse if we're sitting here this morning discussing BOTH Garnett and Rondo being suspended. We will be alright and if were lucky this could be a spark and turning point for the season.
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Good point on The Basketball Jones - JR Smith and Nate Robinson had a fight spill out to the stands that resulted in 10 games each
EDIT: Found the video. Forgot about this one; which is much, much worse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbjFBMKcNY4
It escalated more, but the part where the two got tossed into the stands is pretty much identical.
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Someone please remind me...how many games suspension did Wade get after he dislocated Rondo's elbow? It wasn't even a tech 2, if I remember correctly. How about Tim Duncan's ejection for laughing? Technical fouls are subjectively called by biased refs and are ruining the game. Big Baby diving into the third row to get a ball is a lot more dangerous to fans than Rondo pushing Humphries, IMO. How many games did Davis get for that? I just don't get it, I guess. Fans sit in the front row to be close to the action. If you don't want to get too close, sit somewhere else.
I think its simple. Like I said before, its about legal liability. And the league is liable if things outside the game of basketball (like fighting) endangers fans.
I want to address this too - While fighting isn't a sanctioned part of the game like Hockey, it is something that can happen and will happen from time to time. My worry is that if you bring liability into the equation then the NBA would be forced to make rule changes and adjustments to keep hustle plays to a minimum, or put nets up to catch balls before they smash into infants.
And I am not sure that the league would be liable for a injury sustained by a fighting player accidentally falling on them during an altercation. In fact, I'm certain that the lawyer might make the same argument I just did. You pay your money, you take your chances. Of course if that ever happened there would be rule changes or waivers to be signed by the court side fans.
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You guys are right - it isn't an official sanctioned part of the game. Still, the potential for injury is the same as someone diving into the stands for a loose ball. It doesn't change that people should be aware of there being dangers of sitting court side. That's why I think the "endangering the fans" argument is weak. I could understand if they chased each other a few rows back and fought in some kids lap, but the scrum was right there where the camera man and the rich people sit. It was an unintended and spontaneous event that could have caused the same damage to someone as Brandon Bass chasing a ball.
I don't agree with this. To make a hyperbolic comparison, it is kind of like comparing an unintentional car accident to a car accident involving a drunk driver.
While the results might be exactly the same, one of them involves a willful choice to break the law and put others in danger, while the other is just happenstance.
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You guys are right - it isn't an official sanctioned part of the game. Still, the potential for injury is the same as someone diving into the stands for a loose ball. It doesn't change that people should be aware of there being dangers of sitting court side. That's why I think the "endangering the fans" argument is weak. I could understand if they chased each other a few rows back and fought in some kids lap, but the scrum was right there where the camera man and the rich people sit. It was an unintended and spontaneous event that could have caused the same damage to someone as Brandon Bass chasing a ball.
I don't agree with this. To make a hyperbolic comparison, it is kind of like comparing an unintentional car accident to a car accident involving a drunk driver.
While the results might be exactly the same, one of them involves a willful choice to break the law and put others in danger, while the other is just happenstance.
I will use your comparison, but frame it differently.
When you get in a car, you take on a certain amount of risk, that you may be hurt. There are plenty of dangerous things that you can't control, that can cause you injury.
If you get in an accident because say, a cat ran out in front of your car, and you swerved and hit a tree, well, that was the risk of driving. If you got into an accident because a drunk driver was driving 80 MPH on the wrong side of the road...that goes beyond the range of a reasonable risk.
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Good point on The Basketball Jones - JR Smith and Nate Robinson had a fight spill out to the stands that resulted in 10 games each
EDIT: Found the video. Forgot about this one; which is much, much worse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbjFBMKcNY4
It escalated more, but the part where the two got tossed into the stands is pretty much identical.
Like you said. Much worse but going into the stands was very similar. Seeing something like this makes me think we will see more games then we think.
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You guys are right - it isn't an official sanctioned part of the game. Still, the potential for injury is the same as someone diving into the stands for a loose ball. It doesn't change that people should be aware of there being dangers of sitting court side. That's why I think the "endangering the fans" argument is weak. I could understand if they chased each other a few rows back and fought in some kids lap, but the scrum was right there where the camera man and the rich people sit. It was an unintended and spontaneous event that could have caused the same damage to someone as Brandon Bass chasing a ball.
I don't agree with this. To make a hyperbolic comparison, it is kind of like comparing an unintentional car accident to a car accident involving a drunk driver.
While the results might be exactly the same, one of them involves a willful choice to break the law and put others in danger, while the other is just happenstance.
Glad you said hyperbolic I accidentally didn't see that on my first time through and thought, "Dang, now they're comparing what Rondo did to drunk driving." - I think Chris might have framed your point a bit better since even in an unintentional car accident there are still consequences to the one at fault. It isn't ever just happenstance, there is always a reason and a person at fault in an accident.
To expand upon your analogy: Let's say I am worried about getting in an accident and getting hurt. Do I ride a motorcycle or do I buy an SUV? It is your personal responsibility to choose between safety and fun, or maybe somewhere in between. I went to see the C's in Orlando the other day and was very glad to sit just a bit behind the barrier with my pregnant wife! I wouldn't have taken her court side even if the opportunity presented itself.
Even with that said though, I don't like fighting, but I understand that emotions run high in competitive sports and sometimes pushing, shoving and brawling happens. I think it is part of the game, just not an official part of it.
Also can anyone remember a time where someone got hurt because a player fell on them? I mean seriously hurt, not just a bruise. I was sitting near a guy who got knock out cold by a hockey puck at an IHL game and we were like twenty rows back!
I appreciate the civil discourse on this sort of stuff.
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According to Wojo (in a surpisingly balanced column), the consensus among GMs he has talked to is 2-3 games for Rondo.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--rajon-rondo-s-misplaced--loyalty--in-scuffle-with-kris-humphries-hurts-celtics-165109932.html
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Even with that said though, I don't like fighting, but I understand that emotions run high in competitive sports and sometimes pushing, shoving and brawling happens. I think it is part of the game, just not an official part of it.
I think the main gist of the argument is that it is more than a 'non-official' element of basketball. It is an element of basketball that has been explicitly singled out for years by the administration as an element they want to phase out. And as a sub-category of that element, they REALLY want to phase out any spill over over of the fighting between players and the fans watching the game.
And that's why Rondo's probably going to get suspended.
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Even with that said though, I don't like fighting, but I understand that emotions run high in competitive sports and sometimes pushing, shoving and brawling happens. I think it is part of the game, just not an official part of it.
I think the main gist of the argument is that it is more than a 'non-official' element of basketball. It is an element of basketball that has been explicitly singled out for years by the administration as an element they want to phase out. And as a sub-category of that element, they REALLY want to phase out any spill over over of the fighting between players and the fans watching the game.
And that's why Rondo's probably going to get suspended.
I can agree with that - it is definitely being phased out, much to the chagrin of those of us who first tuned in 25 years ago.
But honestly, how cool would it have been to have Rondo trying to pummel him in your lap? My preggo wife aside, sounds pretty fun as long as it was harmless and broken up properly.
I think twitter does more damage than a small fight at the game. That whole thing with Kris Humphries posting his scratches just seems like he's trying to incite further punishment on Rondo. In the past, players seem to get punished worse if they keep talking about it, which he seems to enjoy doing. I really hope he gets the same punishment. I like basketball and I hate twitter.
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Maybe "Moonbeam" Humphries will get an extra fine for indecent exposure.
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After reading this thread in it entirety, all I can do is sigh.
What a sad, wimpy, pathetic society we have become, when a minor skirmish like this is seen as some sort of "heinous act".
It was a pushing match. Wimps!
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Rondo put his forearm into Kardashian's chest. Kardashian grabbed Rondo by the back of the neck and the players tumbled backwards. It looked to me like Rondo, besides the initial forearm, was the victim here. When a guy almost a foot taller than you has you by the back of the neck, the common reaction is to struggle to get away from him.
I'll be very disappointed if Rondo is suspended. No punches were thrown. If they're going to suspend players when they tussle and end up in the stands, they have to suspend them EVERY time. Lamar Odom was suspended one game for a flagrant foul when he body blocked Ray Allen into the stands (nice job, LO, please do it again), but he wasn't suspended for going into the stands.
No punches, no fight, no suspension. Let's stop the wussification of American sports right here and now.
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After reading this thread in it entirety, all I can do is sigh.
What a sad, wimpy, pathetic society we have become, when a minor skirmish like this is seen as some sort of "heinous act".
It was a pushing match. Wimps!
I think you need to re-read this then. I don't see anyone really acting like it was a volatile act, just speculating there'll be a suspension based on it ending up in the crowd.
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Rondo put his forearm into Kardashian's chest. Kardashian grabbed Rondo by the back of the neck and the players tumbled backwards. It looked to me like Rondo, besides the initial forearm, was the victim here. When a guy almost a foot taller than you has you by the back of the neck, the common reaction is to struggle to get away from him.
From what I saw, words aside, Rondo was the initiator, and the aggressor for the entire incident.
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Rondo put his forearm into Kardashian's chest. Kardashian grabbed Rondo by the back of the neck and the players tumbled backwards. It looked to me like Rondo, besides the initial forearm, was the victim here. When a guy almost a foot taller than you has you by the back of the neck, the common reaction is to struggle to get away from him.
From what I saw, words aside, Rondo was the initiator, and the aggressor for the entire incident.
The Judge Dredd of the altercation?
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Also, there is this:
(http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/kxuMxXgUJaC3ku9udXcosw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnbaexperts/c1129kh2.jpg)
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Rondo put his forearm into Kardashian's chest. Kardashian grabbed Rondo by the back of the neck and the players tumbled backwards. It looked to me like Rondo, besides the initial forearm, was the victim here. When a guy almost a foot taller than you has you by the back of the neck, the common reaction is to struggle to get away from him.
From what I saw, words aside, Rondo was the initiator, and the aggressor for the entire incident.
After the initial forearm, I saw Rondo as being pushed along with the tide when the pile up ensued. I didn't see him punching or doing anything particularly aggressive.
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I like how everyone is acting like Larry Bird diddnt get in numerous fights. With him it was that he was "tough". With Rondo he has "anger problems". Grow up you little girls these are grown men.
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Also, there is this:
(http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/kxuMxXgUJaC3ku9udXcosw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnbaexperts/c1129kh2.jpg)
Nice pic. The smoking gun. Rondo didn't push Kardashian into the crowd. He tripped on KG's impossibly skinny leg, and pulled Rondo in on top of him.
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Jackie M. ripping Rondo for his immaturity and lack of control and ripping the team big time on WEEI right now.
The same woman who gets lady boners when talking about Bird's fighting antics.
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Rondo put his forearm into Kardashian's chest. Kardashian grabbed Rondo by the back of the neck and the players tumbled backwards. It looked to me like Rondo, besides the initial forearm, was the victim here. When a guy almost a foot taller than you has you by the back of the neck, the common reaction is to struggle to get away from him.
I'll be very disappointed if Rondo is suspended. No punches were thrown. If they're going to suspend players when they tussle and end up in the stands, they have to suspend them EVERY time. Lamar Odom was suspended one game for a flagrant foul when he body blocked Ray Allen into the stands (nice job, LO, please do it again), but he wasn't suspended for going into the stands.
No punches, no fight, no suspension. Let's stop the wussification of American sports right here and now.
LOVE IT, tp
i miss the days of basketball players fighting (like that), refs break it up give a few techs and get on with the game
i have no problem with humphries foul, yes it should have been a t
i have no problem with rondo shoving humphries, again a t
humprhies grabbed rondo at that point and it escalated, that was the main issue
to me the bad guy was wallace coming in late and hard
don't need a rudy incident
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Rondo put his forearm into Kardashian's chest. Kardashian grabbed Rondo by the back of the neck and the players tumbled backwards. It looked to me like Rondo, besides the initial forearm, was the victim here. When a guy almost a foot taller than you has you by the back of the neck, the common reaction is to struggle to get away from him.
From what I saw, words aside, Rondo was the initiator, and the aggressor for the entire incident.
He was definitely the initiator. I thought much of what happened after that was Humphries pulling Rondo, first his elbow sleeve and then his jersey.
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Then Humphries falls back, and to the left. Back, and to the left
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I like how everyone is acting like Larry Bird diddnt get in numerous fights. With him it was that he was "tough". With Rondo he has "anger problems". Grow up you little girls these are grown men.
I wonder if this is a generational thing, where the younger "everyone plays a quarter, everyone gets a trophy, no choosing sides in gym" generation tents to looks at these incidents in a wimpy manner, and those who grew up in or before the Bird Era understand when grown men compete hard, there are going to be a few dust ups.
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Then Humphries falls back, and to the left. Back, and to the left
There must have been a second scratcher!
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Jackie M. ripping Rondo for his immaturity and lack of control and ripping the team big time on WEEI right now.
The same woman who gets lady boners when talking about Bird's fighting antics.
There's a mental image we could all do without.
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Then Humphries falls back, and to the left. Back, and to the left
There must have been a second scratcher!
TP.
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Jackie M. ripping Rondo for his immaturity and lack of control and ripping the team big time on WEEI right now.
Shes a rondo detractor....period.
As if her hero bird didn't engage in shoving matches
To quote Bill Belichick, "Do business as business is being done."
Shoving was ok in Birds day, its not anymore therefor the bird thing doesnt really hold too much water with me.
Agreed actually just she needs to get off her moral high horse..pleeeease. he made a mistake...shes a rondo detractor and rondo detractors couldn't be more pleased with this oppurtunity to jump all over him and call him immature
She is not a Rondo detractor. And, Rondo is immature.
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So, basically, Rajon is going to get suspended for defending his teammate and spilling 2-3 sodas in the first row?
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Jackie M. ripping Rondo for his immaturity and lack of control and ripping the team big time on WEEI right now.
The same woman who gets lady boners when talking about Bird's fighting antics.
What don't you understand about the fact that this is a far different era?
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I like how everyone is acting like Larry Bird diddnt get in numerous fights. With him it was that he was "tough". With Rondo he has "anger problems". Grow up you little girls these are grown men.
I wonder if this is a generational thing, where the younger "everyone plays a quarter, everyone gets a trophy, no choosing sides in gym" generation tents to looks at these incidents in a wimpy manner, and those who grew up in or before the Bird Era understand when grown men compete hard, there are going to be a few dust ups.
Has nothing to do with the incident itself. Rondo will get himself suspended for the third time in 10 months or so. That's not "making a mistake" -- it's more of a dangerous habit.
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So, basically, Rajon is going to get suspended for defending his teammate and spilling 2-3 sodas in the first row?
No, he is going to get suspended for initiating a scuffle that ended up three rows into the stands.
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Jackie M. ripping Rondo for his immaturity and lack of control and ripping the team big time on WEEI right now.
The same woman who gets lady boners when talking about Bird's fighting antics.
What don't you understand about the fact that this is a far different era?
How many times did Bird get suspended for his "fighting antics"? Yeah, I thought so.
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Jackie M. ripping Rondo for his immaturity and lack of control and ripping the team big time on WEEI right now.
The same woman who gets lady boners when talking about Bird's fighting antics.
What don't you understand about the fact that this is a far different era?
How many times did Bird get suspended for his "fighting antics"? Yeah, I thought so.
That's my point. It was accepted back then. It is not accepted now. Whether someone thinks that is wimpy or not, the game has changed and players need to adapt.
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I like how everyone is acting like Larry Bird diddnt get in numerous fights. With him it was that he was "tough". With Rondo he has "anger problems". Grow up you little girls these are grown men.
I wonder if this is a generational thing, where the younger "everyone plays a quarter, everyone gets a trophy, no choosing sides in gym" generation tents to looks at these incidents in a wimpy manner, and those who grew up in or before the Bird Era understand when grown men compete hard, there are going to be a few dust ups.
You know what I blame this on the breakdown of? Society.
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Jackie M. ripping Rondo for his immaturity and lack of control and ripping the team big time on WEEI right now.
The same woman who gets lady boners when talking about Bird's fighting antics.
What don't you understand about the fact that this is a far different era?
I'd be interested to hear his take - in today's NBA would Bird retaliate in situations knowing the difference in consequences.
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I like how everyone is acting like Larry Bird diddnt get in numerous fights. With him it was that he was "tough". With Rondo he has "anger problems". Grow up you little girls these are grown men.
I wonder if this is a generational thing, where the younger "everyone plays a quarter, everyone gets a trophy, no choosing sides in gym" generation tents to looks at these incidents in a wimpy manner, and those who grew up in or before the Bird Era understand when grown men compete hard, there are going to be a few dust ups.
It is just the sanitization of the game of basketball. The Bird Era was immediately after the cocaine era and even Bird's first title win was on tape delay. Now they are marketing the NBA as family entertainment, which widens their customer base and makes the NBA more successful, but also fosters the need to make the game cleaner for audiences such as children. The NFL has taken similar steps. It is the "drawback" of being successful.
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Just dumb & stupid.
There's way to show leadership & having your team's back. You just need to know when to draw the line and that wasn't done here. Getting thrown out of a game & opening yourself up to a suspension doesn't help anything.
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I'm conflicted. On one hand, I think it was dumb of Rondo to go after Kris Humphries the way he did. I'm with Doc in that I don't believe that getting in fights is the way to show toughness on a basketball court.
On the other hand, I also agree with Doc that this team hasn't been showing much basketball toughness to start this season. I'm hoping that Rondo's little fling with Mr. Kardashian can spark some kind of positive aggression from our squad. The team's smallest leader just went after a guy twice his size to stick up for a teammate, and the coach just called them all soft. Those guys have to be seething right now. I really would like to see them go out and show it on the court.
It's time to step it up. I'm thinking Rondo's actions in the last game may end up working as some kind of catalyst. I sure hope so, anyway.
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This is what should have happened when Wade took down Rondo. I guess the little guy is the only one who will stick up for his mates.
For those of you who are already typing a response about being smart and not letting emotion get the best of you in the playoffs: can you remind me who one that series again?
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I have a related question not really with regards to Rondo, but can a suspended player be sent down to the D-league? Say if Sullinger was suspended a game could he play a game for the Claws?
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This is what should have happened when Wade took down Rondo. I guess the little guy is the only one who will stick up for his mates.
For those of you who are already typing a response about being smart and not letting emotion get the best of you in the playoffs: can you remind me who one that series again?
This is the part of the story that bothers me the most, and something Doc nailed after the game. It was really dumb of Rondo to put himself in jeopardy like this...but what is even worse is that he needed to. That game was getting rough, and the C's were getting outhustled, outworked, and out-toughed.
Rondo took it on himself to stand up to the Nets, and he cost the team for it. But what should have happened is some of the role players should have been the ones that did that. Jason Collins, Chris Wilcox, Brandon Bass, Jared Sullinger, Jeff Green, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, etc. They are the ones who are supposed to be sacrificing themselves to light a fire under the team, and show that they aren't going to be pushed around.
While Rondo needs to be smarter, this team is not going to be able to do any damage against the better teams in the league, until they start getting some toughness out of the other guys.
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Rondo put his forearm into Kardashian's chest. Kardashian grabbed Rondo by the back of the neck and the players tumbled backwards. It looked to me like Rondo, besides the initial forearm, was the victim here. When a guy almost a foot taller than you has you by the back of the neck, the common reaction is to struggle to get away from him.
From what I saw, words aside, Rondo was the initiator, and the aggressor for the entire incident.
He was definitely the initiator. I thought much of what happened after that was Humphries pulling Rondo, first his elbow sleeve and then his jersey.
Humpty Hump was pulling Rondo as he was falling backwards, but Rondo keeps coming at him with his 'close handed push-punches', as people are pushing Rondo at him.
Its true Humphries does pull at Rondo though, I just think Rondo was aggressive from front to back, while Humphries just kinda pawed at him as Rondo went to town 'not punching him'.
(I put that in quotes, not because I think Rondo punched him, but its just hilarious. ALl these guys wanna do is swing on each other but they're scared to, so fights are all about the push-punch, which is hilarious.)
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Boy I wish we still had that Kendrick Perkins guy.
Instead of discussing whether or not Rondo will get suspended, we'd be discussing whether or not Perk would.
Sad state of affairs when your 6'1" PG is the toughest dude on the team (along with KG).
Doc is right, we are a bunch of softies.
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I like what Rondo did. This team needs to get nasty and be the aggressor. It was nice to see some fire out of one of our players. Hopefully it translates over. In combination with what Doc said I think this could really spark us to stop (screwing) around and get down to business.
EDIT: Check PM's
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I for one am giving Rondo a "TOMMY POINT" , he sent a clear message he is not fooling around, REST of you lazy C's wake up.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
If this is what it takes to ralley the team so be it.
I really like Rondo, and guess he just got caught up in the moment and lost his cool. What he did was , like drinking and driving in the 60's , it was frowned on , but you got a slap on the wrist was all. Everything is so blown out of proportion today.
Ya'll know Danny Ainge would have bitten Humpfires ;D
I applaud Rondo , for not standing around and watching, he got involved...
In the 70or 80's a pushing and shoving match was no big deal after a play, you'd have to use your fist and really do damage, LAND a real HAYMAKER to draw an ejection or fight with fans or such. I don't remeber ANY suspensions really. Seemed like shoving face offs were common back then. That wasn't a REAL fight , LOL , just guys letting off some steam.... ??? ::)
I didn't see much too the deal myself, nobody lost teeth or got a bloody nose .
A game ejection is all Rondo would have got when Larry Bird was playing. Now everybody is like a bunch of sissy geek hall monitors in the first grade....oh my ...we can't have tempters / oh my ...boo hoo...whine... :'(
I miss the good ol days of NBA. Men were men...Like Rondo.
So yeah , he lost the game for C's , they already were getting their tails whipped , so what ....Next time I would recomend at least get your moneys worth and lossen up Humpries teeth.
Maybe the rest of the team will wake up and man up and play like they WANT to win , not just expect to win because they arte the Celtics.
I'm proud of ya Rondo . ;D
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I like what Rondo did. This team needs to get nasty and be the aggressor. It was nice to see some fire out of one of our players. Hopefully it translates over. In combination with what Doc said I think this could really spark us to stop (screwing) around and get down to business.
I also like it. I didn't think we were gonna win that game either, I think Rondo was doing what he thought a leader should do. I was impressed, and honestly I thought there was as good a chance of the team coming together in his absence as there was of them getting blown out.
Of course, when @DrayBaltche picked off that missed FT for a offensive rebound and bunny, I knew we weren't coming back. Soft serve indeed.
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I like what Rondo did. This team needs to get nasty and be the aggressor. It was nice to see some fire out of one of our players. Hopefully it translates over. In combination with what Doc said I think this could really spark us to stop (screwing) around and get down to business.
I also like it. I didn't think we were gonna win that game either, I think Rondo was doing what he thought a leader should do. I was impressed, and honestly I thought there was as good a chance of the team coming together in his absence as there was of them getting blown out.
Of course, when @DrayBaltche picked off that missed FT for a offensive rebound and bunny, I knew we weren't coming back. Soft serve indeed.
I checked the PMs. FYI. I am with you.
Lol man you guys love your @DrayBaltche on here. It's pretty funny though.
Still Sadly. @DrayBaltche > Collins + Darko.
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This is what should have happened when Wade took down Rondo. I guess the little guy is the only one who will stick up for his mates.
For those of you who are already typing a response about being smart and not letting emotion get the best of you in the playoffs: can you remind me who one that series again?
This is the part of the story that bothers me the most, and something Doc nailed after the game. It was really dumb of Rondo to put himself in jeopardy like this...but what is even worse is that he needed to. That game was getting rough, and the C's were getting outhustled, outworked, and out-toughed.
Rondo took it on himself to stand up to the Nets, and he cost the team for it. But what should have happened is some of the role players should have been the ones that did that. Jason Collins, Chris Wilcox, Brandon Bass, Jared Sullinger, Jeff Green, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, etc. They are the ones who are supposed to be sacrificing themselves to light a fire under the team, and show that they aren't going to be pushed around.
While Rondo needs to be smarter, this team is not going to be able to do any damage against the better teams in the league, until they start getting some toughness out of the other guys.
This team needs to play tougher, hands down. Nets were playing tougher, they pushed us further and further from the basket and got the upper hand.
But we cannot consistently rely on ejections to start playing tougher and even last night, after the incident happened, we didn't play much better defense for at least another full quarter.
What I expect from a team leader is get vocal during timeouts or even the small breaks during a free-throw shooting to get the team's act together. That's what KG and PP do. Intensity is a good thing up to the point that it begins to hurt your own.
As aggressive as KG is, he is certainly controlling himself to a degree, because if he let it all out, that wouldn't be firing up your teammates any more. What Rondo needs to do is to adopt a similar manner.
I want him to be a leader that has consciously tough.
Not Ron Artest-tough.
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Jackie M. ripping Rondo for his immaturity and lack of control and ripping the team big time on WEEI right now.
Shes a rondo detractor....period.
As if her hero bird didn't engage in shoving matches
To quote Bill Belichick, "Do business as business is being done."
Shoving was ok in Birds day, its not anymore therefor the bird thing doesnt really hold too much water with me.
Agreed actually just she needs to get off her moral high horse..pleeeease. he made a mistake...shes a rondo detractor and rondo detractors couldn't be more pleased with this oppurtunity to jump all over him and call him immature
She is not a Rondo detractor. And, Rondo is immature.
I don't think hes immature whatsoever...I consider pounding your chest, swearing constantly,screaming in jumbotrons and picking on small white guys immature. Or going out to casinos before playoff games. Rondo is edgy and a bit of a jerk...for his age hes exrtremely mature and soft spoken well well well beyond his years even taking a bargain contract to stay here never causing any fuss or trade demands...he does virtually nothing stupid away from the game it seems other then buisness ventures and basketball camps for kids, charity, organizing team get togethers brfore the year etc. He seems like a very straight laced mature young adult it wouldn't surprise me if he was in the small percentage of Nba players that doesn't smoke or drink and has never touched it. Sorry...pushing a dude on the basketball court sticking up for your soft team is not immature.
Jackie m has been a rondo detractor all along sorry.
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This is what should have happened when Wade took down Rondo. I guess the little guy is the only one who will stick up for his mates.
For those of you who are already typing a response about being smart and not letting emotion get the best of you in the playoffs: can you remind me who one that series again?
This is the part of the story that bothers me the most, and something Doc nailed after the game. It was really dumb of Rondo to put himself in jeopardy like this...but what is even worse is that he needed to. That game was getting rough, and the C's were getting outhustled, outworked, and out-toughed.
Rondo took it on himself to stand up to the Nets, and he cost the team for it. But what should have happened is some of the role players should have been the ones that did that. Jason Collins, Chris Wilcox, Brandon Bass, Jared Sullinger, Jeff Green, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, etc. They are the ones who are supposed to be sacrificing themselves to light a fire under the team, and show that they aren't going to be pushed around.
While Rondo needs to be smarter, this team is not going to be able to do any damage against the better teams in the league, until they start getting some toughness out of the other guys.
This team needs to play tougher, hands down. Nets were playing tougher, they pushed us further and further from the basket and got the upper hand.
But we cannot consistently rely on ejections to start playing tougher and even last night, after the incident happened, we didn't play much better defense for at least another full quarter.
What I expect from a team leader is get vocal during timeouts or even the small breaks during a free-throw shooting to get the team's act together. That's what KG and PP do. Intensity is a good thing up to the point that it begins to hurt your own.
As aggressive as KG is, he is certainly controlling himself to a degree, because if he let it all out, that wouldn't be firing up your teammates any more. What Rondo needs to do is to adopt a similar manner.
I want him to be a leader that has consciously tough.
Not Ron Artest-tough.
Oh, I agree completely. But what my point was, Rondo would never have even considered doing that, if the rest of the team was playing tougher overall.
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Just dumb & stupid.
There's way to show leadership & having your team's back. You just need to know when to draw the line and that wasn't done here. Getting thrown out of a game & opening yourself up to a suspension doesn't help anything.
I doubt that when Rondo shoved Humphries he envisioned ending up in the crowd in a mass of players. I thought Kris over reacted a little, his height advantage over Rondo giving him flashbacks of being pushed around by Kim. Kind of like ptsd from marriage.
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Anyone else notice Donnys immediate reaction? Clapping, laughing, and gloating about the scrum? Then at the post game he did a complete 180 and derided the whole thing? Can we please send this guy to Miami now, to carry Ray Allens bag of balls?
Miami is too good for him. How about send him to cover the rugby league in Afganistan?
Sounds good to me! Can't stand Donny. I took a disliking to him the very first day he joined the Celtics. He was dogging Pierce like he was the commentator for the other team.
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I like how everyone is acting like Larry Bird diddnt get in numerous fights. With him it was that he was "tough". With Rondo he has "anger problems". Grow up you little girls these are grown men.
I wonder if this is a generational thing, where the younger "everyone plays a quarter, everyone gets a trophy, no choosing sides in gym" generation tents to looks at these incidents in a wimpy manner, and those who grew up in or before the Bird Era understand when grown men compete hard, there are going to be a few dust ups.
You know what I blame this on the breakdown of? Society.
I agree 100% .
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Looks like a one game suspension to me. Decent chance Rondo gets away without a suspension but I'd say a one gamer is more likely.
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I like what Rondo did. This team needs to get nasty and be the aggressor. It was nice to see some fire out of one of our players. Hopefully it translates over. In combination with what Doc said I think this could really spark us to stop (screwing) around and get down to business.
I also like it. I didn't think we were gonna win that game either, I think Rondo was doing what he thought a leader should do. I was impressed, and honestly I thought there was as good a chance of the team coming together in his absence as there was of them getting blown out.
Of course, when @DrayBaltche picked off that missed FT for a offensive rebound and bunny, I knew we weren't coming back. Soft serve indeed.
That's a really good point especially considering Doc Rivers has admitted to doing the exact same thing.
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This is what should have happened when Wade took down Rondo. I guess the little guy is the only one who will stick up for his mates.
For those of you who are already typing a response about being smart and not letting emotion get the best of you in the playoffs: can you remind me who one that series again?
This is the part of the story that bothers me the most, and something Doc nailed after the game. It was really dumb of Rondo to put himself in jeopardy like this...but what is even worse is that he needed to. That game was getting rough, and the C's were getting outhustled, outworked, and out-toughed.
Rondo took it on himself to stand up to the Nets, and he cost the team for it. But what should have happened is some of the role players should have been the ones that did that. Jason Collins, Chris Wilcox, Brandon Bass, Jared Sullinger, Jeff Green, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, etc. They are the ones who are supposed to be sacrificing themselves to light a fire under the team, and show that they aren't going to be pushed around.
While Rondo needs to be smarter, this team is not going to be able to do any damage against the better teams in the league, until they start getting some toughness out of the other guys.
This team needs to play tougher, hands down. Nets were playing tougher, they pushed us further and further from the basket and got the upper hand.
But we cannot consistently rely on ejections to start playing tougher and even last night, after the incident happened, we didn't play much better defense for at least another full quarter.
What I expect from a team leader is get vocal during timeouts or even the small breaks during a free-throw shooting to get the team's act together. That's what KG and PP do. Intensity is a good thing up to the point that it begins to hurt your own.
As aggressive as KG is, he is certainly controlling himself to a degree, because if he let it all out, that wouldn't be firing up your teammates any more. What Rondo needs to do is to adopt a similar manner.
I want him to be a leader that has consciously tough.
Not Ron Artest-tough.
Oh, I agree completely. But what my point was, Rondo would never have even considered doing that, if the rest of the team was playing tougher overall.
I get your point.
I also agree that, well before that play, he was frustrated with the basketball Celtics were playing. A stagnant offense with just the player with the ball moving around and a next-to-nothing defensive toughness.
And as some fellow bloggers point out, I didn't expect this would turn into a calamity with multiple players involved at the beginning.
I'm not blaming him, but I stil don't get how Kris Humphries was pushed back so easily. Maybe he didn't expect Rondo's initial reaction, I don't know.
At any rate, an incident which initially looked like a potential double technical called in the end, got quickly out of hands and ended with ejections.
That said, I'm not suggesting this altercation was anywhere near "Artest-dirty".
I just don't want an evolution in that direction and probably a one game suspension or maybe two, would help him refrain from initiating these kind of incidents the next time.
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Rondo didn't really do anything that bad. Yeah he instigated it, and He shoved Humphries. But Humphries over reacted. If he would have just stood his ground, the ref would have stepped in and just gave Rondo a T. It would have been a different story if he had punched him in stead.
Wallace was worse going after Kg for no reason. Didn't even go and try to help his teammate out, just ran by to start some thing with KG.
At worst it should be a fine and maybe one game. But this is the NBA were they hate the Celtics and don't have and consistency or make any sense.
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Rondo didn't really do anything that bad. Yeah he instigated it, and He shoved Humphries. But Humphries over reacted. If he would have just stood his ground, the ref would have stepped in and just gave Rondo a T. It would have been a different story if he had punched him in stead.
Wallace was worse going after Kg for no reason. Didn't even go and try to help his teammate out, just ran by to start some thing with KG.
At worst it should be a fine and maybe one game. But this is the NBA were they hate the Celtics and don't have and consistency or make any sense.
I think that Wallace was mad about being hit in the face a few minutes earlier (even though he wasn't hit in the face).
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I keep watching it on youtube. I don't think Humphries actually fouled Garnett.
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Ainge just announced it on WEEI
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So ejection for a fight, 1 for starting it, and 1 for being Rondo.
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I knew :) fair enough, now lets move on and win more games
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Two game suspension. Ainge just announced it on WEEI.
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Ainge just announced it on WEEI
does this include the ejection from the nets game? or is it two games on top of that ejection?
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Ainge just announced it on WEEI
does this include the ejection from the nets game? or is it two games on top of that ejection?
Two games on top of the ejection last night.
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just announced on felger show
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I knew it would be 1-2 games. 3 games if they really wanted to let rondo have it. People saying 5-10 were tripping lol.
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I expected 3-5, so am happy with 2.
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#NBA sources say Rajon #Rondo had been suspended for 2 games for his role in last nights shoving match w/ Nets. Kevin Garnett has been fined
https://twitter.com/MDowlingWCVB
Fining KG is a little ridiculous but whatever, fair enough.
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#NBA sources say Rajon #Rondo had been suspended for 2 games for his role in last nights shoving match w/ Nets. Kevin Garnett has been fined
https://twitter.com/MDowlingWCVB
Fining KG is a little ridiculous but whatever, fair.
You get fined for every technical, though this could have been an extra fine.
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for the people saying Rondo is immature and not a leader keep in mind KG and PP have both been thrown out of playoff games the last few years
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrJQREnRkMI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZAXvifvSLE
guess they are both immature and not capable of leading a team either since they were much older than Rondo is now when they got ejected.
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Two game suspension. Ainge just announced it on WEEI.
That's fair. Well done league. I said two game max earlier, im glad somone in the league office has some sense. I've been very critical of Stern and the league office in the past. This season seems to be a lot better both from a refereeing standpoint (swallowing them more) and discipline matters. Seems to me they are starting to listen to the fan base a little more on issues like this, as they should. I think this stokes the flames to a good Boston/Brooklyn rivalry and in the end they will benefit because the ratings for the Christmas game will be through the roof. Can't belive im saying this but... Thank you, Stern.
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lame
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Two game suspension. Ainge just announced it on WEEI.
One for starting it, two for it spilling into the crowd.
Gerald Wallace better be fined for his bush league assault on KG. If he doesn't, I might lose it.
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LOL! at garnett trying to get away after the elbow.
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for the people saying Rondo is immature and not a leader keep in mind KG and PP have both been thrown out of playoff games the last few years
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrJQREnRkMI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZAXvifvSLE
guess they are both immature and not capable of leading a team either since they were much older than Rondo is now when they got ejected.
This is Rondo's third suspension in 9 months for a total of 5 games I believe. Is there a pattern here? I love the guy, but he needs to grow up.
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Fair to me. I was thinking 3+ I am very happy with just two. But a fine for KG? Why? What about Hump or Wallace?
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2 games is good to me heck I was worried about 5. Also will Kris or Wallace get something too.
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I knew it would be 1-2 games. 3 games if they really wanted to let rondo have it. People saying 5-10 were tripping lol.
Seriously.
All the talk about a serious suspension for the shoving/scuffling into the cameras was ridiculous. I thought for sure he was getting off completely until this morning when I watched the clip and saw he threw a punch.
It was a tangled up and falling down retaliatory punch, barely anything, but we all know the NBA has to suspend for a thrown fist or elbow, whether it connects or not.
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Fair to me. I was thinking 3+ I am very happy with just two. But a fine for KG? Why? What about Hump or Wallace?
Wallace has been fined 35k.
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Fair to me. I was thinking 3+ I am very happy with just two. But a fine for KG? Why? What about Hump or Wallace?
Wallace has been fined 35k.
In all honesty what he did going after KG was probably worse than what Rondo got suspended for.
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guess they are both immature and not capable of leading a team either since they were much older than Rondo is now when they got ejected.
Neither of them tossed anyone into the stands. Neither of them was suspended. Neither of them was was suspended. Neither of them has a history of multiple suspensions in a short period of time. There's just no way to spin this for Rondo. It's not good.
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Fair to me. I was thinking 3+ I am very happy with just two. But a fine for KG? Why? What about Hump or Wallace?
Wallace has been fined 35k.
In all honesty what he did going after KG was probably worse than what Rondo got suspended for.
It isn't. Rondo was the initiator of these, and he tossed a guy in the stands. Wallace ran in to push and shove some.
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Rondo speaks: (http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2012/11/rajon_rondo_i_d.html?camp=rss:celtics&dlvrit=834394)
"I thought the play on Kevin was a malicious play," said Rondo. "I got hurt last summer on a similar play like that, a guy going up in the air defenseless, on his way down.
"I don't think I did anything dirty. I didn't try to start a riot. I don't think it's more than just a pushing war that started."
Maybe this is how Rondo expects his teammates to react and have his back if Dirty Dwyane Wade tries something in the future.
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Fair to me. I was thinking 3+ I am very happy with just two. But a fine for KG? Why? What about Hump or Wallace?
Wallace has been fined 35k.
In all honesty what he did going after KG was probably worse than what Rondo got suspended for.
It wasn't worse.
But from a certain standpoint, it was more idiotic.
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He got off REALLLLLLY easy.
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I guess I'm just going to have to accept I live in a world run by sissies.
Oh well, you earned my respect, Rondo.
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I guess I'm just going to have to accept I live in a world run by sissies.
Oh well, you earned my respect, Rondo.
Yeah, because punching someone makes you a tough guy. What's that, middle school?
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Well, Rondo DID NOT punch anyone.
Furthermore, you don't want no ish, don't start no ish. I get by quite fine using this mantra, thank you very much.
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What punch?
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Well, Rondo DID NOT punch anyone.
Furthermore, you don't want no ish, don't start no ish. I get by quite fine using this mantra, thank you very much.
It doesn't matter whether he punched anyone or not. What I asking is whether it makes you a "tough guy". Because shoving people around is kind of weak sauce.
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What punch?
It wasn't a statement. It was a question.
Getting ejected, suspended, and losing a game doesn't make you a tough guy. It makes you a well-rounded loser.
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I'm more sad that he won't erase the Great Liar's record. Any erasure of the Great Liar in any record book is a positive. If only ESPN would remove him and his narcissistic useless commentary the mute button wouldn't be wearing out on my remote.
Ultimately Rondo's move will turn the team around. It was needed with the team playing so lethargic.
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this better be a gut check to this team.
absolutely no defensive swagger at all. never thought I'd say that about a Rondo/KG team....
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Given that the thing spilled into the stands, I can understand the penalty. I thought the ejection was enough by itself, personally, but I get it.
I still don't have a problem with what Rondo did. That tells me what kind of teammate he is. I can appreciate that, even if the result wasn't what he (or we) wanted.
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I guess I'm just going to have to accept I live in a world run by sissies.
Oh well, you earned my respect, Rondo.
Yeah, because punching someone makes you a tough guy. What's that, middle school?
No , sometimes thats life requires you stand up and be a man.
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This seems about right. The actual "fight" was pretty weak, but 2 games for taking it into the crowd.
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I guess I'm just going to have to accept I live in a world run by sissies.
Oh well, you earned my respect, Rondo.
Yeah, because punching someone makes you a tough guy. What's that, middle school?
No one said it made him a tough guy or that it was handled the right way but it showed everyone he will confront a bigger man to back his teammates to try and turn what is a soft team around and what we already know...rondo is exteremly competetive and it occasionally goes to far....who do you think he learned this from? Gee couldn't be kg...except he usually chooses a small white guy to prove his point
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I guess I'm just going to have to accept I live in a world run by sissies.
Oh well, you earned my respect, Rondo.
The important thing is that you've found a way to feel superior to "the world" based on a basketball suspension.
Content: I was thinking one game but two isn't that surprising. Just deal with it and move on, it'll be forgotten by the New Year.
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I don't get how Rondo gets 2 for a shoving match...didn't Artest only get 7 for taking Harden's head off?
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Two games sounds appropriate all things considered.
It's gonna blow not having Rondo around but the team needs to live with it and hopefully thrive on the adversity.
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Rondo did what had to be done...you'd know if you ever played before....that is how it is...it IS a game, but it is also a gladiator event...you know that.....no one, no way, never does that to my team, once you get that across to the league.....the dirty fouls STOP...you play clean as long as they do, then you do what you need to if they don't.
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Rondo speaks: (http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2012/11/rajon_rondo_i_d.html?camp=rss:celtics&dlvrit=834394)
"I thought the play on Kevin was a malicious play," said Rondo. "I got hurt last summer on a similar play like that, a guy going up in the air defenseless, on his way down.
"I don't think I did anything dirty. I didn't try to start a riot. I don't think it's more than just a pushing war that started."
Maybe this is how Rondo expects his teammates to react and have his back if Dirty Dwyane Wade tries something in the future.
Unapologetic wont earn any future goodwill from the commish, but it makes a heck of a soundbite
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What punch?
It wasn't a statement. It was a question.
Getting ejected, suspended, and losing a game doesn't make you a tough guy. It makes you a well-rounded loser.
All of the players that have been suspended are well-rounded losers?
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guess they are both immature and not capable of leading a team either since they were much older than Rondo is now when they got ejected.
Neither of them tossed anyone into the stands. Neither of them was suspended. Neither of them was was suspended. Neither of them has a history of multiple suspensions in a short period of time. There's just no way to spin this for Rondo. It's not good.
Garnett was suspended for a game in the Miami series and Rondo didn't toss anyone into the stands.
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So, I've been thinking about this on and off all day. Last night, as a big fan of Rondo as an even bigger fan of the Celtics, I was torn as to his actions jeopardized his reputation, but more importantly the team. Basically, as a fan of his, I really don't want him to garner this bad reputation, but at the same time I question whether his actions will hurt our team in the future as he is our future franchise player.
With that being said, I've come to the conclusion that I love what Rondo did. I know the game has evolved in the past decade and any type of aggressive play is not permitted and often frowned upon, but I honestly think that's one of the biggest problems with the league of today. I'm 25. I caught the very tail end of the 80s and all of the 90s and I miss what I witnessed as a child. I understand the game has changed, but one thing that shouldn't be distilled from these players is passion. Yeah we have a league full of talented, athletic freaks such as LeBron James, but most of these glorified superstars often seem like they are in it for the fame and the money. The league is too commercial and focuses way too much on selling a shiny, perfect product rather than really selling the game of basketball itself.
As a Celtics fan my entire life, I know what this franchise stands for transcends beyond the game. We stand for tradition, heart, intensity, family, passion, and dedication. It always comes even more apparent when we struggle such as our 20 year drought, the death of Len Bias and Reggie Lewis, the Rick Pitino era, and even now. We have a dedicated fan base, front office, and players. You see Paul Pierce never gave up and left even after years of struggle. We stick together.
Rajon Rondo, Kevin Garnett, and Paul Pierce have been playing together for over 6 years. They've traveled around the country, world, and won a championship together. I think it's pretty safe to conclude that they're more than just teammates. They're close friends, a brotherhood. I have no problem with Rondo standing up for a friend and a teammate, especially as the leader of this team. They're in this together.
Rondo plays with fire in his eyes. He's in a mission. Him and Garnett rip their hearts out of their chests and lay it on the floor every single game. I commend any passionate player for that. Sadly, you don't really come across that anymore. Players now are cold, calculated, and manufactured.
Play for more than just to win. Make a statement. Write a story. Shed blood, sweat, and tears. So far our story this season has been rather uncouth. Hopefully, Rondo's actions opened a new chapter of this team finally coming together, gaining an identity, and rebuilding a name for itself. You can't show someone who you are if you, yourself, don't know who you are. I've found myself questioning who exactly this team is many times this season. That's a big problem.
/End rant
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sadly its not up to Rondo and hin increased role and PP and KG and their own decreased role
its up to the others...............hope that works
hope they got the message
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It's an example of how much more physical play was back in the 80's and early 90's. If something like that happened today, you'd have technical fouls, ejections, fines, multiple game suspensions, and tons of outrage from all the broadcasters and analysts about how it was a horribly cheap shot and how lucky it is that Rambis wasn't paralyzed or killed or even worse. At the time of the incident, though, all that happened was that McHale got whistled for a foul and Rambis shot free throws. No techs, no ejections, nothing. Boston was trailing by six when the foul occurred, but they went on to win in OT and took the series in 7 games.
Edgar says: I am not saying thats all right...I am just saying its a game and its impossible as in mision imposible not to do that, when you are there playing for something u love. temperament always come to surface and usually happens
its tough its easy to critizice if youre in LA or brook side here its imposible if youre on the other side
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Edgar that is a remarkably rational and accurate answer. Tp!
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I'd also say all that '80s game would've just been a hard foul, people are too sensitive and why does Pepsi taste different now and how come kids listen to hippidy hop??' stuff, it's the way games work. Rugby union just outlawed their most electrifying hits, football used to not call you 'down' until 3 guys were burying your corpse, and if you happened to run out of bounds on the opposing teams sideline, you were gonna find out quick what a clothesline is. It's the nature of the games we play. They get safer, mostly.
Did you guys know Teddy Roosevelt tried reallly hard to abolish football, because people kept dying, during the games?
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Meh. Just because something "just is" doesn't make it right.
I don't see any good reason to make sports "safer". I WANT my sports to be "gladiator" in nature. That is part of the entertainment value. Players have the choice to not play if they feel the sport is too dangerous (though I guess I could just stop watching as well).
Asking players to be able to draw the line between being hyper-competitive, but, at the same time, asking them to curtail the "overly physical, confrontational contact" is absurd. Intensity is a switch that is not easily turned on/off during the heat of the moment.
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Meh. Just because something "just is" doesn't make it right.
I don't see any good reason to make sports "safer". I WANT my sports to be "gladiator" in nature. That is part of the entertainment value. Players have the choice to not play if they feel the sport is too dangerous (though I guess I could just stop watching as well).
Asking players to be able to draw the line between being hyper-competitive, but, at the same time, asking them to curtail the "overly physical, confrontational contact" is absurd. Intensity is a switch that is not easily turned on/off during the heat of the moment.
As a spectator, I agree with you. I love fights, hard fouls, helicopter hits, helmet to helmet contact, and again, FIGHTS.
As a former and current player, I'm very happy for the rules, because the toll they take on the players is just too great.
Now Rondo's little kerfuffle is hardly on that level, but what if one of the punches he did or didn't throw had shattered Humpty hump's face? People demonized Kermit Washington, but it was one hard sucker punch. Could've ended in nothing. Could've just knocked Rudy T on his behind and left it at that.
But it didn't, and the palace happened, and thems the rules.
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I don't care if he gets suspended for 10 games. It's about time a Celtic stepped up and protected themselves and sent notice to the League we are not going to be whipping boys anymore. KG, Pierce and Rondo have been getting roughed up for years now. HOORAY CELTS.
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I don't care if he gets suspended for 10 games. It's about time a Celtic stepped up and protected themselves and sent notice to the League we are not going to be whipping boys anymore. KG, Pierce and Rondo have been getting roughed up for years now. HOORAY CELTS.
I'm not sure I agree with the "notice to the league" stuff, but I do think that his teammates got a boost of passion from Rondo's actions. This team needed something to roust them from their early season slumber.
Let's hope they can stay awake for a little while.
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I don't care if he gets suspended for 10 games. It's about time a Celtic stepped up and protected themselves and sent notice to the League we are not going to be whipping boys anymore. KG, Pierce and Rondo have been getting roughed up for years now. HOORAY CELTS.
I'm not sure I agree with the "notice to the league" stuff, but I do think that his teammates got a boost of passion from Rondo's actions. This team needed something to roust them from their early season slumber.
Let's hope they can stay awake for a little while.
This is what I think. Seeing Rondo go out there, give up his assist streak, and go after Humphries when KG went down was a great way to send a message to the new guys and light a fire underneath the squad.
I think it'll only spark more when Avery is back pressuring the point guard full court all game.
Can't wait till our defense starts clicking consistently.
We have so many scorers that we will be a nightmare team to face come playoff time.
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This is what I think. Seeing Rondo go out there, give up his assist streak, and go after Humphries when KG went down was a great way to send a message to the new guys and light a fire underneath the squad.
I think it'll only spark more when Avery is back pressuring the point guard full court all game.
Can't wait till our defense starts clicking consistently.
We have so many scorers that we will be a nightmare team to face come playoff time.
TP, I agree with this, except that I think if Lee's defense keeps improving, (I have been impressed with Lee's defense we may be able to do it without Bradley. It would be better with Bradley and he is the best option, but I am not willing to count on him until he is actually on the court and proves that he can play at or near last year's form.
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I am Rondo's biggest fan and cheerleader, but I am interested in how the team does without him, and curious about the team's fit and execution when he comes back.
It may be that Rondo has not changed his game to fit his new team mates, and that would have to be addressed.
Maybe he is still relying too much on, or deferring to, PP and KG.
I still think Rondo is the best point guard in the league, and am NOT suggesting that we trade him, just make game adjustments! ;)