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Title: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: cman88 on November 24, 2012, 11:28:45 AM
they mentioned it on NBA tv, but THAT is the Jeff Green we need every game for us to be an elite team...now i'm not saying he needs to give us 17ppg, but 8-10shots, 10-13PPg is what we need from him off the bench night in/night out.

I hope last night clicked something in his head. because he seemed to come out with a different mindset of "attack, attack" I think he'll get it

the other positive is it keeps Pierce on the bench. I don't think its any coincidence that he came out and looked fresh/dominated in the fourth after getting some solid rest.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on November 24, 2012, 12:26:38 PM
More concerted effort has to be made to give him touches. Early in the ball game, our ball movement was awful. Rondo was eating the clock and Pierce didn't make a single pass in the 1st quarter.

After that it seemed like the ball was moving better, particularly evident when Rondo was making passes early in the shot-clock, and I think Green was a big beneficiary of this.

And I want to see more of that, more early initiation of our offensive sets.

That said, Green certainly made a better effort to make himself available.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: moiso on November 24, 2012, 12:28:54 PM
It's true.  The Celtics are much better team when Green gives us something.  He looked great on offense last night.  I'm not holding my breath for him consistently playing like last night though.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: Kane3387 on November 24, 2012, 12:29:33 PM
We need a hypnotist to tell him were playing Okc every night.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: Clench123 on November 24, 2012, 12:34:44 PM
For the sake of being disappointed again, I won't get too excited about Jeff Green after one good performance.  I still say we trade him if we can get Gortat, Josh, or Cousins.  His inconsistency can be detrimental to us.  My biggest concern is his effort on the court.  He's been coasting for the majority party of the season.  I still say trade him
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: cman88 on November 24, 2012, 12:43:21 PM
For the sake of being disappointed again, I won't get too excited about Jeff Green after one good performance.  I still say we trade him if we can get Gortat, Josh, or Cousins.  His inconsistency can be detrimental to us.  My biggest concern is his effort on the court.  He's been coasting for the majority party of the season.  I still say trade him

you want Pierce playing 48-minutes a night? who is our backup SF if we trade green?

green has the potential to give us 10-12ppg a night..and play like he did in OKC. he just has to stay aggressive going to the hoop
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 24, 2012, 01:02:22 PM
I think last night is a clear indicator that whatever problems Jeff has that they are in his head.   The surgery stuff is a joke, because how did he play last night as well as he did if it were the case.   He needs a therapist more than a physical therapist.   Just play aggressive, Jeff.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: wdleehi on November 24, 2012, 01:26:07 PM
For the sake of being disappointed again, I won't get too excited about Jeff Green after one good performance.  I still say we trade him if we can get Gortat, Josh, or Cousins.  His inconsistency can be detrimental to us.  My biggest concern is his effort on the court.  He's been coasting for the majority party of the season.  I still say trade him

you want Pierce playing 48-minutes a night? who is our backup SF if we trade green?

green has the potential to give us 10-12ppg a night..and play like he did in OKC. he just has to stay aggressive going to the hoop


The Celtics find someone.



Green has talent.  He doesn't have the mindset to use that talent every night.  And we haven't seen the mindset where he turns it on in a big moment. 
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: Jon on November 24, 2012, 01:41:49 PM
For the sake of being disappointed again, I won't get too excited about Jeff Green after one good performance.  I still say we trade him if we can get Gortat, Josh, or Cousins.  His inconsistency can be detrimental to us.  My biggest concern is his effort on the court.  He's been coasting for the majority party of the season.  I still say trade him

you want Pierce playing 48-minutes a night? who is our backup SF if we trade green?

green has the potential to give us 10-12ppg a night..and play like he did in OKC. he just has to stay aggressive going to the hoop


The Celtics find someone.



Green has talent.  He doesn't have the mindset to use that talent every night.  And we haven't seen the mindset where he turns it on in a big moment.

Maybe.  But it doesn't help that he's playing limited minutes still and that he's on a pretty short leash.  If he gets hot, Doc plays him more minutes.  But if he misses a few shots, he could end up playing 15 minutes in a game or less.  That certainly doesn't help instill confidence in a player looking to get things going. 

I think it would definitely benefit Green if Doc decided to play him 25-30 mpg no matter what.  I don't know, however, if that would benefit the team as a whole.  And it's certainly easier said than done given this team's depth and the fact that Paul Pierce still is the force that he is. 
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: blastoidesroidsnoids on November 24, 2012, 01:46:58 PM
More concerted effort has to be made to give him touches. Early in the ball game, our ball movement was awful. Rondo was eating the clock and Pierce didn't make a single pass in the 1st quarter.

After that it seemed like the ball was moving better, particularly evident when Rondo was making passes early in the shot-clock, and I think Green was a big beneficiary of this.

And I want to see more of that, more early initiation of our offensive sets.

That said, Green certainly made a better effort to make himself available.
I dont even think we have to run plays for him. All the times he scored were possessions where a play wasnt called for him, and he didnt even score the 2 times Doc called for him to get the ball. He seems to be a really good instinct player, we just need him to be as hungry for the ball as he was last night.  It was amazing to see him backing down his defender and raising an arm to call for the ball.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: mrpoundforpound on November 24, 2012, 01:48:35 PM
To all the Jeff Green haters time to eat some crow. 17 points off the bench! Green is looking like an absolute steal right now and the top 1-2 player on the celtics in the future.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: moiso on November 24, 2012, 01:50:46 PM
For the sake of being disappointed again, I won't get too excited about Jeff Green after one good performance.  I still say we trade him if we can get Gortat, Josh, or Cousins.  His inconsistency can be detrimental to us.  My biggest concern is his effort on the court.  He's been coasting for the majority party of the season.  I still say trade him

you want Pierce playing 48-minutes a night? who is our backup SF if we trade green?

green has the potential to give us 10-12ppg a night..and play like he did in OKC. he just has to stay aggressive going to the hoop


The Celtics find someone.



Green has talent.  He doesn't have the mindset to use that talent every night.  And we haven't seen the mindset where he turns it on in a big moment.
Yeah.  There was a play at the end of the 4th where Bass ripped down a tough rebound.  For a split second I thought it was Green and almost pooped my pants because it was so uncharacteristic of Green- being a big moment and being a rebound. 
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: mrpoundforpound on November 24, 2012, 01:52:13 PM
For the sake of being disappointed again, I won't get too excited about Jeff Green after one good performance.  I still say we trade him if we can get Gortat, Josh, or Cousins.  His inconsistency can be detrimental to us.  My biggest concern is his effort on the court.  He's been coasting for the majority party of the season.  I still say trade him

you want Pierce playing 48-minutes a night? who is our backup SF if we trade green?

green has the potential to give us 10-12ppg a night..and play like he did in OKC. he just has to stay aggressive going to the hoop


The Celtics find someone.



Green has talent.  He doesn't have the mindset to use that talent every night.  And we haven't seen the mindset where he turns it on in a big moment.
Yeah.  There was a play at the end of the 4th where Bass ripped down a tough rebound.  For a split second I thought it was Green and almost pooped my pants because it was so uncharacteristic of Green- being a big moment and being a rebound.

After watching his talent and potential i dare you to name someone with a much better contract than green this year?
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: jowwwman on November 24, 2012, 02:05:47 PM
For the sake of being disappointed again, I won't get too excited about Jeff Green after one good performance.  I still say we trade him if we can get Gortat, Josh, or Cousins.  His inconsistency can be detrimental to us.  My biggest concern is his effort on the court.  He's been coasting for the majority party of the season.  I still say trade him

you want Pierce playing 48-minutes a night? who is our backup SF if we trade green?

green has the potential to give us 10-12ppg a night..and play like he did in OKC. he just has to stay aggressive going to the hoop


The Celtics find someone.



Green has talent.  He doesn't have the mindset to use that talent every night.  And we haven't seen the mindset where he turns it on in a big moment.
Yeah.  There was a play at the end of the 4th where Bass ripped down a tough rebound.  For a split second I thought it was Green and almost pooped my pants because it was so uncharacteristic of Green- being a big moment and being a rebound.

After watching his talent and potential i dare you to name someone with a much better contract than green this year?

Green played well last night. If he can consistently contribute like a Carl Landry with 15/7 off the bench, while providing clutch 4th quarter scoring like Landry he will be worth it. Btw Landry's contract is 2 years/4 million so I think that is a bit less than Green's.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: mrpoundforpound on November 24, 2012, 02:10:29 PM


JG has allstar potential. THere is a reason he was drafted number 5 and carl landy was undrafted. plus landry is on one of the worst teams in the league- the warriors. green should be better than him i believe
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: blastoidesroidsnoids on November 24, 2012, 02:15:15 PM
For the record he said in his postgame interview that he is not yet 100 percent back yet.  I think thats a good sign to expect him down the road to produce this much more often, and that we'll see even better nights from him than last.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on November 24, 2012, 02:33:14 PM
Well, so far he's been key in us beating CHI(road), MIL(road), UTAH and now OKC - all probable playoff teams, with OKC being our 1st "elite" team win.

I'm happy for him and BOS.

That win last night was a perfect post-Thanksgiving turkey meal. :)

One game at a time, Super 8 - one game at a time.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: MJohnnyboy on November 24, 2012, 02:52:19 PM


JG has allstar potential. THere is a reason he was drafted number 5 and carl landy was undrafted. plus landry is on one of the worst teams in the league- the warriors. green should be better than him i believe

1. I was encouraged by Green's play last night and I have high hopes for him but it's one game. Let's not pile up the expectations.

2. Landry was the first player drafted in the 2nd round in 2007.

3. Landry's had a better statistical year in just four more minutes of play on average than Green.

4. The Warriors are 7-6, which is the same record as the Celtics right now. Don't think that really qualifies for one of the worst teams in the league.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: alajet on November 24, 2012, 02:57:16 PM


JG has allstar potential. THere is a reason he was drafted number 5 and carl landy was undrafted. plus landry is on one of the worst teams in the league- the warriors. green should be better than him i believe

1. I was encouraged by Green's play last night and I have high hopes for him but it's one game. Let's not pile up the expectations.

2. Landry was the first player drafted in the 2nd round in 2007.

3. Landry's had a better statistical year in just four more minutes of play on average than Green.

4. The Warriors are 7-6, which is the same record as the Celtics right now. Don't think that really qualifies for one of the worst teams in the league.

Add in the fact that draft positions generally have got little to do with how a player pans out, unless the player we're talking about is a superstar or a total bust.

Not that I'd pick Landry over Green or vice versa, but number 2 and number 4 are just facts. Nothing to argue about.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: cman88 on November 24, 2012, 02:58:52 PM
its still very early into the season, so I don't think you can say that Green cant turn it around and start to give us performances like that consistently

we just need him to be like he was in OKC...I think he's looked like he's not quite sure what his role should be/lacking confidence

Doc supposedly talked to him before last nights game. Hopefully thats what got him going.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: j804 on November 24, 2012, 03:10:01 PM
Well, so far he's been key in us beating CHI(road), MIL(road), UTAH and now OKC - all probable playoff teams, with OKC being our 1st "elite" team win.

I'm happy for him and BOS.

That win last night was a perfect post-Thanksgiving turkey meal. :)

One game at a time, Super 8 - one game at a time.
If and when Green plays well I like our chances against ANYBODY
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: JBone4eva on November 24, 2012, 03:25:12 PM
I think last night is a clear indicator that whatever problems Jeff has that they are in his head.   The surgery stuff is a joke, because how did he play last night as well as he did if it were the case.   He needs a therapist more than a physical therapist.   Just play aggressive, Jeff.

I'm of the mindset that Jeff needs to play alot more aggressively too, but the surgery stuff definitely isn't a joke.  Think of how after tearing an ACL the mind usually needs a year to completely trust the knee after its structurally sound.  Imagine how long it takes the mind after heart surgery to trust your entire body, when a couple months ago you were hardly able to walk.  I think people neglect the gravity of heart surgery, and how taxing the recuperative process is with it.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: AB_Celtic on November 24, 2012, 03:26:19 PM
I think last night is a clear indicator that whatever problems Jeff has that they are in his head.   The surgery stuff is a joke, because how did he play last night as well as he did if it were the case.   He needs a therapist more than a physical therapist.   Just play aggressive, Jeff.

I'm of the mindset that Jeff needs to play alot more aggressively too, but the surgery stuff definitely isn't a joke.  Think of how after tearing an ACL the mind usually needs a year to completely trust the knee after its structurally sound.  Imagine how long it takes the mind after heart surgery to trust your entire body, when a couple months ago you were hardly able to walk.  I think people neglect the gravity of heart surgery, and how taxing the recuperative process is with it.

TP
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: MJohnnyboy on November 24, 2012, 03:31:36 PM


JG has allstar potential. THere is a reason he was drafted number 5 and carl landy was undrafted. plus landry is on one of the worst teams in the league- the warriors. green should be better than him i believe

1. I was encouraged by Green's play last night and I have high hopes for him but it's one game. Let's not pile up the expectations.

2. Landry was the first player drafted in the 2nd round in 2007.

3. Landry's had a better statistical year in just four more minutes of play on average than Green.

4. The Warriors are 7-6, which is the same record as the Celtics right now. Don't think that really qualifies for one of the worst teams in the league.

Add in the fact that draft positions generally have got little to do with how a player pans out, unless the player we're talking about is a superstar or a total bust.

Not that I'd pick Landry over Green or vice versa, but number 2 and number 4 are just facts. Nothing to argue about.

Yeah I know, the poster I responded to said Landry was undrafted, which isn't true, and the Warriors were one of the worst teams in the league, whose record indicates otherwise. I wasn't trying to argue who was better or not between Green or Landry just stating a few facts. And number 3 is also a fact because Landry is averaging 15/7 in 26 mins while Green is averaging 9/3 in 22 mins.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on November 24, 2012, 03:40:34 PM
we'll be a scary team if Green can play wit last night's aggression EVERY game. dude can score from all ova da court he has talent (which is why iont get how people on here call him a bum) he just plays too timid a lot hopefully he can build from last nights game
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: vinnie on November 24, 2012, 03:45:30 PM
To all the Jeff Green haters time to eat some crow. 17 points off the bench! Green is looking like an absolute steal right now and the top 1-2 player on the celtics in the future.

1. Not a hater, just do not think he is a great or even very good player.

2. He had one good game and he has played well in 3 out of 13 games this season.

3. I don't think a place is being held for him in the hall of fame/

4. A steal?  ::)
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: KGs Knee on November 24, 2012, 03:53:40 PM
Until Green can play like he did last night consistently, which is something he has not done in his time in Boston, I will be highly skeptical he ever will be able to.

At what point does untapped potential finally just become an inability?  For me, I'd say this is the year.  He just has never proven to be consistently capable.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: cman88 on November 24, 2012, 04:04:46 PM
I think that once he becomes comfortable in his role and what the Celtics want from him, he will play with more consistency.

let's see if he can build on last night tomorrow against the magic.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: AB_Celtic on November 24, 2012, 04:07:40 PM
To all the Jeff Green haters time to eat some crow. 17 points off the bench! Green is looking like an absolute steal right now and the top 1-2 player on the celtics in the future.

1. Not a hater, just do not think he is a great or even very good player.

2. He had one good game and he has played well in 3 out of 13 games this season.

3. I don't think a place is being held for him in the hall of fame/

4. A steal?  ::)

Yeah, a steal at 9mil? I don't think so. Rondo's a steal at 11mil. But he's our best player...
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on November 24, 2012, 04:14:54 PM
To all the Jeff Green haters time to eat some crow. 17 points off the bench! Green is looking like an absolute steal right now and the top 1-2 player on the celtics in the future.

1. Not a hater, just do not think he is a great or even very good player.

2. He had one good game and he has played well in 3 out of 13 games this season.

3. I don't think a place is being held for him in the hall of fame/

4. A steal?  ::)

Oh C'mon, Vinnie :)

Can you AT LEAST take into account the fact that, as blastoidesroidsnoids stated - the man is STILL healing?

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSu5KKW1TT6sOXoRbhiMyYh748LgeUN1Ga9cztxSi540Blsp-a8ww)

I know that it's STILL taking me time to get back to normal after my achilles surgery, and it's been a yr and a half.

I'm no doctor by any stretch, but I'm guessing heart surgery will take just as long to recuperate?

And, for me - I can't focus on just Jeff Green playing well in a particular game, because just about the entire team has seemingly been in a funk for a bit.

Yes - Jeff Green has been inconsistent. Yes - he IS getting paid a LOT...BUT:

The book isn't finished, yet.

And I bet no one thought James Worthy was going to be in the HOF either at one time. And JW never played out of position for the Magic and Kareem Lakers, either.

The man has overcome a lot.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: ACF on November 24, 2012, 04:34:30 PM


(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSu5KKW1TT6sOXoRbhiMyYh748LgeUN1Ga9cztxSi540Blsp-a8ww)


The book isn't finished, yet.






(http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/2222383/82326283.jpg)
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: pearljammer10 on November 24, 2012, 04:49:54 PM
We gotta get him minutes. We he plays 25 plus, he is effective and we end up playing well.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: Norcalceltic on November 24, 2012, 05:05:40 PM
I think the thread title should be "when Jeff Green actually gets to play, he has a chance to play well." The guy plays 22 minutes a game and takes 7 shots a game and people expect him to be a factor? Plus, when he's on the floor with Paul, he'e the invisible man. He gets burned on defense, but our starting front line has been getting torched this season (especially Bass). Jeff's problem is Paul is going to get the minutes at SF, and there isn't a legit backup Center to play with when he's at PF to protect the rim. The way people talk about him on this board is funny. I don't think he gets enough playing time to impact the game positively or negatively, unless it's a game like yesterday where he actually *gasp* got some run. :D
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: Professor of Rondology on November 24, 2012, 05:38:14 PM
We have two SFs, and both are talented enough to play 30 mpg.  We ought to seriously consider novel ways to utilize the talent we have at this position.

Paul Pierce is a bad ass mf who can take over a game in flash when he wants to- he is one of the best scorers in the league when he is getting after it.  He has a tendency to coast at times but easily switches into assassin-mode whenever it is necessary.  He's a 35 year old who's played over 1000 games and has become increasingly injury-prone as he's aged.

Jeff Green is not the (future HOF) player Paul is, but certainly has starter-level talent.  He has elite athleticism and a very solid all-around game.  If we are to make a run at Banner 18, we need him to fully utilize his talent.  The main issue so far is his inability to make his presence felt in short stints off the bench.  Jeff plays best when he lets the game come to him (Doc said that Jeff failed to convert on the 2 occasions we ran a play for him in his breakout performance), so we need to find a way to give him more opportunities within the natural flow of the game.

To me, all of this points to one solution- Jeff Green starts and Pierce becomes the best 6th man in the league.  Paul's cold-blooded-killer attitude is perfect for that role, and Jeff's nice-guy demeanor is more fitting for life in the starting lineup.  Additionally, Pierce absolutely needs to be 100% for us to have a shot in the playoffs- last night was a good reminder of that- and bringing him off the bench significantly reduces the likelihood of injury.

I dunno how the Truth would feel about this, but I think it warrants some experimentation.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: alajet on November 24, 2012, 06:38:18 PM
We have two SFs, and both are talented enough to play 30 mpg.  We ought to seriously consider novel ways to utilize the talent we have at this position.

Paul Pierce is a bad ass mf who can take over a game in flash when he wants to- he is one of the best scorers in the league when he is getting after it.  He has a tendency to coast at times but easily switches into assassin-mode whenever it is necessary.  He's a 35 year old who's played over 1000 games and has become increasingly injury-prone as he's aged.

Well, I don't know if we should really say he's injury prone. Aside from 2006-2007 season, in which he missed 35 games, he missed 40 games in 13 other seasons and in recent years, he sat out a couple before the play-offs to get rest.
It sounds pretty durable to me.

Jeff Green is not the (future HOF) player Paul is, but certainly has starter-level talent.  He has elite athleticism and a very solid all-around game.  If we are to make a run at Banner 18, we need him to fully utilize his talent.  The main issue so far is his inability to make his presence felt in short stints off the bench.  Jeff plays best when he lets the game come to him (Doc said that Jeff failed to convert on the 2 occasions we ran a play for him in his breakout performance), so we need to find a way to give him more opportunities within the natural flow of the game.

Green has the physical tools to be a starter in NBA, but he hasn't shown the mental dedication and attachment needed in his entire career, be it in Oklahoma or Boston.
The real point of the natural flow thing is when you're getting your points off those plays, that means you're in that game mentally, not just physically.
When it's just a couple of isolations run for you, you play them through and in the next possession, just stand aside, knowing that it's not going to be your turn.
Now, I know isolations for Paul Pierce are frequently played, but there is a difference. Firstly, he's the go-to player of this team. And secondly, you have got to limit the number of players going off for isolations. You can only afford one or two players to play them, and for this team, they're Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett.
 
To me, all of this points to one solution- Jeff Green starts and Pierce becomes the best 6th man in the league.  Paul's cold-blooded-killer attitude is perfect for that role, and Jeff's nice-guy demeanor is more fitting for life in the starting lineup.  Additionally, Pierce absolutely needs to be 100% for us to have a shot in the playoffs- last night was a good reminder of that- and bringing him off the bench significantly reduces the likelihood of injury.

Interesting idea.
If Paul comes off the bench, that means a lessened job for the likes of James or Durant on the defensive end, because Green isn't going to force it as much as Paul does.
On the other hand, there aren't going to be many bench players existing who can deal with Paul's offensive tricks.
Manu Ginobili is arguably the most creative and versatile player in the Spurs roster and plays off the bench.
So, I wouldn't think the captain would feel ashamed to come off the bench, but for that to happen, Jeff Green needs to provide more good games to make Doc believe that he could handle the starting spot.


Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: dark_lord on November 24, 2012, 07:09:32 PM

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSu5KKW1TT6sOXoRbhiMyYh748LgeUN1Ga9cztxSi540Blsp-a8ww)


such an awesome picture!  to be honest, im pretty disappointed in his play, but i see potential and am rooting for the guy.  he scares me tho.....he strikes me as a guy, even if he plays well for the season, would turtle in the postseason.  he doesn't have that killer instinct imo
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: mrpoundforpound on November 24, 2012, 07:37:26 PM


JG has allstar potential. THere is a reason he was drafted number 5 and carl landy was undrafted. plus landry is on one of the worst teams in the league- the warriors. green should be better than him i believe

1. I was encouraged by Green's play last night and I have high hopes for him but it's one game. Let's not pile up the expectations.

2. Landry was the first player drafted in the 2nd round in 2007.

3. Landry's had a better statistical year in just four more minutes of play on average than Green.

4. The Warriors are 7-6, which is the same record as the Celtics right now. Don't think that really qualifies for one of the worst teams in the league.

Add in the fact that draft positions generally have got little to do with how a player pans out, unless the player we're talking about is a superstar or a total bust.

Not that I'd pick Landry over Green or vice versa, but number 2 and number 4 are just facts. Nothing to argue about.

Yeah I know, the poster I responded to said Landry was undrafted, which isn't true, and the Warriors were one of the worst teams in the league, whose record indicates otherwise. I wasn't trying to argue who was better or not between Green or Landry just stating a few facts. And number 3 is also a fact because Landry is averaging 15/7 in 26 mins while Green is averaging 9/3 in 22 mins.

Landry is only scoring more since the warriors have no other options whereas doc rivers never lets Jeff shoot the ball. Anyone can average 15 if they jack up many shots and are relied on to score for their team. once pierce gets old jeff green will score more than that.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: syfy9 on November 24, 2012, 07:58:33 PM


JG has allstar potential. THere is a reason he was drafted number 5 and carl landy was undrafted. plus landry is on one of the worst teams in the league- the warriors. green should be better than him i believe

1. I was encouraged by Green's play last night and I have high hopes for him but it's one game. Let's not pile up the expectations.

2. Landry was the first player drafted in the 2nd round in 2007.

3. Landry's had a better statistical year in just four more minutes of play on average than Green.

4. The Warriors are 7-6, which is the same record as the Celtics right now. Don't think that really qualifies for one of the worst teams in the league.

Add in the fact that draft positions generally have got little to do with how a player pans out, unless the player we're talking about is a superstar or a total bust.

Not that I'd pick Landry over Green or vice versa, but number 2 and number 4 are just facts. Nothing to argue about.

Yeah I know, the poster I responded to said Landry was undrafted, which isn't true, and the Warriors were one of the worst teams in the league, whose record indicates otherwise. I wasn't trying to argue who was better or not between Green or Landry just stating a few facts. And number 3 is also a fact because Landry is averaging 15/7 in 26 mins while Green is averaging 9/3 in 22 mins.

Landry is only scoring more since the warriors have no other options whereas doc rivers never lets Jeff shoot the ball. Anyone can average 15 if they jack up many shots and are relied on to score for their team. once pierce gets old jeff green will score more than that.

Landry is not "jacking" up anything. He's averaging 59.6% FG% at 9.2 attempts per game. Jeff Green is averaging only 2 less attempts than him and averaging 44.1 FG%. Another thing is that Landry isn't playing with the best passing PG in the league. While he's playing in an up-tempo system; you can't compare playing with Steve Nash and playing in Mike D'Antoni's system.

Plus, Landry is 4th on his team in field goal attempts.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/gsw/stats?sort=nba.stat_type.4 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/gsw/stats?sort=nba.stat_type.4)

I do believe that Green has more potential, but as of right now, Landry would help this team a lot more than Green is currently doing.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: jdz101 on November 24, 2012, 08:12:51 PM


JG has allstar potential. THere is a reason he was drafted number 5 and carl landy was undrafted. plus landry is on one of the worst teams in the league- the warriors. green should be better than him i believe

1. I was encouraged by Green's play last night and I have high hopes for him but it's one game. Let's not pile up the expectations.

2. Landry was the first player drafted in the 2nd round in 2007.

3. Landry's had a better statistical year in just four more minutes of play on average than Green.

4. The Warriors are 7-6, which is the same record as the Celtics right now. Don't think that really qualifies for one of the worst teams in the league.

Add in the fact that draft positions generally have got little to do with how a player pans out, unless the player we're talking about is a superstar or a total bust.

Not that I'd pick Landry over Green or vice versa, but number 2 and number 4 are just facts. Nothing to argue about.

Yeah I know, the poster I responded to said Landry was undrafted, which isn't true, and the Warriors were one of the worst teams in the league, whose record indicates otherwise. I wasn't trying to argue who was better or not between Green or Landry just stating a few facts. And number 3 is also a fact because Landry is averaging 15/7 in 26 mins while Green is averaging 9/3 in 22 mins.

Landry is only scoring more since the warriors have no other options whereas doc rivers never lets Jeff shoot the ball. Anyone can average 15 if they jack up many shots and are relied on to score for their team. once pierce gets old jeff green will score more than that.

Landry is not "jacking" up anything. He's averaging 59.6% FG% at 9.2 attempts per game. Jeff Green is averaging only 2 less attempts than him and averaging 44.1 FG%. Another thing is that Landry isn't playing with the best passing PG in the league. While he's playing in an up-tempo system; you can't compare playing with Steve Nash and playing in Mike D'Antoni's system.

Plus, Landry is 4th on his team in field goal attempts.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/gsw/stats?sort=nba.stat_type.4 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/gsw/stats?sort=nba.stat_type.4)

I do believe that Green has more potential, but as of right now, Landry would help this team a lot more than Green is currently doing.

How many times have I got to say this.... Fans get excited or pine after a guy that scores this much or assists that much on another team, just to have him come to Boston and score a whole bunch less. This is because PAUL, KEVIN, AND RONDO get the touches and the plays run for them. Jeff green had two plays run for him last night. Two. In the Denver - Golden State game I reckon the warriors went to Landry on the post a good 7 or 8 straight times and cleared that side of the floor for him. They certainly didn't win the game either.

Landry is the type of dude that seems to hang around and get contracts with the sacramentos and the golden states because he knows he will get a lot of touches on a crap team.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: jowwwman on November 24, 2012, 08:22:55 PM


JG has allstar potential. THere is a reason he was drafted number 5 and carl landy was undrafted. plus landry is on one of the worst teams in the league- the warriors. green should be better than him i believe

1. I was encouraged by Green's play last night and I have high hopes for him but it's one game. Let's not pile up the expectations.

2. Landry was the first player drafted in the 2nd round in 2007.

3. Landry's had a better statistical year in just four more minutes of play on average than Green.

4. The Warriors are 7-6, which is the same record as the Celtics right now. Don't think that really qualifies for one of the worst teams in the league.

Add in the fact that draft positions generally have got little to do with how a player pans out, unless the player we're talking about is a superstar or a total bust.

Not that I'd pick Landry over Green or vice versa, but number 2 and number 4 are just facts. Nothing to argue about.

Yeah I know, the poster I responded to said Landry was undrafted, which isn't true, and the Warriors were one of the worst teams in the league, whose record indicates otherwise. I wasn't trying to argue who was better or not between Green or Landry just stating a few facts. And number 3 is also a fact because Landry is averaging 15/7 in 26 mins while Green is averaging 9/3 in 22 mins.

Landry is only scoring more since the warriors have no other options whereas doc rivers never lets Jeff shoot the ball. Anyone can average 15 if they jack up many shots and are relied on to score for their team. once pierce gets old jeff green will score more than that.

Landry is not "jacking" up anything. He's averaging 59.6% FG% at 9.2 attempts per game. Jeff Green is averaging only 2 less attempts than him and averaging 44.1 FG%. Another thing is that Landry isn't playing with the best passing PG in the league. While he's playing in an up-tempo system; you can't compare playing with Steve Nash and playing in Mike D'Antoni's system.

Plus, Landry is 4th on his team in field goal attempts.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/gsw/stats?sort=nba.stat_type.4 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/gsw/stats?sort=nba.stat_type.4)

I do believe that Green has more potential, but as of right now, Landry would help this team a lot more than Green is currently doing.

How many times have I got to say this.... Fans get excited or pine after a guy that scores this much or assists that much on another team, just to have him come to Boston and score a whole bunch less. This is because PAUL, KEVIN, AND RONDO get the touches and the plays run for them. Jeff green had two plays run for him last night. Two. In the Denver - Golden State game I reckon the warriors went to Landry on the post a good 7 or 8 straight times and cleared that side of the floor for him. They certainly didn't win the game either.

Landry is the type of dude that seems to hang around and get contracts with the sacramentos and the golden states because he knows he will get a lot of touches on a crap team.

I wouldn't say they are a crap team. They have the same record as we do and play in a much tougher conference. Most importantly Landry singlehandedly helped the warriors win 3 games by scoring more than 10 points and grabbing key offensive rebounds in each of those fourth quarters while scoring very efficiently. He steps up when it counts and was easily the second best player on the hornets team when they took the lakers to 7 games two years ago. What has Jeff Green ever done in the playoffs?

I don't get why you are knocking the guy's game if he is scoring efficiently and getting more rebounds than your man jeff green.(who by the way is making much more than him) Yeah he played on some bad teams but I would like to see you replace him with Jeff Green and get some different result.

I live in the bay area so I watch the warriors play and know that this guy works his butt off to hustle for loose balls and rebounds which is much more than I can say for Green.

What proof do you have that Green is better if their game and stats show otherwise? And before you rely on the old heart surgery excuse, Landry was having a career year before being shot in the leg maybe that takes some time to recover from too.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: jdz101 on November 24, 2012, 11:08:38 PM


JG has allstar potential. THere is a reason he was drafted number 5 and carl landy was undrafted. plus landry is on one of the worst teams in the league- the warriors. green should be better than him i believe

1. I was encouraged by Green's play last night and I have high hopes for him but it's one game. Let's not pile up the expectations.

2. Landry was the first player drafted in the 2nd round in 2007.

3. Landry's had a better statistical year in just four more minutes of play on average than Green.

4. The Warriors are 7-6, which is the same record as the Celtics right now. Don't think that really qualifies for one of the worst teams in the league.

Add in the fact that draft positions generally have got little to do with how a player pans out, unless the player we're talking about is a superstar or a total bust.

Not that I'd pick Landry over Green or vice versa, but number 2 and number 4 are just facts. Nothing to argue about.

Yeah I know, the poster I responded to said Landry was undrafted, which isn't true, and the Warriors were one of the worst teams in the league, whose record indicates otherwise. I wasn't trying to argue who was better or not between Green or Landry just stating a few facts. And number 3 is also a fact because Landry is averaging 15/7 in 26 mins while Green is averaging 9/3 in 22 mins.

Landry is only scoring more since the warriors have no other options whereas doc rivers never lets Jeff shoot the ball. Anyone can average 15 if they jack up many shots and are relied on to score for their team. once pierce gets old jeff green will score more than that.

Landry is not "jacking" up anything. He's averaging 59.6% FG% at 9.2 attempts per game. Jeff Green is averaging only 2 less attempts than him and averaging 44.1 FG%. Another thing is that Landry isn't playing with the best passing PG in the league. While he's playing in an up-tempo system; you can't compare playing with Steve Nash and playing in Mike D'Antoni's system.

Plus, Landry is 4th on his team in field goal attempts.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/gsw/stats?sort=nba.stat_type.4 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/gsw/stats?sort=nba.stat_type.4)

I do believe that Green has more potential, but as of right now, Landry would help this team a lot more than Green is currently doing.

How many times have I got to say this.... Fans get excited or pine after a guy that scores this much or assists that much on another team, just to have him come to Boston and score a whole bunch less. This is because PAUL, KEVIN, AND RONDO get the touches and the plays run for them. Jeff green had two plays run for him last night. Two. In the Denver - Golden State game I reckon the warriors went to Landry on the post a good 7 or 8 straight times and cleared that side of the floor for him. They certainly didn't win the game either.

Landry is the type of dude that seems to hang around and get contracts with the sacramentos and the golden states because he knows he will get a lot of touches on a crap team.

I wouldn't say they are a crap team. They have the same record as we do and play in a much tougher conference. Most importantly Landry singlehandedly helped the warriors win 3 games by scoring more than 10 points and grabbing key offensive rebounds in each of those fourth quarters while scoring very efficiently. He steps up when it counts and was easily the second best player on the hornets team when they took the lakers to 7 games two years ago. What has Jeff Green ever done in the playoffs?

I don't get why you are knocking the guy's game if he is scoring efficiently and getting more rebounds than your man jeff green.(who by the way is making much more than him) Yeah he played on some bad teams but I would like to see you replace him with Jeff Green and get some different result.

I live in the bay area so I watch the warriors play and know that this guy works his butt off to hustle for loose balls and rebounds which is much more than I can say for Green.

What proof do you have that Green is better if their game and stats show otherwise? And before you rely on the old heart surgery excuse, Landry was having a career year before being shot in the leg maybe that takes some time to recover from too.

How is Jeff green my guy? All I said was Landry definitely isn't.

I guarantee you if Carl Landry took a contract from Boston or Oklahoma city he would not be a 15/5 guy off the bench, because he wouldn't be getting clearouts 5 times a game.

And by the way if you're talking about playing with good point guards. Landry played with Chris Paul in new orleans, the ultimate drive and dish player.

Landry is a pretty crafty guy under the basket and can use his body, but he's not a sixth man for a contending team and his D is average at best.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: syfy9 on November 24, 2012, 11:59:42 PM


JG has allstar potential. THere is a reason he was drafted number 5 and carl landy was undrafted. plus landry is on one of the worst teams in the league- the warriors. green should be better than him i believe

1. I was encouraged by Green's play last night and I have high hopes for him but it's one game. Let's not pile up the expectations.

2. Landry was the first player drafted in the 2nd round in 2007.

3. Landry's had a better statistical year in just four more minutes of play on average than Green.

4. The Warriors are 7-6, which is the same record as the Celtics right now. Don't think that really qualifies for one of the worst teams in the league.

Add in the fact that draft positions generally have got little to do with how a player pans out, unless the player we're talking about is a superstar or a total bust.

Not that I'd pick Landry over Green or vice versa, but number 2 and number 4 are just facts. Nothing to argue about.

Yeah I know, the poster I responded to said Landry was undrafted, which isn't true, and the Warriors were one of the worst teams in the league, whose record indicates otherwise. I wasn't trying to argue who was better or not between Green or Landry just stating a few facts. And number 3 is also a fact because Landry is averaging 15/7 in 26 mins while Green is averaging 9/3 in 22 mins.

Landry is only scoring more since the warriors have no other options whereas doc rivers never lets Jeff shoot the ball. Anyone can average 15 if they jack up many shots and are relied on to score for their team. once pierce gets old jeff green will score more than that.

Landry is not "jacking" up anything. He's averaging 59.6% FG% at 9.2 attempts per game. Jeff Green is averaging only 2 less attempts than him and averaging 44.1 FG%. Another thing is that Landry isn't playing with the best passing PG in the league. While he's playing in an up-tempo system; you can't compare playing with Steve Nash and playing in Mike D'Antoni's system.

Plus, Landry is 4th on his team in field goal attempts.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/gsw/stats?sort=nba.stat_type.4 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/gsw/stats?sort=nba.stat_type.4)

I do believe that Green has more potential, but as of right now, Landry would help this team a lot more than Green is currently doing.

How many times have I got to say this.... Fans get excited or pine after a guy that scores this much or assists that much on another team, just to have him come to Boston and score a whole bunch less. This is because PAUL, KEVIN, AND RONDO get the touches and the plays run for them. Jeff green had two plays run for him last night. Two. In the Denver - Golden State game I reckon the warriors went to Landry on the post a good 7 or 8 straight times and cleared that side of the floor for him. They certainly didn't win the game either.

Landry is the type of dude that seems to hang around and get contracts with the sacramentos and the golden states because he knows he will get a lot of touches on a crap team.

I wouldn't say they are a crap team. They have the same record as we do and play in a much tougher conference. Most importantly Landry singlehandedly helped the warriors win 3 games by scoring more than 10 points and grabbing key offensive rebounds in each of those fourth quarters while scoring very efficiently. He steps up when it counts and was easily the second best player on the hornets team when they took the lakers to 7 games two years ago. What has Jeff Green ever done in the playoffs?

I don't get why you are knocking the guy's game if he is scoring efficiently and getting more rebounds than your man jeff green.(who by the way is making much more than him) Yeah he played on some bad teams but I would like to see you replace him with Jeff Green and get some different result.

I live in the bay area so I watch the warriors play and know that this guy works his butt off to hustle for loose balls and rebounds which is much more than I can say for Green.

What proof do you have that Green is better if their game and stats show otherwise? And before you rely on the old heart surgery excuse, Landry was having a career year before being shot in the leg maybe that takes some time to recover from too.

How is Jeff green my guy? All I said was Landry definitely isn't.

I guarantee you if Carl Landry took a contract from Boston or Oklahoma city he would not be a 15/5 guy off the bench, because he wouldn't be getting clearouts 5 times a game.

And by the way if you're talking about playing with good point guards. Landry played with Chris Paul in new orleans, the ultimate drive and dish player.

Landry is a pretty crafty guy under the basket and can use his body, but he's not a sixth man for a contending team and his D is average at best.

The argument was comparing Landry and Green, not how well Landry would do in a contending team. 

If you put Landry in the role that Jeff Green is currently in, he would be somewhere near the 10-15 ppg range, which is very good and better than Green right now.

And the fact that Landry thrived playing with Chris Paul means that he will thrive playing with Rondo.

Also, you said in a previous post, that Landry would get nowhere near the amount of touches. I believe you are 100% right in that regard. However, there's a reason why Green is still averaging over 7 attempts per game despite getting so few touches.

Landry is way more perfect for our team than Green because he doesn't need plays run for him - He'll get his points the same way Green does - through Rondo, double teams from KG/Pierce, fast break, etc, but at a way more efficient rate. 59% FG shooting is not a fluke - get Landry in a good position to score, and he'll score. With the Celtics' personal, they are one of the best executing teams in the NBA. He'd do better than Green is doing.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 25, 2012, 12:28:07 AM
Agree with the OP .   When Green brings his best game , the Celtics look great and are in the thick of the game.  Obviously he was recruited and Paid by Danny to bring this energy on a nightly basis. Gonna be hard to win without Greens best impact on each and every game (just like Pierce)

Bass , Green , and Sully  have to step up their games to take the load off KG and Pierce. They need to play like this all season to give the C's a nice record.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: jowwwman on November 25, 2012, 01:04:38 AM


JG has allstar potential. THere is a reason he was drafted number 5 and carl landy was undrafted. plus landry is on one of the worst teams in the league- the warriors. green should be better than him i believe

1. I was encouraged by Green's play last night and I have high hopes for him but it's one game. Let's not pile up the expectations.

2. Landry was the first player drafted in the 2nd round in 2007.

3. Landry's had a better statistical year in just four more minutes of play on average than Green.

4. The Warriors are 7-6, which is the same record as the Celtics right now. Don't think that really qualifies for one of the worst teams in the league.

Add in the fact that draft positions generally have got little to do with how a player pans out, unless the player we're talking about is a superstar or a total bust.

Not that I'd pick Landry over Green or vice versa, but number 2 and number 4 are just facts. Nothing to argue about.

Yeah I know, the poster I responded to said Landry was undrafted, which isn't true, and the Warriors were one of the worst teams in the league, whose record indicates otherwise. I wasn't trying to argue who was better or not between Green or Landry just stating a few facts. And number 3 is also a fact because Landry is averaging 15/7 in 26 mins while Green is averaging 9/3 in 22 mins.

Landry is only scoring more since the warriors have no other options whereas doc rivers never lets Jeff shoot the ball. Anyone can average 15 if they jack up many shots and are relied on to score for their team. once pierce gets old jeff green will score more than that.

Landry is not "jacking" up anything. He's averaging 59.6% FG% at 9.2 attempts per game. Jeff Green is averaging only 2 less attempts than him and averaging 44.1 FG%. Another thing is that Landry isn't playing with the best passing PG in the league. While he's playing in an up-tempo system; you can't compare playing with Steve Nash and playing in Mike D'Antoni's system.

Plus, Landry is 4th on his team in field goal attempts.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/gsw/stats?sort=nba.stat_type.4 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/gsw/stats?sort=nba.stat_type.4)

I do believe that Green has more potential, but as of right now, Landry would help this team a lot more than Green is currently doing.

How many times have I got to say this.... Fans get excited or pine after a guy that scores this much or assists that much on another team, just to have him come to Boston and score a whole bunch less. This is because PAUL, KEVIN, AND RONDO get the touches and the plays run for them. Jeff green had two plays run for him last night. Two. In the Denver - Golden State game I reckon the warriors went to Landry on the post a good 7 or 8 straight times and cleared that side of the floor for him. They certainly didn't win the game either.

Landry is the type of dude that seems to hang around and get contracts with the sacramentos and the golden states because he knows he will get a lot of touches on a crap team.

I wouldn't say they are a crap team. They have the same record as we do and play in a much tougher conference. Most importantly Landry singlehandedly helped the warriors win 3 games by scoring more than 10 points and grabbing key offensive rebounds in each of those fourth quarters while scoring very efficiently. He steps up when it counts and was easily the second best player on the hornets team when they took the lakers to 7 games two years ago. What has Jeff Green ever done in the playoffs?

I don't get why you are knocking the guy's game if he is scoring efficiently and getting more rebounds than your man jeff green.(who by the way is making much more than him) Yeah he played on some bad teams but I would like to see you replace him with Jeff Green and get some different result.

I live in the bay area so I watch the warriors play and know that this guy works his butt off to hustle for loose balls and rebounds which is much more than I can say for Green.

What proof do you have that Green is better if their game and stats show otherwise? And before you rely on the old heart surgery excuse, Landry was having a career year before being shot in the leg maybe that takes some time to recover from too.

How is Jeff green my guy? All I said was Landry definitely isn't.

I guarantee you if Carl Landry took a contract from Boston or Oklahoma city he would not be a 15/5 guy off the bench, because he wouldn't be getting clearouts 5 times a game.

And by the way if you're talking about playing with good point guards. Landry played with Chris Paul in new orleans, the ultimate drive and dish player.

Landry is a pretty crafty guy under the basket and can use his body, but he's not a sixth man for a contending team and his D is average at best.

Landry looked pretty good today. His rebounds really helped lead the warriors to a win. He had 18 points on 7 shots. Not to mention 6 Offensive rebounds and good D on Kevin Love. In case you want to counter that with the warriors being a crap team with no real wins, he provided some clutch baskets and boards against the Clippers, Nets and Twolves(both games). I think we could definitely use what he brings on a consistent basis over one a few 17 point games for Green.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on November 25, 2012, 01:33:53 AM
I want green getting 30plus mins a game. 28 at the very least. 22 is far too low.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: jdz101 on November 25, 2012, 01:56:53 AM


JG has allstar potential. THere is a reason he was drafted number 5 and carl landy was undrafted. plus landry is on one of the worst teams in the league- the warriors. green should be better than him i believe

1. I was encouraged by Green's play last night and I have high hopes for him but it's one game. Let's not pile up the expectations.

2. Landry was the first player drafted in the 2nd round in 2007.

3. Landry's had a better statistical year in just four more minutes of play on average than Green.

4. The Warriors are 7-6, which is the same record as the Celtics right now. Don't think that really qualifies for one of the worst teams in the league.

Add in the fact that draft positions generally have got little to do with how a player pans out, unless the player we're talking about is a superstar or a total bust.

Not that I'd pick Landry over Green or vice versa, but number 2 and number 4 are just facts. Nothing to argue about.

Yeah I know, the poster I responded to said Landry was undrafted, which isn't true, and the Warriors were one of the worst teams in the league, whose record indicates otherwise. I wasn't trying to argue who was better or not between Green or Landry just stating a few facts. And number 3 is also a fact because Landry is averaging 15/7 in 26 mins while Green is averaging 9/3 in 22 mins.

Landry is only scoring more since the warriors have no other options whereas doc rivers never lets Jeff shoot the ball. Anyone can average 15 if they jack up many shots and are relied on to score for their team. once pierce gets old jeff green will score more than that.

Landry is not "jacking" up anything. He's averaging 59.6% FG% at 9.2 attempts per game. Jeff Green is averaging only 2 less attempts than him and averaging 44.1 FG%. Another thing is that Landry isn't playing with the best passing PG in the league. While he's playing in an up-tempo system; you can't compare playing with Steve Nash and playing in Mike D'Antoni's system.

Plus, Landry is 4th on his team in field goal attempts.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/gsw/stats?sort=nba.stat_type.4 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/gsw/stats?sort=nba.stat_type.4)

I do believe that Green has more potential, but as of right now, Landry would help this team a lot more than Green is currently doing.

How many times have I got to say this.... Fans get excited or pine after a guy that scores this much or assists that much on another team, just to have him come to Boston and score a whole bunch less. This is because PAUL, KEVIN, AND RONDO get the touches and the plays run for them. Jeff green had two plays run for him last night. Two. In the Denver - Golden State game I reckon the warriors went to Landry on the post a good 7 or 8 straight times and cleared that side of the floor for him. They certainly didn't win the game either.

Landry is the type of dude that seems to hang around and get contracts with the sacramentos and the golden states because he knows he will get a lot of touches on a crap team.

I wouldn't say they are a crap team. They have the same record as we do and play in a much tougher conference. Most importantly Landry singlehandedly helped the warriors win 3 games by scoring more than 10 points and grabbing key offensive rebounds in each of those fourth quarters while scoring very efficiently. He steps up when it counts and was easily the second best player on the hornets team when they took the lakers to 7 games two years ago. What has Jeff Green ever done in the playoffs?

I don't get why you are knocking the guy's game if he is scoring efficiently and getting more rebounds than your man jeff green.(who by the way is making much more than him) Yeah he played on some bad teams but I would like to see you replace him with Jeff Green and get some different result.

I live in the bay area so I watch the warriors play and know that this guy works his butt off to hustle for loose balls and rebounds which is much more than I can say for Green.

What proof do you have that Green is better if their game and stats show otherwise? And before you rely on the old heart surgery excuse, Landry was having a career year before being shot in the leg maybe that takes some time to recover from too.

How is Jeff green my guy? All I said was Landry definitely isn't.

I guarantee you if Carl Landry took a contract from Boston or Oklahoma city he would not be a 15/5 guy off the bench, because he wouldn't be getting clearouts 5 times a game.

And by the way if you're talking about playing with good point guards. Landry played with Chris Paul in new orleans, the ultimate drive and dish player.

Landry is a pretty crafty guy under the basket and can use his body, but he's not a sixth man for a contending team and his D is average at best.

The argument was comparing Landry and Green, not how well Landry would do in a contending team. 

If you put Landry in the role that Jeff Green is currently in, he would be somewhere near the 10-15 ppg range, which is very good and better than Green right now.

And the fact that Landry thrived playing with Chris Paul means that he will thrive playing with Rondo.

Also, you said in a previous post, that Landry would get nowhere near the amount of touches. I believe you are 100% right in that regard. However, there's a reason why Green is still averaging over 7 attempts per game despite getting so few touches.

Landry is way more perfect for our team than Green because he doesn't need plays run for him - He'll get his points the same way Green does - through Rondo, double teams from KG/Pierce, fast break, etc, but at a way more efficient rate. 59% FG shooting is not a fluke - get Landry in a good position to score, and he'll score. With the Celtics' personal, they are one of the best executing teams in the NBA. He'd do better than Green is doing.

My point was definitely not a comparison between green and Landry. My point about Landry is that you're comparing his stats as a bench guy for a non contender to green's who is playing for a contender. Landry is getting more plays called for him than green in a team that has less scoring threats than the Celtics, and you're assuming that if we replaced green with Landry he would get the same numbers as he's getting in Golden State.

Several bench signings for this celtics team in the past have proved that this is definitely not the case.

If we brought glen davis back now off the bench would he be getting 15/9 for us consistently?

Would Landry be effective in a team that runs away from offensive rebounds?

You decide.
Title: Re: when Jeff Green plays well, we play well...
Post by: jowwwman on November 25, 2012, 02:20:19 AM
As far as Carl Landry goes, I can't determine whether or not he will be helpful on this team or not since he's not here. But the fact of the matter is he is an excellent role player to have for a contender and played a big part in the Rockets playoff run without Yao or Tmac (taking the lakers to 7 games in the west semifinals) and in New Orleans playoff series without David West. At 4 million a year he is an absolute steal for the warriors leading them to 8-5 as their most consistent player.