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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: hpantazo on November 23, 2012, 10:41:41 PM
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In 20 minutes, Melo went 1 for 2 with 2 points and 1 rebound, 4 blocks. I think it's going to be a while before he works himself to NBA level skills.
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Melo biggest adjustment is speed of the game. When game finally slows down for him, he'll be a defensive beast at center.
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He is a project with size and potential but he is raw.
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I think he's gonna take a while to adjust to the speed of the NBA game. He has shown great potential and he improves quite fast but it going to take him a while to be a contributor to the C's.
With that said, 4 blocks is not so bad.
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I live about 30 minutes from the red claws arena so I'm pretty excited to watch melo a handful of times this year
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theres no such thing as NBDL
its nba dl
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He is a project with size and potential but he is raw.
This. Bad hands, looks like low ball IQ. Let him play out the season against Dleague talent and work out some kinks.
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Kris Joseph looks like he had a good game.
28 points and 8 boards.
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He is a project with size and potential but he is raw.
This. Bad hands, looks like low ball IQ. Let him play out the season against Dleague talent and work out some kinks.
I'm not sure, that he has bad hands, but even his fundamentals are raw. If you just want a 7' guy to protect the rim, you could do a lot worse, but he won't give you a lot of rebounds - because he is rarely in the right position - and you play 4 on 5 on offense.
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Fab Melo was a hate pick. It's like in fantasy draft when you pick a player you don't want/need so someone else can't have them. We didn't want Melo to pan out for some other team so we grabbed him. I was standing up screaming PJIII during the draft but Ainge is a smart guy.
I don't think anyone saw Melo contributing this year and there are some doubts as to ever.
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Kris Joseph looks like he had a good game.
28 points and 8 boards.
Joseph struck me as a guy who doesn't really have much to learn at the DL level. Fairly polished game. He'll add little techniques and moves as he gets older, but for the most part he is what he is - a SG/SF with good size and average athleticism who does most things reasonably well but possesses no elite skills. Unfortunately, decent-all-around guys have a tough time finding playing time in the NBA.
As far as Melo goes, I wouldn't pay too much attention to stats. The DL is full of guards and wings chucking up shots to try to get noticed. It's not the best place for bigs to develop their offense, and Melo's usage (two shots, no assists, no TO's) supports that. The DL also lacks advanced statistics that might give us a good read on how well he's playing defensively, and blocks aren't a very good measure.
The one stat that remains important is rebounding, and unfortunately, Melo didn't show much in that department tonight. He will never help us unless he greatly improves on the boards.
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Fab Melo was a hate pick. It's like in fantasy draft when you pick a player you don't want/need so someone else can't have them. We didn't want Melo to pan out for some other team so we grabbed him. I was standing up screaming PJIII during the draft but Ainge is a smart guy.
I don't think anyone saw Melo contributing this year and there are some doubts as to ever.
Danny Ainge isnt playing a fantasy draft and he's certainly not picking project bigs so other teams cant have them.
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I think Joseph is much more NBA ready than Melo. Melo has more potential and size but Kris is more ready. Kris was the best player at Syracuse last year, their leading scorer.
I really think Melo needs to work on his hands and body. College guys are rarely ready to come in and bang in the NBA. A strong college guy can but most college guys are not NBA strong.
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I like the "four blocks" part of that stat line.
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I actually caught almost a half of the Claws game, as I couldn't get the C's.
Melo picked up two fouls(bogus I might add)in about the first 40 seconds of the game! One on a clean blocked shot from behind on a guard that penetrated cleanly for a layup. The other he got called for a blocking foul, where it clearly looked like he got position and took a charge! I'm sure it wasn't good why to get a feel for your first pro game!
Actually, the whole Claws team looked alot like our C's, with very little rebounding, and giving up lots of penetration to their guards! Since they're supposed to be running OUR sytem, I guess that would follow.
Just on what I saw KJ looked a little out of control, but must have gotten better in the second half. Chris Wright, from my neck of the woods at WSU in Dayton,O, looking good. His knock was always his outside shooting, but saw him knock down 2 smooth 3's! Shelvin Mack played well, and can really shoot! Those three were listed as 17th, 4th and 9th best pro prospects in the D League! With the exception of KJ, the others have all small, but considerable time in the Show.
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Fab Melo was a hate pick. It's like in fantasy draft when you pick a player you don't want/need so someone else can't have them. We didn't want Melo to pan out for some other team so we grabbed him. I was standing up screaming PJIII during the draft but Ainge is a smart guy.
I don't think anyone saw Melo contributing this year and there are some doubts as to ever.
Danny Ainge isnt playing a fantasy draft and he's certainly not picking project bigs so other teams cant have them.
That's for sure. The question is, will Ainge wait 2-3 years for Melo to develop? Based on Perk, it may take at least that long, or possibly longer since he hasn't played basketball for very long so he doesn't have a good feel for the game yet. My guess it the roster spot is too valuable to wait, and Ainge will eventually trade him, especially if he can improve to the point where he has some better value.
Kris Joseph, OTOH, is a near NBA-ready prospect who has a GREAT feel for the game. He reminds me a bit of Marquis Damiels with his crafty moves but with a bit of the Ryan Gomes "glue-guy" in him as well. Unfortunately, the team is loaded at the guard positions currently. He might get a shot if a trade goes down that includes Lee or Bradley.
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For your comparison, last night we saw a Fab Melo dressed in Thunder roster: Hasheem Thabeet.
He had a D-League stint also and averaged a double-double alongside 3.0 bpg or something along the lines, so, D-League doesn't necessarily help you develop a game.
And I don't think Melo will ever become a true backup center in this league, either.
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Idk, it looks like to me for potential rankings:
Joseph looks like Bradley(success in D-League, remembered watching his 9 steals game)
Melo looks like Micah Downs(never ending D-League career)
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Shot blocking is the only thing Melo can do at the NBA level right now. I think his 4 blocks in his first D-League game is a good example. His offense and his rebounding are still at the college level. How does Fab only pull down 1 rebound in 20 minutes? I think the kid has a great future but its going to be a year or two before Doc plays him.
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Shot blocking is the only thing Melo can do at the NBA level right now. I think his 4 blocks in his first D-League game is a good example. His offense and his rebounding are still at the college level. How does Fab only pull down 1 rebound in 20 minutes? I think the kid has a great future but its going to be a year or two before Doc plays him.
Doc thought Melo would dominate the D league, so it might be even longer before he considers playing him!
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Shot blocking is the only thing Melo can do at the NBA level right now. I think his 4 blocks in his first D-League game is a good example. His offense and his rebounding are still at the college level. How does Fab only pull down 1 rebound in 20 minutes? I think the kid has a great future but its going to be a year or two before Doc plays him.
I think I figured why he has low rebounding totals. He always tries to block shots, aleays challenging shots, he's always in the air, so he's in no position to get a lot of rebounds.
The 4 swats are a good sign though. But this'll be a slow progress. But if we're patient, well have a very capable defensive big man and would make some shots. He will improve.
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His second game: 7/10 for 14 points in 20 minutes. 4 rebounds. 1 block.
Anybody watch it?
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As the devil's advocate, I will predict that Fab Melo will see a few minutes with the Celtics before the year is out and will be on the bench next year. I think he has tremendous upside and will at the least will, in the future, be a servicable center. If I am wrong, feel free to rub it in, but if I am right, be prepared to eat crow. ;)
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His second game: 7/10 for 14 points in 20 minutes. 4 rebounds. 1 block.
Anybody watch it?
Some of it. I believe all his baskets were dunks, either from alley oops or "catch and dunk". He showed better hands than in the first game, probably because he played more within his role and abilities. When he does that, he looks a lot more like an NBA player. However, that is a very limited game, indeed (but you could say the same for Ryan Hollins, etc.).
He didn't look good on man to man defense against Miles Plumlee - I believe it was the same in the Summer League. He has to learn to use his body against big players and not just be a rim protector.
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As the devil's advocate, I will predict that Fab Melo will see a few minutes with the Celtics before the year is out and will be on the bench next year. I think he has tremendous upside and will at the least will, in the future, be a servicable center. If I am wrong, feel free to rub it in, but if I am right, be prepared to eat crow. ;)
nah i agree, he is sooo raw, i can see him being third string center next year
he's a project but to me looks worth it
not ready to give up on either syracuse guy i could see both getting some nba minutes next year
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Fab Melo was a hate pick. It's like in fantasy draft when you pick a player you don't want/need so someone else can't have them. We didn't want Melo to pan out for some other team so we grabbed him. I was standing up screaming PJIII during the draft but Ainge is a smart guy.
I don't think anyone saw Melo contributing this year and there are some doubts as to ever.
Danny Ainge isnt playing a fantasy draft and he's certainly not picking project bigs so other teams cant have them.
That's for sure. The question is, will Ainge wait 2-3 years for Melo to develop? Based on Perk, it may take at least that long, or possibly longer since he hasn't played basketball for very long so he doesn't have a good feel for the game yet. My guess it the roster spot is too valuable to wait, and Ainge will eventually trade him, especially if he can improve to the point where he has some better value.
Kris Joseph, OTOH, is a near NBA-ready prospect who has a GREAT feel for the game. He reminds me a bit of Marquis Damiels with his crafty moves but with a bit of the Ryan Gomes "glue-guy" in him as well. Unfortunately, the team is loaded at the guard positions currently. He might get a shot if a trade goes down that includes Lee or Bradley.
I think ainge knew Melo would be a project when he drafted him though...Sullinger always was going to be the more NBA ready pick.
i think ainge understands that if you want a quality center in this league you have to "home grow" one....finding a quality-decent center on the market through free-agency is expensive
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That or draft high....
Melo is a real project but one with potential. He gets a go to move down low and some strength, nba conditioning and some experience and he will be ok. I have not seen enough of him to gauge him between the ears which will be vital but I have read he is a hard worker.
He is not a stiff. But he is not an elite player at anyone but shotblocking at present. Project defines him perfectly.
He has two things that can't be taught. Defensive timing for blocks, guys usually either have it or you don't, Melo has it and height, he is a legit seven footer.