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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: mjokc on November 22, 2012, 04:13:21 AM
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We'll even let you keep Jeff Green, just get this dude out of OKC so that our coach can't keep playing him so much.
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Before you were talking about how Presti signed him to a great deal and now you want him gone? What happened?
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No. Even if this team is full of bigs, Doc will still play the small ball lineup. He is madly in love with it and we can't do anything about it.
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Before you were talking about how Presti signed him to a great deal and now you want him gone? What happened?
I was wrong man..so wrong.
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No. Even if this team is full of bigs, Doc will still play the small ball lineup. He is madly in love with it and we can't do anything about it.
Our biggest problem is that we don't have an elite high BBIQ defender like KG to cover up Perkins weaknesses. Ibaka is a great shot blocker, but he can't cover for Perk.
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No. Even if this team is full of bigs, Doc will still play the small ball lineup. He is madly in love with it and we can't do anything about it.
Yeah, Doc never played KG at the same time as Perk or Shaq.
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Until Doc realizes that the small ball lineup wont work, I think it's pointless to trade for any big man at the moment. Well, Perk might get some minutes because of the history I guess.
With that being said, i'd go for a very underrated, somewhat Perk like guy instead of the real Perk. Longer, cheaper, a little less intimidating but a little better on both ends.
Yep, ladies and gents, the bandwagon is making a stop here.
GET US JASON SMITH!
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Ah, let's see... How about we just swap Donnie D. and Perk straight up. Deal? Now, go call Sammy P.
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No, he is not that good and injured.
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Not in a trade that's for sure. If he's cut I'd have no problem signing him for a couple mil a year.
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hell no lol still an offensive liability wit poor hands nd a wack rebounder neva got da love fest yall had for dude
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Only if released. No interest in his current contract.
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Absolutely. If OKC used the amnesty and we could pick him up it would be a no brainer for me. I bet both parties (him individually and us as a team) would greatly benefit
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Absolutely. Trading Perk was and still is the dumbest move Danny Ainge ever made. When Celtics traded Perk, they lost their toughness.
If Wade or Lebron try acting tough again with us, Perk will literally tear their heads off.
Oh, and please feel free to take Green back to OKC. Never saw the big deal with him
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Perfect fit for the Celtic organization. A broken player to fit in with a Team going nowhere. And no relief in sight. Let's do Rondo a favor and trade him to a team with a positive outlook. This is cruel to watch talent not fulfill him destiny.
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Perfect fit for the Celtic organization. A broken player to fit in with a Team going nowhere. And no relief in sight. Let's do Rondo a favor and trade him to a team with a positive outlook. This is cruel to watch talent not fulfill him destiny.
He's had more success than any of the other top point guards. I don't know that "cruel" is the right word.
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Losing Jeff green would be addition by subtraction...why not take perk back? He only fit perfect with kg.
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If Wade or Lebron try acting tough again with us, Perk will literally tear their heads off.
Yeah, just like he did in last year's finals.
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Absolutely. Trading Perk was and still is the dumbest move Danny Ainge ever made. When Celtics traded Perk, they lost their toughness.
If Wade or Lebron try acting tough again with us, Perk will literally tear their heads off.
Oh, and please feel free to take Green back to OKC. Never saw the big deal with him
rofl wat? hahahaha Perk is wat we call a fake tough guy dude just mean mugs he aint no enforcer like yall claim dude is
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Absolutely. Trading Perk was and still is the dumbest move Danny Ainge ever made. When Celtics traded Perk, they lost their toughness.
If Wade or Lebron try acting tough again with us, Perk will literally tear their heads off.
Oh, and please feel free to take Green back to OKC. Never saw the big deal with him
We did get to Game 7 of the ECF last year without Perk. Had Shaq been healthy and RR not been 1-armed, we would have beaten the Heat 2 years ago. I don't think the loss of Perk has been much of a factor.
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Since it would mean no more small ball hell yes
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I don't see what the trade would be though. Hmm... ?aybe Lee and Bass for Perk and Collison? The nubmers work. I would do it.
It would be tough to loss Bass but I think Sullinger and Wilcox could fill that roll. Meanwhile we compress our wing slots and get some much needed size and toughness.
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If Wade or Lebron try acting tough again with us, Perk will literally tear their heads off.
Yeah, just like he did in last year's finals.
+1....took the words right out of my mouth/mind
How'd that series work out for OKC?
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Wait...wait...wait. Please someone tell me, why Doc is not playing Darko??
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Absolutely. Trading Perk was and still is the dumbest move Danny Ainge ever made. When Celtics traded Perk, they lost their toughness.
If Wade or Lebron try acting tough again with us, Perk will literally tear their heads off.
Oh, and please feel free to take Green back to OKC. Never saw the big deal with him
All that toughness is why he's probably being waived. Trading Perk was one of the best and ballsiest moves in the past 5 years. Look at Perkins now, he's a useless bum with no lift
And terrible hands. Danny built up his trade value and got something back for him before letting him walk to OKC for nothing. Can u imagine if we we're paying him 9 million instead of Green? Wake up and look at the bigger picture.
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FWIW - judging from how Green is playing...it really seems like this trade is turning out to be a wash.
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Absolutely. Trading Perk was and still is the dumbest move Danny Ainge ever made. When Celtics traded Perk, they lost their toughness.
If Wade or Lebron try acting tough again with us, Perk will literally tear their heads off.
Oh, and please feel free to take Green back to OKC. Never saw the big deal with him
All that toughness is why he's probably being waived. Trading Perk was one of the best and ballsiest moves in the past 5 years. Look at Perkins now, he's a useless bum with no lift
And terrible hands. Danny built up his trade value and got something back for him before letting him walk to OKC for nothing. Can u imagine if we we're paying him 9 million instead of Green? Wake up and look at the bigger picture.
To be fair though, OKC did get through and win the West since Perk's arrival. He does a lot of things that don't show up on a stat line. clogging, boxing out, toughness ect...
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i would take perkins back...
"in a new york minute...ooooo..any thing can change..in a new york minute..oooo"
the eagles
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To be fair Perk didn't exactly have a whole lot to do with them getting to the finals and was only playing about 25 MPG.
Only 4 PPG and 6 RPG in that time, not like he was anchor there.
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FWIW - judging from how Green is playing...it really seems like this trade is turning out to be a wash.
Eh, Perkins has been better...sorry folks knocking him based off his numbers.
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Absolutely. Trading Perk was and still is the dumbest move Danny Ainge ever made. When Celtics traded Perk, they lost their toughness.
If Wade or Lebron try acting tough again with us, Perk will literally tear their heads off.
Oh, and please feel free to take Green back to OKC. Never saw the big deal with him
All that toughness is why he's probably being waived. Trading Perk was one of the best and ballsiest moves in the past 5 years. Look at Perkins now, he's a useless bum with no lift
And terrible hands. Danny built up his trade value and got something back for him before letting him walk to OKC for nothing. Can u imagine if we we're paying him 9 million instead of Green? Wake up and look at the bigger picture.
LOL at calling Perk a bum you're a bum for that
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Absolutely. Trading Perk was and still is the dumbest move Danny Ainge ever made. When Celtics traded Perk, they lost their toughness.
If Wade or Lebron try acting tough again with us, Perk will literally tear their heads off.
Oh, and please feel free to take Green back to OKC. Never saw the big deal with him
All that toughness is why he's probably being waived. Trading Perk was one of the best and ballsiest moves in the past 5 years. Look at Perkins now, he's a useless bum with no lift
And terrible hands. Danny built up his trade value and got something back for him before letting him walk to OKC for nothing. Can u imagine if we we're paying him 9 million instead of Green? Wake up and look at the bigger picture.
LOL at calling Perk a bum you're a bum for that
Agreed. He never put up big numbers for us and we learned how much he meant despite that...many even used the excuse we would've won a game 7 of the finals if perk didn't get hurt. Perk wasn't good in last years finals but they wouldn't have gotten there if they were still going with Jeff green! We saw firsthand how much this team missed him when he left...quite frankly they've still never been the same....so call him a bum all you want...hes a good guy to do battle with.
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So you'd both pay Perkins 9 million a year ahead of Jeff green? Lawl. Very tradeable assett right now.
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Short answer: no
Long answer: no
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I think what really bothers me (and even I didn't realize this until after the trade) is people underestimate Perk's toughness.
Perk was and is a legitimate tough guy. No offense to KG and I am a big KG fan, but KG and other players like Wade, Lebron, Rondo, etc are "fake" tough guys.
They talk a good game but it's all for show. Perk was legitimately tough and when he was traded, that void was never filled.
I am somewhat amused at how "talented" people think Jeff Green is and how that trade was a win for the Celtics.
Green is an average talent at best and Perk's asset was NOT skill or offense. But that he was an intimidating presence in the paint.
He was never afraid to mix it up with any other player. Guess what, there's no other player right now on the Celtics that has that "chip on their shoulder" like Perk.
Although I know how menacing KG's "rrrrrrrrrrrooooooooooooaaaaaaarrrrrr" is
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Green is an average talent at best and Perk's asset was NOT skill or offense. But that he was an intimidating presence in the paint.
It's a bad sign when a player's assets don't include "skill." And he's not that intimidating in the paint anymore. See: Finals, last year.
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Step 1. Take back with open arms
Step 2. Allow violence to commence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujFfnKQMdQI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GmVajkqLNU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miaPX-VZlFc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wiQ18jDWqo
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I'd love Perk back. I wouldn't love his contract though.
I suppose, if we could just undo the trade and send Green back to OKC, it would be acceptable.
While neither player is worth their contract. At least Perk can play defense and rebound, though. Jeff Green is just a waste of a roster spot, the dude is worthless.
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FWIW - judging from how Green is playing...it really seems like this trade is turning out to be a wash.
I would have to agree with this. Since the trade neither player has performed well enough to say, inarguably, that they have out-performed the other.
Jeff Green has a much better chance of being the better performed player by the end of the season however. If they keep going as they are though it's a pretty even deal.
Though there are numerous overpaid big men in the NBA but very few overpaid back up small forwards.
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Perkins was a solid "starter" five years ago, but he was always an offensive liability and an overrated defender.
The league is changing. Teams are figuring out the Thibs-style defense that we've been rolling with the last few years, and guys like Perk are being exposed by it.
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Perkins was a solid "starter" five years ago, but he was always an offensive liability and an overrated defender.
The league is changing. Teams are figuring out the Thibs-style defense that we've been rolling with the last few years, and guys like Perk are being exposed by it.
Nope he wasn't an overrated defender for us, he was brilliant enough defensively next to kg to actually make him better as he has serge ibaka...Jeff green makes neither the offense or defends better.
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Perkins was a solid "starter" five years ago, but he was always an offensive liability and an overrated defender.
The league is changing. Teams are figuring out the Thibs-style defense that we've been rolling with the last few years, and guys like Perk are being exposed by it.
Nope he wasn't an overrated defender for us, he was brilliant enough defensively next to kg to actually make him better as he has serge ibaka...Jeff green makes neither the offense or defends better.
Do you even watch the Thunder?!?
Perkins is TERRIBLE. He is the weak link in their starting unit. This is known league wide. He does not have the lateral foot speed to guard the best bigs in the NBA like he did in Boston.
He WAS a very good, servicable center who struck gold when he was paired up to the best defensive big man in the NBA in Keving Garnett 5 years ago. KG covered up his mistakes, much like he covers up Wilcox or Bass' mistakes.
He is a worthless BUM now. He can't jump. He can't shoot. He drops so many easy passes. He can't finish around the rim and gets blocked more than any other starting center in the NBA!
He has turned to garbage and the Thunder are paying him 9 million per year. We have Jeff Green, Melo and we would have had the rights to Krstic if he were playing in the NBA all because of not giving Perkins that horrid contract all those years ago. He would have walked to OKC because there was no way Danny was giving him that much money because he knew how overrated Perkins was due to Kevin Garnett's influence on the court and Rondo's easy passes every game. He's a starting center that averages 4 points and 6 rebounds on 9 million a year. LOL. Can you imagine if he were here, how much torture Danny Ainge would be going through?
I love Perk, he was great for us and was an amazing team mate and was the epitome of a Celtic. Unfortunately injuries and father time have caused him to decline at a stupendous rate and he's a 9 million dollar headache for the Thunder right now. In fact he's the reason they had to ditch Harden and gamble on the Rockets trade.
No one is saying that Perkins wasn't a beast for us, but he SUCKS now, and Danny, Doc and Co do not want him back unless it's for the veterans minimum because that's about what he's worth- and we got rid of him at just the right time.
You act like putting him in a green uniform will somehow fix his knees and get his foot speed back to what it was in 2008. He's cooked, he's done.
His time came and went and he's lucky he was a Celtic on that championship team with teammates that made him look so good because he could have been another Nazr Mohammed coming off the bench for any team. His lucky circumstances netted him a 35 million+ contract that he would never get if he wasn't playing for Boston under the bright lights.
Be realistic here lol. He's been on two NBA teams with at least 5 hall of famers in his starting line ups, gifting him the ball and covering his big ass on defense. Even now he plays with one of the best help defenders in the league in Ibaka and they're thinking of starting Collison.
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Perk was servicable.
But getting the old gang back together almost never works, we can't get Benedict (errr Ray) back.
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Perkins was a solid "starter" five years ago, but he was always an offensive liability and an overrated defender.
The league is changing. Teams are figuring out the Thibs-style defense that we've been rolling with the last few years, and guys like Perk are being exposed by it.
Nope he wasn't an overrated defender for us, he was brilliant enough defensively next to kg to actually make him better as he has serge ibaka...Jeff green makes neither the offense or defends better.
Do you even watch the Thunder?!?
Perkins is TERRIBLE. He is the weak link in their starting unit. This is known league wide. He does not have the lateral foot speed to guard the best bigs in the NBA like he did in Boston.
He WAS a very good, servicable center who struck gold when he was paired up to the best defensive big man in the NBA in Keving Garnett 5 years ago. KG covered up his mistakes, much like he covers up Wilcox or Bass' mistakes.
He is a worthless BUM now. He can't jump. He can't shoot. He drops so many easy passes. He can't finish around the rim and gets blocked more than any other starting center in the NBA!
He has turned to garbage and the Thunder are paying him 9 million per year. We have Jeff Green, Melo and we would have had the rights to Krstic if he were playing in the NBA all because of not giving Perkins that horrid contract all those years ago. He would have walked to OKC because there was no way Danny was giving him that much money because he knew how overrated Perkins was due to Kevin Garnett's influence on the court and Rondo's easy passes every game. He's a starting center that averages 4 points and 6 rebounds on 9 million a year. LOL. Can you imagine if he were here, how much torture Danny Ainge would be going through?
I love Perk, he was great for us and was an amazing team mate and was the epitome of a Celtic. Unfortunately injuries and father time have caused him to decline at a stupendous rate and he's a 9 million dollar headache for the Thunder right now. In fact he's the reason they had to ditch Harden and gamble on the Rockets trade.
No one is saying that Perkins wasn't a beast for us, but he SUCKS now, and Danny, Doc and Co do not want him back unless it's for the veterans minimum because that's about what he's worth- and we got rid of him at just the right time.
You act like putting him in a green uniform will somehow fix his knees and get his foot speed back to what it was in 2008. He's cooked, he's done.
His time came and went and he's lucky he was a Celtic on that championship team with teammates that made him look so good because he could have been another Nazr Mohammed coming off the bench for any team. His lucky circumstances netted him a 35 million+ contract that he would never get if he wasn't playing for Boston under the bright lights.
Be realistic here lol. He's been on two NBA teams with at least 5 hall of famers in his starting line ups, gifting him the ball and covering his big ass on defense. Even now he plays with one of the best help defenders in the league in Ibaka and they're thinking of starting Collison.
get over yourself. I said he wasnt an overratted defender for us and he wasnt. as garbage as perkins is hes been better for them then jeff green has been for us... Jeff Green missed an entire season and has been absolutely putrid when he has played. ill wait and see if the thunder start starting collison but i doubt it...he wont be defending the best centers in the west
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Not sure I would want Perk back at this point, but I would sure take a bucket full of his passion for the game and emotion. That certainly is one of the things I see missing on this team. As for Jeff Green -- you or anyone else can have him.
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Yes, but you have to take Jeff Green's bum ass back
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Yes I would love Perkins back. However I just don't see it happening. We aren't going to trade for him because the players that make similar salaries to him are all better than him. After the year the Thunder might Amnesty him but the Celtics won't have the cap space to bring him back unless either Pierce or KG retire. I think he will come back here after his contract is up in 2015.
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I think we'd be fools not to want him back for free; however, I think Danny's been proven largely right. Perk is a good role player, but nothing more. He's a liability to have on the court for more than 25 minutes per night, provides essentially zero offense, and isn't that great of a rebounder or shot blocker considering the other limitations of his game.
Still, of course I'd love him back to play 20 mpg off the bench. He's still an elite team defender, sets tough screens, and provides a physical presence.