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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: raynman on November 21, 2012, 10:57:28 PM
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Yes, I know some of you might think that I'm overreacting to the Celtics' current situation, struggling at .500 after all the hope and hype of our so called 'Talent and depth', but bear with me on this one.. I gave this team 10 games to get through the 'chemistry' issues and I was hoping the 3-game win streak was the start of great things to come.. But after another back-to-back losses, it's really becoming alarming.. I know there's a lot of factors to consider like interior D, rebounding, and Doc's coaching but for me, Rondo's assist streak is dragging us down.. Setting and breaking records is great but it's really becoming a major distraction.. It seems like every play, he's looking for an assist instead of making the right plays.. 12 games in, it's about time Rajon and the team get their acts together before it's too late!
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Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Folks here might think you are crazy for suggesting changes need to be made.
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Yeah, rondos 22 points and 15 assists was clearly the reason we lost this game. ::)
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That is totally ridiculous. Rondo has been the only highlight of this team this season and tonight is no different. He showed up, everybody else didn't
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Yes, I know some of you might think that I'm overreacting to the Celtics' current situation, struggling at .500 after all the hope and hype of our so called 'Talent and depth', but bear with me on this one.. I gave this team 10 games to get through the 'chemistry' issues and I was hoping the 3-game win streak was the start of great things to come.. But after another back-to-back losses, it's really becoming alarming.. I know there's a lot of factors to consider like interior D, rebounding, and Doc's coaching but for me, Rondo's assist streak is dragging us down.. Setting and breaking records is great but it's really becoming a major distraction.. It seems like every play, he's looking for an assist instead of making the right plays.. 12 games in, it's about time Rajon and the team get their acts together before it's too late!
He is not that kind of player, and I don't get why people think that the streak is more important to him than winning games. It might be a minor distraction, but he has always and will probably always be looking for the assist. It's what makes him tick as a basketball player: To set up team mates for an easy basket. That is also most often the right play. Even moreso with the team mates he has had for most of his career.
And you can't say that he has stopped taking jumpers or going to the rim because of the streak. He doesn't like going to the rim during the regular season, because he ends beat up. It is usually a bad sign for the team, when he needs to take over with shooting.
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Yeah, Rondo. Stop scoring and racking up assists for a while, and instead, focus on helping the team. You can, like, I dunno, bring towels. Or something.
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I would say that despite the streak and overall good numbers we haven't seen rondo dominate a game yet this season like we know he can do. I think they need that kind of crazy rondo game almost nightly now to win more than they lose.
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Yeah, Rondo. Stop scoring and racking up assists for a while, and instead, focus on helping the team. You can, like, I dunno, bring towels. Or something.
I'm sure they'd appreciate a nice snack while he's at it.
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Without Rondo's assists we probably woulnd't crack 90 points tonight.
Rondo hasn't changed his style of play, assists streak or not. He distributes, he finds open people and they knock shots. So to say that the reason we are losing is because the streak is the focus is unfair for Rondo.
Then again, everyone blames Rondo for everything, why am I even bothering...
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Yeah, Rondo. Stop scoring and racking up assists for a while, and instead, focus on helping the team. You can, like, I dunno, bring towels. Or something.
I'm sure they'd appreciate a nice snack while he's at it.
and bring KG's favorite PBnJ while he's at it!
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Yeah, Rondo. Stop scoring and racking up assists for a while, and instead, focus on helping the team. You can, like, I dunno, bring towels. Or something.
I'm sure they'd appreciate a nice snack while he's at it.
and bring KG's favorite PBnJ while he's at it!
Guys, guys! NOW you're asking too much!
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Kid needs to penetrate more, he just stood at the top of the key for the entire game... Drive the lane, don't be afraid of getting fouled and having to make free throws, don't pout when Pierce takes the ball up just cut and move off the ball. He can improve his play
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Yeah, rondos 22 points and 15 assists was clearly the reason we lost this game. ::)
Haha my thoughts exactly.
Dude. Do you even remember last year? When this team fought these same issues for about FORTY games?! Without the amount of new players to work with. Come on dude.
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rondo is consistently our best player.
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Wow.
Ten games to get an almost completely new team working as a cohesive unit at both ends of the floor ... at the NBA level?!?
Come on, man, this is reality ... I don't know anyone personally who realistically expects much chemistry until at least the middle of the season, (and after Bradley returns), and even that's a bit optimistic, IMO.
I think a collective step back from the brink of Emerald City might be a good idea ... there's a red brick road also, back to Kansas.
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rondo is consistently our best player.
I wonder when other fans are finally going to realize this. Rondo is the best (IMO) point guard in the league, maybe second best to others, whatever. He is by far the best passer in the league and you want him to stop doing what he does best? What a joke.
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Yeah, Rondo. Stop scoring and racking up assists for a while, and instead, focus on helping the team. You can, like, I dunno, bring towels. Or something.
I'm sure they'd appreciate a nice snack while he's at it.
and bring KG's favorite PBnJ while he's at it!
Some sliced up oranges at halftime would probably hit the spot.
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I do understand where the OP is coming from...
Don't get me wrong I love the numbers that Rondo is putting up, and I'd love to see him rack up nightly double doubles but only if it's not at the expense of the team's performance.
85% - 90% of the time on the court Rondo has been great. But there are times where I have felt he's tried too hard to be flashy, tried too hard to force plays in an attempt to get a quick assist rather than just making the right play.
I still think he's been great though, but I can't help but feel that he's going out there every night with the aim of getting 10 assists rather than just going out there with the mentality of "beat this team whatever it takes".
I could be wrong though, I can't see in his head.
As for the suggestion that he's our only good player...KG has been consistently great on defense and Pierce has been our most consistent scorer - he's scored in double figures in every game this season and has scored at least 15 in 8/12 of them.
In all honesty Terry has been pretty consistent too - despite relatively limited minutes he's only had 3 games out of 12 this season in which he hasn't scored in double figures.
I also think Barbosa has been consistently pretty solid. He's playing somewhat out of position as the backup PG yet he has not commited a single turnover in the last 5 games. He's shooting pretty efficiently, he's probably playing the best defense out of all our guards (which isn't hard right now) and he's brought nice energy.
My biggest dissapointment has been Lee. I expected Green may struggle, but I always though Lee as going to be the sure thing - I knew he wouldn't be a 10PPG scorer but I thought we'd get double figure scoring and quality defense from him on a nightly basis, but in all honestly he's been utterly horrible. Barbosa has outplayed Lee ten-fold and is making 1/6 of the money. You could argue Sullinger has outplayed him as well - atleast he's rebounding consistently.
Also I don't care what anyone says, I am utterly convinced that if we played Collins more we would be a significantly better team. The few minutes in which he's played he has actually had some impact out there on opposing bigs - he hasn't shut them down, but he's challenged everything they do. Our other bigs (bar KG) just seem to let opposing guys get whatever they wany.
The way we're playing right now our sole hopes lie on the shoulders of Avery Bradley and Jason Collins (if he ever gets playing time).
As much as people are rambling about Wilcox's great play, he's committed a LOT of turnovers and his effort on defense has been ... rough.
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Assists help the team, I would like to see him get the record. Not like him getting assists is stopping us from defending the pick and roll. It is the least of our problems.
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Trade Doc for a bag of cheetos
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All I know is Avery Bradley equals banner 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 and 23.
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Trade Doc for a bag of cheetos
All I know is Avery Bradley equals banner 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 and 23.
It's thanksgiving, so we're taking a holiday from staying on the thread subjects?
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Last night it wasn't a problem, but there have been nights where he's definitely been way too pass first. He needs to be more aggressive and get to the rim a little more often.
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Wow.
Ten games to get an almost completely new team working as a cohesive unit at both ends of the floor ... at the NBA level?!?
Come on, man, this is reality ... I don't know anyone personally who realistically expects much chemistry until at least the middle of the season, (and after Bradley returns), and even that's a bit optimistic, IMO.
I think a collective step back from the brink of Emerald City might be a good idea ... there's a red brick road also, back to Kansas.
Bahku bringing sense to the thread, as always.
Guys traditionally never lose the "new team" label until they've played and practiced together for a full year/season+. To think they've already learned everything they could from each other after 2 months and 10 games is beyond naive.
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As probably Rondo's biggest critic on this blog, I have to disagree wit your argument. Rondo is a great player & his streak has nothing to do with the C's mishaps. I'm not sure if he's a good fit though for this team. If he is; we surely do need a back-up point guard like "Jose Calderon". His streak once again has nothing to do with the losses.
The Celtics losses are mainly because of "R E B O U N D I N G". Defensive rebounds is our #1 downfall. When we don't rebound, teams get the offensive boards & more than likely buries us with second, third & even fourth chance points at times. Defensive Rebounds is a major, & biggest of our problem.
Our 2nd problem is the 2 guard position. Terry is not a 2 & should not guard them either. On Dallas Jason Kidd defended the 2 guards. Lee so far has been a disappointment. He's naturally a small small-forward & not a 2 guard either. Avery Bradley is well missed at this position.
Changes that need to be made:
Sign K-Mart & start him right away.
Sarters: right now should be: Rondo, Barbosa (until Bradley returns), Pierce (Limited Mins), Martin & Garnett (limited Mins)
Bench: right now should be: Terry, Green, Bass (if he could guard Lebron he should be able to guard anyone), Sullinger, Wilcox
Lee will still get mins & so will all of the bigs as this team start blowing out teams again. Rondo is not the problem once again. Its Mainly this team's Defensive Rebounding.
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there is a lot wrong with this team, but only time will tell. At the end of the season we will see who is right the realist that want the Celtics to be great again or the sunshine pumpers that will go along with anything the team puts out
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there is a lot wrong with this team, but only time will tell. At the end of the season we will see who is right the realist that want the Celtics to be great again or the sunshine pumpers that will go along with anything the team puts out
Everyone thinks that their opinion of the team is realistic, and everyone wants the Celts to be great again. So all Celts fans fit into your first group.
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Yeah, rondos 22 points and 15 assists was clearly the reason we lost this game. ::)
Duh...Kgs 3 rebounds to duncan and splitters 22 and not being able to defend the paint shows this is all rondos fault
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As probably Rondo's biggest critic on this blog, I have to disagree wit your argument. Rondo is a great player & his streak has nothing to do with the C's mishaps. I'm not sure if he's a good fit though for this team. If he is; we surely do need a back-up point guard like "Jose Calderon". His streak once again has nothing to do with the losses.
The Celtics losses are mainly because of "R E B O U N D I N G". Defensive rebounds is our #1 downfall. When we don't rebound, teams get the offensive boards & more than likely buries us with second, third & even fourth chance points at times. Defensive Rebounds is a major, & biggest of our problem.
Our 2nd problem is the 2 guard position. Terry is not a 2 & should not guard them either. On Dallas Jason Kidd defended the 2 guards. Lee so far has been a disappointment. He's naturally a small small-forward & not a 2 guard either. Avery Bradley is well missed at this position.
Changes that need to be made:
Sign K-Mart & start him right away.
Sarters: right now should be: Rondo, Barbosa (until Bradley returns), Pierce (Limited Mins), Martin & Garnett (limited Mins)
Bench: right now should be: Terry, Green, Bass (if he could guard Lebron he should be able to guard anyone), Sullinger, Wilcox
Lee will still get mins & so will all of the bigs as this team start blowing out teams again. Rondo is not the problem once again. Its Mainly this team's Defensive Rebounding.
Can you be the coach instead of doc? Is there some way we can arrange this?
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Rondo for some reason has never been embraced by some here and is the constant source of blame.
I like this team chances once we make the playoffs. I think we will limp into them and be someone nobody wants to play.
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As probably Rondo's biggest critic on this blog, I have to disagree wit your argument. Rondo is a great player & his streak has nothing to do with the C's mishaps. I'm not sure if he's a good fit though for this team. If he is; we surely do need a back-up point guard like "Jose Calderon". His streak once again has nothing to do with the losses.
The Celtics losses are mainly because of "R E B O U N D I N G". Defensive rebounds is our #1 downfall. When we don't rebound, teams get the offensive boards & more than likely buries us with second, third & even fourth chance points at times. Defensive Rebounds is a major, & biggest of our problem.
Our 2nd problem is the 2 guard position. Terry is not a 2 & should not guard them either. On Dallas Jason Kidd defended the 2 guards. Lee so far has been a disappointment. He's naturally a small small-forward & not a 2 guard either. Avery Bradley is well missed at this position.
Changes that need to be made:
Sign K-Mart & start him right away.
Sarters: right now should be: Rondo, Barbosa (until Bradley returns), Pierce (Limited Mins), Martin & Garnett (limited Mins)
Bench: right now should be: Terry, Green, Bass (if he could guard Lebron he should be able to guard anyone), Sullinger, Wilcox
Lee will still get mins & so will all of the bigs as this team start blowing out teams again. Rondo is not the problem once again. Its Mainly this team's Defensive Rebounding.
KMart isn't a great rebounder. I think that if he was good enough to start for the Celts and solve our problems he wouldn't be sitting unsigned right now.
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I big the differ.... I think K-Mart is a great rebounder. Especially @ the offensive end. His post defense is pretty impressive also. Him starting will not only help the rebounding or defense, but definitely instill confidence & intimidation towards opponents.
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I big the differ.... I think K-Mart is a great rebounder. Especially @ the offensive end. His post defense is pretty impressive also. Him starting will not only help the rebounding or defense, but definitely instill confidence & intimidation towards opponents.
His rebound rate 3 years ago was 15.8, 2 years ago 13.9, last year 11.2. For reference, KG's a 15.4, Bass is 11.4. So in two years he went from slightly better than KG to slightly worse than Bass.
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he also in 2 yrs went from playing alongside 2 great rebounders (Nene & Andersen) & also going to China returning to the states to play alongside again 2 great rebounders (Griffin & Jordan). #'s are deceiving don't fall for it. I look for how someone actually plays & circumstance. BTW he may not even come here. The [dang] Miami Heat are at it again.... EEEERRRGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/report-heat-now-on-top-of-kenyon-martins-list-743168.html
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I think the streak is a good thing. I think things like that boost team morale and are can be appreciated by fans over the long term.
Rondo's assist streak is something that every guy on the roster will take away with them when they leave the game. Especially with an assist streak, it's a team accomplishment.
And the idea that Rondo is being purposely unselfish to boost his stats seems off. This is the most aggressive he's ever been! This is the first year where he's come out the gate firing jumpers with confidence and getting the ball in his hands on every significant possession.
I'm confident that the guys on our roster are about winning first and foremost. Rondo seems to be among the more obsessed with winning so I've generally gone to bat for him on here (when I'm serious) and never questioned his desire.
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It's a good thing the streak is in play now
when the games don't mean anything.