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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: badshar on November 21, 2012, 10:07:45 PM
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What happens? We lose.......What others say: "Wait, let them gel together"
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Its been 12 games, and we are at .500. All this "talented on paper" my foot when we just plain up suck.
Don't give the nonsense that last year it was the same story but we improved.
We improved because KG moved to center and Bradley became a starter. This year, KG is already a center and Bradley by himself will not get us anywhere.
Our bench is beyond garbage. Last year, at least people like Hollins (YES, HOLLINS), Pietrus, and other caught some alley-oops and found a way to score. This year's bench can't play for once. They score 20+ one game, and then go back to their old "garbage-ness" and then after 5-6 games of being awful, they make up for it with one game of 20+ points again.
I don't like reading or writing threads like these, but this year and this time, I am extremely forced to.
This team isn't getting anywhere.
Somethings that really tick me off:
1. Rondo slows down the game while there are people running with him.
2. Rondo brings up the ball, passes it some one else, that person either turns it over or passes it back to Rondo, Rondo waits until shot clock is less than 5, then either takes up a shot, or passes it to someone else who turns it over.
3. Green just stands in the corner. In the past 12 games, I have yet to see plays designed specifically for Green. The only time Green is effective is when he goes down and yells for the ball, that also he has to put his hand high in the air to get Rondo's attention. I have seen countless times Green asking for the ball while keep his hands on the chest level, and Rondo passes it to someone else.
4. Green is just like the rest of the bench. Plays worse than trash for 5-6 games, then makes up for it with one highlight play and everyone starts thinking good of him again.
5. Remind what the role of Terry is in this game?
6. Can Rondo play defense? Best defensive PG my foot, he plays worse defense than Stoudemire.
7. Green, you're position is Forward, not guard. Today, Bass boxes out to rebound, and Green is standing right there and he has a choice of picking up a big man or a guard, and he picks up a guard while leaving the big man alone down low. You want Bass to rebound over two big guys?
8. KG, what's wrong with your jumper? That is one of the most consistent part of your games. I thought getting called old motivates you, then don't you realize that not being able to hit a jumper consistently for you is sign of aging?
9. Doc, are you stupid? Small-ball doesn't work for every team. Memphis demolished the Knicks' small-ball line up by playing their regular, big guys, then why are you playing small-ball every game? Also, does it take you more than 5 minutes to realize that the other team is exploiting the current lineup on the floor? Despite getting outscored and playing awful D, you keep that specific lineup out there, damaging our chances of winning.
10. Out of the entire lineup, Leandro Barbosa is the only player on the team who you can put on the floor and know that he will score. He is a ball-hog, but I'd much rather have him on the floor than other guys on this team.
Just like others, I wait multiple days to watch a Celtics game, only to see them play so bad?
Please don't give me the chemistry garbage. In the Bulls game, we clearly saw that we can do very good together.
I am so disappointed in this team, more disappointed than last year before the all-star break.
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I am so disappointed in this team, more disappointed than last year before the all-star break.
TP. I was just gonna say that man, this team is hard to watch, it's like they're playing pickup games...
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I feel ya man. Team is complete garbage and really not fun to watch at all. Barely a shadow of the 2008 team and I don't see a competitor in this team at all. Call me done as well. When this team looks to have given up on themselves and not even give a semblance of an entertaining basketball game, how do they expect anyone else to. I envy the blind fools who jsut 'enjoy the game' and 'stick by their team' and don't 'bandwagon' but REALLY??? REALLY? this steaming pile of garbage you call a basketball team? HAHAHAHAHA! I envy you.
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Man, hope you feel better now. Now what was a heck of a vent.
I'm gonna keep watching anyhow.
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Not bragging or anything, but I repeatedly stand up for this team in front of fans and bandwagoners of every team the way a fan would, and repeatedly I get put down by this team. This team isn't playing with any heart. I will always like the Celtics. I can't imagine putting some other team as my favorite team in the NBA. Its frustrating that we continuously repeat the same mistakes. We have got to improve, else forget the hopes of 18. :(
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TP !!!! you nailed it.
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FYI...Miami started 9-8 in 2010-11...things take time
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What happens? We lose.......What others say: "Wait, let them gel together"
............
Its been 12 games, and we are at .500. All this "talented on paper" my foot when we just plain up suck.
Don't give the nonsense that last year it was the same story but we improved.
We improved because KG moved to center and Bradley became a starter. This year, KG is already a center and Bradley by himself will not get us anywhere.
Our bench is beyond garbage. Last year, at least people like Hollins (YES, HOLLINS), Pietrus, and other caught some alley-oops and found a way to score. This year's bench can't play for once. They score 20+ one game, and then go back to their old "garbage-ness" and then after 5-6 games of being awful, they make up for it with one game of 20+ points again.
I don't like reading or writing threads like these, but this year and this time, I am extremely forced to.
This team isn't getting anywhere.
Somethings that really tick me off:
1. Rondo slows down the game while there are people running with him.
2. Rondo brings up the ball, passes it some one else, that person either turns it over or passes it back to Rondo, Rondo waits until shot clock is less than 5, then either takes up a shot, or passes it to someone else who turns it over.
3. Green just stands in the corner. In the past 12 games, I have yet to see plays designed specifically for Green. The only time Green is effective is when he goes down and yells for the ball, that also he has to put his hand high in the air to get Rondo's attention. I have seen countless times Green asking for the ball while keep his hands on the chest level, and Rondo passes it to someone else.
4. Green is just like the rest of the bench. Plays worse than trash for 5-6 games, then makes up for it with one highlight play and everyone starts thinking good of him again.
5. Remind what the role of Terry is in this game?
6. Can Rondo play defense? Best defensive PG my foot, he plays worse defense than Stoudemire.
7. Green, you're position is Forward, not guard. Today, Bass boxes out to rebound, and Green is standing right there and he has a choice of picking up a big man or a guard, and he picks up a guard while leaving the big man alone down low. You want Bass to rebound over two big guys?
8. KG, what's wrong with your jumper? That is one of the most consistent part of your games. I thought getting called old motivates you, then don't you realize that not being able to hit a jumper consistently for you is sign of aging?
9. Doc, are you stupid? Small-ball doesn't work for every team. Memphis demolished the Knicks' small-ball line up by playing their regular, big guys, then why are you playing small-ball every game? Also, does it take you more than 5 minutes to realize that the other team is exploiting the current lineup on the floor? Despite getting outscored and playing awful D, you keep that specific lineup out there, damaging our chances of winning.
10. Out of the entire lineup, Leandro Barbosa is the only player on the team who you can put on the floor and know that he will score. He is a ball-hog, but I'd much rather have him on the floor than other guys on this team.
Just like others, I wait multiple days to watch a Celtics game, only to see them play so bad?
Please don't give me the chemistry garbage. In the Bulls game, we clearly saw that we can do very good together.
I am so disappointed in this team, more disappointed than last year before the all-star break.
We were a better team last year because of our bench was better last year. We have no options off the bench besides Barbosa right now. At least guys like Pietrus who weren't "talented" played with intensity and relied on IQ plays that make a formidable bench for a contender.
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A move needs to be made... we all know that. But we can't trade our most trade-able players yet.
So we wait.
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FYI...Miami started 9-8 in 2010-11...things take time
But the Heat are gods and can do no wrong. LeBron and Wade kings of the world.
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Don't let the door hit your butt on the way out.
Fans need to stick with their team through good and bad.
I'm not exactly encouraged by their play at the moment either, but I'm never going to give up on them.
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Not sure which team you're changing to, but I hear Miami is looking for fair weather fans. ;)
Seriously, almost every single complaint here are complaints I've heard a hundred times before during "rebuilds" or injury plagued periods or early in every season.
The defense sucks right now, but we scored a hundred points against San Antonio, and despite the horrible "D", still had a chance to win this game.
I have seen nothing that isn't correctable by small changes to rotation or execution on offense, and I personally didn't expect this team to be clicking yet.
People may see the "mostly new members" thing as an excuse, but it's just the plain reality of where we are and what tweaks need to be made in the most competitive league in the world, a league where even the smallest problems are magnified by a hundred.
Just over ten games into the season and people are bailing out and giving up ... man, I wish some folks could go back in time and get a taste of what losing record seasons and "the lean years" were really like, and what it feels like to truly have only one reason for sticking around, (Paul Pierce).
This team is so far from bailing out on that it's not even worth serious discussion. This will take some time, that's just the reality of it, but we have so much to build on and tweak and utilize and make more of and improve on and work out ... some teams have no such pieces, and this team has been there in the past.
Take a step back, a deep breath, a reality check, a comparative assessment, a broader perspective, and be thankful that we have the room to improve and the pieces to refine. Or give up and bail out whenever your team has a rough spot ... there's no shortage of bandwagons in the NBA, that's guaranteed.
It's just a game, afterall ... but this is a team I'll never be "done" with, for better or worse, and believe it or not, there's a lot to be excited about right now, and very little that's not within reach.
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Not sure which team you're changing to, but I hear Miami is looking for fair weather fans. ;)
Seriously, almost every single complaint here are complaints I've heard a hundred times before during "rebuilds" or injury plagued periods or early in every season.
The defense sucks right now, but we scored a hundred points against San Antonio, and despite the horrible "D", still had a chance to win this game.
I have seen nothing that isn't correctable by small changes to rotation or execution on offense, and I personally didn't expect this team to be clicking yet.
People may see the "mostly new members" thing as an excuse, but it's just the plain reality of where we are and what tweaks need to be made in the most competitive league in the world, a league where even the smallest problems are magnified by a hundred.
Just over ten games into the season and people are bailing out and giving up ... man, I wish some folks could go back in time and get a taste of what losing record seasons and "the lean years" were really like, and what it feels like to truly have only one reason for sticking around, (Paul Pierce).
This team is so far from bailing out on that it's not even worth serious discussion. This will take some time, that's just the reality of it, but we have so much to build on and tweak and utilize and make more of and improve on and work out ... some teams have no such pieces, and this team has been there in the past.
Take a step back, a deep breath, a reality check, a comparative assessment, a broader perspective, and be thankful that we have the room to improve and the pieces to refine. Or give up and bail out whenever your team has a rough spot ... there's no shortage of bandwagons in the NBA, that's guaranteed.
It's just a game, afterall ... but this is a team I'll never be "done" with, for better or worse, and believe it or not, there's a lot to be excited about right now, and very little that's not within reach.
Thank you for expressing what I said above you with a lot more eloquence.
TP and I'm glad there is at least someone here that shares my thinking.
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What happens? We lose.......What others say: "Wait, let them gel together"
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Its been 12 games, and we are at .500. All this "talented on paper" my foot when we just plain up suck.
Don't give the nonsense that last year it was the same story but we improved.
We improved because KG moved to center and Bradley became a starter. This year, KG is already a center and Bradley by himself will not get us anywhere.
Our bench is beyond garbage. Last year, at least people like Hollins (YES, HOLLINS), Pietrus, and other caught some alley-oops and found a way to score. This year's bench can't play for once. They score 20+ one game, and then go back to their old "garbage-ness" and then after 5-6 games of being awful, they make up for it with one game of 20+ points again.
I don't like reading or writing threads like these, but this year and this time, I am extremely forced to.
This team isn't getting anywhere.
Somethings that really tick me off:
1. Rondo slows down the game while there are people running with him.
2. Rondo brings up the ball, passes it some one else, that person either turns it over or passes it back to Rondo, Rondo waits until shot clock is less than 5, then either takes up a shot, or passes it to someone else who turns it over.
3. Green just stands in the corner. In the past 12 games, I have yet to see plays designed specifically for Green. The only time Green is effective is when he goes down and yells for the ball, that also he has to put his hand high in the air to get Rondo's attention. I have seen countless times Green asking for the ball while keep his hands on the chest level, and Rondo passes it to someone else.
4. Green is just like the rest of the bench. Plays worse than trash for 5-6 games, then makes up for it with one highlight play and everyone starts thinking good of him again.
5. Remind what the role of Terry is in this game?
6. Can Rondo play defense? Best defensive PG my foot, he plays worse defense than Stoudemire.
7. Green, you're position is Forward, not guard. Today, Bass boxes out to rebound, and Green is standing right there and he has a choice of picking up a big man or a guard, and he picks up a guard while leaving the big man alone down low. You want Bass to rebound over two big guys?
8. KG, what's wrong with your jumper? That is one of the most consistent part of your games. I thought getting called old motivates you, then don't you realize that not being able to hit a jumper consistently for you is sign of aging?
9. Doc, are you stupid? Small-ball doesn't work for every team. Memphis demolished the Knicks' small-ball line up by playing their regular, big guys, then why are you playing small-ball every game? Also, does it take you more than 5 minutes to realize that the other team is exploiting the current lineup on the floor? Despite getting outscored and playing awful D, you keep that specific lineup out there, damaging our chances of winning.
10. Out of the entire lineup, Leandro Barbosa is the only player on the team who you can put on the floor and know that he will score. He is a ball-hog, but I'd much rather have him on the floor than other guys on this team.
Just like others, I wait multiple days to watch a Celtics game, only to see them play so bad?
Please don't give me the chemistry garbage. In the Bulls game, we clearly saw that we can do very good together.
I am so disappointed in this team, more disappointed than last year before the all-star break.
We were a better team last year because of our bench was better last year. We have no options off the bench besides Barbosa right now. At least guys like Pietrus who weren't "talented" played with intensity and relied on IQ plays that make a formidable bench for a contender.
Really now
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70 games to go bro....
I for one couldnt care less if all you "celtic fans" left. Go root for OKC/Miami while they are winning.
FFS choose a team a stick with them!!!!!!!! This forums has some of the most dramatic fans ever.
You think this is bad???? Trying barracking for Richmond in the AFL!!!!!
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Im disappointed as well, but it seems you lost hope and I guess that's fine.
One thing though. I mean no disrespect but can I call you a band wagoner no good Celtics fan if all of a sudden the C's pick it up and you come back here in the forums going all "yey, that's what I'm talking about, Celtics ya'll!"?
I mean you gave you gave up on them already right? There should be no reason to cheer for them again when they pick it up, unless you're a band wagoner no good Celtic fan?
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I'm disappointed as well, but I will never give up on this team. I mean come on I finished watching the game, went out and came back and saw all these negative ads!
come on man! have a little more faith on our team
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TBH OP, I was prepared to flame the living poo out of you until ... I realized that I agree with nearly 100% of what you wrote. Especially the bits about Jeff Green. He's so bad
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If it makes you feel any better, the Lakers have the same record as us and they were supposed to go 73-9. There.
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10 games in and you've given up. So you watched the team last year? Why are you still watching if you didn't give up after 10 games last year?
This bench is 10 times better than last years bench, offensively and defensively.
Anyhow, you said you're done with the team so have a nice life. Oh wait we'll probably see you in 2 weeks after we win 5 in a row. lol.
There are 8 new players. It's going to take a lot more than 10 games brah. Grab a beer and enjoy the ride.
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If it makes you feel any better, the Lakers have the same record as us and they were supposed to go 73-9. There.
They've still got a chance. So do we, for that matter.
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If it makes you feel any better, the Lakers have the same record as us and they were supposed to go 73-9. There.
They've still got a chance. So do we, for that matter.
Exactly. It's a wee bit too early to get the blues.
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Save that for the playoffs when the team gets destroyed. Trust me, even if they lose in the playoffs, they will make it tough for the opposing teams.
That said, I think it has something to do with Doc. He utilize his players the wrong way. The small ball has to stop unless it's effective.
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70 games to go bro....
I for one couldnt care less if all you "celtic fans" left. Go root for OKC/Miami while they are winning.
FFS choose a team a stick with them!!!!!!!! This forums has some of the most dramatic fans ever.
You think this is bad???? Trying barracking for Richmond in the AFL!!!!!
You poor bugger...I thought I had it bad last season..(Blues fan)...Richmond, now that's a team with fans that have suffered.
I have been extremely frustrated with our lackluster play to start the season...havi said that, I have no doubt that as the season goes on, we will pick it up.
If not, Danny will get some help at the midway point of the season. I am not panicked now, just very frustrated.
No matter what happens though, I will never be embarrassed to be a Celtics fan, I wasn't embarrassed in the 90's, so, I sure as hell wouldn't be now.
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Our bench is beyond garbage. Last year, at least people like Hollins (YES, HOLLINS), Pietrus, and other caught some alley-oops and found a way to score. This year's bench can't play for once. They score 20+ one game, and then go back to their old "garbage-ness" and then after 5-6 games of being awful, they make up for it with one game of 20+ points again.
Maybe you have bad memory - our bench last year was hideous offensively. If our entire bench scored 15 points, that was typically considered a strong night.
This season our bench is consistently scoring 20-30 PPG. Even on a bad night if you look at the box score we have at least 24 points or so from our bench.
5. Remind what the role of Terry is in this game?
He's there to do the same thing he did in Dallas - to give us consistent (and efficient) scoring in the backcourt.
So far he's done exactly that - he's scored double figures in all but three of out 12 games so far, he's averaging 20 points per 48 minutes and he's shooting 50% from the field, 40% from three and 85% from the free throw line.
That's very slightly less scoring then he provided in Dallas on a per minute basis - this is expected since he is a 4th scoring option here (after Pierce, Garnett and Rondo) and he's scoring at a much higher efficiency than last year to back this.
Remember Terry should be coming off he bench - his consistent double figure scoring would be a major benefit off there, but Doc has had to start him because Courtney Lee has been well...nothing short of useless. Terry has actually played very solid for us.
As for the Bradley comment, he actually WILL make a major difference when he returns, assuming he's healthy. His defense will be huge for us and will potentially transform this team, while return will allow us to move Terry back to his natural 6th man role where his contribution off the bench will be much needed.
Sorry to say but I think I preferred Sullinger starting too. I still think he plays better alongside KG and his rebounding helps out starting unit dramatically, while I think the consistent double figure scoring from Bass was huge for our bench.
I agree with most of what you said to be honest. Doc is really leaving me scratching my head. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt because he's been one of the best coaches in this league for the entire Big 3 era, but he's defiantely starting to make me wonder.
We need size...I don't expect him to start Collins and play him 25 minutes, but I think a good 5-10 minutes with him out of the floor would benefit us massively. When he was on the court in earlier games teams WERE more hessitant taking it to the basket.
Other than these two points I agree
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Bye. Don't let the door hit you as you leave...
I still think we could turn it on after the allstar break and we will make the playoffs and do some damage.
How is the weather up there? Sounds fair....
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i'll just take a bit of rest from the celtics for a while. No gonna watch games, or updates whasoever. I am just so frustrated right now.
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its 12 games into the season...70games is ALOT of time to improve/get better..and we WILL
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What happens? We lose.......What others say: "Wait, let them gel together"
............
Its been 12 games, and we are at .500. All this "talented on paper" my foot when we just plain up suck.
Don't give the nonsense that last year it was the same story but we improved.
We improved because KG moved to center and Bradley became a starter. This year, KG is already a center and Bradley by himself will not get us anywhere.
Our bench is beyond garbage. Last year, at least people like Hollins (YES, HOLLINS), Pietrus, and other caught some alley-oops and found a way to score. This year's bench can't play for once. They score 20+ one game, and then go back to their old "garbage-ness" and then after 5-6 games of being awful, they make up for it with one game of 20+ points again.
I don't like reading or writing threads like these, but this year and this time, I am extremely forced to.
This team isn't getting anywhere.
Somethings that really tick me off:
1. Rondo slows down the game while there are people running with him.
2. Rondo brings up the ball, passes it some one else, that person either turns it over or passes it back to Rondo, Rondo waits until shot clock is less than 5, then either takes up a shot, or passes it to someone else who turns it over.
3. Green just stands in the corner. In the past 12 games, I have yet to see plays designed specifically for Green. The only time Green is effective is when he goes down and yells for the ball, that also he has to put his hand high in the air to get Rondo's attention. I have seen countless times Green asking for the ball while keep his hands on the chest level, and Rondo passes it to someone else.
4. Green is just like the rest of the bench. Plays worse than trash for 5-6 games, then makes up for it with one highlight play and everyone starts thinking good of him again.
5. Remind what the role of Terry is in this game?
6. Can Rondo play defense? Best defensive PG my foot, he plays worse defense than Stoudemire.
7. Green, you're position is Forward, not guard. Today, Bass boxes out to rebound, and Green is standing right there and he has a choice of picking up a big man or a guard, and he picks up a guard while leaving the big man alone down low. You want Bass to rebound over two big guys?
8. KG, what's wrong with your jumper? That is one of the most consistent part of your games. I thought getting called old motivates you, then don't you realize that not being able to hit a jumper consistently for you is sign of aging?
9. Doc, are you stupid? Small-ball doesn't work for every team. Memphis demolished the Knicks' small-ball line up by playing their regular, big guys, then why are you playing small-ball every game? Also, does it take you more than 5 minutes to realize that the other team is exploiting the current lineup on the floor? Despite getting outscored and playing awful D, you keep that specific lineup out there, damaging our chances of winning.
10. Out of the entire lineup, Leandro Barbosa is the only player on the team who you can put on the floor and know that he will score. He is a ball-hog, but I'd much rather have him on the floor than other guys on this team.
Just like others, I wait multiple days to watch a Celtics game, only to see them play so bad?
Please don't give me the chemistry garbage. In the Bulls game, we clearly saw that we can do very good together.
I am so disappointed in this team, more disappointed than last year before the all-star break.
good riddance. if they turn it around, i hope u miss the bandwagon when u try to jump on
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For those thinking I am a bandwagon fan or about to switch, you guys are WRONG. I have been a fan forever. Even through the 2006-07 season. I have cheered them through their bad times, and obviously their good times. So no, I will not leave them for some other team, cause I am not a bandwagoner.
Now on to this season, I am frustrated not because we are losing, but because the mistakes we are making now, we have been making them since the beginning of the season. We are not improving at all. After every game, one person comes to the media and says, "We have got to improve on ...." What happens next? Nothing. Forget about correcting our mistakes from previous games. In the next game, we make those mistakes again as well as also collapse in other things. If we are moving at this pace, forget winning 50+ games, we will barely make it to 40.
Sure it take times to get better together when more than half your team is replaced with new guys, but its absolutely ridiculous that we are not improving at any thing.
I don't even want to talk about our defense. We have prided our team on defense for the past 5 years. Is this the defense we pride ourselves on?
Again, to those thinking I am a bandwagon fan: I AM NOT. I am writing this out of frustration. We know the problem. We know how to improve it. We want to improve it. Then why don't we actually do it. Every game its the same story.
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There are only a handful teams that even play small-ball. Then why do we continuously use the small-ball lineup for almost every game. I don't even remember a time when Collins or any legit big guy played for more than 2-3 minutes.
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What happens? We lose.......What others say: "Wait, let them gel together"
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Its been 12 games, and we are at .500. All this "talented on paper" my foot when we just plain up suck.
Don't give the nonsense that last year it was the same story but we improved.
We improved because KG moved to center and Bradley became a starter. This year, KG is already a center and Bradley by himself will not get us anywhere.
Our bench is beyond garbage. Last year, at least people like Hollins (YES, HOLLINS), Pietrus, and other caught some alley-oops and found a way to score. This year's bench can't play for once. They score 20+ one game, and then go back to their old "garbage-ness" and then after 5-6 games of being awful, they make up for it with one game of 20+ points again.
I don't like reading or writing threads like these, but this year and this time, I am extremely forced to.
This team isn't getting anywhere.
Somethings that really tick me off:
1. Rondo slows down the game while there are people running with him.
2. Rondo brings up the ball, passes it some one else, that person either turns it over or passes it back to Rondo, Rondo waits until shot clock is less than 5, then either takes up a shot, or passes it to someone else who turns it over.
3. Green just stands in the corner. In the past 12 games, I have yet to see plays designed specifically for Green. The only time Green is effective is when he goes down and yells for the ball, that also he has to put his hand high in the air to get Rondo's attention. I have seen countless times Green asking for the ball while keep his hands on the chest level, and Rondo passes it to someone else.
4. Green is just like the rest of the bench. Plays worse than trash for 5-6 games, then makes up for it with one highlight play and everyone starts thinking good of him again.
5. Remind what the role of Terry is in this game?
6. Can Rondo play defense? Best defensive PG my foot, he plays worse defense than Stoudemire.
7. Green, you're position is Forward, not guard. Today, Bass boxes out to rebound, and Green is standing right there and he has a choice of picking up a big man or a guard, and he picks up a guard while leaving the big man alone down low. You want Bass to rebound over two big guys?
8. KG, what's wrong with your jumper? That is one of the most consistent part of your games. I thought getting called old motivates you, then don't you realize that not being able to hit a jumper consistently for you is sign of aging?
9. Doc, are you stupid? Small-ball doesn't work for every team. Memphis demolished the Knicks' small-ball line up by playing their regular, big guys, then why are you playing small-ball every game? Also, does it take you more than 5 minutes to realize that the other team is exploiting the current lineup on the floor? Despite getting outscored and playing awful D, you keep that specific lineup out there, damaging our chances of winning.
10. Out of the entire lineup, Leandro Barbosa is the only player on the team who you can put on the floor and know that he will score. He is a ball-hog, but I'd much rather have him on the floor than other guys on this team.
Just like others, I wait multiple days to watch a Celtics game, only to see them play so bad?
Please don't give me the chemistry garbage. In the Bulls game, we clearly saw that we can do very good together.
I am so disappointed in this team, more disappointed than last year before the all-star break.
A perfect example of an impatient bandwagon fan
Translation to OP's post :
Hurry up Celtics and win games for me, so I can brag to Heat fans how awesome the Celtics are!!!
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This team is so frustating and dissapointing. Doc Rivers he is a big part of the problem. He's clueless on the rotations and really isn't putting guys in situaions to succeed.
But i can't say i'm even close to done with the team. I don't get much joy out of watching them right now but i'll remember why i love this team so much when they're putting it all on the line come playoff time.
I still have complete faith that the big three can win the championship this year but not with the current supporting cast. Roster changes need to be made. Danny needs to work his magic and ship out these "finness scorers" and bring in some gritty defenders. Give me a James Posey over a Jeff Green any day of the week.
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"Doc Rivers he is a big part of the problem. He's clueless on the rotations and really isn't putting guys in situaions to succeed"
Correct tp
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What happens? We lose.......What others say: "Wait, let them gel together"
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Its been 12 games, and we are at .500. All this "talented on paper" my foot when we just plain up suck.
Don't give the nonsense that last year it was the same story but we improved.
We improved because KG moved to center and Bradley became a starter. This year, KG is already a center and Bradley by himself will not get us anywhere.
Our bench is beyond garbage. Last year, at least people like Hollins (YES, HOLLINS), Pietrus, and other caught some alley-oops and found a way to score. This year's bench can't play for once. They score 20+ one game, and then go back to their old "garbage-ness" and then after 5-6 games of being awful, they make up for it with one game of 20+ points again.
I don't like reading or writing threads like these, but this year and this time, I am extremely forced to.
This team isn't getting anywhere.
Somethings that really tick me off:
1. Rondo slows down the game while there are people running with him.
2. Rondo brings up the ball, passes it some one else, that person either turns it over or passes it back to Rondo, Rondo waits until shot clock is less than 5, then either takes up a shot, or passes it to someone else who turns it over.
3. Green just stands in the corner. In the past 12 games, I have yet to see plays designed specifically for Green. The only time Green is effective is when he goes down and yells for the ball, that also he has to put his hand high in the air to get Rondo's attention. I have seen countless times Green asking for the ball while keep his hands on the chest level, and Rondo passes it to someone else.
4. Green is just like the rest of the bench. Plays worse than trash for 5-6 games, then makes up for it with one highlight play and everyone starts thinking good of him again.
5. Remind what the role of Terry is in this game?
6. Can Rondo play defense? Best defensive PG my foot, he plays worse defense than Stoudemire.
7. Green, you're position is Forward, not guard. Today, Bass boxes out to rebound, and Green is standing right there and he has a choice of picking up a big man or a guard, and he picks up a guard while leaving the big man alone down low. You want Bass to rebound over two big guys?
8. KG, what's wrong with your jumper? That is one of the most consistent part of your games. I thought getting called old motivates you, then don't you realize that not being able to hit a jumper consistently for you is sign of aging?
9. Doc, are you stupid? Small-ball doesn't work for every team. Memphis demolished the Knicks' small-ball line up by playing their regular, big guys, then why are you playing small-ball every game? Also, does it take you more than 5 minutes to realize that the other team is exploiting the current lineup on the floor? Despite getting outscored and playing awful D, you keep that specific lineup out there, damaging our chances of winning.
10. Out of the entire lineup, Leandro Barbosa is the only player on the team who you can put on the floor and know that he will score. He is a ball-hog, but I'd much rather have him on the floor than other guys on this team.
Just like others, I wait multiple days to watch a Celtics game, only to see them play so bad?
Please don't give me the chemistry garbage. In the Bulls game, we clearly saw that we can do very good together.
I am so disappointed in this team, more disappointed than last year before the all-star break.
A perfect example of an impatient bandwagon fan
Translation to OP's post :
Hurry up Celtics and win games for me, so I can brag to Heat fans how awesome the Celtics are!!!
Wow, I can't believe I am being accused of being a bandwagon. Whatever. I was a fan of the Celtics, I am a fan, and I will continue to be a fan, whether other consider me a true fan or not.
There is no reason for me to explain that I am not a bandwagon fan. Think what you want, the fact is and will remain that I am a fan of the Celtics, not a bandwagon.
It astonishes me that people on this forum complain and criticize the team all the time, yet its normal for them since a fan is sad that his team isn't doing good. I rarely ever post anything like on this forum, yet when I say something like this, I get called all kinds of things.
I get it, if you are dissatisfied by how you're team is playing, you're a bandwagon fan. Nice logic.
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There is no reason for me to explain that I am not a bandwagon fan. Think what you want, the fact is and will remain that I am a fan of the Celtics, not a bandwagon.
It astonishes me that people on this forum complain and criticize the team all the time, yet its normal for them since a fan is sad that his team isn't doing good. I rarely ever post anything like on this forum, yet when I say something like this, I get called all kinds of things.
I get it, if you are dissatisfied by how you're team is playing, you're a bandwagon fan. Nice logic.
You are the DEFINITION of a bandwagon fan.
You said specifically in the TITLE OF THIS THREAD, that you are "done with this team." Because they aren't playing well.
Nobody is saying you aren't allowed to criticize the team. But specifically saying that you are "DONE" with the team when they aren't playing well is THE EXACT DEFINITION OF A BANDWAGON FAN.
If you don't want people to call a duck a duck, then stop quacking.
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I know these idiotic self entitled fans exist in every fanbase, but cripes you are an embarrassment.
Don't hurt yourself while you jump off the bandwagon the second we face some adversity. We added what? 8 new players to our rotation? What the hell did you expect?
Cripes people are stupid.
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Imma Fan
love when we win
but when things gets tuff im still cheering them on
Imma Fan
*sippin*
HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!
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Fan = fanatic.
I am with BT on this one, TP. I love them good or bad.
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DA found a vein of gold that lasted for 3 years. There should have been 2 Championships but wasn't to be. Now we're left with fools gold. A 5-8 playoff team. I can live with that. What I can't live with is what many are trying to force feed us. The talent that is there is beyond repeating such. The rest are just pawns with little value. Some say we lost some close ones. Yes, it is a 5 minute game that is basketball in the Pros. If there were only 5 minutes in a game we would still lose to those we lost to in the last 5. They are just plain better.
I personally pay less attention to the Celtic affairs. I don't bleed green. I grew up with the Cousy days. So I know what good basketball is. With all the Colleges feeding the NBA with talent it is up to management to figure it out. If Celtic management were in a pool of management we'd rank low. We have a hungry point guard and 2 above average starters and not much else to compliment them. Celtic Management have been breaking the Hearts of fans for decades now except for the 2 year hiccup. I'm a big Pats fan. They know how to keep their Star ravenous for Championships. They have geniuses at the helm. I don't understand the loyalty to losers, meaning management personnel. Docs just about where he was prior to the Big 3. At 500. I just know another Coach kicks some arse and we have about 3 more wins. I mean not hustling and hitting boards just doesn't pass the payroll test. I can just see Red dealing with this bunch.
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"Doc Rivers he is a big part of the problem. He's clueless on the rotations and really isn't putting guys in situaions to succeed"
Correct tp
Yeah doc is overrated as far as im concerned. Good coach not great.
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Now on to this season, I am frustrated not because we are losing, but because the mistakes we are making now, we have been making them since the beginning of the season. We are not improving at all.
We have been making mistakes since the beginning of the season because it IS the beginning of the season.
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Haha, I can't believe this. I am constantly insulted on other basketball boards for cheering on for the Celtics. I am insulted even more on the Celtics board. Great!
My wording might have been wrong, but I am frustrated with the fact that they make the exact same mistakes every game despite acknowledging it in the public.
You guys can call me bandwagon, if that pleases you. I am obviously not going to switch teams. I would have done that 4 years ago when KG got injured and all hopes of title went out the window. Its hard to believe that fans just like me thought I was a bandwagon. :( :'(
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Haha, I can't believe this. I am constantly insulted on other basketball boards for cheering on for the Celtics. I am insulted even more on the Celtics board. Great!
My wording might have been wrong, but I am frustrated with the fact that they make the exact same mistakes every game despite acknowledging it in the public.
You guys can call me bandwagon, if that pleases you. I am obviously not going to switch teams. I would have done that 4 years ago when KG got injured and all hopes of title went out the window. Its hard to believe that fans just like me thought I was a bandwagon. :( :'(
Dont go and completely diss the entire organisation on a celtics board when the team is 6 wins and 6 losses.
What sort of response were you expecting? Beer and skittles from all your fellow disgruntled long time fans?
People here want this team to succeed.
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DA found a vein of gold that lasted for 3 years. There should have been 2 Championships but wasn't to be. Now we're left with fools gold. A 5-8 playoff team. I can live with that. What I can't live with is what many are trying to force feed us. The talent that is there is beyond repeating such. The rest are just pawns with little value. Some say we lost some close ones. Yes, it is a 5 minute game that is basketball in the Pros. If there were only 5 minutes in a game we would still lose to those we lost to in the last 5. They are just plain better.
I personally pay less attention to the Celtic affairs. I don't bleed green. I grew up with the Cousy days. So I know what good basketball is. With all the Colleges feeding the NBA with talent it is up to management to figure it out. If Celtic management were in a pool of management we'd rank low. We have a hungry point guard and 2 above average starters and not much else to compliment them. Celtic Management have been breaking the Hearts of fans for decades now except for the 2 year hiccup. I'm a big Pats fan. They know how to keep their Star ravenous for Championships. They have geniuses at the helm. I don't understand the loyalty to losers, meaning management personnel. Docs just about where he was prior to the Big 3. At 500. I just know another Coach kicks some arse and we have about 3 more wins. I mean not hustling and hitting boards just doesn't pass the payroll test. I can just see Red dealing with this bunch.
Celts management has been pretty good, Danny pretty much built a title team out of Pierce and a pile of junk. And I'd wait until a few years after Brady left before I talked about the brilliant management of the Pats, I don't think they've been overachieving for quite a while now.
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Haha, I can't believe this. I am constantly insulted on other basketball boards for cheering on for the Celtics. I am insulted even more on the Celtics board. Great!
My wording might have been wrong, but I am frustrated with the fact that they make the exact same mistakes every game despite acknowledging it in the public.
You guys can call me bandwagon, if that pleases you. I am obviously not going to switch teams. I would have done that 4 years ago when KG got injured and all hopes of title went out the window. Its hard to believe that fans just like me thought I was a bandwagon. :( :'(
Dont go and completely diss the entire organisation on a celtics board when the team is 6 wins and 6 losses.
What sort of response were you expecting? Beer and skittles from all your fellow disgruntled long time fans?
People here want this team to succeed.
1. I am not dissing anyone. Neither the the Celtics organization nor the fans.
- It is not my intent to diss anyone either.
2. I didn't expect people to think I am a bandwagoner just because I said I am frustrated by how this team is doing.
3. Uhm, I want this team to succeed too.
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I didn't expect people to think I am a bandwagoner just because I said I am frustrated by how this team is doing.
u said more than u are frustrated. look at this part of the title of the thread you provided..."I am done with this team"
#deuces
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I didn't expect people to think I am a bandwagoner just because I said I am frustrated by how this team is doing.
u said more than u are frustrated. look at this part of the title of the thread you provided..."I am done with this team"
#deuces
"Done" doesn't necessarily mean I am leaving my fanship of a team.
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I didn't expect people to think I am a bandwagoner just because I said I am frustrated by how this team is doing.
u said more than u are frustrated. look at this part of the title of the thread you provided..."I am done with this team"
#deuces
"Done" doesn't necessarily mean I am leaving my fanship of a team.
ok, i will bite.....
what are u "done" with, regarding this team?
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I didn't expect people to think I am a bandwagoner just because I said I am frustrated by how this team is doing.
u said more than u are frustrated. look at this part of the title of the thread you provided..."I am done with this team"
#deuces
"Done" doesn't necessarily mean I am leaving my fanship of a team.
ok, i will bite.....
what are u "done" with, regarding this team?
I guess I wasn't clear.
When I say I am "done," I mean I am tired of thinking they will improve it the next game, because they just don't. They sure do make more mistakes though.
Still though, I rarely post anything, but visit this board consistently and view threads here. I have seen people write much worse things and no one question their fanship of the Celtics, yet I get called a bandwagoner despite stating in my post that I am frustrated with how they are playing.
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The cool thing about having KG and Paul Pierce on your team is that you've always got a chance. I'm disappointed, but not dispondent. Give it a little while the weather will change.
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Haha, I can't believe this. I am constantly insulted on other basketball boards for cheering on for the Celtics. I am insulted even more on the Celtics board. Great!
My wording might have been wrong, but I am frustrated with the fact that they make the exact same mistakes every game despite acknowledging it in the public.
You guys can call me bandwagon, if that pleases you. I am obviously not going to switch teams. I would have done that 4 years ago when KG got injured and all hopes of title went out the window. Its hard to believe that fans just like me thought I was a bandwagon. :( :'(
Dont go and completely diss the entire organisation on a celtics board when the team is 6 wins and 6 losses.
What sort of response were you expecting? Beer and skittles from all your fellow disgruntled long time fans?
People here want this team to succeed.
1. I am not dissing anyone. Neither the the Celtics organization nor the fans.
- It is not my intent to diss anyone either.
2. I didn't expect people to think I am a bandwagoner just because I said I am frustrated by how this team is doing.
3. Uhm, I want this team to succeed too.
The title of a thread usually is a summation of the main idea you're putting forth, and "done", in this respect, means finished ... there's really no other way to interpret it.
That's why people reacted to it the way they did, because being frustrated with this team and being finished with it are two very different things.
I've certainly had people misinterpret my meaning here before, (as most everyone has at one time or another), but your thread title is what initially impacts people the most, and what they take to heart.
Not criticizing you here, just trying to help you see why people are reacting the way they are, (as I did). Maybe just a tweaking of the title would get your true point across more effectively.
I think we're all a bit frustrated with the way things are going, but having lived and been a fan through the "lean years", trust me when I say it can get far, far worse, and we have more to be hopeful about than it may seem.
Don't take it personally, though, (take it from somebody who has trouble with that himself), it's primarily just folks misunderstanding your intent because of the title.
It all makes for good discussion, and you've clarified your meaning pretty sufficiently. TP for hanging in there, and I for one hope you'll stick around and keep contributing.
It's my personal experience that sometimes from such misunderstandings comes a great deal of growth and knowledge, and we all benefit from that. ;)
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Haha, I can't believe this. I am constantly insulted on other basketball boards for cheering on for the Celtics. I am insulted even more on the Celtics board. Great!
My wording might have been wrong, but I am frustrated with the fact that they make the exact same mistakes every game despite acknowledging it in the public.
You guys can call me bandwagon, if that pleases you. I am obviously not going to switch teams. I would have done that 4 years ago when KG got injured and all hopes of title went out the window. Its hard to believe that fans just like me thought I was a bandwagon. :( :'(
Dont go and completely diss the entire organisation on a celtics board when the team is 6 wins and 6 losses.
What sort of response were you expecting? Beer and skittles from all your fellow disgruntled long time fans?
People here want this team to succeed.
1. I am not dissing anyone. Neither the the Celtics organization nor the fans.
- It is not my intent to diss anyone either.
2. I didn't expect people to think I am a bandwagoner just because I said I am frustrated by how this team is doing.
3. Uhm, I want this team to succeed too.
The title of a thread usually is a summation of the main idea you're putting forth, and "done", in this respect, means finished ... there's really no other way to interpret it.
That's why people reacted to it the way they did, because being frustrated with this team and being finished with it are two very different things.
I've certainly had people misinterpret my meaning here before, (as most everyone has at one time or another), but your thread title is what initially impacts people the most, and what they take to heart.
Not criticizing you here, just trying to help you see why people are reacting the way they are, (as I did). Maybe just a tweaking of the title would get your true point across more effectively.
I think we're all a bit frustrated with the way things are going, but having lived and been a fan through the "lean years", trust me when I say it can get far, far worse, and we have more to be hopeful about than it may seem.
Don't take it personally, though, (take it from somebody who has trouble with that himself), it's primarily just folks misunderstanding your intent because of the title.
It all makes for good discussion, and you've clarified your meaning pretty sufficiently. TP for hanging in there, and I for one hope you'll stick around and keep contributing.
It's my personal experience that sometimes from such misunderstandings comes a great deal of growth and knowledge, and we all benefit from that. ;)
Thank you for your support. I truly appreciate it. That said, I agree the title was wrong and played a significant part in people misunderstanding my point. I will change the title now. Once again, I appreciate your post. Thank You! :D :) :)