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Title: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on November 20, 2012, 05:31:49 PM
It seems almost a forgone conclusion he's going to get the max, some desperate team will throw the money at him. Im glad the celtics don't have ample cap space to make a large free agent splash.

Maybe he can prove me wrong but I think whoever gets him is going to regret it down the road.

Is he Greg Oden 2.0 or am I wrong?
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: manl_lui on November 20, 2012, 05:39:10 PM
i think he is a headcase but definitely max money worthy. Beside Howard I would say Bynum is probably #2 center in the league. So yes, I would offer him a max deal
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: Big_Dave31 on November 20, 2012, 05:41:34 PM
Dominant player when healthy, but, I personally would pass on giving him the max, only because of his potential to miss nearly every second season.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: hpantazo on November 20, 2012, 06:06:41 PM
With the knees he has, needing injections that they give to 90 year old's so they can live another year before knee replacement, no way. He's not going to last more than another season or two.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on November 20, 2012, 06:07:57 PM
i think he is a headcase but definitely max money worthy. Beside Howard I would say Bynum is probably #2 center in the league. So yes, I would offer him a max deal

When healthy I might even put him over D12 but the kid has knee issues way too much for a max deal imo
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 20, 2012, 06:08:08 PM
No.   Damaged goods.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: pearljammer10 on November 20, 2012, 06:10:54 PM
H, E, Double hockey stick no to the maaaax
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on November 20, 2012, 06:36:00 PM
Only if he cuts his hair first.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on November 20, 2012, 06:36:12 PM
His play is pretty much max worthy, but you don't pay a guy max money to play in only half your games.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: Jon on November 20, 2012, 06:46:31 PM
For an average NBA team, no.  It's too much to risk.

If the C's had cap room this summer (which they won't), I'd consider it only because pairing Rondo, Bynum, and this core together would make the C's the best team in the NBA.  And that might be worth the risk. 

However, since that's not reality, no. 
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: pearljammer10 on November 20, 2012, 06:46:35 PM
Here is the perfect reason why I wouldnt give him one.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/11/20/former-andrew-bynum-teammate-says-no-other-nba-player-likes-basketball-less/ (http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/11/20/former-andrew-bynum-teammate-says-no-other-nba-player-likes-basketball-less/)

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“I started investigating [the bowling] a little bit,” Twersky said. “And one of the people that I hit, a guy who has played with him before, he texted me back and said ‘I don’t know if that’s true [the bowling], but I do know that I’ve never met another player in the league who likes basketball less [than Bynum].”
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on November 20, 2012, 07:05:52 PM
No! Health and mindset.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: action781 on November 20, 2012, 07:27:43 PM
So difficult....

Of all the people who get a max deal, his play is one of the few who actually deserve it.

But he just can't be counted on to be healthy.  If he is given the max, there is a greater than 50% chance he will turn into another McGrady, Yao, Redd, Amare, Brandon Roy...  A star player who was worth the money but injuries turned the contract into one of biggest handicaps in the league.  Then there is a less than 50 % chance that he simply lives up to the value of this contract.  There is 0% chance of him exceeding the value of a max contract.

Someone will give him the max and they will very likely regret it down the road.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: jdz101 on November 20, 2012, 07:35:38 PM
There was word he went bungee jumping when he was with the lakers.

Now I'm no expert, but if you use the leg tether when you bungee jump, you're probably going to put a whole of stress on your knee joints when the bungee flexes.

Probably not the best thing to do if you have dodgy knees. And if he did do it, then he clearly doesn't care much about the people that are investing time and money into the health of his joints.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: Fan from VT on November 20, 2012, 07:49:03 PM
It's interesting because the point of constructing a team is to win a title. KG, for example, made in his time with the C's what would in this CBA basically be more than a max contract and the C's won 1 title that I wouldn't really trade anything for. So I could see giving Bynum the max simply because if he is healthy at the right time for a couple of those seasons, he is one of the few players that could bring a team a title if he's playing at his peak for the playoffs. If he missed one full season, played 50 percent of two, and played one full season and the latter half of another with one title, that would pretty much be worth a max deal, probably more likely to win a title than paying a guy with 75% of Bynum's ability but 100% health the same amount for the same period of time, simply because you need to be extraordinarily good for 1 season to win a title.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: ballin on November 20, 2012, 08:09:59 PM
Would I have given him max money earlier on in his career? Yes. Would I now? No.

He's on the Amare Stoudemire trajectory, at this point.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: Eja117 on November 20, 2012, 08:34:31 PM
Can you make contracts contingent on health?
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: gpap on November 20, 2012, 08:35:28 PM
The only player worthy of a max deal in the NBA (if you read Celtics Blog) is Avery Bradley ;)
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: More Banners on November 20, 2012, 09:16:43 PM
No...  I would try like heck to trade him, though. 

Jermaine O'Neal 2.0:  Allstar talent, geriatric league body.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: crimson_stallion on November 20, 2012, 09:23:08 PM
I'd rather give a max deal to Amare - he's less injury prone.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: TripleOT on November 21, 2012, 09:23:55 AM
I've never been a big Bynum fan. All he ever did in LA was stand under the hoop with his arms up in the air.  He was a third or fourth banana.

I was interested to see if he can carry a team as the man in Philly, but will have to wait a few more months for that.  I'm guessing that he doesn't have enough fire for the game to thrive in the #1 role, and doesn't have the temperment to handle it in a sports town full of critics like Philly. 

The was the league works, if Philly doesn't max out Bynum, there will be plenty of suitors dying to give him max money, despite the knee troubles.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: Eddie20 on November 21, 2012, 09:30:25 AM
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20121119/SPORTS03/121118014/Exclusive-Evidence-shows-76ers-Bynum-likely-out-season?gcheck=1&nclick_check=1

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One internationally respected orthopedic surgeon, who is not involved with Bynum’s treatment and has not seen his MRIs, told The News Journal that all of the information that has been released by the player and the Sixers points to a likely diagnosis of osteochondritis dessicans lesions. The surgeon said that if this is the case, there’s a small chance that Bynum’s knees could heal sufficiently on their own in time for him to return for the playoffs this season, but called that scenario “wishing on a star.”

“While they can heal non-operatively, they can take a long time [four to six months] to heal, and in adult athletes, frequently they will require surgical intervention at some point if there isn’t adequate healing within the first several months of treatment,” the surgeon said.

He added that if the 25-year-old returns to the court too early and the lesions become large enough, the condition could become career threatening. The surgeon spoke on condition of anonymity because Bynum is not his patient, but this probable diagnosis, given the player’s symptoms and treatment thus far, is backed up by reams of medical literature.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: mgent on November 21, 2012, 09:42:52 AM
Never in a million years.  There are usually certain guys worth taking the gamble on, in my opinion Bynum is not one.  Maybe I'll give him 2nd best center when healthy, but he's no where near Dwight and could never be the #1 guy on a contender.  He'll go to a horrible team for the max and just end up being one of those guys unless one day he gets traded.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 18, 2013, 11:05:48 PM
I feel this is a very appropriate time to bump this thread.

Seriously, season-ending surgery...again? What in the world does Philly do? Do you keep him and hope he signs a short deal packed with ways for Philly to cut him? Take the cap space and go elsewhere, like a Josh Smith? Or just hang on to it?
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: hpantazo on March 18, 2013, 11:07:44 PM
Dude most likely will never play a single healthy season again. It would be downright idiotic to give him a max deal.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on March 18, 2013, 11:15:43 PM
i wouldn't give him a handshake....he has TWO worn out knees that need replacement like 80 year old men have done....... there is NO LUBRICATE in his knee, its bone on bone and they are worn out.....period ...they is no miracle stem cell fix yet....... he has had injection with the lakers or lub to make his knee operate...it is a temp fix and this may not even be possible , if the joints are slap worn out.

the whole medical staff and laywers for letting Philly do this deal should be fired.

At the monent , REPLACEMENT KNEE joints is the only way the dude can be even be a normal guy half way , much less play any type of basketball.

He is finished .......has millions in the bank ....and now cripple for the the rest of his life. The lakers justed him up like a rag doll and dumped him ... a man that needs to total knee replacements,

Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: gpap on March 18, 2013, 11:46:13 PM
Probably not.

I would be tempted because if healthy, he's arguably the best center in the league.

However, I just don't think Bynum will ever be healthy nor does it seem like he really has the desire to continue having a successful career.

Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: BballTim on March 18, 2013, 11:47:58 PM
Would I have given him max money earlier on in his career? Yes. Would I now? No.

He's on the Amare Stoudemire trajectory, at this point.

  At least he wishes he was.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: Fafnir on March 19, 2013, 12:01:20 AM
No...  I would try like heck to trade him, though. 

Jermaine O'Neal 2.0:  Allstar talent, geriatric league body.
Jermaine O'Neal had a healthy 5 continous years play where he only missed a few games.

Bynum's only had two, and they were separated by a ton of injuries and years.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: StartOrien on March 19, 2013, 12:37:55 AM
Greg Oden's legs with Marc Blount's heart. Stay away from this kid.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 19, 2013, 12:41:24 AM
Haha. No. Philly screwed themselves with this deal. Iggy was perfect for them.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on March 19, 2013, 01:24:16 AM
Would you give Bynum a vet min deal? (FYP)
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: SparzWizard on March 19, 2013, 01:33:23 AM
Man I remember Bynum always giving us problems back in 2010 Finals and the times when we played against them in the regular season.

I'd totally try to get that guy.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: LooseCannon on March 19, 2013, 01:34:09 AM
If the salary cap rules permitted it (they don't), would you do a sign-and-trade of Brandon Bass for Bynum on a max deal?
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: CelticConcourse on March 19, 2013, 07:37:54 AM
Noooooooooo way!
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: Moranis on March 19, 2013, 01:41:20 PM
I'd probably give him max dollars but would put a team option on the years.  Something like 1 year, 17 million with a team option for year 2 and year 3 (and if you accept the year 3 option, years 4 and 5 are automatically triggered).  So minimum 17 million 1 year, but maximum 5 year, 100 million (or whatever the numbers work out to).
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: Bankshot on March 19, 2013, 01:47:03 PM
Noooooooooo way!
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 19, 2013, 01:53:47 PM
Haha. No. Philly screwed themselves with this deal. Iggy was perfect for them.

I think Iggy, while not expendable by any means, was the wrong guy for Philly to build a franchise around.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: wdleehi on March 19, 2013, 02:01:22 PM
Haha. No. Philly screwed themselves with this deal. Iggy was perfect for them.

I think Iggy, while not expendable by any means, was the wrong guy for Philly to build a franchise around.


I think they maxed out with Iggy as the center piece.



The rolled the die.  It failed. 



I wouldn't offer him the max, but if I was the 76ers, I would still try to resign him.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: Rondo2287 on March 19, 2013, 02:25:10 PM
Not max, but more than hibbert got this offseason.  When right Bynum can be a franchise altering piece
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: ItStaysYang on March 19, 2013, 02:33:43 PM
Only Philly can really make that call. Who knows what the real deal is with those knees. If his physicians think he can be back after surgery to his prior self or close, then sure
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: CelticConcourse on March 19, 2013, 04:40:46 PM
Not max, but more than hibbert got this offseason.  When right Bynum can be a franchise altering piece

More than Hibbert?! Nooooooooooooooo way! Maybe a fully unguaranteed deal ;)
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: Geo123 on March 19, 2013, 05:38:48 PM
It seems almost a forgone conclusion he's going to get the max, some desperate team will throw the money at him. Im glad the celtics don't have ample cap space to make a large free agent splash.

Maybe he can prove me wrong but I think whoever gets him is going to regret it down the road.

Is he Greg Oden 2.0 or am I wrong?

Well he's already done more in his career than Oden so you can't call him that.  If I were Philly I would let him go and sign Big Al...
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: Q_FBE on March 19, 2013, 06:15:07 PM
Say no to Mark Blount Junior.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: bfrombleacher on May 03, 2013, 02:39:28 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/cVxDAcU.jpg)
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: NocturnalRebel on May 03, 2013, 03:03:00 AM
Not sleeping on his talent because if he could stay healthy  he would probably be worth a max deal but he can't so no I wouldn't give it to him.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: Roy H. on May 03, 2013, 08:37:14 AM
(http://philly.barstoolsports.com/files/2012/11/bynum-mr-glass.jpg)
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: Clench123 on May 03, 2013, 08:38:55 AM
Not sleeping on his talent because if he could stay healthy  he would probably be worth a max deal but he can't so no I wouldn't give it to him.

That his a big IF, my friend.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: Rondo2287 on May 03, 2013, 08:53:58 AM
Yes I would.  Gotta take a chance to get a difference maker star caliber player in this league.  When healthy bynum is that player IMO. 

Its a risk absolutely, but one I would take
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: slamtheking on May 03, 2013, 08:55:31 AM
nope.  needs to be healthy for a few consecutive seasons to earn that kind of money.  right now, I think an $8 mill 1 year deal would be about right.  a bit low for his talent if he's healthy but not too much if he's not and it's an out for him or the team depending on whether he over or under performs.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: krook on May 03, 2013, 08:56:51 AM
i gave igoudala a max not bynum
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: Rondo2287 on May 03, 2013, 09:01:43 AM
i gave igoudala a max not bynum

Why?  Igoudala is a third tier star
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: Roy H. on May 03, 2013, 09:02:28 AM
i gave igoudala a max not bynum

I wouldn't want Iggy on a max deal, either.  Committing that much money to a non-superstar is a mistake in my mind, especially with the more punitive luxury tax going into effect.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: mkogav on May 03, 2013, 09:22:23 AM
It seems almost a forgone conclusion he's going to get the max, some desperate team will throw the money at him. Im glad the celtics don't have ample cap space to make a large free agent splash.

Maybe he can prove me wrong but I think whoever gets him is going to regret it down the road.

Is he Greg Oden 2.0 or am I wrong?

I agree that whoever signs him will regret it. It doesn't have to be a max deal either, just 10+ million for multiple years.

I don't believe Oden is a 100% match. Injury? Yes. However Oden, as far as I can tell, wants to play ball, but his body won't let him. Bynum's desire to play is certainly in question.

Want some prof? Check out: Andrew Bynum Flamenco Dances In Spain http://wp.me/p14ch1-2Hv

Mk

Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: Eja117 on May 03, 2013, 09:23:36 AM
It seems almost a forgone conclusion he's going to get the max, some desperate team will throw the money at him. Im glad the celtics don't have ample cap space to make a large free agent splash.

Maybe he can prove me wrong but I think whoever gets him is going to regret it down the road.

Is he Greg Oden 2.0 or am I wrong?
I'd offer him a minimum deal. If I were a Euro team I'd offer him maybe a little more
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: krook on May 03, 2013, 09:25:12 AM
a healthy mozgov deserves a little bit, like if he takes 3.1 give him 3.5...he defended bynum when he was still in lakers
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: Rondo2287 on May 03, 2013, 09:33:49 AM
a healthy mozgov deserves a little bit, like if he takes 3.1 give him 3.5...he defended bynum when he was still in lakers

What?
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: kozlodoev on May 03, 2013, 10:19:50 AM
a healthy mozgov deserves a little bit, like if he takes 3.1 give him 3.5...he defended bynum when he was still in lakers

What?
It's krook, our rezident Mozgov binkie.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: esel1000 on May 03, 2013, 10:39:50 AM
Haha oh Bynum...

http://nba.si.com/2013/05/01/andrew-bynum-dancing-flamenco-spain/
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: pearljammer10 on May 03, 2013, 10:45:58 AM
(http://philly.barstoolsports.com/files/2012/11/bynum-mr-glass.jpg)

They calllll me mistaah glaasss.


Brilliant picture.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: pearljammer10 on May 03, 2013, 10:46:50 AM
And I would give Iggy more money than Bynum. Not saying I would max him. I also wouldnt have traded Iggy for Bynum if i was in the Sixers front office.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: edwardjkasche on May 03, 2013, 10:56:40 AM
Lord no!  Bynum is an idiot and a locker room vacuum.  No one should sign him to a max deal.  But, knowing it's the NBA, someone will.  Someone running a bad franchise.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: PhoSita on May 03, 2013, 11:07:17 AM
Definitely not.  A degenerative knee issue by definition isn't going to get better over time.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: KGs Knee on May 03, 2013, 11:09:36 AM
I'd be more inclined to give Andrew Bogut a max deal.  At least the "other" Andrew is looking like it's possible for him to be healthy again.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: Geo123 on May 03, 2013, 11:14:53 AM
No.  He won't get a max deal plus he probably IMO will look to sign a 1 year deal to try and build his value back up...

Any long term deal he would be offered would be a GM killer
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: bobbyv on May 03, 2013, 11:22:15 AM
This is the kind of deal that gets GM's fired...
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on May 03, 2013, 11:34:49 AM
 his Knees are bone on Bone ...he needs TWO knee joint replacements .   to much wear for injections to work anymore .....he going down HILL really fast . Knees like a 75-80 year old man who worked hqrd all his life.   Not worth a box of crackerjacks IMO


Pau Gasol...is planning on getting the stim -cell (VERY EXPENSIVE) , his issues are totally diff then Bynum . 

Gasol , might get some better after the treatments. 

Never seen NBA players play on replacement knee joints

Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: TheBig5 on May 03, 2013, 11:36:30 AM
I don't think he will get offered anything close to a max deal. He will most likely get a 2 year deal with a team option or 1 year deal.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: gpap on May 03, 2013, 11:43:22 AM
No way. I've changed my mind. This is guy is a bum.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: scaryjerry on May 03, 2013, 11:53:34 AM
Lol

Would you give me a max deal?
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: Fred Roberts on May 03, 2013, 12:02:42 PM
NO WAY. Has he ever had 1 fully healthy season as a top tier player?? Maybe he had 1. This dude is always injured. No thanks.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on May 03, 2013, 12:04:37 PM
Nope. His knees aint worth max money.

Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: Chief on May 03, 2013, 12:07:11 PM
I would rather give money to Oden.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: crimson_stallion on May 03, 2013, 12:42:30 PM
You've got to be kidding me, right?

Not only does he has an injury tendancy somewhere in between Greg Oden and Amare, but even when he is healthy the guy is an abolute head case.

I would probably name at least 10 centers I would take over this guy even when healthy, and KG is one of them.  Bynum is an absolutely and utter moron.

Let me put things into perspective.  Firstly he has a tendancy to break team rules by doing contract breaking R&R activities while healing, only to reinjure himself in the process.  You want your $100m player being out a season because he decided to go skiing on his torn ACL?

Secondly the guy makes bonehead decisions ON the court.  You want your 7 foot center (who happens to have zero range outside of 5 feet) taking threes?  I thought not.

If you want to take a chance on a head case the do so in Demarcus Cousins or Josh Smith.  Cousins has age and health on his side, while Smith is just a superior athlete and talent.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: Q_FBE on May 03, 2013, 01:11:21 PM
That would be as dumb as giving Vin Baker a maximum deal. The way the game is oriented toward PGs, SFs and PFs, no center is a maximum player these days. The best center in the league is probably Marc Gasol. Is he a maximum player?

Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant, and of course Lebron James are your maximum players today.
Title: Re: Would you give Andrew Bynum a max deal?
Post by: Edgar on May 03, 2013, 01:12:05 PM
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