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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: crownontherocks on November 20, 2012, 11:46:28 AM
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According to Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports, Darko Milicic will be leaving the Boston Celtics to be with his ill mother. Milicic has not been playing much with Boston. The lack of playing time has been especially surprising due to the lack of size the Celtics tend to put out on the floor.
“After failing to play since opening night, Milicic has also been frustrated with his lack of a role with the Celtics, sources said.” -Adrian Wojnarowski
Wojo goes on to discuss future plans for the Celtics. According to sources, Celtics veterans are lobbying for Kenyon Martin. Here is the breakdown of Martin’s recent career.
“Martin, 34, averaged five points and four rebounds in a reserve role for the Los Angeles Clippers a season ago. His game has dropped off significantly in recent years and he’s become flustered over why he’s struggled to find an NBA team willing to sign him this season. Martin has averaged 13 points and seven rebounds in his 12 NBA seasons with the Nets, Nuggets and Clippers.” -Wojnarowski
It will be interesting to see if the Celtics hold a spot on their roster or simply pick up Martin. He seems to be on the tail end of his career, however it is difficult not to give Celtics veterans what they ask for. Personally, I am split on this decision. If the vets weren’t asking for it, I would say no way. Stay tuned as we will update you on any new information.
http://celticfanchat.com/2012/11/19/report-milicic-may-leave-celtics-celts-vets-lobbying-for-kenyon-martin/
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I'm for it, why not? It might cut into sullys minutes but even at his age he is still an above average defender with decent athleticism. Plus I think he has a nastry streak that would fit well with the personality of this team.
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I'm for it, why not? It might cut into sullys minutes but even at his age he is still an above average defender with decent athleticism. Plus I think he has a nastry streak that would fit well with the personality of this team.
I'm for it on the Vet minimum, I think he'll come in with a chip on his shoulder and play pretty aggressive defense which I'm a huge fan of.
the problem will be his body holding up.
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The only reason the c's would sign him is if they plan on trading bass or sullinger along with other players for a legit Center. This would allow us to still have depth at the PF spot . Otherwise they need to leave an open roster spot in case a decent center gets bought out later in the year.
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The only reason the c's would sign him is if they plan on trading bass or sullinger along with other players for a legit Center. This would allow us to still have depth at the PF spot . Otherwise they need to leave an open roster spot in case a decent center gets bought out later in the year.
I don't nessacarily agree with that notion..if the celtics don't play sully this year they're trading him? The kid is only 20 years old, I'm sure he's not just included in this years plan.
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The only reason the c's would sign him is if they plan on trading bass or sullinger along with other players for a legit Center. This would allow us to still have depth at the PF spot . Otherwise they need to leave an open roster spot in case a decent center gets bought out later in the year.
They'll just cut Joseph if that happens, I don't think they really see him as a future contributor.
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I'm for it, why not? It might cut into sullys minutes but even at his age he is still an above average defender with decent athleticism. Plus I think he has a nastry streak that would fit well with the personality of this team.
I'm for it on the Vet minimum, I think he'll come in with a chip on his shoulder and play pretty aggressive defense which I'm a huge fan of.
the problem will be his body holding up.
I think that's all the C's could offer and honestly for the vet min Kmart is a great bargain
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Curious, what does Martin bring that Wilcox doesn't?
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Curious, what does Martin bring that Wilcox doesn't?
Higher motor, more intensity, excellent on ball and pick and roll defender. He's a player that will probably excel in our defensive system. Against the Heat I would rather have Martin to match up against Bosh. Against bigger teams I would give the nod to Wilcox.
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Curious, what does Martin bring that Wilcox doesn't?
Even if the answer is nothing, Wilcox has an injury history which makes exploring the options for adding depth behind him a prudent measure.
If the Celtics are interested in adding another big, they might be better off adding someone who is more like Wilcox than a slightly better version of Jason Collins (if one is available).
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Curious, what does Martin bring that Wilcox doesn't?
Higher motor, more intensity, excellent on ball and pick and roll defender. He's a player that will probably excel in our defensive system. Against the Heat I would rather have Martin to match up against Bosh. Against bigger teams I would give the nod to Wilcox.
Martin is the type of guy that loves defending the best players on the team. Why put him against Bosh when we can put him against Lebron? I doubt he'd do worse than Jeff Green.
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(http://gossilicious.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/celtics_stephon_marbury.jpg)
The Boston veterans are not good GM's
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If we buyout Darko, I would hope to add either Martin or Birdman - both offer skill-sets that none of our non-KG bigs do.
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Martin would allow us to put some terrifying defensive lineups on the court. Bradley/Lee/Pierce/Martin/Garnett?
I'd like to see it happen. Martin can play defense, he's mobile, he can finish and he can rebound. I think he'd really help this team.
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Martin would allow us to put some terrifying defensive lineups on the court. Bradley/Lee/Pierce/Martin/Garnett?
I'd like to see it happen. Martin can play defense, he's mobile, he can finish and he can rebound. I think he'd really help this team.
Exactly my thought when I first heard of this
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Martin played aggressive defense last year sure, but did he play good defense? He can't rebound or score anymore certainly.
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I think Martin is done.
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This is a win win for everybody if it happens. We sign Martin to a vet min, if he rides the pine...So what? If he plays 10 minutes a game, awesome he'll be perfect, if he plays well enough to get 20+ even better. Id consider this a no risk only reward type signing.
He would be great in the locker room, has been heavily playoff tested, and is a great defender who will probably be even better alongside KG.
Also, if we end up making a bigger trade that involves Bass or Sully, Martin would be great insurance for us. Like someone said, he wants to play anywhere and is desperate, so he will probably be playing with a chip on his shoulder and give us some incredible intensity.
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Martin played aggressive defense last year sure, but did he play good defense? He can't rebound or score anymore certainly.
I wouldn't say he CAN'T rebound..he averaged 4 rebs per 20 minutes lol
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Kenyon Martin's rebounding rate for last season and for his career is around the same as that of Brandon Bass.
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(http://gossilicious.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/celtics_stephon_marbury.jpg)
The Boston veterans are not good GM's
starbury wasnt horrible on our team lol
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Curious, what does Martin bring that Wilcox doesn't?
I think Martin is a bit more dynamic on the offensive end, can play perimeter defense a bit better, and has a "don't F with me" edge that this team sorely needs outside of KG.
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starbury wasnt horrible on our team lol
Correct, he was beyond horrible.
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If we can't add Josh Smith one day/ or found to be impossible...
Then,We need a real center , such as Gortat, and maybe add a rebounder such as Paul Milsap. :)
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I'd say for all intents and purposes, Martin is a center as well. He doesn't quite have the size we'd like, but unlike some of the other power forwards we have on this team masquerading as centers, he's actually a shotblocking threat. So even as an undersized 5, we should be able to keep up the defensive intensity with KG out.
And the chance of that happening makes any risk of signing him worthwhile (though a minimum deal is hardly a risk).
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If we can't add Josh Smith one day/ or found to be impossible...
Then,We need a real center , such as Gortat, and maybe add a rebounder such as Paul Milsap. :)
And while we're at it, why not add a guy such as Kyrie Irving to back up Rondo?
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(http://gossilicious.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/celtics_stephon_marbury.jpg)
The Boston veterans are not good GM's
starbury wasnt horrible on our team lol
No, just the worst player ive ever seen
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I don't mind this for one key reason...Martin could be our primary backup PF behind either Bass or Sully (whichever we keep) and then with that the other of those guys would become a solid trade chip.
Even if Martin didn't impress or got injured, we'd have Wilcox out there capable of backing up both C and PF.
The best bet is probably either Sully + Lee (~$8M) or Bass + Melo (~ $7M), plus a pick thrown in to sweet the deal.
That's solid talent young talent going out regadless of which deal, and with the addition of Martin (for Vet min) and the return of Bradley we would be giving up very little in return (since all outgoing players are pretty much redundant for us by then).
I'm happy with Martin being our Backup PF. He's not a fantstic scorer but he should be (by far) the best defensive player we have at PF and may help to protect the basket in ways that Wilcox, Bass and Sully do not.
I think Wilcox + Martin would be a nice front line off the bench and should give us a nice combination of size and mobility as well as a ton of toughneszs and energy.
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This team desperately needs toughness. Martin can provide that, and the vetmin to boot. I don't see a downside to bringing him in, as long as he agrees to his role here, as a 10th man type.
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This is a win win for everybody if it happens. We sign Martin to a vet min, if he rides the pine...So what? If he plays 10 minutes a game, awesome he'll be perfect, if he plays well enough to get 20+ even better. Id consider this a no risk only reward type signing.
He would be great in the locker room, has been heavily playoff tested, and is a great defender who will probably be even better alongside KG.
Also, if we end up making a bigger trade that involves Bass or Sully, Martin would be great insurance for us. Like someone said, he wants to play anywhere and is desperate, so he will probably be playing with a chip on his shoulder and give us some incredible intensity.
Great post, agree 100%. Always liked Martin's intensity. My only hesitation is that Sully likely loses playing time which swings the balance of the team from "getting younger" (Rondo, Green, Bradley, Lee, Sully) back to "over the hill" (PP, KG, JT, Barbosa, Martin). Just knowing Doc's history, he will go with the vets in crunch time which means you give up the energy and athleticism of the youth.
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I signed him on my 2K association season. He got upset about his lack of playing time and requested a trade :)
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I signed him on my 2K association season. He got upset about his lack of playing time and requested a trade :)
Wouldn't do that in real life. He's LOVE playing like 10-12 minutes per game for this team. Him and KG just going wild on the other team's big men with their crafty mind control? C'mon man
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I signed him on my 2K association season. He got upset about his lack of playing time and requested a trade :)
Wouldn't do that in real life. He's LOVE playing like 10-12 minutes per game for this team. Him and KG just going wild on the other team's big men with their crafty mind control? C'mon man
KG and K-Mart would be pretty sick on the court together. Scowls and 'bows flying all over the place
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I signed him on my 2K association season. He got upset about his lack of playing time and requested a trade :)
Wouldn't do that in real life. He's LOVE playing like 10-12 minutes per game for this team. Him and KG just going wild on the other team's big men with their crafty mind control? C'mon man
KG and K-Mart would be pretty sick on the court together. Scowls and 'bows flying all over the place
I read this quickly, and at first thought that it said "scowls and bowels flying all over the place."
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I signed him on my 2K association season. He got upset about his lack of playing time and requested a trade :)
Wouldn't do that in real life. He's LOVE playing like 10-12 minutes per game for this team. Him and KG just going wild on the other team's big men with their crafty mind control? C'mon man
KG and K-Mart would be pretty sick on the court together. Scowls and 'bows flying all over the place
I read this quickly, and at first thought that it said "scowls and bowels flying all over the place."
Hahahaha. Sick scowling bowels too, which is the worst kind to have flying around :)
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No, just the worst player ive ever seen
He realy wasn't that bad. He was terrible offensively, but his defense was passable and he did a solid job as a playmaker when he was in.
I'd take Marbury over JaJuan Johnson any day of the week lol
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No, just the worst player ive ever seen
He realy wasn't that bad. He was terrible offensively, but his defense was passable and he did a solid job as a playmaker when he was in.
I'd take Marbury over JaJuan Johnson any day of the week lol
Not to mention that he came to Celtics really out of shape and with deteriorated skills.
It wasn't Starbury, just a shadow of his former self.
Anyway, Martin, provided he stays healthy is a good player to give you an aggressiveness boost. He has heart. He won't stand around doing anything and will always try to give his best.
That's a big plus.
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I'm lobbying to DUMP JEFF GREEN and LEE and get a BIG ..WHO can play IN THE PAINT
If not for Sully ...the Celtics would look like the paint is some sort of "FORBIDDEN ZONE"
Is Sully the ONLY person not afraid or ashamed to fight it out in the paint?
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Kenyon Martin should've happened yesterday. He was still a very good post and pick defender last season, two big weaknesses of this team. Also, he's as nasty and mean as it gets in the league and just what this very soft team needs.
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Danny Ainge should go to KMart at midnight on Thanksgiving. Sign him to the vetmin, and grab a 50 inch big screen TV for $288.
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Danny Ainge should go to KMart at midnight on Thanksgiving. Sign him to the vetmin, and grab a 50 inch big screen TV for $288.
lol tp
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Kenyon Martin should've happened yesterday. He was still a very good post and pick defender last season, two big weaknesses of this team. Also, he's as nasty and mean as it gets in the league and just what this very soft team needs.
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Kenyon Martin should've happened yesterday. He was still a very good post and pick defender last season, two big weaknesses of this team. Also, he's as nasty and mean as it gets in the league and just what this very soft team needs.
Agreed, I'll never understand this notion of "team x interested in this guy" or "team y lobbying for this guy." Either sign the player and get it over with, or move on!