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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: OhioGreen on November 20, 2012, 07:09:22 AM
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I'm not really suggesting this(at least not yet), but our team w/o them doesn't look horrible:
Wilcox Melo
Sully Bass
JGreen KJoseph
AB CLee
Rondo Barbosa
Don't really know about Darko, or care about JCollins.
It's a team with plenty of the lineups we use routinely right now, and one, frankly whose record I don't think would be much worse than ours is presently. It's also, young, fast, and relatively athletic, and maintains plenty of trade chips should something come up that you wanted to jump on.
There are contending teams or pretending teams out there we could get some young talent/and or picks for, for these guys while they still have value and ability(though diminishing all the time).
Like I said, it's not something I'd do right now, especially in light of rumors about the C's acquiring a big man..(please Gortat and/or Varejao). If things keep going the way they are now, however, and we don't bring someone in, or at least get rid of Doc and his small ball, I would definitely consider doing it!
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Why does this team want to go to the lotto?
Rondo is a top PG, but not a miracle worker.
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Why does this team want to go to the lotto?
Probably if they just threw those guys out. I didn't suggest that. Assuming they would get talent back.
IE. PP to Utah for EKanter,PMilsap, and EWatson, which I think would work for both teams.
Just spitballing. The way things are going now, even a matchup with Heat is a pipedream.
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You're right it doesnt look horrible. It looks whatever the next level of horrible is, times 100... + 2 for good measure.
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Are you saying I should start watching UCLA? Yay lottery!
Anyways, KG has a no trade clause, and I have a feeling he would use it unless he hand chose his destination (which would kill the value of trading him most likely).
Pierce could be traded, but I don't see it happening.
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Per 82games:
Rondo-Lee-Green-Sullinger-Wilcox
6.1 1.10 1.55 -6 0 2 0.0
Rondo-Lee-Green-Bass-Sullinger
6.0 0.73 1.55 -9 0 2 0.0
I know this is little hard to read but the key numbers are -6 and -9 which are the plus/minus numbers, albeit with Lee on the floor not Bradley. I don't think this team would be very good but as stated, the team doesn't include what we get back for for JT, PP, KG which of course would be something.
The question of whether the team without these guys is good or not is not the question. Rather, the hypothetical question of would the team including what we get back be better than the team we have now is the key question.
The answer to the key question is who knows. I think we only consider blow it up trades if we don't win. The reason we don't win would be because PP and KG are too old to be consistently good. If they are too old to be consistently good, we don't get much in a trade for them (JT is a different category).
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Don't stop there, throw rondo in there too.
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I'm not really suggesting this(at least not yet), but our team w/o them doesn't look horrible:
Wilcox Melo
Sully Bass
JGreen KJoseph
AB CLee
Rondo Barbosa
Don't really know about Darko, or care about JCollins.
It's a team with plenty of the lineups we use routinely right now, and one, frankly whose record I don't think would be much worse than ours is presently.
Re-read your own sentence and you will notice it, too.
It's also, young, fast, and relatively athletic, and maintains plenty of trade chips should something come up that you wanted to jump on.
Trading veterans away means you get into rebuilding mode. Why jump on a free-agent and give up those young assets if you're not going to be winning anytime soon?
If things keep going the way they are now, however, and we don't bring someone in, or at least get rid of Doc and his small ball, I would definitely consider doing it!
Ah, I see the reason now. You are just sore that Doc doesn't follow through with your rotations and instead uses his own plans. What a shame for him, right?
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An annual viewing of where the Celtics will draft in the Lottery for the next 10 seasons. A certain loss of Rondo. GM Ainge and Coach losing their jobs.
Nope don't want to go there.
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Banner 18
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what is this "small ball" people keep referring to? the entire league is playing "small ball" with a forward at the 5
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Banner 18
TP
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what is this "small ball" people keep referring to? the entire league is playing "small ball" with a forward at the 5
We've played about 8 minutes a game with Jeff Green at PF.
Other than that we really haven't played much small ball, other than we've mostly used what people call PFs on the court instead of Cs. We still have 2 big men on the floor for 42 minutes per game.
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a lottery ticket
...that would come up empty, because karma
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Please take a look at the following thread, outlining why KG is still statistically the most important player on this team:
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=60690.msg1339741;topicseen#new
Now check out the variety of threads here that are lobbying for us to make ANY trade that will bring us some form of quality defensive big so that we aren't playing lottery-calibre basketball every time KG rests (as we are now).
Finally take a look at the combined production of Pierce and Garnett (34 points, 4.5 assists, 13.5 rebounds, 2.0 steals, 1.1 blocks) and try to find me a player we could get back for them who would even come close to matching this production.
Now look back at suggestion of trading KG and Pierce and re-evaluate.
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This is getting ridiculous smh
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First let me repeat saying I wasn't suggesting to trade these guys right now-just opening a theoretical discussion of what we might be able to get for them should the time come that we could all agree Banner 18 isn't in the cards this year.
My personal hope(like I assume everyone elses here)is that we get it--but my reality check sees that at about a 30-1 shot! Just too much mountain to climb to beat the Heat, playing their game, and then beat any of Lakers,OKC, or Clips big athletic front lines with our "small ball". And yes, it is small ball when you start a PF at C, have undersized PF's and 6 1&2 guards and never put a center on the floor! Even the thought of that against Howard and Gasol, Jordan and Griffin, or Ibaka,KD, and Perk makes me shudder. We might not even get A rebound!
No doubt KG and PP are still very good, but they're no longer the GREAT players they once were. Not only that, but they can't play the minutes they used to either. So it's a double hit--reduced level of ability, playing just over half a game most nites(not even that for KG,our most important player!). Kg is not the rebounder or shot blocker he used to be, and Paul is becoming more and more the spot up 3 pt shooter.
To Q_FBE-----oh, we're going there! Just a matter of how soon! So it's just a matter of when we cut bait and run, and start to rebuild. Do we get something for these guys, heros as they've been to all of us, or just let them go grey and vanish into the sunset with nothing to show for it. Then you're still left with a mediocre team at best and no picks or young talent!
And again, like I said I'm hesitantly encourage about rumors of acquiring a good big man. Gortat would definitely be great. He is one BIG dude. Agile. Second in the league in shot blocking and excellent rebounder. Him and KG together--oh yeah! Now you're talking some rim protection. Some rebounding to start those breaks, so we can utilize our speed and athleticism.
And then Doc pretty much squashes all that saying "oh, we're fine and not in a hurry to get someone"! Perfect. Let's wait til we're really in a hole to do something!
So if we're going for 18, let's not screw around. Get a deal done! But this team as presently constructed has pretty much a zero chance. All you can do is watch the product and make an educated guess at the outcome. Don't like what I'm seeing so far!