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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Fafnir on November 19, 2012, 02:33:07 PM
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From wojo via the frontpage:
http://www.celticsblog.com/2012/11/19/3667272/darko-milicic-considering-leaving-team
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goodguydarko
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EDIT: Whoops! Can't knock a guy for goin home to take care of family.
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What's the point staying on a team that won't even play you in garbage mins.
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:'(
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I mean, if he really is heading home to be with his Mom, can't fault that.
But even if he wasen't, it's clear Doc considers him a DNP every night despite getting murdered by big lineups, so Can't really blame him for asking "what am I doing here?"
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There's more to the article, interesting about K Mart mention that veteran C's players been pushing to sign him
http://t.co/I0DqVylB
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Doesn't surprise me at all. Even if he has underwhelmed in his career, he is good enough for 5-10 minutes per. I'd want to leave too if I were him.
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Doesn't surprise me at all. Even if he has underwhelmed in his career, he is good enough for 5-10 minutes per. I'd want to leave too if I were him.
One can only hope Fab Melo doesn't have this attitude.
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Doesn't surprise me at all. Even if he has underwhelmed in his career, he is good enough for 5-10 minutes per. I'd want to leave too if I were him.
One can only hope Fab Melo doesn't have this attitude.
I think Melo realizes he's only played the sport for 5 (?) years and has some improving to do. Hopefully in a year or two he'll break into the rotation and be happy with that.
Darko is a different situation, I think. He's NBA-capable, and has zero minutes. I see where he's coming from.
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It's Hammer time!!
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Doesn't surprise me at all. Even if he has underwhelmed in his career, he is good enough for 5-10 minutes per. I'd want to leave too if I were him.
One can only hope Fab Melo doesn't have this attitude.
I think Melo realizes he's only played the sport for 5 (?) years and has some improving to do. Hopefully in a year or two he'll break into the rotation and be happy with that.
Darko is a different situation, I think. He's NBA-capable, and has zero minutes. I see where he's coming from.
Perhaps he shouldn't be overweight the past two years then?
The idea that if you're not getting minutes its understandable to quit on your team is a strange one.
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Doesn't surprise me at all. Even if he has underwhelmed in his career, he is good enough for 5-10 minutes per. I'd want to leave too if I were him.
One can only hope Fab Melo doesn't have this attitude.
I see where he's coming from.
Obviously you don't because he is leaving for personal reasons and to be with family not because of a lack of playing time.
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Doesn't surprise me at all. Even if he has underwhelmed in his career, he is good enough for 5-10 minutes per. I'd want to leave too if I were him.
One can only hope Fab Melo doesn't have this attitude.
I see where he's coming from.
Obviously you don't because he is leaving for personal reasons and to be with family not because of a lack of playing time.
So says Wojo, which could be the cover story leaked by his agent.
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Doesn't surprise me at all. Even if he has underwhelmed in his career, he is good enough for 5-10 minutes per. I'd want to leave too if I were him.
One can only hope Fab Melo doesn't have this attitude.
I see where he's coming from.
Obviously you don't because he is leaving for personal reasons and to be with family not because of a lack of playing time.
I'm cynical about this in large part because of wojo's article mentions his lack of playing time as a factor.
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Doesn't surprise me at all. Even if he has underwhelmed in his career, he is good enough for 5-10 minutes per. I'd want to leave too if I were him.
One can only hope Fab Melo doesn't have this attitude.
I see where he's coming from.
Obviously you don't because he is leaving for personal reasons and to be with family not because of a lack of playing time.
I mean, that's an obvious thing for him to consider, and I haven't ignored it. I'm just talking about PT here.
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If Danny doesn't add a real legit big man (6'10 +) capable of giving the team at least 15 solid mins of defense and rebounding every night ,there's no chance we are beating the Heat .
if the c's can add one of the tier 1 players without totally depleting our depth they would be legit title contenders
but maybe a tier 2 real solid defender/low post player could put us over the top too (okafor)?
tier 1
Josh Smith
Varajeo
Millsap
tier 2
David Lee
Emeka Okafor
Big Al
Chris Kaman
Robin Lopez
Kris Andersen
tier 3
Joel Pryzbilla
Arron Gray
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I just hope he agrees to an affordable buyout - I'd be very happy to replace him with K-Mart or Birdman.
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I just hope he agrees to an affordable buyout - I'd be very happy to replace him with K-Mart or Birdman.
Yeah. Collins can be our post defender.
Though I was really hoping he could work his way to taking our backup C minutes.
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If Danny doesn't add a real legit big man (6'10 +) capable of giving the team at least 15 solid mins of defense and rebounding every night ,there's no chance we are beating the Heat .
if the c's can add one of the tier 1 players without totally depleting our depth they would be legit title contenders
but maybe a tier 2 real solid defender/low post player could put us over the top too (okafor)?
Tier Better Than Any of Them:
Marcin Gortat
tier 1
Josh Smith
Varajeo
Millsap
tier 2
David Lee
Emeka Okafor
Big Al
Chris Kaman
Robin Lopez
Kris Andersen
tier 3
Joel Pryzbilla
Arron Gray
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Cmon its a cover story. He is leaving cause he has no role on this team. How can we be getting murdered on the boards every night and still Doc wont play Darko.
It should be Darko and Wilcox spliting the minutes at Center and Kg/Bass at power forward. The problem is Doc loves small ball.
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DArko leaving is just THAT much more incentive to aquire Gortat.
I think this team is gonna have to trade pieces 1-3 times this year if DA is thinking on besting the HEAT , SPURS and LAKERS.
Ronda + Bradley + Gortat + Sully and KG would be a monster sized team to cover LAKERS.....
BRADLEY wilL DESTROY STEVE NASH....he is 6 times faster and 20 years younger.
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I'd rather pay K-Mart the veteran's minimum than trade our forthcoming core for Gortat.
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Cmon its a cover story. He is leaving cause he has no role on this team. How can we be getting murdered on the boards every night and still Doc wont play Darko.
It should be Darko and Wilcox spliting the minutes at Center and Kg/Bass at power forward. The problem is Doc loves small ball.
Darko and Wilcox, while better rebounders than Bass, aren't really good rebounders.
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I'd rather pay K-Mart the veteran's minimum than trade our forthcoming core for Gortat.
Agree with this. We're finally getting back to a point where we have some young players who aren't scrubs. If I'm going to give them up, I'd much rather it not be for a player whose skillset can be approximated by a current free agent who would play for peanuts.
There's no question that Gortat is a better player than Martin. But what do we need? Rebounding? Martin can do that when challenged (see '09-'10 season). Defense? Martin isn't as much of a shotblocker as Gortat, but aside from that he's just as good or better. Finishing? Both are very good. Bricking free throws? Both among the best.
Kenyon will cost nothing but the vet minimum. Gortat will likely cost Bradley and/or Sully, as well as the $7.5 million (off the top of my head, might be wrong) per year that he makes. Given those two options, I take KMart every time.
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If Darko does in fact leave, are there any salary cap issues with just signing Kmart to a min contract?
If there isn't any hangup for that, why don't we sign kmart? We can see how good of shape he is in and how well he blends with the team. If it seems he isn't going to be a fit then package him with the other pieces to go after Gortat. The suns could just waive Kmart if they don't want him correct?
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PLAY HIM DOC
In garbage minutes.
Jeez.
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I'd rather pay K-Mart the veteran's minimum than trade our forthcoming core for Gortat.
Agree with this. We're finally getting back to a point where we have some young players who aren't scrubs. If I'm going to give them up, I'd much rather it not be for a player whose skillset can be approximated by a current free agent who would play for peanuts.
There's no question that Gortat is a better player than Martin. But what do we need? Rebounding? Martin can do that when challenged (see '09-'10 season). Defense? Martin isn't as much of a shotblocker as Gortat, but aside from that he's just as good or better. Finishing? Both are very good. Bricking free throws? Both among the best.
Kenyon will cost nothing but the vet minimum. Gortat will likely cost Bradley and/or Sully, as well as the $7.5 million (off the top of my head, might be wrong) per year that he makes. Given those two options, I take KMart every time.
KMart isn't a center, it's pretty apparent to me the c's need another legit 7 ft who can control the paint and dominate the Heat down low. Memphis did that earlier this year with Randolph and Gasol, but the c's would be even more versatile because KG is an elite outside shooter and can go down low against Miami.
I like Bradley a lot , but I think you have to do this deal if you are the c's . C's are in a win now mode and to me a top 10 center and an inside force like Gortat is a bigger need. You have to keep Lee though(I doubt Pho would be interested in Lee anyways)to have a defender for Wade and Ray.
So like others have mentioned the trade that makes the most sense is Bass ,Bradley and Melo ,maybe 1st rd pick. A third team might have to get involved giving up an expiring contract going to Phoenix with the 3rd team acquiring Bass .
pg: Rondo / Terry
SG: Lee / Barbosa
SF: PP / Green
PF: KG / Sully
C: Gortat / Wilcox
I love that front court size and toughness and balance throughout the roster. Add a sharpshooter like anthony Morrow or someone similar in a small trade and we are good to go
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Cmon its a cover story. He is leaving cause he has no role on this team. How can we be getting murdered on the boards every night and still Doc wont play Darko.
It should be Darko and Wilcox spliting the minutes at Center and Kg/Bass at power forward. The problem is Doc loves small ball.
Thank you. Darko leaving for his sick mom seems awefully similar to Royce White leaving because his lack of playing time causes anxiety.
I want to see Darko play for the Celts, but face it- Darko is a quitter and always will be. This isn't very surprising, as it has happened several times in his career already. Even if he were getting major minutes and contributing now, his past history says it's just a matter of time before he throws in the towel.
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What happened to "If they need me to kill someone out there, I will kill someone."
I guess that coupon expired at the end of October.
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I wonder if Celtics got Darko just so he wont go to Miami.
i believe the rumor was they were interested in him, that would not surprise me at all.
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Cmon its a cover story. He is leaving cause he has no role on this team. How can we be getting murdered on the boards every night and still Doc wont play Darko.
It should be Darko and Wilcox spliting the minutes at Center and Kg/Bass at power forward. The problem is Doc loves small ball.
Thank you. Darko leaving for his sick mom seems awefully similar to Royce White leaving because his lack of playing time causes anxiety.
I want to see Darko play for the Celts, but face it- Darko is a quitter and always will be. This isn't very surprising, as it has happened several times in his career already. Even if he were getting major minutes and contributing now, his past history says it's just a matter of time before he throws in the towel.
Ummmmm, Royce White has a well documented anxiety disorder going back to before he showed up at Iowa State, back when he played college ball in Minnesota. White left Houston because of his anxiety, not for lack of playing time.
So therefore, you really should believe the whole "sick mom" thing with Darko.
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What happened to "If they need me to kill someone out there, I will kill someone."
I guess that coupon expired at the end of October.
They haven't needed him to kill anyone, leaving him with very little to do.
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Cmon its a cover story. He is leaving cause he has no role on this team. How can we be getting murdered on the boards every night and still Doc wont play Darko.
It should be Darko and Wilcox spliting the minutes at Center and Kg/Bass at power forward. The problem is Doc loves small ball.
Thank you. Darko leaving for his sick mom seems awefully similar to Royce White leaving because his lack of playing time causes anxiety.
I want to see Darko play for the Celts, but face it- Darko is a quitter and always will be. This isn't very surprising, as it has happened several times in his career already. Even if he were getting major minutes and contributing now, his past history says it's just a matter of time before he throws in the towel.
Ummmmm, Royce White has a well documented anxiety disorder going back to before he showed up at Iowa State, back when he played college ball in Minnesota. White left Houston because of his anxiety, not for lack of playing time.
So therefore, you really should believe the whole "sick mom" thing with Darko.
White did leave the team because of lack of playing time. That's documented. I think they are both making excuses. If Darko was playing a significant role, nobody would know about his "sick mother".
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What happened to "If they need me to kill someone out there, I will kill someone."
I guess that coupon expired at the end of October.
They haven't needed him to kill anyone, leaving him with very little to do.
haha!
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That was predictable. Darko isn't happy unless he is playing a big role in a team.
Very surprised Darko stayed in the NBA after his time in Minnesota went so badly. I thought that was his final draw, his breaking point. I expected him to go back to Europe to a team where he could be one of their main players.
I wonder if he thought he had a chance to start here. To play Perkins' old role. Never understood Darko's interest in coming here to be a 10-15mpg backup and not even assured of playing that much night in night out.
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Doesn't surprise me at all. Even if he has underwhelmed in his career, he is good enough for 5-10 minutes per. I'd want to leave too if I were him.
One can only hope Fab Melo doesn't have this attitude.
I think Melo realizes he's only played the sport for 5 (?) years and has some improving to do. Hopefully in a year or two he'll break into the rotation and be happy with that.
Darko is a different situation, I think. He's NBA-capable, and has zero minutes. I see where he's coming from.
Darko has been lied to at just about every stop he's been at in the NBA. Combine with that the immense pressure of being the #2 pick + the mental anguish of failing to achieve his goals time and time again and you have a player with a very low tolerance when things don't go to plan.
(1) Detroit = told he would be a franchise cornerstone = lie
(2) Detroit = Flip Saunders told him he'd be in the rotation = lie
(3) Orlando = told he had a long term future there and they would re-sign him to a long term deal in free agency. That they wanted to build around the twin-tower lineup of Darko and Dwight. Then Rashard Lewis and his $120 million came along. Dumped Darko within a few days of free agency opening after all the sweet-nothings he and his agent had been told over the last few weeks = lie.
(4) Memphis = told he was coming to play with Pau to reinforce their interior to help make them more of a threat in the playoffs. A stable situation that would beneficial to Darko's development. Two months into the season Pau is traded and Memphis went into the gutter, another lottery bound team = lie.
(5) New York = told by Donnie Walsh that Mike D'Antoni would be the perfect coach form because Darko could finally play out in the perimeter like a player with his skill-set from Europe should. Walsh was clearly working off a 6-7 year old inaccurate scouting report. Awful situation for Darko because he isn't that type of player. Things went horribly = misled again.
(6) Minnesota = Kahn said Darko would be the starting center, play 25+ minutes a night and could revive his career there. For awhile that is how things went and the early results were positive but underwhelming. Clearly there was some talent there but getting it out of him consistently was a problem (because he was overweight but nobody gets him to drop the excess muscle). So that didn't last. By his final season, Darko was dumped from the starting lineup and his playing time minimized despite being Minnesota's best interior defender on a defensive challenged squad. Oddly enough, this is closest anyone has come to keeping their word with Darko during his time in the NBA.
And now Boston, it's unclear what Danny said to him but I would guess Darko felt he either had the opportunity to play 20mpg behind Garnett as the backup center or take over Perk's old role as a 25mpg starter with KG sliding back to PF.
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Cmon its a cover story. He is leaving cause he has no role on this team. How can we be getting murdered on the boards every night and still Doc wont play Darko.
It should be Darko and Wilcox spliting the minutes at Center and Kg/Bass at power forward. The problem is Doc loves small ball.
Thank you. Darko leaving for his sick mom seems awefully similar to Royce White leaving because his lack of playing time causes anxiety.
I want to see Darko play for the Celts, but face it- Darko is a quitter and always will be. This isn't very surprising, as it has happened several times in his career already. Even if he were getting major minutes and contributing now, his past history says it's just a matter of time before he throws in the towel.
Ummmmm, Royce White has a well documented anxiety disorder going back to before he showed up at Iowa State, back when he played college ball in Minnesota. White left Houston because of his anxiety, not for lack of playing time.
So therefore, you really should believe the whole "sick mom" thing with Darko.
There's a proper thread for this, I guess, but Woj makes it sound like it was largely a playing time issue. His anxiety prevents him from flying. And from showing up in training camp. And from going to practice. And from being demoted to the D-League. And from showing up at appointments with his therapist.
White has an anxiety issue, but that doesn't mean it's occasionally a pretext. Darko probably has a sick mom, too, but if he was seeing playing time, folks have the right to question whether he'd have a different perspective.
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so, Darko's problem is that he has been lied to everywhere he goes??
or, it could just be that he's not a good player and has been difficult everywhere he has gone....sometimes these players that fans call to release from their end-of-bench roles are there for a reason..
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from the brief moments I remember DARKO in the preseason games, I thought the Celtics were holding their own or making gains on the court. He made a nice difference.
I wonder if DOC doesn't want DARKO to be in the game and prove his worthless and flawed theory of small ball BB TOTALLY WRONG ???
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..maybe his mom is just really sick?
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..maybe his mom is just really sick?
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I'm going to say something that seems like it's shocking to some (most who commented)...
if my mother is sick (where I have to get time off from the team as Darko did), I don't care how much you pay me and I could care less how big or w/e my role is on a team... I am going to be with my mother! There isn't enough money or playing time to keep me from being by her side if she wants/needs me! Also, I would not care how anyone feels about it!
If they say Darko's reason for leaving is based on his mother's health, I believe him... to me, that's not something someone would lie about... even if he is lying when it's said and done, that's on him but I believe it until then, b/c I know I would do the same! I could never concentrate on something as simple as a game or PT when my mother's health is in jeopardy!
I can't understand why people doubt his reason (if it's his reason)... it sounds like some people think money and the game are more important than their mother (the people saying if he had a bigger role he wouldn't leave). Why? You think when people get large roles on a team and/or money that somehow they would put their parent on the back burner for it? Well, not me! I'm sure I'm not the only one!
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I'm going to say something that seems like it's shocking to some (most who commented)...
if my mother is sick (where I have to get time off from the team as Darko did), I don't care how much you pay me and I could care less how big or w/e my role is on a team... I am going to be with my mother! There isn't enough money or playing time to keep me from being by her side if she wants/needs me! Also, I would not care how anyone feels about it!
If they say Darko's reason for leaving is based on his mother's health, I believe him... to me, that's not something someone would lie about... even if he is lying when it's said and done, that's on him but I believe it until then, b/c I know I would do the same! I could never concentrate on something as simple as a game or PT when my mother's health is in jeopardy!
I can't understand why people doubt his reason (if it's his reason)... it sounds like some people think money and the game are more important than their mother (the people saying if he had a bigger role he wouldn't leave). Why? You think when people get large roles on a team and/or money that somehow they would put their parent on the back burner for it? Well, not me! I'm sure I'm not the only one!
Everything we know about players via agent or tweet is a PR move. It's not what's really going on.
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I'm going to say something that seems like it's shocking to some (most who commented)...
if my mother is sick (where I have to get time off from the team as Darko did), I don't care how much you pay me and I could care less how big or w/e my role is on a team... I am going to be with my mother! There isn't enough money or playing time to keep me from being by her side if she wants/needs me! Also, I would not care how anyone feels about it!
If they say Darko's reason for leaving is based on his mother's health, I believe him... to me, that's not something someone would lie about... even if he is lying when it's said and done, that's on him but I believe it until then, b/c I know I would do the same! I could never concentrate on something as simple as a game or PT when my mother's health is in jeopardy!
I can't understand why people doubt his reason (if it's his reason)... it sounds like some people think money and the game are more important than their mother (the people saying if he had a bigger role he wouldn't leave). Why? You think when people get large roles on a team and/or money that somehow they would put their parent on the back burner for it? Well, not me! I'm sure I'm not the only one!
Everything we know about players via agent or tweet is a PR move. It's not what's really going on.
I would buy what you're selling if the reason was ANYTHING else (like "home sick" or something) but I don't see why a person would use the health of a parent (family member), knowing that if it's found out to be untrue that that would be a bigger hit to their PR than if they had just said they were leaving b/c they weren't getting any/enough playing time! I mean, that has to be the lowest character person ever to lie about the health of their mother, just for PR reasons. I doubt an agent would be that stupid! If he is that stupid then he is a horrible agent (and human being)!
I almost forgot to add that Darko was riding the pine on horrible teams (DNP all the time), even though he wasn't living up to billing (didn't like the coach either), he still stayed with those teams... those were much worse situations, why didn't he use this excuse (if it's a lie) to leave back then?
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http://www.celticslife.com/2012/11/doc-says-darko-is-free-to-go.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.celticslife.com/2012/11/doc-says-darko-is-free-to-go.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
from dat link seems like its a few things wrong but his moms being sick is legit
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Cmon its a cover story. He is leaving cause he has no role on this team. How can we be getting murdered on the boards every night and still Doc wont play Darko.
It should be Darko and Wilcox spliting the minutes at Center and Kg/Bass at power forward. The problem is Doc loves small ball.
Thank you. Darko leaving for his sick mom seems awefully similar to Royce White leaving because his lack of playing time causes anxiety.
I want to see Darko play for the Celts, but face it- Darko is a quitter and always will be. This isn't very surprising, as it has happened several times in his career already. Even if he were getting major minutes and contributing now, his past history says it's just a matter of time before he throws in the towel.
Ummmmm, Royce White has a well documented anxiety disorder going back to before he showed up at Iowa State, back when he played college ball in Minnesota. White left Houston because of his anxiety, not for lack of playing time.
So therefore, you really should believe the whole "sick mom" thing with Darko.
There's a proper thread for this, I guess, but Woj makes it sound like it was largely a playing time issue. His anxiety prevents him from flying. And from showing up in training camp. And from going to practice. And from being demoted to the D-League. And from showing up at appointments with his therapist.
White has an anxiety issue, but that doesn't mean it's occasionally a pretext. Darko probably has a sick mom, too, but if he was seeing playing time, folks have the right to question whether he'd have a different perspective.
Who ever said they didn't have a right to question Darko's or White's reasons for doing what they are doing? I just disagree with moiso and others and am stating my case.
Honestly, people tend to take Woj's word like its the word of God but he's not always right and doesn't always have the inside scoop.
Everything I have read on White, including much of his Tweets, says its a problem over how they are handling his anxiety disorder and I don't think there's any question he has an anxiety disorder which is what moiso alluded to. The man has stated he would rather quit the NBA than have his anxiety order not treated properly. He has said he probably shouldn't have been honest about his condition. These don't seem like words from someone just looking for playing time.
And as ImShak said, professionals don't usually use the "my mom is sick" excuse to get out of work. In today's era of news reporting, if this wasn't true, it would be a problem for him in trying to negotiate a future contract. And apparently Doc has confirmed everything on Boston radio.
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Even if Darko wanted to leave because of lack of playing time, I would be OK with his decision. I thought he won an outright role in our team, and for some reason or another it hasn't manifested into any playing time in this early season, even through some obvious instances in which he would've been the go-to guy to provide a certain task.
I feel his whole situation was mishandled this season from our standpoint, which is a shame since he looked good in our system in providing exactly what we needed from his position and role. We're not privy to off the court interaction, or practices, but everything leading up to the start of the season suggests that Darko was doing everything he was asked to do.
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And as ImShak said, professionals don't usually use the "my mom is sick" excuse to get out of work. In today's era of news reporting, if this wasn't true, it would be a problem for him in trying to negotiate a future contract. And apparently Doc has confirmed everything on Boston radio.
I'm not sure if this is true. I mean, how many times did Manny Ramirez's grandmother die? He kept getting contracts.
Unfortunately, if Darko is using the "my mom is sick" excuse as a means of saving face, he wouldn't be the first athlete to exaggerate something like this.
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And as ImShak said, professionals don't usually use the "my mom is sick" excuse to get out of work. In today's era of news reporting, if this wasn't true, it would be a problem for him in trying to negotiate a future contract. And apparently Doc has confirmed everything on Boston radio.
I'm not sure if this is true. I mean, how many times did Manny Ramirez's grandmother die? He kept getting contracts.
Right. Although, unlike Manny, I do believe that Darko's mother is sick. I just don't think he would be leaving the team, if he was actually playing. This is just a convenient excuse for them to part ways, and both sides still look good.
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Waived per Celtics Twitter feed.
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Waived per Celtics Twitter feed.
and thus ends the melo era in boston.
place your bets ladies and gentlemen. kenyon martin is signed in how many days?
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I'm really baffled about this whole situation.
Darko looked fine in preseason. He had a horrible game against the Bucks but he was the size and strength that we needed off the bench to take it to the Heat and Knicks come playoff time.
I just don't know why they wouldn't give him time.
I actually think his mom is probably very ill and it's made him depressed- that's what Doc is hinting at.
There really isn't any other reason because it's not like we've heard about him p---ing management or Doc off.
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And as ImShak said, professionals don't usually use the "my mom is sick" excuse to get out of work. In today's era of news reporting, if this wasn't true, it would be a problem for him in trying to negotiate a future contract. And apparently Doc has confirmed everything on Boston radio.
I'm not sure if this is true. I mean, how many times did Manny Ramirez's grandmother die? He kept getting contracts.
Right. Although, unlike Manny, I do believe that Darko's mother is sick. I just don't think he would be leaving the team, if he was actually playing. This is just a convenient excuse for them to part ways, and both sides still look good.
You are probably correct, but you don't know Darko, don't know his family, and perhaps he has guilt about leaving home at 17 and who knows, perhaps he genuinely wants to help her and be with her through this phase of her illness. Maybe he'd do this regardless of PT, no way for any of us to know.
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Sign Chris Andersen or Kenyon Martin
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Darko is millionaire, he could just move his mom HERE in the good old USA...safer, better medical care......Why wouldn't doc play him..don't we ask this EVERY year about doc and a few of the obvious players who contribute that doc won't play....!!!
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I wouldn't be surprised to see Darko playing for someone else before the season is over.
Probably a European team.
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Darko is millionaire, he could just move his mom HERE in the good old USA...safer, better medical care......Why wouldn't doc play him..don't we ask this EVERY year about doc and a few of the obvious players who contribute that doc won't play....!!!
Well, maybe his mom has other relative and friends other than Darko and wants to spend the end (if that's what we are talking about here) at her home.
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Sign Chris Andersen or Kenyon Martin
Who would you prefer and why?
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Sign Chris Andersen or Kenyon Martin
Who would you prefer and why?
Kenyon Martin = can play both PF and C and is a better passer.
I would be happy with either one of them though.
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As long as they don't need a warm body due to injuries, the Celtics should leave the spot open and see if they can get to the January deadline when contracts become guaranteed to see who is available then.
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Sign Chris Andersen or Kenyon Martin
Who would you prefer and why?
Kenyon Martin = can play both PF and C and is a better passer.
I would be happy with either one of them though.
and martin is still a very good interior defender. his rebounding was mediocre to average last season, and his scoring ability has suffered. in 22 minutes he averaged 5.2 points and 4.3 rebounds.
but his defense was rated rather highly.
in contrast, bass and green are rated as poor/below average defenders. according to zach lowe:
"Breaking news: Boston can't defend without Kevin Garnett on the floor. They've allowed 94.6 points per 100 possessions when KG plays and 114.2 when he sits, per NBA.com. That's about as large as the current gap between the league's best and worst defenses."
so every minute KG is not on the floor, the celtics defense plummets and they get beaten like a rented mule. and the answer is certainly not playing KG more minutes.
so kmart would be an upgrade on that point. and as the 15th player or so on the team, if he contributes ANYTHING he trumps the darko era.
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Sign Chris Andersen or Kenyon Martin
Who would you prefer and why?
Kenyon Martin = can play both PF and C and is a better passer.
I would be happy with either one of them though.
and martin is still a very good interior defender. his rebounding was mediocre to average last season, and his scoring ability has suffered. in 22 minutes he averaged 5.2 points and 4.3 rebounds.
but his defense was rated rather highly.
in contrast, bass and green are rated as poor/below average defenders. according to zach lowe:
"Breaking news: Boston can't defend without Kevin Garnett on the floor. They've allowed 94.6 points per 100 possessions when KG plays and 114.2 when he sits, per NBA.com. That's about as large as the current gap between the league's best and worst defenses."
so every minute KG is not on the floor, the celtics defense plummets and they get beaten like a rented mule. and the answer is certainly not playing KG more minutes.
so kmart would be an upgrade on that point. and as the 15th player or so on the team, if he contributes ANYTHING he trumps the darko era.
The problem with that analysis too is that when KG sits, for most games so far this season, we're playing a different strategy, small ball with Bass and Sully together.
Since Wilcox has started playing I'd bet that the gap may not be as big, though there's still a tendency at times from Doc to put some ineffective units, like playing Green at the 4 against Humphries.
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Sign Chris Andersen or Kenyon Martin
Who would you prefer and why?
Kenyon Martin = can play both PF and C and is a better passer.
I would be happy with either one of them though.
and martin is still a very good interior defender. his rebounding was mediocre to average last season, and his scoring ability has suffered. in 22 minutes he averaged 5.2 points and 4.3 rebounds.
but his defense was rated rather highly.
in contrast, bass and green are rated as poor/below average defenders. according to zach lowe:
"Breaking news: Boston can't defend without Kevin Garnett on the floor. They've allowed 94.6 points per 100 possessions when KG plays and 114.2 when he sits, per NBA.com. That's about as large as the current gap between the league's best and worst defenses."
so every minute KG is not on the floor, the celtics defense plummets and they get beaten like a rented mule. and the answer is certainly not playing KG more minutes.
so kmart would be an upgrade on that point. and as the 15th player or so on the team, if he contributes ANYTHING he trumps the darko era.
The problem with that analysis too is that when KG sits, for most games so far this season, we're playing a different strategy, small ball with Bass and Sully together.
Since Wilcox has started playing I'd bet that the gap may not be as big, though there's still a tendency at times from Doc to put some ineffective units, like playing Green at the 4 against Humphries.
good point above on wilcox. i have liked his play so far this season.
but that also raises the question of whether doc's move is really a "choice" or a fait accompli owing to a lack of what he sees are viable alternatives for the front line.
if kmart is brought aboard and plays defense very well he might earn minutes and be able to pair up with bass or wilcox, moving green to the sf position. not crazy about the scoring there, but defensively it is an upgrade i think.
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Darko is millionaire, he could just move his mom HERE in the good old USA...safer, better medical care......Why wouldn't doc play him..don't we ask this EVERY year about doc and a few of the obvious players who contribute that doc won't play....!!!
Well, maybe his mom has other relative and friends other than Darko and wants to spend the end (if that's what we are talking about here) at her home.
speculation at best.....but the issue is why didn't doc play him.
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Greg Oden or bust!!!!
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Darko is millionaire, he could just move his mom HERE in the good old USA...safer, better medical care......Why wouldn't doc play him..don't we ask this EVERY year about doc and a few of the obvious players who contribute that doc won't play....!!!
Well, maybe his mom has other relative and friends other than Darko and wants to spend the end (if that's what we are talking about here) at her home.
speculation at best.....but the issue is why didn't doc play him.
Doc said that it was apparent that Darko's worries about his mom and family matters were effecting his play. The preseason was weeks ago and all we saw as spectators were some spot minutes where Darko looked good against pros trying to get back into NBA shape and scrubs playing for a job.
Since then only Doc can say for sure how well he has played because he is the one that has seen him in practice. I don't know how many years I have to keep saying this on this site:
YOU EARN PLAYING TIME IN PRACTICE, IN SHOOT AROUNDS, IN THE WORKOUT ROOM, IN THE VIDEO ROOM AND IN SHOWING THE COACH YOU ARE DOING WHAT HE WANTS YOU TO DO WHEN YOU GET ON THE COURT.
If Darko's workout schedule suddenly wasn't as stringent, if he wasn't staying late doing video room work, if he was faltering in practice, none of us are going to know that.
Sullinger has been getting steady minutes all year. Doc's biggest detractors say Doc doesn't play rookies, he plays vets. Then why is he playing Sully and not Collins or Darko.
Now Doc's detractors are saying its his love of small ball.
People just don't get it. Doc plays the players playing their best in practice and uses them accordingly. If those best players make a small ball team that's what he plays. If those players are bigger and dominant rebounders(2008,2009,2010), then he plays a different style. If his players are older he will run less. If they are younger, he will run more.
BTW, if I was making millions in Bosnia or Israel or India and my mom got sick, there is zero chance of me convincing her to move away from her home town and home country and home language to live with me overseas and possibly die away from all her family and friends. Never happening.