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Title: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Kane3387 on November 19, 2012, 12:21:29 PM
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Orlando, Dallas, Boston and Chicago are very interested in Marcin Gortat.

http://nba.przegladsportowy.pl/Koszykowka-NBA-Marcin-Gortat-moze-opuscic-Phoenix-Suns,artykul,151832,2,299.html

Saw the above on Hoopshype.


This is from ESPN (Insider)

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The Suns' predicament
Before the season started, ESPN's own John Hollinger pegged Phoenix to finish No. 15 in the Western Conference in 2012-13. That's dead last to you and me.

So it doesn't take a team of experts to tell you that this Suns' team simply don't have the look of a contender. Thus, we have to believe the Suns' brass might have to decide whether dealing Gortat, whose value is at an all-time high, could be the only way this team improves.

It's not that simple, though. Gortat is one of the team's best players, he plays a premium position, and he's one of the league's best bargains -- owed $7,258,960 this season and $7,727,280 in 2013-14.

The Suns certainly don't have to trade him, but if they keep him they'll have to do so with the idea that they'll be able to re-sign him to a long-term deal, however expensive it might be. Keep in mind what Roy Hibbert (four-years, $58 million) and JaVale McGee (four-years, $44 million) signed for as restricted free agents this past offseason.

That said, here are five possible trade partners with Phoenix for Gortat:


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1. Boston Celtics | Gortat for Avery Bradley and Courtney Lee

No team makes as much sense as Boston, which badly needs a big man to pair with Kevin Garnett in the frontcourt before the window of opportunity closes in the KG/Paul Pierce era. The Celtics have as many tradeable young talents as any playoff-caliber team, and though they've been very reluctant to include young defensive star Avery Bradley in any deal, they may have to in order to coax Gortat out of the Suns. Bradley would be exactly what the Suns are looking for if they have to move Gortat -- a young, hard-working shooting guard who can come in and fill a position of need.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: crownsy on November 19, 2012, 12:24:47 PM
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Orlando, Dallas, Boston and Chicago are very interested in Marcin Gortat.

http://nba.przegladsportowy.pl/Koszykowka-NBA-Marcin-Gortat-moze-opuscic-Phoenix-Suns,artykul,151832,2,299.html

Saw the above on Hoopshype.


This is from ESPN (Insider)

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The Suns' predicament
Before the season started, ESPN's own John Hollinger pegged Phoenix to finish No. 15 in the Western Conference in 2012-13. That's dead last to you and me.

So it doesn't take a team of experts to tell you that this Suns' team simply don't have the look of a contender. Thus, we have to believe the Suns' brass might have to decide whether dealing Gortat, whose value is at an all-time high, could be the only way this team improves.

It's not that simple, though. Gortat is one of the team's best players, he plays a premium position, and he's one of the league's best bargains -- owed $7,258,960 this season and $7,727,280 in 2013-14.

The Suns certainly don't have to trade him, but if they keep him they'll have to do so with the idea that they'll be able to re-sign him to a long-term deal, however expensive it might be. Keep in mind what Roy Hibbert (four-years, $58 million) and JaVale McGee (four-years, $44 million) signed for as restricted free agents this past offseason.

That said, here are five possible trade partners with Phoenix for Gortat:


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1. Boston Celtics | Gortat for Avery Bradley and Courtney Lee

No team makes as much sense as Boston, which badly needs a big man to pair with Kevin Garnett in the frontcourt before the window of opportunity closes in the KG/Paul Pierce era. The Celtics have as many tradeable young talents as any playoff-caliber team, and though they've been very reluctant to include young defensive star Avery Bradley in any deal, they may have to in order to coax Gortat out of the Suns. Bradley would be exactly what the Suns are looking for if they have to move Gortat -- a young, hard-working shooting guard who can come in and fill a position of need.

I like the polish hammer, but I'm not trading our best defensive SG and another defensive backup for a rotation caliber big man.

Now, if it was Lee and someone....mabey
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Chris on November 19, 2012, 12:27:40 PM

I like the polish hammer, but I'm not trading our best defensive SG and another defensive backup for a rotation caliber big man.

Now, if it was Lee and someone....mabey

I hate to give up Bradley too, but Gortat is VERY good.  His scoring numbers are down a bit this year, but that is largely because he is a pick and roll big man, and his PG is gone.  Put him with Rondo, and he would be a monster in the East. 
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Kane3387 on November 19, 2012, 12:27:44 PM
Other trade ideas proposed in the article.

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2. Milwaukee Bucks | Gortat and Kendall Marshall for Tobias Harris, John Henson and Drew Gooden

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3. Oklahoma City Thunder | Gortat for Kendrick Perkins, Jeremy Lamb and a first-round pick in 2013

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4. Portland Trail Blazers | Gortat for Meyers Leonard, J.J. Hickson and a first-round pick in 2013 (no lottery protection)

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5. New Orleans Hornets | Gortat for Austin Rivers and Al-Farouq Aminu
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Kane3387 on November 19, 2012, 12:29:58 PM

I like the polish hammer, but I'm not trading our best defensive SG and another defensive backup for a rotation caliber big man.

Now, if it was Lee and someone....mabey

I hate to give up Bradley too, but Gortat is VERY good.  His scoring numbers are down a bit this year, but that is largely because he is a pick and roll big man, and his PG is gone.  Put him with Rondo, and he would be a monster in the East.

Agreed. An acquisition like Gortat provides with the rebounding and inside play on both ends that would make us incredibly dangerous. It also makes us one of the biggest and most athletic front courts in the entire league. We would be right on Par with Memphis, LAL, LAC, and Utah.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: crownsy on November 19, 2012, 12:31:48 PM

I like the polish hammer, but I'm not trading our best defensive SG and another defensive backup for a rotation caliber big man.

Now, if it was Lee and someone....mabey

I hate to give up Bradley too, but Gortat is VERY good.  His scoring numbers are down a bit this year, but that is largely because he is a pick and roll big man, and his PG is gone.  Put him with Rondo, and he would be a monster in the East.

Are you comfortable with Jason Terry as your starting 2 defensivly, with Barbosa as his backup?

Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Kane3387 on November 19, 2012, 12:32:25 PM
He isn't that happy in Phoenix.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/19/marcin-gortat-vents-hes-no-longer-even-considered-in-phoenix/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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Unfortunately, in my case – for worse. I’m certainly not the player I was last season, I need to find my place in the new order. I’m still capable of helping this team, and regularly recording a double double, but when the ball sticks to one person on offence, it’s hard to find a good rhythm….

Unfortunately, my two strongest plays – the pick and roll and post-ups have been taken away from me. It’s not easy, we have a lot of plays that don’t include me. And my chemistry with Goran Dragic hasn’t been quite equal to what I had with Steve. These are things that we need to work on….

Unfortunately, I don’t think I’m even an option for (coach Alvin) Gentry. He doesn’t even take me into consideration. The situation is critical. We’re playing the same thing we’ve been playing last year, but the truth is we have a completely different set of players. I don’t think it really works. I can’t get frustrated now though, I have to stay positive.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Kane3387 on November 19, 2012, 12:33:04 PM

I like the polish hammer, but I'm not trading our best defensive SG and another defensive backup for a rotation caliber big man.

Now, if it was Lee and someone....mabey

I hate to give up Bradley too, but Gortat is VERY good.  His scoring numbers are down a bit this year, but that is largely because he is a pick and roll big man, and his PG is gone.  Put him with Rondo, and he would be a monster in the East.

Are you comfortable with Jason Terry as your starting 2 defensivly, with Barbosa as his backup?

Sign Pietrus


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Gortat reportedly turned down discussion of a contract extension in Phoenix (he is making $7.3 million this season $7.7 million the next). The publication also said he could be traded, but frankly on the rebuilding Suns there isn’t a player that’s not available.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/19/marcin-gortat-vents-hes-no-longer-even-considered-in-phoenix/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: BballTim on November 19, 2012, 12:34:25 PM

  Why would his value be at an all-time high? His numbers are down considerably from last year. I was thinking that the Celts might be able to get him reasonably cheaply after his drop in play once Nash left, although Lee and Bradley isn't a king's ransom.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: BballTim on November 19, 2012, 12:36:13 PM

I like the polish hammer, but I'm not trading our best defensive SG and another defensive backup for a rotation caliber big man.

Now, if it was Lee and someone....mabey

I hate to give up Bradley too, but Gortat is VERY good.  His scoring numbers are down a bit this year, but that is largely because he is a pick and roll big man, and his PG is gone.  Put him with Rondo, and he would be a monster in the East.

Are you comfortable with Jason Terry as your starting 2 defensivly, with Barbosa as his backup?

  If you got Gortat that pushes many of KG's minutes to pf, pushing most (if not all) of Green's minutes to sf, giving a fair amount of sg minutes to Pierce.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: wdleehi on November 19, 2012, 12:37:32 PM
I am all for it, but I don't see why Phoenix does this for a pair of SGs.


Green, AB and Melo for Gortat and Dudley does work later in the season.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Kane3387 on November 19, 2012, 12:38:15 PM
The entire read and interview is here.

http://gothicginobili.com/?p=5142

This guy is not happy and sounds like he wants out. I hope we get him.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: BballTim on November 19, 2012, 12:39:14 PM
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Orlando, Dallas, Boston and Chicago are very interested in Marcin Gortat.

http://nba.przegladsportowy.pl/Koszykowka-NBA-Marcin-Gortat-moze-opuscic-Phoenix-Suns,artykul,151832,2,299.html

Saw the above on Hoopshype.


This is from ESPN (Insider)

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The Suns' predicament
Before the season started, ESPN's own John Hollinger pegged Phoenix to finish No. 15 in the Western Conference in 2012-13. That's dead last to you and me.

So it doesn't take a team of experts to tell you that this Suns' team simply don't have the look of a contender. Thus, we have to believe the Suns' brass might have to decide whether dealing Gortat, whose value is at an all-time high, could be the only way this team improves.

It's not that simple, though. Gortat is one of the team's best players, he plays a premium position, and he's one of the league's best bargains -- owed $7,258,960 this season and $7,727,280 in 2013-14.

The Suns certainly don't have to trade him, but if they keep him they'll have to do so with the idea that they'll be able to re-sign him to a long-term deal, however expensive it might be. Keep in mind what Roy Hibbert (four-years, $58 million) and JaVale McGee (four-years, $44 million) signed for as restricted free agents this past offseason.

That said, here are five possible trade partners with Phoenix for Gortat:


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1. Boston Celtics | Gortat for Avery Bradley and Courtney Lee

No team makes as much sense as Boston, which badly needs a big man to pair with Kevin Garnett in the frontcourt before the window of opportunity closes in the KG/Paul Pierce era. The Celtics have as many tradeable young talents as any playoff-caliber team, and though they've been very reluctant to include young defensive star Avery Bradley in any deal, they may have to in order to coax Gortat out of the Suns. Bradley would be exactly what the Suns are looking for if they have to move Gortat -- a young, hard-working shooting guard who can come in and fill a position of need.

  Out of curiosity, what are the other three (supposed) offers?
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Kane3387 on November 19, 2012, 12:40:41 PM

  Why would his value be at an all-time high? His numbers are down considerably from last year. I was thinking that the Celts might be able to get him reasonably cheaply after his drop in play once Nash left, although Lee and Bradley isn't a king's ransom.

I wouldn't give up both of these guys if we really want to try and defend Dwyane Wade in the Playoffs.

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Out of curiosity, what are the other three (supposed) offers?

See the fourth post of the thread.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: More Banners on November 19, 2012, 12:43:10 PM
Gortat is a solid piece.  Thin out the guard ranks, throw in an undersized PF, and add 2nd rounder or prospect (e.g. Melo, Joseph).

Getting solid inside is key.

I'd trade Bass, Bradley, and Melo for Gortat in a second (and hope Courtney Lee comes into his own with us pretty soon).

Bradley is tough to let go, but for a true C that fits our precise need, it's worth it.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: LooseCannon on November 19, 2012, 12:47:31 PM
Would you be willing to trade Sullinger instead of Bradley?
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: ronaldo943 on November 19, 2012, 12:51:05 PM
Gortat is a beast he gets like 3 blocks a game and he gives us rebounding lets get him!
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Fafnir on November 19, 2012, 12:52:15 PM
Would you be willing to trade Sullinger instead of Bradley?
thats a much better win now trade for the cs

No clue if suns would do either.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: crownsy on November 19, 2012, 12:53:36 PM

I like the polish hammer, but I'm not trading our best defensive SG and another defensive backup for a rotation caliber big man.

Now, if it was Lee and someone....mabey

I hate to give up Bradley too, but Gortat is VERY good.  His scoring numbers are down a bit this year, but that is largely because he is a pick and roll big man, and his PG is gone.  Put him with Rondo, and he would be a monster in the East.

Are you comfortable with Jason Terry as your starting 2 defensivly, with Barbosa as his backup?

  If you got Gortat that pushes many of KG's minutes to pf, pushing most (if not all) of Green's minutes to sf, giving a fair amount of sg minutes to Pierce.

I'm not real comfrotabel at the moment with any of those three things happening.

1. I'm not convinced KG can cover/ exploit other PF's anymore. HE looked pretty cooked last year prior to going up against C's and defending them on the other end allowing him to play everyone in the paint, if this trade went through I'd rather Gortat play the 4 and P & R them to death with Rondo.

2. I'm very doubtful Pierce can play the 2 defensivly for long stretches.

3. Unless he shows marked improvement, I don't want JG playing alot more minutes, or becoming a starter to move Pierce to the 2.

If this trade did go down, I think I'd rather sign MP back and let him play the 2.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: crownsy on November 19, 2012, 12:55:19 PM
Would you be willing to trade Sullinger instead of Bradley?

Absolutly, I love Sully but I'd take Gortat over him on this team.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: jaketwice on November 19, 2012, 12:55:27 PM
What about Gortat and Wesley Johnson for Jeff Green and Fab Melo?

That gives Phoenix a young center and small forward in Fab and Jeff, and helps us get bigger up front.

Granted, it dramatically weakens our small forward rotation - but could we move Sullinger over, and run a big front line with Gortat, KG, Sulli, Rondo, Lee when Pierce needs to go to the bench?

(I understand that this line up presents some defensive issues against Miami).
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Change on November 19, 2012, 12:57:14 PM
For Avery? No Way
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: indeedproceed on November 19, 2012, 12:58:06 PM
I like Gortat a lot. I also, however, believe him to be considerably overrated.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: crownsy on November 19, 2012, 12:58:29 PM
What about Gortat and Wesley Johnson for Jeff Green and Fab Melo?

That gives Phoenix a young center and small forward in Fab and Jeff, and helps us get bigger up front.

Granted, it dramatically weakens our small forward rotation - but could we move Sullinger over, and run a big front line with Gortat, KG, Sulli, Rondo, Lee when Pierce needs to go to the bench?

(I understand that this line up presents some defensive issues against Miami).

Or any team with a Good SF. Sully can't defend quick PF's, he would get destroyed.

I would probley just Sign MP if he wants to come back instead of moving sully to the SF.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Chris on November 19, 2012, 12:59:26 PM

I like the polish hammer, but I'm not trading our best defensive SG and another defensive backup for a rotation caliber big man.

Now, if it was Lee and someone....mabey

I hate to give up Bradley too, but Gortat is VERY good.  His scoring numbers are down a bit this year, but that is largely because he is a pick and roll big man, and his PG is gone.  Put him with Rondo, and he would be a monster in the East.

Are you comfortable with Jason Terry as your starting 2 defensivly, with Barbosa as his backup?

I think a deal like this would have to be followed up with another deal, or at least picking up someone on the waiver wire (like Pietrus).

If they did actually trade Lee and Bradley for Gortat (which I personally don't think would get it done, but for arguments sake, I will go with it), then they would have too many big men left over.  So, they could then try to move someone like Bass or even Sullinger for a wing. 

But I also am comfortable with a solution that plays Pierce more at SG, and Green more at SF, as well.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Brendan on November 19, 2012, 01:01:24 PM
I have concern about AB getting back what he was, and/or last year being a fluke.

I'd rather see AB and Bass OR Lee and Sullinger.

We need to thin out SG and PF.

Then:

KG / Gortat (with some overlap)
Sullinger / Wilcox
Pierce / Green
Lee / Terry
Rondo

That's a solid 9 man rotation. Can even switch Wilcox and Sully.

Alternative:

KG / Gortat
Bass / Wilcox
Pierce / Green
AB / Terry
Rondo
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: BballTim on November 19, 2012, 01:04:02 PM

I like the polish hammer, but I'm not trading our best defensive SG and another defensive backup for a rotation caliber big man.

Now, if it was Lee and someone....mabey

I hate to give up Bradley too, but Gortat is VERY good.  His scoring numbers are down a bit this year, but that is largely because he is a pick and roll big man, and his PG is gone.  Put him with Rondo, and he would be a monster in the East.

Are you comfortable with Jason Terry as your starting 2 defensivly, with Barbosa as his backup?

  If you got Gortat that pushes many of KG's minutes to pf, pushing most (if not all) of Green's minutes to sf, giving a fair amount of sg minutes to Pierce.

I'm not real comfrotabel at the moment with any of those three things happening.

1. I'm not convinced KG can cover/ exploit other PF's anymore. HE looked pretty cooked last year prior to going up against C's and defending them on the other end allowing him to play everyone in the paint, if this trade went through I'd rather Gortat play the 4 and P & R them to death with Rondo.

2. I'm very doubtful Pierce can play the 2 defensivly for long stretches.

3. Unless he shows marked improvement, I don't want JG playing alot more minutes, or becoming a starter to move Pierce to the 2.

If this trade did go down, I think I'd rather sign MP back and let him play the 2.

  KG would probably play half of his time with Gortat and half without. Which one you consider to be the pf when they play together doesn't really affect what I was saying (about pushing Green out of pf minutes). I think that KG was out of shape when the season began last year, his play against pfs would have improved if he was left there. Paul would get about 15 minutes a game (on average) at sg under my scenario, more if the matchups dictated it. I don't think he'd be a huge defensive liability and he'd be able to shoot over smaller defenders. MP would be a great pickup with the extra roster spot.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: heitingas on November 19, 2012, 01:04:52 PM
Gortat, yuck.  >:(
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: BballTim on November 19, 2012, 01:05:24 PM
I like Gortat a lot. I also, however, believe him to be considerably overrated.

  In general I agree, although he's probably a lot more valuable with Rondo or Nash than in most other situations.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on November 19, 2012, 01:08:36 PM
I won't give both AB and Courtney.

Either one of the two + two more outside of PP, KG, Jet and Rondo and/or a pick would be a go.

I understand that we might be giving up a ton, but he does solve our rebounding and shot blocking problem. It'll be so worth it.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: alajet on November 19, 2012, 01:08:50 PM
Gortat is a solid center in this league. He isn't an all-star, but he's as good as you can get via trade with your current assets, which is, I do believe, no other player, but Bradley.

Let's face the truth.
If a serviceable center is coming along this way, Bradley will probably not be a Celtic anymore.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: LooseCannon on November 19, 2012, 01:11:54 PM
Would you be willing to trade Sullinger instead of Bradley?

Absolutly, I love Sully but I'd take Gortat over him on this team.

Well, I mean if there was a trade in place for stuff plus either Bradley or Sullinger, would you rather give up Bradley or Sullinger?
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: crownsy on November 19, 2012, 01:12:34 PM
Would you be willing to trade Sullinger instead of Bradley?

Absolutly, I love Sully but I'd take Gortat over him on this team.

Well, I mean if there was a trade in place for stuff plus either Bradley or Sullinger, would you rather give up Bradley or Sullinger?

sullinger, 100%
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on November 19, 2012, 01:13:27 PM
Would you be willing to trade Sullinger instead of Bradley?

I'd trade them both if it means Gortat is coming, along with some other pieces of course.

Love Sully and AB but we are deep enough in their spots that we can manage their loss and add a Center that solves our problems.

We gotta sacrifice something to get something.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: CoachBo on November 19, 2012, 01:39:40 PM
Given that Bradley's body of quality work is rather brief and he's damaged goods, I'd take a serious look at this deal - depending on what the plan would be to bolster the 2 after it.

I don't share the conviction here at all that Bradley is destined for stardom; there simply isn't enough evidence on him yet to reach that conclusion.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Fafnir on November 19, 2012, 01:45:43 PM
Given that Bradley's body of quality work is rather brief and he's damaged goods, I'd take a serious look at this deal - depending on what the plan would be to bolster the 2 after it.

I don't share the conviction here at all that Bradley is destined for stardom; there simply isn't enough evidence on him yet to reach that conclusion.
No there isn't.

The main reason I would prefer to move Sullinger is that if the team is keeping Bass then Sullinger would be largely redundent for this year. KG/Bass/Gortat will eat up almost all of your PF/C minutes.

Bradley is more unique in what he brings and more proven as a prospect.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: MBunge on November 19, 2012, 01:51:08 PM
Bringing in Gortat won't matter if he arrives only to get the Nenad Krstic treatment from Doc.  What's the point if he's not going to be incorporated into the offense and get constantly Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ed at over his defense?

Mike
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: crownsy on November 19, 2012, 01:53:49 PM
Bringing in Gortat won't matter if he arrives only to get the Nenad Krstic treatment from Doc.  What's the point if he's not going to be incorporated into the offense and get constantly ****ed at over his defense?

Mike

Gortat is a far better player than nenad is, and is actually a very physical defender. You can argue he fouls to much, but physical defense would not be a problem as it was with nenad.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Yogi on November 19, 2012, 01:56:46 PM
You don't trade a 20-year-old who have shown that not only he can play in the NBA but have a shot at being special, who have the attitude and work ethic to reach their potential, who are respected by their hall of fame teammates for a 30 year old who will never be a star.  So whatever the package, it must not include Bradley or Sullinger.  Gortat's salary means that we would have to do Bass/Melo and picks or Lee/Melo/Joseph and picks.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: pearljammer10 on November 19, 2012, 01:57:55 PM
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Orlando, Dallas, Boston and Chicago are very interested in Marcin Gortat.

http://nba.przegladsportowy.pl/Koszykowka-NBA-Marcin-Gortat-moze-opuscic-Phoenix-Suns,artykul,151832,2,299.html

Saw the above on Hoopshype.


This is from ESPN (Insider)

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The Suns' predicament
Before the season started, ESPN's own John Hollinger pegged Phoenix to finish No. 15 in the Western Conference in 2012-13. That's dead last to you and me.

So it doesn't take a team of experts to tell you that this Suns' team simply don't have the look of a contender. Thus, we have to believe the Suns' brass might have to decide whether dealing Gortat, whose value is at an all-time high, could be the only way this team improves.

It's not that simple, though. Gortat is one of the team's best players, he plays a premium position, and he's one of the league's best bargains -- owed $7,258,960 this season and $7,727,280 in 2013-14.

The Suns certainly don't have to trade him, but if they keep him they'll have to do so with the idea that they'll be able to re-sign him to a long-term deal, however expensive it might be. Keep in mind what Roy Hibbert (four-years, $58 million) and JaVale McGee (four-years, $44 million) signed for as restricted free agents this past offseason.

That said, here are five possible trade partners with Phoenix for Gortat:


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1. Boston Celtics | Gortat for Avery Bradley and Courtney Lee

No team makes as much sense as Boston, which badly needs a big man to pair with Kevin Garnett in the frontcourt before the window of opportunity closes in the KG/Paul Pierce era. The Celtics have as many tradeable young talents as any playoff-caliber team, and though they've been very reluctant to include young defensive star Avery Bradley in any deal, they may have to in order to coax Gortat out of the Suns. Bradley would be exactly what the Suns are looking for if they have to move Gortat -- a young, hard-working shooting guard who can come in and fill a position of need.

I like the polish hammer, but I'm not trading our best defensive SG and another defensive backup for a rotation caliber big man.

Now, if it was Lee and someone....mabey

Rotation Caliber big man? Seriously. Gortat averages a double double with 3 blocks a game. That is EXACTLY what we need in the middle. A legit center who wont require the offense to run through him but will still score, can run the floor, and can defend the bucket.

Gortat has been number 2 behind Josh Smith on my wish list for weeks because he fits such a huge need. Dealing Bradley and Lee? I dont think we would deal both of them, one or the other definitely. But I would give up just as much for Gortat as I would for Smith. And if it took both Bradley and Lee I would do it in a heart beat. There is no reason that Terry and Barbosa cant handle the SG spot together.

Rondo/Barbosa
Terry/Barbosa
Pierce/Green
KG/Bass/Sully
Gortat/Wilcox

I think this is great because currently, our best lineup consists of Pierce and Green in the game together at the 2 and the 3. We could play rondo, Pierce, Green, KG, and Gortat in spurts.

Also, who knows how effective Bradley will be coming off of a double shoulder surgery. Id take the establish vet at our greatest weakness over a third year unproven commodity anyday.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: pearljammer10 on November 19, 2012, 02:01:00 PM
But if it all worked out right my proposed deal would be Bradley, Bass, Melo, a first and second for Gortat.

Rondo/Barbosa
Terry/Lee
Pierce/Green
KG/Sully/
Gortat/Wilcox

Gives us a great ten man rotation and frees up some of minutes on the depth chart.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: angryguy77 on November 19, 2012, 02:02:39 PM
Not AB. The only way the trade would be worth it is if we win it all this year. Does Gortat give us that big of an advantage? I don't think so.

We have size on this team, Doc just needs to let his love for small ball go.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: wdleehi on November 19, 2012, 02:03:54 PM
Not AB. The only way the trade would be worth it is if we win it all this year. Does Gortat give us that big of an advantage? I don't think so.

We have size on this team, Doc just needs to let his love for small ball go.


Yes he does.


KG and Gortat can control the boards against Miami.  They can close the paint for drivers. 
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: crownsy on November 19, 2012, 02:05:56 PM
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Orlando, Dallas, Boston and Chicago are very interested in Marcin Gortat.

http://nba.przegladsportowy.pl/Koszykowka-NBA-Marcin-Gortat-moze-opuscic-Phoenix-Suns,artykul,151832,2,299.html

Saw the above on Hoopshype.


This is from ESPN (Insider)

Quote
The Suns' predicament
Before the season started, ESPN's own John Hollinger pegged Phoenix to finish No. 15 in the Western Conference in 2012-13. That's dead last to you and me.

So it doesn't take a team of experts to tell you that this Suns' team simply don't have the look of a contender. Thus, we have to believe the Suns' brass might have to decide whether dealing Gortat, whose value is at an all-time high, could be the only way this team improves.

It's not that simple, though. Gortat is one of the team's best players, he plays a premium position, and he's one of the league's best bargains -- owed $7,258,960 this season and $7,727,280 in 2013-14.

The Suns certainly don't have to trade him, but if they keep him they'll have to do so with the idea that they'll be able to re-sign him to a long-term deal, however expensive it might be. Keep in mind what Roy Hibbert (four-years, $58 million) and JaVale McGee (four-years, $44 million) signed for as restricted free agents this past offseason.

That said, here are five possible trade partners with Phoenix for Gortat:


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1. Boston Celtics | Gortat for Avery Bradley and Courtney Lee

No team makes as much sense as Boston, which badly needs a big man to pair with Kevin Garnett in the frontcourt before the window of opportunity closes in the KG/Paul Pierce era. The Celtics have as many tradeable young talents as any playoff-caliber team, and though they've been very reluctant to include young defensive star Avery Bradley in any deal, they may have to in order to coax Gortat out of the Suns. Bradley would be exactly what the Suns are looking for if they have to move Gortat -- a young, hard-working shooting guard who can come in and fill a position of need.

I like the polish hammer, but I'm not trading our best defensive SG and another defensive backup for a rotation caliber big man.

Now, if it was Lee and someone....mabey

Rotation Caliber big man? Seriously. Gortat averages a double double with 3 blocks a game. That is EXACTLY what we need in the middle. A legit center who wont require the offense to run through him but will still score, can run the floor, and can defend the bucket.

Gortat has been number 2 behind Josh Smith on my wish list for weeks because he fits such a huge need. Dealing Bradley and Lee? I dont think we would deal both of them, one or the other definitely. But I would give up just as much for Gortat as I would for Smith. And if it took both Bradley and Lee I would do it in a heart beat. There is no reason that Terry and Barbosa cant handle the SG spot together.

Rondo/Barbosa
Terry/Barbosa
Pierce/Green
KG/Bass/Sully
Gortat/Wilcox

I think this is great because currently, our best lineup consists of Pierce and Green in the game together at the 2 and the 3. We could play rondo, Pierce, Green, KG, and Gortat in spurts.

Also, who knows how effective Bradley will be coming off of a double shoulder surgery. Id take the establish vet at our greatest weakness over a third year unproven commodity anyday.

Yes, rotation caliber big man. Where has he gone that he has ever shown consistant dominance? he's 30, not 25.

When Howard was hurt in Orlando, people expected him to have these huge breakout games, instead he pretty much did in that role what he did off the bench. got garbage points, good rebounder, good defender.

He's a very, very nice player. I would love to have him, but he's not some dominate big man in the league. He's solid, and we need a solid presence in the middle, but not at the expense of both our defensive SG's, one of whom looks like a defensive stud with a possable high upside.

I'd be 100% behind bringing Gortat here, but I'd much prefer the Sully or bass + others packages that have been posted.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: ronaldo943 on November 19, 2012, 02:07:06 PM
Id do
AB and Bass or Sullinger and Lee
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: moiso on November 19, 2012, 02:11:31 PM
Id do
AB and Bass or Sullinger and Lee
That would be nice if they want Lee.  He seems to have a very low bball iq.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: j804 on November 19, 2012, 02:24:18 PM
Not AB. The only way the trade would be worth it is if we win it all this year. Does Gortat give us that big of an advantage? I don't think so.

We have size on this team, Doc just needs to let his love for small ball go.


Yes he does.


KG and Gortat can control the boards against Miami.  They can close the paint for drivers.
Somewhat they can, but not if they have to constantly leave their man to help out on Wade abusing Barbosa and exhausting Rondo
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: wdleehi on November 19, 2012, 02:34:01 PM
Not AB. The only way the trade would be worth it is if we win it all this year. Does Gortat give us that big of an advantage? I don't think so.

We have size on this team, Doc just needs to let his love for small ball go.


Yes he does.


KG and Gortat can control the boards against Miami.  They can close the paint for drivers.
Somewhat they can, but not if they have to constantly leave their man to help out on Wade abusing Barbosa and exhausting Rondo


Did they have to do that last year with Ray defending Wade?  Did it really hurt the Celtics?




No.


What killed the Celtics was Bosh pulling KG out of the C and having no true big man waiting there to great Lebron and Wade.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Change on November 19, 2012, 02:34:30 PM
Id do
AB and Bass or Sullinger and Lee
That would be nice if they want Lee.  He seems to have a very low bball iq.

(http://i.imgur.com/TaTdV.gif?news)
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: 5.9.20.34.43 on November 19, 2012, 02:35:08 PM
We may need Gortat apparently Darko is contemplating leaving the team to return home. Adrian Woj reported this however I don't have the link. I'd trade lee Sully and Melo. Not sure the numbers work out thou.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on November 19, 2012, 02:38:40 PM
I'd like to at least get a look at AB before deciding to trade. I would likely trade AB over lee but something people are not mentioning is, are you ready to give Gortat a max deal in two years or close to it? I mean, look what Asik got
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: pearljammer10 on November 19, 2012, 02:40:52 PM
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Orlando, Dallas, Boston and Chicago are very interested in Marcin Gortat.

http://nba.przegladsportowy.pl/Koszykowka-NBA-Marcin-Gortat-moze-opuscic-Phoenix-Suns,artykul,151832,2,299.html

Saw the above on Hoopshype.


This is from ESPN (Insider)

Quote
The Suns' predicament
Before the season started, ESPN's own John Hollinger pegged Phoenix to finish No. 15 in the Western Conference in 2012-13. That's dead last to you and me.

So it doesn't take a team of experts to tell you that this Suns' team simply don't have the look of a contender. Thus, we have to believe the Suns' brass might have to decide whether dealing Gortat, whose value is at an all-time high, could be the only way this team improves.

It's not that simple, though. Gortat is one of the team's best players, he plays a premium position, and he's one of the league's best bargains -- owed $7,258,960 this season and $7,727,280 in 2013-14.

The Suns certainly don't have to trade him, but if they keep him they'll have to do so with the idea that they'll be able to re-sign him to a long-term deal, however expensive it might be. Keep in mind what Roy Hibbert (four-years, $58 million) and JaVale McGee (four-years, $44 million) signed for as restricted free agents this past offseason.

That said, here are five possible trade partners with Phoenix for Gortat:


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1. Boston Celtics | Gortat for Avery Bradley and Courtney Lee

No team makes as much sense as Boston, which badly needs a big man to pair with Kevin Garnett in the frontcourt before the window of opportunity closes in the KG/Paul Pierce era. The Celtics have as many tradeable young talents as any playoff-caliber team, and though they've been very reluctant to include young defensive star Avery Bradley in any deal, they may have to in order to coax Gortat out of the Suns. Bradley would be exactly what the Suns are looking for if they have to move Gortat -- a young, hard-working shooting guard who can come in and fill a position of need.

I like the polish hammer, but I'm not trading our best defensive SG and another defensive backup for a rotation caliber big man.

Now, if it was Lee and someone....mabey

Rotation Caliber big man? Seriously. Gortat averages a double double with 3 blocks a game. That is EXACTLY what we need in the middle. A legit center who wont require the offense to run through him but will still score, can run the floor, and can defend the bucket.

Gortat has been number 2 behind Josh Smith on my wish list for weeks because he fits such a huge need. Dealing Bradley and Lee? I dont think we would deal both of them, one or the other definitely. But I would give up just as much for Gortat as I would for Smith. And if it took both Bradley and Lee I would do it in a heart beat. There is no reason that Terry and Barbosa cant handle the SG spot together.

Rondo/Barbosa
Terry/Barbosa
Pierce/Green
KG/Bass/Sully
Gortat/Wilcox

I think this is great because currently, our best lineup consists of Pierce and Green in the game together at the 2 and the 3. We could play rondo, Pierce, Green, KG, and Gortat in spurts.

Also, who knows how effective Bradley will be coming off of a double shoulder surgery. Id take the establish vet at our greatest weakness over a third year unproven commodity anyday.

Yes, rotation caliber big man. Where has he gone that he has ever shown consistant dominance? he's 30, not 25.

When Howard was hurt in Orlando, people expected him to have these huge breakout games, instead he pretty much did in that role what he did off the bench. got garbage points, good rebounder, good defender.

He's a very, very nice player. I would love to have him, but he's not some dominate big man in the league. He's solid, and we need a solid presence in the middle, but not at the expense of both our defensive SG's, one of whom looks like a defensive stud with a possable high upside.

I'd be 100% behind bringing Gortat here, but I'd much prefer the Sully or bass + others packages that have been posted.

Where?...Phoenix.

In his first season there he averaged 13 and 9.5 with 1.5 blocks with a 56% shooting percentage and came off the bench.

Season two he averaged 15 and 10 with 1.5 blocks and again shot 56%.

This year he has been averaging 10 and 10 with 3 blocks a game again shooting over 50%.

I'm not sure what better number you could get at the center slot. Again both Lee and Bradley in the same deal would be something I wouldn't expect Ainge to do but if thats all that was available Id still do it.

And not to nitpick But Gortat is only 28 (turning 29) and those extra years/days do make a huge difference on the NBA mileage spectrum.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Celtics18 on November 19, 2012, 02:48:47 PM
Whoa!!  Marcin Gortat is available for a couple of our role players?!!

Yes, please.

I love Avery.  I really do.  But, c'mon, Gortat's a straight up stud.  If Danny could make this happen, I'd be jumping for joy. 
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: esel1000 on November 19, 2012, 02:50:39 PM
Whoa!!  Marcin Gortat is available for a couple of our role players?!!

Yes, please.

I love Avery.  I really do.  But, c'mon, Gortat's a straight up stud.  If Danny could make this happen, I'd be jumping for joy.

Ditto. I love Avery as well but come on Gortat is the center we've been lacking for over a year now... this guy would literally help us match up with anybody
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: alajet on November 19, 2012, 02:53:30 PM
Gortat is 28, not 30.
Not that it makes a great difference, as he probably won't be taking gigantic leaps in his game after this point.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Change on November 19, 2012, 02:55:09 PM
Whoa!!  Marcin Gortat is available for a couple of our role players?!!

Yes, please.

I love Avery.  I really do.  But, c'mon, Gortat's a straight up stud.  If Danny could make this happen, I'd be jumping for joy.

Ditto. I love Avery as well but come on Gortat is the center we've been lacking for over a year now... this guy would literally help us match up with anybody

Won't make a difference when Wade is gushing Jason Terry and Courtney lee.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: j804 on November 19, 2012, 02:55:23 PM
Not AB. The only way the trade would be worth it is if we win it all this year. Does Gortat give us that big of an advantage? I don't think so.

We have size on this team, Doc just needs to let his love for small ball go.


Yes he does.


KG and Gortat can control the boards against Miami.  They can close the paint for drivers.
Somewhat they can, but not if they have to constantly leave their man to help out on Wade abusing Barbosa and exhausting Rondo


Did they have to do that last year with Ray defending Wade?  Did it really hurt the Celtics?




No.


What killed the Celtics was Bosh pulling KG out of the C and having no true big man waiting there to great Lebron and Wade.
didnt we throw the bigger Pietrus at Wade? don't mind a trade but would rather we keep one of either Lee or Bradley to throw at him. if both are gone well it'd be Rondo having to cover him most of the time which isnt good -- because Barbosa and Terry would get destroyed
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on November 19, 2012, 03:00:40 PM
Sorry guys but i have to be the one the say HELL NO if avery is included in the deal. I'm one of those guys that really really believes in avery bradley. At a mere 20 years old hes already elite at something. Hes one of the best defenders in the league and we can put him on wade without a worry. His offense was also looking promising before he went down with the injury. When him and rondo are on the court together we're a totally different team and i think with AB we beat the heat in the ECF. You give that up for a very solid center but the guy is NOT what you people are hyping him up to be. Id love to have him believe me id be excited as you don't know what but for what price? Give up sully and LEE and im all for it. Not bradley and bass, Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. outta here.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: pp34isthe1 on November 19, 2012, 03:12:13 PM
I think it looks bad on the organization to trade Lee in his first season. What message would that send future potential free agents?

There are 2 options I see here to get Gortat , pull the trigger and trade C.Lee and AB around Dec. 15th for Gortat or wait until after January 15th and send Bass and AB.

Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Fafnir on November 19, 2012, 03:14:04 PM
I think it looks bad on the organization to trade Lee in his first season. What message would that send future potential free agents?
That if they don't have a no trade clause then Danny will consider trading them.

Which is the same thing that Ray Allen and Rajon Rondo's time here will have said to them.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Celtics18 on November 19, 2012, 03:14:42 PM
Sorry guys but i have to be the one the say HELL NO if avery is included in the deal. I'm one of those guys that really really believes in avery bradley. At a mere 20 years old hes already elite at something. Hes one of the best defenders in the league and we can put him on wade without a worry. His offense was also looking promising before he went down with the injury. When him and rondo are on the court together we're a totally different team and i think with AB we beat the heat in the ECF. You give that up for a very solid center but the guy is NOT what you people are hyping him up to be. Id love to have him believe me id be excited as you don't know what but for what price? Give up sully and LEE and im all for it. Not bradley and bass, **** outta here.

I love Avery too, but this guy is more than people are hyping him up to be. 

I'm just mad at ESPN insider for leading me on like this.  There's no way the Suns are that stupid.  Or, is there?
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Eddie20 on November 19, 2012, 03:16:14 PM
I've seen the ages put it in incorrectly a few times on this thread, but just to clarify - Gortat is 28, not 30. Bradley will be 22 in a week, he's not 20. It might not sound like much, but it does make a difference.


I would do Bradley and Bass for Gortat. I would then sign Delonte West for the vet minimum. Then with the Darko news, I would sign Kenyon Martin for the vet minimum.

So basically Bradley, Bass, and Darko are replaced with West, Martin, and Gortat.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Fafnir on November 19, 2012, 03:16:23 PM
Sorry guys but i have to be the one the say HELL NO if avery is included in the deal. I'm one of those guys that really really believes in avery bradley. At a mere 20 years old hes already elite at something. Hes one of the best defenders in the league and we can put him on wade without a worry. His offense was also looking promising before he went down with the injury. When him and rondo are on the court together we're a totally different team and i think with AB we beat the heat in the ECF. You give that up for a very solid center but the guy is NOT what you people are hyping him up to be. Id love to have him believe me id be excited as you don't know what but for what price? Give up sully and LEE and im all for it. Not bradley and bass, **** outta here.

I love Avery too, but this guy is more than people are hyping him up to be. 

I'm just mad at ESPN insider for leading me on like this.  There's no way the Suns are that stupid.  Or, is there?
What's stupid about it?

It'd be stupid to not look at other offers, but trading Gortat for prospects is the smart move. I have my doubts our pieces will be the most attractive but Gortat absolutely should be traded if they're not committed to extending him.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Celtics18 on November 19, 2012, 03:22:12 PM
Sorry guys but i have to be the one the say HELL NO if avery is included in the deal. I'm one of those guys that really really believes in avery bradley. At a mere 20 years old hes already elite at something. Hes one of the best defenders in the league and we can put him on wade without a worry. His offense was also looking promising before he went down with the injury. When him and rondo are on the court together we're a totally different team and i think with AB we beat the heat in the ECF. You give that up for a very solid center but the guy is NOT what you people are hyping him up to be. Id love to have him believe me id be excited as you don't know what but for what price? Give up sully and LEE and im all for it. Not bradley and bass, **** outta here.

I love Avery too, but this guy is more than people are hyping him up to be. 

I'm just mad at ESPN insider for leading me on like this.  There's no way the Suns are that stupid.  Or, is there?
What's stupid about it?

It'd be stupid to not look at other offers, but trading Gortat for prospects is the smart move. I have my doubts our pieces will be the most attractive but Gortat absolutely should be traded if they're not committed to extending him.

If I were them, I'd keep him.  But, if they are looking to trade him, I think that Bradley and Lee or Bradley and Bass, for that matter, is an awfully cheap asking price.

I'll take it, though. 
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: AB_Celtic on November 19, 2012, 03:22:54 PM
I'm not really familiar with Gortat. If we traded Lee and Sully for him, would he start?

Gortat/Wilcox/Collins
Garnett/Bass
Pierce/Green
Bradley/Terry
Rondo/Barbosa

OR

Garnett/Gortat/Collins
Bass/Wilcox
...

?
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Fafnir on November 19, 2012, 03:23:32 PM
I'm not really familiar with Gortat. If we traded Lee and Sully for him, would he start?

Gortat/Wilcox/Collins
Garnett/Bass
Pierce/Green
Bradley/Terry
Rondo/Barbosa

OR

Garnett/Gortat/Collins
Bass/Wilcox
...

?
He'd probably start, though I could see Doc using him as the first big off the bench for KG.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: fitzhickey on November 19, 2012, 03:25:00 PM
I'm not really familiar with Gortat. If we traded Lee and Sully for him, would he start?

Gortat/Wilcox/Collins
Garnett/Bass
Pierce/Green
Bradley/Terry
Rondo/Barbosa

OR

Garnett/Gortat/Collins
Bass/Wilcox
...

?
Gortat would probably start, and use bass of the bench quickly. If we go small he could be first off the bench
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: j804 on November 19, 2012, 03:25:59 PM
Sorry guys but i have to be the one the say HELL NO if avery is included in the deal. I'm one of those guys that really really believes in avery bradley. At a mere 20 years old hes already elite at something. Hes one of the best defenders in the league and we can put him on wade without a worry. His offense was also looking promising before he went down with the injury. When him and rondo are on the court together we're a totally different team and i think with AB we beat the heat in the ECF. You give that up for a very solid center but the guy is NOT what you people are hyping him up to be. Id love to have him believe me id be excited as you don't know what but for what price? Give up sully and LEE and im all for it. Not bradley and bass, **** outta here.

I love Avery too, but this guy is more than people are hyping him up to be. 

I'm just mad at ESPN insider for leading me on like this.  There's no way the Suns are that stupid.  Or, is there?
What's stupid about it?

It'd be stupid to not look at other offers, but trading Gortat for prospects is the smart move. I have my doubts our pieces will be the most attractive but Gortat absolutely should be traded if they're not committed to extending him.
and are we going to extend him? or it'd be just for a rental? :o
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: goCeltics on November 19, 2012, 03:29:06 PM
courtney and avery for marcin wouldn't work $ wise, as lee is byc, however no biggie, u can just add darko

considering suns lack of bigs i wonder if bass, sully and avery doesn't make more sense for gortat, i would add picks if need be,

c's would need to sign a backup big(s), ben wallace would do fine
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Eddie20 on November 19, 2012, 03:30:38 PM
For people that haven't seen him play:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=all8nPOx3v4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=all8nPOx3v4)
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: AB_Celtic on November 19, 2012, 03:33:27 PM
For people that haven't seen him play:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=all8nPOx3v4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=all8nPOx3v4)

Well then.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: bdm860 on November 19, 2012, 03:37:07 PM
Other trade ideas proposed in the article.

2)
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2. Milwaukee Bucks | Gortat and Kendall Marshall for Tobias Harris, John Henson and Drew Gooden

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3. Oklahoma City Thunder | Gortat for Kendrick Perkins, Jeremy Lamb and a first-round pick in 2013

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4. Portland Trail Blazers | Gortat for Meyers Leonard, J.J. Hickson and a first-round pick in 2013 (no lottery protection)

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5. New Orleans Hornets | Gortat for Austin Rivers and Al-Farouq Aminu

Looking at the other proposed/suggested trades, I don't think the C's have much of a chance.

I think New Orleans' offer is head and shoulders above the others. Then Portland after that.  Milwaekee/OKC/Boston could probably be argued in any order after that.

I know we all love Avery Bradley here, but Jeremy Lamb probably has more value across the league than Avery Bradley.  I don't think a lot of GM's are as hopeful about the development of a defensive minded, but very undersized 2 guard coming off double shoulder surgery as most of us are.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Fafnir on November 19, 2012, 03:38:54 PM
I agree that the other trades in the article are more attractive to the Suns, I don't think the Suns will get offered that much.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Eddie20 on November 19, 2012, 03:39:31 PM
Other trade ideas proposed in the article.

2)
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2. Milwaukee Bucks | Gortat and Kendall Marshall for Tobias Harris, John Henson and Drew Gooden

3)
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3. Oklahoma City Thunder | Gortat for Kendrick Perkins, Jeremy Lamb and a first-round pick in 2013

4)
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4. Portland Trail Blazers | Gortat for Meyers Leonard, J.J. Hickson and a first-round pick in 2013 (no lottery protection)

5)
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5. New Orleans Hornets | Gortat for Austin Rivers and Al-Farouq Aminu

Looking at the other proposed/suggested trades, I don't think the C's have much of a chance.

I think New Orleans' offer is head and shoulders above the others. Then Portland after that.  Milwaekee/OKC/Boston could probably be argued in any order after that.

I know we all love Avery Bradley here, but Jeremy Lamb probably has more value across the league than Avery Bradley.  I don't think a lot of GM's are as hopeful about the development of a defensive minded, but very undersized 2 guard coming off double shoulder surgery as most of us are.

Why would NO do that? They have Davis, Anderson, and Lopez already.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Celtics18 on November 19, 2012, 03:41:50 PM
He can defend the pick and roll, he's pretty good as a low post defender, he can rebound, he can hit jumpers on the pick and pop, can finish on the pick and roll, even has a few low post moves, runs the floor well, moves well, is tough as nails, but other than that, he's a bum. 
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: indeedproceed on November 19, 2012, 03:42:27 PM
I agree that the other trades in the article are more attractive to the Suns, I don't think the Suns will get offered that much.

I think it shows just how poorly conceived the article actually is. The value goes up and down without any real overall theme or anything to the rankings.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Fafnir on November 19, 2012, 03:44:02 PM
I agree that the other trades in the article are more attractive to the Suns, I don't think the Suns will get offered that much.

I think it shows just how poorly conceived the article actually is. The value goes up and down without any real overall theme or anything to the rankings.
Yeah its the same as any number of our Josh Smith threads, but on sites that are supposeded to be full of news.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: bdm860 on November 19, 2012, 03:45:05 PM
I agree that the other trades in the article are more attractive to the Suns, I don't think the Suns will get offered that much.

I think it shows just how poorly conceived the article actually is. The value goes up and down without any real overall theme or anything to the rankings.

Oh wait, I thought those were more rumored trades.  Now looking at it I guess those were just one writers opinion of possible trades.  Ok, so maybe we do have a chance.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: indeedproceed on November 19, 2012, 03:53:48 PM
I agree that the other trades in the article are more attractive to the Suns, I don't think the Suns will get offered that much.

I think it shows just how poorly conceived the article actually is. The value goes up and down without any real overall theme or anything to the rankings.
Yeah its the same as any number of our Josh Smith threads, but on sites that are supposeded to be full of news.

http://deadspin.com/5929361/how-espn-ditched-journalism-and-followed-skip-bayless-to-the-bottom-a-tim-tebow-story
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: BballTim on November 19, 2012, 03:59:25 PM
Other trade ideas proposed in the article.

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2. Milwaukee Bucks | Gortat and Kendall Marshall for Tobias Harris, John Henson and Drew Gooden

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3. Oklahoma City Thunder | Gortat for Kendrick Perkins, Jeremy Lamb and a first-round pick in 2013

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4. Portland Trail Blazers | Gortat for Meyers Leonard, J.J. Hickson and a first-round pick in 2013 (no lottery protection)

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5. New Orleans Hornets | Gortat for Austin Rivers and Al-Farouq Aminu

Looking at the other proposed/suggested trades, I don't think the C's have much of a chance.

I think New Orleans' offer is head and shoulders above the others. Then Portland after that.  Milwaekee/OKC/Boston could probably be argued in any order after that.

I know we all love Avery Bradley here, but Jeremy Lamb probably has more value across the league than Avery Bradley.  I don't think a lot of GM's are as hopeful about the development of a defensive minded, but very undersized 2 guard coming off double shoulder surgery as most of us are.

  Whether you think that Bradley can keep it up or not, he's shown that he's at least capable of scoring 15 a game and playing very solid defense. I wouldn't take it for granted that a late lottery pick has more value around the league.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: action781 on November 19, 2012, 04:07:59 PM
I am all for it, but I don't see why Phoenix does this for a pair of SGs.

Green, AB and Melo for Gortat and Dudley does work later in the season.

I love AB more than most, but I'd still be all over a trade centered around him for Gortat.

This trade above would improve our team a ton I think.

I'm not about trading Lee + AB; I think we need one of them to defend Wade.  Both of them have shown a solid-excellent ability to in my eyes.  I know its early, but I have no problem trading away Green because he has shown absolutely no ability to defend Wade or Lebron yet in the past few times he's had the chance to.  Maybe he'll be able to eventually, but our championship clock is ticking.  I think this trade and getting owned in the regular season by bigger teams like LAC, memphis, lakers would eventually force miami to abandon small ball as their primary strategy.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 19, 2012, 04:11:51 PM
This is soooooooooooo  "EASY" dump JEFF GREEN in a NY second.....and throw in a Lee or Barbosa maybe Fab Melo .

Or Bass /Barbosa /Collins /Joseph...  for Gortat. 

NO FREAKIN WAY does Danny/Doc trade off Avery Bradley ( whom they 've rasied as their own ) for Gortat.


 Trading off Sully , would be an ALL TIME bad-stupid- horrible move, he is our ONLY decent yound big that is natural rebounder.... gessses and gonna be worth a mint one day.
Bradley is too special and EVERYBODY in the NBA knows it , from 3D to D. Wade .  Unless your talking Josh Smith , maybe Milsap or Varejao ....gonna have to be return special player.
Bradley maybe the only chance we have to control play of the HEAT in series.

Gortat isn't Pau Gasol or Josh SMith , but he is alot cheaper and the part of KG that isn't KG anymore.. Which still migh allow the C's to pick up another BIG NAME to go with him latter on .

Gortat is one of the pieces we are missing.  Add SMith or Milsap to him and were are knocking heads with LA.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: action781 on November 19, 2012, 04:13:28 PM
Other trade ideas proposed in the article.

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2. Milwaukee Bucks | Gortat and Kendall Marshall for Tobias Harris, John Henson and Drew Gooden

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3. Oklahoma City Thunder | Gortat for Kendrick Perkins, Jeremy Lamb and a first-round pick in 2013

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4. Portland Trail Blazers | Gortat for Meyers Leonard, J.J. Hickson and a first-round pick in 2013 (no lottery protection)

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5. New Orleans Hornets | Gortat for Austin Rivers and Al-Farouq Aminu

Looking at the other proposed/suggested trades, I don't think the C's have much of a chance.

I think New Orleans' offer is head and shoulders above the others. Then Portland after that.  Milwaekee/OKC/Boston could probably be argued in any order after that.

I know we all love Avery Bradley here, but Jeremy Lamb probably has more value across the league than Avery Bradley.  I don't think a lot of GM's are as hopeful about the development of a defensive minded, but very undersized 2 guard coming off double shoulder surgery as most of us are.

  Whether you think that Bradley can keep it up or not, he's shown that he's at least capable of scoring 15 a game and playing very solid defense. I wouldn't take it for granted that a late lottery pick has more value around the league.

-The bucks offer is no better than what any NBA team could offer in my opinion.
-OKC offer could be viable if Phoenix values Lamb highly.  That first rounder isn't going to be very high, unless its the one from the Harden trade which would make this probably the best offer on the table.
-Blazers offer isn't that impressive.  What has Leonard shown he can do?  Hickson is a guy with no real upside remaining that can be signed in FA for $4-5 mil per year.
-Rivers hasn't shown any signs that he is a more valuable prospect than Bradley.  I'd think that most teams would prefer Bradley actually.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Eddie20 on November 19, 2012, 04:15:21 PM

NO FREAKIN WAY does Danny/Doc trade off Avery Bradley ( whom they 've rasied as their own ) for Gortat.


The same could've been said before the Perk/Green trade.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on November 19, 2012, 04:17:10 PM
This is soooooooooooo  "EASY" dump JEFF GREEN in a NY second.....and throw in a Lee or Barbosa maybe Fab Melo .

Or Bass /Barbosa /Collins /Joseph...  for Gortat. 

NO FREAKIN WAY does Danny/Doc trade off Avery Bradley ( whom they 've rasied as their own ) for Gortat.


 Trading off Sully , would be an ALL TIME bad-stupid- horrible move, he is our ONLY decent yound big that is natural rebounder.... gessses and gonna be worth a mint one day.
Bradley is too special and EVERYBODY in the NBA knows it , from 3D to D. Wade .  Unless your talking Josh Smith , maybe Milsap or Varejao ....gonna have to be return special player.
Bradley maybe the only chance we have to control play of the HEAT in series.

GOrtat isn't Gasol or Josh SMith , but he is alot cheaper. Which still migh allow the C's to pick up another BIG NAME to go with him .

Gortat is one of the pieces we are missing.  Add SMith or Milsap to him and were are knocking heads with LA.

I still say trading bradley is a mistake. I will stick by that too. I think people are forgetting how good this kid is and he has so much upside. We could probably do this deal without trading him. Id rather give up just about anybody else besides rondo kg pierce and terry over bradley. Trade Lee and bass and even green if you have too but not bradley. Bradley is our ticket to get past the heat!!!
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: action781 on November 19, 2012, 04:19:39 PM
Any chance they bite on:

Green + Sullinger + Melo + first for Dudley + Gortat?

If we include Lee in that deal, I don't know if the salaries would match up.  I would include him if we can get back another player like Shannon Brown.  I think Brown could be a great guy to get out and run with Rondo.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 19, 2012, 04:20:07 PM

NO FREAKIN WAY does Danny/Doc trade off Avery Bradley ( whom they 've rasied as their own ) for Gortat.


The same could've been said before the Perk/Green trade.

I knew somebody would say that...and maybe true when Perk was young and worth something. 

I wouldn't take 5 Perks for Avery Bradley...unless its a REAL SUPERSTAR or near superstar, no way does Doc/DA let that boy go in this deal.  I'll bet the ranch on it.  Perk was scrub at his postion.

Bradley ..is critical to defending and wearing down the older elite guards on the contenders.  HAving him is like on side having a LASER GUN in a civil war battle. Its a huge advantage. 
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: WeMadeIt17 on November 19, 2012, 04:25:13 PM
Would like to get gortat. He would be great with Rondo and a good help defender. Would hate to see AB go but would be willing to get better rebounding in the long run.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: sofutomygaha on November 19, 2012, 04:27:43 PM
- A deal for Gortat would require $7M of outgoing salary.

- The Suns, as others have pointed out, are a rebuilding team. They have no use right now for players like Bass, Lee, Green, or Terry.

- Ideally, the suns would want picks, rookies with potential, or good, cost controlled young players. They would ask us for Bradley, Sullinger, and Melo.

- The Suns would only take a veteran if he was a star or if he was an expiring contract. We have no expiring contracts and we're not trading Rondo.


A lot of us hope that Rondo, Sullinger, and Bradley will be part of this team's nucleus going forward. You will have to sacrifice that to get Gortat, because Bradley and Sullinger are the obvious assets for them. Phoenix really has no reason to talk to us otherwise.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 19, 2012, 04:31:25 PM
I'd trade Jeff Green for my one-legged auntie right now.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on November 19, 2012, 05:17:45 PM
- A deal for Gortat would require $7M of outgoing salary.

- The Suns, as others have pointed out, are a rebuilding team. They have no use right now for players like Bass, Lee, Green, or Terry.

- Ideally, the suns would want picks, rookies with potential, or good, cost controlled young players. They would ask us for Bradley, Sullinger, and Melo.

- The Suns would only take a veteran if he was a star or if he was an expiring contract. We have no expiring contracts and we're not trading Rondo.


A lot of us hope that Rondo, Sullinger, and Bradley will be part of this team's nucleus going forward. You will have to sacrifice that to get Gortat, because Bradley and Sullinger are the obvious assets for them. Phoenix really has no reason to talk to us otherwise.

TP..couldn't of said it better. End thread lol
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: LooseCannon on November 19, 2012, 05:20:42 PM
I don't think Phoenix should be interested in bring back players without star potential signed to long-term deals.  I'm not sure about some of those suggested deals from the article, but I think a realistic offer for him would be Dallas offering Chris Kaman (once he is eligible to be traded) plus some combination of Rodrigue Beaubois, Dominique Jones, Jae Crowder, Jared Cunningham, or draft picks, with perhaps some additional swapping of personnel to manage roster spots.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: pearljammer10 on November 19, 2012, 05:24:41 PM
Other trade ideas proposed in the article.

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2. Milwaukee Bucks | Gortat and Kendall Marshall for Tobias Harris, John Henson and Drew Gooden

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3. Oklahoma City Thunder | Gortat for Kendrick Perkins, Jeremy Lamb and a first-round pick in 2013

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4. Portland Trail Blazers | Gortat for Meyers Leonard, J.J. Hickson and a first-round pick in 2013 (no lottery protection)

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5. New Orleans Hornets | Gortat for Austin Rivers and Al-Farouq Aminu

Looking at the other proposed/suggested trades, I don't think the C's have much of a chance.

I think New Orleans' offer is head and shoulders above the others. Then Portland after that.  Milwaekee/OKC/Boston could probably be argued in any order after that.

I know we all love Avery Bradley here, but Jeremy Lamb probably has more value across the league than Avery Bradley.  I don't think a lot of GM's are as hopeful about the development of a defensive minded, but very undersized 2 guard coming off double shoulder surgery as most of us are.

Why would NO do that? They have Davis, Anderson, and Lopez already.

My thoughts exactly. I actually had the exact opposite reaction and think the celts have the best offer out of any of those options.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 19, 2012, 05:27:51 PM
austin rivers =fail   ,  I'd rather have a one legg jeff green
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on November 19, 2012, 05:52:13 PM
I've seen lots of good ideas and thoughts here on this, and I'll just add my two cents:

Boston teams of the KG era have been built on defense, and I think it would be wise to continue in this vein. Also, Boston needs to improve in the rebounding department. In light of these two elements, it seems to me that 1) trading Bradley AND Lee is a bad idea; we need to keep at least one of them; 2) acquiring a rebounder/post presence of Gortat's caliber, if given the opportunity, should be given serious consideration; and 3) Boston should hang onto someone it already has who has such promise as a rebounder (Sullinger).

I like our current team, including Green and Bass, but if this team is serious about winning NOW, it should use its surplus (guards and undersized forwards) to address what it still needs (legit bigs and rebounders), so if Danny can turn AB (or Lee), Bass (or Green), Melo, and a first into Gortat and filler, he should do it.

This would leave Boston with a legit frontcourt rotation of KG, Gortat, Wilcox, and Sully, plus a solid backcourt of Rondo, Terry, Barbosa, and Bradley (or Lee). The only possible downside is not having a legit 3 to back up Pierce, but maybe Lee could play some there (if he's not traded), or that need could be addressed another way.

I just don't think smallball is going to work, and that the best chance of beating Miami (and the Western champ) is being big and bruising inside. Rondo can handle Chalmers, sic Bradley (or Lee) on Wade, Pierce defends LeBron as well as anybody, and follow a strategy of being tough and athletic in the paint with KG, Gortat, Wilcox, and Sully.

This also sets up Boston well going forward, with Rondo at point, AB or Lee at the 2, Gortat at center, and Sully at the 4. That's a solid young nucleus to build around.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: blink on November 19, 2012, 05:59:19 PM
I am on board with what action describes.  I don't want to give up both AB and Lee.  We are just giving up too much perimeter D.

I would hate to see AB go as well, but if we think we can keep Gortat in boston for the duration of KG and PP's contracts then I think it is a no brainer.  It fixes probably the biggest issues we have with the team.  It really makes us a legitimate contender instead of a fringe contender which is what I see us as right now.



I am all for it, but I don't see why Phoenix does this for a pair of SGs.

Green, AB and Melo for Gortat and Dudley does work later in the season.

I love AB more than most, but I'd still be all over a trade centered around him for Gortat.

This trade above would improve our team a ton I think.

I'm not about trading Lee + AB; I think we need one of them to defend Wade.  Both of them have shown a solid-excellent ability to in my eyes.  I know its early, but I have no problem trading away Green because he has shown absolutely no ability to defend Wade or Lebron yet in the past few times he's had the chance to.  Maybe he'll be able to eventually, but our championship clock is ticking.  I think this trade and getting owned in the regular season by bigger teams like LAC, memphis, lakers would eventually force miami to abandon small ball as their primary strategy.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Mr October on November 19, 2012, 06:03:41 PM
I'd trade any of the role players for Gortat. He's maybe the 10th best center in the NBA. A top 10 center doesn't become available all that often. He can also board and block shots.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on November 19, 2012, 06:04:55 PM
I dont really want a trade but I will say this....


I really like Gortat and I would only be okay with this:

Sully and Clee (Melo and picks or w/e scraps)

OR

Sully and Green (but why would PHX even consider G8 when they don't want to pay Gortat)


I don't want to give up AB so I'm not entertaining that thought! NEXT!!
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on November 19, 2012, 06:23:44 PM
I dont really want a trade but I will say this....


I really like Gortat and I would only be okay with this:

Sully and Clee (Melo and picks or w/e scraps)

OR

Sully and Green (but why would PHX even consider G8 when they don't want to pay Gortat)


I don't want to give up AB so I'm not entertaining that thought! NEXT!!

I love you
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: alajet on November 19, 2012, 06:27:53 PM
Other trade ideas proposed in the article.

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2. Milwaukee Bucks | Gortat and Kendall Marshall for Tobias Harris, John Henson and Drew Gooden

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3. Oklahoma City Thunder | Gortat for Kendrick Perkins, Jeremy Lamb and a first-round pick in 2013

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4. Portland Trail Blazers | Gortat for Meyers Leonard, J.J. Hickson and a first-round pick in 2013 (no lottery protection)

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5. New Orleans Hornets | Gortat for Austin Rivers and Al-Farouq Aminu

Looking at the other proposed/suggested trades, I don't think the C's have much of a chance.

I think New Orleans' offer is head and shoulders above the others. Then Portland after that.  Milwaekee/OKC/Boston could probably be argued in any order after that.

I know we all love Avery Bradley here, but Jeremy Lamb probably has more value across the league than Avery Bradley.  I don't think a lot of GM's are as hopeful about the development of a defensive minded, but very undersized 2 guard coming off double shoulder surgery as most of us are.

Why would NO do that? They have Davis, Anderson, and Lopez already.

My thoughts exactly. I actually had the exact opposite reaction and think the celts have the best offer out of any of those options.

Plus, NO isn't running after short-time success. Why give up on Aminu, an athletic freak who can turn into a multiple category stat producer in a couple of seasons, and a lottery pick in Rivers, a player people expect good things from?
Suns would definitely jump to that offer, though. Combining Dragic, the passer, with Rivers, (supposedly) volume scorer, would make sense.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: chambers on November 19, 2012, 06:28:12 PM
I'm laughing at those saying they wouldn't trade Avery Bradley for gortat. We can't do Bradley and Lee, we need one to guard elite SG's in the playoffs.... but they'd take Bradley, melon and a 2nd round pick I think.
Get gortat here now.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: fitzhickey on November 19, 2012, 06:30:15 PM
Don't want to get rid of Bradley, but Lee, Bass/Green, Melo and a pick for Gortat and some scrub, Hell yeah
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: snively on November 19, 2012, 06:58:25 PM
I think Bradley, Melo and an expiring contract would do it.  Too bad we don't have an expiring contract.

Though Bass could be moved for an expiring and a low-level asset easily enough.  To Cleveland for Walton and Casspi (we keep Casspi).  To Atlanta for Petro, Stevenson and a 2nd rounder (they get Petro, we keep Stevenson for wing depth).

Gortat would be a wonderful addition to this team - love his pick and roll game offensively (a very nice fit with Rondo on point and shooters like Pierce, Terry and KG), his offensive rebounding and his size, length and mobility defensively.   I think he'd function as a rich man's Chris Wilcox with our group.



Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Celtics18 on November 19, 2012, 07:32:03 PM
I'd trade any of the role players for Gortat. He's maybe the 10th best center in the NBA. A top 10 center doesn't become available all that often. He can also board and block shots.

I think you are under-rating him.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: wahz on November 19, 2012, 07:54:13 PM

I like the polish hammer, but I'm not trading our best defensive SG and another defensive backup for a rotation caliber big man.

Now, if it was Lee and someone....mabey

I hate to give up Bradley too, but Gortat is VERY good.  His scoring numbers are down a bit this year, but that is largely because he is a pick and roll big man, and his PG is gone.  Put him with Rondo, and he would be a monster in the East.

Are you comfortable with Jason Terry as your starting 2 defensivly, with Barbosa as his backup?

  If you got Gortat that pushes many of KG's minutes to pf, pushing most (if not all) of Green's minutes to sf, giving a fair amount of sg minutes to Pierce.

I'm not real comfrotabel at the moment with any of those three things happening.

1. I'm not convinced KG can cover/ exploit other PF's anymore. HE looked pretty cooked last year prior to going up against C's and defending them on the other end allowing him to play everyone in the paint, if this trade went through I'd rather Gortat play the 4 and P & R them to death with Rondo.

2. I'm very doubtful Pierce can play the 2 defensivly for long stretches.

3. Unless he shows marked improvement, I don't want JG playing alot more minutes, or becoming a starter to move Pierce to the 2.

If this trade did go down, I think I'd rather sign MP back and let him play the 2.

I don't know what works with cap and all but giving up Bradley seems very short sighted. Id throw Lee and Sullinger in and Id feel bad about about that too but I expect Avery to become great and Sullinger, not so much. Gortat will be very good with KG
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: hpantazo on November 19, 2012, 08:07:14 PM

I like the polish hammer, but I'm not trading our best defensive SG and another defensive backup for a rotation caliber big man.

Now, if it was Lee and someone....mabey

I hate to give up Bradley too, but Gortat is VERY good.  His scoring numbers are down a bit this year, but that is largely because he is a pick and roll big man, and his PG is gone.  Put him with Rondo, and he would be a monster in the East.

Are you comfortable with Jason Terry as your starting 2 defensivly, with Barbosa as his backup?

  If you got Gortat that pushes many of KG's minutes to pf, pushing most (if not all) of Green's minutes to sf, giving a fair amount of sg minutes to Pierce.

I'm not real comfrotabel at the moment with any of those three things happening.

1. I'm not convinced KG can cover/ exploit other PF's anymore. HE looked pretty cooked last year prior to going up against C's and defending them on the other end allowing him to play everyone in the paint, if this trade went through I'd rather Gortat play the 4 and P & R them to death with Rondo.

2. I'm very doubtful Pierce can play the 2 defensivly for long stretches.

3. Unless he shows marked improvement, I don't want JG playing alot more minutes, or becoming a starter to move Pierce to the 2.

If this trade did go down, I think I'd rather sign MP back and let him play the 2.

I don't know what works with cap and all but giving up Bradley seems very short sighted. Id throw Lee and Sullinger in and Id feel bad about about that too but I expect Avery to become great and Sullinger, not so much. Gortat will be very good with KG

I would trade Bradley but would not throw in Sullinger.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Fan from VT on November 19, 2012, 08:13:09 PM
I love Gortat, and really wanted the C's to get him when he was still Dwight's backup. A lot of Celticsblog posters laughted at that. Oh well, in retrospect would have been an absolute steal.

He would be perfect for this team. True size, thrives in pick and roll offense, great rebounder, good offensive touch and versatility. He would instantly improve our team tremendously.

A package of:
Bass+Sully
Bass+Avery
Green+Sully
Green+Avery (with the green deals bringing back extra filler like Telfair from PHO).

The C's would have to take such deal. They would probably have to add a pick in to any of the deals, especially the sully ones.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: bfrombleacher on November 19, 2012, 08:14:02 PM

I like the polish hammer, but I'm not trading our best defensive SG and another defensive backup for a rotation caliber big man.

Now, if it was Lee and someone....mabey

I hate to give up Bradley too, but Gortat is VERY good.  His scoring numbers are down a bit this year, but that is largely because he is a pick and roll big man, and his PG is gone.  Put him with Rondo, and he would be a monster in the East.

Are you comfortable with Jason Terry as your starting 2 defensivly, with Barbosa as his backup?

  If you got Gortat that pushes many of KG's minutes to pf, pushing most (if not all) of Green's minutes to sf, giving a fair amount of sg minutes to Pierce.

I'm not real comfrotabel at the moment with any of those three things happening.

1. I'm not convinced KG can cover/ exploit other PF's anymore. HE looked pretty cooked last year prior to going up against C's and defending them on the other end allowing him to play everyone in the paint, if this trade went through I'd rather Gortat play the 4 and P & R them to death with Rondo.

2. I'm very doubtful Pierce can play the 2 defensivly for long stretches.

3. Unless he shows marked improvement, I don't want JG playing alot more minutes, or becoming a starter to move Pierce to the 2.

If this trade did go down, I think I'd rather sign MP back and let him play the 2.

I don't know what works with cap and all but giving up Bradley seems very short sighted. Id throw Lee and Sullinger in and Id feel bad about about that too but I expect Avery to become great and Sullinger, not so much. Gortat will be very good with KG

I would trade Bradley but would not throw in Sullinger.

Same.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: hpantazo on November 19, 2012, 08:16:25 PM
I love Gortat, and really wanted the C's to get him when he was still Dwight's backup. A lot of Celticsblog posters laughted at that. Oh well, in retrospect would have been an absolute steal.

He would be perfect for this team. True size, thrives in pick and roll offense, great rebounder, good offensive touch and versatility. He would instantly improve our team tremendously.

A package of:
Bass+Sully
Bass+Avery
Green+Sully
Green+Avery (with the green deals bringing back extra filler like Telfair from PHO).

The C's would have to take such deal. They would probably have to add a pick in to any of the deals, especially the sully ones.

No sense in trading both Bass and Sully, we need a backup PF so we need to keep one of them. I wouldn't trade Sully anyway, he's a legit NBA starter with a very bright future. We also need to keep Green for a backup wing. I would go with:

Bradley, Bass, Melo and a second round pick
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: mattstermh on November 19, 2012, 08:39:48 PM
Bradley is untouchable IMO.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on November 19, 2012, 09:05:16 PM
Bradley is untouchable IMO.

You're a smart man and don't let anyone tell you differently sir.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: MJohnnyboy on November 19, 2012, 09:15:31 PM
Would love Gortat because he's a real rim defender and he can rebound, something this team needs. Unfortunately I just don't see how the C's get him without overpaying.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: RebusRankin on November 19, 2012, 09:30:29 PM
Yes, preferably for Lee/Sully or Lee/Bass.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: csfansince60s on November 19, 2012, 10:28:54 PM
In the recent thread: "Mid-Season Trade: Who Best Fits the Celtics? J.Smith, A.Jefferson, or A.Varejao?"

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=60614.0

I posted the following:

"I pick "none of the above."

What would it take to pry away Gortat from the Suns.

He's my 1st choice. What can we get the Suns to get him? What do they want? Do we need to get a 3rd team involved.

They are always looking to save $$$$. What about Sullinger/Melo/Bradley and whatever filler is needed (maybe an expiring from a 3rd team?)

I know we are trading our future, but Gortat and KG and Wilcox and Bass and Green sound like more than enough of a frontcourt. 18 and even 19 would be in play with that group. The future, not so much, but it seems like we are about the here and now.

I stand by those words.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: jdz101 on November 19, 2012, 10:59:34 PM
In the recent thread: "Mid-Season Trade: Who Best Fits the Celtics? J.Smith, A.Jefferson, or A.Varejao?"

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=60614.0

I posted the following:

"I pick "none of the above."

What would it take to pry away Gortat from the Suns.

He's my 1st choice. What can we get the Suns to get him? What do they want? Do we need to get a 3rd team involved.

They are always looking to save $$$$. What about Sullinger/Melo/Bradley and whatever filler is needed (maybe an expiring from a 3rd team?)

I know we are trading our future, but Gortat and KG and Wilcox and Bass and Green sound like more than enough of a frontcourt. 18 and even 19 would be in play with that group. The future, not so much, but it seems like we are about the here and now.

I stand by those words.

Giving away 3 young guys with tons of potential for a euro center that's not playoff proven just rings alarm bells for me.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on November 19, 2012, 11:00:24 PM
Newly signed free agents can't be traded until jan 15th i believe. Also, again, me no like trading our rising star avery bradley! No way no how.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on November 19, 2012, 11:01:11 PM
In the recent thread: "Mid-Season Trade: Who Best Fits the Celtics? J.Smith, A.Jefferson, or A.Varejao?"

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=60614.0

I posted the following:

"I pick "none of the above."

What would it take to pry away Gortat from the Suns.

He's my 1st choice. What can we get the Suns to get him? What do they want? Do we need to get a 3rd team involved.

They are always looking to save $$$$. What about Sullinger/Melo/Bradley and whatever filler is needed (maybe an expiring from a 3rd team?)

I know we are trading our future, but Gortat and KG and Wilcox and Bass and Green sound like more than enough of a frontcourt. 18 and even 19 would be in play with that group. The future, not so much, but it seems like we are about the here and now.

I stand by those words.

Giving away 3 young guys with tons of potential for a euro center that's not playoff proven just rings alarm bells for me.

Your mother loves you sir.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 19, 2012, 11:05:26 PM
In the recent thread: "Mid-Season Trade: Who Best Fits the Celtics? J.Smith, A.Jefferson, or A.Varejao?"

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=60614.0

I posted the following:

"I pick "none of the above."

What would it take to pry away Gortat from the Suns.

He's my 1st choice. What can we get the Suns to get him? What do they want? Do we need to get a 3rd team involved.

They are always looking to save $$$$. What about Sullinger/Melo/Bradley and whatever filler is needed (maybe an expiring from a 3rd team?)

I know we are trading our future, but Gortat and KG and Wilcox and Bass and Green sound like more than enough of a frontcourt. 18 and even 19 would be in play with that group. The future, not so much, but it seems like we are about the here and now.

I stand by those words.

Giving away 3 young guys with tons of potential for a euro center that's not playoff proven just rings alarm bells for me.

TP !!Totally agree .  They can have the old men ..NOT the kids
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: ianboyextreme on November 20, 2012, 12:14:10 AM
In the recent thread: "Mid-Season Trade: Who Best Fits the Celtics? J.Smith, A.Jefferson, or A.Varejao?"

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=60614.0

I posted the following:

"I pick "none of the above."

What would it take to pry away Gortat from the Suns.

He's my 1st choice. What can we get the Suns to get him? What do they want? Do we need to get a 3rd team involved.

They are always looking to save $$$$. What about Sullinger/Melo/Bradley and whatever filler is needed (maybe an expiring from a 3rd team?)

I know we are trading our future, but Gortat and KG and Wilcox and Bass and Green sound like more than enough of a frontcourt. 18 and even 19 would be in play with that group. The future, not so much, but it seems like we are about the here and now.

I stand by those words.

Giving away 3 young guys with tons of potential for a euro center that's not playoff proven just rings alarm bells for me.

TP !!Totally agree .  They can have the old men ..NOT the kids
As far as im concerned, Avery and Sully are off limits in most of these trade ideas.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: ianboyextreme on November 20, 2012, 12:16:24 AM
Bradley is untouchable IMO.

You're a smart man and don't let anyone tell you differently sir.
TP to the guy who said it and you for agreeing.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: blastoidesroidsnoids on November 20, 2012, 12:23:51 AM
the chances AB gets traded this year are next to none
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: indeedproceed on November 20, 2012, 12:25:43 AM
Bradley is untouchable IMO.

You're a smart man and don't let anyone tell you differently sir.
TP to the guy who said it and you for agreeing.

I also agree, but for different reasons. Aside from Pierce, Rondo, and KG, I'm not against trading anyone, but Bradley's stock is pretty low right now. I'd rather let him remind the league just how good he is before we entertain real offers for him.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: jdz101 on November 20, 2012, 01:16:33 AM
Give me Paul Millsap over this guy any day of the week, month, or year.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: chambers on November 20, 2012, 03:18:46 AM
the chances AB gets traded this year are next to none

That's very funny. In fact he's the most likely player traded on our roster this season because he is at 110% of his peak value.
Has a huge buzz about being a great player and top level defender, yet simply doesn't have the size to be an elite shooting guard in the NBA. Most likely a poor man's Monta Ellis that can defend, and we probably aren't going to win many championships with Rondo at the helm if we have him as our starting shooting guard.
Trade him while he's hot. Who even knows what his shoulder situation is going to be like. Remember what happened to Perkins after knee surgery?

Pretty much any big trade we make will involve Bradley and if you think that Doc and Danny won't move him in a deal that lands us Josh Smith, Verajao or Gasol you're kidding yourself.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: pearljammer10 on November 20, 2012, 06:10:59 AM
the chances AB gets traded this year are next to none

That's very funny. In fact he's the most likely player traded on our roster this season because he is at 110% of his peak value.
Has a huge buzz about being a great player and top level defender, yet simply doesn't have the size to be an elite shooting guard in the NBA. Most likely a poor man's Monta Ellis that can defend, and we probably aren't going to win many championships with Rondo at the helm if we have him as our starting shooting guard.
Trade him while he's hot. Who even knows what his shoulder situation is going to be like. Remember what happened to Perkins after knee surgery?

Pretty much any big trade we make will involve Bradley and if you think that Doc and Danny won't move him in a deal that lands us Josh Smith, Verajao or Gasol you're kidding yourself.

Gotta agree that Bradley is easily our most tradeable asset. There is no way we make a big trade to add a big fish without having Bradley in the deal.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: crimson_stallion on November 20, 2012, 06:34:25 AM
If I'm DA there is no way I'm trading Bradley for Gortat, Varejao or pretty much any other player that has any chance of being available to us.

Why?

1. Bradley is an elite (and game changing) player on defense.  He had the potential to becomes a Payton/Rodman type player in terms of the way he could one day impact the game defensively.  When you have a guy who can dominate a game without needing the ball in his hands (like Rondo) teams are typically very hessitant to give those guys up.


2. Rondo is the future of this team, and he LOVES playing with Bradley.  The two have exceptionally good chemistry together already - Rondo knows exactly where to Bradley's sweet spot is, and Avery's defensive ability covers nicely for Rondo's tendancy to cheat on defense.  With Boston already starting to transition into the new generation they will want guys who are young and who can play alongside Rondo once our 'big two' retire - Bradley is perfect.

3. We are currently somewhat inside a transition period.  Danny wants guys who are capable of helping this team compete for a title, but at the same time he doesn't really want to 'rent' old guys who may only stick around for a year.  This is made obvious by the number of long term contracts Ainge handed out this season (Terry, Lee, Green, etc).   Bradley is only 21 years old and has massive potential, but aside from that he has already proven his ability to be a major contributer on a chapionship contender.  Plus we all know Danny and Doc love guys who are warriors, who play with 110% effort every night, and who are willing to sacrifice their body for the greater good of the team.  Bradley is the purest example of the type of player Doc and DA want on this team right now.

4. Bradley is on a very small rookie contract.  On the one hand this means we have him on a major bargain, because his contribution to the team FAR outweighs what we are paying him.  On the other hand his contract is too small to match salaries with any other (useful) player in a trade, so any trade involving Bradley would also require us to give up other key players too.  Bradley on his own is such a valuable player to us, so giving him AND another key player up is giving up a lot...

5. He's coming off major surgery on both shoulders.  For us that is practically zero risk due to his small contract, but for any other team it's a major risk because they would need to give up a Josh Smith / Marcin Gortat calibre player in order to convince Doc to part with him. 

Also the claim about Bradley not having the size to play SG - absolutely false.  Does anyone remember the classic Detroit combination of Isiah Thomas and Joe Dumars?  Was probably one of the most dominant guard combo's of all time, and it reminds me a LOT of what we have in Rondo + Bradley. 

Look at Bradley's age along with his defensive ability and his already solid offensive game.  He'll never be a Michael Jordan, Tracy McGrady or even an Allen Iverson calibre player on offense, but he's very capable of becoming a Joe Dumars calibre player on both ends of the floor.

If Doc does do a trade, then (as I've been saying for a while now) our most redundant players are:

1. Lee
2. Bass / Sullinger (either one of the two)

Bradley will be back in our lineup well before the Jan 15 (that date at which we can trade our new guys) and once he is we have the following players / roles in our guard rotation:

1. Rondo - Pure playmaker and distributer
2. Terry - Perimeter shooter and clutch scorer
3. Bradley - Lock down defender
4. Barbosa - Slasher / volume scorer
5. Lee - jack of all trades guy

The only guys you could argue redundancy with are Lee and Barbosa, but so far Barbosa has done a pretty decent job as a backup PG (4 Assists/TO) and has kept us in a lot of games with his ability to put points on the board in a REAL hurry.  His min contact salary also makes him not very useful in any potential trade deals.

Lee on the other hand has quietly done a very small amount of everything, and a large amount of nothing.  His most valuable asset right now is his defense, but that becomes a moot point once Bradley returns.  His solid contract ($5M/year) will contribute well to any 'salary match', while he is relatively young and there are a lot of teams who would have interest in him.

Bass and Sully are both undersized PF's who can only play one position (both suck and C and are too slow for SF).  You could argue that Bass is of greater value due to his stronger mobility and defense, but you could also argue Sully is more valuable becuase he's very young (20), a very good rebounder, and a capable inside scorer.  Plus he's shown us over the last couple of games that he's very capable of hitting the midrange jumper...and like Barbosa/Bradley his small rookie contact wouldn't do much for salary matching.

Actually, in our current situation Lee + Sully probably works the best.  That adds up to right on about $7M which is pretty much a dead match for Gortat's contract.  Throw in a 1st round pick and Phoenix are getting a pretty good deal.  They get a fairly young and athletic starting calibre SG who can do a bit of everything.  They get a very young PF with great skills and solid upside.  They get a 1st round pick that they can use to draft more talent. 

For us, we get Gortat, a legitimate double-double on a nightly basis and a guy who's got the potential to be an All-Star if put in the right situation. 

Our lineup then looks like this:

PG: Rajon Rondo / Leandro Barbosa
SG: Avery Bradley / Jason Terry
SF: Paul Pierce / Jeff Green / Kris Joseph
PF: Kevin Garnett / Brandon Bass
C: Marcin Gortat / Chris Wilcox / Jason Collins   

Gortat is also young enough to be our center of the future, and our future lineup could look like this:

PG: Rajon Rondo
SG: Avery Bradley
SF: Jeff Green
PF: Brandon Bass
C: Marcin Gortat

Pretty nice ballance between scoring, defense and rebounding on that team there and it would also be a very athletic lineup.

I like the Gortat idea - he's a VERY good center who (due to his small contact) we could potentially give up relatively little to get. 

Phoenix may even take Darko as part of the deal - they may like the ability to buy him out for an extra Roster spot and a bit of extra cap space, and if he's not going to stick around ere it's a  benefit to us as well. 

I actually really think this deal benefits both teams.  Sullinger and Lee are both good enough to start for Phoenix (Sullinger ironically is probably better then Beasley already, and Lee could either start or play the sixth man behind Shannon Brown) while they could easilly play Scola at center. 

For us we'd get Gortat who - even in his limited offensive role - is still practically averaging a double double.  He's at 11 points, 9 rebounds and 3 blocks right now in 33 minutes, which is exactly what we need.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: nostar on November 20, 2012, 07:02:59 AM
If we can get Gortat for Lee+Sully and a 1st...let's have it done the second Lee is eligible in January. That would be an absolute dream. I'd trade to pick up Pietrus after the trade for a willing 3rd string guard/forward.

I highly doubt PHX would do that though. Gortat is worth more on the open market than a backup SG, a rookie PF with a medical red-flag and a late first round pick. Millsap is probably more attainable for that package.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Chris on November 20, 2012, 09:33:15 AM
the chances AB gets traded this year are next to none

I tend to agree with this.  Not because I think he is so good that he can't be traded, but because I can't see any GM valuing him nearly as much as the C's do at the moment, based on the very small sample size. 

As one of the few real growing assets Danny has, he needs to get tremendous value to trade Bradley...and I imagine it would be hard for most GMs to give up a premium player for a package built around an undersized SG who was horrible for 3/4 of his NBA career to date, and is coming off surgery on both shoulders.  GMs know, those are the type of trades that can either make or break their career, and not many would put their neck out for them at this point.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Vermont Green on November 20, 2012, 10:01:24 AM
Gortat would be a perfect guy to get but I don't think I would trade Bradley for him.  Right now, our worst first team to second team drop off is when Rondo sits and Barbosa is played at PG (see 82games.com).  I think when Bradley gets back, be becomes our primary back-up PG and will solve that problem nicely.

I could see us offering Lee+Sullinger or maybe Bass+Barbosa+Melo, neither of which are likely enough but maybe.

If we Trade Green in this, we create an even bigger hole (bigger than back-up PG) at back-up SF.  I am not convinced that Dudley or Tucker could be the answer so I don't see Green going out for Gortat unless the deal expands to other teams or lots of players.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: CelticG1 on November 20, 2012, 10:05:30 AM
Bradley is untouchable IMO.

You're a smart man and don't let anyone tell you differently sir.
TP to the guy who said it and you for agreeing.

I also agree, but for different reasons. Aside from Pierce, Rondo, and KG, I'm not against trading anyone, but Bradley's stock is pretty low right now. I'd rather let him remind the league just how good he is before we entertain real offers for him.

So are you suggesting that AB wouldn't be able to fetch Gortat now? Cause then id.agree with you.

When he comes back and reminds the league how good he is Gortat is probably is probably someone we would hope could be had for AB, if we ended up exploring trades.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: CelticG1 on November 20, 2012, 10:08:57 AM
It comes down to what do we need more and what is more valuable to this team.

AB- all defensive 2 guard

Gortat- rebounding 7 ft and one of the best rim protectors in the NBA.

Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: CapnDunks on November 20, 2012, 10:12:59 AM
Bradley is untouchable IMO.

You're a smart man and don't let anyone tell you differently sir.
TP to the guy who said it and you for agreeing.

I also agree, but for different reasons. Aside from Pierce, Rondo, and KG, I'm not against trading anyone, but Bradley's stock is pretty low right now. I'd rather let him remind the league just how good he is before we entertain real offers for him.

I was thinking exactly this. And the same thing applies somewhat to Lee. Granted he would have until January to Bump his stock back up, but he hasn't exactly been showcased so far.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: mkogav on November 20, 2012, 10:37:26 AM
If Gortat is truly available, I am sure Danny is doing his due diligence. Danny has never been afraid to make a controversial or unpopular trades. I believe if AB is the cost for Gortat and Danny believes Gortat make the team better, he will pay the price.

However, these are the Suns we are talking about. They are not about winning. They are about making $$$ or in this case "saving" money.

Gortat is signed through 2014 at $7.5 million. That's a super reasonable contract. Why would they trade him other than for $$$ savings?

The Cs could offer Lee, Darko, maybe a future pick, and $$$. This would save the Suns about a million (prorated) this season. Darko goes off the books next season, which save them about $2 million. Lee is signed on a reasonable dollars the following two seasons.

Plus if Boston tossed in the max cash allowed, ~$3 million, the Suns come out about +$5.5-6 million.

That's a lot of bottles for Cristal for Sarver.

Mk

(http://davidebersman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/cristal-poppin.jpg)

Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Chris on November 20, 2012, 10:41:53 AM
If Gortat is truly available, I am sure Danny is doing his due diligence. Danny has never been afraid to make a controversial or unpopular trades. I believe if AB is the cost for Gortat and Danny believes Gortat make the team better, he will pay the price.

However, these are the Suns we are talking about. They are not about winning. They are about making $$$ or in this case "saving" money.

Gortat is signed through 2014 at $7.5 million. That's a super reasonable contract. Why would they trade him other than for $$$ savings?

The Cs could offer Lee, Darko, maybe a future pick, and $$$. This would save the Suns about a million (prorated) this season. Darko goes off the books next season, which save them about $2 million. Lee is signed on a reasonable dollars the following two seasons.

Plus if Boston tossed in the max cash allowed, ~$3 million, the Suns come out about +$5.5-6 million.

That's a lot of bottles for Cristal for Sarver.

Mk

(http://davidebersman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/cristal-poppin.jpg)

Eh, lets not get it twisted.  Sarver is cheap, but he is very much like Jeremy Jacobs.  He will put in just enough money to sell tickets, and then cheap out when it comes to putting in the extra cash needed to get over the top. 

Trading a productive player on a bargain contract for cap savings is not his style. 
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on November 20, 2012, 10:47:41 AM
I agree with LEE and SULLY for gortat. Id be all for it then. Not for bradley tho. People will remember how good we are as a team once bradley comes back and plays along side rondo. Right now most of you just see a new toy that you want right now by any means necessary, stupid. Once AB comes back we won't need LEE and with gortat we don't need sully. I believe danny can get this done without dealing bradley. As alot of you have already stated....Other people around the league probably don't hold AB as high as we do. I doubt the suns GM says AB or no deal.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: mkogav on November 20, 2012, 11:04:52 AM
If Gortat is truly available, I am sure Danny is doing his due diligence. Danny has never been afraid to make a controversial or unpopular trades. I believe if AB is the cost for Gortat and Danny believes Gortat make the team better, he will pay the price.

However, these are the Suns we are talking about. They are not about winning. They are about making $$$ or in this case "saving" money.

Gortat is signed through 2014 at $7.5 million. That's a super reasonable contract. Why would they trade him other than for $$$ savings?

The Cs could offer Lee, Darko, maybe a future pick, and $$$. This would save the Suns about a million (prorated) this season. Darko goes off the books next season, which save them about $2 million. Lee is signed on a reasonable dollars the following two seasons.

Plus if Boston tossed in the max cash allowed, ~$3 million, the Suns come out about +$5.5-6 million.

That's a lot of bottles for Cristal for Sarver.

Mk

(http://davidebersman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/cristal-poppin.jpg)

Eh, lets not get it twisted.  Sarver is cheap, but he is very much like Jeremy Jacobs.  He will put in just enough money to sell tickets, and then cheap out when it comes to putting in the extra cash needed to get over the top. 

Trading a productive player on a bargain contract for cap savings is not his style.

Like I said before, why would the Suns entertain the idea of trading one of the best player/contracts in the NBA if not for $$$? The situation is much different than the past 8 Nash years when the Suns were truly contenders or in the case of the past few Nash years, pretenders.

Gortat does not provide "Gate", but his true value is being a top trade asset.

Perhaps you are correct, a Lee+$$$ may be too obviously a trade for $$$. Danny would have to get a third team to take Lee in exchange for a shorter term contract and lottery-ish draft pick.

In any event, the Suns have a long history of making deals for savings, selling draft picks (including Rondo's), JJ to the Hawks, Shaq to Cleveland, etc...

I would not expect the Suns to make a deal soon though. It's very early in the season and a lot can change. However, if January rolls around the Suns are basement dwellers then Sarver will have an 'argument' to make changes/rebuild/etc...

Mk
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on November 20, 2012, 11:05:10 AM
the chances AB gets traded this year are next to none

I tend to agree with this.  Not because I think he is so good that he can't be traded, but because I can't see any GM valuing him nearly as much as the C's do at the moment, based on the very small sample size. 

As one of the few real growing assets Danny has, he needs to get tremendous value to trade Bradley...and I imagine it would be hard for most GMs to give up a premium player for a package built around an undersized SG who was horrible for 3/4 of his NBA career to date, and is coming off surgery on both shoulders.  GMs know, those are the type of trades that can either make or break their career, and not many would put their neck out for them at this point.

Couldn't read another post after this b/c I had to say two words...

Jeremy Lin.


Okay, a few more words...

Lin is older than AB (24 to 21), had less of a great stretch than AB had, and he is also injury prone (like AB)! AB is an elite defender, he was one every step of the way (even when he sucked on offense), Lin isn't elite at anything. The only thing Lin brings to the table is Chinese fans, that doesn't help with wins or losses!

You saw what they paid Lin...
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: indeedproceed on November 20, 2012, 11:14:19 AM
the chances AB gets traded this year are next to none

I tend to agree with this.  Not because I think he is so good that he can't be traded, but because I can't see any GM valuing him nearly as much as the C's do at the moment, based on the very small sample size. 

As one of the few real growing assets Danny has, he needs to get tremendous value to trade Bradley...and I imagine it would be hard for most GMs to give up a premium player for a package built around an undersized SG who was horrible for 3/4 of his NBA career to date, and is coming off surgery on both shoulders.  GMs know, those are the type of trades that can either make or break their career, and not many would put their neck out for them at this point.

Couldn't read another post after this b/c I had to say two words...

Jeremy Lin.


Okay, a few more words...

Lin is older than AB (24 to 21), had less of a great stretch than AB had, and he is also injury prone (like AB)! AB is an elite defender, he was one every step of the way (even when he sucked on offense), Lin isn't elite at anything. The only thing Lin brings to the table is Chinese fans, that doesn't help with wins or losses!

You saw what they paid Lin...

Jeremy Lin is way better than you're giving him credit for.

EDIT: But I do think there are comparisons to be made between Lin and Bradley, although trade value and how much a team is willing to pay a guy are not necessarily the same thing.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: alajet on November 20, 2012, 11:17:48 AM
the chances AB gets traded this year are next to none

I tend to agree with this.  Not because I think he is so good that he can't be traded, but because I can't see any GM valuing him nearly as much as the C's do at the moment, based on the very small sample size. 

As one of the few real growing assets Danny has, he needs to get tremendous value to trade Bradley...and I imagine it would be hard for most GMs to give up a premium player for a package built around an undersized SG who was horrible for 3/4 of his NBA career to date, and is coming off surgery on both shoulders.  GMs know, those are the type of trades that can either make or break their career, and not many would put their neck out for them at this point.

Couldn't read another post after this b/c I had to say two words...

Jeremy Lin.


Okay, a few more words...

Lin is older than AB (24 to 21), had less of a great stretch than AB had, and he is also injury prone (like AB)! AB is an elite defender, he was one every step of the way (even when he sucked on offense), Lin isn't elite at anything. The only thing Lin brings to the table is Chinese fans, that doesn't help with wins or losses!

You saw what they paid Lin...

It helps with marketing that he's semi-Taiwanese. Also, he's a Harvard graduate, and it helps his image, too.
Also, there you go, he has a great success story. Gets cut by teams, plays in D-League, only plays for an injured starting point guard's place and explodes.
He's surrounded by a huge hype because of these reasons.

Avery Bradley, on the other hand, is just Avery Bradley. No Asian heritage. No Harvard history. No ups and downs in his career.
Not to mention Houston GM Morey is a bit of, well, crazy scientist!
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on November 20, 2012, 11:21:35 AM
the chances AB gets traded this year are next to none

I tend to agree with this.  Not because I think he is so good that he can't be traded, but because I can't see any GM valuing him nearly as much as the C's do at the moment, based on the very small sample size. 

As one of the few real growing assets Danny has, he needs to get tremendous value to trade Bradley...and I imagine it would be hard for most GMs to give up a premium player for a package built around an undersized SG who was horrible for 3/4 of his NBA career to date, and is coming off surgery on both shoulders.  GMs know, those are the type of trades that can either make or break their career, and not many would put their neck out for them at this point.

Couldn't read another post after this b/c I had to say two words...

Jeremy Lin.


Okay, a few more words...

Lin is older than AB (24 to 21), had less of a great stretch than AB had, and he is also injury prone (like AB)! AB is an elite defender, he was one every step of the way (even when he sucked on offense), Lin isn't elite at anything. The only thing Lin brings to the table is Chinese fans, that doesn't help with wins or losses!

You saw what they paid Lin...

It helps with marketing that he's semi-Taiwanese. Also, he's a Harvard graduate, and it helps his image, too.
Also, there you go, he has a great success story. Gets cut by teams, plays in D-League, only plays for an injured starting point guard's place and explodes.
He's surrounded by a huge hype because of these reasons.

Avery Bradley, on the other hand, is just Avery Bradley. No Asian heritage. No Harvard history. No ups and downs in his career.
Not to mention Houston GM Morey is a bit of, well, crazy scientist!

I'll give you being Asian but the rest... LOL.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: LooseCannon on November 20, 2012, 11:26:44 AM
Danny has never been afraid to make a controversial or unpopular trades. I believe if AB is the cost for Gortat and Danny believes Gortat make the team better, he will pay the price.

I think he will consider the long-term and not just the short-term, but if he feels this team has as reasonable a shot as any non-Miami team to make the Finals out of the East, he may consider the effect the Perk trade had on team chemistry in evaluating whether or not a mid-season deal is worth consummating.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on November 20, 2012, 11:28:55 AM
the chances AB gets traded this year are next to none

I tend to agree with this.  Not because I think he is so good that he can't be traded, but because I can't see any GM valuing him nearly as much as the C's do at the moment, based on the very small sample size. 

As one of the few real growing assets Danny has, he needs to get tremendous value to trade Bradley...and I imagine it would be hard for most GMs to give up a premium player for a package built around an undersized SG who was horrible for 3/4 of his NBA career to date, and is coming off surgery on both shoulders.  GMs know, those are the type of trades that can either make or break their career, and not many would put their neck out for them at this point.

Couldn't read another post after this b/c I had to say two words...

Jeremy Lin.


Okay, a few more words...

Lin is older than AB (24 to 21), had less of a great stretch than AB had, and he is also injury prone (like AB)! AB is an elite defender, he was one every step of the way (even when he sucked on offense), Lin isn't elite at anything. The only thing Lin brings to the table is Chinese fans, that doesn't help with wins or losses!

You saw what they paid Lin...

Jeremy Lin is way better than you're giving him credit for.

EDIT: But I do think there are comparisons to be made between Lin and Bradley, although trade value and how much a team is willing to pay a guy are not necessarily the same thing.

So he is elite? Oh, I didn't know. I never said he wasn't a good player but he hasn't shown more than AB has. How much more credit do I need to give him? Should I say he is above average? I need more proof, other than the one small sample size (everyone asks that of AB). He is a good player, nothing more as of yet... a dime a dozen.

Also, more of a point... AB is on a rookie contract for about 2 more seasons (I think)... that's great for what AB brings (he doesn't need shoulders to play elite defense as you witnessed last season).
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: indeedproceed on November 20, 2012, 11:40:46 AM
So he (Jeremy Lin) is elite?

In what context? He's better than any backup PG I can think of. He's likely in that mix with like Goran Dragic, Mike Conley Jr, guys like that.

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I never said he wasn't a good player but he hasn't shown more than AB has. How much more credit do I need to give him? Should I say he is above average? I need more proof, other than the one small sample size (everyone asks that of AB). He is a good player, nothing more as of yet... a dime a dozen.

I'm confused..are you comparing Lin to Bradley, or arguing Bradley is better..or what?

In any case, my 'you need to give him more credit' thing was because you said he wasn't Elite, then you said:

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The only thing Lin brings to the table is Chinese fans, that doesn't help with wins or losses!

Which is just plain bogus. He does bring asian fans, but he brings way more to the table than that, both in terms of an established fan demographic and in terms of skill sets.

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Also, more of a point... AB is on a rookie contract for about 2 more seasons (I think)... that's great for what AB brings (he doesn't need shoulders to play elite defense as you witnessed last season).

Well..he does need shoulders to be a starting caliber player. But Avery Bradley is on a good rookie contract, but Lin is only going to hit the Rockets for 7 million per season or something in terms of cap repercussions. He's a better contract than Jeff Green looks like right now.

Ultimately the point I'm making was more that the opinion:

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The only thing Lin brings to the table is Chinese fans, that doesn't help with wins or losses!

Doesn't seem to hold much water if you're looking at the actual numbers.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Chris on November 20, 2012, 12:08:42 PM
the chances AB gets traded this year are next to none

I tend to agree with this.  Not because I think he is so good that he can't be traded, but because I can't see any GM valuing him nearly as much as the C's do at the moment, based on the very small sample size. 

As one of the few real growing assets Danny has, he needs to get tremendous value to trade Bradley...and I imagine it would be hard for most GMs to give up a premium player for a package built around an undersized SG who was horrible for 3/4 of his NBA career to date, and is coming off surgery on both shoulders.  GMs know, those are the type of trades that can either make or break their career, and not many would put their neck out for them at this point.

Couldn't read another post after this b/c I had to say two words...

Jeremy Lin.


Okay, a few more words...

Lin is older than AB (24 to 21), had less of a great stretch than AB had, and he is also injury prone (like AB)! AB is an elite defender, he was one every step of the way (even when he sucked on offense), Lin isn't elite at anything. The only thing Lin brings to the table is Chinese fans, that doesn't help with wins or losses!

You saw what they paid Lin...

Lin is a very special case.  He wasn't signed to that contract because of his basketball abilities, it was because he is such a marketing draw.  Houston needed to bring back the Asian-American market that had done so well for them with Yao, so they vastly overpaid for Lin. 

Not to mention, Lin's "flash" last year, was much brighter than Bradley's. 
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Q_FBE on November 20, 2012, 12:22:49 PM
So we are considering trading our future Dennis Johnson (Avery Bradley) for Rick Robey er the Euro-Silas (Marcin Gortat). Throw in Darko Milicic, Courtney Lee, Sullenger and get back Jared Dudley???

HMMMMMM let me give it further thought and I will get back to you on that one.

I wonder what Kevin Martin is doing these days.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on November 20, 2012, 12:27:04 PM
So he (Jeremy Lin) is elite?

In what context? He's better than any backup PG I can think of. He's likely in that mix with like Goran Dragic, Mike Conley Jr, guys like that.

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I never said he wasn't a good player but he hasn't shown more than AB has. How much more credit do I need to give him? Should I say he is above average? I need more proof, other than the one small sample size (everyone asks that of AB). He is a good player, nothing more as of yet... a dime a dozen.

I'm confused..are you comparing Lin to Bradley, or arguing Bradley is better..or what?

In any case, my 'you need to give him more credit' thing was because you said he wasn't Elite, then you said:

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The only thing Lin brings to the table is Chinese fans, that doesn't help with wins or losses!

Which is just plain bogus. He does bring asian fans, but he brings way more to the table than that, both in terms of an established fan demographic and in terms of skill sets.

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Also, more of a point... AB is on a rookie contract for about 2 more seasons (I think)... that's great for what AB brings (he doesn't need shoulders to play elite defense as you witnessed last season).

Well..he does need shoulders to be a starting caliber player. But Avery Bradley is on a good rookie contract, but Lin is only going to hit the Rockets for 7 million per season or something in terms of cap repercussions. He's a better contract than Jeff Green looks like right now.

Ultimately the point I'm making was more that the opinion:

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The only thing Lin brings to the table is Chinese fans, that doesn't help with wins or losses!

Doesn't seem to hold much water if you're looking at the actual numbers.


Context matters. I was talking about other than what AB brings. I already said he was good but he isn't elite at anything no matter how you spin it.

AB started last season with two messed up shoulders so...

I'm not arguing that AB is better but that Hous took a chance on Lin who is older, as injury prone, and who had less of a great stretch than AB (AB was always great on defense)... but I am to believe that GMs would be scared off from acquiring AB? There are many other guys I could use in place of Lin.


I'll say it again, what more credit should I give him? Lin isn't being paid backup PG money! He is a good player but hasn't shown anything I would want to pay attention to (I watch Rockets games to see Harden so I do see Lin). Lin is a dime a dozen right now. If Lin was black (or white for that matter), other than that little stretch of games, no one would be paying much attention to him... now why is that? Because, he is a good player but there are plenty others just as good.

Oh and I am not going to argue JG's contract b/c I don't even want to discuss how JG is hurting my feelings right now... hopes are almost completely dashed.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on November 20, 2012, 12:33:53 PM
the chances AB gets traded this year are next to none

I tend to agree with this.  Not because I think he is so good that he can't be traded, but because I can't see any GM valuing him nearly as much as the C's do at the moment, based on the very small sample size. 

As one of the few real growing assets Danny has, he needs to get tremendous value to trade Bradley...and I imagine it would be hard for most GMs to give up a premium player for a package built around an undersized SG who was horrible for 3/4 of his NBA career to date, and is coming off surgery on both shoulders.  GMs know, those are the type of trades that can either make or break their career, and not many would put their neck out for them at this point.

Couldn't read another post after this b/c I had to say two words...

Jeremy Lin.


Okay, a few more words...

Lin is older than AB (24 to 21), had less of a great stretch than AB had, and he is also injury prone (like AB)! AB is an elite defender, he was one every step of the way (even when he sucked on offense), Lin isn't elite at anything. The only thing Lin brings to the table is Chinese fans, that doesn't help with wins or losses!

You saw what they paid Lin...

Lin is a very special case.  He wasn't signed to that contract because of his basketball abilities, it was because he is such a marketing draw.  Houston needed to bring back the Asian-American market that had done so well for them with Yao, so they vastly overpaid for Lin. 

Not to mention, Lin's "flash" last year, was much brighter than Bradley's.

You can use a lot of guys in place of Lin that GMs took a chance on who are getting paid a lot of money. Lin just fits well with the point I was making.

So you agree that Lin was paid that money mainly b/c of the one thing AB can't bring, Asian fans?

My original point that I am not backing away from, GMs aren't going to be scared off of AB because of injuries and because he had one good stretch (although he was always great on defense).


Edit: I never said who had the brighter stretch but that AB's was longer but I am saying now that AB's had more of an impact as far as playing basketball goes. Lin had one of the best stretches ever for a player, AB helped turn a team from bottom feeders to elite and one of the best teams ever on defense (also on offense I think). So, sure technically Lin had the brighter "flash" but not solely b/c of his play.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: indeedproceed on November 20, 2012, 12:38:46 PM
Context matters. I was talking about other than what AB brings. I already said he was good but he isn't elite at anything no matter how you spin it.

AB started last season with two messed up shoulders so...

I'm not arguing that AB is better but that Hous took a chance on Lin who is older, as injury prone, and who had less of a great stretch than AB (AB was always great on defense)... but I am to believe that GMs would be scared off from acquiring AB? There are many other guys I could use in place of Lin.


I'll say it again, what more credit should I give him? Lin isn't being paid backup PG money! He is a good player but hasn't shown anything I would want to pay attention to (I watch Rockets games to see Harden so I do see Lin). Lin is a dime a dozen right now. If Lin was black (or white for that matter), other than that little stretch of games, no one would be paying much attention to him... now why is that? Because, he is a good player but there are plenty others just as good.

Oh and I am not going to argue JG's contract b/c I don't even want to discuss how JG is hurting my feelings right now... hopes are almost completely dashed.

I feel like you think I'm disagreeing with you, but I'm not. I disagreed with "The only thing Lin brings to the table is Chinese fans, that doesn't help with wins or losses!"

Jeremy Lin is (was? I don't know what to make of him right now) a young point guard who showed flashes of being an elite scorer and adequate floor general. He doesn't look especially like either of those things right now, but he's only 24, on a new team, and a team that replaced 4 of 5 starters in the past year.

So, I dunno what to make of Lin right now. I think he's a starting caliber player with low-end all-star potential.

Avery Bradley I see a very similar projection, with a higher possible (but not necessarily probable) ceiling.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on November 20, 2012, 12:45:50 PM
Context matters. I was talking about other than what AB brings. I already said he was good but he isn't elite at anything no matter how you spin it.

AB started last season with two messed up shoulders so...

I'm not arguing that AB is better but that Hous took a chance on Lin who is older, as injury prone, and who had less of a great stretch than AB (AB was always great on defense)... but I am to believe that GMs would be scared off from acquiring AB? There are many other guys I could use in place of Lin.


I'll say it again, what more credit should I give him? Lin isn't being paid backup PG money! He is a good player but hasn't shown anything I would want to pay attention to (I watch Rockets games to see Harden so I do see Lin). Lin is a dime a dozen right now. If Lin was black (or white for that matter), other than that little stretch of games, no one would be paying much attention to him... now why is that? Because, he is a good player but there are plenty others just as good.

Oh and I am not going to argue JG's contract b/c I don't even want to discuss how JG is hurting my feelings right now... hopes are almost completely dashed.

I feel like you think I'm disagreeing with you, but I'm not. I disagreed with "The only thing Lin brings to the table is Chinese fans, that doesn't help with wins or losses!"

Jeremy Lin is (was? I don't know what to make of him right now) a young point guard who showed flashes of being an elite scorer and adequate floor general. He doesn't look especially like either of those things right now, but he's only 24, on a new team, and a team that replaced 4 of 5 starters in the past year.

So, I dunno what to make of Lin right now. I think he's a starting caliber player with low-end all-star potential.

Avery Bradley I see a very similar projection, with a higher possible (but not necessarily probable) ceiling.


As I said before, I don't mean that he brings only that but as to comparing him to AB, he doesn't bring anything "different"/more except for those fans.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: syfy9 on November 20, 2012, 12:53:57 PM
I would want Gortat for the sake that he's a big body and can play defense.

KG - Perk
KG - Gortat

With Gortat, you don't have an offensively liability, but a threat. So bonus.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Rondo2287 on November 20, 2012, 12:54:08 PM
Context matters. I was talking about other than what AB brings. I already said he was good but he isn't elite at anything no matter how you spin it.

AB started last season with two messed up shoulders so...

I'm not arguing that AB is better but that Hous took a chance on Lin who is older, as injury prone, and who had less of a great stretch than AB (AB was always great on defense)... but I am to believe that GMs would be scared off from acquiring AB? There are many other guys I could use in place of Lin.


I'll say it again, what more credit should I give him? Lin isn't being paid backup PG money! He is a good player but hasn't shown anything I would want to pay attention to (I watch Rockets games to see Harden so I do see Lin). Lin is a dime a dozen right now. If Lin was black (or white for that matter), other than that little stretch of games, no one would be paying much attention to him... now why is that? Because, he is a good player but there are plenty others just as good.

Oh and I am not going to argue JG's contract b/c I don't even want to discuss how JG is hurting my feelings right now... hopes are almost completely dashed.

I feel like you think I'm disagreeing with you, but I'm not. I disagreed with "The only thing Lin brings to the table is Chinese fans, that doesn't help with wins or losses!"

Jeremy Lin is (was? I don't know what to make of him right now) a young point guard who showed flashes of being an elite scorer and adequate floor general. He doesn't look especially like either of those things right now, but he's only 24, on a new team, and a team that replaced 4 of 5 starters in the past year.

So, I dunno what to make of Lin right now. I think he's a starting caliber player with low-end all-star potential.

Avery Bradley I see a very similar projection, with a higher possible (but not necessarily probable) ceiling.


As I said before, I don't mean that he brings only that but as to comparing him to AB, he doesn't bring anything "different"/more except for those fans.

Lin is  a much better scorer, pick and roll player and decision maker.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Chris on November 20, 2012, 12:55:23 PM
Context matters. I was talking about other than what AB brings. I already said he was good but he isn't elite at anything no matter how you spin it.

AB started last season with two messed up shoulders so...

I'm not arguing that AB is better but that Hous took a chance on Lin who is older, as injury prone, and who had less of a great stretch than AB (AB was always great on defense)... but I am to believe that GMs would be scared off from acquiring AB? There are many other guys I could use in place of Lin.


I'll say it again, what more credit should I give him? Lin isn't being paid backup PG money! He is a good player but hasn't shown anything I would want to pay attention to (I watch Rockets games to see Harden so I do see Lin). Lin is a dime a dozen right now. If Lin was black (or white for that matter), other than that little stretch of games, no one would be paying much attention to him... now why is that? Because, he is a good player but there are plenty others just as good.

Oh and I am not going to argue JG's contract b/c I don't even want to discuss how JG is hurting my feelings right now... hopes are almost completely dashed.

I feel like you think I'm disagreeing with you, but I'm not. I disagreed with "The only thing Lin brings to the table is Chinese fans, that doesn't help with wins or losses!"

Jeremy Lin is (was? I don't know what to make of him right now) a young point guard who showed flashes of being an elite scorer and adequate floor general. He doesn't look especially like either of those things right now, but he's only 24, on a new team, and a team that replaced 4 of 5 starters in the past year.

So, I dunno what to make of Lin right now. I think he's a starting caliber player with low-end all-star potential.

Avery Bradley I see a very similar projection, with a higher possible (but not necessarily probable) ceiling.


As I said before, I don't mean that he brings only that but as to comparing him to AB, he doesn't bring anything "different"/more except for those fans.

But lets get back to the original point, and that is what kind of value the C's could get for Bradley.  Whether Bradley is a better player than Lin isn't necessarily relevant.  Do you think teams would have been clambering to sign Lin if he wasn't such a draw?  I don't think they would.

GMs are not likely to risk their jobs by trading star level players (which is what it would take to pry Bradley free IMO), for guys who have a very short resume...especially when that resume still shows large holes in their game, that they would have to project whether they will be filled.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: CapnDunks on November 20, 2012, 01:00:01 PM
Asian or no, when was the last time an athlete who wasn't the best at what he did got that type of hype??

Lin was on the cover of Time. When Avery was shining he was playing elite D and getting that block on Wade, hitting 3's.

Lin embarrassed Kobe and Dwill. He dropped 38 on Kobe. Even if he weren't Asian, his story would prompt someone to overpay.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Chris on November 20, 2012, 01:03:55 PM
Asian or no, when was the last time an athlete who wasn't the best at what he did got that type of hype??

Lin was on the cover of Time. When Avery was shining he was playing elite D and getting that block on Wade, hitting 3's.

Lin embarrassed Kobe and Dwill. He dropped 38 on Kobe. Even if he weren't Asian, his story would prompt someone to overpay.

He also did it on the Knicks, which is the biggest stage in basketball.  It was a perfect hype storm.

But I just am not sure how this is any way relevant to Avery Bradley's trade value.  In addition to the marketing angle, Lin also was not traded, he was signed as a free agent, and his massive contract had as much to do with his restricted status, than his actual value...oh yeah, and he didn't just have surgery on both shoulders.

They just are not comparable situations.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: indeedproceed on November 20, 2012, 01:04:22 PM
Context matters. I was talking about other than what AB brings. I already said he was good but he isn't elite at anything no matter how you spin it.

AB started last season with two messed up shoulders so...

I'm not arguing that AB is better but that Hous took a chance on Lin who is older, as injury prone, and who had less of a great stretch than AB (AB was always great on defense)... but I am to believe that GMs would be scared off from acquiring AB? There are many other guys I could use in place of Lin.


I'll say it again, what more credit should I give him? Lin isn't being paid backup PG money! He is a good player but hasn't shown anything I would want to pay attention to (I watch Rockets games to see Harden so I do see Lin). Lin is a dime a dozen right now. If Lin was black (or white for that matter), other than that little stretch of games, no one would be paying much attention to him... now why is that? Because, he is a good player but there are plenty others just as good.

Oh and I am not going to argue JG's contract b/c I don't even want to discuss how JG is hurting my feelings right now... hopes are almost completely dashed.

I feel like you think I'm disagreeing with you, but I'm not. I disagreed with "The only thing Lin brings to the table is Chinese fans, that doesn't help with wins or losses!"

Jeremy Lin is (was? I don't know what to make of him right now) a young point guard who showed flashes of being an elite scorer and adequate floor general. He doesn't look especially like either of those things right now, but he's only 24, on a new team, and a team that replaced 4 of 5 starters in the past year.

So, I dunno what to make of Lin right now. I think he's a starting caliber player with low-end all-star potential.

Avery Bradley I see a very similar projection, with a higher possible (but not necessarily probable) ceiling.

As I said before, I don't mean that he brings only that but as to comparing him to AB, he doesn't bring anything "different"/more except for those fans.

Meh, if I had to choose between the two prospects, I'd choose Bradley, but that's because frankly..we gots the Rondo. If you were choosing a guy to be a future cornerstone of your team, I could see why you'd choose Lin. I can see why you'd choose Bradley too. I'd probably choose Lin because he can lead the offense, Bradley needs a lot of help. But there are lots of guys out there who can lead an offense adequately.

I really don't know who I'd choose if I had to pick one to start from scratch with. Either way it would likely be a terrible team. Lin is the safer choice, Bradley is the bolder.

But when you're talking about value, also recognize that Lin's 'value' was monetary, not one of assets. The Rockets didn't trade picks or pieces for him. They traded 7 million a year in cap space.

If you're talking about another team sidling up and giving AB a deal, well maybe they would. Maybe someone would be willing to offer him a max deal. Who knows.

But that's in 2 years. I'm talking today. And today, Bradley is a huge injury risk with a small sample size of success.

That's why I'm saying he won't be traded. Aside from wanting to see what he can bring to the Celtics with more time, I'd want to pump up his value a bit if I were Ainge.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Brendan on November 20, 2012, 01:09:32 PM
I feel like AB is over rated simply because the chances that:
1. Last year wasn't a fluke
2. The injuries don't create a major (or permanent) setback
3. He actually capitalizes on what we saw

That being said - you never want to trade a guy who could be a star (which I think is ABs upside.)

But a big man like Gortat is hard to find. And I think a big rotation with KG / Gortat / Wilcox / Sully or Bass - is very very good. Our drop off with KG out is a big pain point.

I also think Gortat has better trade value than AB moving forward.

Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: StartOrien on November 20, 2012, 01:17:11 PM
Not sure if I buy the rumor, but I do wonder how a combo of KG and Gortat would work. Or how KG would play offensively against another big who works best in pick and roll situations.

My guess is that since both players have decent to great range, and the fact that Garnett is such a brilliant interior passer that itd end up working quite well.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Fafnir on November 20, 2012, 01:30:56 PM
Not sure if I buy the rumor, but I do wonder how a combo of KG and Gortat would work. Or how KG would play offensively against another big who works best in pick and roll situations.

My guess is that since both players have decent to great range, and the fact that Garnett is such a brilliant interior passer that itd end up working quite well.
Offensively it would work great, as KG is very comfortable playing on the perimeter.

Defensively is my worry about the hypothetical combo.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on November 20, 2012, 02:42:35 PM
Asian or no, when was the last time an athlete who wasn't the best at what he did got that type of hype??

Lin was on the cover of Time. When Avery was shining he was playing elite D and getting that block on Wade, hitting 3's.

Lin embarrassed Kobe and Dwill. He dropped 38 on Kobe. Even if he weren't Asian, his story would prompt someone to overpay.

He also did it on the Knicks, which is the biggest stage in basketball.  It was a perfect hype storm.

But I just am not sure how this is any way relevant to Avery Bradley's trade value.  In addition to the marketing angle, Lin also was not traded, he was signed as a free agent, and his massive contract had as much to do with his restricted status, than his actual value...oh yeah, and he didn't just have surgery on both shoulders.

They just are not comparable situations.

Because I wasn't talking about trade value. I was only talking about whether some gm was willing to take a chance on him, arguing that there are other guys (I just chose Lin as one of many) that gms have taken chances on that are equally as unknown and equally as risky (or injury prone). I don't think Lin is at all far off from a good comparison in those regards. Thank you.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on November 20, 2012, 02:48:54 PM
Not sure if I buy the rumor, but I do wonder how a combo of KG and Gortat would work. Or how KG would play offensively against another big who works best in pick and roll situations.

My guess is that since both players have decent to great range, and the fact that Garnett is such a brilliant interior passer that itd end up working quite well.
Offensively it would work great, as KG is very comfortable playing on the perimeter.

Defensively is my worry about the hypothetical combo.

I think Gortat is just what we need defensively. He is a shot blocker, very mobile, and tough... that's all you need to be next to KG!
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Big Rondo on November 20, 2012, 02:55:15 PM
Any signing that shifts KG back to his natural position is a good signing. Was hoping that was what we were going to get out of Darko/Wilcox/Collins but Doc can't be trusted with rotations so this is the point where Danny needs step up and force his hand.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Chris on November 20, 2012, 02:58:34 PM
Asian or no, when was the last time an athlete who wasn't the best at what he did got that type of hype??

Lin was on the cover of Time. When Avery was shining he was playing elite D and getting that block on Wade, hitting 3's.

Lin embarrassed Kobe and Dwill. He dropped 38 on Kobe. Even if he weren't Asian, his story would prompt someone to overpay.

He also did it on the Knicks, which is the biggest stage in basketball.  It was a perfect hype storm.

But I just am not sure how this is any way relevant to Avery Bradley's trade value.  In addition to the marketing angle, Lin also was not traded, he was signed as a free agent, and his massive contract had as much to do with his restricted status, than his actual value...oh yeah, and he didn't just have surgery on both shoulders.

They just are not comparable situations.

Because I wasn't talking about trade value. I was only talking about whether some gm was willing to take a chance on him, arguing that there are other guys (I just chose Lin as one of many) that gms have taken chances on that are equally as unknown and equally as risky (or injury prone). I don't think Lin is at all far off from a good comparison in those regards. Thank you.

I am missing the point then.  Did anyone suggest that no GM would take a chance on Bradley?  This thread is about trading Bradley for a valuable player, not taking a chance on a guy.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: lightspeed5 on November 20, 2012, 03:25:18 PM
gortat is a joke and is not the answer for a championship. gortat will not win you a championship, or even help you.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Chris on November 20, 2012, 03:26:48 PM
gortat is a joke and is not the answer for a championship. gortat will not win you a championship, or even help you.

Why do you say this?  What is wrong with him?
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Eddie20 on November 20, 2012, 03:31:16 PM
gortat is a joke and is not the answer for a championship. gortat will not win you a championship, or even help you.

Why do you say this?  What is wrong with him?

Well, if that's the case then I would love to have this "joke" and his career numbers as a starting center of 14.5 PPG, 10.2 RPG, 55% FG, 1.7 BPG, on 32.1 MPG.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: crownsy on November 20, 2012, 03:33:59 PM
gortat is a joke and is not the answer for a championship. gortat will not win you a championship, or even help you.

Care to explain? guys a walking Double double and blocks shots.

I'm not in love with him enough to give up AB, but if it was like Sully and pieces?

in a heart beat.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: rondohondo on November 20, 2012, 03:45:43 PM
gortat is a joke and is not the answer for a championship. gortat will not win you a championship, or even help you.

Care to explain? guys a walking Double double and blocks shots.

I'm not in love with him enough to give up AB, but if it was like Sully and pieces?

in a heart beat.

I don't see why Pheonix would take anyone but Bradley in a deal. They could have just drafted Sullinger if they wanted him. Now they are going to trade a top 10 center for him ? Bradley has to be involved for it to make any sense for Pheonix. They aren't taking Jeff Green's contracts so it's most likely Bass,Bradley ,Melo and maybe a 1st

Leaves us with

PG: Rondo   / Terry
SG: Lee     / Barbosa
SF: PP      / Green
PF: KG      / Sully
 C: Gortat  / Wilcox

* Sign Birdman or Kenyon Martin for insurance

It's a hard call, but I think I would do it , makes the c's a lot more balanced a refines roles while adding a huge post presence we have been missing for the last few years. You saw what Rondo was doing with a crippled Shaq a few years ago, just imagine what he can do with a super mobile big man who thrives in the pick and roll. 
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: 2short on November 20, 2012, 03:48:19 PM
gortat is a joke and is not the answer for a championship. gortat will not win you a championship, or even help you.
uh we won a championship with perk (not to pick on him)
gortant>perk
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: j804 on November 20, 2012, 04:00:22 PM
gortat is a joke and is not the answer for a championship. gortat will not win you a championship, or even help you.

Care to explain? guys a walking Double double and blocks shots.

I'm not in love with him enough to give up AB, but if it was like Sully and pieces?

in a heart beat.

I don't see why Pheonix would take anyone but Bradley in a deal. They could have just drafted Sullinger if they wanted him. Now they are going to trade a top 10 center for him ? Bradley has to be involved for it to make any sense for Pheonix. They aren't taking Jeff Green's contracts so it's most likely Bass,Bradley ,Melo and maybe a 1st

Leaves us with

PG: Rondo   / Terry
SG: Lee     / Barbosa
SF: PP      / Green
PF: KG      / Sully
 C: Gortat  / Wilcox

* Sign Birdman or Kenyon Martin for insurance

It's a hard call, but I think I would do it , makes the c's a lot more balanced a refines roles while adding a huge post presence we have been missing for the last few years. You saw what Rondo was doing with a crippled Shaq a few years ago, just imagine what he can do with a super mobile big man who thrives in the pick and roll.
I don't really like it thinking about it now, but if we continue to struggle I'll probably warm up to it
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: crownsy on November 20, 2012, 04:19:41 PM
gortat is a joke and is not the answer for a championship. gortat will not win you a championship, or even help you.

Care to explain? guys a walking Double double and blocks shots.

I'm not in love with him enough to give up AB, but if it was like Sully and pieces?

in a heart beat.

I don't see why Pheonix would take anyone but Bradley in a deal. They could have just drafted Sullinger if they wanted him. Now they are going to trade a top 10 center for him ? Bradley has to be involved for it to make any sense for Pheonix. They aren't taking Jeff Green's contracts so it's most likely Bass,Bradley ,Melo and maybe a 1st

Leaves us with

PG: Rondo   / Terry
SG: Lee     / Barbosa
SF: PP      / Green
PF: KG      / Sully
 C: Gortat  / Wilcox

* Sign Birdman or Kenyon Martin for insurance

It's a hard call, but I think I would do it , makes the c's a lot more balanced a refines roles while adding a huge post presence we have been missing for the last few years. You saw what Rondo was doing with a crippled Shaq a few years ago, just imagine what he can do with a super mobile big man who thrives in the pick and roll.

Well, Gortat has come out and said he hates it there recently. Not sure he had come that close to flay out demanding a trade pre-draft.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on November 20, 2012, 04:21:35 PM
Asian or no, when was the last time an athlete who wasn't the best at what he did got that type of hype??

Lin was on the cover of Time. When Avery was shining he was playing elite D and getting that block on Wade, hitting 3's.

Lin embarrassed Kobe and Dwill. He dropped 38 on Kobe. Even if he weren't Asian, his story would prompt someone to overpay.

He also did it on the Knicks, which is the biggest stage in basketball.  It was a perfect hype storm.

But I just am not sure how this is any way relevant to Avery Bradley's trade value.  In addition to the marketing angle, Lin also was not traded, he was signed as a free agent, and his massive contract had as much to do with his restricted status, than his actual value...oh yeah, and he didn't just have surgery on both shoulders.

They just are not comparable situations.

Because I wasn't talking about trade value. I was only talking about whether some gm was willing to take a chance on him, arguing that there are other guys (I just chose Lin as one of many) that gms have taken chances on that are equally as unknown and equally as risky (or injury prone). I don't think Lin is at all far off from a good comparison in those regards. Thank you.

I am missing the point then.  Did anyone suggest that no GM would take a chance on Bradley?  This thread is about trading Bradley for a valuable player, not taking a chance on a guy.

I guess you are missing the point b/c first, this thread is not about Bradley and second, I only brought up that point to the guy with questions about a gm taking a chance on AB at this time. Now, I'm not going to reply to you again b/c I can see you didn't actually read what we were talking about. Thank you.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: CelticG1 on November 21, 2012, 10:36:26 AM
Not sure if I buy the rumor, but I do wonder how a combo of KG and Gortat would work. Or how KG would play offensively against another big who works best in pick and roll situations.

My guess is that since both players have decent to great range, and the fact that Garnett is such a brilliant interior passer that itd end up working quite well.
Offensively it would work great, as KG is very comfortable playing on the perimeter.

Defensively is my worry about the hypothetical combo.

What are you worried about defensively?
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Fafnir on November 21, 2012, 10:38:47 AM
Not sure if I buy the rumor, but I do wonder how a combo of KG and Gortat would work. Or how KG would play offensively against another big who works best in pick and roll situations.

My guess is that since both players have decent to great range, and the fact that Garnett is such a brilliant interior passer that itd end up working quite well.
Offensively it would work great, as KG is very comfortable playing on the perimeter.

Defensively is my worry about the hypothetical combo.

What are you worried about defensively?
KG being forced to cover PFs more frequently and the C's losing the quickness they've had in the lineup with KG at C.

The rebounding alone would probably make up for any loss there, (except maybe against Miami/New York with LeBron/Melo at the PF spot) but its a concern I'd have till I saw the line up work.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Rondo2287 on November 21, 2012, 10:42:34 AM
Not sure if I buy the rumor, but I do wonder how a combo of KG and Gortat would work. Or how KG would play offensively against another big who works best in pick and roll situations.

My guess is that since both players have decent to great range, and the fact that Garnett is such a brilliant interior passer that itd end up working quite well.
Offensively it would work great, as KG is very comfortable playing on the perimeter.

Defensively is my worry about the hypothetical combo.

What are you worried about defensively?
KG being forced to cover PFs more frequently and the C's losing the quickness they've had in the lineup with KG at C.

The rebounding alone would probably make up for any loss there, (except maybe against Miami/New York with LeBron/Melo at the PF spot) but its a concern I'd have till I saw the line up work.

I agree, I think KG has the ability to turn it on defensively in man to man situations for short stints but can't do it for a whole game anymore.  I remember a few years ago back in the playoffs against the Knicks there was one game down the stretch where KG just absolutely took Amare out of the game.  He wouldnt even let him touch the ball for like a 3 minute span.

KG against Centers now makes him not have to work as hard on possession by possession basis which makes him more effective on the whole.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: mctyson on November 21, 2012, 10:45:05 AM
I don't see why so many people want to trade Avery Bradley for anyone.  When he was healthy and starting last year, we had the best team in the NBA, maybe excluding Miami.

I will be furious if we trade him for a backup center.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Rondo2287 on November 21, 2012, 10:46:44 AM
I don't see why so many people want to trade Avery Bradley for anyone.  When he was healthy and starting last year, we had the best team in the NBA, maybe excluding Miami.

I will be furious if we trade him for a backup center.
Gortat isnt a backup center anymore but other than that I agree with you.

I remember a game early in the season I went to against the bulls, Avery wasnt starting but saw some minutes and there were 4 straight posessions where he forced Rose to pass the ball and become un-invovled in the offense.  It was a thing of beauty.  I was freaking out in the stands and nobody else seemed to think it was all that special haha
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: ScoobyDoo on November 21, 2012, 11:55:08 AM
A lineup of -
 
KG / Gortat
Bass / Wilcox

Would be pretty nice, but I don't what package would get us Gortat.

I know two things though:

1. I'd trade Sully before I'd trade Bradley, especially since we'd be getting a starting Center back and could also then slide KG to PF in spurts

2. I'd really rather just keep BOTH Sully and Bradley.

Would something along the lines of Bass, Lee and a 1st round pick get the job done? I don't think so...Maybe throw in Melo? I'd say Jeff Green but I don't think his value right now is worth his contract and we really need him behind Pierce, whether he's playing great or not, given Pierce's age...
But -

KG / Gortat / Collins / Melo
Sully / Wilcox / Kenyon Martin?
Pierce / Green / Pietrus?
Bradley / Jet / Joseph
Rondo / Barbosa

Gortat
KG
Pierce
Bradley
Rondo

Ouch...

Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Kane3387 on November 21, 2012, 11:58:15 AM
I don't see why so many people want to trade Avery Bradley for anyone.  When he was healthy and starting last year, we had the best team in the NBA, maybe excluding Miami.

I will be furious if we trade him for a backup center.
Gortat isnt a backup center anymore but other than that I agree with you.

I remember a game early in the season I went to against the bulls, Avery wasnt starting but saw some minutes and there were 4 straight posessions where he forced Rose to pass the ball and become un-invovled in the offense.  It was a thing of beauty.  I was freaking out in the stands and nobody else seemed to think it was all that special haha

Most people don't understand the little things and don't really care too though. I am not talking about most people on this blog either. Just most people in general. I am sure if you were sitting around a lot of other celtic bloggers that you would not have been alone in your freaking out.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: ScoobyDoo on November 21, 2012, 12:05:18 PM
Agreed on Bradley. Bradley - like KG, Pierce and Rondo - is an "impact" player. He can significantly change games with a single skill and he brings that single elite skill every time he steps on the court, it is not inconsistent.

KG's elite skill (s): Defense - also all around game in his prime
Pierce: Scoring - also all around game
Rondo: Passing / play making - alla round game

Bradley: On ball defense, overall defense, intensity that is infectious. His all around game is coming as well.

I wouldn't trade Bradley unless I was getting a game changing player in return.

Sully, at this point you can see that he will be a solid player in the NBA for a long time but I can't yet tell if he will develop an elite skill. Maybe he can with rebounding or scoring - but I'm not convinced yet.   
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Kane3387 on November 21, 2012, 12:08:57 PM
Agreed on Bradley. Bradley - like KG, Pierce and Rondo - is an "impact" player. He can significantly change games with a single skill and he brings that single elite skill every time he steps on the court, it is not inconsistent.

KG's elite skill (s): Defense - also all around game in his prime
Pierce: Scoring - also all around game
Rondo: Passing / play making - alla round game

Bradley: On ball defense, overall defense, intensity that is infectious. His all around game is coming as well.

I wouldn't trade Bradley unless I was getting a game changing player in return.

Sully, at this point you can see that he will be a solid player in the NBA for a long time but I can't yet tell if he will develop an elite skill. Maybe he can with rebounding or scoring - but I'm not convinced yet.

In a series against Miami I wonder who would provide a bigger impact though - Bradley or Gortat?

Against LA I think it's obviously Gortat.

That being said I think Boston would be wise to wait on a trade. See if the Lakers do move Gasol. See what Miami does. See how Amare returns. After that then you make a move to best match up with the other Big Dogs in the league.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: blastoidesroidsnoids on November 21, 2012, 01:08:33 PM
If DA could make it happen without trading Bradley, Green or any of the big 3 I'd be for it.  But if not, then simply no.  Gortats not good enough to be that guy.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: RJ87 on November 21, 2012, 01:28:04 PM
Idk about Gortat, mostly because I like KG at the 5 so much. I think at this point, I'd see how AB comes back from injury and consider packaging C.Lee, Bass, and some 1st's for a quick/athletic PF that can crash the boards and take some of that load off KG.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on November 21, 2012, 01:55:39 PM
Idk about Gortat, mostly because I like KG at the 5 so much. I think at this point, I'd see how AB comes back from injury and consider packaging C.Lee, Bass, and some 1st's for a quick/athletic PF that can crash the boards and take some of that load off KG.

This ^^^
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Kane3387 on November 21, 2012, 02:07:54 PM
If DA could make it happen without trading Bradley, Green or any of the big 3 I'd be for it.  But if not, then simply no.  Gortats not good enough to be that guy.

I don't know... Gortat with Nash was very good. He also isn't overpaid which is rare for a Center. I would expect him and Rondo to be very good together also for the next 5-8 years.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: LooseCannon on November 21, 2012, 02:39:12 PM
I don't see why so many people want to trade Avery Bradley for anyone.

They want to make a trade for the sake of making a deal, and see Bradley as the best trade chip.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Fafnir on November 21, 2012, 02:49:52 PM
I don't see why so many people want to trade Avery Bradley for anyone.

They want to make a trade for the sake of making a deal, and see Bradley as the best trade chip.
Trading to address a serious deficiency, interior defense and rebounding beyond KG, isn't just making a trade for the sake of making a deal.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: rondohondo on November 21, 2012, 03:13:03 PM
Looking at the stats so far this season (I realize it's a small sample size) the c's are struggling in 2 areas fg% against (24th) and rebounding differential they are dead last(-5.3 per game , that's worse than last year when they finished 3rd to last with -4.4 a game)

Obviously Bradley would greatly help the perimeter defense and should keep opposing pg's and smaller two guards in check, but does that help with rebounding that much ? I guess you could say it allows our big men to get in better rebounding position . Does anyone know the rebounding differential from last season when Bradley took over the starting job? I would be really interested to see that.

Or would someone like Gortat have a bigger impact for the team ? He is not an elite low post defender, but he is a pretty good and versatile one. He strong enough play solid low post defense against bigger centers, is a good shot blocker, and is mobile enough to guard the pick and roll.

I know it's early , but I still think it's going to be Miami and LA that the C's have to go through . Sure you can say Bradley can limit Wade , but Lebron is really the one you have to stop. Having twin towers protecting the rim would make it much harder for Lebron to finish inside forcing him to take more jumpers. This has been the formula to beat Miami as Dallas did with Nowitzki and Chandler 2 years ago. Memphis exploited Miami the past few years too with Gasol and Randolph .

Then if we got by Miami and face LA in the finals I think Gortat would be more valuable than Bradley because he can guard both Gasol and Howard . I think Kobe is to big for Bradley to guard and Rondo can defend Nash so having a legit center would be more of an advantage in that series too

Man I am torn on this , but I think you have to go with the big man who is still only 28 and a double/double machine and inside presence on defense
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: hpantazo on November 21, 2012, 03:21:42 PM
I'm of the opinion that we trade Bradley now while his value is relatively high with his breakout performance last year and his cheap rookie contract. If not for Gortat then for someone else of good value, because I really don't see Bradley holding up physically long term considering the way he plays and the injuries he has already had in his brief career. He had ankle surgery his rookie year, and double shoulder surgery this past season. He has not had a single year in the pros in which he has made it through relatively healthy, and he plays so physically and all out that I don't think he will last very long.

It's a fair point that if we win it all, we need to go through miami and the lakers and Bradley would help to slow down Wade. With Wade's own deteriorating heath though, I don't think that should be our primary concern. Adding a center like Gortat helps close up the middle with KG at PF for either Wade or Lebron's penetration, and it goes a long way in helping slow down Dwight Howard in the finals.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on November 21, 2012, 03:27:29 PM
I'm of the opinion that we trade Bradley now while his value is relatively high with his breakout performance last year and his cheap rookie contract. If not for Gortat then for someone else of good value, because I really don't see Bradley holding up physically long term considering the way he plays and the injuries he has already had in his brief career. He had ankle surgery his rookie year, and double shoulder surgery this past season. He has not had a single year in the pros in which he has made it through relatively healthy, and he plays so physically and all out that I don't think he will last very long.

It's a fair point that if we win it all, we need to go through miami and the lakers and Bradley would help to slow down Wade. With Wade's own deteriorating heath though, I don't think that should be our primary concern. Adding a center like Gortat helps close up the middle with KG at PF for either Wade or Lebron's penetration, and it goes a long way in helping slow down Dwight Howard in the finals.

If we trade Bradley, do we really lose much on defense with Lee?

Also, we need rim protection to beat Miami. Period. No way around it. And KG alone isn't enough.

I love Bradley, would hate to lose him, but unless there's another way to get a solid big such as Gortat (and I haven't heard of one), Bradley may have to be the price we pay.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Who on November 21, 2012, 03:29:01 PM
I need someone better than Gortat to part with Bradley at this point in time.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: hpantazo on November 21, 2012, 03:31:25 PM
I need someone better than Gortat to part with Bradley at this point in time.

I hear the sixers may want to move Bynum and his bum knees now that he's out for the year ;D
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 21, 2012, 03:50:00 PM
I need someone better than Gortat to part with Bradley at this point in time.

I hear the sixers may want to move Bynum and his bum knees now that he's out for the year ;D

Trade em  sign  n trade  Collins for Bynum,  worth a gamgle he might want to take huge amounts of pills and injections for another year and finish the job on his knee joints, he'll be getting rid of them anyway soon.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: JSD on November 21, 2012, 03:56:56 PM
I'm of the opinion that we trade Bradley now while his value is relatively high with his breakout performance last year and his cheap rookie contract. If not for Gortat then for someone else of good value, because I really don't see Bradley holding up physically long term considering the way he plays and the injuries he has already had in his brief career. He had ankle surgery his rookie year, and double shoulder surgery this past season. He has not had a single year in the pros in which he has made it through relatively healthy, and he plays so physically and all out that I don't think he will last very long.

It's a fair point that if we win it all, we need to go through miami and the lakers and Bradley would help to slow down Wade. With Wade's own deteriorating heath though, I don't think that should be our primary concern. Adding a center like Gortat helps close up the middle with KG at PF for either Wade or Lebron's penetration, and it goes a long way in helping slow down Dwight Howard in the finals.

If we trade Bradley, do we really lose much on defense with Lee?

Also, we need rim protection to beat Miami. Period. No way around it. And KG alone isn't enough.

I love Bradley, would hate to lose him, but unless there's another way to get a solid big such as Gortat (and I haven't heard of one), Bradley may have to be the price we pay.

I'll echo this. I think if you can get a big with the talent of Gortat, especially with all the sg we have on the roster, you do it.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: hpantazo on November 21, 2012, 03:59:13 PM
I'm of the opinion that we trade Bradley now while his value is relatively high with his breakout performance last year and his cheap rookie contract. If not for Gortat then for someone else of good value, because I really don't see Bradley holding up physically long term considering the way he plays and the injuries he has already had in his brief career. He had ankle surgery his rookie year, and double shoulder surgery this past season. He has not had a single year in the pros in which he has made it through relatively healthy, and he plays so physically and all out that I don't think he will last very long.

It's a fair point that if we win it all, we need to go through miami and the lakers and Bradley would help to slow down Wade. With Wade's own deteriorating heath though, I don't think that should be our primary concern. Adding a center like Gortat helps close up the middle with KG at PF for either Wade or Lebron's penetration, and it goes a long way in helping slow down Dwight Howard in the finals.

If we trade Bradley, do we really lose much on defense with Lee?

Also, we need rim protection to beat Miami. Period. No way around it. And KG alone isn't enough.

I love Bradley, would hate to lose him, but unless there's another way to get a solid big such as Gortat (and I haven't heard of one), Bradley may have to be the price we pay.

I'll echo this. I think if you can get a big with the talent of Gortat, especially with all the sg we have on the roster, you do it.

I fully agree. Bradley is a better defender than Lee, but Lee is a solid defensive guard. If you can get a legit big man to start next to KG this is an easy decision imo. Clogging up the middle will help against Wade and Lebron as well as Dwight.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: wdleehi on November 21, 2012, 03:59:55 PM
I'm of the opinion that we trade Bradley now while his value is relatively high with his breakout performance last year and his cheap rookie contract. If not for Gortat then for someone else of good value, because I really don't see Bradley holding up physically long term considering the way he plays and the injuries he has already had in his brief career. He had ankle surgery his rookie year, and double shoulder surgery this past season. He has not had a single year in the pros in which he has made it through relatively healthy, and he plays so physically and all out that I don't think he will last very long.

It's a fair point that if we win it all, we need to go through miami and the lakers and Bradley would help to slow down Wade. With Wade's own deteriorating heath though, I don't think that should be our primary concern. Adding a center like Gortat helps close up the middle with KG at PF for either Wade or Lebron's penetration, and it goes a long way in helping slow down Dwight Howard in the finals.

If we trade Bradley, do we really lose much on defense with Lee?

Also, we need rim protection to beat Miami. Period. No way around it. And KG alone isn't enough.

I love Bradley, would hate to lose him, but unless there's another way to get a solid big such as Gortat (and I haven't heard of one), Bradley may have to be the price we pay.

I'll echo this. I think if you can get a big with the talent of Gortat, especially with all the sg we have on the roster, you do it.


Yep.  I would include either Lee or AB.  (still don't get the rumor/idea of both for Phoenix)
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: hpantazo on November 21, 2012, 04:01:49 PM
the real question should be, if we trade for Gortat, will Doc play him?
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Kane3387 on November 21, 2012, 04:14:47 PM
I need someone better than Gortat to part with Bradley at this point in time.

Such as?
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Fafnir on November 21, 2012, 04:16:49 PM
the real question should be, if we trade for Gortat, will Doc play him?
He played Perkins and Jermaine O'Neal.

He'd play Gortat.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: blastoidesroidsnoids on November 21, 2012, 04:20:38 PM
I'm of the opinion that we trade Bradley now while his value is relatively high with his breakout performance last year and his cheap rookie contract. If not for Gortat then for someone else of good value, because I really don't see Bradley holding up physically long term considering the way he plays and the injuries he has already had in his brief career. He had ankle surgery his rookie year, and double shoulder surgery this past season. He has not had a single year in the pros in which he has made it through relatively healthy, and he plays so physically and all out that I don't think he will last very long.

It's a fair point that if we win it all, we need to go through miami and the lakers and Bradley would help to slow down Wade. With Wade's own deteriorating heath though, I don't think that should be our primary concern. Adding a center like Gortat helps close up the middle with KG at PF for either Wade or Lebron's penetration, and it goes a long way in helping slow down Dwight Howard in the finals.

If we trade Bradley, do we really lose much on defense with Lee?

If thats true then why wouldnt they rather take Lee, the better 3 shooter, who didn't just have surgery on both of his shoulders?
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Who on November 21, 2012, 04:20:40 PM
I need someone better than Gortat to part with Bradley at this point in time.

Such as?
Someone who is an All-Star caliber player or close to it. Like Josh Smith.

Gortat is an above average starter but not a high level starter (top ten player at respective position).
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: hpantazo on November 21, 2012, 04:36:06 PM
I'm of the opinion that we trade Bradley now while his value is relatively high with his breakout performance last year and his cheap rookie contract. If not for Gortat then for someone else of good value, because I really don't see Bradley holding up physically long term considering the way he plays and the injuries he has already had in his brief career. He had ankle surgery his rookie year, and double shoulder surgery this past season. He has not had a single year in the pros in which he has made it through relatively healthy, and he plays so physically and all out that I don't think he will last very long.

It's a fair point that if we win it all, we need to go through miami and the lakers and Bradley would help to slow down Wade. With Wade's own deteriorating heath though, I don't think that should be our primary concern. Adding a center like Gortat helps close up the middle with KG at PF for either Wade or Lebron's penetration, and it goes a long way in helping slow down Dwight Howard in the finals.

If we trade Bradley, do we really lose much on defense with Lee?

If thats true then why wouldnt they rather take Lee, the better 3 shooter, who didn't just have surgery on both of his shoulders?

He's owed a heck of a lot more money, and hopefully they look past the shoulder issues like the sixers did with bynums knees
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: rondohondo on November 21, 2012, 04:39:22 PM
I need someone better than Gortat to part with Bradley at this point in time.

Such as?
Someone who is an All-Star caliber player or close to it. Like Josh Smith.

Gortat is an above average starter but not a high level starter (top ten player at respective position).

1)Howard
2)Chandler
3)Duncan
4)KG
5)Roy Hibbert
6)Cousins
7)Brooke Lopez
8)Bynum(when Healthy)
9)Big Al
10)Marc Gasol

Gortat would be next IMO so if we cross out Bynum because of injuries Gortat is in the top 10.

Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Fafnir on November 21, 2012, 04:41:42 PM
I need someone better than Gortat to part with Bradley at this point in time.

Such as?
Someone who is an All-Star caliber player or close to it. Like Josh Smith.

Gortat is an above average starter but not a high level starter (top ten player at respective position).

1)Howard
2)Chandler
3)KG
4)Roy Hibbert
5)Demarcus Cousins
6)Brooke Lopez
7)Bynum(when Healthy)
8)Andrew Bogut(when healthy)not even sure bout that one
9)Big Al
10)Marc Gasol

Gortat would be next IMO so if we cross out Bynum and Bogut because of injuries Gortat is in the top 10.
Except you forgot Nene, Chris Bosh, Anderson Varaejo, Joakim Noah, Al Horford, ....

I'll stop there as thats clearly enough to push Gortat well outside the top ten.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Yogi on November 21, 2012, 04:48:06 PM
I need someone better than Gortat to part with Bradley at this point in time.

Such as?
Someone who is an All-Star caliber player or close to it. Like Josh Smith.

Gortat is an above average starter but not a high level starter (top ten player at respective position).

1)Howard
2)Chandler
3)KG
4)Roy Hibbert
5)Demarcus Cousins
6)Brooke Lopez
7)Bynum(when Healthy)
8)Andrew Bogut(when healthy)not even sure bout that one
9)Big Al
10)Marc Gasol

Gortat would be next IMO so if we cross out Bynum and Bogut because of injuries Gortat is in the top 10.
Except you forgot Nene, Chris Bosh, Anderson Varaejo, Joakim Noah, Al Horford, ....

I'll stop there as thats clearly enough to push Gortat well outside the top ten.
I don't think Varaejo is necessarily better than Gortat, neither are guys like Pekovic and DeAndre Jordan who are very good.  But, Tim Duncan, Al Jefferson and Pau Gasol without a doubt are better Centers than Gortat.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: rondohondo on November 21, 2012, 04:52:32 PM
I need someone better than Gortat to part with Bradley at this point in time.

Such as?
Someone who is an All-Star caliber player or close to it. Like Josh Smith.

Gortat is an above average starter but not a high level starter (top ten player at respective position).

1)Howard
2)Chandler
3)KG
4)Roy Hibbert
5)Demarcus Cousins
6)Brooke Lopez
7)Bynum(when Healthy)
8)Andrew Bogut(when healthy)not even sure bout that one
9)Big Al
10)Marc Gasol

Gortat would be next IMO so if we cross out Bynum and Bogut because of injuries Gortat is in the top 10.
Except you forgot Nene, Chris Bosh, Anderson Varaejo, Joakim Noah, Al Horford, ....

I'll stop there as thats clearly enough to push Gortat well outside the top ten.


tp you got me

still think Gortat is more of a need than Bradley for this team to win this year and get through Miami and LA. Would be thrilled if we could somehow get Gortat without giving up Bradley, but I doubt it .  I don't see any other big man as nearly as cheap as Gortat for his level of production . The only other big man I could see being available for bradley would be big al but then we would have to send a ton more salary along with him like Green and Lee.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Fafnir on November 21, 2012, 04:54:33 PM
I need someone better than Gortat to part with Bradley at this point in time.

Such as?
Someone who is an All-Star caliber player or close to it. Like Josh Smith.

Gortat is an above average starter but not a high level starter (top ten player at respective position).

1)Howard
2)Chandler
3)KG
4)Roy Hibbert
5)Demarcus Cousins
6)Brooke Lopez
7)Bynum(when Healthy)
8)Andrew Bogut(when healthy)not even sure bout that one
9)Big Al
10)Marc Gasol

Gortat would be next IMO so if we cross out Bynum and Bogut because of injuries Gortat is in the top 10.
Except you forgot Nene, Chris Bosh, Anderson Varaejo, Joakim Noah, Al Horford, ....

I'll stop there as thats clearly enough to push Gortat well outside the top ten.


tp you got me

still think Gortat is more of a need than Bradley for this team to win this year and get through Miami and LA. Would be thrilled if we could somehow get Gortat without giving up Bradley, but I doubt it .  I don't see any other big man as nearly as cheap as Gortat for his level of production . The only other big man I could see being available for bradley would be big al but then we would have to send a ton more salary along with him like Green and Lee.
Yeah I can see that, though I want to see if Bradley can come back and play like he was. Building for the future if Bradley plays like he did in the second half the difference in impact between Gortat/Bradley wouldn't be very much.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 21, 2012, 05:19:12 PM
I dunno.   Bigs have good impact, Bradley can shut people down but I for one would like to see what we could do with some boards and more possessions.   I'd almost roll the dice but I doubt they would.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: blastoidesroidsnoids on November 21, 2012, 05:35:57 PM
Also... theres not a single bit of evidence in that article that Boston is interested in him
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: nostar on November 21, 2012, 06:02:58 PM
Don't think Phoenix let's Gortat go for a recently injured SG with 3 months of starting experience. It would take some combination of Bradley and Sullinger/Green/Melo/Lee to even match the +7M owed to Gortat.

My opinion is that if they will take a package of Bass/Bradley/1st then it's a trade we should make. If not then there is no reason to part with Bradley until we've seen how he comes back from injury.

We don't have any salaries (aside from the big 3) that can be moved out before mid-January that match Gortat's so unless PHX wants to take on 5-6 minimum level contracts this discussion is moot.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Celtics18 on November 23, 2012, 10:37:44 AM
I need someone better than Gortat to part with Bradley at this point in time.

Such as?
Someone who is an All-Star caliber player or close to it. Like Josh Smith.

Gortat is an above average starter but not a high level starter (top ten player at respective position).

1)Howard
2)Chandler
3)KG
4)Roy Hibbert
5)Demarcus Cousins
6)Brooke Lopez
7)Bynum(when Healthy)
8)Andrew Bogut(when healthy)not even sure bout that one
9)Big Al
10)Marc Gasol

Gortat would be next IMO so if we cross out Bynum and Bogut because of injuries Gortat is in the top 10.
Except you forgot Nene, Chris Bosh, Anderson Varaejo, Joakim Noah, Al Horford, ....

I'll stop there as thats clearly enough to push Gortat well outside the top ten.

Howard, Chandler, KG, M.Gasol, (and a healthy--which is rare--Bymun) are the only centers in the league that I would put clearly ahead of Marcin Gortat.

The guy has not gotten a lot of national hype, but his numbers and his game suggest that he is a top ten center.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: RyNye on November 23, 2012, 10:51:20 AM
Gortat is a vastly underrated player.

He's not a star, but he is, for example, better than Roy Hibbert (who is vastly overrated). At least if you look at the numbers. Gortat rebounds well, defends well, and shoots well. His only real weakness is that he isn't a good passer, but that isn't exactly something this team needs ...
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 23, 2012, 11:48:57 AM
I need someone better than Gortat to part with Bradley at this point in time.

Such as?
Someone who is an All-Star caliber player or close to it. Like Josh Smith.

Gortat is an above average starter but not a high level starter (top ten player at respective position).

1)Howard
2)Chandler
3)KG
4)Roy Hibbert
5)Demarcus Cousins
6)Brooke Lopez
7)Bynum(when Healthy)
8)Andrew Bogut(when healthy)not even sure bout that one
9)Big Al
10)Marc Gasol

Gortat would be next IMO so if we cross out Bynum and Bogut because of injuries Gortat is in the top 10.
Except you forgot Nene, Chris Bosh, Anderson Varaejo, Joakim Noah, Al Horford, ....

I'll stop there as thats clearly enough to push Gortat well outside the top ten.

Howard, Chandler, KG, M.Gasol, (and a healthy--which is rare--Bymun) are the only centers in the league that I would put clearly ahead of Marcin Gortat.

The guy has not gotten a lot of national hype, but his numbers and his game suggest that he is a top ten center.

Agreed. I saw a lot of PFs listed ahead of Gortat, not Centers. Not arguing one way or another about a trade, but Gortat is a true and solid Center.

Someone mentioned Brook Lopez ahead of a healthy Bynum, and a few other names... that stance is equivalent to drinking chloroform, in my opinion.
[no disrespect, joke just came to me and I thought it was sooo funny :)]
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: mrpoundforpound on November 23, 2012, 11:51:14 AM
I like gortat but wouldnt include jeff green in any trades. he is one of the celtics few untouchables besides rondo right now
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: mrpoundforpound on November 23, 2012, 11:57:48 AM
If DA could make it happen without trading Bradley, Green or any of the big 3 I'd be for it.  But if not, then simply no.  Gortats not good enough to be that guy.

Completely agree. As long as we don't trade our stars or future stars I would trade for gortat. Although i would rather part with bradley than green. Green is nasty when healthy.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: cman88 on November 23, 2012, 12:57:10 PM
Honestly, trading Lee would make alot more sense than Bradley....this is a defensive team and I dont think you want Terry/Lee to be your guards..both have been horrid defensively.

you trade Lee, you can put Bradley back in the starting lineup with Terry on the bench
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: celticinorlando on November 23, 2012, 12:59:08 PM
afraid bradley will be a must in the deal....can see bradley and sully for gortat
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: AB_Celtic on November 23, 2012, 01:03:04 PM
afraid bradley will be a must in the deal....can see bradley and sully for gortat

Salaries don't come close to matching.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: cman88 on November 23, 2012, 01:03:20 PM
afraid bradley will be a must in the deal....can see bradley and sully for gortat

IMO that would be too much for Gortat..because now you are forced to start Terry(who is horrid defensively) and leave Lee(who has been horrible all around) as your guards.

it might help our rebounding, but who is going to stop dribble penetration? if Gortat/KG have to keep helping out because Rondo/terry/Lee cant stay in front of anyone the paint is going to be wide open anyway
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on November 23, 2012, 01:06:08 PM
afraid bradley will be a must in the deal....can see bradley and sully for gortat

IMO that would be too much for Gortat..because now you are forced to start Terry(who is horrid defensively) and leave Lee(who has been horrible all around) as your guards.

it might help our rebounding, but who is going to stop dribble penetration? if Gortat/KG have to keep helping out because Rondo/terry/Lee cant stay in front of anyone the paint is going to be wide open anyway

Yup, some people just don't get it.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: 2short on November 23, 2012, 01:15:25 PM
If there really is an offer going I'd assume Bass would have to be the biggest part with contracts
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: moiso on November 23, 2012, 01:16:15 PM
If DA could make it happen without trading Bradley, Green or any of the big 3 I'd be for it.  But if not, then simply no.  Gortats not good enough to be that guy.

Completely agree. As long as we don't trade our stars or future stars I would trade for gortat. Although i would rather part with bradley than green. Green is nasty when healthy.
He is healthy. 
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: radiohead on November 23, 2012, 01:27:27 PM
Don't trade Avery please..
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: hpantazo on November 23, 2012, 01:48:23 PM
If DA could make it happen without trading Bradley, Green or any of the big 3 I'd be for it.  But if not, then simply no.  Gortats not good enough to be that guy.

Completely agree. As long as we don't trade our stars or future stars I would trade for gortat. Although i would rather part with bradley than green. Green is nasty when healthy.
He is healthy.

Green won't be fully recovered from his heart surgery for about another 6 months according to the latest article.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Brendan on November 23, 2012, 01:59:48 PM
Still think if Boston makes a trade it will include a third team. Lee & bass are solid pieces for contending teams, if celts could get pick & expiring for one, they'd have flex to make a move.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: CelticG1 on November 23, 2012, 03:37:47 PM
Haha people are saying don't trade our future star Bradley. That's funny. I'm assuming Sully is another future star that is untouchable.

Man this just reminds me of the KG Jefferson trade. So funny
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on November 23, 2012, 03:41:46 PM
Haha people are saying don't trade our future star Bradley. That's funny. I'm assuming Sully is another future star that is untouchable.

Man this just reminds me of the KG Jefferson trade. So funny

Who is saying bradley is a star? Only people against bradley are giving him that label. We simply don't wanna give him up especially since im [dang] near positive there is a way to get gortat without doing so. You people act like bradley is a nobody and then turnaround and act like the suns will demand him for gortat. If hes such a nobody then im sure we can keep him without the suns demanding him.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: cman88 on November 23, 2012, 04:00:20 PM
no one has said that Bradley is a star...but the stats suggest our defense went to otherworldly levels when Bradley was moved to the starting lineup.

for a team who thus far has been poor with dribble penetration and defense as a whole (with 4/5 of the starting lineup the same)

I think fans recognize what sort of impact bradley can have on the defensive end.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: snowball on November 23, 2012, 05:02:26 PM
no one has said that Bradley is a star...but the stats suggest our defense went to otherworldly levels when Bradley was moved to the starting lineup.

for a team who thus far has been poor with dribble penetration and defense as a whole (with 4/5 of the starting lineup the same)

I think fans recognize what sort of impact bradley can have on the defensive end.

Gortat can have just as much effect on defense.
Plus he can roll with the bigs. And it frees up
KG.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: MBunge on November 23, 2012, 05:46:45 PM
The thing about trading for Gortat is that there's no good reason for Boston's defense to be as bad as it has been.  Plenty of teams have new personnel.  Plenty of teams are missing players.  Neither of those excuse Boston's defensive problems.  If the problem isn't the players but the defensive scheme itself, throwing a 7 footer into the mix won't solve anything.

Mike
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: mgent on November 24, 2012, 08:02:54 AM
I need someone better than Gortat to part with Bradley at this point in time.

Such as?
Someone who is an All-Star caliber player or close to it. Like Josh Smith.

Gortat is an above average starter but not a high level starter (top ten player at respective position).

1)Howard
2)Chandler
3)KG
4)Roy Hibbert
5)Demarcus Cousins
6)Brooke Lopez
7)Bynum(when Healthy)
8)Andrew Bogut(when healthy)not even sure bout that one
9)Big Al
10)Marc Gasol

Gortat would be next IMO so if we cross out Bynum and Bogut because of injuries Gortat is in the top 10.
Except you forgot Nene, Chris Bosh, Anderson Varaejo, Joakim Noah, Al Horford, ....

I'll stop there as thats clearly enough to push Gortat well outside the top ten.
That list isn't accurate.  Noah and Varejao are highly questionable (Gortat is slightly worse defensively and much better offensively), and I'd say he's pretty clearly ahead of guys like Hibbert and Jefferson.

1. Howard
----
2. Chandler
3. KG
4. Horford
5. Gasol
----
6. Bosh
7. Nene
8. Cousins

Those are the only guys that I'd say are clearly better.  Although it's worth noting that 4/8 of them are PFs playing C.  Gortat is a dying breed, and really a rare talent these days.

I'd put Gortat on that 4th tier fighting with but most likely ahead of Varejao, Noah, and Lopez.  Saying he's "WELL outside the top ten" is hardly true.  Bynum and Bogut could both make the 2nd tier but they're never healthy.

Edit:  If he had the help of Boston/Rondo I think he'd rise up the list fairly quickly.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: mctyson on November 24, 2012, 08:13:21 AM
Haha people are saying don't trade our future star Bradley. That's funny. I'm assuming Sully is another future star that is untouchable.

Man this just reminds me of the KG Jefferson trade. So funny

Comparing Marcin Gortat to KG is ridiculous.  Gortat is a decent center, nothing more.

Giving up AB and Sully to get him would be a steal for PHX.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: jdz101 on November 24, 2012, 08:31:05 AM
I need someone better than Gortat to part with Bradley at this point in time.

Such as?
Someone who is an All-Star caliber player or close to it. Like Josh Smith.

Gortat is an above average starter but not a high level starter (top ten player at respective position).

1)Howard
2)Chandler
3)KG
4)Roy Hibbert
5)Demarcus Cousins
6)Brooke Lopez
7)Bynum(when Healthy)
8)Andrew Bogut(when healthy)not even sure bout that one
9)Big Al
10)Marc Gasol

Gortat would be next IMO so if we cross out Bynum and Bogut because of injuries Gortat is in the top 10.
Except you forgot Nene, Chris Bosh, Anderson Varaejo, Joakim Noah, Al Horford, ....

I'll stop there as thats clearly enough to push Gortat well outside the top ten.
That list isn't accurate.  Noah and Varejao are highly questionable (Gortat is slightly worse defensively and much better offensively), and I'd say he's pretty clearly ahead of guys like Hibbert and Jefferson.

1. Howard
----
2. Chandler
3. KG
4. Horford
5. Gasol
----
6. Bosh
7. Nene
8. Cousins

Those are the only guys that I'd say are clearly better.  Although it's worth noting that 4/8 of them are PFs playing C.  Gortat is a dying breed, and really a rare talent these days.

I'd put Gortat on that 4th tier fighting with but most likely ahead of Varejao, Noah, and Lopez.  Saying he's "WELL outside the top ten" is hardly true.  Bynum and Bogut could both make the 2nd tier but they're never healthy.

Edit:  If he had the help of Boston/Rondo I think he'd rise up the list fairly quickly.

All I can gather from this is that you overrate Gortat in a big big way.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: pearljammer10 on November 24, 2012, 08:37:17 AM
no one has said that Bradley is a star...but the stats suggest our defense went to otherworldly levels when Bradley was moved to the starting lineup.

for a team who thus far has been poor with dribble penetration and defense as a whole (with 4/5 of the starting lineup the same)

I think fans recognize what sort of impact bradley can have on the defensive end.

Gortat can have just as much effect on defense.
Plus he can roll with the bigs. And it frees up
KG.

Gotta give you a TP for this one. Sure Bradley can hound whatever guard he picks up. But our biggest weaknesses on defense (other than chemistry and figuring rotations at the moment) are pick and roll defense, defensive rebounding, and protecting the rim/paint. Gortat fixing those needs in a huge way. The celtics have been a terrible pick and roll defending teams, having gortat being able to defend the pick and roll with KG behind him commanding the D would indeed be just as effective.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: mgent on November 24, 2012, 11:18:18 AM
I need someone better than Gortat to part with Bradley at this point in time.

Such as?
Someone who is an All-Star caliber player or close to it. Like Josh Smith.

Gortat is an above average starter but not a high level starter (top ten player at respective position).

1)Howard
2)Chandler
3)KG
4)Roy Hibbert
5)Demarcus Cousins
6)Brooke Lopez
7)Bynum(when Healthy)
8)Andrew Bogut(when healthy)not even sure bout that one
9)Big Al
10)Marc Gasol

Gortat would be next IMO so if we cross out Bynum and Bogut because of injuries Gortat is in the top 10.
Except you forgot Nene, Chris Bosh, Anderson Varaejo, Joakim Noah, Al Horford, ....

I'll stop there as thats clearly enough to push Gortat well outside the top ten.
That list isn't accurate.  Noah and Varejao are highly questionable (Gortat is slightly worse defensively and much better offensively), and I'd say he's pretty clearly ahead of guys like Hibbert and Jefferson.

1. Howard
----
2. Chandler
3. KG
4. Horford
5. Gasol
----
6. Bosh
7. Nene
8. Cousins

Those are the only guys that I'd say are clearly better.  Although it's worth noting that 4/8 of them are PFs playing C.  Gortat is a dying breed, and really a rare talent these days.

I'd put Gortat on that 4th tier fighting with but most likely ahead of Varejao, Noah, and Lopez.  Saying he's "WELL outside the top ten" is hardly true.  Bynum and Bogut could both make the 2nd tier but they're never healthy.

Edit:  If he had the help of Boston/Rondo I think he'd rise up the list fairly quickly.

All I can gather from this is that you overrate Gortat in a big big way.
What did I say that makes you think that?  I never even said anything about his play.  If anything I'm saying that the league is weak at center right now.  There's plenty of talent, but guys like Jefferson, Lopez, Bargnani don't bring as much to their team just because they can score at will.

The most important ability for centers is to be able to help everybody in the paint on defense and limit the pick and roll.  They also need to be able to control the boards.  In addition to these things Gortat can block lots of shots and is an excellent man to man defender. 

He's one of maybe 10 guys who can do all those things, and half of them are liabilities on offense.  Gortat on the other hand is a very efficient pick and roll guy that shoots 56% every year and can spread out the defense.  He also can't get picked on by bigger guys like a lot of the smaller PF/Cs who aren't true centers. 

He's not elite at any one thing nor is he an all-star talent, but he does a lot of things very well.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on November 24, 2012, 12:18:18 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Phoenix under the cap, hence not limited to the 125% restriction? As long as the trade doesn't put them over the cap, I think we should be good to go. I think they have about a 1 million wiggle room, so probably we need to get around 6 million worth on contracts.

Can someone confirm?

Also, is Pietrus sign-and-trade a possible play?
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: angryguy77 on November 24, 2012, 12:27:30 PM
The thing about trading for Gortat is that there's no good reason for Boston's defense to be as bad as it has been.  Plenty of teams have new personnel.  Plenty of teams are missing players.  Neither of those excuse Boston's defensive problems.  If the problem isn't the players but the defensive scheme itself, throwing a 7 footer into the mix won't solve anything.

Mike

This.

 
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Kane3387 on November 24, 2012, 12:28:09 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Phoenix under the cap, hence not limited to the 125% restriction? As long as the trade doesn't put them over the cap, I think we should be good to go. I think they have about a 1 million wiggle room, so probably we need to get around 6 million worth on contracts.

Can someone confirm?

Also, is Pietrus sign-and-trade a possible play?

Suns have over six million worth in cap space. Not sure that really helps us bc we have to ship out enough to bring in gortat. But maybe shipping out more money would really help in us safely using the bae to sign a guy like pietrus. Bass, lee, and fab for gortat.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on November 24, 2012, 05:37:48 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Phoenix under the cap, hence not limited to the 125% restriction? As long as the trade doesn't put them over the cap, I think we should be good to go. I think they have about a 1 million wiggle room, so probably we need to get around 6 million worth on contracts.

Can someone confirm?

Also, is Pietrus sign-and-trade a possible play?

Suns have over six million worth in cap space. Not sure that really helps us bc we have to ship out enough to bring in gortat. But maybe shipping out more money would really help in us safely using the bae to sign a guy like pietrus. Bass, lee, and fab for gortat.

Again, when a team is under the cap, they're not limited to those restraints, which is why I was asking, this is how "trade exceptions" get created.

Or am I missing something?
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Kane3387 on November 24, 2012, 05:52:24 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Phoenix under the cap, hence not limited to the 125% restriction? As long as the trade doesn't put them over the cap, I think we should be good to go. I think they have about a 1 million wiggle room, so probably we need to get around 6 million worth on contracts.

Can someone confirm?

Also, is Pietrus sign-and-trade a possible play?

Suns have over six million worth in cap space. Not sure that really helps us bc we have to ship out enough to bring in gortat. But maybe shipping out more money would really help in us safely using the bae to sign a guy like pietrus. Bass, lee, and fab for gortat.

Again, when a team is under the cap, they're not limited to those restraints, which is why I was asking, this is how "trade exceptions" get created.

Or am I missing something?

I was just saying that we were still under the restraint. That's all.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: chambers on November 24, 2012, 05:52:43 PM
Haha people are saying don't trade our future star Bradley. That's funny. I'm assuming Sully is another future star that is untouchable.

Man this just reminds me of the KG Jefferson trade. So funny

Comparing Marcin Gortat to KG is ridiculous.  Gortat is a decent center, nothing more.

Giving up AB and Sully to get him would be a steal for PHX.

I agree that Bradley is treated like the golden child. Fans tend to cling to guys that have worked their way up and 'struggled' like a rose that grows from the concrete especially since he was drafted here and we've watched him grow.

I do think giving up both Sully and Bradley for Gortat is probably too much.
I think Gortat is much more than a defensive center.
He's durable, has very solid hands and can finish at and around the rim via lobs, put backs and some post moves.

I think Kendrick Perkins is what you call a defensive center. Gortat is one of about 7-8 humans on earth that are that tall, big and strong that have athleticism and can put the ball in the hole and guard the paint reasonably well. I remember when he backed up Dwight in Orlando and did a very good job on both ends, if he ran the pick n roll with Rondo we could get something good from him.

Gortat is like a 1 in a billion type of human. Lebron is 1 in 6 billion type of human.

Avery Bradley? I don't think he's as rare as Gortat.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Kane3387 on November 24, 2012, 05:56:48 PM
Given that Bradley's body of quality work is rather brief and he's damaged goods, I'd take a serious look at this deal - depending on what the plan would be to bolster the 2 after it.

I don't share the conviction here at all that Bradley is destined for stardom; there simply isn't enough evidence on him yet to reach that conclusion.
No there isn't.

The main reason I would prefer to move Sullinger is that if the team is keeping Bass then Sullinger would be largely redundent for this year. KG/Bass/Gortat will eat up almost all of your PF/C minutes.

Bradley is more unique in what he brings and more proven as a prospect.

I completely agree with this. If you move Lee to make salaries work then you move Sully. If you move Bass to make salaries work then you move AB. Assuming you HAVE to move one of Sully or AB to make the deal work.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Tr1boy on November 24, 2012, 06:08:31 PM
Gorat for Jeff Green, + 1st round pick or Sullinger or Melo. Get it done DAnny

The more i think about it, i wish the celts went after Asik harder and put on a take or leave it offer for Jeff Green. Asik has been a double double machine. We could of really used him.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: hpantazo on November 24, 2012, 06:16:34 PM
Gorat for Jeff Green, + 1st round pick or Sullinger or Melo. Get it done DAnny

The more i think about it, i wish the celts went after Asik harder and put on a take or leave it offer for Jeff Green. Asik has been a double double machine. We could of really used him.

the way the salary cap is structured, we could not have gotten Asik even if we let Green walk.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: snively on November 24, 2012, 06:21:09 PM
Given that Bradley's body of quality work is rather brief and he's damaged goods, I'd take a serious look at this deal - depending on what the plan would be to bolster the 2 after it.

I don't share the conviction here at all that Bradley is destined for stardom; there simply isn't enough evidence on him yet to reach that conclusion.
No there isn't.

The main reason I would prefer to move Sullinger is that if the team is keeping Bass then Sullinger would be largely redundent for this year. KG/Bass/Gortat will eat up almost all of your PF/C minutes.

Bradley is more unique in what he brings and more proven as a prospect.

I completely agree with this. If you move Lee to make salaries work then you move Sully. If you move Bass to make salaries work then you move AB. Assuming you HAVE to move one of Sully or AB to make the deal work.

But why would Phoenix want Sully?  They have Scola locked up for the next few years and last year's lotto pick Morris right behind him.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Kane3387 on November 24, 2012, 06:37:43 PM
Given that Bradley's body of quality work is rather brief and he's damaged goods, I'd take a serious look at this deal - depending on what the plan would be to bolster the 2 after it.

I don't share the conviction here at all that Bradley is destined for stardom; there simply isn't enough evidence on him yet to reach that conclusion.
No there isn't.

The main reason I would prefer to move Sullinger is that if the team is keeping Bass then Sullinger would be largely redundent for this year. KG/Bass/Gortat will eat up almost all of your PF/C minutes.

Bradley is more unique in what he brings and more proven as a prospect.

I completely agree with this. If you move Lee to make salaries work then you move Sully. If you move Bass to make salaries work then you move AB. Assuming you HAVE to move one of Sully or AB to make the deal work.

But why would Phoenix want Sully?  They have Scola locked up for the next few years and last year's lotto pick Morris right behind him.

He's an asset. Just like Scola will be after this season.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Fafnir on November 24, 2012, 06:48:29 PM
Given that Bradley's body of quality work is rather brief and he's damaged goods, I'd take a serious look at this deal - depending on what the plan would be to bolster the 2 after it.

I don't share the conviction here at all that Bradley is destined for stardom; there simply isn't enough evidence on him yet to reach that conclusion.
No there isn't.

The main reason I would prefer to move Sullinger is that if the team is keeping Bass then Sullinger would be largely redundent for this year. KG/Bass/Gortat will eat up almost all of your PF/C minutes.

Bradley is more unique in what he brings and more proven as a prospect.

I completely agree with this. If you move Lee to make salaries work then you move Sully. If you move Bass to make salaries work then you move AB. Assuming you HAVE to move one of Sully or AB to make the deal work.

But why would Phoenix want Sully?  They have Scola locked up for the next few years and last year's lotto pick Morris right behind him.
Scola is already having his minutes cut a ton to develop Morris. He and Gortat are clear trading pieces that most likely will be moved. (Scola can't be traded for a year due to amnesty rules)
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Kane3387 on November 24, 2012, 07:22:00 PM
Given that Bradley's body of quality work is rather brief and he's damaged goods, I'd take a serious look at this deal - depending on what the plan would be to bolster the 2 after it.

I don't share the conviction here at all that Bradley is destined for stardom; there simply isn't enough evidence on him yet to reach that conclusion.
No there isn't.

The main reason I would prefer to move Sullinger is that if the team is keeping Bass then Sullinger would be largely redundent for this year. KG/Bass/Gortat will eat up almost all of your PF/C minutes.

Bradley is more unique in what he brings and more proven as a prospect.

I completely agree with this. If you move Lee to make salaries work then you move Sully. If you move Bass to make salaries work then you move AB. Assuming you HAVE to move one of Sully or AB to make the deal work.

But why would Phoenix want Sully?  They have Scola locked up for the next few years and last year's lotto pick Morris right behind him.
Scola is already having his minutes cut a ton to develop Morris. He and Gortat are clear trading pieces that most likely will be moved. (Scola can't be traded for a year due to amnesty rules)

I want to say that Scola will be traded next year at the salary clip that Phoenix bid with... If that is correct then he is a solid chip next season.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: mrpoundforpound on November 24, 2012, 07:45:38 PM
Gorat for Jeff Green, + 1st round pick or Sullinger or Melo. Get it done DAnny

The more i think about it, i wish the celts went after Asik harder and put on a take or leave it offer for Jeff Green. Asik has been a double double machine. We could of really used him.

WOuld not include jeff in any trades that won't net a superstar such as lebron or kobe. he has potential to be a rudy gay type player that can actually shoot and make plays.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: vinnie on November 24, 2012, 07:48:42 PM
Gorat for Jeff Green, + 1st round pick or Sullinger or Melo. Get it done DAnny

The more i think about it, i wish the celts went after Asik harder and put on a take or leave it offer for Jeff Green. Asik has been a double double machine. We could of really used him.

WOuld not include jeff in any trades that won't net a superstar such as lebron or kobe. he has potential to be a rudy gay type player that can actually shoot and make plays.

How many years has Jeff Green been in the league. When does potential go away and he is what he is -- an average small forward with great physical skills who just does not seem to use them. To me, if he does not break out this year he never will.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: mrpoundforpound on November 24, 2012, 07:52:32 PM
Gorat for Jeff Green, + 1st round pick or Sullinger or Melo. Get it done DAnny

The more i think about it, i wish the celts went after Asik harder and put on a take or leave it offer for Jeff Green. Asik has been a double double machine. We could of really used him.

WOuld not include jeff in any trades that won't net a superstar such as lebron or kobe. he has potential to be a rudy gay type player that can actually shoot and make plays.

How many years has Jeff Green been in the league. When does potential go away and he is what he is -- an average small forward with great physical skills who just does not seem to use them. To me, if he does not break out this year he never will.

He's coming off surgery and has only played 10 games since coming back i would give him a year at least. im surpirsed hes as much of a contributer as he is. stop getting on his case it p---es me off in a league where ****s like lebron and kobe and jordan get all the praise and genuine good guys like green get so much hate
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 24, 2012, 07:53:38 PM
Time is running out, I was hoping his heart surgery would help his lack of heart and give him a mental edge.   I still hope he pans out, when he attacks we win.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Celtics18 on November 24, 2012, 09:31:44 PM
Gorat for Jeff Green, + 1st round pick or Sullinger or Melo. Get it done DAnny

The more i think about it, i wish the celts went after Asik harder and put on a take or leave it offer for Jeff Green. Asik has been a double double machine. We could of really used him.

WOuld not include jeff in any trades that won't net a superstar such as lebron or kobe. he has potential to be a rudy gay type player that can actually shoot and make plays.

How many years has Jeff Green been in the league. When does potential go away and he is what he is -- an average small forward with great physical skills who just does not seem to use them. To me, if he does not break out this year he never will.

Yeah, like he said: "A Rudy Gay type player."
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: BballTim on November 24, 2012, 09:55:56 PM
Gorat for Jeff Green, + 1st round pick or Sullinger or Melo. Get it done DAnny

The more i think about it, i wish the celts went after Asik harder and put on a take or leave it offer for Jeff Green. Asik has been a double double machine. We could of really used him.

  I don't think Asik was considering MLE offers.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Tradetime on November 24, 2012, 10:38:58 PM
The fact that Gortat's numbers are down, I think he could be had without giving up more than a package of Lee and Melo/Joseph. I definitely wouldn't trade Sullinger for him, the guy has been coming on as of late and giving good contributions as he rotates with Bass in the starting lineup. He is a true power forward, and will be needed to help keep KG fresh down the stretch.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: BballTim on November 29, 2012, 04:12:11 PM
The fact that Gortat's numbers are down, I think he could be had without giving up more than a package of Lee and Melo/Joseph. I definitely wouldn't trade Sullinger for him, the guy has been coming on as of late and giving good contributions as he rotates with Bass in the starting lineup. He is a true power forward, and will be needed to help keep KG fresh down the stretch.

  He's scored 6 points in 3 of the last4 games with 5 or less boards in each of those 3 games. If we do trade for him we'll have to thank him for driving down his trade value.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Chris on November 29, 2012, 04:13:57 PM
Gorat for Jeff Green, + 1st round pick or Sullinger or Melo. Get it done DAnny

The more i think about it, i wish the celts went after Asik harder and put on a take or leave it offer for Jeff Green. Asik has been a double double machine. We could of really used him.

  I don't think Asik was considering MLE offers.

He may have, if Houston hadn't been involved, but the Bulls just would have matched it before the ink dried on the offer sheet.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: perks-a-beast on November 29, 2012, 05:15:54 PM
Gorat for Jeff Green, + 1st round pick or Sullinger or Melo. Get it done DAnny

The more i think about it, i wish the celts went after Asik harder and put on a take or leave it offer for Jeff Green. Asik has been a double double machine. We could of really used him.

unfortunately, I think most NBA GM's are too intelligent to trade for Jeff Green.
Title: Re: Boston Very Interested in Gortat
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on November 29, 2012, 05:21:50 PM
Gorat for Jeff Green, + 1st round pick or Sullinger or Melo. Get it done DAnny

The more i think about it, i wish the celts went after Asik harder and put on a take or leave it offer for Jeff Green. Asik has been a double double machine. We could of really used him.

unfortunately, I think most NBA GM's are too intelligent to trade for Jeff Green.

Too bad Danny doesn't fit in that category.