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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: jaketwice on November 19, 2012, 12:15:44 PM
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We get Jefferson, they get Pierce and Kris Joseph. Who says no?
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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=csdupxy
We get Jefferson, they get Pierce and Kris Joseph. Who says no?
Us
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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=csdupxy
We get Jefferson, they get Pierce and Kris Joseph. Who says no?
Us
COunt me in, if I wasn't mentioned yet.
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Pierce is still a better player than Big Al. By quite a big margin too.
No interest.
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I mean, I'm opposed to trading pierce form a sentimental level, but I don't think that's an awful trade.
Although it puts ALOT of pressure on JG. your trading our Starting SF and our SF draft pick for a PF.
So it makes Green our primary SF (who thus far hasen't impressed, though i don't think he's as terrable as people are making out)
And I guess...Lee is the backup SF? that sounds like a potential disastor spot.
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no
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No.
KG, Pierce and Rondo are not tradeable if you are trying to win now.
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I mean, I'm opposed to trading pierce form a sentimental level, but I don't think that's an awful trade.
Although it puts ALOT of pressure on JG. your trading our Starting SF and our SF draft pick for a PF.
So it makes Green our primary SF (who thus far hasen't impressed, though i don't think he's as terrable as people are making out)
And I guess...Lee is the backup SF? that sounds like a potential disastor spot.
Good point. The SF spot would be too weak without Pierce. I also feel sentimental about Pierce. ...but he has certainly lost a step. What is he shooting?
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Utah should be asking for Pierce, a young player like Bradley or Sullinger, and a first round pick.
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What about moving Sullinger over to take Pierce's place in the starting line-up?
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Utah should be asking for Pierce, a young player like Bradley or Sullinger, and a first round pick.
They got him for two picks.
They're not going to get a bigger haul than that.
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What about moving Sullinger over to take Pierce's place in the starting line-up?
This is exactly what I had in mind. Sullinger can easily replace PP in starting unit.
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What about moving Sullinger over to take Pierce's place in the starting line-up?
This is exactly what I had in mind. Sullinger can easily replace PP in starting unit.
You really think Sully can play the SF spot offensivly and, more importantly, Defensivly?
I have some beach front property in montana you might be intrested in ;)
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What about moving Sullinger over to take Pierce's place in the starting line-up?
This is exactly what I had in mind. Sullinger can easily replace PP in starting unit.
You really think Sully can play the SF spot offensivly and, more importantly, Defensivly?
I have some beach front property in montana you might be intrested in ;)
/s
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Utah should be asking for Pierce, a young player like Bradley or Sullinger, and a first round pick.
They got him for two picks.
They're not going to get a bigger haul than that.
Pierce is really ballast in that trade to make salaries match.
Utah should be asking for more than Ainge was asking for when he was shopping Ray Allen. Allen was almost shipped to Memphis for OJ Mayo and a draft pick, reportedly, so Utah should be holding out for at least that much value.
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Utah should be asking for Pierce, a young player like Bradley or Sullinger, and a first round pick.
No way.
Jefferson is a redundant piece in that Jazz squad. They have Millsap, Favors and Kanter to go with.
Honestly, a veteran scorer like Pierce is definitely enough for them to pull the trigger.
Add in Bradley and they'll have your statue erect in their court.
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More importantly, big al is on the last year of his contract. Why bother sending players away when his best value to this squad is bringing him in to accentuate the team we've already got?
That said, I don't know nearly enough about our salary cap situation to really provide any input.
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Never.
Jefferson is a horrifically overrated player who cannot defend, and I have zero interest in him at his current contract price, which is ridiculous.
Horrible trade.
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Never in a million year never for a million dollars. Terrible terrible.
Al should NOT be on our radar. I love the kid, has a decent game, but he is just bad news waiting to happen. Every team he goes to starts becoming worse.
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Never in a million year never for a million dollars. Terrible terrible.
Al should NOT be on our radar. I love the kid, has a decent game, but he is just bad news waiting to happen. Every team he goes to starts becoming worse.
Utah improved
Year one they were under 500.
Year two they were over 500.
This year, they are one game under 500, but it is way to early to call it.
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NO the Cs wouldn't get better losing pierce and gaining AL. They would be lucky if this is a lateral move.
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This is the 2nd post that I have seen someone suggest that Sully could move to the 3 position. What are you guys smokin? I would like some of it.
Sully is no where near quick enough to guard 3's in the NBA. He isn't quick enough to guard athletic 4's. He would be great on O against 3's but there is no way he would even have a chance on D.
I don't think Jefferson for PP is a good trade for us. We lose too much in crunch time scoring, good D at the 3. Just not a good idea.
What about moving Sullinger over to take Pierce's place in the starting line-up?
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Never in a million year never for a million dollars. Terrible terrible.
Al should NOT be on our radar. I love the kid, has a decent game, but he is just bad news waiting to happen. Every team he goes to starts becoming worse.
Utah improved
Year one they were under 500.
Year two they were over 500.
This year, they are one game under 500, but it is way to early to call it.
In 09-10 the Jazz were 53 - 29 and lost in the WCsemis.
They traded for Jefferson.
In 09-10 the Jazz were 39 - 43 and missed the playoffs for the first time after four straight appearances and after 24 out of 27 straight season playoff appearances.
In 10 - 11 the barely improved, made the playoffs, but got ousted in the first round by sweep. The Jazz were a much better team before Jefferson came to town.
The Celtics were terrible with him (in heavy rebuilding mode), the Twolves were terrible with him (again in heavy rebuilding mode) and the Jazz got terrible with him when he was supposed to put them over the top. Jefferson is a classic example of talented player putting up great numbers on subpar teams that cant win.
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don't think pierce makes sense for the jazz
wait january 15th
then a deal that makes sense might be
c's get
big al
cavs get
jeff green
joseph
jazz get
courntey lee
jared
and fab
money adds up, even with lee and green being byc guys
jazz get to be under the cap and pick up a pretty good hall
cavs get another rebuilding piece they can incoprate this year plus they still have max room next summer for a free agent
c's get a another scorer, which they need to take the load off paul, plus al is expring so if he doesn't work out u have max room to get someone (josh smith, hey even dwight is a free agent :P)
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don't think pierce makes sense for the jazz
wait january 15th
then a deal that makes sense might be
c's get
big al
cavs get
jeff green
joseph
jazz get
courntey lee
jared
and fab
money adds up, even with lee and green being byc guys
jazz get to be under the cap and pick up a pretty good hall
cavs get another rebuilding piece they can incoprate this year plus they still have max room next summer for a free agent
c's get a another scorer, which they need to take the load off paul, plus al is expring so if he doesn't work out u have max room to get someone (josh smith, hey even dwight is a free agent :P)
Good Lord, We are Giving up 5 players, including JG and Lee and all three rookies for Al Jefferson and nothing else?
No thanks
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Here's another NO to add to the list.
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Utah should be asking for Pierce, a young player like Bradley or Sullinger, and a first round pick.
No way.
Jefferson is a redundant piece in that Jazz squad. They have Millsap, Favors and Kanter to go with.
Honestly, a veteran scorer like Pierce is definitely enough for them to pull the trigger.
Add in Bradley and they'll have your statue erect in their court.
Even if Jefferson is a redundant piece, that doesn't mean Utah should just give him away. They definitely should be asking for a young player and a draft pick, plus trade ballast who don't represent long-term salary commitments.
I suggest that a reasonable strategy for Utah is to try to trade one of Milsap/Jefferson for cheap talent (draft picks and/or players on a rookie scale contract) and try to re-sign the other in the off-season, while keeping open the option of a big free agent signing. Utah should absolutely reject any combination of Green/Bass/Lee/Terry in a trade if that is their plan. So, to make a trade with Utah, you either need to find a third team to take on a pupu platter of mid-level guys in exchange for an expiring contract or you need to move Pierce and his partially guaranteed contract. Utah would then either waive (or buy out Pierce) or move him in another trade.
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don't think pierce makes sense for the jazz
wait january 15th
then a deal that makes sense might be
c's get
big al
cavs get
jeff green
joseph
jazz get
courntey lee
jared
and fab
money adds up, even with lee and green being byc guys
jazz get to be under the cap and pick up a pretty good hall
cavs get another rebuilding piece they can incoprate this year plus they still have max room next summer for a free agent
c's get a another scorer, which they need to take the load off paul, plus al is expring so if he doesn't work out u have max room to get someone (josh smith, hey even dwight is a free agent :P)
Good Lord, We are Giving up 5 players, including JG and Lee and all three rookies for Al Jefferson and nothing else?
No thanks
you can sign free agents to replace those rooks, one of those being kris joseph the 50 something pick in the draft, who has as much chance of turning out as i becoming the next c's head coach
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Never.
Jefferson is a horrifically overrated player who cannot defend, and I have zero interest in him at his current contract price, which is ridiculous.
Horrible trade.
Gotta co sign this.
Al Jefferson is garbage and we were garbage when he was here. Minnesotta was garbage when he was there, and id currently prefer his backup derrick favors
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These trade ideas are starting to make me sick.
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These trade ideas are starting to make me sick.
agree ........never the Capt. , bench him , retire him , make him a asst. coach, whatever , but don't turn him loose to the LA LAKERS ....becasue that is EXACTLY where he would land. I'd vomit.
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No in 99%, but a 3-team trade would be good if we somehow got both Tayshaun Prince and AJ
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don't think pierce makes sense for the jazz
wait january 15th
then a deal that makes sense might be
c's get
big al
cavs get
jeff green
joseph
jazz get
courntey lee
jared
and fab
money adds up, even with lee and green being byc guys
jazz get to be under the cap and pick up a pretty good hall
cavs get another rebuilding piece they can incoprate this year plus they still have max room next summer for a free agent
c's get a another scorer, which they need to take the load off paul, plus al is expring so if he doesn't work out u have max room to get someone (josh smith, hey even dwight is a free agent :P)
Good Lord, We are Giving up 5 players, including JG and Lee and all three rookies for Al Jefferson and nothing else?
No thanks
you can sign free agents to replace those rooks, one of those being kris joseph the 50 something pick in the draft, who has as much chance of turning out as i becoming the next c's head coach
soooo... we just give the cavs jeff green? and sprinkle in a little joseph...for nothing?
im confused.
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Utah should be asking for Pierce, a young player like Bradley or Sullinger, and a first round pick.
No way.
Jefferson is a redundant piece in that Jazz squad. They have Millsap, Favors and Kanter to go with.
Honestly, a veteran scorer like Pierce is definitely enough for them to pull the trigger.
Add in Bradley and they'll have your statue erect in their court.
Even if Jefferson is a redundant piece, that doesn't mean Utah should just give him away. They definitely should be asking for a young player and a draft pick, plus trade ballast who don't represent long-term salary commitments.
I suggest that a reasonable strategy for Utah is to try to trade one of Milsap/Jefferson for cheap talent (draft picks and/or players on a rookie scale contract) and try to re-sign the other in the off-season, while keeping open the option of a big free agent signing. Utah should absolutely reject any combination of Green/Bass/Lee/Terry in a trade if that is their plan. So, to make a trade with Utah, you either need to find a third team to take on a pupu platter of mid-level guys in exchange for an expiring contract or you need to move Pierce and his partially guaranteed contract. Utah would then either waive (or buy out Pierce) or move him in another trade.
Well, I looked at it from the Celtics' perspective. It's, just as you said, not like Utah is going to re-sign both Jefferson and Millsap for future, so, they'll most likely be looking forward to move one of them.
Obviously, they're not going to give away that one for trash, but I'd be reluctant to give them a best-case offer initially.
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Short answer: NO.
Short rationale: Paulie Pancakes needs to stay a career-Celtic. It is part of his identity as a player and he's smart enough and sentimental enough himself to not only know that, but to VALUE that.
Longer answer with no rationale:
#1. I'd have Al Jeff back any day of the week as long as we're not losing PP, KG, Rondo, or Sullinger. Rondo and Sullinger are the only 2 (aside from Bradley but he's my chip here) AlJeff would be playing with in 3 years.
#2. Also, the only way I'd want AlJeff back is if he got to play with KG. The narrative element of those 2 coming together after Al being traded for KG which delivered us 2008 would be too much for me to bear as a fan. I'd be crying with joy every game.
#3. More importantly, AlJeff getting to play with KG is his only chance of living up to his potential. He needs to learn every sort of defense and KG is the only one that will be able to hold him accountable to the point of educating, not berating or scolding. If KG can't do it, no one can.
#4. Sullinger is NEVER going to play the 3. Unless he loses 20 pounds and keeps shooting that 18 footer from the top of the key AND gets quick enough to drive on anyone when he's +8 feet out.
#5. Jefferson is, in deed redundant in the Jazz lineup BUT he is still a valued piece of their offense, and frankly, how could he not be. He is the only low-post slow down scorer in the NBA. Other than being a black hole, he is the only "slow-down" player in the NBA besides every PG trying to eat up clock or Paul Pierce simply because he's old. I love the idea of clock management while scoring in the paint and potentially getting opponents in foul trouble.
#6. I think that's enough points for now. So I'll propose Big Al for Little Jeff Green, Avery B, and picks. OR Al Jeff for Jeff Green and Courtney Lee. + pick? Who knows.
#7. If Big Al comes back to Boston I will try my hardest to change my name to Ras Johan the Green Lion and make the sickest dub song you ever heard.
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Not when you can give them AB or CLee...
Edit: would do AB plus Jeff Green.
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I'd sooner trade Pierce for Pau - Pau can actually play a bit of defense at the 5 spot in addition to scoring/rebounding.
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guess people don't understand the cba
jefferson contract is for $15 mill, you need $9.9 mill to make a trade work
however
there is this thing called BYC, under BYC players who recieved more than 20% raises over there previous salaries, for trade purposes half there salary counts or there previous salary whatever is bigger
green and lee are BYC players, for trade purposes there salaries become 4.45 (what green made last time he played) and 2.5 million (0.5 of courntey current contract) therefore to get 9.9, even if you trade both green and lee and add sully and melo you get to about 9.5 mill, still short of 9.9 mill, therefore you still need to add collins or joseph or something.
So therefore to get al and not trade paul, you need about 5 players going out at least
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guess people don't understand the cba
jefferson contract is for $15 mill, you need $9.9 mill to make a trade work
however
there is this thing called BYC, under BYC players who recieved more than 20% raises over there previous salaries, for trade purposes half there salary counts or there previous salary whatever is bigger
green and lee are BYC players, for trade purposes there salaries become 4.45 (what green made last time he played) and 2.5 million (0.5 of courntey current contract) therefore to get 9.9, even if you trade both green and lee and add sully and melo you get to about 9.5 mill, still short of 9.9 mill, therefore you still need to add collins or joseph or something.
So therefore to get al and not trade paul, you need about 5 players going out at least
Understand the CBA and was throwing ideas around simply to say there's ALWAYS a way to make it work. Also, would have no problem throwing around Collins or Joseph for Big Al.
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guess people don't understand the cba
jefferson contract is for $15 mill, you need $9.9 mill to make a trade work
With the hard cap due to using the full MLE, the Celtics probably need to send out something more like $14m.
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I'd sooner trade Pierce for Pau - Pau can actually play a bit of defense at the 5 spot in addition to scoring/rebounding.
Might as well, if your gonna screw up , get something for it.. :
LA is where Pierce would land no doubt comming off the bench helping LA win couple more championships. He is from LA , nice weather and he would be going home playing for more rings . I'm sure that is his plan if BOSTON trades him or hangs him out to dry...he an't gonna play on UTAH , MINN, PHIL , INDY or any other third world NBA team.
Best thing for my all out mental health , is for PP to stay in Boston till he retires .
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I like Jeffrson, but I would prefer the team go after Smith, Milsap, or Gortat. Pierce is obviously a definitive Celtic, but his game and lack of athleticism can be painful to watch at times. To me, with Pierce its either feast or famine. Usually you get that spectrum of play within a single game. Having said all that, trading Pierce could be potentially devastating to the teams chemistry; therefore, the only potentially attainable player I would trade Pierce for would be Rudy Gay. The way the Grizz are playing now, I doubt they would trade him. But, if they stumble, I could see them wanting to reduce payroll and let Gay go. If Gay does become available, it would be worth the risk to trade pierce. Gay is a star player that can do it all. Plus, he is one of the few players that challenges Lebron on both ends of the floor.
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I think I would. I think Jeff green can start. If we could resign Big Al for a reasonable contract, it might work out for us. Paul only has a year or two left in him anyways.
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I wouldn't do it.
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nope. not in a million years.
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Never
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Not just a no, but a HELL NO.