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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: chambers on November 12, 2012, 06:33:37 AM
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Signed for 4 years. Phil was number one choice but wanted too much money.
http://twitter.com/Mike_Bresnahan/status/267895361044090880
Great news if you ask me.
D'antoni teams are just horrid defensively.
Lakers are going to try and outscore every team they play and hope that Howard can make up for Gasol's horrid interior defending and Nash's even worse defense.
I seriously believe this is one of the best outcomes for us Celtics fans considering the personnel they acquired.
Thoughts?
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still can't believe the Lakers bungled this.
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I think it was a good move for L.A. long term. I think D'Antoni will be around for a while and will make players want to play there. Howard seems more likely to stay for an offense like that. I think Bryant and Gasol can still thrive in a high octane offense, it will maximize Nash's skills and once Howard regains his explosiveness they could be scary. I'm interested to see how a team with size plays in D'Antoni's offense.
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I think D'antoni's system with a dominant defensive big can still be very effective. I think its a great hire for them.
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Probably the better move. Guess we'll get to see for realisies if D'Antoni's system can work.
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I am not sure if there is a max-out point for an offense, but this team will probably reach it. In that case, it was a mistake not to bring in a more defensive-minded coach.
But, they could be like the Warner/Faulk Rams or the 2007 Patriots and just go nuts on everybody. Howard has had to hold down the defense before and on much worse offensive teams.
I wish they would have just kept Brown.
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Probably the better move. Guess we'll get to see for realisies if D'Antoni's system can work.
Honestly its gonna be tough rooting against the lakers if they fully implement a phoenix suns type system with Nash and D'antoni. I will still root against them but I will enjoy watching them play if that makes sense.
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With the Lakers' huge local TV deal (20 years/$3 billion), them complaining about money is like Obama complaining about not winning North Carolina.
However, paying a coach $12m a year when you can get one who fits well with your personnel for a quarter of that cost, might not be a bad idea, especially if you're facing a luxtax bill in 2014 of $85m or more.
The Lakers take in over $240 million in revenue yearly. This year, they will have a payroll in excess of $100m, a tax bill of $30m, and revenue sharing of $19m. They'll make a lot of money this year, but next season, those figures go up to $100m, $85m and $20m, they will have "only" $45m left to pay other expenses, like travel, front office, etc. Spending almost $10m of that on a coach apparently wasn't palatable to the younger Buss.
I would have spent the money on the sure thing and hired Jackson, figuring that Kobe's window is closing and the Lakers desperately want to catch the Celtics in total titles. However, the Buss children are operating with some sense of fiscal responsibility, last year moving Odom and now eschewing the big money Jackson was demanding for a cheaper alternative.
Last year's move didn't add up to more success on the court, and I suspect that neither will this year's bargain move.
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Terrible move.
If you can get Jackson back who has lead this team to multiple titles with an offense that Kobe and Gasol fit great in, you get him.
The team had the chance to bring back the 2nd best coach of all time and went for the coach of playoff disappointment.
As a Celtic's fan, I love it.
An offense that made Melo angry should be great for Kobe.
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Probably the better move. Guess we'll get to see for realisies if D'Antoni's system can work.
Honestly its gonna be tough rooting against the lakers if they fully implement a phoenix suns type system with Nash and D'antoni. I will still root against them but I will enjoy watching them play if that makes sense.
Depth is still a huge issue though. Nobody on their bench is even above average for the position.
They should move Gasol at this point. Utah seems ideal but Utah is rebuilding. Houston doesn't have the pieces. Denver or Phoenix are big possibilities.
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Probably the better move. Guess we'll get to see for realisies if D'Antoni's system can work.
Honestly its gonna be tough rooting against the lakers if they fully implement a phoenix suns type system with Nash and D'antoni. I will still root against them but I will enjoy watching them play if that makes sense.
Depth is still a huge issue though. Nobody on their bench is even above average for the position.
They should move Gasol at this point. Utah seems ideal but Utah is rebuilding. Houston doesn't have the pieces. Denver or Phoenix are big possibilities.
Gasol for Amare?
Makes sense (if the Lakers put on the injury blinders)
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Big winner Antwan Jamison.
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Big winner Antwan Jamison.
ooohhh hope so, I got him on a fantasy team
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Big Winner: The Miami Heat
No way dantoni is a championship coach, he may get them there, they may be awfully entertaining but mike brown was a better playoff coach, sorry.
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Lakers got lucky here. D'Antoni is a better fit for that roster than Jackson, particularly given Jackson's health and the lack of cohesion that would lead to.
It will be interesting to see what they end up doing with Gasol, who is an OK fit in D'Antoni's system, but not excellent, but could give them the pieces to build a great running team.
At the very least, they are going to be fun to watch.
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Woo Hoo ... ;D
Don't think money was the issue.
Jackson wanted to skip some away games , practices , wanted part ownership of Lakers. He wanted all the GLORY and NON OF THE WORK.
Jackson is a nutty as the divas he coachs.
Jackson is old and frail and who as a n owner wants a coach that doesn't SHOW UP for games or practice. That is just BAD FORM for a professional orgnaization...and besides the TV people are PAYING for Jackson to be seen on TV ;D
Kobe would have played for JAckso so hard they would have carried him off on strecher...
All the lakers MEDIA LOVERS of the Lakers are crying and moaning..... HEE HEE HEE HEE
Love the D 'antoni pick !!!!!! They SHOULD have kept MIKE BROWN !!!
The Lakers fans will be calling for his HEAD by March , if not sooner.
Whew , dodged a bullet.... One day the Lakers will go for the Grizzles or Hornets coach and it will be all she wrote for the Celtics., but until then enjoy the LAKERS in D'antoni land.
Nash and Kobe will be worn to a frazzle, and will probally get hurt from TOO many minutes .. They are too old to play in the offesive style D'antoni best likes. LA is too old and TOO thin on the bench with "GOOD" shooters to play D'antoni's style.
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Glad it's not Phil Jackson. This will be interesting. D'antoni will at least use Nash properly.
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Other than Nash/Howard, I don't think they have anybody that fits D'Antoni's spread & shred SSOL offense.
Kobe and Artest are mediocre 3-point shooters, Pau's not a shooter and certainly not the ideal 4 for D'Antoni's offense. Little to no team speed with the starters or off the bench.
I think D'Antoni will push for a trade to get some better fitting pieces around the Nash/Kobe/Howard trio. I think Pau's days as a Laker are numbered.
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Interesting move by the Lake show. Ive never enjoyed Mike D'Antoni's style. It just seems to fall apart in the playoffs. Nash and Howard will benefit if they both get healthy but if not who knows. Anyway
Bass, Bradley, Darko, 2 first rounders gets us Gasol at the deadline? Me thinks not but he would be a great addition alongside KG in the frontcourt.
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Well, I am no longer that worried about LA winning a title this year. D'Antoni is the ultimate regular season coach because his complete lack of interest in defense always kills him in the playoffs. Even with his perfect team (the 8 seconds or less Suns), he couldn't win...though I think they were robbed with those suspensions after Horry's cross-check on Nash.
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Interesting move by the Lake show. Ive never enjoyed Mike D'Antoni's style. It just seems to fall apart in the playoffs. Nash and Howard will benefit if they both get healthy but if not who knows. Anyway
Bass, Bradley, Darko, 2 first rounders gets us Gasol at the deadline? Me thinks not but he would be a great addition alongside KG in the frontcourt.
Was just thinking that Pau doesn't really fit with Mike D and that personnel. I could see him being moved for a more athletic 3 man and a stretch four.
Bass, Green and filler? Doubtful LA ever makes that kind of trade with us.
Granger and David West? Maybe.
Amare? Doubtful. Bad fit with Dwight.
Three Team Deal - Green to NO. Bass, Anderson, and Lee to LA. Jamison and Gasol to BOS.
Bargnani and Derozan? Maybe...
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I just want to throw one thing out there. I don't buy this suggestion that D'Antoni's system "falls apart in the playoffs". I think its the other way around. It lifts teams in the regular season.
Basically, D'Antoni's system (along with Nash to run it) was effective in making pretty mediocre teams, REALLY good, especially in the regular season.
Look at their 2006-07 team, which won 61 games (a high for D'Antoni). They were built around Nash, Amare, and Marion. Good, but not great players. Then they had Barbosa, Bell, and Diaw. That's not spectacular talent. Honestly, they may have even been overachieving to make it to the second round in the West that year (Beating the Lakers, and then taking the eventual champion Spurs to 6).
I think D'Antoni's system is no different than Sloan's, or Jim O'Brien's, or any other coach that thrives at getting teams to play above their head. And for all of these guys, the question is, is the system holding them back from winning championships, or is their lack of talent holding them back from winning championships, and their systems are just putting teams in contention that really have no business being there?
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So happy D'Antoni is coaching and not Phil Jackson
Always thought D'Antoni was a terrible coach. I like Mike Brown even a lot more than him.
Confused why they would bring him aboard just because he had a few good seasons with Nash
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Great news for the Lakers and terrible news for Celtic fans.
Kobe, Dwight, Pau and Nash in D'Antoni's free-flowing offense is just a frightening... FRIGHTENING thought. They'll probably drop 180 points a night. Yes, their defense might suffer a little, but having the best defensive player in the league cleaning up the middle certainly helps. Don't underestimate Pau Gasol's defense either. The "no defense" thing is overblown. D'Antoni has never had a guy like Dwight on his team. There's only so much defense you could get out of Amare or David Lee in the middle.
Meanwhile... you so-called Celtic fans disappoint me with your Phil drooling. Have we forgotten who PhiL Jackson is? He's the luckiest and most overrated coach in the history of basketball. How hard is it to win titles with Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen? How hard is it to win titles with Kobe and Shaq? How hard is it to win titles with Kobe, Pau, etc in their prime? He deserves a little credit, but just a little. It delights me that Phil is "stunned" by this decision. I'd LOVE to see Phil try to coach a mediocre crew of talent like this Celtics team or a team like the Knicks. The guy is a fraud. The "Zen Master" thing is razzle dazzle. Even his famous "triangle" offense isn't even his own. Gotta hand it to the Lakers for recognizing this about Phil. The guy was just looking for another major payday and some more coattails to ride to a title. He didn't even want to travel with the team to away games. Are you kidding me? Had Brooklyn landed Dwight HOward along with Deron Williams... you'd be seeing Phil coaching Brooklyn right now. The guy follows superstars and gets way too much credit for their success. He probably sat at home crying that Miami won a title... because it eliminated his shot of getting hired by the Heat and riding LeBron to another dynasty.
The D'antoni signing is scary. This is a worse case scenario if you ask me. Here comes Showtime 4G.
Last note: The Triangle would have really limited Nash and favored Pau/Kobe. By limiting Nash, you're limiting Dwight. By limiting Dwight, you're potentially allowing for the slimmest of possibilities that the Lakers fail this year and Dwight bails in the offseason (along with Chris Paul) to the Mavericks. Bringing in Mike D means that Dwight is going to spend a season getting constant alley oops playing in a free-flowing blasty blast of an offense. Even if they could have potentially been "more successful" with Phil, that guy was only signing a 2 year contract at most. This is probably just as much about keeping Dwight in Laker gold as anything.
Terrible, Terrible news.
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I think D'Antoni is a middle of the pack coach. This was a wasted opportunity for LA. There was a lot of high quality coaching talent available and they spurned them all in order to get a midlevel coach in D'Antoni.
I think D'Antoni is someone who can add extra value to a team when he has the right type of talent to fit his system which LA currently doesn't have. If they make changes to their roster (trading Pau, changing their bench), I may reconsider, but for now I think this is a so-so hiring and a wasted opportunity.
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Great news for the Lakers and terrible news for Celtic fans.
Kobe, Dwight, Pau and Nash in D'Antoni's free-flowing offense is just a frightening... FRIGHTENING thought. They'll probably drop 180 points a night. Yes, their defense might suffer a little, but having the best defensive player in the league cleaning up the middle certainly helps. Don't underestimate Pau Gasol's defense either. The "no defense" thing is overblown. D'Antoni has never had a guy like Dwight on his team. There's only so much defense you could get out of Amare or David Lee in the middle.
Meanwhile... you so-called Celtic fans disappoint me with your Phil drooling. Have we forgotten who PhiL Jackson is? He's the luckiest and most overrated coach in the history of basketball. How hard is it to win titles with Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen? How hard is it to win titles with Kobe and Shaq? How hard is it to win titles with Kobe, Pau, etc in their prime? He deserves a little credit, but just a little. It delights me that Phil is "stunned" by this decision. I'd LOVE to see Phil try to coach a mediocre crew of talent like this Celtics team or a team like the Knicks. The guy is a fraud. The "Zen Master" thing is razzle dazzle. Even his famous "triangle" offense isn't even his own. Gotta hand it to the Lakers for recognizing this about Phil. The guy was just looking for another major payday and some more coattails to ride to a title. He didn't even want to travel with the team to away games. Are you kidding me? Had Brooklyn landed Dwight HOward along with Deron Williams... you'd be seeing Phil coaching Brooklyn right now. The guy follows superstars and gets way too much credit for their success. He probably sat at home crying that Miami won a title... because it eliminated his shot of getting hired by the Heat and riding LeBron to another dynasty.
The D'antoni signing is scary. This is a worse case scenario if you ask me. Here comes Showtime 4G.
Last note: The Triangle would have really limited Nash and favored Pau/Kobe. By limiting Nash, you're limiting Dwight. By limiting Dwight, you're potentially allowing for the slimmest of possibilities that the Lakers fail this year and Dwight bails in the offseason (along with Chris Paul) to the Mavericks. Bringing in Mike D means that Dwight is going to spend a season getting constant alley oops playing in a free-flowing blasty blast of an offense. Even if they could have potentially been "more successful" with Phil, that guy was only signing a 2 year contract at most. This is probably just as much about keeping Dwight in Laker gold as anything.
Terrible, Terrible news.
Agree with every word here. This LA crew was built for his style. Couldn't be a better fit, which sucks for the rest of us. If LA gets healthy, things could get ugly for many of us in Laker-hater nation.
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Great news for the Lakers and terrible news for Celtic fans.
Kobe, Dwight, Pau and Nash in D'Antoni's free-flowing offense is just a frightening... FRIGHTENING thought. They'll probably drop 180 points a night. Yes, their defense might suffer a little, but having the best defensive player in the league cleaning up the middle certainly helps. Don't underestimate Pau Gasol's defense either. The "no defense" thing is overblown. D'Antoni has never had a guy like Dwight on his team. There's only so much defense you could get out of Amare or David Lee in the middle.
Meanwhile... you so-called Celtic fans disappoint me with your Phil drooling. Have we forgotten who PhiL Jackson is? He's the luckiest and most overrated coach in the history of basketball. How hard is it to win titles with Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen? How hard is it to win titles with Kobe and Shaq? How hard is it to win titles with Kobe, Pau, etc in their prime? He deserves a little credit, but just a little. It delights me that Phil is "stunned" by this decision. I'd LOVE to see Phil try to coach a mediocre crew of talent like this Celtics team or a team like the Knicks. The guy is a fraud. The "Zen Master" thing is razzle dazzle. Even his famous "triangle" offense isn't even his own. Gotta hand it to the Lakers for recognizing this about Phil. The guy was just looking for another major payday and some more coattails to ride to a title. He didn't even want to travel with the team to away games. Are you kidding me? Had Brooklyn landed Dwight HOward along with Deron Williams... you'd be seeing Phil coaching Brooklyn right now. The guy follows superstars and gets way too much credit for their success. He probably sat at home crying that Miami won a title... because it eliminated his shot of getting hired by the Heat and riding LeBron to another dynasty.
The D'antoni signing is scary. This is a worse case scenario if you ask me. Here comes Showtime 4G.
Last note: The Triangle would have really limited Nash and favored Pau/Kobe. By limiting Nash, you're limiting Dwight. By limiting Dwight, you're potentially allowing for the slimmest of possibilities that the Lakers fail this year and Dwight bails in the offseason (along with Chris Paul) to the Mavericks. Bringing in Mike D means that Dwight is going to spend a season getting constant alley oops playing in a free-flowing blasty blast of an offense. Even if they could have potentially been "more successful" with Phil, that guy was only signing a 2 year contract at most. This is probably just as much about keeping Dwight in Laker gold as anything.
Terrible, Terrible news.
You can't really discredit Phil. I get what you're preaching but shaq and Kobe played together for three years without a title. Phil steps in and they win three and a row. I mean I don't think that's coincidence or luck. He never had a season at or below 500 and he has a 70% winning percentage. Like him or not, that's not all luck.
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The only team this era of celtics have swept in the playoffs were a team coached by mike dantoni...he was then replaced by MIKE WOODSON.
Mike Brown coached teams gave us fits in the plyoffs.
Phil Jackson coached teams beat us in a game 7 of the finals, albeit we beat him once.
anyone praising this move or thinking the pieces fit his system is seriously overrating mike dantoni and are very confused...and you actually make me laugh.
Ill be suprised if they make the finals with that clown.
Greg Popovich and even little Scottie Brooks are pointing and laughing somewhere
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I certainly hope Nash starts showing his age soon. That could help throw a monkey wrench in the works. I want to see Blake forced to get them into something in under 7 seconds.
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Great news for the Lakers and terrible news for Celtic fans.
Kobe, Dwight, Pau and Nash in D'Antoni's free-flowing offense is just a frightening... FRIGHTENING thought. They'll probably drop 180 points a night. Yes, their defense might suffer a little, but having the best defensive player in the league cleaning up the middle certainly helps. Don't underestimate Pau Gasol's defense either. The "no defense" thing is overblown. D'Antoni has never had a guy like Dwight on his team. There's only so much defense you could get out of Amare or David Lee in the middle.
Meanwhile... you so-called Celtic fans disappoint me with your Phil drooling. Have we forgotten who PhiL Jackson is? He's the luckiest and most overrated coach in the history of basketball. How hard is it to win titles with Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen? How hard is it to win titles with Kobe and Shaq? How hard is it to win titles with Kobe, Pau, etc in their prime? He deserves a little credit, but just a little. It delights me that Phil is "stunned" by this decision. I'd LOVE to see Phil try to coach a mediocre crew of talent like this Celtics team or a team like the Knicks. The guy is a fraud. The "Zen Master" thing is razzle dazzle. Even his famous "triangle" offense isn't even his own. Gotta hand it to the Lakers for recognizing this about Phil. The guy was just looking for another major payday and some more coattails to ride to a title. He didn't even want to travel with the team to away games. Are you kidding me? Had Brooklyn landed Dwight HOward along with Deron Williams... you'd be seeing Phil coaching Brooklyn right now. The guy follows superstars and gets way too much credit for their success. He probably sat at home crying that Miami won a title... because it eliminated his shot of getting hired by the Heat and riding LeBron to another dynasty.
The D'antoni signing is scary. This is a worse case scenario if you ask me. Here comes Showtime 4G.
Last note: The Triangle would have really limited Nash and favored Pau/Kobe. By limiting Nash, you're limiting Dwight. By limiting Dwight, you're potentially allowing for the slimmest of possibilities that the Lakers fail this year and Dwight bails in the offseason (along with Chris Paul) to the Mavericks. Bringing in Mike D means that Dwight is going to spend a season getting constant alley oops playing in a free-flowing blasty blast of an offense. Even if they could have potentially been "more successful" with Phil, that guy was only signing a 2 year contract at most. This is probably just as much about keeping Dwight in Laker gold as anything.
Terrible, Terrible news.
Greg popovich teams own dantoni coached teams, so ill be surprised if they make the finals. If they do a dantoni coached team will not beat lebron unless you were counting on the celtics making the finals otherwise I don't see why its such terrible news for us....the only team we've swept in the doc era was coached by Mike dantoni.
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Lakers are gonna kill NASH and Kobe with all those minutes and D antoni will be worse than Brown or Jackson. To keep his job he'll have to play Kobe into the ground. or get wins. ;D
OKC will literally run the Lakers into the ground in a series. (iF nash and Kobe even survive) .
I dispise Jackson , and believe he is somewaht overated, but the players really believe in him and he seems to get the most out of them without "PUSHING" their fragile ego's.
He is just an old tall gray man who is good at managing personalities....more than a X's and 0's basketball coach.
I'm hoping D'antoni has some success , so that he won't be replaced with Jackson before XMAS.
I still think Brown would have been as good as D'antoni in the long run. But LA is in a panic with Dwight unsigned long term and Kobe nearing retirement.
Go D' antoni !! ;D
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Offense really hasn't been the issue.
And if Kobe was unhappy before, welcome to the offense that Melo hated.
Defense will go down the tube because the coach doesn't believe in practicing it.
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Great news for the Lakers and terrible news for Celtic fans.
Kobe, Dwight, Pau and Nash in D'Antoni's free-flowing offense is just a frightening... FRIGHTENING thought. They'll probably drop 180 points a night. Yes, their defense might suffer a little, but having the best defensive player in the league cleaning up the middle certainly helps. Don't underestimate Pau Gasol's defense either. The "no defense" thing is overblown. D'Antoni has never had a guy like Dwight on his team. There's only so much defense you could get out of Amare or David Lee in the middle.
Meanwhile... you so-called Celtic fans disappoint me with your Phil drooling. Have we forgotten who PhiL Jackson is? He's the luckiest and most overrated coach in the history of basketball. How hard is it to win titles with Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen? How hard is it to win titles with Kobe and Shaq? How hard is it to win titles with Kobe, Pau, etc in their prime? He deserves a little credit, but just a little. It delights me that Phil is "stunned" by this decision. I'd LOVE to see Phil try to coach a mediocre crew of talent like this Celtics team or a team like the Knicks. The guy is a fraud. The "Zen Master" thing is razzle dazzle. Even his famous "triangle" offense isn't even his own. Gotta hand it to the Lakers for recognizing this about Phil. The guy was just looking for another major payday and some more coattails to ride to a title. He didn't even want to travel with the team to away games. Are you kidding me? Had Brooklyn landed Dwight HOward along with Deron Williams... you'd be seeing Phil coaching Brooklyn right now. The guy follows superstars and gets way too much credit for their success. He probably sat at home crying that Miami won a title... because it eliminated his shot of getting hired by the Heat and riding LeBron to another dynasty.
The D'antoni signing is scary. This is a worse case scenario if you ask me. Here comes Showtime 4G.
Last note: The Triangle would have really limited Nash and favored Pau/Kobe. By limiting Nash, you're limiting Dwight. By limiting Dwight, you're potentially allowing for the slimmest of possibilities that the Lakers fail this year and Dwight bails in the offseason (along with Chris Paul) to the Mavericks. Bringing in Mike D means that Dwight is going to spend a season getting constant alley oops playing in a free-flowing blasty blast of an offense. Even if they could have potentially been "more successful" with Phil, that guy was only signing a 2 year contract at most. This is probably just as much about keeping Dwight in Laker gold as anything.
Terrible, Terrible news.
You can't really discredit Phil. I get what you're preaching but shaq and Kobe played together for three years without a title. Phil steps in and they win three and a row. I mean I don't think that's coincidence or luck. He never had a season at or below 500 and he has a 70% winning percentage. Like him or not, that's not all luck.
I'll discredit him. Phil is overrated. #1 - Kobe wasn't even drinking age his first 3 years in the league. #2 - The first two years Kobe averaged about 10 points and Jordan was still destroying the league. In year 3 it was a lockout shortened season and they fired Del Harris after 12 games. Phil Jackson getting hired just so happened to coincide with Kobe turning into a 21 year old allstar and Shaq entering his prime (27 years old) as well as Jordan retiring.
Saying that Phil Jackson is responsible for that is like saying Mike Brown was responsible for the Cavs going from a 35 win team LeBron's rookie year to a 50 win contender in year 3.
I'm telling you the guy is lucky. His first year in Chicago just so happened to coincide with Scotty Pippen finally becoming a permanent starter (the Bulls hadn't even been a .500 team until Pippen arrived). People forget a JOrdan-less Bulls team won 55 games in 1994 with Pippen at the forefront. The guy was great.
Phil was still the Lakers coach in 2006-07 when they had Kobe and Lamar... they won 42 games. They add Pau Gasol and Bynum became a double-double guy the next year... they win 57 and make the finals. Was that Phil or was that about adding two of the best big men in the entire league?
OVERRATED.
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Melo hates any offense that doesn't allow him to dominate the ball. He is 1-8 in the playoffs as the leader of the Knicks.
Melo and Phil Jackson are both very overrated.
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Melo hates any offense that doesn't allow him to dominate the ball. He is 1-8 in the playoffs as the leader of the Knicks.
Melo and Phil Jackson are both very overrated.
What is Kobe's record in the playoffs without Jackson?
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Let the countdown till Pau is traded begin.
D'Antoni's system features an extremely ball-dominant PG, speed and quickness at every position, and high-level 3-point shooting at positions 1-4 (if not 1-5).
He just took over a roster that's a pathetic 33% from 3 for the 2nd year in a row and features two of the slowest players at their positions in the NBA (MWP at 3 and Pau at the 4).
Either the roster changes, or the coaching will (again).
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Let the countdown till Pau is traded begin.
D'Antoni's system features an extremely ball-dominant PG, speed and quickness at every position, and high-level 3-point shooting at positions 1-4 (if not 1-5).
He just took over a roster that's a pathetic 33% from 3 for the 2nd year in a row and features two of the slowest players at their positions in the NBA (MWP at 3 and Pau at the 4).
Either the roster changes, or the coaching will (again).
Pau for Josh Smith?
If that happens, we should try hard to be a 3rd team in the trade and get Pau to Boston. He'd solve our biggest issues.
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I can't decide what the most entertaining thing about this story is - the outrage of my Knicks friends that D'Antoni has landed another high profile gig so soon, Lakers interviewed Dunleavy!, smug Jackson being stunned as he prepared to return, them dumping Mr.Potato Head for Pringles, imagining D'Antoni and Nash trying to recreate their Phoenix glory with Kobe's ballhogging in the way - oh so many goodies I can't make up my mind.
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According to Woj it was Jackson's Greed and Ego that cost him the chance at the job.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--lakers-resist-phil-jackson-s-power-grab-11051709.html
Jackson wanted to humiliate Lakers vice president Jim Buss far more than he wanted to coach the team. He wanted significant allowances on travel, coaching duties and an ability to veto player personnel moves that didn't fit his vision. With an unprecedented 11 coaching championships, Jackson had every right to make unprecedented demands. He doesn't have the right to be surprised when the Lakers rejected them and hired a pliable, cheaper coach in Mike D'Antoni.
Now, the Lakers are going out of their way to spare Jackson the embarrassment of his overreaching, but this is pointless spin. They're working with him to sell the public that he hadn't asked for too much, that somehow the franchise chose D'Antoni over Jackson on sheer merit. It's noble, but laughable. Jackson heard those chants in the Staples Center and never believed the Lakers had the guts to call his bluff before circling back to him on Monday.
If Jackson was ever to return to coaching to chase a championship in a preferred locale, this job offered him the opportunity. His instincts were wrong on how to play these negotiations and it blew up on him. The Lakers could live with making Jackson the highest-paid coach in the NBA again, but Jackson had to come back in full, and the Lakers were wise to have uncertainties.
Jackson listened to Kobe Bryant gush and gush about him on Friday night, and believed the strongest voice in the locker room would accept only his return the bench. It was a mistake. Bryant preferred Jackson, but he has a history with D'Antoni back to his childhood growing up in Italy and across several years of USA Basketball. Bryant and D'Antoni have a relationship, a trust, and that's somewhere to start once they're thrust together.
Jackson had his chance, and the strangest thing happened: The greatest coach in history overreached, misread the circumstances and had someone tell him "no" on Sunday night. The Lakers never picked Mike D'Antoni over Jackson. They picked him over desperation for Jackson. Maybe the Busses will regret the choice, but if Jackson truly wanted to coach again, no one will ever regret this more than him. These are still the Lakers, and nowhere else in basketball does this opportunity at this moment in time come along – even for Phil Jackson.
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Let the countdown till Pau is traded begin.
D'Antoni's system features an extremely ball-dominant PG, speed and quickness at every position, and high-level 3-point shooting at positions 1-4 (if not 1-5).
He just took over a roster that's a pathetic 33% from 3 for the 2nd year in a row and features two of the slowest players at their positions in the NBA (MWP at 3 and Pau at the 4).
Either the roster changes, or the coaching will (again).
Pau for Josh Smith?
If that happens, we should try hard to be a 3rd team in the trade and get Pau to Boston. He'd solve our biggest issues.
What is the motivation for Atlanta? Aren't they in rebuild mode? What would they want from us for basically Josh Smith? Lakers don't have picks or prospects to add to a deal. We would likely need a fourth team. For salaries it would need to be like Green, Bass/Lee, and young players like Bradley, Fab Melo, and Sullinger.
However assuming we don't give up the big three or Jet then Pau, KG, Pierce, Jet, and Rondo is absolutely deadly.
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Let the countdown till Pau is traded begin.
D'Antoni's system features an extremely ball-dominant PG, speed and quickness at every position, and high-level 3-point shooting at positions 1-4 (if not 1-5).
He just took over a roster that's a pathetic 33% from 3 for the 2nd year in a row and features two of the slowest players at their positions in the NBA (MWP at 3 and Pau at the 4).
Either the roster changes, or the coaching will (again).
Pau for Josh Smith?
If that happens, we should try hard to be a 3rd team in the trade and get Pau to Boston. He'd solve our biggest issues.
What is the motivation for Atlanta? Aren't they in rebuild mode? What would they want from us for basically Josh Smith? Lakers don't have picks or prospects to add to a deal. We would likely need a fourth team. For salaries it would need to be like Green, Bass/Lee, and young players like Bradley, Fab Melo, and Sullinger.
However assuming we don't give up the big three or Jet then Pau, KG, Pierce, Jet, and Rondo is absolutely deadly.
Atlanta isn't in rebuild mode. They are trying to reload on the fly, and Gasol is about as perfect a fit of a player next to Horford as their is in this league.
Now, Gasol has fallen off a bit, but he still seems to have enough in the tank to give them another couple years of All-Star caliber play.
But here is the key for Atlanta. Do they still think there is a chance they can get Howard and Paul this summer? If so, they don't do it. If they decide thats not happening, I don't think there is any better deal for Smith out there.
A frontcourt of Horford and Gasol would put them in the running in the East for at least the next 2 seasons.
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Great for Dwight fantasy owners.
<------ this guy.
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IMO tied for the worst coaches in the league: Mike D'antoni and Mike Brown...lovin' what the LAL are doing right now xD
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If Phil Jackson is overrated, fine. Hes still better then the laughable Mike dantoni.....who was just run out of Ny for Mike woodson HAHAHAHA who was run out of Atlanta for Larry drew.you get the point. Mike dantoni couldn't coach himself out of a paperbag in the playoffs nevermind outcoach popovich...have fun looking sexy in the regular season
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All about getting TV subscriptions and ratings for their shiny new deal.
D'Antoni means entertainment value.
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Let the countdown till Pau is traded begin.
D'Antoni's system features an extremely ball-dominant PG, speed and quickness at every position, and high-level 3-point shooting at positions 1-4 (if not 1-5).
He just took over a roster that's a pathetic 33% from 3 for the 2nd year in a row and features two of the slowest players at their positions in the NBA (MWP at 3 and Pau at the 4).
Either the roster changes, or the coaching will (again).
Pau for Josh Smith?
If that happens, we should try hard to be a 3rd team in the trade and get Pau to Boston. He'd solve our biggest issues.
What is the motivation for Atlanta? Aren't they in rebuild mode? What would they want from us for basically Josh Smith? Lakers don't have picks or prospects to add to a deal. We would likely need a fourth team. For salaries it would need to be like Green, Bass/Lee, and young players like Bradley, Fab Melo, and Sullinger.
However assuming we don't give up the big three or Jet then Pau, KG, Pierce, Jet, and Rondo is absolutely deadly.
Atlanta isn't in rebuild mode. They are trying to reload on the fly, and Gasol is about as perfect a fit of a player next to Horford as their is in this league.
Now, Gasol has fallen off a bit, but he still seems to have enough in the tank to give them another couple years of All-Star caliber play.
But here is the key for Atlanta. Do they still think there is a chance they can get Howard and Paul this summer? If so, they don't do it. If they decide thats not happening, I don't think there is any better deal for Smith out there.
A frontcourt of Horford and Gasol would put them in the running in the East for at least the next 2 seasons.
LA Trades: Pau Gasol
LA Receives: Ersan Ilyasova, M Dunleavy, D. Cook, C. Aldrich, T. Douglas, G Smith, Houston 1st
Milwaukee Trades: Ersan Ilyasova
Milwaukee Receives: Royce White, Terrance Jones, Marcus Morris, Donatas Motiejunas
Houston Trades: White, Jones, Cook, Aldrich, Douglas, G Smith, Morris, Motiejunas, 1st
Houston Receives: Pau Gasol
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a59qrlb
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LA Trades: Pau Gasol
LA Receives: Ersan Ilyasova, M Dunleavy, D. Cook, C. Aldrich, T. Douglas, G Smith, Houston 1st
Milwaukee Trades: Ersan Ilyasova
Milwaukee Receives: Royce White, Terrance Jones, Marcus Morris, Donatas Motiejunas
Houston Trades: White, Jones, Cook, Aldrich, Douglas, G Smith, Morris, Motiejunas, 1st
Houston Receives: Pau Gasol
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a59qrlb
Not enough for LA in return for Pau Gasol. Not worthwhile.
Milwaukee receiving far too much for Ilyasova. He is nowhere near that valuable.
Somewhat interesting for Houston. Not sure they are close enough to title-contention to go all in for Pau Gasol. Can they get a good enough supporting cast around Pau and Harden quickly enough to make it in their interests? Or are they better off waiting for a younger 2nd star to couple with Harden now that they have something to work with in Harden; someone to build around long term.
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Great for Dwight fantasy owners.
<------ this guy.
Same here. This is great news. I'm pulling all my trades that had me shipping Dwight out. He's going to have a huge season.
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I've always assumed that some form of Pau Gasol for Kevin Love was as likely as any Gasol trade.
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I've always assumed that some form of Pau Gasol for Kevin Love was as likely as any Gasol trade.
I don't think Pau has anything close to Love's trade value at the moment.
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I've always assumed that some form of Pau Gasol for Kevin Love was as likely as any Gasol trade.
That would never go over in Minnesota. A few years down the line if Love demands out, maybe, but not now.
With that said, Minnesota is a very interesting trade partner for the Lakers. I am sure they would still love Gasol (although Pekovic definitely makes him less important), and they could put together an interesting package based around Derek Williams and Kirilenko...two guys who would be very interesting fits in D'Antoni's system.
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I've always assumed that some form of Pau Gasol for Kevin Love was as likely as any Gasol trade.
That would never go over in Minnesota. A few years down the line if Love demands out, maybe, but not now.
With that said, Minnesota is a very interesting trade partner for the Lakers. I am sure they would still love Gasol (although Pekovic definitely makes him less important), and they could put together an interesting package based around Derek Williams and Kirilenko...two guys who would be very interesting fits in D'Antoni's system.
I would love to see Kirilenko play for Mike D'Antoni. Absolutely love it. What a perfect match.
D'Antoni would play Kirilenko at his best position as an undersized quick power forward. He'll give him freedom offensively and put in positions to take advantage of his passing, ball-handling and slashing skills. That would be a sight to see ...
And Kirilenko (disruptive quick PF)alongside Dwight Howard (center) too. Exceptional defensive chemistry and backbone to a team's help defense.
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I've always assumed that some form of Pau Gasol for Kevin Love was as likely as any Gasol trade.
That would never go over in Minnesota. A few years down the line if Love demands out, maybe, but not now.
With that said, Minnesota is a very interesting trade partner for the Lakers. I am sure they would still love Gasol (although Pekovic definitely makes him less important), and they could put together an interesting package based around Derek Williams and Kirilenko...two guys who would be very interesting fits in D'Antoni's system.
I would love to see Kirilenko play for Mike D'Antoni. Absolutely love it. What a perfect match.
D'Antoni would play Kirilenko at his best position as an undersized quick power forward. He'll give him freedom offensively and put in positions to take advantage of his passing, ball-handling and slashing skills. That would be a sight to see ...
And Kirilenko (disruptive quick PF)alongside Dwight Howard (center) too. Exceptional defensive chemistry and backbone to a team's help defense.
As a basketball fan, sure! But aren't we celtics fans first? Not sure why we are rooting for perfect matches for dantonis system, which offensively could get the best out of a lot of players even some on the celtics roster.
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Let the countdown till Pau is traded begin.
D'Antoni's system features an extremely ball-dominant PG, speed and quickness at every position, and high-level 3-point shooting at positions 1-4 (if not 1-5).
He just took over a roster that's a pathetic 33% from 3 for the 2nd year in a row and features two of the slowest players at their positions in the NBA (MWP at 3 and Pau at the 4).
Either the roster changes, or the coaching will (again).
Pau for Josh Smith?
If that happens, we should try hard to be a 3rd team in the trade and get Pau to Boston. He'd solve our biggest issues.
What is the motivation for Atlanta? Aren't they in rebuild mode? What would they want from us for basically Josh Smith? Lakers don't have picks or prospects to add to a deal. We would likely need a fourth team. For salaries it would need to be like Green, Bass/Lee, and young players like Bradley, Fab Melo, and Sullinger.
However assuming we don't give up the big three or Jet then Pau, KG, Pierce, Jet, and Rondo is absolutely deadly.
Atlanta isn't in rebuild mode. They are trying to reload on the fly, and Gasol is about as perfect a fit of a player next to Horford as their is in this league.
Now, Gasol has fallen off a bit, but he still seems to have enough in the tank to give them another couple years of All-Star caliber play.
But here is the key for Atlanta. Do they still think there is a chance they can get Howard and Paul this summer? If so, they don't do it. If they decide thats not happening, I don't think there is any better deal for Smith out there.
A frontcourt of Horford and Gasol would put them in the running in the East for at least the next 2 seasons.
I just don't see it. You need more then those two guys. Lou williams is a nice sixth man, but who else do they have? Devin Harris? He's been a no-show since 2008-09. Maybe you could flip his expiring deal. Then who? Teague, Korver, Pachulia, Morrow, Ivan Johnson... Those guys aren't helping you compete for a title in the next two years.
When Atlanta had Joe Johnson it made sense. When Atlanta performed a salary dump of their All-Star SG and got nothing but future cap relief in return that spelled rebuilding mode.
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Danny Granger and Psycho T
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Pau Gasol
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cl3o5ww
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I've always assumed that some form of Pau Gasol for Kevin Love was as likely as any Gasol trade.
That would never go over in Minnesota. A few years down the line if Love demands out, maybe, but not now.
With that said, Minnesota is a very interesting trade partner for the Lakers. I am sure they would still love Gasol (although Pekovic definitely makes him less important), and they could put together an interesting package based around Derek Williams and Kirilenko...two guys who would be very interesting fits in D'Antoni's system.
I would love to see Kirilenko play for Mike D'Antoni. Absolutely love it. What a perfect match.
D'Antoni would play Kirilenko at his best position as an undersized quick power forward. He'll give him freedom offensively and put in positions to take advantage of his passing, ball-handling and slashing skills. That would be a sight to see ...
And Kirilenko (disruptive quick PF)alongside Dwight Howard (center) too. Exceptional defensive chemistry and backbone to a team's help defense.
As a basketball fan, sure! But aren't we celtics fans first? Not sure why we are rooting for perfect matches for dantonis system, which offensively could get the best out of a lot of players even some on the celtics roster.
On the other hand (and I know I am speaking from an extreme minority here), I am much more concerned with the Lakers sending Gasol to a contender in the East, than with what the Lakers get in return.
I think Gasol will likely be the best player in any trade he ends up involved in, so if he is staying out West, then its a win for the C's, whose biggest concern right now should be getting to the finals.
My fear is that they send him to a team like Atlanta (for Smith and change), Chicago (Deng), Indiana (Granger and/or West and change), or even Brooklyn (Wallace and Humphries). That would make the C's road tougher.
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I've always assumed that some form of Pau Gasol for Kevin Love was as likely as any Gasol trade.
That would never go over in Minnesota. A few years down the line if Love demands out, maybe, but not now.
With that said, Minnesota is a very interesting trade partner for the Lakers. I am sure they would still love Gasol (although Pekovic definitely makes him less important), and they could put together an interesting package based around Derek Williams and Kirilenko...two guys who would be very interesting fits in D'Antoni's system.
I would love to see Kirilenko play for Mike D'Antoni. Absolutely love it. What a perfect match.
D'Antoni would play Kirilenko at his best position as an undersized quick power forward. He'll give him freedom offensively and put in positions to take advantage of his passing, ball-handling and slashing skills. That would be a sight to see ...
And Kirilenko (disruptive quick PF)alongside Dwight Howard (center) too. Exceptional defensive chemistry and backbone to a team's help defense.
As a basketball fan, sure! But aren't we celtics fans first? Not sure why we are rooting for perfect matches for dantonis system, which offensively could get the best out of a lot of players even some on the celtics roster.
On the other hand (and I know I am speaking from an extreme minority here), I am much more concerned with the Lakers sending Gasol to a contender in the East, than with what the Lakers get in return.
I think Gasol will likely be the best player in any trade he ends up involved in, so if he is staying out West, then its a win for the C's, whose biggest concern right now should be getting to the finals.
My fear is that they send him to a team like Atlanta (for Smith and change), Chicago (Deng), Indiana (Granger and/or West and change), or even Brooklyn (Wallace and Humphries). That would make the C's road tougher.
Agreed actually...i just think gasol peaked in the lakers back to back championships and wouldn't be enough to put many teams in the east over the top...except for maybe us :o
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They should've just keep Bernie Bickerstaff as the head coach until they worked out a deal with Phil Jackson. Under Bickerstaff's helm the Lakers have assembled their first winning streak of the season; not sure how successful the Lake-Show will be with D'Antoni's offense. Of the three coaches (Phil Jackson Mike D'Antoni and Mike Brown) Phil Jackson's brand of offense has been the most successful -- Mike Brown enjoyed a mediocre season with the Lakers in 2011-2012 before it all fell apart this season and D'Antoni's fast break styled offense is unproven in Laker Land. Meanwhile Phil Jackson has had numerous finals appearances, playoff runs, and 5 NBA Championships as a the head coach of the Lakers from 1999 to 2011.
It will be interesting to see if this whole D'Antoni thing pans out or else we might see the Lakers make another move for Phil Jackson before long. Who knows, by then it may be too late in the season and Phil may no longer be interested in the job.
Did I mention that Phil Jackson is getting old? Maybe not Joe Paterno old, but he's up there.
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They should've just keep Bernie Bickerstaff as the head coach until they worked out a deal with Phil Jackson. Under Bickerstaff's helm the Lakers have assembled their first winning streak of the season; not sure how successful the Lake-Show will be with D'Antoni's offense. Of the three coaches (Phil Jackson Mike D'Antoni and Mike Brown) Phil Jackson's brand of offense has been the most successful -- Mike Brown enjoyed a mediocre season with the Lakers in 2011-2012 before it all fell apart this season and D'Antoni's fast break styled offense is unproven in Laker Land. Meanwhile Phil Jackson has had numerous finals appearances, playoff runs, and 5 NBA Championships as a the head coach of the Lakers from 1999 to 2011.
It will be interesting to see if this whole D'Antoni thing pans out or else we might see the Lakers make another move for Phil Jackson before long. Who knows, by then it may be too late in the season and Phil may no longer be interested in the job.
Did I mention that Phil Jackson is getting old? Maybe not Joe Paterno old, but he's up there.
Phil Jackson IS Joe Paterno old, as his health might become an issue again in upcoming seasons and remember the key with Phil is that he isn't committed to attending all of the Lakers road games. This issue might have been the reason why the Lakers chose D'Antoni in the first place.
Did I mention that I have multiple accounts on Celticsblog... (Witch-King, Frodo, The Dark Lord Sauron, among others) ;)
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I've always assumed that some form of Pau Gasol for Kevin Love was as likely as any Gasol trade.
That would never go over in Minnesota. A few years down the line if Love demands out, maybe, but not now.
With that said, Minnesota is a very interesting trade partner for the Lakers. I am sure they would still love Gasol (although Pekovic definitely makes him less important), and they could put together an interesting package based around Derek Williams and Kirilenko...two guys who would be very interesting fits in D'Antoni's system.
I would love to see Kirilenko play for Mike D'Antoni. Absolutely love it. What a perfect match.
D'Antoni would play Kirilenko at his best position as an undersized quick power forward. He'll give him freedom offensively and put in positions to take advantage of his passing, ball-handling and slashing skills. That would be a sight to see ...
And Kirilenko (disruptive quick PF)alongside Dwight Howard (center) too. Exceptional defensive chemistry and backbone to a team's help defense.
As a basketball fan, sure! But aren't we celtics fans first? Not sure why we are rooting for perfect matches for dantonis system, which offensively could get the best out of a lot of players even some on the celtics roster.
I am more of a basketball fan first, Celtic fan second.
Anyway, I wouldn't be concerned about the Lakers making a trade. I think their new management there is too arrogant (although I am impressed that they fired Mike Brown) to admit their squad's flaws at this stage in the process. I expect that they'll want to play it out and see what D'Antoni can do with the roster. D'Antoni is an excuse-maker whose own arrogance will stop him from pushing hard for changes to the roster and will instead insist that he can be successful with the roster. So I am not expecting LA to make anymore major moves this season. I wouldn't be concerned about that.
Plus, if LA did make a deal, they will lose just about any Pau Gasol trade on an individual talent-basis given Pau's age, contract and recent playoff performances. So whatever they get back in a deal, it won't be a king-maker.
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I've always assumed that some form of Pau Gasol for Kevin Love was as likely as any Gasol trade.
That would never go over in Minnesota. A few years down the line if Love demands out, maybe, but not now.
With that said, Minnesota is a very interesting trade partner for the Lakers. I am sure they would still love Gasol (although Pekovic definitely makes him less important), and they could put together an interesting package based around Derek Williams and Kirilenko...two guys who would be very interesting fits in D'Antoni's system.
I would love to see Kirilenko play for Mike D'Antoni. Absolutely love it. What a perfect match.
D'Antoni would play Kirilenko at his best position as an undersized quick power forward. He'll give him freedom offensively and put in positions to take advantage of his passing, ball-handling and slashing skills. That would be a sight to see ...
And Kirilenko (disruptive quick PF)alongside Dwight Howard (center) too. Exceptional defensive chemistry and backbone to a team's help defense.
As a basketball fan, sure! But aren't we celtics fans first? Not sure why we are rooting for perfect matches for dantonis system, which offensively could get the best out of a lot of players even some on the celtics roster.
On the other hand (and I know I am speaking from an extreme minority here), I am much more concerned with the Lakers sending Gasol to a contender in the East, than with what the Lakers get in return.
I think Gasol will likely be the best player in any trade he ends up involved in, so if he is staying out West, then its a win for the C's, whose biggest concern right now should be getting to the finals.
My fear is that they send him to a team like Atlanta (for Smith and change), Chicago (Deng), Indiana (Granger and/or West and change), or even Brooklyn (Wallace and Humphries). That would make the C's road tougher.
Agreed actually...i just think gasol peaked in the lakers back to back championships and wouldn't be enough to put many teams in the east over the top...except for maybe us :o
While he may have peaked then, I think he is still one of the top 5 big men in the league, if used correctly, and he would immediately be arguably one of the top 2 centers in the East along with Chandler (KG might also have a claim though).
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I've always assumed that some form of Pau Gasol for Kevin Love was as likely as any Gasol trade.
That would never go over in Minnesota. A few years down the line if Love demands out, maybe, but not now.
I don't think you can rule it out, though. My rebuttal to your point takes the form of one word: KAAAAAHHHHHHNNNNN!!!
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I've always assumed that some form of Pau Gasol for Kevin Love was as likely as any Gasol trade.
That would never go over in Minnesota. A few years down the line if Love demands out, maybe, but not now.
I don't think you can rule it out, though. My rebuttal to your point takes the form of one word: KAAAAAHHHHHHNNNNN!!!
Kahn gets a bad rap, but look at what he put together in Minnesota. That team is 5-2 and its two best players have yet to play in a game this year and they suited up just 10 players against the Mavs. And won and that is with their best player this year getting hurt in the 3rd quarter and not coming back into the game.
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I've always assumed that some form of Pau Gasol for Kevin Love was as likely as any Gasol trade.
That would never go over in Minnesota. A few years down the line if Love demands out, maybe, but not now.
I don't think you can rule it out, though. My rebuttal to your point takes the form of one word: KAAAAAHHHHHHNNNNN!!!
Kahn gets a bad rap, but look at what he put together in Minnesota. That team is 5-2 and its two best players have yet to play in a game this year and they suited up just 10 players against the Mavs. And won and that is with their best player this year getting hurt in the 3rd quarter and not coming back into the game.
Agreed. Kahn has done a good job with this team. But he also is fearless about making moves that might not make a whole lot of sense at first.
But trading Love for Gasol at this point goes beyond even his level of going out on a limb.