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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: jdz101 on November 10, 2012, 11:12:15 PM
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Just a great half of basketball from Jeff tonight.
Hustled and banged inside for the rebounds on D, a great block and a crucial steal at the end there.
Loved the attack to the basket aswell, despite a poor shooting first half.
Thoughts?
(PS that scar on his chest is intense...I sometimes forget what he's been through)
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If he can play like that through the whole season, I can safely say that the Perk trade has finally paid off.
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I'm still a believer in Green..like you mentioned, he's been through a lot and the guy has played 6 meaningful games of basketball in a year..he's gonna take awhile to get comfortable
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JG won us the game. Near flawless 4th quarter.
I was happy that he actually went left for once and finished with a lefty layup. He almost always goes right when he puts the ball on the floor. He's very predictable, and this is going to hurt especially come playoff time. I'd love to see him learn to utilize jump-stops and spin moves. If he could expand his repertoire, he could become a truly formidable offensive force in the league.
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He finally did something and proved he might just be worth a fraction of his 9million dollar contract.
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Great 2nd half by Green today.
Now all we need is him posting up against other 3's if he's on the SF spot. And be consistent with this effort of course.
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Nice showing from Green for sure.
I was one of the few people who was believing in Green all along, and I have to admit after the first 5 games even I was starting to lose faith a little.
At the end of the day this is just one game, and as the saying goes "every dog has his day".
Personally I felt like the first few games he looked lacking in confidence, and he just needed a strong game or two to lift his spirit and bring back the aggressiveness we saw in the preseason. I'm hoping that this game gives him that confidence he needs, rather than just being a one off effort that we don't see again for another 2 - 3 weeks.
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The rebounds in traffic really got him going - the effort earned him more burn from Doc and he got into more of an offensive groove.
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sometimes, all it takes is seeing a few buckets going into the basket to get a player going...hopefully this is the jeff green we get going forward
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He just needs consistent minutes to get a rhythm. His shooting percentages are lower than they have ever been. He'll get it going eventually. He's our 4th best player.
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I almost choked when I saw that he's shooting 56% from the line.
That's the sign of a guy who's lacking confidence. The points and minutes will hopefully get him going.
I was impressed by Bass, Terry and Green tonight.
Lee was pretty horrid and is going to get replaced by Bradley quite easily at this rate.
Surprising to see Terry start with Jennings and Ellis (a very fast, explosive back court), I wonder if Doc will roll with that group more often.
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from what I've seen, Jason Terry should continue to come off the bench. Start or bench he seems comfortable with either. Courtney Lee on the other hand disappeared as soon as he came off the bench. So we should switch their roles back. Bass should continue starting with Sully's minute cut and Wilcox minutes increased.
Jeff Green finally seems to get more comfortable as he is a lot more aggressive. But this is just a small sample size. Let's see some consistency first.
I loved the last 2 minutes cuz we played 2 minutes of hard ball defense. I loved the way we ended tonight's game. But I still think that our defense is a work in progress. This is a glimpse of our potential of what we can do for 48 minutes a night and not just towards the end of a game. But I believe by Dec. our team will be a lot more comfortable
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I'd say Terry is our fourth best player. He's been very good on offense the last three games. Since Lee wasn't having much success containing Monta, I would have liked to see Doc sub in Terry in the fourth. It's a moot point anyway.
It was good to see Green drive right to the rim instead of inexplicably veering away from it and attempting some of the longest layups I've ever seen. That aggressive dunk attempt seemed to wake him up.
There's no reason why Green can't consistently do what he did tonight in the fourth: getting kickouts at the three point line and driving past power forwards. He should be an offensive mismatch at the 4. That should be his calling card. I haven't been really impressed with his play at small forward. Even though he's a good run and jump athlete, he's not an overly quick and shifty one, which hampers his ability to beat perimeter defenders off the dribble.
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I think the key to Jeff will be attacking the basket. He did poorly when he played to get fouled. He did well when he attacked the hole. He needs to do more of the later.
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keep the aggression up Jeff. listen to Anthrax or Slayer or Megadeth.
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keep the aggression up Jeff. listen to Anthrax or Slayer or Megadeth.
He actually listening the Oppa Gangnam Style.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0
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I've been focused in on green lately as most disappointing player so far but im starting to notice lee has been almost as bad if not as bad. I was surprised to see him in the game over terry when terry was having a great game. Unless it was for defensive purposes and even then id rather have terry in there closing the game over lee.
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http://www.celticslife.com/2012/11/celticsbucks-postgame-interviews.html
Second video is another must watch classic KG interview.
Garnett says Jeff Green's a nice guy but should be something KG "can't really say what he wants to say" instead. Hilarious. Even has a vein on his head and was saying it through clenched teeth.
And in the same video is the cap, sounding like a real vet and a real captain.
This is the kind of veteran leadership I'm talking about.
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keep the aggression up Jeff. listen to Anthrax or Slayer or Megadeth.
LOL ...very funny ;D
He played better , but look , he was sucking so bad , he could only play better.
The whole team finally looked like they were playing together "AS A TEAM" for moments anyway or enough to get the win.
Jeff Green has a LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGG way to go to prove his worth , LOL ...I need a run of about 6 -10 games where he adds 12 points and 7 boards a game to prove he is even CLOSE to being worth his paycheck. I did like his efforts to rebound , at least he wan't shy about getting under the rim and banging some.
If he can be consistant ( what makes a real NBA star) see Kobe , Pierce, LBJ, Love and such well then I know he has turned the page.
Until I see the output and hussle over a longer amount of games , I'm still on the Josh Smith band wagon.
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The fact that he has a 'switch' that has to be flipped to find that aggression is a dirty shame. He has pleanty of talent if we can unleash it. I bet KG has been angrily looking all over for that thing. Shame on Jeff for making that vein pop out on KG's noggin, I used to do that to my parents for other reasons ;)
Nice game, now how bout another?
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I don't think he can create on his own. When he was put in isolation he couldn't do anything. But when he got the ball with his momentum already going (even if it was just a hand off) he beat his man to the hoop.
I think we should use him like we used Bradley last year (make him cut and be active constantly) because he seems to play better in motion.
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I think there's something to the argument that he's been out of basketball too long and he's taking a while to get back in the swing of things. His free throw percentage is a great example- just a sign that he hasn't got his confidence back yet. If you look at his numbers, they are way down across the board so far this season- yet he has moments.
It's a long season. I think that after a couple months of .500 we're going to be turning a corner and getting really excited about Green, Wilcox, Lee, and Sullinger.
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Great second half from Green. Provided a great spark for us. And how does he get rewarded? By Doc taking him out when he was basically our only offensive threat with a hot hand. I just dont understand it sometimes.
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Great second half from Green. Provided a great spark for us. And how does he get rewarded? By Doc taking him out when he was basically our only offensive threat with a hot hand. I just dont understand it sometimes.
Doc took Green out with 5:05 to play to get KG back in for the final 5 minutes of the game. Pierce was taking free throws at that stoppage and obviously you aren't taking him out of the game at the end! At that point, Green had played for 12 straight minutes on the clock (last 5 of the 3rd and first 7 of the 4th) so it made sense to give him a rest.
He then stuck Green back in with 1:48 to go in place of Bass. He briefly took Green out to get Terry in as a shooter with 25 seconds to go, but 3s later he put Green back in in place of Lee and left him in to the end.
So basically, Doc played Green all but about 3 minutes of the final 17m of the game.
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http://www.celticslife.com/2012/11/celticsbucks-postgame-interviews.html
Second video is another must watch classic KG interview.
Garnett says Jeff Green's a nice guy but should be something KG "can't really say what he wants to say" instead. Hilarious. Even has a vein on his head and was saying it through clenched teeth.
And in the same video is the cap, sounding like a real vet and a real captain.
This is the kind of veteran leadership I'm talking about.
Something lit a fire under Jeff Green at halftime. I think you're onto something that it may have been KG.
First half he looked very tentative, forcing passes, especially inside, where they got turned over.
Hopefully the second half, and especially his crunch time performance is what we'll get more of consistently as the season goes on.
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I think there's something to the argument that he's been out of basketball too long and he's taking a while to get back in the swing of things. His free throw percentage is a great example- just a sign that he hasn't got his confidence back yet. If you look at his numbers, they are way down across the board so far this season- yet he has moments.
It's a long season. I think that after a couple months of .500 we're going to be turning a corner and getting really excited about Green, Wilcox, Lee, and Sullinger.
There's nothing to the argument hes been out of basketball to long...he played better then ive ever seen him in the preaseason.
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I think there's something to the argument that he's been out of basketball too long and he's taking a while to get back in the swing of things. His free throw percentage is a great example- just a sign that he hasn't got his confidence back yet. If you look at his numbers, they are way down across the board so far this season- yet he has moments.
It's a long season. I think that after a couple months of .500 we're going to be turning a corner and getting really excited about Green, Wilcox, Lee, and Sullinger.
There's nothing to the argument hes been out of basketball to long...he played better then ive ever seen him in the preaseason.
Regular season is a whole different ballgame though. It's like the difference from playing pickup ball with your friends and playing a regular season competitive high school game.
Green will be fine, he's still adjusting to the full on NBA competition.
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He had a missed dunk down the lane in which he drew a foul ( I think it was sometime in the third quarter) which, to me, seemed to change his whole approach to the game. Instead of driving and trying to contort his body when he gets in the lane, he started going much stronger and more forcefully. Those two consecutive straight line drives, one going right, one going left where awesome. He followed that up with a very confident looking score on the low post. Add in his chase down block (goaltending?), and his late game strip, and it adds up to a very nice game.
Hopefully, he can start to relax a little and just play now. He's been picked as the guy who is going to be under the most intense scrutiny by the fans and the media this year.
If he can let it go, and just play ball, he will really be able to help this team.
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He had a missed dunk down the lane in which he drew a foul ( I think it was sometime in the third quarter) which, to me, seemed to change his whole approach to the game. Instead of driving and trying to contort his body when he gets in the lane, he started going much stronger and more forcefully. Those two consecutive straight line drives, one going right, one going left where awesome. He followed that up with a very confident looking score on the low post. Add in his chase down block (goaltending?), and his late game strip, and it adds up to a very nice game.
Hopefully, he can start to relax a little and just play now. He's been picked as the guy who is going to be under the most intense scrutiny by the fans and the media this year.
If he can let it go, and just play ball, he will really be able to help this team.
I agree, the entire team should take a lesson from Brandon Bass on going up strong to draw the foul. Ours guys simply do not get enough respect from the refs to keep trying with the finnesse.
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He had a missed dunk down the lane in which he drew a foul ( I think it was sometime in the third quarter) which, to me, seemed to change his whole approach to the game. Instead of driving and trying to contort his body when he gets in the lane, he started going much stronger and more forcefully. Those two consecutive straight line drives, one going right, one going left where awesome. He followed that up with a very confident looking score on the low post. Add in his chase down block (goaltending?), and his late game strip, and it adds up to a very nice game.
Hopefully, he can start to relax a little and just play now. He's been picked as the guy who is going to be under the most intense scrutiny by the fans and the media this year.
If he can let it go, and just play ball, he will really be able to help this team.
I agree, the entire team should take a lesson from Brandon Bass on going up strong to draw the foul. Ours guys simply do not get enough respect from the refs to keep trying with the finnesse.
True !! Bass is making extra effort this season , to work harder around the bucket , and I see it paying off. Finally good have couple bigger fellows (Bass & Sully) grabbing at rebound and working the ball in low. Both shoot freethrows decent.
Celtics should pound the ball in side to adnausium . Thats the HEATS game. Hurl your body at the rim and throw the ball up and at least you get freethrows. Then when the defense is packed in , pass the ball out to LEE , Rondo PIERCE and JET to shoot 12-15 ft jumpers. The defense is drawing the Celtics too far out and then we don't take it inside , waste time and throw up a sorry long two shot that is turned into a fast break for the other team.
Green , has the speed and jumping ability to work around the bucket. He needs to practice those James Worthy twists and turns and fakes.
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I don't think he can create on his own. When he was put in isolation he couldn't do anything. But when he got the ball with his momentum already going (even if it was just a hand off) he beat his man to the hoop.
I think we should use him like we used Bradley last year (make him cut and be active constantly) because he seems to play better in motion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvORhP5mVIk
Your right about him in motion, but watch this video, he creates on the motion. He's one of those right brain basketball players who creates on the go, as opposed to a left brainer like KG or PP who often hold onto the ball much longer and create off of a halt somewhere in their play.
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Without giving it too much thought from either side of my brain, I'd say that Pierce is definitely a right brain creative linking offensive player. He does more with less athleticism, and it's not because his moves are predictable and repetitive.
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Without giving it too much thought from either side of my brain, I'd say that Pierce is definitely a right brain creative linking offensive player. He does more with less athleticism, and it's not because his moves are predictable and repetitive.
No hes more left because he evaluates the situation and uses a planned attack while green is the type of player to get caught up in thinking and panic so he relies on his right brain instincts on the go.
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Without giving it too much thought from either side of my brain, I'd say that Pierce is definitely a right brain creative linking offensive player. He does more with less athleticism, and it's not because his moves are predictable and repetitive.
No hes more left because he evaluates the situation and uses a planned attack while green is the type of player to get caught up in thinking and panic so he relies on his right brain instincts on the go.
Nice try.
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Without giving it too much thought from either side of my brain, I'd say that Pierce is definitely a right brain creative linking offensive player. He does more with less athleticism, and it's not because his moves are predictable and repetitive.
No hes more left because he evaluates the situation and uses a planned attack while green is the type of player to get caught up in thinking and panic so he relies on his right brain instincts on the go.
Nice try.
You're right it was nice of me to correct you, thanks
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I hope for the Celtics and Greens sake , he takes KG's advice to heart and become a TUFFER and more agressive player ON THE COURT.... Green can and should ...you can be agressive without being a D<Wade thug and trying to hurt players.
Both Bass and Green have shown , attitude goes a long way, and it shows up on the court and helps your team win.
Please Jeff Green ... no more Mr NICE GUY on the court.!!!!
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Without giving it too much thought from either side of my brain, I'd say that Pierce is definitely a right brain creative linking offensive player. He does more with less athleticism, and it's not because his moves are predictable and repetitive.
No hes more left because he evaluates the situation and uses a planned attack while green is the type of player to get caught up in thinking and panic so he relies on his right brain instincts on the go.
Nice try.
You're right it was nice of me to correct you, thanks
Anytime you get ahead of yourself, I'll letcha know ;)
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He had a missed dunk down the lane in which he drew a foul ( I think it was sometime in the third quarter) which, to me, seemed to change his whole approach to the game. Instead of driving and trying to contort his body when he gets in the lane, he started going much stronger and more forcefully. Those two consecutive straight line drives, one going right, one going left where awesome. He followed that up with a very confident looking score on the low post. Add in his chase down block (goaltending?), and his late game strip, and it adds up to a very nice game.
Hopefully, he can start to relax a little and just play now. He's been picked as the guy who is going to be under the most intense scrutiny by the fans and the media this year.
If he can let it go, and just play ball, he will really be able to help this team.
I agree, the entire team should take a lesson from Brandon Bass on going up strong to draw the foul. Ours guys simply do not get enough respect from the refs to keep trying with the finnesse.
True !! Bass is making extra effort this season , to work harder around the bucket , and I see it paying off. Finally good have couple bigger fellows (Bass & Sully) grabbing at rebound and working the ball in low. Both shoot freethrows decent.
Celtics should pound the ball in side to adnausium . Thats the HEATS game. Hurl your body at the rim and throw the ball up and at least you get freethrows. Then when the defense is packed in , pass the ball out to LEE , Rondo PIERCE and JET to shoot 12-15 ft jumpers. The defense is drawing the Celtics too far out and then we don't take it inside , waste time and throw up a sorry long two shot that is turned into a fast break for the other team.
Green , has the speed and jumping ability to work around the bucket. He needs to practice those James Worthy twists and turns and fakes.
I guess we forgot that the Celtics went to the line 34 times and the Bucks only 26.
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I'd much rather have carl landry and his contract.
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If he can consistently rebound and defend very aggressively, I'll be very happy - his points will come and would be gravy to me.
really liked the rebounding last night.