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Title: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: FLCeltsFan on November 08, 2012, 09:24:03 PM
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Philadelphia 76ers (2-2) at Boston Celtics (2-2)
Friday, November 9, 2012
7:30 PM ET
Regular Season Game #5, Home Game #3
TV: CSNNE, CSNP, NBA LP 753
Radio:  WEEI,  WPEN
TD Garden

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Probable Starters
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PG: Rajon Rondo ...................................... SG: Courtney Lee
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C: Kevin Garnett
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SF:  Paul Pierce ....................................... PF: Jared Sullinger
Coach: Doc Rivers

Celtics Reserves
Brandon Bass
Jason Collins
Jason Terry
Jeff Green
Kris Joseph
Fab Melo
Darko Milicic
Leandro Barbosa
Chris Wilcox

Injuries

Avery Bradley (shoulders) out

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Probable Starters
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PG: Jrue Holiday ....................................  SG: Evan Turner 
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C: Lavoy Allen
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SF: Dorell Wright  ......................................  PF: Thaddeus Young
 
Sixers Reserves
Nick Young
Damien Wilkins
Spencer Hawes
Royal Ivey
Arnett Moultrie
Maalik Wayns

Injuries
Kwame Brown (calf) doubtful
Jason Richardson (ankle) questionable
Andrew Bynum (knee) doubtful

Key Matchups 
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Kevin Garnett vs Lavoy Allen
Allen was one of the players who gave the Celtics problems in last year's playoffs.  He's young, athletic and strong.  Doc may need to bring out Darko to bully him around a bit.   

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Rajon Rondo vs Jrue Holiday
As has been the case so many times, as Rondo goes, so go the Celtics.  When Rondo is aggressive the Celtics seem to click on all cylinders.  When he is passive, they struggle to score and seem to lapse into trying to do too much as individuals instead of playing team ball.  They will need him to be aggressive and to set the pace for the game.  Holiday has been playing very well for the Sixers and so Rondo will need to defend well, along with running the offense effectively. 

Honorable Mention

Paul Pierce vs Evan Turner
Turner is a streaky player.  When he is on, he's very tough to guard.  Pierce has also been up and down, dominating one game and then struggling the next.  Turner is a good defender and so this would be a good time for Jeff Green to have a break out game. 

Keys to the Game
Defense - As always, defense is key to winning.  Period.  The Celtics showed some signs of getting back to playing their trademark defense in their last game, but they still have a ways to go. They are ranked 22nd in the league allowing 99.75 points per game on 45% shooting.  The Sixers, on the other hand, are ranked 3rd allowing just 86.75 points  on 42% shooting. 

Take Care of the Ball  - The Celtics tend to turn the ball over way too much.   The Celtics need to keep their focus and make smart passes and avoid the costly turnovers that almost always lead to a score for the other team. 

Bench Play - The Celtics need to get quality minutes from their bench.  Jason Terry came alive in the last game and the move of Brandon Bass to the bench also helped.  The Celtics need more out Jeff Green and they need consistent contributions from the reserves. 

Be Aggressive - The Celtics need to stay aggressive.  They have to be more aggressive going to the hoop and not settling for outside shots. The Celtics were outscored in the paint 40-32 by the Wizards.  They have to be more aggressive going to the basket.   They have to be aggressive on defense, in going after loose balls, and in going after rebounds.  They have to be the team that wants it more. 

Game Notes
The Celtics face their division rival in a rematch of last season's Eastern Conference Semifinals.  It is the first of 4 meetings they will have this season, which include a back to back home and home set in December. 

The Sixers are missing their prize offseason free agent acquisition as Andrew Bynum rehabs his injured knee.  Both teams have struggled early as they try to incorporate new players find chemistry between them.  Both teams are 2-2 and are looking to climb above .500 for the first time this season.

The Sixers have lost six of their last seven regular-season games in Boston and the Celtics also eliminated them in a tough 7 game series.  The Sixers certainly will be looking to avenge those losses and were expected to challenge for the Atlantic division title but have been derailed early by injuries. 

The Celtics are trying to improve with each game and would like to establish home court dominance but have struggled to find chemistry among all the new pieces.  They will need a better effort against the Sixers than we saw against the Wizards if they hope to get a win in this one. 
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 08, 2012, 10:39:41 PM
Make it three in a row. 

Go C's !!!!

TP
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: hwangjini_1 on November 08, 2012, 11:34:33 PM
Another game, another great game thread.  Thanks FL and a tp for your great work.

Go celtics!
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: biggbird on November 09, 2012, 01:56:27 AM
Great effort as usual on the thread FL, TP for you.

A few things I'd love to see this game:

- More dribble penetration: We seem to be getting stuck passing the ball around the perimeter, which has lead to a lot of long jumpshots. I'm not sure whether that's a conscious decision on the team's part, or whether it's just because that's what most of our players naturally go to and are good at, but I think it would be beneficial to add a little more drive and kick in there. Should help to spread the floor for all those shooters. (As an aside, I'd be interested to know what the breakdown of our points in the pain, midrange, 3pters etc is if anyone has access to that information!)

- Consistent effort on D: We've played it well in spurts, but the consistency just isn't there yet. I think this certainly has to do with incorporating new players into an established system, but I think some of the players could try a little harder too.

- More shot blocking: The difference in our D when KG is out is enormous, at least to the naked eye. I understand that anybody else we put in when KG sits won't have quite the same effect, because pretty much nobody has the same effect on a D as KG does. However, it would be nice to at least make teams think twice about going to the rim or dumping it into the post, which they certainly don't have to do with Bass or Sullinger manning the 5. Whether it's Darko or Collins, it would be nice to see someone else get a shot.

- A win!: We might be 2-2 on the season, but both of our wins have come against a Wizards team missing their two best players, and as such pretty much define asterisk win. A win against a probable playoff team, even without their best player, would be a much needed confidence boost for the team and for the fans. Who knows, maybe we'll all stop trying to trade everyone away if we win a few in a row :P

Anyhow, enough of my rambling, Go Cs!
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: j804 on November 09, 2012, 05:20:23 AM
We owe this Philly team a whooping sick of these guys jumping all over us recently.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: FLCeltsFan on November 09, 2012, 06:24:20 AM
Thanks everyone.  And a TP for each of you for being the first GT posts.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: ACF on November 09, 2012, 06:37:37 AM
TP.




Go Celtics!






Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: jdz101 on November 09, 2012, 07:06:51 AM
TP FL.

Please celts give me some faith that youre starting to find your feet.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: manl_lui on November 09, 2012, 11:10:31 AM
cant wait...

We need to start the game fast and jump to a commanding lead. Lee needs to be more assertive.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 09, 2012, 12:18:45 PM
PLEASE put DARKO and WILCOX on the floor !!!
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: makaveli on November 09, 2012, 07:34:46 PM
i hope for a good game...no more running us out of the gym bull...
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: GronkSpike on November 09, 2012, 07:35:29 PM
I hope the Celts can put up a complete game tonight. LEGGO
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on November 09, 2012, 07:36:25 PM
TP, FL!

Let's go for three, C's!
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Kiorrik on November 09, 2012, 07:37:33 PM
Let's go Celtics!
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Kiorrik on November 09, 2012, 07:39:48 PM
Mike really is one of the best announcers in the game.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Who on November 09, 2012, 07:40:06 PM
Still no Andrew Bynum? That sucks.

I have been looking forward to seeing what that new-look Philly team ... oh well.

This should be a comfortable win.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Shots on November 09, 2012, 07:40:25 PM
Does anyone else have issues with getting to the International League Pass site? Can't access it, I get this error: 101 (net::ERR_CONNECTION_RESET) (the address is ilp.nba.com)

Accessed the service through the regular League Pass site. Phew, was worried I wouldn't be able to watch the game. Go Cs!
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Mr October on November 09, 2012, 07:42:15 PM
Still no Andrew Bynum? That sucks.

I have been looking forward to seeing what that new-look Philly team ... oh well.

This should be a comfortable win.

I dont think it'll be easy by any means. This Philly team is scrappy and talented enough to make the playoffs without Bynum.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Kiorrik on November 09, 2012, 07:45:50 PM
Good D so far. Keep it up.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Who on November 09, 2012, 07:46:05 PM
Still no Andrew Bynum? That sucks.

I have been looking forward to seeing what that new-look Philly team ... oh well.

This should be a comfortable win.

I dont think it'll be easy by any means. This Philly team is scrappy and talented enough to make the playoffs without Bynum.

You think so?

I got them in that mid-30s win range minus Bynum. Outside the playoffs.

Edit: I am kind of fed up with this early season schedule. Five games in and they have only played one good side so far. Tired of these games against weak teams.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: footey on November 09, 2012, 07:46:54 PM
Hey, living in Westchester County NY, just ordered League Pass, and the Boston-Philly game is blocked.  Anyone know why?  This only happens if the Celts are playing Nets or Knicks.  Would appreciate if anyone can give input--maybe game is on another channel??

Thanks.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Who on November 09, 2012, 07:50:23 PM
I would like to see some Darko here.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: wayupnorth on November 09, 2012, 07:51:58 PM
Does anyone have any idea as to why NBA league pass would not be working for this game?
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Who on November 09, 2012, 07:52:04 PM
C:  Sully
PF: Bass
SF: Green
SG: Lee
PG: Rondo

Not enough shot-creation on the floor right now. Nor enough interior defense. I think they need to put Terry out there to help open up the offense.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Who on November 09, 2012, 07:54:07 PM
Sixers killing the C's on drives to the basket. No rim protection.

Defense very slack. Both at the rim and the point of attack.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: snively on November 09, 2012, 07:54:11 PM
Does anyone have any idea as to why NBA league pass would not be working for this game?

Mine's not working either.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: letsgoblue86 on November 09, 2012, 07:54:29 PM
Why does no one on this team have the cajones to take it to the rim?  So frustrating, settling for jumpers every [dang] possession.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: makaveli on November 09, 2012, 07:55:08 PM
no presence down low... as usual, defense breaks down as soon as Kg steps of the floor...
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: wayupnorth on November 09, 2012, 07:55:28 PM
Does anyone have any idea as to why NBA league pass would not be working for this game?

Mine's not working either.


Just the C's game or others? I can get all the other games except for the one I want. (C's)
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: snively on November 09, 2012, 07:58:01 PM
Does anyone have any idea as to why NBA league pass would not be working for this game?

Mine's not working either.


Just the C's game or others? I can get all the other games except for the one I want. (C's)

Just the C's game - spinning NBA logo.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Who on November 09, 2012, 07:58:16 PM
Nice to see Bass post-up. Good strong / physical move.

Too slow on getting his shot attempt off though.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Kiorrik on November 09, 2012, 07:59:27 PM
Does anyone have any idea as to why NBA league pass would not be working for this game?

Mine's not working either.


Just the C's game or others? I can get all the other games except for the one I want. (C's)

Just the C's game - spinning NBA logo.
Blacked out? You in NE area? Is it being broadcast on any pay TV stations?
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: footey on November 09, 2012, 08:00:31 PM
its blocked out in NY,which makes no sense. This never happens.  Must be on another channel??
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: snively on November 09, 2012, 08:01:28 PM
Does anyone have any idea as to why NBA league pass would not be working for this game?

Mine's not working either.


Just the C's game or others? I can get all the other games except for the one I want. (C's)

Just the C's game - spinning NBA logo.
Blacked out? You in NE area? Is it being broadcast on any pay TV stations?

I'm in California.  Normally with a black out LP doesn't even have a video option.  This one says its on then just shows a league pass title screen.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Kiorrik on November 09, 2012, 08:03:10 PM
Odd @ all the League Pass issues.

Mine's just fine.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Who on November 09, 2012, 08:03:51 PM
Painful watching Bass try to create for others off the dribble. Turnover.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Kiorrik on November 09, 2012, 08:05:17 PM
Clear offense foul yeah.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Kiorrik on November 09, 2012, 08:05:32 PM
Man, I love Rondo's jumper.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: wayupnorth on November 09, 2012, 08:07:34 PM
Does anyone have any idea as to why NBA league pass would not be working for this game?

Mine's not working either.


Just the C's game or others? I can get all the other games except for the one I want. (C's)

Just the C's game - spinning NBA logo.
Blacked out? You in NE area? Is it being broadcast on any pay TV stations?

I'm in California.  Normally with a black out LP doesn't even have a video option.  This one says its on then just shows a league pass title screen.

Thats what I have too. And some incredibly irritating music

This sucks.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Who on November 09, 2012, 08:10:00 PM
I am pretty disappointed with Sullinger so far. I like his skill-level but I don't think he is producing enough offensively to make up for how large of a liability he is defensively.

I wonder if Doc isn't best off limiting his minutes for now and coming back to him in a few weeks time.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: GronkSpike on November 09, 2012, 08:12:23 PM
Is it me, or Pierce so far this season can't hit the 2?
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Kiorrik on November 09, 2012, 08:15:31 PM
Rubbish refs not making it any easier.

If we could hit a shot, that'd be nice.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: celticinorlando on November 09, 2012, 08:16:23 PM
Man this team is painful to watch right now
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: crimson_stallion on November 09, 2012, 08:18:27 PM
Why on earth does Jeff Green hold/pass the ball every time a defensive player so much as looks at him?
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Rondo2287 on November 09, 2012, 08:18:36 PM
I'd like to see green dominate the ball a little bit more when he is out there
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: PhoSita on November 09, 2012, 08:18:39 PM
League Pass fail tonight . . . Celtics feed isn't on for some reason, and the Minnie game keeps giving me error messages.  On top of that, the Rockets are on NBA TV.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: CeltsRoxfan on November 09, 2012, 08:18:44 PM
TAKE IT TO THE BASKET. Stop taking jumpshots
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: PhoSita on November 09, 2012, 08:20:33 PM
This team is going to get there eventually, but they're a lot further away than I thought they'd be entering the season, that's for sure.

Once KG and Pierce get into better game shape that should help with consistency.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: jimmehx on November 09, 2012, 08:21:22 PM
ughhhhh.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: celticinorlando on November 09, 2012, 08:22:30 PM
Is this going to get better any time soon? Offense is bad...defense not any better
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: PhoSita on November 09, 2012, 08:22:43 PM
Some real insight / analysis from Sherrod for once:

Quote
A. Sherrod Blakely ‏@SherrodbCSN
#Celticstalk: Let's be real. #Sixers Thaddeus Young does everything the #Celtics are literally banking on Jeff Green to do.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Jon on November 09, 2012, 08:23:18 PM
This is terrible.

But things are going about as badly as possible.  Missing open shots and layups.

This will get better. 
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Who on November 09, 2012, 08:23:48 PM
I really like Jrue Holiday's game.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: letsgoblue86 on November 09, 2012, 08:24:07 PM
Some real insight / analysis from Sherrod for once:

Quote
A. Sherrod Blakely ‏@SherrodbCSN
#Celticstalk: Let's be real. #Sixers Thaddeus Young does everything the #Celtics are literally banking on Jeff Green to do.
And I bet Thad Young is making less money than Jeff too
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: celticinorlando on November 09, 2012, 08:24:19 PM
Awful. Jeff green does zero. Pierce looks old. Defense is sorry and the poor. Frustrated
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: vinnie on November 09, 2012, 08:24:31 PM
Wow. Just wow. When did Pierce turn 100? Absolutely brutal.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: henr1k on November 09, 2012, 08:25:36 PM
Pierce looks really old and slow :(
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: celticinorlando on November 09, 2012, 08:26:14 PM
What a freakin clown show
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: j804 on November 09, 2012, 08:26:28 PM
Not watching the game but looking at play by play it is just awful. Offensive rebound after offensive rebound after a missed shot. Blocked shot by Green, missed shot here missed shot there. Yuck!!
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: PhoSita on November 09, 2012, 08:27:53 PM
This seems as good a time as any to say that frustration is understandable given the way the team has played so far but we're 5 games in and the world isn't ending.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: celticinorlando on November 09, 2012, 08:29:10 PM
Through 5 games....there has not been one stretch this season where Boston has looked like a decent team
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: PhoSita on November 09, 2012, 08:29:23 PM
Really annoyed with League Pass right now.  Paying too much money for this sort of thing to happen as often as it does.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 09, 2012, 08:29:45 PM
Doc's rotations are terrible.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: vinnie on November 09, 2012, 08:30:04 PM
I have never seen worse defense than this in my life. Layup after layup after layup. Total joke. There is no excuse for them playing this poorly.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: snively on November 09, 2012, 08:30:39 PM
Really annoyed with League Pass right now.  Paying too much money for this sort of thing to happen as often as it does.

I'm still waiting for anyone to talk to me on live chat support.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Spicoli on November 09, 2012, 08:30:41 PM
Man, this team is so bad right now.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 09, 2012, 08:30:53 PM
Nobody can get into rhythm when the lineups are shifting every few minutes and communication on both the defensive and offensive end break down.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Who on November 09, 2012, 08:31:20 PM
A pair of nice plays by Sully. A contested shot at the basket following the feed from Rondo I think it was and an offensive rebound + kickout to Pierce for a triple. I like seeing that. That's what he is in there for.

Gotta make enough of those type of plays to make up for his lousy defense.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: celticinorlando on November 09, 2012, 08:32:09 PM
They just aren't improving from game to game at all.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 09, 2012, 08:33:03 PM
Soon as KG came out that first time and used Sully as Center it all went to pot.

Sully is NOT A CENTER.

 So then he took Lee out how has the hot hand ? ???

Green is still lost and useless  and Pierce is fragile as a 88 year old old lady . ::)

Other than Rondo,  every player is faster and more energy than the Celtics.

Doc is coaching a horrible game.  And now the whole team is lost under his guidance.

The team needs LEADERSHIP , Doc right the ship .
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Who on November 09, 2012, 08:34:21 PM
Bass is averaging almost 30 minutes a game so far this season. That is too many minutes for Bass. He is a 20-24 minute a night player.

I'd like to see Doc reduce Bass' playing time to the low twenties. Look to work in Wilcox and Sully behind him for the remaining minutes at power forward. Maybe some center minutes for Wilcox also. Then give Darko with the other backup center minutes behind KG.

Courtney Lee is playing too much also. That playing time should go to Jason Terry and/or Jeff Green.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: PhoSita on November 09, 2012, 08:34:29 PM
Doc's rotations are terrible.

Doc, like the rest of our team, didn't turn into a pumpkin over the summer or something.

He's still a good coach . . . just needs time to figure how to make this roster work most effectively.

I'm with you though -- it's frustrating that this team isn't nearly as close to playing up to their potential as they probably ought to be at this point.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: letsgoblue86 on November 09, 2012, 08:35:18 PM
We make Evan Turner look like Kevin Durant every time we play the Sixers
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: PhoSita on November 09, 2012, 08:35:46 PM
Bass is averaging almost 30 minutes a game so far this season. That is too many minutes for Bass. He is a 20-24 minute a night player.

I'd like to see Doc reduce Bass' playing time to the low twenties. Look to work in Wilcox and Sully behind him for the remaining minutes at power forward. Maybe some center minutes for Wilcox also. Then give Darko with the other backup center minutes behind KG.

Courtney Lee is playing too much also. That playing time should go to Jason Terry and/or Jeff Green.

The team did pretty well with Bass starting and playing 30+ minutes last season.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: vinnie on November 09, 2012, 08:35:54 PM
This team is regressing.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: vinnie on November 09, 2012, 08:37:29 PM
They should be booed off the court
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: blink on November 09, 2012, 08:37:42 PM
wow our on-ball defense has been terrible.  we can't seem to stop the man with the ball from getting to the rim.  embarrassing.  throwing the ball away, too many fouls...
eh.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: letsgoblue86 on November 09, 2012, 08:37:44 PM
They should be booed off the court
Sadly I agree
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 09, 2012, 08:37:50 PM
We make Evan Turner look like Kevin Durant every time we play the Sixers

and YOUNG looks like Kobe Bryant bombing from everwhere on the court.

Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Who on November 09, 2012, 08:38:12 PM
C:  Garnett
PF: Pierce
SF: Lee
SG: Terry
PG: Rondo

Yuck ...

Actually, Philly are playing:

C:  Hawes
PF: Dorell Wright
SF: Turner
SG: Ivey
PG: Holiday

I withdraw my complaint (for the most part). I really hate that small-ball Celtics lineup but Philly's is just as weak (balance wise).

Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: RockinRyA on November 09, 2012, 08:39:02 PM
should I just stop watching till they get bradley back?
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: PhoSita on November 09, 2012, 08:40:22 PM
No coincidence that the Sixers true center who comes off the bench, Hawes, is a +21.

Sixers go on an absolute tear as soon as KG checks out the other team has a major advantage inside.

Celtics just not scoring or defending in this game.  Box score tells the story.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: vinnie on November 09, 2012, 08:40:28 PM
Brutal
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 09, 2012, 08:40:48 PM
Look  :o I'm calling it ..Green is TOTALLY LOST out there he has ZERO idea what he wants to do with the ball.

I feel for Rondo and KG . They are trying.

Either our team is asleep or the 76's are six times quicker. 
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Kuberski1 on November 09, 2012, 08:41:35 PM
Absolutely horrid....getting closer and closer to hopeless....
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: j804 on November 09, 2012, 08:41:50 PM
I don't even know how we won Game 7 against them last year, Phillys been kicking our ass for awhile
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: vinnie on November 09, 2012, 08:42:07 PM
Some day Jeff Green might get it. Not sure when. Other than Garnett and Rondo, this is atrocious.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Rondo2287 on November 09, 2012, 08:42:14 PM
Rabble rabble rabble
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Who on November 09, 2012, 08:42:41 PM
I feel for Rondo and KG . They are trying.
Yeah, they are the only ones regularly putting in those extra-effort type plays.

Bass has been alright too.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: curacha on November 09, 2012, 08:43:02 PM
what a repulsive first half... :-X
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: PhoSita on November 09, 2012, 08:43:13 PM
I stick by my prediction that the Celtics are gonna stick around .500 until Christmas and then go on a run after that, probably coinciding with Avery Bradley returning and getting back to 100%.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: snively on November 09, 2012, 08:43:27 PM
Maybe I should be glad LP is still pretending the game hasn't started yet.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 09, 2012, 08:43:56 PM
Celtics have NO business playing teams like the HEAT , we were lucky not to get beat 142 to 75

Losing a close hard game is acceptable , get destroyed by nobodies is crazy.

Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: PhoSita on November 09, 2012, 08:44:14 PM
On the bright side: Rondo just needs 2 assists in the second half to keep his streak of double digit assist games alive.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: vinnie on November 09, 2012, 08:44:18 PM
I stick by my prediction that the Celtics are gonna stick around .500 until Christmas and then go on a run after that, probably coinciding with Avery Bradley returning and getting back to 100%.

If the play the wizards every game, maybe .500 ;D
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: PhoSita on November 09, 2012, 08:44:46 PM
Maybe I should be glad LP is still pretending the game hasn't started yet.

I was just thinking the same thing.  As good a night as any for LP not to work, since apparently the game is unwatchable.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: AB_Celtic on November 09, 2012, 08:44:58 PM
On the bright side: Rondo just needs 2 assists in the second half to keep his streak of double digit assist games alive.

Wins > silly stat streak.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Adelaide Celt on November 09, 2012, 08:45:18 PM
JET - 1 point, 1 shot, 1 assist and 2 fouls for the first half.  :(
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: PhoSita on November 09, 2012, 08:46:00 PM
I stick by my prediction that the Celtics are gonna stick around .500 until Christmas and then go on a run after that, probably coinciding with Avery Bradley returning and getting back to 100%.

If the play the wizards every game, maybe .500 ;D

I'm assuming they're going to be pretty up and down, so they'll eke out wins versus mediocre to average teams like the Wiz and maybe win the occasional game against a good team.  We won't see this team play elite ball until after Christmas.

A lot like last season, in other words.  Unfortunately they don't have a lockout as an excuse this time around.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: PhoSita on November 09, 2012, 08:46:28 PM
On the bright side: Rondo just needs 2 assists in the second half to keep his streak of double digit assist games alive.

Wins > silly stat streak.

Sure, but I'm just looking for the positives here.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: blink on November 09, 2012, 08:47:12 PM
After a few games, I am getting more and more worried about our 2 guards (except for lee) being too undersized to guard big and strong 2's.

Rondo needs to crank up the D as well.  Holiday is doing what he wants, when he wants.  We are letting WAY too many dribble drives into the paint.  We need to crank up the perimeter D, to slow down the driving to the hoop.  Isn't going to happen until the intensity is cranked up, a lot.

Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 09, 2012, 08:49:01 PM
1) Sully has more minutes than Bass, Terry, Green, Wilcox, and Barbosa.  He has 2 points and 2 rebounds, and has been a defensive liability.  I'm all for developing the rookie, but when the team is struggling this badly, now is not the time.

2) Bass looks MUCH better as a starter.  I do not agree with "having too much scoring" when Bass is with the starting lineup. 

3) Green absent once again.  I've constantly believed that his contract was worth the price and that he'd give us solid minutes and much needed depth at the 3, things we need when we play the Heat, Knicks, and other teams.  That belief and confidence is beginning to fade.

4) What happened to PP?  He's probably shooting close to 30% for the season so far.  Without his contributions, we're not going anywhere.

On a positive note, KG looks good.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: European NBA fan on November 09, 2012, 08:50:04 PM
I'm pretty sure, I would be banned if I expressed my true feelings about this half...
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Kiorrik on November 09, 2012, 08:50:58 PM
How in the world did Rondo get 8 assists? We're not hitting a thing...

Rondo's D was decent most of the time, got a bit worse towards the end.

In those first few seconds, our D looked good. Then two mins in, everything went out the window and now we're carp.

Seriously, we look disinterested.

Regular season? Why do we bother :(
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Mr Green on November 09, 2012, 08:51:36 PM
Cs are just being outhustled at the moment. It's halftime, we've been playing poor and we're only down by 12, this game is still winnable. I'd prefer if the guys started driving to the bucket instead of looking for jump shots.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 09, 2012, 08:51:58 PM
The Celtics started strong and confident. Soon as KG went to the bench , 76's went CRAZY on the Celtics and scored like 8 points with easy layups. 

Wilcox /Darko/collins somebody has to come in to protect the paint when KG goes out...how many times have we all dicscussed bringing Bass in with Sully is a absolute NO-NO

That STUPID move by Doc got the whole team out of whack...

What is wrong with Doc ...has he gone senile.

Then Doc panics and sends in Green who is a LOST BALL in HIGH WEEDS.  Needs to go to D league
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Who on November 09, 2012, 08:53:40 PM
I'd like to see Rondo look to take it to the basket more often.

Very little dribble penetration / slashing / drives to the rim from the rest of the team.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: albas89 on November 09, 2012, 08:54:52 PM
Pierce has been bad to say the least so far this season... he looks old, no explosion, no stepback jumpers, nothing...
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: blink on November 09, 2012, 08:55:28 PM
I agree I think the Green-Sully-Bass front line needs to be mothballed. 

I am trying hard not to be disappointed in Green.  Giving him the benefit of the doubt for now.  Doc needs to find his 'agressive' button.

The Celtics started strong and confident. Soon as KG went to the bench , 76's went CRAZY on the Celtics and scored like 8 points with easy layups. 

Wilcox /Darko/collins somebody has to come in to protect the paint when KG goes out...how many times have we all dicscussed bringing Bass in with Sully is a absolute NO-NO

That STUPID move by Doc got the whole team out of whack...

What is wrong with Doc ...has he gone senile.

Then Doc paniks and sends in Green who is a LOST BALL in HIGH WEEDS.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: j804 on November 09, 2012, 08:57:58 PM
The Celtics started strong and confident. Soon as KG went to the bench , 76's went CRAZY on the Celtics and scored like 8 points with easy layups. 

Wilcox /Darko/collins somebody has to come in to protect the paint when KG goes out...how many times have we all dicscussed bringing Bass in with Sully is a absolute NO-NO

That STUPID move by Doc got the whole team out of whack...

What is wrong with Doc ...has he gone senile.

Then Doc panics and sends in Green who is a LOST BALL in HIGH WEEDS.  Needs to go to D league
i know Darko looked agile and decent in the preseason, we as a team looked solid in the preseason when he was getting minutes. Why doesn't play any of our bigs is beyond me so sick of this stupid small ball
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Who on November 09, 2012, 08:59:17 PM
14 points, 7 rebounds and 4 assists for Evan Turner.

10 points, 8 assists, 3 rebounds, 2 steals and 2 blocks for Jrue Holiday.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 09, 2012, 08:59:50 PM
Pierce has been bad to say the least so far this season... he looks old, no explosion, no stepback jumpers, nothing...

those 22year olds on the 76's are eating Pierces lunch and kicking him .  He is easy pickings. slow on the dribble , showing the pass, all over him inside.... just wow !!!

Pierce looks like a lamb being eaten by a pack of hungry wolves.

Green looks like a Deer lost in the headlights of a car.

This is where Bradley and Wilco and Rondo could help KG .

Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: tgreanier on November 09, 2012, 09:00:45 PM
This team is an embarrassment. The Lakers had a chump as their head coach, so they have an excuse. What is going on in Boston is truly sad. No chemistry that I can see and the defense looks reactive, not proactive in any sense.

I still imagine they will find their groove, but when? If the Celtics are 10 games out, it will be a bit late.

And to the Sixers no less. Bleh.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 09, 2012, 09:01:35 PM
14 points, 7 rebounds and 4 assists for Evan Turner.

10 points, 8 assists, 3 rebounds, 2 steals and 2 blocks for Jrue Holiday.

He is their AB . Their speed and energy , or youth is killing the C's.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Who on November 09, 2012, 09:02:51 PM
Rondo doing a good job pushing the ball aggressively in transition.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: GronkSpike on November 09, 2012, 09:03:19 PM
Rajon is puttin da team on his back doe
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: blink on November 09, 2012, 09:03:34 PM
RR taking control...way to take it to the hoop.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Kiorrik on November 09, 2012, 09:03:36 PM
I hate refs. In general.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: snively on November 09, 2012, 09:04:39 PM
The more they simplify the offense and stick to spreading the floor, and attacking with high pick and roll the better.  Too much off-ball intricacy sometimes.  Too much waiting for a guy to post on the wing.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Smutzy#9 on November 09, 2012, 09:05:33 PM
doesnt help when you are shooting below 40% and they are shooting above 50%.

Defence is still pretty sloppy. Im all for sending in goons soon. Clog the paint up force them to take jump shots
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: vinnie on November 09, 2012, 09:07:35 PM
This team stinks
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: snively on November 09, 2012, 09:08:09 PM
As soon as we run a double screen for Pierce off a screen handoff - too complicated, too little spacing - nothing good comes of it.  Keep it simple.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: blink on November 09, 2012, 09:08:37 PM
Sully has a long way to go on D.
uggg
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: European NBA fan on November 09, 2012, 09:08:38 PM
I was just going to say that I like Sullinger's D so far this half...
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 09, 2012, 09:08:44 PM
doesnt help when you are shooting below 40% and they are shooting above 50%.

Defence is still pretty sloppy. Im all for sending in goons soon. Clog the paint up force them to take jump shots

At least Doc should give DArko a chance when KG is out .
Make 76's play a slow down  half court game, eventually they will go cold . 

Even stupid ME has a game plan... ::)
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Who on November 09, 2012, 09:10:21 PM
I think Doug Collins is doing a really nice job controlling the big man matchups with Lavoy Allen against Garnett + Spencer Hawes against non-Garnett matchups. Getting his team a lot of extra benefits.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: RockinRyA on November 09, 2012, 09:10:59 PM
The patented Bass+Sully lineup. Thought the days of BBD at center days are over. :-X
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: snively on November 09, 2012, 09:12:48 PM
Love Wilcox as a roll man - such good hands.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Kiorrik on November 09, 2012, 09:12:48 PM
Highlight of the game: Scal is a natural at this announcing gig.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 09, 2012, 09:13:19 PM
Still don't understand why Sully gets so many minutes and why Sully and BB are paired together.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: vinnie on November 09, 2012, 09:13:37 PM
Again. So happy Danny got all these big guys. On another note, Jeff Green again playing a bit part tonight. SMH
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Who on November 09, 2012, 09:14:14 PM
Nice follow by Dorell Wright. Smart play.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Who on November 09, 2012, 09:15:37 PM
I miss Pietrus. I'd like to have his physical defense and energy on the wing right now.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Mr October on November 09, 2012, 09:16:45 PM
Still no Andrew Bynum? That sucks.

I have been looking forward to seeing what that new-look Philly team ... oh well.

This should be a comfortable win.

I dont think it'll be easy by any means. This Philly team is scrappy and talented enough to make the playoffs without Bynum.

You think so?

I got them in that mid-30s win range minus Bynum. Outside the playoffs.

Edit: I am kind of fed up with this early season schedule. Five games in and they have only played one good side so far. Tired of these games against weak teams.

I would peg them for 41-44 wins without Bynum. With Bynum for a whole year, I'd peg them for 52 wins.

(sorry about the late reply. I was away from the computer for a while)
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: vinnie on November 09, 2012, 09:18:11 PM
He is far from the only one playing  poorly, but Jeff Green is like a Ghost on the court. Even his teammates don't seem to see him.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: snively on November 09, 2012, 09:19:12 PM
Gotta be careful with these off-ball screen actions - need to be quicker to abandon them when they don't produce an open target. 
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Big Rondo on November 09, 2012, 09:19:14 PM
Is Darko still on the team?
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: vinnie on November 09, 2012, 09:20:03 PM
Rondo still can't shoot free throws. Amazing
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: vinnie on November 09, 2012, 09:21:22 PM
This lineup is horrendous
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Who on November 09, 2012, 09:21:25 PM
Bass takes some really unnecessary jump-shots. Just move the [dang] ball.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: snively on November 09, 2012, 09:21:28 PM
Shoot the dang ball Bass - stop dribbling.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 09, 2012, 09:22:34 PM
gonna be a Loooooooooooooooooooooooong season . :'(
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Redz on November 09, 2012, 09:23:24 PM
Tommy and Scal are pretty awesome together.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: vinnie on November 09, 2012, 09:23:35 PM
gonna be a Loooooooooooooooooooooooong season . :'(

Jeff Green will save the day
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: blink on November 09, 2012, 09:23:37 PM
Green completely lost on D.  Gave up inside position on the rebound, and then pushes to pick up the foul. 

At some point, we need to get back to fundamentally sound basketball.  Hustle on D, keep between your man and the basket, block your man out... we seemingly can't remember the basics of the game.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Who on November 09, 2012, 09:23:57 PM
Great effort by Terry to get open for that shot.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Big Rondo on November 09, 2012, 09:24:20 PM
Tommy and Scal are pretty awesome together.

Tell me how you really feel LOL
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Redz on November 09, 2012, 09:24:37 PM
Who'd have thought Chris Wilcox would be our fastest player?
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: letsgoblue86 on November 09, 2012, 09:25:22 PM
I cannot stand Turner, guy plays like MJ against us.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: GronkSpike on November 09, 2012, 09:25:34 PM
Ah man, we can never hit a shot in the last seconds.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Who on November 09, 2012, 09:25:48 PM
Philly did well to hold onto that 9 point lead.

Responded well each time Boston threatened to cut the gap.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: vinnie on November 09, 2012, 09:26:00 PM
Honestly, Jeff Green looks like he isn't trying most of the time he is out there. Most passive player I have ever seen.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: hpantazo on November 09, 2012, 09:26:31 PM
We can win this game if we string together a few good minutes.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: snively on November 09, 2012, 09:26:48 PM
Who'd have thought Chris Wilcox would be our fastest player?

Wilcox has always been a great floor-runner - he's a great partner for Rondo offensively.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Redz on November 09, 2012, 09:27:33 PM
Celts TV ratings must be way down if they're selling ads for Bladder Cancer malpractice lawyers.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Redz on November 09, 2012, 09:28:47 PM
Who'd have thought Chris Wilcox would be our fastest player?

Wilcox has always been a great floor-runner - he's a great partner for Rondo offensively.

He's definitely earning minutes, if he's up to it.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: slamtheking on November 09, 2012, 09:29:07 PM
let's see what we can do in this last quarter.  showed some life in the 3rd, let's see if they continue
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: vinnie on November 09, 2012, 09:31:30 PM
That run was fun while it lasted.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: letsgoblue86 on November 09, 2012, 09:32:16 PM
Not sure why we have Bass on Holiday
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Kiorrik on November 09, 2012, 09:32:46 PM
Tommy and Scal are pretty awesome together.

Tell me how you really feel LOL
Haha, yeh, cracked me up too :]
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: snively on November 09, 2012, 09:33:18 PM
If we're going to switch every pick and roll than put Pierce in instead of Bass.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: vinnie on November 09, 2012, 09:33:27 PM
Hopefully old man pierce will be in for passive Jeff
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: vinnie on November 09, 2012, 09:34:42 PM
Garbage
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: hpantazo on November 09, 2012, 09:35:05 PM
ugh!
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: slamtheking on November 09, 2012, 09:35:30 PM
ugh
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Big Rondo on November 09, 2012, 09:35:46 PM
WE WANT SMITH

WE WANT SMITH
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Redz on November 09, 2012, 09:35:50 PM
Keep playing hard
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: celticinorlando on November 09, 2012, 09:35:58 PM
I just don't see any good with this team. They a bad
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Who on November 09, 2012, 09:36:02 PM
Fair play to Philadelphia. They deserve to win this game if they keep this up.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Redz on November 09, 2012, 09:37:14 PM
The effort has been there.

Which is kind of disheartening.

Hopefully they keep working hard here - win or lose.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: blink on November 09, 2012, 09:37:27 PM
great D KG!
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: snively on November 09, 2012, 09:38:34 PM
Terry finally breaking the passivity curse on C's scoring back-up guards.  Some great stuff working to his strong hand here in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: celticinorlando on November 09, 2012, 09:39:12 PM
Well through five games this team has not improved nor played any good basketball. They are regressing
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Kiorrik on November 09, 2012, 09:39:39 PM
This game needs more Perkins.

Blue collar type play, that's what we need. Scare teams a bit. Foul hard when we do foul. Too nice.

That, and we play like carp.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: letsgoblue86 on November 09, 2012, 09:40:05 PM
It's really ridiculous how Jeff Green doesn't do anything for this team
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: celticinorlando on November 09, 2012, 09:41:15 PM
Celts def. Look soft

I would rather have Pietrus than green. Green is a waste of money
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Redz on November 09, 2012, 09:42:00 PM
Arrghhh

Gotta sink that one Cap'n
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: vinnie on November 09, 2012, 09:42:57 PM
Just cut green now
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Redz on November 09, 2012, 09:43:22 PM
It's really ridiculous how Jeff Green doesn't do anything for this team

That exchange didn't do much for me to be able to argue
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: GronkSpike on November 09, 2012, 09:43:24 PM
Why is Green always sideways?
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Kiorrik on November 09, 2012, 09:44:21 PM
Why is Green always sideways?
Sounds like a joke? I'll bite: I dunno?
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: vinnie on November 09, 2012, 09:44:30 PM
I believe Green is the 4th highest paid player on the team.  :o
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: slamtheking on November 09, 2012, 09:44:31 PM
If Jeff Green keeps playing like this he'll have to change his name to something else because he's killing the Green with his play
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: snively on November 09, 2012, 09:44:50 PM
Actually a half-decent half from the C's.  Much better than the 1st half even if the results haven't been much better.  They look less helpless on both ends.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: blink on November 09, 2012, 09:45:17 PM
Why do we always lose the rebound battle?
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Big Rondo on November 09, 2012, 09:45:59 PM
Dec 15th can't get here soon enough. Green/Lee/Sully/Melo/1st for Josh Smith. Goodbye Green, hello NBA Finals.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: blink on November 09, 2012, 09:46:32 PM
omg, I am seriously sick of seeing layups by philly
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: vinnie on November 09, 2012, 09:46:33 PM
This team is pure garbage. But t least they are trying.  ::)
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: mgent on November 09, 2012, 09:47:02 PM
Putting Green in for Wilcox was genius.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: mgent on November 09, 2012, 09:49:04 PM
Could've used that one.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: vinnie on November 09, 2012, 09:50:50 PM
Hey. Looks like they finally decided to play. >:(
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Redz on November 09, 2012, 09:51:26 PM
This team is pure garbage. But t least they are trying.  ::)

Don't roll your eyes at effort.

That effort has them with a chance to win still, instead of being run off the floor.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: mgent on November 09, 2012, 09:52:09 PM
That wasn't a foul.  Barbosa has been playing great defense.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: vinnie on November 09, 2012, 09:52:27 PM
Lose tonight and they still haven't beaten a team with a pulse.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Cman on November 09, 2012, 09:52:40 PM
Gotta hit the FTs
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: blink on November 09, 2012, 09:53:41 PM
I have to agree that the effort was better tonight.  But still not as good as it needs to be.  Philly always plays us hard.  They have been playing well tonight. 
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Redz on November 09, 2012, 09:55:28 PM
Lose tonight and they still haven't beaten a team with a pulse.

Getting outplayed from start to finish on your home court is not a good habit to get into.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: slamtheking on November 09, 2012, 09:55:33 PM
is it just me or does Rondo seem really off this year with his ballhandling and passing?  I know he's got loads of assists but he looks like a turnover ready to happen this year -- this game in particular seems to accentuate that.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Kiorrik on November 09, 2012, 09:56:08 PM
is it just me or does Rondo seem really off this year with his ballhandling and passing?  I know he's got loads of assists but he looks like a turnover ready to happen this year -- this game in particular seems to accentuate that.
I think today he started turning it over after tweaking his ankle or something. Not sure though.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: vinnie on November 09, 2012, 09:56:29 PM
I just don't see why excuses are being made for this team's poor play. Dallas has 9 new players, their best player is hurt, and they are 4-1. Just no excuse for this crap.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Fan from VT on November 09, 2012, 09:58:03 PM
We look slow.

This is not a good sign for a team that plays a PF at C and undersized PFs. Such a team should be fast.

Our "depth" is looking extremely overrated. Depth only matters if it is quality and it is backing up quality starting. This is not the case with the c's. Ugly.

Green? yuck.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: snively on November 09, 2012, 09:58:08 PM
is it just me or does Rondo seem really off this year with his ballhandling and passing?  I know he's got loads of assists but he looks like a turnover ready to happen this year -- this game in particular seems to accentuate that.

His turnovers are actually down.  I think you're just putting too much weight in a few stray passes.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: blink on November 09, 2012, 09:59:48 PM
the c's have a long way to go on the D side of the ball.  I guess like everyone else we should have had more modest expectations out of the gate, but it is so frustrating seeing a great def. team from last year turn into this.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: slamtheking on November 09, 2012, 09:59:58 PM
is it just me or does Rondo seem really off this year with his ballhandling and passing?  I know he's got loads of assists but he looks like a turnover ready to happen this year -- this game in particular seems to accentuate that.

His turnovers are actually down.  I think you're just putting too much weight in a few stray passes.
maybe.  it just seems like he's not in control of the ball like he's been in the past.  of course that could be related to the C's looking totally clueless on offense
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: CelticSooner on November 09, 2012, 10:01:12 PM
I'm not going to get mad about the 5th game. That said there are some guys getting paid big money and not producing. Looking at you Lee and Green.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Redz on November 09, 2012, 10:02:09 PM
I just don't see why excuses are being made for this team's poor play. Dallas has 9 new players, their best player is hurt, and they are 4-1. Just no excuse for this crap.

Who is making excuses?

They're playing like crap. They're not jelling.  But 2-3 or 4-1 starts mean very little in the long haul. 

Obviously if they play like this all year it will be an absolute nightmare, but are you really throwing in the towel after 5 games?  You have no faith that they'll improve over the course of a season?

To me, that's the joy of a season - watching how a team develops (or doesn't).  Even when they sucked, I still enjoyed seeing that process.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: CeltsRoxfan on November 09, 2012, 10:02:19 PM
I'm not going to get mad about the 5th game. That said their are some guys getting paid big money and not producing. Looking at you Lee and Green.

Lee actually had a great start and shot well. I'm suprised he didn't play more. Green on the other hand...
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: snively on November 09, 2012, 10:02:19 PM
It's a loss, but the C's figured out some things in the 2nd half.  Simplified the offense, upped the defensive intensity.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Big Rondo on November 09, 2012, 10:02:23 PM
We should have never made the Perkins trade. That has GOT to be one of the biggest blunders in Boston sports history.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: PhoSita on November 09, 2012, 10:02:26 PM
Didn't watch the game, but I'm assuming this game for Rondo was pretty bad as 20 assist performances go.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 09, 2012, 10:02:37 PM
So bad and so frustratng.  It's like they forgot how to play.  I expect it to take time but they just so difficult to watch right now.

Jeff Green is shocking me -- I do not understand how he can look so completely lost. 

1-2 at home and the win in OT against one of the league's worst.  This is  not just a bad/slow start.  Not saying they won't get it together but I did not expect it to be this bad. 
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: snively on November 09, 2012, 10:03:00 PM
I just don't see why excuses are being made for this team's poor play. Dallas has 9 new players, their best player is hurt, and they are 4-1. Just no excuse for this crap.

Who is making excuses?

They're playing like crap. They're not jelling.  But 2-3 or 4-1 starts mean very little in the long haul. 

Obviously if they play like this all year it will be an absolute nightmare, but are you really throwing in the towel after 5 games?  You have no faith that they'll improve over the course of a season?

To me, that's the joy of a season - watching how a team develops (or doesn't).  Even when they sucked, I still enjoyed seeing that process.

Vinnie does this every game/season.  It's his thing.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: PhoSita on November 09, 2012, 10:03:15 PM
We should have never made the Perkins trade. That has GOT to be one of the biggest blunders in Boston sports history.

Yeah, because Perk has been playing like an All-Star since he went to OKC and he totally would get on the floor in a matchup with our main rival in the conference.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Kiorrik on November 09, 2012, 10:03:35 PM
I just don't see why excuses are being made for this team's poor play. Dallas has 9 new players, their best player is hurt, and they are 4-1. Just no excuse for this crap.

Who is making excuses?
I was about to post the same thing. I'm sure there's *someone* who's making excuses, but this game thread has mainly been filled with "wow, we're not doing much" and worse...
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 09, 2012, 10:04:18 PM
I don;t get how we can't defend the pick and roll anymore.  It doesn't make any sense.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: vinnie on November 09, 2012, 10:04:38 PM
I just don't see why excuses are being made for this team's poor play. Dallas has 9 new players, their best player is hurt, and they are 4-1. Just no excuse for this crap.

Who is making excuses?

They're playing like crap. They're not jelling.  But 2-3 or 4-1 starts mean very little in the long haul. 

Obviously if they play like this all year it will be an absolute nightmare, but are you really throwing in the towel after 5 games?  You have no faith that they'll improve over the course of a season?

To me, that's the joy of a season - watching how a team develops (or doesn't).  Even when they sucked, I still enjoyed seeing that process.

Bottom line is there is no excuse for this crap. I will repeat what I said the other night. This looks like a team of mismatched parts. Not going to be a true contender in its current form.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: snively on November 09, 2012, 10:06:12 PM
Didn't watch the game, but I'm assuming this game for Rondo was pretty bad as 20 assist performances go.

Only saw the 2nd half, but he was good in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: PhoSita on November 09, 2012, 10:06:12 PM


Jeff Green is shocking me -- I do not understand how he can look so completely lost. 


Early in the season, but I do think that we're gradually reaching the point where we might just have to chalk up Green's contract as a sunk cost and move on.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Big Rondo on November 09, 2012, 10:06:22 PM
We should have never made the Perkins trade. That has GOT to be one of the biggest blunders in Boston sports history.

Yeah, because Perk has been playing like an All-Star since he went to OKC and he totally would get on the floor in a matchup with our main rival in the conference.

Chemistry. 2011 run w/ Shaq. Jeff Green.

3 Definitive reasons to have kept him right there.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Larry for 3 on November 09, 2012, 10:06:29 PM
Dec 15th can't get here soon enough. Green/Lee/Sully/Melo/1st for Josh Smith. Goodbye Green, hello NBA Finals.

Why would anyone in the NBA take Jeff Green's contract? He stinks now and is way overpaid. I would think bradley would have to be part of a  deal like this,  but I like how your thinking. Some combo of players on this roster for Smith.  Smith and KG in the paint-  That will solve our rebounding problems.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: hpantazo on November 09, 2012, 10:07:05 PM
We were a little bit better tonight, but we still couldn't maintain any good play for too long. The worst part is that we could have easily won this game if we had played just one good quarter.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Redz on November 09, 2012, 10:07:28 PM
I just don't see why excuses are being made for this team's poor play. Dallas has 9 new players, their best player is hurt, and they are 4-1. Just no excuse for this crap.

Who is making excuses?

They're playing like crap. They're not jelling.  But 2-3 or 4-1 starts mean very little in the long haul. 

Obviously if they play like this all year it will be an absolute nightmare, but are you really throwing in the towel after 5 games?  You have no faith that they'll improve over the course of a season?

To me, that's the joy of a season - watching how a team develops (or doesn't).  Even when they sucked, I still enjoyed seeing that process.

Bottom line is there is no excuse for this crap. I will repeat what I said the other night. This looks like a team of mismatched parts. Not going to be a true contender in its current form.

Again. Who is making excuses?

I haven't seen any Celtics who aren't owning up to the results.  They know this is not good.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 09, 2012, 10:08:12 PM
I just don't see why excuses are being made for this team's poor play. Dallas has 9 new players, their best player is hurt, and they are 4-1. Just no excuse for this crap.

Who is making excuses?

They're playing like crap. They're not jelling.  But 2-3 or 4-1 starts mean very little in the long haul. 

Obviously if they play like this all year it will be an absolute nightmare, but are you really throwing in the towel after 5 games?  You have no faith that they'll improve over the course of a season?

To me, that's the joy of a season - watching how a team develops (or doesn't).  Even when they sucked, I still enjoyed seeing that process.

Bottom line is there is no excuse for this crap. I will repeat what I said the other night. This looks like a team of mismatched parts. Not going to be a true contender in its current form.

I can't conclude that this team won't get it together.  I am pretty sure you and others were counting the C's out early last year. 

They have been terrible but I am not certain that they won't work this out. 
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: ummidkme on November 09, 2012, 10:09:43 PM
positives:

rondo 5 games of consistent double-doubles
pierce: even when shooting bad can still get you 24 points
kg: still got it
lee: much better showing Doc didn't go to him much in the 2nd half
jet: finding his touch

found a lineup that works:
rondo-pierce-jet-kg-wilcox
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: albas89 on November 09, 2012, 10:15:48 PM
positives:

rondo 5 games of consistent double-doubles
pierce: even when shooting bad can still get you 24 points
kg: still got it
lee: much better showing Doc didn't go to him much in the 2nd half
jet: finding his touch

found a lineup that works:
rondo-pierce-jet-kg-wilcox

There's another positive: Jeff Green has hit rock bottom, so it can't get much worse than that! oh wait, did I say that last game as well...?? :-X
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Celtics18 on November 09, 2012, 10:16:36 PM
I'm encouraged by this team.  I feel like they are close to going on a nice little run soon. 

Fun game.  Nice job, Philly.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Redz on November 09, 2012, 10:17:47 PM
I just don't see why excuses are being made for this team's poor play. Dallas has 9 new players, their best player is hurt, and they are 4-1. Just no excuse for this crap.

Who is making excuses?

They're playing like crap. They're not jelling.  But 2-3 or 4-1 starts mean very little in the long haul. 

Obviously if they play like this all year it will be an absolute nightmare, but are you really throwing in the towel after 5 games?  You have no faith that they'll improve over the course of a season?

To me, that's the joy of a season - watching how a team develops (or doesn't).  Even when they sucked, I still enjoyed seeing that process.

Bottom line is there is no excuse for this crap. I will repeat what I said the other night. This looks like a team of mismatched parts. Not going to be a true contender in its current form.

I can't conclude that this team won't get it together.  I am pretty sure you and others were counting the C's out early last year. 

They have been terrible but I am not certain that they won't work this out.

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Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on November 09, 2012, 10:28:03 PM
Pretty good efforts from KG, Pierce, and Jet (nice to see his shooting rounding into form).

Rondo's 20 assists is a good thing, but his shooting was bad.

33 points from the bench is decent.

But the negatives still far outweigh the positives at this point.

I see so much potential in Jeff Green, but he seems clueless right now.

Defense? Pfff. Most of these guys are playing like they're brand new to basketball and never saw the pick-and-roll until two weeks ago.

I'm starting to wonder if a lot of these guys just can't get the defensive concepts ... like, can't mentally comprehend them. Because through 8 preseason games, 5 regular-season games, and already more practices than they had last season, I've seen no improvement in the team's pick-and-roll defense.

Boston is also allowing guys into the paint way too easily, even on non-pick-and-roll plays. KG is the only current rotation player whom opponents might think twice about going up against. We need Darko in there, plus more of Wilcox.

And Doc, if you're listening, the Bass/Sully combo is terrible. Put it to sleep. It gives up way too much size and shotblocking.

I also think the last few games should serve to temper our expectations for Sullinger. 4 points and 4 rebounds in a starting role isn't gonna cut it.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Tradetime on November 09, 2012, 10:31:27 PM
positives:

rondo 5 games of consistent double-doubles
pierce: even when shooting bad can still get you 24 points
kg: still got it
lee: much better showing Doc didn't go to him much in the 2nd half
jet: finding his touch

found a lineup that works:
rondo-pierce-jet-kg-wilcox

Wilcox. When he's at center, we look a hell of a lot more cohesive as a unit out there. As soon as we succumb to "small ball," and Wilcox left the game, I knew we were done.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on November 09, 2012, 10:32:46 PM
And just to clarify, I still believe that these guys can get it together, even though I admit that their progression is going a lot slower than I'd anticipated or hoped for.

Which kinda makes it not fun as a fan. I mean, all summer long I looked forward to the new season, enjoying all the new acquisitions, seeing the firepower unleashed, but, as has been typical of this team in recent years, it seems that we'll be fortunate if we get a couple of good months toward the end of the season, and everything between now and then will be nearly as bad as not having basketball.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on November 09, 2012, 10:41:24 PM
Oh, and one more thing: What's up with struggling teams having their breakout game against the Cs?

Mike Gorman said it best during tonight's broadcast (and I'm paraphrasing here):

"There's a lot of guys not playing well this season who play well against Boston."

That was about the time that the slumping Nick Young started draining threes.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Who on November 09, 2012, 10:43:45 PM
I'd like to see them open up the offense some more. More pace. More pick and rolls. More dribble penetration. Similar to what San Antonio did a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: JoT on November 09, 2012, 10:48:56 PM
I didn't watch the game but from looking at the comments I can tell
1) Doc is still in love with small ball (Im seriously trying to understand why is he putting Bass and Jared in TOGETHER)
2) Jeff was a no show... again (I'm trying to give him a chance and I'm trying to root for him but either he has to show up or I hope Danny sends him off somewhere for another player who's better)
3) the fact that Rondo had 20 assists in this mess of an offense is amazing within itself.
Also he's one of the only three players ever to consecutively have 10+ assists with Stockton and Magic.
4) KG has not only shown up but he is still one of if not the most important players on the team.

All in all its 5 games in, but something needs to be done. Jeff needs to watch the interviews from the summer, watch his preseason games heck go back to Georgetown or something and bring the assertiveness and aggressiveness he promised.
Also why do they have big men if they are not going to be used. I just wish the small ball would stop already or at least limit it.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Kuberski1 on November 09, 2012, 11:00:17 PM
Look decent in stretches in the 2nd half.  Line-ups need work.

Start: Rondo, Lee, PP, Bass, KG
Bench: Barbosa, Terry, Green, Sully, Wilcox

No more Bass and Sully manning the 4-5....too weak on interior D.  Consider Darko for Sully on the 2nd team, pairing with Wilcox.

Still hopeful, but man was that bad...
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: crimson_stallion on November 09, 2012, 11:01:32 PM
The good thing I can take out of this is at at least we are playing well in portions - the first couple of games we played attrocious the entire game.

Against Washington for example we were pretty solid in the first quarter, third quarter and in overtime.  We sucked  anus in the second and fourth.

Today was similar - we sucked badly in the first half, but we showed some real fight in the second.

I don't think I need to point too much at the things we did badly in this game, because they are obvious.  Instead I'm going to mainly point out the things I liked:

1. The Big Three
Kevin Garnett has been outstanding - he's pretty much playing at the same intense level as he did in the playoffs last season, despite it only being 5 games in. Love this guy!

Rondo has been pretty spectacular as well.  Yeah he's made some questionable decisions here and there but his scoring and assists are up, his turnovers are down and his FG% and 3PT% are both way up (though he didn't shoot well tonight).  You can't argue with 20 assists - that's 40% of our scoring tonight coming off of Rondo's assists.

Despite the number of complaints about him, Pierce has been strong as well.  He's struggling with his midrange jumper, but he did so last year as well.  The important thing is that when his shot isn't falling he's finding other ways to score / contribute (24 points on 8-16 shooting, along with 5 assists and 4 rebouds).

2. Terry
He started his first 3 games pretty slow, but the last two games Terry has given us the type of offense I had been expecting from him.  He is averaging 14.5 over the last two games on 12-22 FG (55%), 4-9 3PT (45%) and 5-5 FT (100%).  He's also averaging 2 ASS:TO over those two games, and he's plays some intense defense in some of that time as well.  He has been pretty invisible in the first half of games, but he's been coming out pretty strong in the second half.

3. Barbosa
Barbosa hasn't gotten a huge number of minutes and he hasn't been especially aggressive on offense, but overall I like what he's given us.  He's plays surprisingly solid defense (which I didn't expect), he's scored very efficiently, and he hasn't made any stupid mistakes.  Plus he's still fast as lightning out there.

4. Wilcox
Wilcox has been fantastic.  He was non-existent in his first 2 or 3 games due to conditioning, but he has absolutely made the most of every minute on the court.  Doc has been steadilly increasing those minutes (he played 12 tonight) and every minute Wilcox is on the court, that's one extra minute that we don't have Sully or Bass playing center.

5. Bass
Bass hass been decent, if not outstanding.  He's been surprisingly inconsistent (usually he's the model of consistency) and has been giving us excellent games followed by mediocre games.  Prior to today he has been averaging 7.5 rebounds per 30 minutes (as opposed to 5.9 RP30 last season) which is s big improvement.  He's also been more aggressive attacking the basket which I like. His jumper hasn't been quite as lethal as last year though, but I'm hoping he'll get that back.  He adds some aggressiveness to the second unit which I think works very well for us.

6. Proper Small Ball
One thing that I learned today is that if we do play small ball, it needs to be proper small ball. 

The potential benefits of small ball are two-fold:

1. You increase your quickness on defensive rotations
2. Nore perimeter shooting to help stretch the floor

With Sullinger at the 5 and Bass at the 4 we are not playing proper small ball, because:

1. Sully doesn't really stretch the floor
2. Sully + Bass doesn't give is any quickness advantage

The result is that we get all the negatives of playing small ball (i.e. we are smaller) but none of the benefits (we lack scoring and our defense sucks).

Towards the end of the game today Doc went proper small with KG/Wilcox at C, Pierce/Green at PF and three guards (Terry/Rondo/Barbosa/Lee) on the perimeter.  As soon as he did this our perimeter defense improved dramatically, the quick hands of our bigs were disrupting their interior offense, our perimeter shooters helped to spread the floor, and we were out running on the fast breaks. 

If Doc wants to play small ball THIS is the type of rotation he needs to go with.

More impressive is that it was the first time we've seen Doc go with that type of lineup this season, and they it already fit like clockwork.  There were a few minutes there where our defense really looked like Celtics D.

Now, for the bad...

Somebody needs to tell Sullinger and Green that we are still in the preseason. 

Sullinger was playing with a real sense of aggression in the preseason, like he had nothing to loose.  He was going hard after rebounds, boxing out constantly, wasn't afraid to bang inside, and was doing a great job of getting to the line.  Regular season he's been much more passive - it's almost like he knows he's a rookie, so he needs to take a backseat and let the veterans show him how it's done.  Hell no! It was his aggression and confidence in the preseason that made him look like a 5 year veteran out there, and he needs to get back to that if we are going to be an elite team.

Similar words for Green - I get the feeling his issues right now are all confidence related.  In the preseason when games didn't count, he was never shy about taking his shot.  Even if he had a guy on him he would try to blow by him on defense, or he'd try to post him up, or with shorter guys he'd pull up and shoot over them.  It seemed like he was playing relatively fearless because he knew the games didn't matter, and he was playing great as a result.  Regular season and now the games count - as soon as he touches the ball he holds it and waits...then when a defender comes within 5 feet of him he picks up the ball, holds it long enough for the defense to set up, and then tries to throw a bail-out pass to KG or Rondo.  It looks to me like he's afraid of having his shot blocked, afraid of missing or afraid of being seen as a ballhog. None of that here!! He needs to pretend these are pickup games - I don't care if he turns the ball over, if he clangs off the front rim or if he doesn't seen an open guy in the corner...he needs to look to score every time he touches the ball, and the rest will come.   Last season Doc came to KG with the '20 shot' rule - every night he needed to take 20 shot attempts. He needs to go to Green with a '10 shot' rule - if he doesn't take at least 10 FG attempts every night, he's getting benched.

Lee has been pretty unspectacular, but I didn't expect a huge amount from him...he was always going to be a filler rather than a key piece IMHO.  Green and Sullinger however are key pieces to this team - we desperately need the skillsets they bring to the game.  As those guys go, so will this team.

December 15 is a good date.  It's a full month from now, so by that time we will be able to see once and for all what these guys are made of.  I couldn't give up on them just yet because it's way too early, but if Sully and Green haven't picked up their game by December 15 I'd be sending them out (along with possibly Lee) in an attempt to get a proper starting big who isn't afraid to play with aggression - Millsap, Smith, Varejao, Hickson, Sanders, Laundry...take your pick. 
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Clench123 on November 09, 2012, 11:03:51 PM
Is it time to panic yet?  Because I'm about to start freaking out.  This is just unacceptable.  Utterly ridiculous.  I hope they get it together
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: ummidkme on November 09, 2012, 11:24:21 PM
@GregPayne_ESPN: Rondo on when KG leaves the game: "It's chaos."

Sad, funny and true.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Atzar on November 09, 2012, 11:52:32 PM
The team needs to find an identity when KG sits.  If it can't stop anybody, then it needs to put its best offensive unit on the floor and make sure it can score with people.  As it is, the entire gameplan just crumbles and we can't win consistently that way.

Not worried about Lee or Green.  They'll get it going.  In Green's case, I think they need to make an effort to find him more minutes and feature him in the second unit's offense.  He just looks like an afterthought at this point.  Put him in a position where he needs to be aggressive to fill his role. 

The biggest problem from my position is that this is still a jumpshooting team.  They just don't get many shots at the rim, and that's been the case for the last couple of years.  They desperately need to find a way to get easy points.  Rondo, Pierce, KG, Sully, Jet and Green all have the ability to get shots in the paint.  Bradley, when he returns, can also score in the paint off of cuts.  They need to utilize all of these options to generate some better shots.  Every open shot is a long jumpshot for this team right now.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on November 09, 2012, 11:52:44 PM
Look decent in stretches in the 2nd half.  Line-ups need work.

Start: Rondo, Lee, PP, Bass, KG
Bench: Barbosa, Terry, Green, Sully, Wilcox

No more Bass and Sully manning the 4-5....too weak on interior D.  Consider Darko for Sully on the 2nd team, pairing with Wilcox.

Still hopeful, but man was that bad...

This. I still don't know why we're going slow-small ball. We have the bigs, Doc has to use them.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: j804 on November 10, 2012, 02:06:05 AM
It's too bad Doc is stubborn, in postgame he said Darko will remain on the end of the bench and won't be seeing minutes. He loves his small ball ::)
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: j804 on November 10, 2012, 02:08:41 AM
I'd like to see them open up the offense some more. More pace. More pick and rolls. More dribble penetration. Similar to what San Antonio did a couple of years ago.
Docs teams don't dribble penetrate and take it to the rack, nor do they rebound.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: crimson_stallion on November 10, 2012, 02:46:03 AM
It's too bad Doc is stubborn, in postgame he said Darko will remain on the end of the bench and won't be seeing minutes. He loves his small ball ::)

This is seriously depressing news if true...
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: greenhead85 on November 10, 2012, 05:05:27 AM
The game revealed that the Sixers are a title-contending team. With Bynum (when he comes back) in the middle, backed up by either Lavoy and Hawes, quarterbacked by Jrue and complemented by wings like Evan Turner, N Young and D Wright, plus coupled by youth, they are a team to reckon with in the playoffs. In fact, they match well against the Heat.

They are so good in team rebounding, scoring in transition, defending the paint and challenging one-on-one every player we had. Frankly, the Doc got out-coached by Doug Collins.

Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 10, 2012, 07:50:50 AM
The game revealed that the Sixers are a title-contending team. With Bynum (when he comes back) in the middle, backed up by either Lavoy and Hawes, quarterbacked by Jrue and complemented by wings like Evan Turner, N Young and D Wright, plus coupled by youth, they are a team to reckon with in the playoffs. In fact, they match well against the Heat.

They are so good in team rebounding, scoring in transition, defending the paint and challenging one-on-one every player we had. Frankly, the Doc got out-coached by Doug Collins.

Doug Collins could win 2-3 Championships if he was coaching the Lakers right now.  Celtics are lucky he is already employeed


small ball is a joke, if the Celtics had three 25 year old Paul Pierces maybe .  Our main players KG and PP are TOO old to run 40 minutes like a pair of 19 year olds.

This teams needs strong tall bigs and play like LA , is their best chance at sucess.

Doc is heading this team in the opposite direction that will work.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: greenhead85 on November 10, 2012, 08:30:38 AM
The game revealed that the Sixers are a title-contending team. With Bynum (when he comes back) in the middle, backed up by either Lavoy and Hawes, quarterbacked by Jrue and complemented by wings like Evan Turner, N Young and D Wright, plus coupled by youth, they are a team to reckon with in the playoffs. In fact, they match well against the Heat.

They are so good in team rebounding, scoring in transition, defending the paint and challenging one-on-one every player we had. Frankly, the Doc got out-coached by Doug Collins.

Doug Collins could win 2-3 Championships if he was coaching the Lakers right now.  Celtics are lucky he is already employeed


small ball is a joke, if the Celtics had three 25 year old Paul Pierces maybe .  Our main players KG and PP are TOO old to run 40 minutes like a pair of 19 year olds.

This teams needs strong tall bigs and play like LA , is their best chance at sucess.

Doc is heading this team in the opposite direction that will work.

Exactly.

KG and PP should only be playing between 25 and 28 minutes per game and must bring out their best during those  moments while on the floor to be effective and be able to make an impact offensively and defensively. I think KG must go back to playing 4 and has to alternate with either Jared or Bass. We need Darko or Collins or Melo at 5 and let them  use up all their energies and bodies protecting the paint. I also think that PP must come off the bench to sub Green so that Green could find his groove early in the season and watch if he can really bring it on. I couldnt recall in this game if Jeff was assigned against Turner or whoever played the SF on the Sixers side. I remember the Sixers double teaming him everytime he had the ball. Obviously, I believe they have some respect on Jeff's game posting down low on any SF assigned to him.

This Sixers team, when Bynum starts playing for them, is one hell of team. It could beat that LAL team. Dwight wont match well against him. Pau will have his hands full against Hawes and Lavoy. The 1, 2 and 3 players will definitely outrun their counterparts in LAL. Similarly, we wont have any to play against Bynum than any of the 5s I have mentioned to slow and body up on him for the whole game.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: scaryjerry on November 10, 2012, 09:28:03 AM
The game revealed that the Sixers are a title-contending team. With Bynum (when he comes back) in the middle, backed up by either Lavoy and Hawes, quarterbacked by Jrue and complemented by wings like Evan Turner, N Young and D Wright, plus coupled by youth, they are a team to reckon with in the playoffs. In fact, they match well against the Heat.

They are so good in team rebounding, scoring in transition, defending the paint and challenging one-on-one every player we had. Frankly, the Doc got out-coached by Doug Collins.


mmmm No, the sixers are in no way,shape or form title contenders..theyre another average team that gives the celtics problems.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: Redz on November 10, 2012, 10:18:11 AM
I didn't watch the game but from looking at the comments I can tell
2) Jeff was a no show... again (I'm trying to give him a chance and I'm trying to root for him but either he has to show up or I hope Danny sends him off somewhere for another player who's better)

All in all its 5 games in, but something needs to be done. Jeff needs to watch the interviews from the summer, watch his preseason games heck go back to Georgetown or something and bring the assertiveness and aggressiveness he promised.
Also why do they have big men if they are not going to be used. I just wish the small ball would stop already or at least limit it.

My personal Green lowlight du jour came in the 4th.  The Celts had a made a stop and seemed to have a shot at gaining some momentum.  Green had a path to the hoop.  He went up strong, and looked like he could have dunked it (like he was doing in the preseason).  While in the air he saw a defender closing in , so he twisted away from the hoop, - avoiding contact and screwing up his angle.  He missed the shot badly, stumbled when he landed, got beat down the floor, and saw his man hit a wide open three as a result.

He's got to take the contact there.  I just don't get how that mindset changes.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: crownsy on November 10, 2012, 10:22:16 AM
I didn't watch the game but from looking at the comments I can tell
2) Jeff was a no show... again (I'm trying to give him a chance and I'm trying to root for him but either he has to show up or I hope Danny sends him off somewhere for another player who's better)

All in all its 5 games in, but something needs to be done. Jeff needs to watch the interviews from the summer, watch his preseason games heck go back to Georgetown or something and bring the assertiveness and aggressiveness he promised.
Also why do they have big men if they are not going to be used. I just wish the small ball would stop already or at least limit it.

My personal Green lowlight du jour came in the 4th.  The Celts had a made a stop and seemed to have a shot at gaining some momentum.  Green had a path to the hoop.  He went up strong, and looked like he could have dunked it (like he was doing in the preseason).  While in the air he saw a defender closing in , so he twisted away from the hoop, - avoiding contact and screwing up his angle.  He missed the shot badly, stumbled when he landed, got beat down the floor, and saw his man hit a wide open three as a result.

He's got to take the contact there.  I just don't get how that mindset changes.

Yea, that was awful. I thought he got hit and there was a no call, but on replay he clearly turned to avoid, and while their was a bit of contact, when you turn to avoid like that the Ref is going to give the defender the benefit of the doubt.

Gotta force that contact and try to finish strong.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: crownsy on November 10, 2012, 10:25:05 AM
The game revealed that the Sixers are a title-contending team. With Bynum (when he comes back) in the middle, backed up by either Lavoy and Hawes, quarterbacked by Jrue and complemented by wings like Evan Turner, N Young and D Wright, plus coupled by youth, they are a team to reckon with in the playoffs. In fact, they match well against the Heat.

They are so good in team rebounding, scoring in transition, defending the paint and challenging one-on-one every player we had. Frankly, the Doc got out-coached by Doug Collins.


mmmm No, the sixers are in no way,shape or form title contenders..theyre another average team that gives the celtics problems.

If they keep bynum healthy (a big if) with turner now playing like a stud and there other pieces, there a second round playoff team.

They are not an "average" team. They are a good young team on the rise. How far they rise will be determined by if turner keeps improving and if bynum can stay healthy.
Title: Re: Sixers (2-2) at Celtics (2-2) 11/9
Post by: kozlodoev on November 10, 2012, 10:41:42 AM
I'd like to see them open up the offense some more. More pace. More pick and rolls. More dribble penetration. Similar to what San Antonio did a couple of years ago.
Docs teams don't dribble penetrate and take it to the rack, nor do they rebound.
Right, because it's Doc's fault that Rondo has taking a liking of pounding the life out of the ball.

I was at the game, so I couldn't see a box score in front of me, and from what I could see on the court in front of me Rondo looked like he was having a terrible game. Couldn't get the team into our offence, couldn't make anything happen in critical juncture of the game, forced everyone to take shots against double and triple teams.

I know he's going to get good press because of the 20 assists, but I'd be happy with 10 if he could actually make something happen when we're on a run.