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Title: [discussion of drugs not allowed] on Celtics Blog?
Post by: KG Living Legend on November 07, 2012, 03:00:02 PM
 I was rather appalled to see the thread on Herb being legalized in Colorado and Washington to be terminated. As proven now in the States that are legalizing this medicinal's plants use, for either medical reasons or recreational use.

 We the people are changing the laws because among other reasons we recognize that is safer than alcohol for a recreational drug, and much safer for medical use than Paxil,Prozac,****,Hydrocodone, Oxycontins, Etc.

 If we as Americans and also as Citizens of the world, do not have the freedom to exercise are first amendment rights to simply discuss the pro's and con's of something that has widely been considered a Medical tool for thousands of years. Meanwhile drugs being created in the last five or ten years, sometimes we are being experimented on by drugs that are brand new with little to no knowledge of the short and long term health implications. Some of these drugs are destroying are Liver and Kidneys, Organs responsible for filtering and detoxifying the body.

 If we can't discuss them here, than what does that say about are freedom as Human Beings.
Title: Re: Free Speech illegal on Celtics Blog?
Post by: Donoghus on November 07, 2012, 03:03:39 PM
Look at the posting rules.  No one ever said this place was governed by the laws of freedom of speech.

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•The staff may lock or delete any thread, for any reason.  Threads that involve illegal or particularly inflammatory topics, such as legalization of drugs or abortion, will be locked on a preemptive basis. 

Jeff's site, Jeff's rules.
Title: Re: Free Speech illegal on Celtics Blog?
Post by: Interceptor on November 07, 2012, 03:05:42 PM
There are only two no-no topics... still leaves plenty to discuss.
Title: Re: Free Speech illegal on Celtics Blog?
Post by: indeedproceed on November 07, 2012, 03:07:02 PM
No drugs, no abortion, no sexual innuendo, no swearing, be nice to each other. Those are pretty much the rules. There are a few more specific rules, but those are pretty much it. If you're going to get outraged about it, well..rage on. But within the confines of the rules.
Title: Re: Free Speech illegal on Celtics Blog?
Post by: Roy H. on November 07, 2012, 03:07:40 PM
I love the free speech argument.

Quote from: CelticsBlog Posting Rules
  • No matter what you may believe to the contrary, it is highly unlikely that anything done on this blog is violating your First Amendment rights.  The full text of the First Amendment can be found here (http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html#amendmenti).  Nothing in such Amendment applies to the restriction of speech by non-government entities or actors, including the staff of this blog.
Title: Re: Free Speech illegal on Celtics Blog?
Post by: Rondo2287 on November 07, 2012, 03:19:28 PM
So just a question, at what point of legalization will the staff consider Marijauna to be like Alcohol, which is still a drug but an allowable topic on the blog.
Title: Re: Free Speech illegal on Celtics Blog?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on November 07, 2012, 03:20:58 PM
I believe the rules does not allow post that involves drugs and stuff.
Title: Re: Free Speech illegal on Celtics Blog?
Post by: Roy H. on November 07, 2012, 03:25:05 PM
So just a question, at what point of legalization will the staff consider Marijauna to be like Alcohol, which is still a drug but an allowable topic on the blog.

No idea.  Probably after it's no longer illegally federally, although even then I'm not sure we want a lot of stoner stories.
Title: Re: [discussion of drugs not allowed] on Celtics Blog?
Post by: Jeff on November 07, 2012, 03:28:23 PM
I fixed your title.  Have a nice day.
Title: Re: [discussion of drugs not allowed] on Celtics Blog?
Post by: angryguy77 on November 07, 2012, 03:33:08 PM
Drugs are bad mmm k. Look no further than many of the trade threads on this site and you'll see what they can do to a person's mind.
Title: Re: [discussion of drugs not allowed] on Celtics Blog?
Post by: Brendan on November 07, 2012, 04:17:54 PM
Drugs are bad mmm k. Look no further than many of the trade threads on this site and you'll see what they can do to a person's mind.
or election results LOL.
Title: Re: [discussion of drugs not allowed] on Celtics Blog?
Post by: Kiorrik on November 07, 2012, 04:26:47 PM
Jeff's house, no smoking allowed.
Title: Re: [discussion of drugs not allowed] on Celtics Blog?
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on November 07, 2012, 04:28:07 PM
[Edited.]  What part of "don't discuss drug use" wasn't clear?

Last warning.
Title: Re: [discussion of drugs not allowed] on Celtics Blog?
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on November 07, 2012, 04:33:10 PM
man roy u be comin thru wit da quickness to edit my post rofl why so serious?
Title: Re: [discussion of drugs not allowed] on Celtics Blog?
Post by: AB_Celtic on November 07, 2012, 04:39:01 PM
Way I see it, there are plenty of other places to discuss that kind of stuff. This is a Celtics forum. No problems keeping it that way.
Title: Re: [discussion of drugs not allowed] on Celtics Blog?
Post by: Edgar on November 07, 2012, 04:42:37 PM
well theres place for other topics, No for the one here
Title: Re: [discussion of drugs not allowed] on Celtics Blog?
Post by: AB_Celtic on November 07, 2012, 04:55:14 PM
I'm pretty sure this thread is a prime example of why this topic isn't allowed. It leads to controversy.

Let's all calm down.
Title: Re: Free Speech illegal on Celtics Blog?
Post by: guava_wrench on November 07, 2012, 06:39:12 PM
So just a question, at what point of legalization will the staff consider Marijauna to be like Alcohol, which is still a drug but an allowable topic on the blog.

No idea.  Probably after it's no longer illegally federally, although even then I'm not sure we want a lot of stoner stories.
The first half makes sense, though medical marijuana is no longer classified with the drugs we wouldn't be able to talk about with laws like here in MA. Obviously, we can talk about aspirin, prescription drugs, and we have thread on beers.

The second half of the previous post is nothing more than being judgmental considering the beer threads. If a drug that you don't like is as accessible as beer, then you should probably stop the beer talk too if you want to be that prudish.

It is 100% the prerogative of the owner of the blog to define what content is appropriate. I suspect that person prefers rules that makes sense, and I find the rules to be quite reasonable and conducive to a good experience. As our political threads tend to show, we can have discussions on things we disagree with and people who can't handle it can stay out. "Free speech" is irrelevant. People can say what they want, but no one has the obligation to host our speech on their blog or on their forums.
Title: Re: [discussion of drugs not allowed] on Celtics Blog?
Post by: PaulPierce34G on November 07, 2012, 06:49:03 PM
I think it's just a matter of many of these topics being sensitive to a lot of people. 

While I'm sure many of us are down for a good debate, these topics can sometimes lead to extremely heated arguments to the point where people just start bashing one another rather than sticking to or defending their debate/argument. 

I have my beliefs in various aspects of life and everyone else has theirs.  If someone agrees with me, that's great.  If not, then that's their choice.  I just leave it at that. 
Title: Re: [discussion of drugs not allowed] on Celtics Blog?
Post by: guava_wrench on November 07, 2012, 07:10:17 PM
I think it's just a matter of many of these topics are sensitive to a lot of people. 

While I'm sure many of us are down for a good debate, these topics can sometimes lead to very, very heated arguments to the point where people just start bashing one another rather than sticking to their debate/argument. 

I have my beliefs in various aspects of life and everyone else has theirs.  If someone agrees with me, that's great.  If not, then that's their choice.  I just leave it at that.
I don't see how the topic of drugs is anywhere near as heated as discussions of politics. Tax talk leads to far more heated debate than talk of our recent ballot initiative in MA (which is great news!). I assume that banning drug talk makes sense because the blog doesn't want to be perceived as condoning breaking the law. Clearly the blog is okay with talking about mind altering substances since there is booze talk (though I haven't seen talk about alcohol abuse).

I assume by drugs we are talking about illegal drugs.
Title: Re: [discussion of drugs not allowed] on Celtics Blog?
Post by: PaulPierce34G on November 07, 2012, 07:24:26 PM
I think it's just a matter of many of these topics are sensitive to a lot of people. 

While I'm sure many of us are down for a good debate, these topics can sometimes lead to very, very heated arguments to the point where people just start bashing one another rather than sticking to their debate/argument. 

I have my beliefs in various aspects of life and everyone else has theirs.  If someone agrees with me, that's great.  If not, then that's their choice.  I just leave it at that.
I don't see how the topic of drugs is anywhere near as heated as discussions of politics. Tax talk leads to far more heated debate than talk of our recent ballot initiative in MA (which is great news!). I assume that banning drug talk makes sense because the blog doesn't want to be perceived as condoning breaking the law. Clearly the blog is okay with talking about mind altering substances since there is booze talk (though I haven't seen talk about alcohol abuse).

I assume by drugs we are talking about illegal drugs.


As I said, everyone has their beliefs in regard to what they deem right or wrong...to each their own.

At the end of the day, this blog has rules that we have to follow whether we like them or not.  Just like when you go to various places (ie some restaurants) and there is jacket and tie rule.  I hate wearing ties sometimes, but you've got to do it if you are going to certain venues...rules need to be respected.   





Title: Re: Free Speech illegal on Celtics Blog?
Post by: Roy H. on November 07, 2012, 07:25:07 PM
So just a question, at what point of legalization will the staff consider Marijauna to be like Alcohol, which is still a drug but an allowable topic on the blog.

No idea.  Probably after it's no longer illegally federally, although even then I'm not sure we want a lot of stoner stories.
The first half makes sense, though medical marijuana is no longer classified with the drugs we wouldn't be able to talk about with laws like here in MA. Obviously, we can talk about aspirin, prescription drugs, and we have thread on beers.

The second half of the previous post is nothing more than being judgmental considering the beer threads. If a drug that you don't like is as accessible as beer, then you should probably stop the beer talk too if you want to be that prudish.

It is 100% the prerogative of the owner of the blog to define what content is appropriate. I suspect that person prefers rules that makes sense, and I find the rules to be quite reasonable and conducive to a good experience. As our political threads tend to show, we can have discussions on things we disagree with and people who can't handle it can stay out. "Free speech" is irrelevant. People can say what they want, but no one has the obligation to host our speech on their blog or on their forums.

No, from experience, the pot smokers have handled themselves with a lot less maturity than the beer drinkers on here.  People haven't been able to rationally discuss marijuana without a lot of "420" type posts.

It's not like the rule just sprang up out of nowhere; there's a history behind it, which has convinced us that the discussion is a lot more trouble than it's worth.  Whether that's because a topic repeatedly becomes extremely heated (like abortion) or immature (like legalization threads), both cause an excess of work for the staff, and are very little benefit to the blog.
Title: Re: [discussion of drugs not allowed] on Celtics Blog?
Post by: Chris on November 07, 2012, 07:29:48 PM
Not to get too off topic, but is anyone else just tired of hearing about legalization anyways?  Regardless of the rules and all that, I am more than a little relieved to not have to hear about it here. 
Title: Re: Free Speech illegal on Celtics Blog?
Post by: Kiorrik on November 07, 2012, 07:34:23 PM
So just a question, at what point of legalization will the staff consider Marijauna to be like Alcohol, which is still a drug but an allowable topic on the blog.

No idea.  Probably after it's no longer illegally federally, although even then I'm not sure we want a lot of stoner stories.
The first half makes sense, though medical marijuana is no longer classified with the drugs we wouldn't be able to talk about with laws like here in MA. Obviously, we can talk about aspirin, prescription drugs, and we have thread on beers.

The second half of the previous post is nothing more than being judgmental considering the beer threads. If a drug that you don't like is as accessible as beer, then you should probably stop the beer talk too if you want to be that prudish.

It is 100% the prerogative of the owner of the blog to define what content is appropriate. I suspect that person prefers rules that makes sense, and I find the rules to be quite reasonable and conducive to a good experience. As our political threads tend to show, we can have discussions on things we disagree with and people who can't handle it can stay out. "Free speech" is irrelevant. People can say what they want, but no one has the obligation to host our speech on their blog or on their forums.

No, from experience, the pot smokers have handled themselves with a lot less maturity than the beer drinkers on here.  People haven't been able to rationally discuss marijuana without a lot of "420" type posts.

It's not like the rule just sprang up out of nowhere; there's a history behind it, which has convinced us that the discussion is a lot more trouble than it's worth.  Whether that's because a topic repeatedly becomes extremely heated (like abortion) or immature (like legalization threads), both cause an excess of work for the staff, and are very little benefit to the blog.
Don't know if Jeff agrees with this, but I'd like to think that -since we're running a family friendly site- it doesn't matter whether those drugs are legal or illegal.

What matters is that we don't want to talk about it on this board in much the same way you don't want to talk about your sexual escapades in front of children.

How does this relate with the alcohol argument? Simply personal preference. Jeff chose to condone the alcohol rants. I'm sure he'd rather not see them if he had the choice.

Bottom line; let's stick to Celtics, and anything else that we allow.
Title: Re: Free Speech illegal on Celtics Blog?
Post by: JSD on November 07, 2012, 07:35:44 PM
So just a question, at what point of legalization will the staff consider Marijauna to be like Alcohol, which is still a drug but an allowable topic on the blog.

No idea.  Probably after it's no longer illegally federally, although even then I'm not sure we want a lot of stoner stories.
The first half makes sense, though medical marijuana is no longer classified with the drugs we wouldn't be able to talk about with laws like here in MA. Obviously, we can talk about aspirin, prescription drugs, and we have thread on beers.

The second half of the previous post is nothing more than being judgmental considering the beer threads. If a drug that you don't like is as accessible as beer, then you should probably stop the beer talk too if you want to be that prudish.

It is 100% the prerogative of the owner of the blog to define what content is appropriate. I suspect that person prefers rules that makes sense, and I find the rules to be quite reasonable and conducive to a good experience. As our political threads tend to show, we can have discussions on things we disagree with and people who can't handle it can stay out. "Free speech" is irrelevant. People can say what they want, but no one has the obligation to host our speech on their blog or on their forums.

No, from experience, the pot smokers have handled themselves with a lot less maturity than the beer drinkers on here.  People haven't been able to rationally discuss marijuana without a lot of "420" type posts.

It's not like the rule just sprang up out of nowhere; there's a history behind it, which has convinced us that the discussion is a lot more trouble than it's worth.  Whether that's because a topic repeatedly becomes extremely heated (like abortion) or immature (like legalization threads), both cause an excess of work for the staff, and are very little benefit to the blog.

To be fair though, beer threads on here that would be classified as more mature are based on flavors and brands that have sprung up through industry.
Title: Re: [discussion of drugs not allowed] on Celtics Blog?
Post by: mgent on November 07, 2012, 07:41:02 PM
Drugs are bad mmm k. Look no further than many of the trade threads on this site and you'll see what they can do to a person's mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VL1ko_cmO-4
Title: Re: [discussion of drugs not allowed] on Celtics Blog?
Post by: guava_wrench on November 07, 2012, 07:43:36 PM
Are jokes about Michael Beasley and Josh Howard requesting trades to Denver off limits if nothing else is mentioned?

Figured I'd get that in there either way.
Title: Re: Free Speech illegal on Celtics Blog?
Post by: guava_wrench on November 07, 2012, 07:45:31 PM
So just a question, at what point of legalization will the staff consider Marijauna to be like Alcohol, which is still a drug but an allowable topic on the blog.

No idea.  Probably after it's no longer illegally federally, although even then I'm not sure we want a lot of stoner stories.
The first half makes sense, though medical marijuana is no longer classified with the drugs we wouldn't be able to talk about with laws like here in MA. Obviously, we can talk about aspirin, prescription drugs, and we have thread on beers.

The second half of the previous post is nothing more than being judgmental considering the beer threads. If a drug that you don't like is as accessible as beer, then you should probably stop the beer talk too if you want to be that prudish.

It is 100% the prerogative of the owner of the blog to define what content is appropriate. I suspect that person prefers rules that makes sense, and I find the rules to be quite reasonable and conducive to a good experience. As our political threads tend to show, we can have discussions on things we disagree with and people who can't handle it can stay out. "Free speech" is irrelevant. People can say what they want, but no one has the obligation to host our speech on their blog or on their forums.

No, from experience, the pot smokers have handled themselves with a lot less maturity than the beer drinkers on here.  People haven't been able to rationally discuss marijuana without a lot of "420" type posts.

It's not like the rule just sprang up out of nowhere; there's a history behind it, which has convinced us that the discussion is a lot more trouble than it's worth.  Whether that's because a topic repeatedly becomes extremely heated (like abortion) or immature (like legalization threads), both cause an excess of work for the staff, and are very little benefit to the blog.

To be fair though, beer threads on here that would be classified as more mature are based on flavors and brands that have sprung up through industry.
There are still the juvenile "I got wasted last week" posts that are a lot less mature than the legalization discussions, which are often quite reasonable -- thus the new Denver referendum success.
Title: Re: [discussion of drugs not allowed] on Celtics Blog?
Post by: blastoidesroidsnoids on November 09, 2012, 10:19:15 PM
We get it, there are rules... its just that these ones are really non sensible, especially for such a large message board like this where just about everything else is allowed.
Title: Re: [discussion of drugs not allowed] on Celtics Blog?
Post by: Kiorrik on November 09, 2012, 10:25:45 PM
We get it, there are rules... its just that these ones are really non sensible, especially for such a large message board like this where just about everything else is allowed.
FAMILY FRIENDLY.

Means your kids should be able to post here.

Makes perfect, perfect perfect sense to me.

Not rocket science.
Title: Re: [discussion of drugs not allowed] on Celtics Blog?
Post by: Kevin72790 on November 09, 2012, 11:11:40 PM
If we can't talk about marijuana or any other drug than we shouldn't be able to talk about alcohol either, which is a much harder drug than marijuana and some other illegal substances.
Title: Re: [discussion of drugs not allowed] on Celtics Blog?
Post by: Kiorrik on November 09, 2012, 11:17:46 PM
If we can't talk about marijuana or any other drug than we shouldn't be able to talk about alcohol either, which is a much harder drug than marijuana and some other illegal substances.
With how accepted alcohol is in today's society, there's a place for it here on CB too.

We're very strict in a few areas (drug use is one of them) but we're lenient enough to allow discussions relating to alcohol. It's an exception to the rule, be happy you have it, and stop asking for more please.

I'm going to close this topic, because we're going in circles.