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Title: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: Roy H. on November 03, 2012, 10:11:33 PM
He just buried a game-winner (on a 4 point play) against the Nuggets.  We could definitely use him right now.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on November 03, 2012, 10:12:16 PM
He just buried a game-winner (on a 4 point play) against the Nuggets.  We could definitely use him right now.

Quoted for truth.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: KGs Knee on November 03, 2012, 10:16:39 PM
I wanted him back, I can't lie.

Strongly dislike his whiny little school girl behind though.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: Roy H. on November 03, 2012, 10:19:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrnfcY5cPqw

It just doesn't look or feel right.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: CelticSooner on November 03, 2012, 10:21:48 PM
He's certainly outplaying the C's guards at the moment.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: mr. dee on November 03, 2012, 10:27:27 PM
Doc should show this to Terry and Lee.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: Kuberski1 on November 03, 2012, 10:34:26 PM
Ray can hit the corner 3, that's for sure....and with Lebron and Wade penetrating and dishing off, he'll get his looks. 

It's not only that Ray left, but that he went to the Heat....Take Ray off the Heat roster, and they are that much close to being beatable....they really have no other consistent bench performers.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: j804 on November 03, 2012, 10:39:19 PM
Who?!
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: bello_man09 on November 03, 2012, 10:40:27 PM
yeah he makes them so much better...and with the way JEt and Lee are playing i get even more upset...
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: pearljammer10 on November 03, 2012, 10:56:13 PM
6th man of the year?
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: LarBrd33 on November 03, 2012, 10:56:52 PM
He just buried a game-winner (on a 4 point play) against the Nuggets.  We could definitely use him right now.
No doubt.  His shooting last year was fantastic for most of the season pre-injury.  He's still got game.  Still probably the most clutch player in the game.  He was somewhat underappreciated here... still don't really blame him for bailing on us.  We didn't show him a ton of respect.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: Kuberski1 on November 03, 2012, 10:57:02 PM
I don't fault Lee or Terry....give them time, they can play the game...they will help us.   I am still happy we got them both after Ray decided to go. 

With Ray, he is basically spending a lot of time standing outside the arc, and getting a lot of wide open looks....such as the game winner vs. Denver....and it was on a Lebron drive I believe.  Of course Ray will more than likely nail that shot....but I would bet that Terry and/or Lee would likely have nailed it too.  Being the 4th option on the Heat is not a tough gig....
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: Roy H. on November 03, 2012, 10:58:53 PM
With Ray, he is basically spending a lot of time standing outside the arc, and getting a lot of wide open looks....such as the game winner vs. Denver....and it was on a Lebron drive I believe.  Of course Ray will more than likely nail that shot....but I would bet that Terry and/or Lee would likely have nailed it too.  Being the 4th option on the Heat is not a tough gig....

I think that's giving way too little credit to Ray and his game.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: AshyLarry on November 03, 2012, 11:11:38 PM
6th man of the year?

Ugh. I hadn't even thought of that.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: aporel#18 on November 03, 2012, 11:22:21 PM
 I couldn't care less about that guy and the rest of the Heat. The Allens were my favorite players on the team, but they decided to leave to have a better chance of reaching their goals somewhere else.

That guy on the Heat knows how to shoot (he's the best shooter alive, IMO), and he'll get a lot of good looks out of Lebron passes off the double team. No surprise here.

Comparing him to Terry and Lee is unfair. He's gone there to do that, he's just an upgrade over Mike Miller/James Jones. No big deal to learn his role, no adjustments, in fact the Heat has a one-page playbook: give it to LeBron and let him produce, or get the ball to Wade for the foul. Bosh and the rest of the crew get their shots out of that scheme, and so does that #34 guy.

Lee has to learn his role into the offense, but mostly into defense, and we're judging him on both ends of the floor. Terry has thrived in this role, but he's somewhat struggling. You can blame Jet-Lee, or you can look at a team trying to involve a lot of new players, some of them young. The Celtics are a work in progress, the Heat just upgraded a piece.

Wait until January, we'll have a better perception of the Celtic season. Even then, it'll be unfair to compare that guy to our guys, but now is totally out of place.

I miss Shaq and Sheed more than Ray.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: angryguy77 on November 03, 2012, 11:23:03 PM
He won't keep this up. One 0 for a million behind the three game in the playoffs and the fans won't be missing him so much. I still like the long term prospects of this roster.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: Kiorrik on November 03, 2012, 11:24:56 PM
He just buried a game-winner (on a 4 point play) against the Nuggets.  We could definitely use him right now.
Myeh, feels really weird seeing him hit that.

I'm not happy about him being gone either.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: Kuberski1 on November 03, 2012, 11:29:56 PM
With Ray, he is basically spending a lot of time standing outside the arc, and getting a lot of wide open looks....such as the game winner vs. Denver....and it was on a Lebron drive I believe.  Of course Ray will more than likely nail that shot....but I would bet that Terry and/or Lee would likely have nailed it too.  Being the 4th option on the Heat is not a tough gig....

I think that's giving way too little credit to Ray and his game.

That was a wide open look...a lot of guys can hit that shot.  Don't get me wrong...I'd take Ray back in a heart-beat, and give up either of Terry or Lee...
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: LarBrd33 on November 03, 2012, 11:31:07 PM
oh come on... let's forgive Ray.  It's not his fault the Celtics tried trading him a dozen times, benched him for an unproven undersized shooting guard, signed Jason Terry and were going after Courtney Lee...

If we forgave Scal for stabbing us in the back and signing with the rival Bulls... we can forgive Ray.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: mr. dee on November 03, 2012, 11:34:04 PM
Coutney Lee was an afterthought. Danny was not expecting Ray to leave.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: chenaren on November 03, 2012, 11:48:56 PM
Replacing Lebron with Pierce on that play, it would probably end up with Pierce missing a step back shot. Ray will get much more wide open in Miami. Smart choice.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 03, 2012, 11:50:34 PM
None of those other guys talked like Ray did when he left.  We let Scal go that isn't the same as signing LarBrd33 with another team.   I don't recall us offering Scal a contract.  Ray is not the victim or saint you characterize him to be, but he is hardly a villanous scroundel either.

I am very happy with the time Ray gave us here.   But now he is on the team, I root against him when we play him.  I am a Celtic fan this has nothing to do forgiveness.   Not every fan shares every other fan's view.   You can miss him, but miss him, I do not, but I don't hate the guy unless we are playing him. 
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: Who on November 03, 2012, 11:55:52 PM
Ray Allen didn't fit in that well anymore. I would have liked to have kept him but he isn't big loss and Danny has done an excellent job supplying the team with alternative options on the perimeter.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: CelticSooner on November 04, 2012, 12:06:01 AM
He won't keep this up. One 0 for a million behind the three game in the playoffs and the fans won't be missing him so much. I still like the long term prospects of this roster.

I don't see why not. He's playing with three all-stars in their prime. All those Heat shooters will get plenty of open looks this season. Ray just happens to be the most clutch.

Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: karimb on November 04, 2012, 12:07:10 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPd6SsnjAjU&feature=related

Ray vs Lebron
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: angryguy77 on November 04, 2012, 12:40:38 AM
He won't keep this up. One 0 for a million behind the three game in the playoffs and the fans won't be missing him so much. I still like the long term prospects of this roster.

I don't see why not. He's playing with three all-stars in their prime. All those Heat shooters will get plenty of open looks this season. Ray just happens to be the most clutch.


Ray had many phenomenal games for us, but he also had some terrible games at the worst possible times as well. Its not like he always had a hand in his face during those games, doc was pretty good at getting him freed up with screens.

I don't expect this to change just because hes playing with leroid
 
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: CelticSooner on November 04, 2012, 12:59:31 AM
He won't keep this up. One 0 for a million behind the three game in the playoffs and the fans won't be missing him so much. I still like the long term prospects of this roster.

I don't see why not. He's playing with three all-stars in their prime. All those Heat shooters will get plenty of open looks this season. Ray just happens to be the most clutch.


Ray had many phenomenal games for us, but he also had some terrible games at the worst possible times as well. Its not like he always had a hand in his face during those games, doc was pretty good at getting him freed up with screens.

I don't expect this to change just because hes playing with leroid

Sure he'll have bad games. His bad games won't affect Miami as much as they would have in Boston though. He's icing on the cake in Miami.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: Bahku on November 04, 2012, 01:01:49 AM
Yup ... if he wasn't worth missing, we'd have no need to be bitter.

The guy was money in the bank, and no one set me as much at ease when shooting big free-throws, hitting game-winning tres, or moving off the ball.

One of the classiest guys to ever hit the NBA, which is why it was such a shock to me how he went about this thing, (classlessly).

A shame ... for everyone involved, and I think he wishes he could have this one back.

He burned a lot of bridges that will never be rebuilt here in New England.

But, oh, the Jet is a pretty sweet replacement, and I believe he's going to thrive here.

It will be interesting to see how the stats play out when all is said and done.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: colincb on November 04, 2012, 01:02:11 AM
Said it before and was told it wasn't true by people with rose-colored glasses.

Allen > Terry > Lee > Pietrus

Ray's going to get his respect.

And we should be fine, but it's going to take a while. There's not a surprise with only 4 holdovers.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: CelticsFan9 on November 04, 2012, 01:38:31 AM
Ray Allen fan or not, you gotta admit it: that shot was pretty darn clutch.

I'm in the boat that doesn't hate Ray, but I also don't think we should have kept him.  I like this year's roster a lot, and I don't think we're going to suffer without Allen on it.

That being said, I miss his daggers.  Those were the best.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: blastoidesroidsnoids on November 04, 2012, 01:43:35 AM
that chest bump with lebron... digsusting
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: TheReaLPuba on November 04, 2012, 01:58:58 AM
Ray always starts the season off great.

He did that for us as well the last two years he was with the C's.

We all know what Ray Allen can and can't do.

Ray is the one who felt slighted and wanted more touches and shots.

He feels disrespected and the 3 million and no-trade clause wasn't enough to make up for it.

But ultimately it's not what you do in the regular season, it's what you do in the playoffs that really matter.

It's funny how the Heat needed a near triple double by LBJ (20, 9, 11), 40 from Bosh, 23 from Ray Allen, shoot 52% and 40% from 3....hit 10 more free throws and still only win by 3 AT HOME.

They're lucky they won that game to be honest.

And Ray Allen was the reason.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: xmuscularghandix on November 04, 2012, 01:08:34 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VhwzKGkvjg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VTxi9ravWY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRTveV3VI8o

 ;)
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: xmuscularghandix on November 04, 2012, 01:13:21 AM
I don't think it's fair the way he blames the Celtics for his feelings... that being said I wish it went down differently and he was coming off the bench for Boston.

(http://changemakersorg.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/ray-allen.jpg)
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: ACF on November 04, 2012, 03:54:19 AM
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1103/nba_a_allen_gb1_576.jpg)

Too late...
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 04, 2012, 07:41:51 AM
 Terry > Lee  will be add to more than Ray Allan I feel before the seasons especially since we added Barbosa.

I think Bradley once he returns can lock him down and nuetralize him as well.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: relja on November 04, 2012, 08:22:03 AM
Is this how it's gonna be from now on? When he plays well it's gonna be like: Awww Danny you idiot, who needs JET and Courtney, we should have kept Ray, blow up the whole team aaaaahhh

But when he sucks: Danny you genius, Ray is gonna die of bone spurs with Lebron, he always sucked

Face it, Ray, even at this point of his career, is a good player and he is gonna have a good game once in a while.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: scaryjerry on November 04, 2012, 08:28:33 AM
I liked him while he was here, but hes shown his true colors and frankly I cant stand him..
 why were the almighty heat in a high scoring dog fight with the nuggets anyways? nice pass by james
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: Valentines_at_Popeyes on November 04, 2012, 08:38:00 AM
battered fan syndrome
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on November 04, 2012, 08:39:10 AM
I didn't read all the way through but let me repeat it if it's been said...

if Jet and Lee were performing the way they usually do, no one would be bringing Ray up (except his fans on here)!

It's not really that you miss Ray, you just miss someone hitting shots b/c I don't remember anyone missing Ray when AB was beasting out there... in fact, I remember a lot of people saying it was Ray holding us back at the time. Again, if JET and Lee turn their shooting around and resemble the players they were for many seasons, people would be saying, "I knew Ray was stifling our offense!" Right now they are our two WEAK links on offense (especially JET).
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: scaryjerry on November 04, 2012, 08:46:07 AM
I didn't read all the way through but let me repeat it if it's been said...

if Jet and Lee were performing the way they usually do, no one would be bringing Ray up (except his fans on here)!

It's not really that you miss Ray, you just miss someone hitting shots b/c I don't remember anyone missing Ray when AB was beasting out there... in fact, I remember a lot of people saying it was Ray holding us back at the time. Again, if JET and Lee turn their shooting around and resemble the players they were for many seasons, people would be saying, "I knew Ray was stifling our offense!" Right now they are our two WEAK links on offense (especially JET).

Courtney isnt much better then hes played...thats my opinion. this team is so much better with a healthy Bradley. Jet on the other hand hasnt played anywhere near capabilities...makes you wonder why the mavs let him go so easily
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on November 04, 2012, 08:56:20 AM
I didn't read all the way through but let me repeat it if it's been said...

if Jet and Lee were performing the way they usually do, no one would be bringing Ray up (except his fans on here)!

It's not really that you miss Ray, you just miss someone hitting shots b/c I don't remember anyone missing Ray when AB was beasting out there... in fact, I remember a lot of people saying it was Ray holding us back at the time. Again, if JET and Lee turn their shooting around and resemble the players they were for many seasons, people would be saying, "I knew Ray was stifling our offense!" Right now they are our two WEAK links on offense (especially JET).

Courtney isnt much better then hes played...thats my opinion. this team is so much better with a healthy Bradley. Jet on the other hand hasnt played anywhere near capabilities...makes you wonder why the mavs let him go so easily

Courtney probably plays defense like his usual self but he can't hit the broad side of a barn from three, that isn't usual... he is WIDE open too!! Jet, I can't understand... isn't shooting the LAST thing to go as you age? I mean, you probably aren't as quick and you probably can't jump high but can you lose shooting right after preseason, does it happen that quickly... I doubt it. He can get more games b4 I say it's over for him but I am confused.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: heitingas on November 04, 2012, 10:56:39 AM
1-he is a traitor
2- don't miss him at all

That's just me.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: Valentines_at_Popeyes on November 04, 2012, 08:58:15 PM
It's like that song:  Take your high heels baby and just walk on out of my life.  :)

Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: guava_wrench on November 04, 2012, 09:28:09 PM
For those were weren't impressed with the shot, check his line from the game. He was burying 3s all night.

For a team starting Wade, Lebron and Bosh to have a potential 6th man of the year is nasty. To finish games with those 4 and another body is also nasty. Putting one of the all time best catch and shoot guys on a team with Wade and Lebron -- that is really hard to defend. I expect Lebron to find Ray a lot at the end of games and unlike when Lebron finds open journeymen for final shots, no one will question Lebron finding Ray open for a 3 at the end of a game. Ray open for a 3 is almost always the right play, unless you have an open layup.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: guava_wrench on November 04, 2012, 09:32:01 PM
Is this how it's gonna be from now on? When he plays well it's gonna be like: Awww Danny you idiot, who needs JET and Courtney, we should have kept Ray, blow up the whole team aaaaahhh

But when he sucks: Danny you genius, Ray is gonna die of bone spurs with Lebron, he always sucked

Face it, Ray, even at this point of his career, is a good player and he is gonna have a good game once in a while.
Ray is still a good player and that is why is is having a good game every night (not once in a while). But his ankles are also questionable for the long haul and there were locker room issues to contend with that probably made parting necessary.

The truth is, the Heat will probably end games with Ray on the floor. We were heading to the point where Bradley was going to finish games with Ray on the bench.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: colincb on November 04, 2012, 10:03:53 PM
Is this how it's gonna be from now on? When he plays well it's gonna be like: Awww Danny you idiot, who needs JET and Courtney, we should have kept Ray, blow up the whole team aaaaahhh

But when he sucks: Danny you genius, Ray is gonna die of bone spurs with Lebron, he always sucked

Face it, Ray, even at this point of his career, is a good player and he is gonna have a good game once in a while.
Ray is still a good player and that is why is is having a good game every night (not once in a while). But his ankles are also questionable for the long haul and there were locker room issues to contend with that probably made parting necessary.

The truth is, the Heat will probably end games with Ray on the floor. We were heading to the point where Bradley was going to finish games with Ray on the bench.
Doubt it.  Ray's always been one of the very best finishers in the game.
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Post by: fairweatherfan06 on November 04, 2012, 10:07:31 PM
Six man of the year candidates

Jamal Crawford
Miami #34
and
JET if he finds his stride.  I think we have a fundamental problem stylistic I think he and Rondo are incompatible which means Rondo needs to either play off the ball more when he's on the floor or Rondo rests more so JET can do JET things.
Title: Re: Traitor or not, I miss Ray...
Post by: guava_wrench on November 04, 2012, 10:58:15 PM
Is this how it's gonna be from now on? When he plays well it's gonna be like: Awww Danny you idiot, who needs JET and Courtney, we should have kept Ray, blow up the whole team aaaaahhh

But when he sucks: Danny you genius, Ray is gonna die of bone spurs with Lebron, he always sucked

Face it, Ray, even at this point of his career, is a good player and he is gonna have a good game once in a while.
Ray is still a good player and that is why is is having a good game every night (not once in a while). But his ankles are also questionable for the long haul and there were locker room issues to contend with that probably made parting necessary.

The truth is, the Heat will probably end games with Ray on the floor. We were heading to the point where Bradley was going to finish games with Ray on the bench.
Doubt it.  Ray's always been one of the very best finishers in the game.
Yet we saw at the end of last year that Ray and Avery were in and out at the end of games. Ray would have be in for a final play when we have the ball and need to score to win in the final possession. Not ensured that he would have been on the floor the final 4 minutes with Bradley healthy.
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Post by: Celts Fan 92 on November 04, 2012, 11:00:54 PM
nah cant co-sign dis thread but when i was was watchin da heat game i knew dat 3 pointer was goin in. Plus Pierce seems to have more of a greenlight in da startin lineup wit him gone like i said in ova threads i think he can average 20ppg dis year