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Title: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: KG Living Legend on November 02, 2012, 09:02:41 PM

 Vangundy commenting on how it's obvious the Knicks look a lot better with their small lineup of Felton, Kidd at the two guard, with Carmelo, Chandler, and Ronnie Brewer starting over the injured. Amare. For some reason Amare just does not fit on that team, it's not that he can't play at all anymore. But Amare, Chandler, and Melo doesn't work in the "new NBA".

 Does Amare, if healthy help of hurt this team.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: Roy H. on November 02, 2012, 09:04:51 PM
As a player, I'd be fine with him here.

When you realize he's owed $65 million over the next three seasons, though, there's no way.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: Who on November 02, 2012, 09:06:49 PM
Amare earns a huge amount of money. How would you make the salaries work in a trade?

I would think that you would have to give up 3-4 rotation players plus some youngsters/picks.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: KG Living Legend on November 02, 2012, 09:17:45 PM
Barbosa and Green is almost 16 million, you could make it work.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: Roy H. on November 02, 2012, 09:22:28 PM
Barbosa and Green is almost 16 million, you could make it work.

Where are you getting your salary figures from?

Green + Barbosa is around $9 million.

To make the trade work, you'd either have to trade multiple rotation players, or move Pierce.  We'd have to give up around $18 million in salary.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 02, 2012, 09:22:46 PM
He is shot, I would rather have Chandler.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: guava_wrench on November 02, 2012, 09:44:47 PM
Does Amare, if healthy help of hurt this team.
If he is healthy, he isn't Amare.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: nostar on November 07, 2012, 03:44:08 AM
Yeah I am actually. I like Amare's game except that he doesn't play consistent defense. I'm sure in a good system he could be as good as Bass though.

Salary wise we'd have to trade Bass, Green, Lee and probably another guy. The trade would have to look like:

Amare+Brewer for Green+Bass+Lee

That gives us a very large contract for 3 years but it upgrades us at PF in a big way and gives us a post presence. I worry about Amare's health but this move would put us in the drivers seat for #1 in the East I think.

I don't think Danny would do it but I'd certainly consider it. Especially if the Knicks would give up picks to move him. I also doubt they'd move him in their own division but who knows. It's a very interesting idea though.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: fitzhickey on November 07, 2012, 05:04:39 AM
He is shot, I would rather have Chandler.
Yeah, big presence and he would be good for alleyoops with rondo
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: crimson_stallion on November 07, 2012, 05:46:12 AM
Ummm...are you guys talking about the same Amare I'm thinking of?

- The one who missed x amount of games a few years back with a detatched retina? 

- The one who missed half of last season due to injury?

- The one who missed a key playoff game because he punched a fire extinguisher and busted his hand?

- The one who is currently out for te Knicks due to injury?

Don't get me wrong, if you could somehow look into the crystal ball and be assured that Amare would be healthy for the rest of his contract, then my intrest in him would be through the roof.  He's a potential 20-10 guy who's extremely athletic and can carry a team offensively.

We also don't have any Carmello-style ball hogs on our team, and he'd probably fit in very well with team oriented veterans like Rondo, Pierce, Bass and KG. He'd give us a legitimate go-to guy as Pierce and KG wind down their careers. 

Plus playing with Rondo he'd be an absolute monster - just imagine the pick and roll game between those two, along with the lobs...plus Amare likes to run the floor as well.  There may not be a single big man in the league who would be better suited to playing with Rondo. 


BUT the problem is that if we did get him, we'd probably be lucky to get 40 games per season out of him, and the longer he spends in rehab the more his trade value drops...which is not a good thing on a $65 million man. 

My god we would be good though...

C - KG
PF - Amare
SF - Pierce
SG - Bradley
PG - Rondo

That's an undisputed contender right there.

Downside is that Pierce probably only has two seasons left in him, and we need a backup SF who is not only good enough to back up Pierce, but also good enough to take his place in the starting lineup once he moves on.  Green fills that role perfectly, so we really need to hold on to him...yet we'd probably need his contact going out in order to make the deal happen.

I think getting Amare would make Green a far better player too.  First of all it allows Green to move permanently over to his preferred SF spot.  More importantly though Green seems to play his best when he is relaxed and doesn't have the weight of the world on his shoulders. 

If this happened Amare and Rajon become our two key offensive players (i.e. our Westbrook and Durant) while Green can comfortably play behind those guys in a James Harden type role as our 3rd offensive option.  This removes the pressure of Jeff needing to be the "successor to Paul Pierce" and instead allows him to just be himself - all we'd need from him is a solid 14-16 points each night. 

NY may not be exceptionally picky about what talent they get in return - since they are actually BETTER without Amare on the court, technically getting rid of him and his contract is a major upgrade for them.  I think they'd probably be willing to accept just about any trade that matches on dollars, even if they only get one or two players with actual talent.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: wdleehi on November 07, 2012, 06:52:35 AM
No. 



Amare makes to much money and has not shown enough in over a season.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: chambers on November 07, 2012, 06:54:01 AM
he's too expensive but if they amnestied him I'd go after him hard.
He's still a great scorer, KG could aid his defensive issues.
Knicks offense was always better when it runs through him because he takes such high percentage shots.

Van Gundy will calm down when the Knicks hot shooting streak dies. Any offense that features Carmelo Anthony shooting that many jumpshots is bound to fail.
Their defense is getting very good with the current line up but their offense will just dry out. It's basically Melo and Felton. Brewer is a bum, Chandler is an offensive bum, Kidd is a bum. They're going no where and I feel sorry for Knicks fans who think the rest of the season will be like this.

Amare taking 20 shots a game from 10 feet or closer compared to Carmelo taking 25 shots a game with 20 of them from 15 feet or out.
I know which one works in the long run.

Carmelo=poor mans Paul Pierce that eats too many cheeseburgers and plays way worse defense.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: crimson_stallion on November 07, 2012, 07:53:03 AM
Carmelo=poor mans Paul Pierce that eats too many cheeseburgers and plays way worse defense.

I like that one, TP for you  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: scaryjerry on November 07, 2012, 08:23:00 AM
Ew :-\
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: RyNye on November 07, 2012, 09:42:57 AM
No. Amare is done. Unless he somehow returns to something resembling his Phoenix form, he will only hurt us to have around.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: Cman on November 07, 2012, 09:55:55 AM
Carmelo=poor mans Paul Pierce that eats too many cheeseburgers and plays way worse defense.

I like that one, TP for you  ;D

As a side note, whenever I read about "Melo" I get excited for a split second before I realize we are talking about the center on the Cs not the SF from the Knicks....
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: celticslove on November 07, 2012, 10:12:17 AM
city of boston fire code clearly states that a building should have a working fire extinguisher/case so i'll pass with amare.lol
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: jbaerg on November 07, 2012, 10:32:56 AM
Pray he gets amnestied, which at this rate, could be very quickly.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: manl_lui on November 07, 2012, 11:41:57 AM
Amare only started to get injured around the time Melo got there...coincidence? I think he is upset that he was originally the "savor" or the man of NY, now he has to hand that over to Melo

But too bad, I don't think we can get him
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: Fafnir on November 07, 2012, 11:45:10 AM
Pray he gets amnestied, which at this rate, could be very quickly.
The Knicks already used their amnesty provision.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: csfansince60s on November 07, 2012, 11:47:04 AM
Not sure that we could get him even if he was amnestied.

If I recall, there is a bidding process and he automatically goes to the highest bidder, and what you can bid is dictated by your cap space (I think).

If we had to trade for him, it would have to include Green and Bass and filler.

Also, would he be insureable given his past injury history, microfracture surgery, etc.?

On the other hand a healthy Amare would be huge. Also a huge risk.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: TheRev72 on November 07, 2012, 06:59:12 PM
Salary-wise, Green + Bass + Lee for Stoudemire + Brewer should work.

Would allow the C's to keep the promising youngsters (Sully and Bradley) who they'd probably have to give up to get Josh Smith. But Stoudemire is such a health risk. And not that young anymore either. We'd instantly be a much better offensive team but still lack rebounding. And Amare's not known for his defense.

Still, Amare and KG up front, with Pierce, Bradley and Rondo on the perimeter would be pretty awesome. (Imagine Rondo with a healthy Amare - it would be sick.) And I'm sure NY would gladly shed themselves of Amare's contract for any reasonable offer.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: nostar on November 07, 2012, 09:50:07 PM
All the amnesty talk can stop. NYK used their amnesty on Chauncy Billups so that they could sign Tyson Chandler.

The other thing that is bothering me is people saying Stoudemire is done. Are you guys kidding? When he was in NY before Carmello landed there he was averaging 26pts 9 rbs and 2 blks (and a steal) per 36. I know that was a close to 2 years ago but it's not like he's not still capable of those kinds of numbers.

Downside is that Pierce probably only has two seasons left in him, and we need a backup SF who is not only good enough to back up Pierce, but also good enough to take his place in the starting lineup once he moves on.  Green fills that role perfectly, so we really need to hold on to him...yet we'd probably need his contact going out in order to make the deal happen.

I agree we need a backup SF, that is why I included Brewer in the deal because he's a defensive minded, athletic SF who can start in a pinch. I'd want to sign Pietrus back too if we sent both Lee and Green packing.

The SF of the future argument is an interesting one. I don't personally think we have that right now so I'm not afraid of losing it in the same way some people are. I don't think Green has shown enough to even be mentioned as the heir to Pierce but we'll see. I do think that when PP's contract is up so is the contract of 6 very good SFs. James and Carmello have ETOs and Gay has a player option (which he'll pickup). Granger and Deng UFAs so it's not like we have to find Pierce's successor right this moment. We might even trade Pierce's expiring contract next year for an unhappy superstar. 15M expiring is a pretty big deal for teams on the rebuild.

Anyway I don't think Danny would trade for Amare. It's a lot of risk from injury, no way to insure the contract and worst of all it's kind of an "all in" move that just isn't needed right now. It would very closely resemble the Joe Johnson trade that happened this last off-season. If that doesn't pan out there is no backup plan. Danny likes outs and Amare is $20M of uncertainty for 3 years.

Doesn't mean I don't like the idea though :)
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: StartOrien on November 07, 2012, 10:04:32 PM
As a player, I'd be fine with him here.

When you realize he's owed $65 million over the next three seasons, though, there's no way.

Honestly, at this point I'm not even sure I'd want him as a player. Just can't see the offense negating the defense anymore. At least not on a contending team.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: StartOrien on November 07, 2012, 10:07:21 PM
Pray he gets amnestied, which at this rate, could be very quickly.
The Knicks already used their amnesty provision.

This might go against Cblog protocol, but this is one of the greatest forgotten blunders:

THE KNICKS USED THEIR AMNESTY CLAUSE ON CHAUNCEY BILLUPS MONTHS AFTER EXTENDING HIS DEAL
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: Mazingerz on November 07, 2012, 10:18:37 PM
Nope. He is already on the decline. And his defense plain sucks.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: gpap on November 07, 2012, 10:23:26 PM
It's a tough one. When healthy, Amar'e is as good as anyone in the NBA. But, health is the big question mark.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 07, 2012, 10:43:50 PM
yes five year ago...not now
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: PaulPierce34G on November 07, 2012, 10:53:55 PM
Injury risk.  When an insurance company won't back your contract, you know it's real.

I'm not saying he is garbage, but he's too high of a risk these days. 

Also, going back to the structure of the Celtics make-up..I don't think he would fit.  He's a guy who needs to be the center of attention.  He isn't like KG...this is my opinion.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: pearljammer10 on November 08, 2012, 12:04:48 AM
As a player, I'd be fine with him here.

When you realize he's owed $65 million over the next three seasons, though, there's no way.

This is the only way to answer this question. The Knicks are better without amare but no one is going to be crazy enough to take back that deal.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: PhoSita on November 08, 2012, 01:18:02 AM
It's too bad that Amare has such an unmovable contract, because I'd like to see him get traded SOMEWHERE.

The Knicks, both last year and to start this year, are very clearly better with Melo at the 4 and Tyson at the 5.  If Amare were healthy and his contract were not an albatross, it would be interesting to see the Knicks trade him to a team with some extra wing players but a hole at PF.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: crimson_stallion on November 16, 2012, 01:06:23 AM
I agree we need a backup SF, that is why I included Brewer in the deal because he's a defensive minded, athletic SF who can start in a pinch. I'd want to sign Pietrus back too if we sent both Lee and Green packing.

The SF of the future argument is an interesting one. I don't personally think we have that right now so I'm not afraid of losing it in the same way some people are. I don't think Green has shown enough to even be mentioned as the heir to Pierce but we'll see. I do think that when PP's contract is up so is the contract of 6 very good SFs. James and Carmello have ETOs and Gay has a player option (which he'll pickup).

I don't think we really need a SF to be Pierce's successor - as in a guy who can do the type of things Pierce can and have the same kind of impact. 

We do need a player who can be the successor to Pierce, but it doesn't need to be a SF.  Personally, I think Amare (if he managed to stay healthy) could be Pierce's successor in that he could be the #1 scoring option who we could run our offense through and depend on to give us big numbers every night on offense.

If that happened then Green wouldn't need to become an elite SF, we'd only need him to take over for KG as a 2nd or 3rd scoring option (good for about 14 PPG to 17 PPG) and I think Green is very capable of that.  Corey Brewer on the other hand...not so much.

I visualise the below as a very strong future lineup with a good ballance between offense and defense:

Rondo
Bradley
Green
Sullinger (once he develops)
Amare

I visualise the following as a mediocre future lineup with a severe lack of offense:

Rondo
Bradley
Brewer
Sullinger
Amare

I think Green's potential offensively makes all the difference in that lineup. 

Injury risk.  When an insurance company won't back your contract, you know it's real.

Also, going back to the structure of the Celtics make-up..I don't think he would fit.  He's a guy who needs to be the center of attention.  He isn't like KG...this is my opinion.

I don't think this is necessarilly a bad thing for the Boston team we have right now.  We have a group of guys who are all, for the most part, secondary players.  Pierce, Terry and KG are the closest things we have to a primary scorer, and at this point in their careers neither of those guys probably all more effective player off another guy.

I think it would actually benefit us to have a dominant, relatively young player who we could run the offense through and depend on to put the team on his back. 

I think if we had a guy like that with Rondo running the offense, it would make guys like Pierce, KG, Terry and Green all the more deadly because a player of Amare's calibre would demand constant double teams. 

Right now there is really nobody outside of Pierce (KG with certain matchups) who can draw that type of attention from the defense.

I certainly would NOT want two guys like this on the team (like NY have with Carmello and Amare) because then you end up with an ego-fight from two guys who can only play with the ball in their hand.  To have one guy like that though is something that I think every team needs to be really dominant.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: Kane3387 on November 16, 2012, 01:14:10 AM
Sure. If he is healthy and playing like he is capable of playing.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: crimson_stallion on November 16, 2012, 02:01:58 AM
Agreed, and even then you still have nightmares thinking about 'that' contract...

Still if the option SOMEHOW came up I'd definately consider it.

Problem is that I think we can only use an Amnesty on a player that was already on our team before the clause was intruduced (i.e. Rondo, Pierce or KG) so I don't think we could use it as a bail-out option if he didn't work out.

If we did have that option, then I'd definately take a chance on it.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: D.o.s. on November 16, 2012, 02:11:10 AM
That 2005 Suns team was always a blast to watch.

And that buzzer beater 3 that wasn't against us a couple seasons ago was pretty phenomenal.

But he's always injured, and his odometer is only going up.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 16, 2012, 07:23:23 AM
I have not interest in a coach with bad springs why would I want a player with bad knees.  Amare= DAMAGED GOODS!
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 16, 2012, 07:39:48 AM
Trade Collins for him.  His body can't cash the checks his brain writes during a game.  He needs a new bionic body.

His "SPRING" , first step and verticle are no where to be found today.  Although he can still hit the short jumpers , but we have Bass for that.

NBA has been ruff on him.

IMO , he may HURT the Knicks more than help...he is so slow.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: European NBA fan on November 16, 2012, 08:01:05 AM
Agreed, and even then you still have nightmares thinking about 'that' contract...

Still if the option SOMEHOW came up I'd definately consider it.

Problem is that I think we can only use an Amnesty on a player that was already on our team before the clause was intruduced (i.e. Rondo, Pierce or KG) so I don't think we could use it as a bail-out option if he didn't work out.

If we did have that option, then I'd definately take a chance on it.

Actually it's only Rondo, Pierce and Bradley. KG signed a contract under the new CBA and that can't be amnestied.
Amar'e should be bought out of his current contract before I would consider him. And his new contract should have a large nonguaranteed part. Like if he only played half of the games, he would be paid half the money.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: CapnDunks on November 16, 2012, 08:12:21 AM
I love Amare. But when Danny called him he broke his wrist and gave himself a concussion trying to answer the phone. He'll miss 14-16 weeks.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: Moranis on November 16, 2012, 08:47:33 AM
I kind of like an Amare and Brewer for Bass, Green, Lee trade.  That is a type of risk I think this team needs as an even remotely healthy Amare could be a real difference maker in the playoffs.

Starters - Rondo, Bradley, Pierce, Amare, KG
Rotation - Barbosa, Terry, Brewer, Sullinger, Wilcox

That team is a team that is a lot more likely to win a title than the one Boston currently has.  Amare is also signed for less years than Green and Lee, so Boston goes back into free agency contention a year earlier (which is when Rondo, KG, Bradley, Terry all come of the books (pierce is off the books a year before that).  Gives Boston a chance at actually re-signing Rondo and bringing in a star (or keeping Amare if it works out).
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: Who on November 16, 2012, 09:15:14 AM
I kind of like an Amare and Brewer for Bass, Green, Lee trade.  That is a type of risk I think this team needs as an even remotely healthy Amare could be a real difference maker in the playoffs.

Starters - Rondo, Bradley, Pierce, Amare, KG
Rotation - Barbosa, Terry, Brewer, Sullinger, Wilcox

That team is a team that is a lot more likely to win a title than the one Boston currently has.  Amare is also signed for less years than Green and Lee, so Boston goes back into free agency contention a year earlier (which is when Rondo, KG, Bradley, Terry all come of the books (pierce is off the books a year before that).  Gives Boston a chance at actually re-signing Rondo and bringing in a star (or keeping Amare if it works out).

That would be very tempting. I'd take that risk too if Amare looks healthy enough.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: Kane3387 on November 16, 2012, 10:22:39 AM
I kind of like an Amare and Brewer for Bass, Green, Lee trade.  That is a type of risk I think this team needs as an even remotely healthy Amare could be a real difference maker in the playoffs.

Starters - Rondo, Bradley, Pierce, Amare, KG
Rotation - Barbosa, Terry, Brewer, Sullinger, Wilcox

That team is a team that is a lot more likely to win a title than the one Boston currently has.  Amare is also signed for less years than Green and Lee, so Boston goes back into free agency contention a year earlier (which is when Rondo, KG, Bradley, Terry all come of the books (pierce is off the books a year before that).  Gives Boston a chance at actually re-signing Rondo and bringing in a star (or keeping Amare if it works out).

I would definitely be interested in this deal IF Amare shows he is back to his old self. I always thought Kg was the most complimentary big to Amare in the entire NBA.

I don't see NY trading him to us unless we are the only team willing to take on his deal. I think we could look at bringing back Pietrus if this deal happened.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: Fafnir on November 16, 2012, 10:26:32 AM
I kind of like an Amare and Brewer for Bass, Green, Lee trade.  That is a type of risk I think this team needs as an even remotely healthy Amare could be a real difference maker in the playoffs.

Starters - Rondo, Bradley, Pierce, Amare, KG
Rotation - Barbosa, Terry, Brewer, Sullinger, Wilcox

That team is a team that is a lot more likely to win a title than the one Boston currently has.  Amare is also signed for less years than Green and Lee, so Boston goes back into free agency contention a year earlier (which is when Rondo, KG, Bradley, Terry all come of the books (pierce is off the books a year before that).  Gives Boston a chance at actually re-signing Rondo and bringing in a star (or keeping Amare if it works out).

I would definitely be interested in this deal IF Amare shows he is back to his old self. I always thought Kg was the most complimentary big to Amare in the entire NBA.

I don't see NY trading him to us unless we are the only team willing to take on his deal. I think we could look at bringing back Pietrus if this deal happened.
I think New York would love to dump Amar'e to almost anyone, as long as they got a rotation caliber body or two back.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: Moranis on November 16, 2012, 10:29:46 AM
I kind of like an Amare and Brewer for Bass, Green, Lee trade.  That is a type of risk I think this team needs as an even remotely healthy Amare could be a real difference maker in the playoffs.

Starters - Rondo, Bradley, Pierce, Amare, KG
Rotation - Barbosa, Terry, Brewer, Sullinger, Wilcox

That team is a team that is a lot more likely to win a title than the one Boston currently has.  Amare is also signed for less years than Green and Lee, so Boston goes back into free agency contention a year earlier (which is when Rondo, KG, Bradley, Terry all come of the books (pierce is off the books a year before that).  Gives Boston a chance at actually re-signing Rondo and bringing in a star (or keeping Amare if it works out).

I would definitely be interested in this deal IF Amare shows he is back to his old self. I always thought Kg was the most complimentary big to Amare in the entire NBA.

I don't see NY trading him to us unless we are the only team willing to take on his deal. I think we could look at bringing back Pietrus if this deal happened.
I think New York would love to dump Amar'e to almost anyone, as long as they got a rotation caliber body or two back.
Yeah.  I don't see why New York wouldn't be interested in that trade.  It gives them 3 solid rotation (if not starting players) and adds a great deal to their depth.  Plus it gets them out from under Amare who seems to be the odd man out anyway. 
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: Fafnir on November 16, 2012, 10:32:16 AM
I kind of like an Amare and Brewer for Bass, Green, Lee trade.  That is a type of risk I think this team needs as an even remotely healthy Amare could be a real difference maker in the playoffs.

Starters - Rondo, Bradley, Pierce, Amare, KG
Rotation - Barbosa, Terry, Brewer, Sullinger, Wilcox

That team is a team that is a lot more likely to win a title than the one Boston currently has.  Amare is also signed for less years than Green and Lee, so Boston goes back into free agency contention a year earlier (which is when Rondo, KG, Bradley, Terry all come of the books (pierce is off the books a year before that).  Gives Boston a chance at actually re-signing Rondo and bringing in a star (or keeping Amare if it works out).

I would definitely be interested in this deal IF Amare shows he is back to his old self. I always thought Kg was the most complimentary big to Amare in the entire NBA.

I don't see NY trading him to us unless we are the only team willing to take on his deal. I think we could look at bringing back Pietrus if this deal happened.
I think New York would love to dump Amar'e to almost anyone, as long as they got a rotation caliber body or two back.
Yeah.  I don't see why New York wouldn't be interested in that trade.  It gives them 3 solid rotation (if not starting players) and adds a great deal to their depth.  Plus it gets them out from under Amare who seems to be the odd man out anyway.
Honestly unless Amar'e comes back super healthy I think the C's could offer less talent than even the trade you proposed. Though salarywise I think all three would be necessary for it to work.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: Moranis on November 16, 2012, 10:38:04 AM
I kind of like an Amare and Brewer for Bass, Green, Lee trade.  That is a type of risk I think this team needs as an even remotely healthy Amare could be a real difference maker in the playoffs.

Starters - Rondo, Bradley, Pierce, Amare, KG
Rotation - Barbosa, Terry, Brewer, Sullinger, Wilcox

That team is a team that is a lot more likely to win a title than the one Boston currently has.  Amare is also signed for less years than Green and Lee, so Boston goes back into free agency contention a year earlier (which is when Rondo, KG, Bradley, Terry all come of the books (pierce is off the books a year before that).  Gives Boston a chance at actually re-signing Rondo and bringing in a star (or keeping Amare if it works out).

I would definitely be interested in this deal IF Amare shows he is back to his old self. I always thought Kg was the most complimentary big to Amare in the entire NBA.

I don't see NY trading him to us unless we are the only team willing to take on his deal. I think we could look at bringing back Pietrus if this deal happened.
I think New York would love to dump Amar'e to almost anyone, as long as they got a rotation caliber body or two back.
Yeah.  I don't see why New York wouldn't be interested in that trade.  It gives them 3 solid rotation (if not starting players) and adds a great deal to their depth.  Plus it gets them out from under Amare who seems to be the odd man out anyway.
Honestly unless Amar'e comes back super healthy I think the C's could offer less talent than even the trade you proposed. Though salarywise I think all three would be necessary for it to work.
Yeah that's the thing, Boston can't offer less talent and still get to the dollars.  That is why I think someone like Brewer needs to come back to Boston to help replace what they lost in the trade.  I might even start by asking for JR Smith and settle back to Brewer to make it happen.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: Fafnir on November 16, 2012, 10:39:37 AM
My guess is what would actually happen if such a trade was discussed is that they'd need a third team to provide salary ballast for a pick.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: Kane3387 on November 16, 2012, 11:08:19 AM
Here are some highlights of his from use last year. He still had some explosion...at least on the last play against tyros thomas he did.

IF he is healthy I think he seamlessly fits in with Rondo and KG.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfNVAj4BohI
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: CelticG1 on November 16, 2012, 11:17:19 AM
I wouldn't exactly be thrilled with this especially for what we would have to give up.

His best days are behind him and he adds very little rebounding, rim protection, or defense.

If we are looking to give up a big package I would at least want Varejao, Smith, or Jefferson
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: pearljammer10 on November 16, 2012, 12:03:33 PM
I wouldnt be thrilled to give up Bass, Green and Lee for Amare at all. That package could definetly net us something better without the hassle of a terrible contract and a terribly injury prone player.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: Moranis on November 16, 2012, 12:08:52 PM
I wouldn't exactly be thrilled with this especially for what we would have to give up.

His best days are behind him and he adds very little rebounding, rim protection, or defense.

If we are looking to give up a big package I would at least want Varejao, Smith, or Jefferson
Amare's rebound rate for his career is 14.4.  Certainly not great, but is a lot better than Brandon Bass, who he would be replacing in the starting lineup.  It is also better than Josh Smith, who you seem to think is a massive upgrade over Amare. 
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: pearljammer10 on November 16, 2012, 12:13:22 PM
I wouldn't exactly be thrilled with this especially for what we would have to give up.

His best days are behind him and he adds very little rebounding, rim protection, or defense.

If we are looking to give up a big package I would at least want Varejao, Smith, or Jefferson
Amare's rebound rate for his career is 14.4.  Certainly not great, but is a lot better than Brandon Bass, who he would be replacing in the starting lineup.  It is also better than Josh Smith, who you seem to think is a massive upgrade over Amare.

Smith would undoubtedly be a massive upgrade over Stoudemire. Just from a defensive stand point alone. He is a better defender, has less of an injury risk, and is better overall on the offense end (passing driving shooting)as well.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: Fafnir on November 16, 2012, 12:21:14 PM
I wouldn't exactly be thrilled with this especially for what we would have to give up.

His best days are behind him and he adds very little rebounding, rim protection, or defense.

If we are looking to give up a big package I would at least want Varejao, Smith, or Jefferson
Amare's rebound rate for his career is 14.4.  Certainly not great, but is a lot better than Brandon Bass, who he would be replacing in the starting lineup.  It is also better than Josh Smith, who you seem to think is a massive upgrade over Amare.
Amar'e has his rebounding inflated by a few factors compared to Smith.

1. He's played a ton of C (compared to Smith being played at SF for chunks of his career)
2. He's also played with very few solid defensive rebounders so he avoids a lot of dimishing returns that other PFs can run into.

He would still be a large upgrade over Bass if his knees aren't done.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: blastoidesroidsnoids on November 16, 2012, 01:48:52 PM
Yeah I'm interested in taking another gamble with an injured player who is over 30 and misses a lot of games, and owe him 55 mil over the next 3 years.  I also take interest in trades that give a third of our roster to teams that I hate.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 16, 2012, 01:52:18 PM
I can't see Danny wasting time on Amare,  if he makes an upgrade it will be for someone in good health and younger who can hang around and help a few years.  ..ie  J Smith or Milsap

Last thing the Celtics need is another old worn out none jumping Big.  Watching  JO about drove me mad.
Title: Re: Anyone Interested in Amare.
Post by: nostar on November 19, 2012, 03:27:36 AM
I wouldnt be thrilled to give up Bass, Green and Lee for Amare at all. That package could definetly net us something better without the hassle of a terrible contract and a terribly injury prone player.

I'm not sure what you think that "package could net us". Bass is a pick-and-pop undersized PF. Lee is an athletic wing who sat on the shelf until almost the end of the summer before Danny made a brilliant move. Green is an athletic SF who has shown to be nothing but disappointment since he got to Boston. While I like all of these guys it's not like we're sitting on gold or anything.

I think about the Amare trade more and more as a possibility mid-season especially if things don't pick up by mid January. I think we'll start to hear rumors and this could definitely be one of them.

Green/Bass/Lee for Amare/Brewer.