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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: LarBrd33 on October 26, 2012, 01:47:57 AM
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I don't get the roster. Especially when Bradley comes back. Here's how I see it
Point Guards:
Rondo - Top 5 PG in the world. Excellent
... ?
Shooting Guards
Terry - Good undersized scorer off the bench.
Barbosa - Good undersized scorer off the bench.
Lee - Average fringe starter
Bradley - Unproven undersized defender with potential
Small Forwards
Pierce - Solid, but old. Fringe all-star at his age
JEff Green - Starter-caliber backup getting paid starter money
Power Forwards
KG - 37 years old, but played like an MVP candidate last year
Bass - Solid backup
Sullinger - Unproven and undersized. Backup and future fringe starter
Darko - bleh
Wilcox - bleh
Maybe it all works out. Maybe it doesn't.... Seems to me we are shooting guard heavy and could use a impact big to put next to KG.
Who are the likely mid-season targets?
Josh Smith is the obvious choice since he isn't re-signing in Atlanta and some combo of 1st rounders, shooting guards and young prospects could theoretically make Atlanta bite.
I'm gonna go out on the limb and say Al Jefferson is another obvious target. With the way 20 year old Enes Kanter and 21 year old Favors are playing in the pre-season... those two are clearly the future bigs in Utah. Millisap makes 8.6 mil. Big Al makes a bloated 15 mil this year... both of those guys are free agents at the end of the year. Do they both factor into Utah's long term thinking?
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A realistic big man target would be whatever minimum salary guy you think can be acquired for Barbosa if he becomes expendable due to a healthy Bradley.
The math just makes it seem unlikely that the Celtics can acquire a quality big making a significant salary. The thing that would change that is a player making more than the minimum being injured so severely that he is effectively trade ballast only being included to make salaries match up.
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A realistic big man target would be whatever minimum salary guy you think can be acquired for Barbosa if he becomes expendable due to a healthy Bradley.
The math just makes it seem unlikely that the Celtics can acquire a quality big making a significant salary. The thing that would change that is a player making more than the minimum being injured so severely that he is effectively trade ballast only being included to make salaries match up.
This.
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A realistic big man target would be whatever minimum salary guy you think can be acquired for Barbosa if he becomes expendable due to a healthy Bradley.
The math just makes it seem unlikely that the Celtics can acquire a quality big making a significant salary. The thing that would change that is a player making more than the minimum being injured so severely that he is effectively trade ballast only being included to make salaries match up.
Why wouldn't the math work out?
Bass makes 6 mil. Terry and Lee are both making 5 mil each. Can't we take back 150% salary?
There's options. Pierce (16.7 mil) for Big Al (15 mil) straight up would work. Jeff Green (9 mil) could be traded... I think landing a quality big is important. Trading a min contract Barbosa (solid backup) for a min contract big (some crap player) doesn't solve the issue.
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Sullinger is a future fringe starter?
And what, Bradley's a potentially effective on-ball defender?
Please. Average starter at worst. Wait til he just starts stroking it from mid-range with a super cool demeanor. Not saying he'll come out of the gate shooting and making lots of jumpers, but it's coming. Offensive nightmare to gameplan for is his basement.
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Sullinger is a future fringe starter?
And what, Bradley's a potentially effective on-ball defender?
Please. Average starter at worst. Wait til he just starts stroking it from mid-range with a super cool demeanor. Not saying he'll come out of the gate shooting and making lots of jumpers, but it's coming. Offensive nightmare to gameplan for is his basement.
Maybe if Utah intends to keep Big Al, we should target one of their young bigs (Kanter or Favors)... although we'd have to give up a lot more than just Avery Bradley for Utah to part with one of those studs.
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It's funny... I just checked a Utah forum and found a Utah fan saying this:
I like Jefferson commitment with the team, and its sad for him but Millsap is more versatile, can play with either Kanter or Favors and will be cheaper than Big Al.
So it's crystal clear for me, Jefferson needs to go before trade deadline.
I'd try to make a deal with Boston, they could very well use Big Al, and they can send over something like Bass+Courtney Lee, or so, Lee would be awesome for Utah, and Bass is a serviciable player and his contract it's fine.
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Houston might indeed chuckle at Sully for Favors right now, but let's see what kind of numbers Jared is putting up closer to the trade deadline. I think there's a good chance that this proposal may not seem quite as laughable at that point.
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I think the most realistic opportunity I'd love is Varejao. Makes about 8m, I think?
Would be a nightmare on defense with KG, and is a superb offensive rebounder.
I believe Bass and Sully or Bradley, with some pick(s) thrown in, might get Cleveland to think and works easily money wise.
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A realistic big man target would be whatever minimum salary guy you think can be acquired for Barbosa if he becomes expendable due to a healthy Bradley.
The math just makes it seem unlikely that the Celtics can acquire a quality big making a significant salary. The thing that would change that is a player making more than the minimum being injured so severely that he is effectively trade ballast only being included to make salaries match up.
Why wouldn't the math work out?
Bass makes 6 mil. Terry and Lee are both making 5 mil each. Can't we take back 150% salary?
The Celtics are also facing a hard cap because the team used the full MLE and are close enough to it that they are probably only doing a trade where they have less salary coming in than going out.
If I were going to be realistic about suggesting trades, I would work under the assumption that Ainge isn't trading Rondo, Garnett, Pierce, Bass, Terry, Green, or Bradley unless he is being offered a ridiculously lopsided deal. The exception is if the team is doing so poorly or is so injured that Ainge is in blow-it-up or hail-mary-trade-to-salvage-the-season mode or if a player is a locker room problem who the team is willing to practically give away.
I could see Lee getting way fewer minutes than he expected and becoming unhappy enough to embrace a trade, so I'd look for someone who has around the same salary or a bit less, perhaps an under-performing former lottery pick who has failed to crack his team's starting lineup but who you think would do better in the Celtics system. I'd abandon the idea of acquiring a veteran with a track record of being an above average starter. If that's what you want, you are better off hoping that a player with an expiring contract is bought out and wants to be a Celtic.
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It's funny... I just checked a Utah forum and found a Utah fan saying this:
I like Jefferson commitment with the team, and its sad for him but Millsap is more versatile, can play with either Kanter or Favors and will be cheaper than Big Al.
So it's crystal clear for me, Jefferson needs to go before trade deadline.
I'd try to make a deal with Boston, they could very well use Big Al, and they can send over something like Bass+Courtney Lee, or so, Lee would be awesome for Utah, and Bass is a serviciable player and his contract it's fine.
I'd rather not give them CLee.
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A realistic big man target would be whatever minimum salary guy you think can be acquired for Barbosa if he becomes expendable due to a healthy Bradley.
The math just makes it seem unlikely that the Celtics can acquire a quality big making a significant salary. The thing that would change that is a player making more than the minimum being injured so severely that he is effectively trade ballast only being included to make salaries match up.
Why wouldn't the math work out?
Bass makes 6 mil. Terry and Lee are both making 5 mil each. Can't we take back 150% salary?
There's options. Pierce (16.7 mil) for Big Al (15 mil) straight up would work. Jeff Green (9 mil) could be traded... I think landing a quality big is important. Trading a min contract Barbosa (solid backup) for a min contract big (some crap player) doesn't solve the issue.
First of all, whether you like it or not, KG's playing center now, and he's a perfectly adequate center. Secondly I don't think we can take on salary because we have to be under a certain dollar amount in order to pay Terry what we did.
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Power Forwards
KG - 37 years old, but played like an MVP candidate last year
36.
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Since Green can't be traded this year the most we can offer is a package of
Bass + Bradley
Lee + Sullinger
Bass, Sullinger and Bradley
Bass, Lee and Bradley
The last 2 would leave us short at the sg spot so unless we are also getting a decent sg guard along with a upgrade at big man then it wouldn't make much sense.
Big man targets around 7-10 mil
Gortat
Millsap
Varajeo
I would love Gortat or Varajeo on this team if we could get them for a package of Lee or bradley and Bass
PG: Rondo / Terry
SG: Bradley or lee / Barbosa
SF: PP / Green
PF: KG / Sully
C: Gortat or Varajeo / Darko
That would be a great front court without giving up our depth at the SG spot .
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i'd love to get millsap. major upgrade over bass.
bradley and bass for millsap works.
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Smith Jefferson and millsaps names are all bound to come up many times before the trade deadline. I can see us using a bass, Bradley, filler mult picks package to land a bigger fish especially if sully pans out.
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i'd love to get millsap. major upgrade over bass.
bradley and bass for millsap works.
If Millsap is available because Utah has a surplus of bigs, I think you'd have to offer them a package that does not include another big locked up for a few more years.
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Since Green can't be traded this year
As far as I can tell, Green can be traded after January 15.
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I'm going to wait until I know we actually need a legit bigman before I put in trade proposals.
If everything is going the way we want it too, why would we make any trades?
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This roster is being constructed to beat the Heat. Any "bigman" they trade for will have to be somebody mobile enough to guard LeBron part-time. Big Al does not fit that bill. Josh Smith does. If the C's could throw a combination of Pierce, Green, and Smith at LeBron defensively, that would be pretty effective.
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No on Josh Smith. I understand he's really good, borderline All-Star but I'm not really high on him. I think Jeff Green can do the stuff he does, minus the shot blocking.
AL Jefferson is a bad contract and a black hole, pass.
The name I'd really like is Spencer Hawes. He's not a big household name but with Bynum on board Philly, I think he could be had for the right price.
While he's not a dominant defender, he's solid enough. Good rebounder and a very underrated mid range game, he can shoot from 20 feet. And the fact that he's only 24 and still has room to grow will be a great addition.
I understand he's no All-Star name, but with what we have at our expense, and with what he can bring for us, it'll be great.
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The name I'd really like is Spencer Hawes. He's not a big household name but with Bynum on board Philly, I think he could be had for the right price.
Bass for Hawes could make some sense for Philly.
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Tyrus Thomas!!!
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Tyrus Thomas!!!
I'd love to see Tyrus Thomas as this team's starting PF instead of Bass.
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A realistic big man target would be whatever minimum salary guy you think can be acquired for Barbosa if he becomes expendable due to a healthy Bradley.
The math just makes it seem unlikely that the Celtics can acquire a quality big making a significant salary. The thing that would change that is a player making more than the minimum being injured so severely that he is effectively trade ballast only being included to make salaries match up.
Why wouldn't the math work out?
Bass makes 6 mil. Terry and Lee are both making 5 mil each. Can't we take back 150% salary?
There's options. Pierce (16.7 mil) for Big Al (15 mil) straight up would work. Jeff Green (9 mil) could be traded... I think landing a quality big is important. Trading a min contract Barbosa (solid backup) for a min contract big (some crap player) doesn't solve the issue.
Jeff Green can't be traded until after this season (when his Bird Rights vest). Otherwise, yeah, the other salaries are technically trade-able (after mid-season FA thresholds are past for a couple of them).
How much salary we can take back depends on the cap status of both teams and also on how far under the hard cap. For example, even if a trade scenario by itself allowed us to bring back 3M more than we sent out - that would push us over the hard cap. At this point, after adding Barbosa, I think we can only afford to bring back about 1M more than we send out.
Bass and Lee are probably the most movable. Their contracts are modest and they are young.
That said, I don't expect any such move unless the team stinks up the joint or someone important gets injured.
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all ex wizard players are potiental...all were good quality players not properly trained or introduced to NBA or allowed to mature correct. All will play better under Doc Rivers
Bass /Green /? for Josh Smith
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all ex wizard players are potiental...all were good quality players not properly trained or introduced to NBA or allowed to mature correct. All will play better under Doc Rivers
Bass /Green /? for Josh Smith
1.We can't trade Green this season. His contract prevents it from happening.
2.Atlanta would not accept lesser players on longer contracts for a borderline all-star on an expiring contract. Any sensible team would prefer cap space being open over it being filled by role players. Considering Atlanta just got rid of JJ for scraps, they would be doing the exact opposite by getting rid of JSmoove.
3.Most importantly, why would we trade guys who just signed with us?! The whole point of Bass and Green coming back and Lee coming here was to prove to younger players that Boston is an attractive destination. Trading them basically destroys that notion.
People, we are FINE the way we are. Unless there is a glaring weakness that needs to be addressed during the season, we don't need to make any modifications to this roster.
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all ex wizard players are potiental...all were good quality players not properly trained or introduced to NBA or allowed to mature correct. All will play better under Doc Rivers
Bass /Green /? for Josh Smith
1.We can't trade Green this season. His contract prevents it from happening.
2.Atlanta would not accept lesser players on longer contracts for a borderline all-star on an expiring contract. Any sensible team would prefer cap space being open over it being filled by role players. Considering Atlanta just got rid of JJ for scraps, they would be doing the exact opposite by getting rid of JSmoove.
3.Most importantly, why would we trade guys who just signed with us?! The whole point of Bass and Green coming back and Lee coming here was to prove to younger players that Boston is an attractive destination. Trading them basically destroys that notion.
People, we are FINE the way we are. Unless there is a glaring weakness that needs to be addressed during the season, we don't need to make any modifications to this roster.
I am pretty sure Green can be traded after January 15th. Agree on item 2 though.
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No on Josh Smith. I understand he's really good, borderline All-Star but I'm not really high on him. I think Jeff Green can do the stuff he does, minus the shot blocking.
AL Jefferson is a bad contract and a black hole, pass.
The name I'd really like is Spencer Hawes. He's not a big household name but with Bynum on board Philly, I think he could be had for the right price.
While he's not a dominant defender, he's solid enough. Good rebounder and a very underrated mid range game, he can shoot from 20 feet. And the fact that he's only 24 and still has room to grow will be a great addition.
I understand he's no All-Star name, but with what we have at our expense, and with what he can bring for us, it'll be great.
This is the final year of Big Al's contract. It's not a bad contract. He makes 15 mil this year. Utah might not have any long-term plans for him since they have Favors and Kanter as their future bigs. That makes Big Al pretty available mid-season, if you ask me. If Utah doesn't intend to re-sign him, they might want to get some assets for him before Al expires. Like that Utah fan suggested... possibly for a package as small as Courtney Lee and Brandon Bass.
Then maybe you can re-sign him in the offseason to a reasonable contract.
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Jeff Green can't be traded until after this season (when his Bird Rights vest).
That's not the rule at all. Players who will have their Bird or early Bird rights can't be traded without their consent if they are on a one-year contract. Green is not on a one-year contract.
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This is the final year of Big Al's contract. It's not a bad contract. He makes 15 mil this year. Utah might not have any long-term plans for him since they have Favors and Kanter as their future bigs. That makes Big Al pretty available mid-season, if you ask me. If Utah doesn't intend to re-sign him, they might want to get some assets for him before Al expires. Like that Utah fan suggested... possibly for a package as small as Courtney Lee and Brandon Bass.
Utah should try to hold out for a young player, a first-round draft pick, and salaries to make the deal work. If I were them, I would ask for Bradley and the Celtics' 2014 first round pick that has at most top three lottery protection. The question is whether or not a team wants to take on 3-4 years of a player like Bass, Lee, or Green. It makes more sense for the Celtics, who have a core in place, to have those complimentary players locked up in long-term deals. It makes less sense for Utah, which despite not being seen as a free agent destination seems interested in clearing cap space to chase some players in the 2013 off-season.
I think Jefferson being bought out after the trade deadline because no one will meet the high price and being willing to come back to Boston is more likely than a trade as a way for Big Al to be back in Green.
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Dirk for some young players, picks and salary stuffers?
Dallas haven't got a hope this year.
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My Trade Idea (Not sure if the money would work)
Celtics:
Josh Smith
Mike Scott
Hawks:
Tyler Zeller
Fab Melo
Chris Wilcox
Celtics 1st round pick
Cavaliers 2nd round pick
Cavaliers:
Brandon Bass
Avery Bradley
Celtics get Josh Smith. He can help in so many ways and a huge upgrade at the starting power foward spot. Yes, we do give up alot to get him but even after the trade we have great depth. Josh Smith is the piece that can put us into the elite catergory with LA, Miami, and OKC.
Hawks get two young centers who could be good and pretty much two 1st round picks to help rebuild. Also, they keep cap space. Gettting two players like Fab Melo and Tyler Zeller + 2 first round picks while keeping cap space for a player that might leave anyway, seems like a good deal.
The Cavaliers also get a pretty good deal. They get a veteran PF. Also, they get Avery Bradley that may turn into a very valuable player. He can start at the SG and have Dion Waiters come off the bench like he did at Syracuse. It can be like the Thunder starting the defensive Sefolosha over Harden. I think this trade makes Cleveland better.
If this trade doesn't work:
Celtics:
Paul Millsap
Jazz:
Brandon Bass
Leandro Barbosa
1st round pick
I'm not sure what Utah wants for Millsap but the get a pretty good power foward, a pick, and more minute for Favors. We get an upgrade at the 4, a player that scored 46 points against the Miami Heat in 2010.
Rondo/Terry
Lee/Barbosa
Pierce/Green
Smith/Sullinger
Garnett/Milicic
Or
Rondo/Terry
Bradley/Lee
Pierce/Green
Millsap/Sullinger
Garnett/Milicic
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I think Varejao makes the most sense. His salary isn't too hard to fit into our salary restrictions, he's extremely well-regarded by Doc Rivers, and his skill-set is a great fit for the team.
His injury history does make me queasy about giving up a lot for him - say Bass/Bradley/Melo or Lee/Sully/Melo- but I still think he's the most likely target.
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I'm not a fan of Varejao, but I understand why some people like him. Seems like a capable rebounder and alright defender.
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Dirk for some young players, picks and salary stuffers?
Dallas haven't got a hope this year.
yup...this might be a good one/two shot deal at stomping the heat. Sacfrice bunch of good young players to hang a banner.
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Dirk for some young players, picks and salary stuffers?
Dallas haven't got a hope this year.
yup...this might be a good one/two shot deal at stomping the heat. Sacfrice bunch of good young players to hang a banner.
He has one of the few no-trade clauses... if he agrees is only way he will leave there.
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Jeff Green can't be traded until after this season (when his Bird Rights vest).
That's not the rule at all. Players who will have their Bird or early Bird rights can't be traded without their consent if they are on a one-year contract. Green is not on a one-year contract.
He _would_ have been on a one-year contract last year if he had not failed his physical and would have been untradable as his Bird rights vested. But he never played that season and the C's waived him so they never vested. He technically should have been an unrestricted free agent this summer.
Yet the C's just signed him to a contract that was way over their salary cap.
The only way they could have done that is if the league granted them an exception - treating Green's contract as if they had Bird rights already. I've heard from various sources that the deal includes that they can't trade him without his permission until after his Bird rights have actually vested. Note that the amount (9M) is the same as the qualifying offer that they gave him to assert their RFA rights the prior season.
Basically, it looks like this season is a reset of where Green would have been last season, with a built-in extension to follow.
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The Celtics never waived Green. They withdrew their qualifying offer, voiding the contract, but they retained his Bird rights, which they already had.
Have you heard that Green is untradeable from a source that is more reliable than a random poster on the RealGM forums?
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Dirk for some young players, picks and salary stuffers?
Dallas haven't got a hope this year.
yup...this might be a good one/two shot deal at stomping the heat. Sacfrice bunch of good young players to hang a banner.
He has one of the few no-trade clauses... if he agrees is only way he will leave there.
Dirk agreeing to move to a contender and win rings is not the issue...Its getting the organisation to agree that would be the major hurdle.
Massive long shot, but stranger things have happened.
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Jeff Green can't be traded until after this season (when his Bird Rights vest). Otherwise, yeah, the other salaries are technically trade-able (after mid-season FA thresholds are past for a couple of them).
Do you have a link for this? I haven't heard anything about this.
It would seem to me his Bird Rights should already be vested. We used Bird Rights to sign him, and he has a 4 year contract. I can't see how a voided 1 year contract and rescinded QO would bear any relevance.
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I'm not a fan of Varejao, but I understand why some people like him. Seems like a capable rebounder and alright defender.
He's slightly over rated but he hustles and runs the floor better than pretty much any big man in the NBA. Good rebounder too and can defend in the low post. Would be great to go up against Bynum/Chandler/Noah and then Gasol/Dwight.
I think Big Al or Millsap would be great because KG can make up for their defensive inefficiencies and all they'd have to do against Miami is protect the rim against Lebron and Wade trying to get to the hole when Bosh steps out and brings KG with him.
Of course we could also hope that Bass improves his basket protection this year, but his length is very questionable.
Darko will be great for this in the playoffs- Collins too.
Poor KG does need help and I do think we have stock piled a bunch of guards to make a move for an impact big.
Hopefully it's a big man that can patrol/enforce/protect the basket and also go to work on offense in the post 1v1 when KG or Bass steps out to shoot the long jumpshot.
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The Celtics never waived Green. They withdrew their qualifying offer, voiding the contract, but they retained his Bird rights, which they already had.
Have you heard that Green is untradeable from a source that is more reliable than a random poster on the RealGM forums?
Yeah, I caught Roy's post in the other thread. If he was not waived then he was not an UFA and we'd have retained rights.
I do have this from what I consider a reliable source, but it is not one I have a link or quote from as it is a real person contact. He is in a position to know about this and was adamant that Green can't be traded - but that's all I've got from him so far. I have been trying to figure out the technical reason behind what he told me.
IF we had Bird Rights, then all the surface details point to a Jan 15 trade eligible date. It bugs me that I can't figure this out.
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Just saw the news on the Harden trade. I'm betting Ferry had his eye on him for free agency to pair with Horford. He still probably does as I don't expect Harden is gonna be in a rush to sign an extension but it does make it difficult for Ferry. And since Smith won't be signing any extensions in ATL any soon they stand to lose Smith for nothing all while the picking in Free Agency after Harden are very slim. It makes more sense for Ferry to definitely move Smith for any young players and/or tradeable assets that he can get his hands on. His rosters save for Horford, Teague and Lou Williams is gonna be nothing unless he adds some talent.
So the question is now, who has the assets to trade for Smith, and who can afford to resign him after that?
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Varejao would be great but I don't think he gets on with KG, they're like yin and yang. In a perfect world I would suggest Andrew Bogut, but he makes too much coin at the moment ($16m?) plus it would need a roll of the dice on how his ankle surgery turns out.
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Varejao would be great but I don't think he gets on with KG, they're like yin and yang. In a perfect world I would suggest Andrew Bogut, but he makes too much coin at the moment ($16m?) plus it would need a roll of the dice on how his ankle surgery turns out.
They just gave up a bunch of goodies for Bogut. I don't think it's possible.
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Tiago splitter or Bismack biyombo
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Dirk is not coming to Boston. No way. Probably not even if Rondo was included.
Would love Milsap or Smith for the right price. Really can't see us moving Lee after we talked him into coming for less money.
Bass, Fab, Avery, Fillers, and picks for Smith.
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We need a mobile big man that can defend the pick and roll and also be a rebounder shot blocking presence when KG is out of the game. Darko will be decent against guys like bynum,but can't stay with Bosh and pick and roll defense is questionable
Josh Smith would be my first choice, I would give up green, sully and filler.
Varajeo would also be great next to kg and when kg takes a break
if we can't get an impact starting big man then at least bring in some like Chris Andersen(if he is clear of legal trouble) or even ben wallace to protect the rim. There's no way we are getting away with playing sully or bass at second string center against miami.
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We need a mobile big man that can defend the pick and roll and also be a rebounder shot blocking presence when KG is out of the game. Darko will be decent against guys like bynum,but can't stay with Bosh and pick and roll defense is questionable
Josh Smith would be my first choice, I would give up green, sully and filler.
Varajeo would also be great next to kg and when kg takes a break
if we can't get an impact starting big man then at least bring in some like Chris Andersen(if he is clear of legal trouble) or even ben wallace to protect the rim. There's no way we are getting away with playing sully or bass at second string center against miami.
Can't we take back 150% salary? Does a combo of Bass (6 mil), Sully (1.3 mil), Bradley (1.6 mil) and Melo (1.2 mil) ... Total 10.1 mil... for Josh Smith (13.2 mil) work financially?
I don't think we could make that trade until Dec 15th, but it seems like it would be our best offer. I'd be fine with hanging onto Jeff Green and I think Courtney Lee is better than Bradley anyways.
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We need a mobile big man that can defend the pick and roll and also be a rebounder shot blocking presence when KG is out of the game. Darko will be decent against guys like bynum,but can't stay with Bosh and pick and roll defense is questionable
Josh Smith would be my first choice, I would give up green, sully and filler.
Varajeo would also be great next to kg and when kg takes a break
if we can't get an impact starting big man then at least bring in some like Chris Andersen(if he is clear of legal trouble) or even ben wallace to protect the rim. There's no way we are getting away with playing sully or bass at second string center against miami.
Can't we take back 150% salary? Does a combo of Bass (6 mil), Sully (1.3 mil), Bradley (1.6 mil) and Melo (1.2 mil) ... Total 10.1 mil... for Josh Smith (13.2 mil) work financially?
I don't think we could make that trade until Dec 15th, but it seems like it would be our best offer. I'd be fine with hanging onto Jeff Green and I think Courtney Lee is better than Bradley anyways.
I believe we are only about a mil or so under the tax threshold. Any trade we make can only have that amount more coming in.
Rather limits us in trades, in a way. Mostly it means if we have to send mutliple players out, we have to have at least 13 players after the trade or an ability to sign players up to 13.
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Varejao makes perefect financial sense. Bass and either Sully or Bradley would do it.
I just wonder whether or not Cleveland is willing to move a fan favorite, and how much they would ask for if they were.
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I'm pushing for a Green/Bass/Pick for Josh Smith trade. Would help the pick n roll defense immensely and Smith is actually a great low post scoring threat. Something we havent had in a while.
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Varejao makes perefect financial sense. Bass and either Sully or Bradley would do it.
I just wonder whether or not Cleveland is willing to move a fan favorite, and how much they would ask for if they were.
I don't think Cleveland would have much interest in Bradley with Kyrie Irving and Dion Waiters there. Or Bass/Sully with Tristan Thompson (their PF of the future) there. Not worth sacrificing Varejao for a backup PF.
I think it would need to be Jeff Green to attract their interest.
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Varejao makes perefect financial sense. Bass and either Sully or Bradley would do it.
I just wonder whether or not Cleveland is willing to move a fan favorite, and how much they would ask for if they were.
I don't think Cleveland would have much interest in Bradley with Kyrie Irving and Dion Waiters there. Or Bass/Sully with Tristan Thompson (their PF of the future) there. Not worth sacrificing Varejao for a backup PF.
I think it would need to be Jeff Green to attract their interest.
I'd be all over a Jeff Green/Varejao swap if we could get Pietrus back.
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If the Bulls can't sign Taj Gibson to an extension and decide to trade him, would you be willing to trade for him, with the understanding that you need to give him at least $10m/year in the future to keep him, and if so, what would you be willing to give up for him? I doubt it will happen and I doubt the Celtics can outbid all other teams, but I am interested in what people would be willing to do.
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Doc won't be playing any "bigs" except maybe Smith, so don't even ask for these so called bigs! Doc thinks the only way we win is by playing small ball. Instead of taking advantage of Mia's weaknesses (bigs & PG)! We constantly play Mia's way instead of forcing their hand!
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If the Bulls can't sign Taj Gibson to an extension and decide to trade him, would you be willing to trade for him, with the understanding that you need to give him at least $10m/year in the future to keep him, and if so, what would you be willing to give up for him? I doubt it will happen and I doubt the Celtics can outbid all other teams, but I am interested in what people would be willing to do.
I don't think Boston have anything good enough to tempt Chicago here. Bass isn't good enough. Jeff Green doesn't have too much value with Luol Deng already there. Avery Bradley, maybe, feels like a long shot though. Maybe if those contract extensions bottom out they may consider Courtney Lee as a long term replacement for Rip Hamilton. Sounds questionable / unlikely.
$10 million sounds high. I think they should be able to get him for closer to $8 million which I would happy to pay.
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My dream is still that Hortford demands a trade and Atlanta falls in love with Green and Melo.
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Doc won't be playing any "bigs" except maybe Smith, so don't even ask for these so called bigs! Doc thinks the only way we win is by playing small ball. Instead of taking advantage of Mia's weaknesses (bigs & PG)! We constantly play Mia's way instead of forcing their hand!
Don't forget Doc caused Hurricane Sandy and is personally responsible for the sutuation in Egypt.
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Doc won't be playing any "bigs" except maybe Smith, so don't even ask for these so called bigs! Doc thinks the only way we win is by playing small ball. Instead of taking advantage of Mia's weaknesses (bigs & PG)! We constantly play Mia's way instead of forcing their hand!
Let's be honest, the Celtics do not have the big offensive threat down low to take advantage of that weakness.
And the real big men are too slow to keep up with the players the Heat are using at C and PF. (except KG)
I don't like it either, but I think Doc's hands are tied at the moment.
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Doc won't be playing any "bigs" except maybe Smith, so don't even ask for these so called bigs! Doc thinks the only way we win is by playing small ball. Instead of taking advantage of Mia's weaknesses (bigs & PG)! We constantly play Mia's way instead of forcing their hand!
Let's be honest, the Celtics do not have the big offensive threat down low to take advantage of that weakness.
And the real big men are too slow to keep up with the players the Heat are using at C and PF. (except KG)
I don't like it either, but I think Doc's hands are tied at the moment.
You can punish them with 6 hard fouls from Darko and by being a menace on the glass. A 7 footer automatically will have reach advantage on some 6'6 wing player trying to rebound. I'd love to see Lebron try and post up Collins, Darko, or KG. It will never happen. Similar to Wade they only go in the post against smaller defenders. Doc as usual obliges putting smaller guys on them.
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If the Bulls can't sign Taj Gibson to an extension and decide to trade him, would you be willing to trade for him, with the understanding that you need to give him at least $10m/year in the future to keep him, and if so, what would you be willing to give up for him? I doubt it will happen and I doubt the Celtics can outbid all other teams, but I am interested in what people would be willing to do.
I don't think Boston have anything good enough to tempt Chicago here. Bass isn't good enough. Jeff Green doesn't have too much value with Luol Deng already there. Avery Bradley, maybe, feels like a long shot though. Maybe if those contract extensions bottom out they may consider Courtney Lee as a long term replacement for Rip Hamilton. Sounds questionable / unlikely.
$10 million sounds high. I think they should be able to get him for closer to $8 million which I would happy to pay.
The whole point of my scenario is that Gibson reportedly wants $10m/year and the Bulls want to give him around $2m/year less, so they trade him because he is holding out for an amount they find completely unacceptable and they think someone will give it to him as a restricted free agent but they don't want to match.
So, what would you be willing to offer, knowing that Gibson is probably a one-year rental unless you are willing to probably overpay to lock him up?
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I'd love to see Lebron try and post up Collins, Darko, or KG.
Do you want to see Collins/Darko trying to defend Lebron out to the 3-pt line?
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I'd love to see Lebron try and post up Collins, Darko, or KG.
Do you want to see Collins/Darko trying to defend Lebron out to the 3-pt line?
Not necessarily. But I'd live with Lebron out there instead of in the post. Having a center in at all times would be a welcome change. Bass usually holds his own against Lebron whenever they matched up. And Jeff Green was outstanding last night few minutes he was on Wade.
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I'd love to see Lebron try and post up Collins, Darko, or KG.
Do you want to see Collins/Darko trying to defend Lebron out to the 3-pt line?
Not necessarily. But I'd live with Lebron out there instead of in the post. Having a center in at all times would be a welcome change. Bass usually holds his own against Lebron whenever they matched up. And Jeff Green was outstanding last night few minutes he was on Wade.
You really think he'd stay outside if Darko's guarding him? He drives with success on most perimeter players, let alone a center. There's a reason why we aren't doing this.
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If the Bulls can't sign Taj Gibson to an extension and decide to trade him, would you be willing to trade for him, with the understanding that you need to give him at least $10m/year in the future to keep him, and if so, what would you be willing to give up for him? I doubt it will happen and I doubt the Celtics can outbid all other teams, but I am interested in what people would be willing to do.
I don't think Boston have anything good enough to tempt Chicago here. Bass isn't good enough. Jeff Green doesn't have too much value with Luol Deng already there. Avery Bradley, maybe, feels like a long shot though. Maybe if those contract extensions bottom out they may consider Courtney Lee as a long term replacement for Rip Hamilton. Sounds questionable / unlikely.
$10 million sounds high. I think they should be able to get him for closer to $8 million which I would happy to pay.
The whole point of my scenario is that Gibson reportedly wants $10m/year and the Bulls want to give him around $2m/year less, so they trade him because he is holding out for an amount they find completely unacceptable and they think someone will give it to him as a restricted free agent but they don't want to match.
So, what would you be willing to offer, knowing that Gibson is probably a one-year rental unless you are willing to probably overpay to lock him up?
I think he'll sign for around $8 million with Chicago.
But if he doesn't ...
Not willing to give up Bradley. I want to see more of him before I'd consider trading him for a player like Taj Gibson. Only willing to move Bradley for someone with star talent at this point.
Happy to part with Jeff Green for Gibson. Or Bass. Or Courtney Lee. Or some combination of the three. I would be reluctant but willing to include Fab Melo in the trade as a sweetener. Sullinger? Yeah, probably so. I imagine the package would be something like Courtney Lee + 2-3 additional assets of either young players or draft picks (late firsts and/or maybe early an second).
Would I make that trade for a one-year rental? Or sign Gibson to a $10 mil a year extension? I wouldn't give an extension now anyway. I'd let it play out into restricted free agency and try to get him cheaper which has a strong chance of happening. I am comfortable taking that risk. Yeah, I'd trade for Gibson believing I can get him cheaper due to his restricted free agency.
It wouldn't be a first option type move but if other moves were unavailable, I would be willing to pay that price and take the risk on Gibson's contract in restricted free agency.
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I'd love to see Lebron try and post up Collins, Darko, or KG.
Do you want to see Collins/Darko trying to defend Lebron out to the 3-pt line?
Not necessarily. But I'd live with Lebron out there instead of in the post. Having a center in at all times would be a welcome change. Bass usually holds his own against Lebron whenever they matched up. And Jeff Green was outstanding last night few minutes he was on Wade.
You really think he'd stay outside if Darko's guarding him? He drives with success on most perimeter players, let alone a center. There's a reason why we aren't doing this.
Darko is center. last I checked Lebron isn't. All I'm saying we need a Center in at all times.
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Gibson would definitely be nice, but it's hard to see Chicago moving him without getting a quality defender/rebounder in return (which we don't have to offer). Thibs will play Noah for 48mpg if he's the only capable big man defender on the team.
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I'd love to see Lebron try and post up Collins, Darko, or KG.
Do you want to see Collins/Darko trying to defend Lebron out to the 3-pt line?
Not necessarily. But I'd live with Lebron out there instead of in the post. Having a center in at all times would be a welcome change. Bass usually holds his own against Lebron whenever they matched up. And Jeff Green was outstanding last night few minutes he was on Wade.
You really think he'd stay outside if Darko's guarding him? He drives with success on most perimeter players, let alone a center. There's a reason why we aren't doing this.
Darko is center. last I checked Lebron isn't. All I'm saying we need a Center in at all times.
No, what you said is that you'd like to see LeBron posting the center, which can't happen unless the center is actually guarding him.
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I'd love to see Lebron try and post up Collins, Darko, or KG.
Do you want to see Collins/Darko trying to defend Lebron out to the 3-pt line?
Not necessarily. But I'd live with Lebron out there instead of in the post. Having a center in at all times would be a welcome change. Bass usually holds his own against Lebron whenever they matched up. And Jeff Green was outstanding last night few minutes he was on Wade.
You really think he'd stay outside if Darko's guarding him? He drives with success on most perimeter players, let alone a center. There's a reason why we aren't doing this.
Darko is center. last I checked Lebron isn't. All I'm saying we need a Center in at all times.
I agree, IF Green can't guard LBJ and at least do something useful with his salary...might as well take that money and play the BIG man game like the Lakers. LA has TWO 7 foot players in the GAME all the time. LBJ is freak for his size and speed. Can't buy or find another LBJ, but we can get TWO very high calibre BIGS to contain him around the bucket , BLOCK HIM OUT and GET A rebound for once.
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Would you trade for Carlos Boozer?
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Would you trade for Carlos Boozer?
No.
I rather have a little less talent of a guy that will show up for the playoffs.
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I think they either need a Center with a post game (Jefferson?) or a dynamic PF (Smith.)
The problem right now is the roster depth is great, but the fit is terrible. Reminds me of a talented version of the 07 team. They need to consolidate some of the depth and establish fit.
The SG situation is going to be hard to manage when AB gets back: Lee, Terry, AB, Barbosa fighting for 58 minutes. Any two of them can reasonably take all of those minutes, which wouldn't be a problem if they were an option at SF (they aren't range from too small, to way too small), but with Green and PP, none of them should see SF minutes.
KG is a C. If you didn't get that memo last year, sorry. But it's where he's going to play outside of a starting caliber center with a good post game coming to the team. Even then he'd still play a lot of C.
PF situation is a mess too: Bass, Wilcox, Sullinger all need minutes to get going. But with two small forwards playing at times, that crunch is harder. Playing these guys at C isn't a great option either.
In terms of trades, things get difficult. I'm assuming Danny is not trading KG, Pierce, or Rondo. There's certainly no promise of that, but it just seems unlikely. Everyone else is move-able. Seems like AB is the best young guy teams might like, but probably they want to see he's recovered. Sullinger could play himself into trade bait. Someone might just like Melo. In terms of salaries, it would be weird to see Lee, Terry, Bass, or Green get moved. But if they pull a trade off, one, maybe two of them have to be involved.
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If they could pry Favors from Utah for a Bradley package
(a. Bradley, Bass, Wilcox, 1st rounder for Favors, Bell.
b. Bradley, Sully, Melo, Wilcox for Favors (Utah would have to make some cuts).)
this would help roster balance, with Lee and Terry signed for three years each.
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Would you trade for Carlos Boozer?
No.
I rather have a little less talent of a guy that will show up for the playoffs.
Carlos Boozer is proven to be spineless. No thanks.
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If they could pry Favors from Utah for a Bradley package
(a. Bradley, Bass, Wilcox, 1st rounder for Favors, Bell.
b. Bradley, Sully, Melo, Wilcox for Favors (Utah would have to make some cuts).)
this would help roster balance, with Lee and Terry signed for three years each.
I would be shocked if Utah trades Favors or Kanter for anything short of a young star. That is their frontcourt of the future.
I think it is much more likely that either Jefferson or Millsap will be available.
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If they could pry Favors from Utah for a Bradley package
(a. Bradley, Bass, Wilcox, 1st rounder for Favors, Bell.
b. Bradley, Sully, Melo, Wilcox for Favors (Utah would have to make some cuts).)
this would help roster balance, with Lee and Terry signed for three years each.
I think it would take a lot more than Bradley and SUlly to land favors... That kid is super talented.
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If they could pry Favors from Utah for a Bradley package
(a. Bradley, Bass, Wilcox, 1st rounder for Favors, Bell.
b. Bradley, Sully, Melo, Wilcox for Favors (Utah would have to make some cuts).)
this would help roster balance, with Lee and Terry signed for three years each.
I would be shocked if Utah trades Favors or Kanter for anything short of a young star. That is their frontcourt of the future.
I think it is much more likely that either Jefferson or Millsap will be available.
Yes Jefferson and Millsap are the available guys here. I think Jefferson in particular.
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To me, the most likely guy to be available, and attainable for what the C's would offer is Millsap.
I think Utah could be interested in trading him for some of the pieces the C's have. And he would certainly be an upgrade over the guys we are putting out there, but would he be enough?
Smith is also a possibility, and fits a big need with his defense, but I just think the asking price will be a lot higher for him, to the point where it won't make as much sense for the C's.
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The SG situation is going to be hard to manage when AB gets back: Lee, Terry, AB, Barbosa fighting for 58 minutes. Any two of them can reasonably take all of those minutes, which wouldn't be a problem if they were an option at SF (they aren't range from too small, to way too small), but with Green and PP, none of them should see SF minutes.
I sort of feel like the optimal scenario is to keep the roster as is to force Doc to play Sullinger, then if/when Bradley is back at 100%, flip Barbosa for a minimum-salary role-playing big.
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It is quite clear to me that Sully and Darko can't be counted on to play center when kg is out of the game. They are much too slow footed to keep up with quicker guards like Wade and tonight with Ellis and Jennings.
Darko can come in handy against low post centers like Bynum and Howard, but other than that I see no reason he should get mins
Sully would look so much better in the starting lineup IMO because at least he would have KG protecting him.
I would be very interested in possibly picking up Emeka Okafor for Bass, Lee and filler. Bass,Lee,Collins and Joseph should come close to making the money work.
PG: Rondo / Terry
SG: Bradley / Barbosa
SF: PP / Green
PF: Sully / Wilcox
C: KG / Emeka
Wash already has Nene at center, so maybe there is a realistic chance to get Okafor ?
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Jeff Green contract: ~9mil
Courtney Lee contract: ~5mil
Fab Melo Contract: ~1mil
Josh Smith contract: ~13.5mil
Green, Lee, Melo, and Picks for Smith
Rondo/Barbosa
Bradley/Terry
Pierce/Bass/Joseph
Smith/Sullinger/Wilcox
Garnett/Milicic/Collins
Makes sense in a lot of ways to me. Last time we were loaded with this much talent, we went out and got KG and Judas.
Pros for Boston:
1. Bradley guards Wade. Smith guards Lebron. Garnett guards Bosh. No other team in the NBA could shut down the Miami big 3 better than us.
2. Bass becomes a sixth man forward, and I think he would thrive there. He is very consistent and would provide bench scoring.
3. Clears up guard logjam once Bradley returns.
Pros for Atlanta:
1. Gets borderline star talent (Green), a scorer and defender, who would likely be their starting SG (Lee) and a FAB-ulous amount of potential.
2. Unloads Smith before he leaves for nothing.
EDIT: I'd also entertain the idea of swapping Sully for Melo, if it would get the deal done, but I'd rather not give him up.
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Green, Lee, Melo, and Picks for Smith
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Rondo/Barbosa
Bradley/Terry
Pierce/Bass/Joseph
Smith/Sullinger/Wilcox
Garnett/Milicic/Collins
Makes sense in a lot of ways to me. Last time we were loaded with this much talent, we went out and got KG and Judas.
Pros for Boston:
1. Bradley guards Wade. Smith guards Lebron. Garnett guards Bosh. No other team in the NBA could shut down the Miami big 3 better than us.
2. Bass becomes a sixth man forward, and I think he would thrive there. He is very consistent and would provide bench scoring.
3. Clears up guard logjam once Bradley returns.
Pros for Atlanta:
1. Gets borderline star talent (Green), a scorer and defender, who would likely be their starting SG (Lee) and a FAB-ulous amount of potential.
2. Unloads Smith before he leaves for nothing.
EDIT: I'd also entertain the idea of swapping Sully for Melo, if it would get the deal done, but I'd rather not give him up.
So many things wrong with this idea. I like the idea of getting Smith. This isn't going to do it. First Atlanta isn't likely to take back all the salary for Smith. Second, Bass isn't a SF...at all. Third Atlanta can get better value for him. If nothing else I'm sure they'd love an expiring contract rather than taking on 4 years of Green and 4 of Lee. Green has shown nothing since heart surgery and most GMs (Ainge excluded) are wary.
I would give Atlanta Bass, Lee and picks for Smith. I don't think they'd take it but that is what I'd offer. I imagine they could get more elsewhere which is why I think the best idea for us is to wait and try to get him to come here title-chasing.
In the meantime I'd look at Paul Millsap. Millsap would come easier from a trading standpoint because his salary is easier to match. Bass and either Melo or Sully would make it work money wise but I suspect it would take a first rounder or even two for the Jazz to get interested. They are rebuilding and will probably try to move Millsap around the trade deadline. They also have tons of back court players and SFs right now so they might welcome Bass and Melo/Sully. I'd give up 2 firsts and Bass/Melo or a first with Bass/Sully. I'd really try not to give up 2 firsts though :)
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If we are getting Josh Smith we would be giving up something significant like Bradley,Bass, and or 2 years draft picks.
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If we are getting Josh Smith we would be giving up something significant like Bradley,Bass, and or 2 years draft picks.
I dont think that is a significant loss when we gain Josh Smith...
I would trade Bradley, Bass, And 2 first rounders for Gortat...Anyway that deal can work?
Rondo/Terry
Lee/Terry/Barbosa
Pierce/Green
KG/Green/Suly
Gortat/Darko/Wilcox
Frees up more minutes for green off the bench (more effective in more minutes) and gives us a true center who can defend, rebound, and run the break.
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If we are getting Josh Smith we would be giving up something significant like Bradley,Bass, and or 2 years draft picks.
I dont think that is a significant loss when we gain Josh Smith...
I would trade Bradley, Bass, And 2 first rounders for Gortat...Anyway that deal can work?
Rondo/Terry
Lee/Terry/Barbosa
Pierce/Green
KG/Green/Suly
Gortat/Darko/Wilcox
Frees up more minutes for green off the bench (more effective in more minutes) and gives us a true center who can defend, rebound, and run the break.
Does that help them get past Miami in the East?
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It is quite clear to me that Sully and Darko can't be counted on to play center when kg is out of the game. They are much too slow footed to keep up with quicker guards like Wade and tonight with Ellis and Jennings.
Darko can come in handy against low post centers like Bynum and Howard, but other than that I see no reason he should get mins
Sully would look so much better in the starting lineup IMO because at least he would have KG protecting him.
I would be very interested in possibly picking up Emeka Okafor for Bass, Lee and filler. Bass,Lee,Collins and Joseph should come close to making the money work.
PG: Rondo / Terry
SG: Bradley / Barbosa
SF: PP / Green
PF: Sully / Wilcox
C: KG / Emeka
Wash already has Nene at center, so maybe there is a realistic chance to get Okafor ?
TP. That's actually a solid idea. The Wizards stink and Okafor is seen as "overpaid", but on a team like Boston he'd be perfect. Kind of like a rich man's Perk. I've always liked him. I feel like he's destined to have a Marcus Camby type of career where for years everyone complains about how he's overpaid and a bum... but ultimately finds a home on a contender and is proven to be a very capable and solid defensive veteran big man.
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We can't afford Okafor without giving up a lot. It would take 2 of Bass/Green/Lee. Okafor makes as much as Josh Smith and if we're going to give up assets for a big guy I'd like to nab a young borderline all-star rather than an old under-sized center.
Oh and I like Okafor. Good guy and a smart basketball player. Not a 13M player. At. All.
I would trade Bradley, Bass, And 2 first rounders for Gortat...Anyway that deal can work?
God that is tempting. Yeah I might but I'd like to keep Bradley if at all possible. I'd sooner trade Sullinger than Bradley.
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We can't afford Okafor without giving up a lot. It would take 2 of Bass/Green/Lee. Okafor makes as much as Josh Smith and if we're going to give up assets for a big guy I'd like to nab a young borderline all-star rather than an old under-sized center.
Oh and I like Okafor. Good guy and a smart basketball player. Not a 13M player. At. All.
Yeah he makes a lot.. he makes about equal to Bass and Lee combined. And if Avery Bradley is as good as people on this board suggest he is... Lee and Bass are totally expendable.
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I think IF DA eventually does a deal , it will be for a player that the rest of the team probally wants and will fit in as well. Our Alstars of KG and PP are getting to old to carry the team ...we are gonna need a couple new Alstars to compete it appears.
Josh Smith.
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It is quite clear to me that Sully and Darko can't be counted on to play center when kg is out of the game. They are much too slow footed to keep up with quicker guards like Wade and tonight with Ellis and Jennings.
Darko can come in handy against low post centers like Bynum and Howard, but other than that I see no reason he should get mins
Sully would look so much better in the starting lineup IMO because at least he would have KG protecting him.
I would be very interested in possibly picking up Emeka Okafor for Bass, Lee and filler. Bass,Lee,Collins and Joseph should come close to making the money work.
PG: Rondo / Terry
SG: Bradley / Barbosa
SF: PP / Green
PF: Sully / Wilcox
C: KG / Emeka
Wash already has Nene at center, so maybe there is a realistic chance to get Okafor ?
TP. That's actually a solid idea. The Wizards stink and Okafor is seen as "overpaid", but on a team like Boston he'd be perfect. Kind of like a rich man's Perk. I've always liked him. I feel like he's destined to have a Marcus Camby type of career where for years everyone complains about how he's overpaid and a bum... but ultimately finds a home on a contender and is proven to be a very capable and solid defensive veteran big man.
I realize it is early, and I try not to overreact too much based on the first few games of the season, but it appears this Celtic team could use a tweak in the form of compression. There is too much talent and position redundancy on this roster. So as it happens, I would be strongly in favor of a Bass and Lee for this type of deal. I feel like they are most expendable and they have the contracts and value that could net the most return. I like this idea and the players involved.
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I'm not sure if I said this already. But outside of Paul, KG and Rondo, give the Warriors whoever they want and bring Bogut here.
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It is quite clear to me that Sully and Darko can't be counted on to play center when kg is out of the game. They are much too slow footed to keep up with quicker guards like Wade and tonight with Ellis and Jennings.
Darko can come in handy against low post centers like Bynum and Howard, but other than that I see no reason he should get mins
Sully would look so much better in the starting lineup IMO because at least he would have KG protecting him.
I would be very interested in possibly picking up Emeka Okafor for Bass, Lee and filler. Bass,Lee,Collins and Joseph should come close to making the money work.
PG: Rondo / Terry
SG: Bradley / Barbosa
SF: PP / Green
PF: Sully / Wilcox
C: KG / Emeka
Wash already has Nene at center, so maybe there is a realistic chance to get Okafor ?
TP. That's actually a solid idea. The Wizards stink and Okafor is seen as "overpaid", but on a team like Boston he'd be perfect. Kind of like a rich man's Perk. I've always liked him. I feel like he's destined to have a Marcus Camby type of career where for years everyone complains about how he's overpaid and a bum... but ultimately finds a home on a contender and is proven to be a very capable and solid defensive veteran big man.
I really like it for Washington. Don't like the mix of Okafor-Nene and Ariza/Vesely/Singleton in the frontcourt. I think a jump-shooter like Bass would be a really good fit alongside Nene is more of a spaced out offense. Then Courtney Lee as a two way player who provides plus defense and strong outside shooting to space the floor for Wall and Nene to create.
PG - Wall, Crawford
SG - Lee, Beal
SF - Ariza, Vesely, Singleton
PF - Bass, Booker
C - Nene, Seraphin
That is a nice team. Better than their current group.
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I think IF DA eventually does a deal , it will be for a player that the rest of the team probally wants and will fit in as well. Our Alstars of KG and PP are getting to old to carry the team ...we are gonna need a couple new Alstars to compete it appears.
Josh Smith.
Here's the latest on Josh Smith per ESPN:
Atlanta's Josh Smith has an expiring contract and an apparent fan in Magic Johnson, who playfully suggested during a Fantasy GM segment on Friday night's "NBA Countdown" show that he'd love to see the Lakers trade for Smith -- even if it meant surrendering Pau Gasol -- because L.A. so badly needs athletes.
Dwight Howard would surely learn to live with such a swap, too, given how close he and Smith are off the court, but there's precisely zero evidence in circulation to suggest it's anything other than a fun discussion for TV/entertainment purposes.
The distinct vibe you get when you ask around is that Smith will most likely finish the season in Atlanta, flashing onto your screens in adidas commercials when he’s not trying to sneak the Hawks into the playoffs and then proceeding to free agency in search of a new long-term deal. There's a benefit to holding off, since the longest in-season extension Smith could get with the Hawks is a three-year deal. The Hawks also appear intent on preserving as much cap flexibility as they can for a busy offseason.
So those concerned about the state of the Lakers, like Magic, should probably start looking elsewhere for saviors.
Source: http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-121102-04/weekend-dime-why-lebron-james-not-perfect-10
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I'm not sure if I said this already. But outside of Paul, KG and Rondo, give the Warriors whoever they want and bring Bogut here.
Yes I also think Bogut would be a perfect fit in the middle for the Cs. He's restricted to 20 mins a game at the moment but should be back to normal by the time the playoffs start next year.
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It is quite clear to me that Sully and Darko can't be counted on to play center when kg is out of the game. They are much too slow footed to keep up with quicker guards like Wade and tonight with Ellis and Jennings.
Darko can come in handy against low post centers like Bynum and Howard, but other than that I see no reason he should get mins
Sully would look so much better in the starting lineup IMO because at least he would have KG protecting him.
I would be very interested in possibly picking up Emeka Okafor for Bass, Lee and filler. Bass,Lee,Collins and Joseph should come close to making the money work.
PG: Rondo / Terry
SG: Bradley / Barbosa
SF: PP / Green
PF: Sully / Wilcox
C: KG / Emeka
Wash already has Nene at center, so maybe there is a realistic chance to get Okafor ?
New Orleans just paid ~$13 mil (waiving Rashard) to get Okafor's contract off the books. I don't think he's the most expensive get, unless Washington values him inordinately.
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To me, the most likely guy to be available, and attainable for what the C's would offer is Millsap.
I think Utah could be interested in trading him for some of the pieces the C's have. And he would certainly be an upgrade over the guys we are putting out there, but would he be enough?
Smith is also a possibility, and fits a big need with his defense, but I just think the asking price will be a lot higher for him, to the point where it won't make as much sense for the C's.
I agree. He offers a pretty similar skillset to David West, and we know the C's were keen on adding that to this group.
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I've never been a Josh Smith fan, he's too much of a knucklehead on the court - has a bit too much TA in him. But I gotta say, if their pick and role defense continues to stink, I'd love to see him in Boston just to provide weakside rotations to protect the rim.
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We can't afford Okafor without giving up a lot. It would take 2 of Bass/Green/Lee. Okafor makes as much as Josh Smith and if we're going to give up assets for a big guy I'd like to nab a young borderline all-star rather than an old under-sized center.
Oh and I like Okafor. Good guy and a smart basketball player. Not a 13M player. At. All.
I would trade Bradley, Bass, And 2 first rounders for Gortat...Anyway that deal can work?
God that is tempting. Yeah I might but I'd like to keep Bradley if at all possible. I'd sooner trade Sullinger than Bradley.
I'd like to keep Bradley as well but you gotta give something up to get something in return. Will Bradley someday be better then lee? Maybe but would having lee/terry/barbosa and gortat be better than lee/terry/barbosa/Bradley and no center? Tempting enough for me I think. Tough call.
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I'm not sure if I said this already. But outside of Paul, KG and Rondo, give the Warriors whoever they want and bring Bogut here.
Yes I also think Bogut would be a perfect fit in the middle for the Cs. He's restricted to 20 mins a game at the moment but should be back to normal by the time the playoffs start next year.
Bogut would be a good target especially because the warriors have not been utilizing him at all. He played I think 18 minutes each game thus far.
With that being said my number one target would still be josh smith by far.
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The problem was in the first game matching up with Miami's line up. Bass on Battier doesn't work well. And once KG went out, no one could protect the rim. Bass just doesn't cut it as a starting PF.
He did well last season, but they also had no choice and know one really new his game. He was better coming off the bench. Now people run at him, he tries to make a dribble move and he looses it. On D he's not quick enough to recover. It's why the pick and roll D sucks right now. And the guy coming in after him is Sully who is still learning the system and is has the same problems as Bass.
We need a quick PF. Big Al doesn't help. Smith is the ideal player for the system. People say he's a knuckle head on the court, but who has he played with that ever set him straight. He'd have KG,PP and Rondo, and even Terry.
Now it will take a 3 or 4 team trade with one of them having some extra money and young potential players to make that deal happen. I'd hate to give up Lee with AB's tendency for injury, and also that it looks bad that a team tried like crazy to get a young guy only to trade him a few months later.
But that being said if AB comes in like he did at the end of last season he's as good as Lee with Better D, but giving up some size. But I'd rather some how keep both. I think they fill each others weakness's .
So Bass/Melo/Barbosa/Joseph would be on the block right now. I know it doesn't quite match up for Smith's salary, but get a third team in there it could work.
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If Bradley returns healthy, would you be willing to trade Courtney Lee to Milwaukee for Drew Gooden? (With the Celtics being hard-capped, they may need to send out another player who makes around the minimum.)
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If Bradley returns healthy, would you be willing to trade Courtney Lee to Milwaukee for Drew Gooden? (With the Celtics being hard-capped, they may need to send out another player who makes around the minimum.)
Bradley would net us more. People can hate me all they want, I love the kid but I'd trade Bradley in a heartbeat if we can get a legitimate star or near star in return. Courtney Lee is good enough defensively, he's no Bradley I get it, but his offense is no Bradley either, he's better.
With that said, I'm not trading Bradley for Gooden. A worse defender, less intense KG, and less athletic, no thanks.
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Bradley is the kind of guy you package with a big expiring contract to bring in a player on a big contract who deserves that big contract.
I don't think you get good value for Bradley in a mid-season trade. If you want to trade him, you wait until the off-season. The exception might be if you want to use Pierce's salary in a trade.
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If Bradley returns healthy, would you be willing to trade Courtney Lee to Milwaukee for Drew Gooden? (With the Celtics being hard-capped, they may need to send out another player who makes around the minimum.)
No interest in Drew Gooden. Brain dead team defender.
Gooden wouldn't upgrade the team.
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Crazy Trade Idea:
Celtics:
Josh Smith
Hawks:
Brandon Bass
Fab Melo
Quincy Miller
Evan Fournier
Celtics 1st pick (2012)
Celtics 1st pick (2014)
Nuggets:
Courtney Lee
Mike Scott
Celtics 2nd Round Pick
Idk. Maybe. I'm not good at making trade scenarios.
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I'd like to keep Bradley as well but you gotta give something up to get something in return. Will Bradley someday be better then lee? Maybe but would having lee/terry/barbosa and gortat be better than lee/terry/barbosa/Bradley and no center? Tempting enough for me I think. Tough call.
I think Bradley is already a better defender than Lee. I would trade Bradley in a deal for Gortat but I wouldn't be happy about it. I know we need a legit center. I also think Gortat looks better than he really is in Phoenix, like so many people do playing in a defenseless west coast offense. I'd rather take a long shot at landing Smith or Cousins or but I'd settle for Gortat if those attempts failed. Maybe 2 first rounders and Lee+Bass gets you Smith. Maybe 3 first rounders and AB+Sullinger gets you Cousins. I'd mortgage the future on a deal for Cousins for sure.
I'm not sure if I said this already. But outside of Paul, KG and Rondo, give the Warriors whoever they want and bring Bogut here.
If I thought he could stay healthy I would jump on that but I really have no faith in him to do so. Over the last 5 seasons Bogut has played in 58% of his games. By comparison Stephan Curry (who has bee labeled as injury prone) has played 79% of his games. I know they took a chance dealing Ellis for Bogut because if he's healthy he's a top 5 center. I wouldn't put any money on that being the case for the rest of his career.