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Title: NFL players vote Tebow most overrated player
Post by: wdleehi on October 25, 2012, 09:49:02 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/25/nfl-players-vote-tim-tebow-most-overrated/


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Tebow, the Jetsí backup quarterback, was named the most overrated player by 34 percent of the players in a survey conducted by Sports Illustrated.
Title: Re: NFL players vote Tebow most overrated player
Post by: Donoghus on October 25, 2012, 10:07:24 AM
Sounds about right.

Bet if you polled NFL fans you'd probably get the same answer too.
Title: Re: NFL players vote Tebow most overrated player
Post by: sofutomygaha on October 25, 2012, 10:24:44 AM

tough to argue with that.

Was Jeremy Lin simultaneously the NBA's most overrated player? When I try to think of the NBA's most overrated players, I think that the first three to come to mind were all playing for the Knicks last year...
Title: Re: NFL players vote Tebow most overrated player
Post by: nickagneta on October 25, 2012, 10:50:21 AM
And the sky is blue and water is wet. Who knew?
Title: Re: NFL players vote Tebow most overrated player
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 25, 2012, 10:55:09 AM
I think Tebow is over-publcized but not necessarily overrated.  I think most people think he is pretty limited as a QB.  For overrated at this point I would probably say Mario Williams
Title: Re: NFL players vote Tebow most overrated player
Post by: Chris on October 25, 2012, 10:56:33 AM
I think Tebow is over-publcized but not necessarily overrated.  I think most people think he is pretty limited as a QB.  For overrated at this point I would probably say Mario Williams

Yeah, I think that is a good way to put it.  If anything, he has become underrated as an actual QB.  But he is still way too overpublicized, compared to his impact on the field.
Title: Re: NFL players vote Tebow most overrated player
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 28, 2012, 05:40:51 PM
Tebow missed a block on the Miami blocked punt today.  Probably didnt help his cause!
Title: Re: NFL players vote Tebow most overrated player
Post by: eja117 on November 25, 2012, 06:25:05 PM
More overrated than Cam Newton?  Was there a poll done of how many NFL players wish they could lead 1-4 teams to wins in the playoffs?
Title: Re: NFL players vote Tebow most overrated player
Post by: nickagneta on November 25, 2012, 09:00:27 PM
More overrated than Cam Newton?  Was there a poll done of how many NFL players wish they could lead 1-4 teams to wins in the playoffs?
He didn't lead them into the playoffs. Their defense did and it is once again showing that they are a formidable bunch and are now one of the better teams in the league because they have a real quarterback on the offensive side.

Newton has throw for more yards in his worst year than Tebow has in his whole career. Newton's career completion % is almost 15 points higher than Tebow's. By any measure other than wins, Newton is a better QB and the only reason Tebow has more wins is because he quarterbacked a team with a very good defense.

Tebow's current coach can't stand the thought of Tebow playing and thinks his team has a better chance to win when playing the worst starting QB in the league. If Tebow can't start in NY and doesn't get traded to Jacksonville to start, he will be out of the league.

He's incredibly over rated as a QB.
Title: Re: NFL players vote Tebow most overrated player
Post by: indeedproceed on November 25, 2012, 09:25:25 PM
Whoa whoa, you leave Cam Newton out of this! He's got enough on his plate!

I need a monster night out of him tomorrow, so Im not gonna be very excited with you guys distracting him right now.
Title: Re: NFL players vote Tebow most overrated player
Post by: eja117 on December 24, 2012, 07:52:31 AM
More overrated than Cam Newton?  Was there a poll done of how many NFL players wish they could lead 1-4 teams to wins in the playoffs?
He didn't lead them into the playoffs. Their defense did and it is once again showing that they are a formidable bunch and are now one of the better teams in the league because they have a real quarterback on the offensive side.

Newton has throw for more yards in his worst year than Tebow has in his whole career. Newton's career completion % is almost 15 points higher than Tebow's. By any measure other than wins, Newton is a better QB and the only reason Tebow has more wins is because he quarterbacked a team with a very good defense.

Tebow's current coach can't stand the thought of Tebow playing and thinks his team has a better chance to win when playing the worst starting QB in the league. If Tebow can't start in NY and doesn't get traded to Jacksonville to start, he will be out of the league.

He's incredibly over rated as a QB.
OK leeeettttt's seeeee.  Defense immediately improves the second Tebow walks onto field.

Peyton takes over a playoff team and leads it to ....the playoffs.   But remember. Peyton had nothing to do with it. It's all the defense. In the mean time RG3 has nothing to do with the Redskins in the playoffs. Defense.

Also the Colts were good with Peyton. Now they're good with Luck. Peyton.  Incredibly over rated QB.  But he has a miracle neck.  If he wins the Super Bowl I'll have to admit he's better than Eli....maybe.
Title: Re: NFL players vote Tebow most overrated player
Post by: action781 on December 24, 2012, 09:14:26 AM
I think Tebow is over-publcized but not necessarily overrated.  I think most people think he is pretty limited as a QB.  For overrated at this point I would probably say Mario Williams

Well said.  As much as is made of Tebow's "intangibles", people still often neglect to consider them.  Champ Bailey said that tebow inspires him to play harder and that he plays harder when tebow is the quarterback.  People on this blog are quick to praise point guards for making their teammates better, but neglect to consider this with Tebow.  I understand its a very different kind of "making your teammates better", but the end result is the only thing that matters.

I want Tebow to go to Jacksonville this offseason.  The fans will love him down there. They are absolutely terrible anyways, so its not like they are risking a lot.  They have a good RB in jones-drew, they have 2 talented young receivers, but they aren't overpaying players at this position that will be under-utilized.  Run an offense similar to what Fox used in Denver and use this upcoming draft (high picks in every round) and offseason signings to build a great offensive line they can run behind and as strong of a defense as possible.  They have had no playoff appearances over the past 5 season and nothing looks particularly bright in their immediate future, so give their fans a quarterback they've already long adored since his days at UF and just see if he can work his magic.
Title: Re: NFL players vote Tebow most overrated player
Post by: Fan from VT on December 24, 2012, 09:19:25 AM
More overrated than Cam Newton?  Was there a poll done of how many NFL players wish they could lead 1-4 teams to wins in the playoffs?
He didn't lead them into the playoffs. Their defense did and it is once again showing that they are a formidable bunch and are now one of the better teams in the league because they have a real quarterback on the offensive side.

Newton has throw for more yards in his worst year than Tebow has in his whole career. Newton's career completion % is almost 15 points higher than Tebow's. By any measure other than wins, Newton is a better QB and the only reason Tebow has more wins is because he quarterbacked a team with a very good defense.

Tebow's current coach can't stand the thought of Tebow playing and thinks his team has a better chance to win when playing the worst starting QB in the league. If Tebow can't start in NY and doesn't get traded to Jacksonville to start, he will be out of the league.

He's incredibly over rated as a QB.
OK leeeettttt's seeeee.  Defense immediately improves the second Tebow walks onto field.

Peyton takes over a playoff team and leads it to ....the playoffs.   But remember. Peyton had nothing to do with it. It's all the defense. In the mean time RG3 has nothing to do with the Redskins in the playoffs. Defense.

Also the Colts were good with Peyton. Now they're good with Luck. Peyton.  Incredibly over rated QB.  But he has a miracle neck.  If he wins the Super Bowl I'll have to admit he's better than Eli....maybe.


Peyton took over a team that had basically the worst record of any playoff team in history and shouldn't have been in the playoffs and turned them into a 2 seed.

Redskins have a good defense but RG3 has been phenomenal.

That's the difference that you seem totally incapable of admitting, and it seems borderline willfully ignorant: Tebow was bad on a decent team that scraped out enough victories by virtue of special teams and defense to make the playoffs as the 23rd best offense in the league (you know, the part tebow can actually control, unlike defense and a bizarre stretch of opposing teams completely screwing up) with a record that shouldn't have made the playoffs except that their competition was san diego, KC, Oakland.  RG3 has been incredible on a similar team but with worse defense (and worse receivers...look at decker/thomas with a qb who can actually throw).

I don't understand a lot of your arguments. Are you serious? It just shows complete lack of nuance and depth, and relies on totally undefined buzzwords. "Peyton takes over a playoff team and leads it to ....the playoffs." Huh? again, no looking beneath the surface. there are grades of playoff teams, and that team shouldn't have been in the playoffs by any other season or any other division. Now it's a 2 seed. With basically 1 change.


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New York Jets backup quarterback Tim Tebow was so frustrated when the starting job was conferred upon Greg McElroy early last week that he told the coaches he didn't want to be used in any Wildcat packages Sunday against the San Diego Chargers, multiple Jets sources told ESPNNewYork.com./quote]

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/8776088/tim-tebow-new-york-jets-asked-left-wildcat-sources-say
Title: Re: NFL players vote Tebow most overrated player
Post by: Fan from VT on December 24, 2012, 09:21:57 AM
I think Tebow is over-publcized but not necessarily overrated.  I think most people think he is pretty limited as a QB.  For overrated at this point I would probably say Mario Williams

Well said.  As much as is made of Tebow's "intangibles", people still often neglect to consider them.  Champ Bailey said that tebow inspires him to play harder and that he plays harder when tebow is the quarterback.  People on this blog are quick to praise point guards for making their teammates better, but neglect to consider this with Tebow.  I understand its a very different kind of "making your teammates better", but the end result is the only thing that matters.

I want Tebow to go to Jacksonville this offseason.  The fans will love him down there. They are absolutely terrible anyways, so its not like they are risking a lot.  They have a good RB in jones-drew, they have 2 talented young receivers, but they aren't overpaying players at this position that will be under-utilized.  Run an offense similar to what Fox used in Denver and use this upcoming draft (high picks in every round) and offseason signings to build a great offensive line they can run behind and as strong of a defense as possible.  They have had no playoff appearances over the past 5 season and nothing looks particularly bright in their immediate future, so give their fans a quarterback they've already long adored since his days at UF and just see if he can work his magic.

There were also some players who were getting pretty sick of the continued credit Tebow was getting for other peoples' contributions. McGahee comes to mind. Bailey's comment smacks of just trying to do good team building, ride the tide...i'd love to hear how he feels about Manning. Something tells me he's a little happier.
Title: Re: NFL players vote Tebow most overrated player
Post by: slamtheking on December 24, 2012, 10:48:42 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/25/nfl-players-vote-tim-tebow-most-overrated/


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Tebow, the Jetsí backup quarterback, was named the most overrated player by 34 percent of the players in a survey conducted by Sports Illustrated.
I'd be surprised if football fans didn't also rate him as the most overrated player
Title: Re: NFL players vote Tebow most overrated player
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 25, 2012, 01:27:03 AM
Well, I'm betting that most of those 34% NFL players are from Pittsburgh...

...2010-11 AFC Playoffs, and all.

LOL!

I'm betting that the saps that voted are probably over-rated, too.
Title: Re: NFL players vote Tebow most overrated player
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on December 25, 2012, 02:11:10 AM
well deserved, attention hungry noodle arm inefficient inaccurate slow molasses windup clown been disliked by me since goin back to his florida days since ima FSU fan
Title: Re: NFL players vote Tebow most overrated player
Post by: Smutzy#9 on December 25, 2012, 04:19:26 AM
Sanchez voted  1234098 times thats why
Title: Re: NFL players vote Tebow most overrated player
Post by: nickagneta on December 25, 2012, 02:40:50 PM
My guess is Tebow isn't even in the league next year
Title: Re: NFL players vote Tebow most overrated player
Post by: action781 on December 27, 2012, 12:11:25 PM
Here's a question that I posed to my roommate today:

Tebow stepped into a team that was 1-4 and just traded away their best skill position player.  He led them to finish 8-8 and to a playoff birth then to an OT win against the Steelers.

Most people claim that it was not Tebow, but Denver's defense to credit for Denver's success.

So, had that defense and the rest of that team been in tact, could any of:  Blaine Gabbert, Chad Henne, Mark Sanchez, Ryan Tannehill, Brandon Weeden, Jake Locker, Nick Foles, Brady Quinn, or any Arizona quarterback have led that 1-4 Broncos team into the playoffs and to a playoff win?

I don't get why teams won't give Tebow a chance as starting QB.  Whether or not you think Tebow could lead a team to a superbowl, none of those quarterbacks are leading a team to a superbowl either.
Title: Re: NFL players vote Tebow most overrated player
Post by: action781 on December 27, 2012, 12:13:50 PM
My guess is Tebow isn't even in the league next year

Even as a 4th quarterback, he will bring more to a team in terms of generating $ from apparel than some 53rd player on the roster.  And tebow could probably play on special teams if he is a 4th string qb.
Title: Re: NFL players vote Tebow most overrated player
Post by: Lord of Mikawa on December 27, 2012, 12:30:41 PM
More overrated than Cam Newton?  Was there a poll done of how many NFL players wish they could lead 1-4 teams to wins in the playoffs?
Cam Newton is way better than Tim Tebow.
Title: Re: NFL players vote Tebow most overrated player
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 27, 2012, 12:45:13 PM
They are probably jealous of Tim's media attention. How can a player who does not even play be overrated?
Title: Re: NFL players vote Tebow most overrated player
Post by: eja117 on December 27, 2012, 12:47:52 PM
More overrated than Cam Newton?  Was there a poll done of how many NFL players wish they could lead 1-4 teams to wins in the playoffs?
Cam Newton is way better than Tim Tebow.
Tebow had more wins in his first year as starter last year than Cam has this year and that's despite not starting till his 6th game. Tebow took a 1-4 team to the playoffs. He took a losing team and led them to wins. Cam takes a losing team and leads them to losses. There is just no comparison. None whatsoever. Tebow can even make a defense play better just by touching the field. Remember last year when the Broncos defense just happened to pick the game that Tebow got extensive playing time to suddenly play really well? Remember those 4th quarter drives? Cam can't get a defense to suddenly start playing well.
Title: Re: NFL players vote Tebow most overrated player
Post by: eja117 on December 27, 2012, 12:53:25 PM
Tebow was ranked 95th best player in the league according to his peers. Now he's supposedly the most overrated. So what the players are saying is "We have absolutely no idea who good players are. Do not take our rankings seriously".

Hey when he made the Steelers look like a bunch of Cam Newtons do you think they sat around after the game and said "Man. He is so overrated?" I think they did.