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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: KG Living Legend on October 18, 2012, 06:42:58 AM
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Lets leave Josh Smith out of this. We now have more chips now than the KG megadeal days. Between..
Jeff Green
Sullinger
Courtney Lee
Avery Bradley
Jason Terry
Brandon Bass
Barbosa
Fab Melo
That's an impressive list of talent excluding are big three. Who could we realistically go after?
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Ed Davis?
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Probably a whole bunch of picks if things don't go as planned.
I'm not expecting a big marquee trade.
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Big Al or Millsap from the Jazz would probably make the most sense. Both will be FA's this summer and they have Favors and Kanter that they need to give playing time to. Big Al would be the better option so that he can bring another element to our team (low post scoring), but his contract is also higher and much more difficult to trade for in terms of matching outgoing salary. Millsap is an upgrade over Bass, so perhaps Bass (who is signed to a multi-year deal for much less than Millsap will command) and picks for him would intrigue the Jazz. They would have a longterm backup for Kanter and Favors, add a couple of draft picks, and let Big Al walk during free agency to potentially become players during the summer.
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Varejao?
I don't really know the Cavs situation off top of my head but id think a back court of Irving Bradley could look good
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Varejao?
I don't really know the Cavs situation off top of my head but id think a back court of Irving Bradley could look good
I don't think they would have interest since they just drafted waiters really high
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Do we have what it takes to get Josh Smith?
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Trade bait is a player worth more than his contract. There wasn't a big competition to sign Barbosa. Most of the vets on that last were recently signed at or near their market price, so unless they make big jumps in performance, they aren't really bait.
The trade bait we have is Sullinger and Bradley. I bet you don't actually want to trade those two, but that's kind of the point.
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Andrew Bogut is who I want. I think we have enough young talent to entice the Warriors to deal Bogut to us. Although the Warriors are not really thin on talent on the other hand (they have a bench mob just like we do). But I still want Bogut next to KG.
I know he's been unhealthy for the past couple of years, but those are not nagging injuries. Higher chance of being healthy than get another season ending one again.
And when healthy, no doubt top 5 center.
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Varejao?
I don't really know the Cavs situation off top of my head but id think a back court of Irving Bradley could look good
I think Varejao is a dream fit for our current group. His manic hustle, tremendous possession creation (one of the best offensive rebounders I've ever watched) and pick and roll defensive excellence would do wonders for this team.
If something like Bass/Bradley wasn't appealing to them, maybe Lee/Melo/future first would be.
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Varejao?
I don't really know the Cavs situation off top of my head but id think a back court of Irving Bradley could look good
I think Varejao is a dream fit for our current group. His manic hustle, tremendous possession creation (one of the best offensive rebounders I've ever watched) and pick and roll defensive excellence would do wonders for this team.
If something like Bass/Bradley wasn't appealing to them, maybe Lee/Melo/future first would be.
What makes most sense for them will be Green. It is the only position they do not have a young potential starter at.
And yes, I would make that trade if it becomes clear that rebounding and interior defense is still a major problem with this team.
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Bradley is better than Varajao with still plenty of upside.
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Varejao?
I don't really know the Cavs situation off top of my head but id think a back court of Irving Bradley could look good
I think Varejao is a dream fit for our current group. His manic hustle, tremendous possession creation (one of the best offensive rebounders I've ever watched) and pick and roll defensive excellence would do wonders for this team.
If something like Bass/Bradley wasn't appealing to them, maybe Lee/Melo/future first would be.
What makes most sense for them will be Green. It is the only position they do not have a young potential starter at.
And yes, I would make that trade if it becomes clear that rebounding and interior defense is still a major problem with this team.
Hmmm... If Pietrus was willing to join midseason, that would be an appealing trade to me. I think Rondo/Bradley/Pierce/Sully/KG with a Terry/Lee/Pietrus/Bass/Varejao bench is a pretty incredible team.
But if you could convince Cleveland that Bass is the pick/pop guy Irving needs, Melo is their defensive 5 of the future (a nice tandem with Zeller, maybe) and Kris Joseph & a future pick are nice assets, and all they need to send over is Anderson Varejao and Jon Leuer (passable 3rd string PF), I'd be more stoked.
Rondo(35)/Terry(25)
Bradley (25)/Lee (25)
Pierce(32)/Green (12)
Sully (24)/Green (16)
KG (28)/Varejao (28)
That is a killer rotation.
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Bradley is better than Varajao with still plenty of upside.
come onnnnnnnnnnn
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I don't think a mid-season trade makes sense unless the team is in trouble or if a player needs to be gotten rid of because he has become a distraction. For players who are on the first year of a multi-year contract, they need to establish whether or not they are worth that deal.
The next off-season is a different story.
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Lets leave Josh Smith out of this. We now have more chips now than the KG megadeal days. Between..
Jeff Green
Sullinger
Courtney Lee
Avery Bradley
Jason Terry
Brandon Bass
Barbosa
Fab Melo
That's an impressive list of talent excluding are big three. Who could we realistically go after?
We could realistically go after developing our talent.
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Lets leave Josh Smith out of this. We now have more chips now than the KG megadeal days. Between..
Jeff Green
Sullinger
Courtney Lee
Avery Bradley
Jason Terry
Brandon Bass
Barbosa
Fab Melo
That's an impressive list of talent excluding are big three. Who could we realistically go after?
We could realistically go after developing our talent.
While I agree that keeping this much depth and talent is tempting (and believe me, I'm more excited about this C's team than any team since '08), in the current NBA depth doesn't win championships. Depth gets you good regular-season records.
Take a look at the Spurs. They dominated the regular season last year, but when it came to the playoffs, they didn't have the firepower to shut down the Thunder (and I bet they would have lost to the Heat too). I think the teams with the best shot at a title have a good amount of superstars with some talent behind them.
That said, we have one superstar (Rondo) and two mini-superstars (KG and Pierce, at the stages of their careers). I think that's why everyone wants someone like Josh Smith: another guy who has the potential to just go off against the opposing team.
Still, Doc's a genius. He could make this current team work.
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next year go after Lamarcus Aldrige or something like that...a big men 4 or 5
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I'm sure we could get at the very least a one-eyed swordfish.
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Lets leave Josh Smith out of this. We now have more chips now than the KG megadeal days. Between..
Jeff Green
Sullinger
Courtney Lee
Avery Bradley
Jason Terry
Brandon Bass
Barbosa
Fab Melo
That's an impressive list of talent excluding are big three. Who could we realistically go after?
We could realistically go after developing our talent.
While I agree that keeping this much depth and talent is tempting (and believe me, I'm more excited about this C's team than any team since '08), in the current NBA depth doesn't win championships. Depth gets you good regular-season records.
Take a look at the Spurs. They dominated the regular season last year, but when it came to the playoffs, they didn't have the firepower to shut down the Thunder (and I bet they would have lost to the Heat too). I think the teams with the best shot at a title have a good amount of superstars with some talent behind them.
That said, we have one superstar (Rondo) and two mini-superstars (KG and Pierce, at the stages of their careers). I think that's why everyone wants someone like Josh Smith: another guy who has the potential to just go off against the opposing team.
Still, Doc's a genius. He could make this current team work.
The difference between the Spurs and us is that they were fully healthy and just fell apart (Though I think game 6 had some very questionable calls against them). We gave the Heat one hell of a series and we had 60-75% of our team. The Spurs lost their mojo to a team that was quite frankly thrashed by the team we pushed to the brink.
The reason why we lost last year was because Lebron had a legendary performance in game 6, and in game 7, we just ran out of gas, and that was because our starters couldn't handle it anymore! Of course Bosh's return helped the Heat, but I think our lack of depth just wore down the vets too much.
BTW, even if we did beat the Heat, I was actually pretty sure we wouldn't have been able to handle OKC.
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I am kind of happy with the haul as it is. Maybe something will jump in the boat, but I am in no hurry. Let's see what we have.
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I'd love to take a shot at Paul Millsap. Utah is pretty stacked in the back court and might welcome a pick-and-pop PF like Bass.
I'd offer Bass, Melo, a 1st and 2nd round pick for Millsap. We get a post presence in Millsap and the Jazz get a great shooter, a young center to develop and a couple of picks. I'd probably go as far as to offer 2 1st rounders but I wouldn't like it :)
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Lets leave Josh Smith out of this. We now have more chips now than the KG megadeal days. Between..
Jeff Green
Sullinger
Courtney Lee
Avery Bradley
Jason Terry
Brandon Bass
Barbosa
Fab Melo
That's an impressive list of talent excluding are big three. Who could we realistically go after?
Lee is out as bait for reasons that it would look bad to young players if you take less money you'll get traded 6 months later.
Same with Terry and being a vet.
Green is out for he's playing right now better than Bass, and is the only true back up SF for PP.
Sully is ify
Melo could be traded
Bass could be to, and he's playing like he knows it(just saying)
AB could be to, hate to loose the deffense, it would depend on what you got back.
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I'd love to take a shot at Paul Millsap. Utah is pretty stacked in the back court and might welcome a pick-and-pop PF like Bass.
I'd offer Bass, Melo, a 1st and 2nd round pick for Millsap. We get a post presence in Millsap and the Jazz get a great shooter, a young center to develop and a couple of picks. I'd probably go as far as to offer 2 1st rounders but I wouldn't like it :)
In the past, I had expected them to move Al Jefferson but now I am thinking Millsap is the better choice to move along. Go with the post-orientated type offense. Instead of keeping Millsap and playing a smaller front-line with more quickness.
Now, I am starting to think that it makes more sense for Utah to trade Millsap and keep Al Jefferson to play with Kanter and Favors.
Go with a power based lineup with Kanter (C) and Big Al (PF) providing low post threats on either block. That would be very difficult to defend against. Favors providing more quickness and defensive ability as a glue guy in the immediate sense but should also provide that low post threat in time. A three player big man rotation.
A fourth big in the depth chart like Ryan Hollins (quickness and length) and/or a Joel Przybilla (power and length) to provide situational minutes at center. That other guy, Evans is it? Blanking on his name. To provide SF/PF defensive option. And a shooting PF.
Oh, Marvin Williams too, power based three with a good post game. Big two guard in Gordon Hayward. They have the starting wings for that type of a game plan also. Need a better PG / floor general. Mo Williams would make a nice backup guard for that type of team.
Yes, I too, believe there's a chance Millsap will become available this season and maybe even at a really good price. Good player, Millsap.
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I am kind of happy with the haul as it is. Maybe something will jump in the boat, but I am in no hurry. Let's see what we have.
I still think the big man rotation is too weak to be satisfied with the current roster. We have one bonafide, championship-starter caliber big in KG and he's minutes limited. Everyone else is back-up quality (Bass, Wilcox, Green as a stretch 4) or a wild card (Sully, Darko). We also have a confluence of mediocre rebounders (compounded by weak-rebounding guards other than Rondo).
If I'm Ainge, I'm actively looking for ways to turn our surplus of quality 6th-8th men (guards and bigs) into a bona fide 4th or 5th man at one of the big positions.
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Absolutely agree the Celtics are not good enough in the front court sans KG. Bass and Sully are good, and Sully has an unknown ceiling, they just aren't good enough to be the 2nd/3rd best bigs.
We must upgrade in this area. There will be opportunities. Hopefully something pans out.
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Lets leave Josh Smith out of this. We now have more chips now than the KG megadeal days. Between..
Jeff Green
Sullinger
Courtney Lee
Avery Bradley
Jason Terry
Brandon Bass
Barbosa
Fab Melo
That's an impressive list of talent excluding are big three. Who could we realistically go after?
We could realistically go after developing our talent.
THANKYOU
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Lets leave Josh Smith out of this. We now have more chips now than the KG megadeal days. Between..
Jeff Green
Sullinger
Courtney Lee
Avery Bradley
Jason Terry
Brandon Bass
Barbosa
Fab Melo
That's an impressive list of talent excluding are big three. Who could we realistically go after?
We could realistically go after developing our talent.
While I agree that keeping this much depth and talent is tempting (and believe me, I'm more excited about this C's team than any team since '08), in the current NBA depth doesn't win championships. Depth gets you good regular-season records.
Take a look at the Spurs. They dominated the regular season last year, but when it came to the playoffs, they didn't have the firepower to shut down the Thunder (and I bet they would have lost to the Heat too). I think the teams with the best shot at a title have a good amount of superstars with some talent behind them.
That said, we have one superstar (Rondo) and two mini-superstars (KG and Pierce, at the stages of their careers). I think that's why everyone wants someone like Josh Smith: another guy who has the potential to just go off against the opposing team.
Still, Doc's a genius. He could make this current team work.
Yeah, Doc could make this team work. Throw some elbow grease in to this group of scrubs and maybe he can get some wins out of them....SMH
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I have a super idea- Why dont we keep our own players and win with them? I think ill go with that.
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Absolutely agree the Celtics are not good enough in the front court sans KG. Bass and Sully are good, and Sully has an unknown ceiling, they just aren't good enough to be the 2nd/3rd best bigs.
We must upgrade in this area. There will be opportunities. Hopefully something pans out.
At this point in his career, the only way i make a huge multi person trade is to get a bonafide big thats better than kg in return. The pickings there would be extremely slim so I say lets stick with what we got first.
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Lets leave Josh Smith out of this. We now have more chips now than the KG megadeal days. Between..
Jeff Green
Sullinger
Courtney Lee
Avery Bradley
Jason Terry
Brandon Bass
Barbosa
Fab Melo
That's an impressive list of talent excluding are big three. Who could we realistically go after?
We could realistically go after developing our talent.
While I agree that keeping this much depth and talent is tempting (and believe me, I'm more excited about this C's team than any team since '08), in the current NBA depth doesn't win championships. Depth gets you good regular-season records.
Take a look at the Spurs. They dominated the regular season last year, but when it came to the playoffs, they didn't have the firepower to shut down the Thunder (and I bet they would have lost to the Heat too). I think the teams with the best shot at a title have a good amount of superstars with some talent behind them.
That said, we have one superstar (Rondo) and two mini-superstars (KG and Pierce, at the stages of their careers). I think that's why everyone wants someone like Josh Smith: another guy who has the potential to just go off against the opposing team.
Still, Doc's a genius. He could make this current team work.
Josh Smith is not a superstar. In any case, you're not even getting a Josh-Smith-type of player for the combination of over-the-hill veterans and future maybes.
Best chance is still to try to develop what we have, and what we have (that is developable) is not _that_ much -- Sullinger, Melo, Bradley. The rest are established veterans at different stages of their careers, which are untradeable and/or are not getting you a star in return.
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as much as I love Josh Smith, I agree. He is not a superstar and he shouldn't get paid any more than Jeff Green if he were to be here...
Smith is not a good scorer. He's a good defender, and good fast break finisher, but he's not a good scorer. He can however be a great role player next to KG, but any team wants to make him the first option scorer will be doomed
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if a deal were on the table with Atlanta, I'd be pushing for Horford over Smith. Talented, cheaper and less inconsistent.
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as much as I love Josh Smith, I agree. He is not a superstar and he shouldn't get paid any more than Jeff Green if he were to be here...
Smith is not a good scorer.
He doesnt have the greatest range as a shooter but, a bad scorer? 18.8 pts on 46% is hardly bad.
And right now hes [dang] well close to being a superstar