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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: drogbagarnett on October 10, 2012, 12:56:26 PM
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I am so happy and excited to see this great team start kicking asses around the league and given my despair at the end of last year, I can't thank Danny enough for reviving us with his amazing summer moves!
That being said, Let's say you are Danny Ainge and can go back in time to early summer and make one and only one change to the roster we currently have, which player or what change would you make knowing what we know after a mere 2 preseason games..??
You can be creative but please stay within reasonable possibilities...
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So here is my take.
I personally don't think the back up point guard situation needs to be changed much... Dooling playing time would have been close to zero anyways in my opionion! Terry and Lee will be playing their minutes! Rondo and bradley as well!! Terry and Bradley can bring up the ball and pass it to Jeff or Pierce or KG to initiate the offense if they dont do it themselves... I wouldn't change anything there...
With Sully, wilcox, bass, darko, collins I dont think we have much issues as far as bigs are concerned... I wouldn't change anything there either...
My only concern is not having a very good defending Small forward... Lee is too small to go against the Lebrons, Melos, Dengs, etc...
My change would have been using the 22nd draft pick to bring in a SF that is NBA ready defensively and can knock down the 3 point shoots enough to be used to spread the floor... And then use that 51st pick to go after a 7 foot defensive center that is not ready and we can develop and bring along...
It's not a knock on Kris Joseph and Fab Melo... I think both are good players that should be able to get an opportunity in this league. But I just think there were better defenders at the SF position still available that could have been more useful for us. I'm thinking of guys like Jeff taylor or Jae Crowder would have been useful for our defensive weakest link: the SF position!
Pierce and Green will be doing fine there! But in every other position we do have a defensive specialist except for SF...
What do you guys think..?
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Re-sign Ray Allen instead of signing Courtney Lee
Smaller changes would be replacing Keyon Dooling + dumping Kris Joseph for a proven veteran wing behind Pierce/Green.
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S&T Judas to try to get something out of his exit. I don't think that the Heat could have done a whole lot with their mini-MLE anyway, considering how people decided to play for the vet min on that team. This might have made it possible to keep E'Twaun, who I really liked.
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Wouldn't have signed Jason Collins. Would have attempted to purchase another 1st round pick, would've targeted Tony Wroten Jr. Or, would've kept Collins, and taken Wroten over Melo.
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I am so happy and excited to see this great team start kicking asses around the league and given my despair at the end of last year, I can't thank Danny enough for reviving us with his amazing summer moves!
That being said, Let's say you are Danny Ainge and can go back in time to early summer and make one and only one change to the roster we currently have, which player or what change would you make knowing what we know after a mere 2 preseason games..??
You can be creative but please stay within reasonable possibilities...
"I can't thank Danny enough for reviving us with his amazing summer moves!"
This sums it up for me. Given the circumstances Danny had last summer he hit a homerun. If we are healthy this team can compete for a title. I think thats all we can really ask for.
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Danny had Flawless Victory as far as I'm concerned.
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If he could have found a way to sign and trade Ray for Terry, while also doing the sign and trade for Lee, it would have been great, because then they wouldn't have the hard cap from using the MLE.
Otherwise, I am very happy with the summer.
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Wouldn't have signed Jason Collins. Would have attempted to purchase another 1st round pick, would've targeted Tony Wroten Jr. Or, would've kept Collins, and taken Wroten over Melo.
Collins and his 6 fouls are a contingency. If Kg/Wilcox/Darko are in foul trouble or worse injured and not available you need Collins. You wont need him against most teams but vs Dwight/Bynum/Hibbert/Chandler he may be invaluable. Thats why Danny signed him.
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Wouldn't have signed Jason Collins. Would have attempted to purchase another 1st round pick, would've targeted Tony Wroten Jr. Or, would've kept Collins, and taken Wroten over Melo.
Collins and his 6 fouls are a contingency. If Kg/Wilcox/Darko are in foul trouble or worse injured and not available you need Collins. You wont need him against most teams but vs Dwight/Bynum/Hibbert/Chandler he may be invaluable. Thats why Danny signed him.
I get it, but I'd rather have Wroten over Melo or Collins, and we could've had him. But I see the logic behind the Collins signing.
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I would not offer Jeff Green 9 million dollars per year, his value is not that high.
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I would not offer Jeff Green 9 million dollars per year, his value is not that high.
I came close to putting something similar to this. But I hate saying things like that, because I honestly don't know what the market really was. I would like to think that Danny could have played hardball and gotten a better deal, but I am not sure. If he was cleared physically, then he really does revert to his value a couple years ago...and I think that is basically what he got paid at.
I also am cautiously optimistic from what I have seen so far that he will be worth more than what he is being paid.
The other thing I would take back though, would be the Melo draft pick. Not sure who I would have taken over him, but I just am not high on him at all.
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With the luxury of hindsight, I would have drafted Perry Jones instead of Fab Melo.
There must be information out there about Chris Anderson that we don't have, so it's hard to say this unreservedly, but based on what I know I'd have prioritized signing him to signing Jason Collins or drafting Fab Melo.
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I came close to putting something similar to this. But I hate saying things like that, because I honestly don't know what the market really was. I would like to think that Danny could have played hardball and gotten a better deal, but I am not sure. If he was cleared physically, then he really does revert to his value a couple years ago...and I think that is basically what he got paid at.
I feel like Danny has been stingy enough in the past (Perk, Tony Allen, etc) that he deserves the benefit of the doubt for this one. If he goes on some mad spending spree of bad contracts and ruins his credibility, that's something else entirely.
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as an adendum, I join the others who have suggested that they would have been just as happy with a 2nd round project big like Robert Sacre, Greg Smith, or Henry Sims as they were with Melo late in the 1st round.
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1. Not drafted Fab Melo
2. signed a legit back up PG
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I came close to putting something similar to this. But I hate saying things like that, because I honestly don't know what the market really was. I would like to think that Danny could have played hardball and gotten a better deal, but I am not sure. If he was cleared physically, then he really does revert to his value a couple years ago...and I think that is basically what he got paid at.
I feel like Danny has been stingy enough in the past (Perk, Tony Allen, etc) that he deserves the benefit of the doubt for this one. If he goes on some mad spending spree of bad contracts and ruins his credibility, that's something else entirely.
Yeah. Ultimately though, it all comes down to how he plays. If Green plays like a $10 million player, then I don't think anyone will complain (or at least they shouldn't).
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2. signed a legit back up PG
Who is a legit backup PG who would be playing over Terry or Bradley?
I understand the point, but at some point, you need to just put the best basketball players on the floor, and let them play.
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I wanted a PG in the draft, and I love Sacre, so count me on board with the Tony Wroten and Robert Sacre instead of Melo-Joseph. I'd at least like to have bought a second-rounder to use on a foreign player with the intention of leaving him in Europe for a year or two. My one criticism of Danny has been his general unwillingness to use Europe as a minor-league system, with the exception of Semih.
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1. reworked the Melo draft pick into 2 lower picks (later 1st and early second) that could have netted 2 good prospects instead of Melo and Joseph. Melo won't be ready for 2 more years and Joseph will be lucky to crack a 12-man roster this year (and that's with liking what this kid showed during the summer).
2. signed another backup PG than Dooling. first because I think there were better options available and second, why resign him only to have him retire and tie up money that could be spent elsewhere.
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1. reworked the Melo draft pick into 2 lower picks (later 1st and early second) that could have netted 2 good prospects instead of Melo and Joseph. Melo won't be ready for 2 more years and Joseph will be lucky to crack a 12-man roster this year (and that's with liking what this kid showed during the summer).
It's now a 13-man active roster. Joseph still won't get much playing time, but he should be active for at least the first part of the season while Avery is recovering (assuming he makes the team.) Then he'll fight with Christmas or Smith for that 13th spot, unless another forward or guard has gotten injured in the intermediary. It wouldn't surprise me if he spent most of the season active in Boston, even if he only gets garbage time minutes.
While I would have liked it if Danny could have traded down, I'm not convinced a deal that people would have liked was available. Trades take someone willing to give you what you want, because there is someone at #22 that they feel is worth giving up additional assets to acquire. That simply may not have been the case (clearly DA has not hesitated to trade down a couple spots in the past, as he demonstrated with the Johnson-Brooks deal.) I'd be surprised if calls weren't made to the next 8-10 teams making picks.
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That he'd come to my birthday party :'(
Otherwise, pretty good. I'm fine with the Melo pick - it's a position of long-term need and the most expensive position in the league. He's worth a shot. Sully was great, we've revamped our bench, gotten younger, more athletic, etc.
The Green deal wasn't ideal but we don't really know the context. We needed a backup 3 and he's the best one we could reasonably get. By the end of the deal, he might well be a fairly inexpensive starting 3.
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If we had known about Dooling, I bet we'd have given Machado a summer league or training camp invite.
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First change: sign Birdman instead of Collins
Second change: draft Perry Jones III over Fab Melo
Third change: sign a legit backup point guard
Fourth change: Sign Ray over Courtney Lee
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2. signed a legit back up PG
Who is a legit backup PG who would be playing over Terry or Bradley?
I understand the point, but at some point, you need to just put the best basketball players on the floor, and let them play.
The one PG in our price range that I would have liked to sign was C.J. Watson.
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First change: sign Birdman instead of Collins
Second change: draft Perry Jones III over Fab Melo
Third change: sign a legit backup point guard
Fourth change: Sign Ray over Courtney Lee
You'd have given Ray the money he was asking for?
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First change: sign Birdman instead of Collins
Second change: draft Perry Jones III over Fab Melo
Third change: sign a legit backup point guard
Fourth change: Sign Ray over Courtney Lee
Why PJ3 over guys like Wroten, Crowder, Taylor, or Dray Green?
After we already got Sullinger, why address it further with another 4?
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First change: sign Birdman instead of Collins
Second change: draft Perry Jones III over Fab Melo
Third change: sign a legit backup point guard
Fourth change: Sign Ray over Courtney Lee
You'd have given Ray the money he was asking for?
Yeah, I get the idea of preferring Ray in a vacuum. But paying him $9 mill a year - and being forced to bid against ourselves to do it - makes it a non-starter for me.
And it's not just about the money - if Danny caves on a request like that you'd better believe other agents would start pressing him for it.
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2. signed a legit back up PG
Who is a legit backup PG who would be playing over Terry or Bradley?
I understand the point, but at some point, you need to just put the best basketball players on the floor, and let them play.
The one PG in our price range that I would have liked to sign was C.J. Watson.
He would have been nice. But I don't think he would see the court if the C's are healthy.
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I probably would have told Green to get any offer from another team, then see if i wanted to match. i just don't think a single team with capspace was going to offer him close to what we did.
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First change: sign Birdman instead of Collins
Second change: draft Perry Jones III over Fab Melo
Third change: sign a legit backup point guard
Fourth change: Sign Ray over Courtney Lee
You'd have given Ray the money he was asking for?
Yeah, I get the idea of preferring Ray in a vacuum. But paying him $9 mill a year - and being forced to bid against ourselves to do it - makes it a non-starter for me.
And it's not just about the money - if Danny caves on a request like that you'd better believe other agents would start pressing him for it.
Not to mention, I think there would have been real chemistry concerns with Bradley and Ray. Money could possibly have convinced Ray to stay...but it wouldn't heal the bruised ego, and he would still not be thrilled to be coming off the bench for a young guy like Bradley.
Yeah, he is going to come off the bench in Miami, but no one in Miami knocked him out of the starting lineup. It is easier for someone who has already bruised your ego to hurt it again.
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First change: sign Birdman instead of Collins
Second change: draft Perry Jones III over Fab Melo
Third change: sign a legit backup point guard
Fourth change: Sign Ray over Courtney Lee
You'd have given Ray the money he was asking for?
I get the sense that if the Celtics had made Ray a #1 priority -- offering him the $6 million but including the no-trade clause initially, wining-and-dining him, letting him know that he was a Celtic for life -- he would have signed here.
There's no way to knowing that, but I think the Celtics were very clear that Ray was a secondary concern for them this summer.
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First change: sign Birdman instead of Collins
Second change: draft Perry Jones III over Fab Melo
Third change: sign a legit backup point guard
Fourth change: Sign Ray over Courtney Lee
You'd have given Ray the money he was asking for?
I get the sense that if the Celtics had made Ray a #1 priority -- offering him the $6 million but including the no-trade clause initially, wining-and-dining him, letting him know that he was a Celtic for life -- he would have signed here.
There's no way to knowing that, but I think the Celtics were very clear that Ray was a secondary concern for them this summer.
Yeah, I think the no-trade clause might have gotten it done. But for me, that would have been a no-go. I don't think Ray is THAT much better, when you also consider that he doesn't really want to play the role he is now best suited for on this team.
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Things people should consider before posting.
1) Ray wanted 9 mil a year so we could only sign him instead of Lee if we lose out on Terry, Bass or Green. We also could not sign and trade Ray to any team other than Miami because Ray would not agree to that. He was an unrestricted free-agent.
2) If you don't sign Jeff Green, we won't be able to replace him with anyone other than a vet min player. We had his bird rights and we were over the cap.
I personally wouldn't change a thing. Fab Melo is literally gold in the NBA. A player of his length, mobility, attitude, footwork and timing is INCREDIBLY RARE. He's an investment for sure but the reward is a legit center in the NBA who can play both ends of the floor. He's already a presence on the defensive end and he has all the tools to excel in the offensive end. His jump shot looks smooth, just needs reps. His passing is exceptional for his size. He has the body to set screens to get shooters open. He's not a stiff and he can finish easy shots created for him at the rim. Considering the much older and not much better DeAndre Jordan is earning 10 mil a year how could anyone take Wroten or PJIII over this guy? What has Perry Jones showed in 2 years against MUCH MUCH less competition? Has there ever been anyone who was mediocre against college opposition for 2 years and became a star in the NBA? Fab was probably the most valuable player for the #2 seeded Syracuse last year.
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Fab Melo is literally gold in the NBA.
(http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/89355/100198349/stock-photo-three-dimensional-render-of-mr-goldman-playing-basketball-100198349.jpg)
Literally?
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Fab Melo is literally gold in the NBA.
(http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/89355/100198349/stock-photo-three-dimensional-render-of-mr-goldman-playing-basketball-100198349.jpg)
Literally?
You got me.
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I think id keep the summer the same. Maybe adjusting Greens contract to 7 a year instead of 9 and not fully guaranteeing year 4.
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First change: sign Birdman instead of Collins
Second change: draft Perry Jones III over Fab Melo
Third change: sign a legit backup point guard
Fourth change: Sign Ray over Courtney Lee
You'd have given Ray the money he was asking for?
Yeah, I get the idea of preferring Ray in a vacuum. But paying him $9 mill a year - and being forced to bid against ourselves to do it - makes it a non-starter for me.
And it's not just about the money - if Danny caves on a request like that you'd better believe other agents would start pressing him for it.
Not to mention, I think there would have been real chemistry concerns with Bradley and Ray. Money could possibly have convinced Ray to stay...but it wouldn't heal the bruised ego, and he would still not be thrilled to be coming off the bench for a young guy like Bradley.
I think that chemistry might be better with Ray not here. Aside from the claims that he seemed to have some kind of issue with a number of people, the "big three" dynamic probably needed to be broken up. They really weren't a big three anymore, but this kind of drove it home.
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I am positive I wouldn't trade JET for RA straight up right now. It will be interesting in about 8 weeks to ask whether we'd trade Courtney Lee straight up for RA. I predict we'll be very happy with Lee.
RA re-signing is the only question mark I have about DA's summmer and I think Danny made the right choice not to bid higher.
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Considering the much older and not much better DeAndre Jordan is earning 10 mil a year how could anyone take Wroten or PJIII over this guy?
Deandre Jordan is only 23 months older than Fab Melo. While I don't dispute the value of 7-foot tall players, I would consider it a success if Melo were as good in two years as Jordan is now.
People think Melo is a lot younger than he is because he was a sophomore last year. He's five months older than Avery Bradley.
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Considering the much older and not much better DeAndre Jordan is earning 10 mil a year how could anyone take Wroten or PJIII over this guy?
Deandre Jordan is only 23 months older than Fab Melo. While I don't dispute the value of 7-foot tall players, I would consider it a success if Melo were as good in two years as Jordan is now.
People think Melo is a lot younger than he is because he was a sophomore last year. He's five months older than Avery Bradley.
He hasn't been playing the game that long, has he? I think he's got a lot more room to improve than most players that are his age.
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No Melo
No Collins
Keep Moore
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Re-signing Keyon Dooling, and that's only because he decided to retire and in the end steal money from us that we could have used on someone else.
Otherwise, I've loved this off-season.
-Sully and Melo are guys who are going to help us now and in the future. I've been very impressed with Sully's play so far, so much so that I'm starting to think he should start over Bass, and I've bought into Fab's potential as the next great defensive presence in the post. He's not there now but he's had some great highlight reel plays so far.
-We addressed our issues of scoring off the bench by adding Terry, who is basically going to do what we wanted from Ray last season. The man has embraced being a Celtic and looks comfortable playing on the team.
-Courtney Lee was the first guy that came to my mind when I heard Ray had left. At first I thought it was hopeless because I figured he would be out of our price range, but DA found a way, and Lee wanted to be here and even took less money. The guy is a lethal 3-point shooter not to mention a defensive pest. I couldn't be happier he's here. Lee will also help our scoring issues when Bradley returns from his injuries.
-I agree with the notion that Jeff Green was overpaid (for now), but it was either him or nothing, and I would rather take a young athletic 3 with upside instead of some veterans minimum player. The guy's looked comfortable out there, not to mention he's looked like a leader. Can't wait to see what he does now that he has a training camp and pre-season under his belt.
-I thought Brandon Bass wasn't coming back after we drafted Sully, and because of the other additions and re-signings he's been the under-the-radar move that no one is talking about. He fit in well last year and he proved he can produce whether he's in the first or second unit. I'm not against the idea of him coming off the bench because i think he'd do great. I'm so glad he's back.
-I was also glad to know Wilcox was returning. He was finding his niche last season shortly before his heart ailment sidelined him. He's a fantastic athlete and he can rebound too. The only downside is that he is injury-prone, but an injury may not be as likely now that we have depth. He could be a great veterans minimum pick up for what he brings.
-Same goes for Darko. I expected him to bring great defense on the interior with his shot blocking and rotations as well as rebounding, but the one aspect that has surprised me the most is his passing. He is actually a fantastic passer for a big man and that could really help the 2nd unit. I hope he buys into the Celtic way.
-For what it's worth, Jason Collins is a proven Dwight Howard stopper by himself. It's not like he's going to get a ton of minutes but he'll come in and bring interior D when we ask him too. That, and the guy looks like he's in the best shape of his life.
I'm sad that Ray has bolted but Lee and Terry bring more to the table at this point so I don't really care as much. Signing Terry implied to me that the Celtics didn't really see Ray re-signing as a huge priority, but that's just me.
As for Birdman, there's a reason why he's still on the market after being amnestied almost three months ago. For those who are clamoring that we should have signed him, there's not something you know that other teams don't. If other teams figured he's worth the trouble, he'd be off the market. Simple as that.
Those are just some of my thoughts. I'm sure some will disagree but I really am satisfied for what the C's have been able to do.
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No Melo
No Collins
Keep Moore
Keep Moore, no Courtney Lee. Simple as that.
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Considering the much older and not much better DeAndre Jordan is earning 10 mil a year how could anyone take Wroten or PJIII over this guy?
Deandre Jordan is only 23 months older than Fab Melo. While I don't dispute the value of 7-foot tall players, I would consider it a success if Melo were as good in two years as Jordan is now.
People think Melo is a lot younger than he is because he was a sophomore last year. He's five months older than Avery Bradley.
He hasn't been playing the game that long, has he? I think he's got a lot more room to improve than most players that are his age.
That's the theory, but it's also true that people learn faster when they're younger, and the lost time will likely mean there are things he will never learn. Add to it English is not his first language, and it's probably unfair to expect him to make a giant leap after one year in pro ball. He certainly may, but people act like the sky is the limit with Fab, when the truth is it's likely much lower.
I do think he has the potential to become a starting NBA center, and that is obviously extremely valuable. But he's going to need most of his rookie contract to get there, and probably shouldn't be kept beyond his rookie extension.
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Considering the much older and not much better DeAndre Jordan is earning 10 mil a year how could anyone take Wroten or PJIII over this guy?
Deandre Jordan is only 23 months older than Fab Melo. While I don't dispute the value of 7-foot tall players, I would consider it a success if Melo were as good in two years as Jordan is now.
People think Melo is a lot younger than he is because he was a sophomore last year. He's five months older than Avery Bradley.
He hasn't been playing the game that long, has he? I think he's got a lot more room to improve than most players that are his age.
That's the theory, but it's also true that people learn faster when they're younger, and the lost time will likely mean there are things he will never learn. Add to it English is not his first language, and it's probably unfair to expect him to make a giant leap after one year in pro ball. He certainly may, but people act like the sky is the limit with Fab, when the truth is it's likely much lower.
I do think he has the potential to become a starting NBA center, and that is obviously extremely valuable. But he's going to need most of his rookie contract to get there, and probably shouldn't be kept beyond his rookie extension.
Is Kendrick Perkins his ceiling, his ground floor, or his basement?
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Marquis or Matt Barnes over Collins
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fab staying on the team this year would be a waste of his future. He will get next to no playing time and learn almost nothing. He needs hands on practice which would mean he goes tot he D-leauge.
With that being said I wish we got either wroten or pj3
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Considering the much older and not much better DeAndre Jordan is earning 10 mil a year how could anyone take Wroten or PJIII over this guy?
Deandre Jordan is only 23 months older than Fab Melo. While I don't dispute the value of 7-foot tall players, I would consider it a success if Melo were as good in two years as Jordan is now.
People think Melo is a lot younger than he is because he was a sophomore last year. He's five months older than Avery Bradley.
He hasn't been playing the game that long, has he? I think he's got a lot more room to improve than most players that are his age.
That's the theory, but it's also true that people learn faster when they're younger, and the lost time will likely mean there are things he will never learn. Add to it English is not his first language, and it's probably unfair to expect him to make a giant leap after one year in pro ball. He certainly may, but people act like the sky is the limit with Fab, when the truth is it's likely much lower.
I do think he has the potential to become a starting NBA center, and that is obviously extremely valuable. But he's going to need most of his rookie contract to get there, and probably shouldn't be kept beyond his rookie extension.
Is Kendrick Perkins is his ceiling, his ground floor, or his basement?
That would depend on if you think Perkins is at his ceiling, still has growth of his own, or reached it a couple years ago. To be honest, I haven't followed Perk since he was shipped out, so I don't know if he's gotten any better after the injury or not. But I don't think Fab will ever be much of a shooter or post player, in terms of backing a guy down and shooting over him. His offense will largely consist of alleyoops and putbacks. He's probably a little more mobile than Perk, and a better jumper, so if he learns better technique, he'll probably have a little more defensive range. Will he ever be as tough as Perk? Not sure -- Perk had intimidation in spades. But sure, he could be Perk, or Perk-like.
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Considering the much older and not much better DeAndre Jordan is earning 10 mil a year how could anyone take Wroten or PJIII over this guy?
Deandre Jordan is only 23 months older than Fab Melo. While I don't dispute the value of 7-foot tall players, I would consider it a success if Melo were as good in two years as Jordan is now.
People think Melo is a lot younger than he is because he was a sophomore last year. He's five months older than Avery Bradley.
He hasn't been playing the game that long, has he? I think he's got a lot more room to improve than most players that are his age.
That's the theory, but it's also true that people learn faster when they're younger, and the lost time will likely mean there are things he will never learn. Add to it English is not his first language, and it's probably unfair to expect him to make a giant leap after one year in pro ball. He certainly may, but people act like the sky is the limit with Fab, when the truth is it's likely much lower.
I do think he has the potential to become a starting NBA center, and that is obviously extremely valuable. But he's going to need most of his rookie contract to get there, and probably shouldn't be kept beyond his rookie extension.
The sky probably isn't the limit, but it's still likely he'll improve somewhat more than other players his age with much more experience. I also think that the Celts will be able to deal with any language barriers. I'd say it's a little premature to make any predictions about whether he'll be kept beyond his rookie contract as well.
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Wow- I didn't realize there were so many people down on Courtney Lee. I'm crazy excited about Courtney Lee and I'd put that signing right up there next to the Jason Terry signing on my list of reasons Ainge deserves a medal.
But this Melo stuff, I don't know. Every year around the draft we get reminded how rare it is to find a skilled, athletic seven-footer... and every year this is somehow misconstrued as a reason to value unskilled, kind-of-athletic seven-footers.
Projects like Melo are certainly worth something, but in this draft there were Miles Plumlee, Festus Ezuli, and Robert Sacre, for example, sitting in the same pool with similar skill-sets and size. The D-league and NBA free agency are also well-stocked with guys like Ryan Hollins, Jeff Foote, Jerome Jordan. I'm not convinced that Melo was obviously the best project there when there were some really solid players available in what was essentially a double-dip draft.
I don't think Fab Melo is gold. I think he's another in a big bag of lottery tickets.
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When talking about Fab's ceiling consider these things.
Size = True 7ft, long wingspan, big hands, frame to support lot of muscles. 10/10
Athleticism = good elevation and quickness, excellent footwork and timing. 9/10
IQ = Difficult to evaluate, just learning the game. Good vision, good defensive instincts, plays within his limits. 6?/10
Motor/Attitude = Good energy, very coachable, liked by his teammates, can take a joke. 10/10
Skills = Excellent shot blocker, takes charges well, good passer, average rebounder, good shooting mechanics but needs more reps. 5?/10
His IQ will determine how far he will go. His skills will improve. He will continue to develop his fundamentals. But how much of the Xs and Os he can master will be his only limit.
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I'm a big Fab fan, but I've heard he is closer to a 3 or 4 when it comes to bbiq. Just not very good at remembering plays at Syracuse. Like head shakingly bad.
I agree that iq can (and will) limit him, but he has great instincts and passing vision, and those are all factors when assessing bbiq.
Fab has enough talent and physical ability to still be a stand out center, even if he never becomes good at memorizing the playbook. Fab is good enough that Doc will let him play through some mental mistakes.
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No Melo
No Collins
Keep Moore
Keep Moore, no Courtney Lee. Simple as that.
Yikes. Im not a huge courtney lee fan but even this sounds terrible.
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I'm a big Fab fan, but I've heard he is closer to a 3 or 4 when it comes to bbiq. Just not very good at remembering plays at Syracuse. Like head shakingly bad.
I agree that iq can (and will) limit him, but he has great instincts and passing vision, and those are all factors when assessing bbiq.
Fab has enough talent and physical ability to still be a stand out center, even if he never becomes good at memorizing the playbook. Fab is good enough that Doc will let him play through some mental mistakes.
Fab can block shots...great! Every center we get can do that in case you haven't seen. His IQ is just terrible and not terrible JaVale Mcgee style. Like terrible like "Evan make basket". He is just not ready for the NBA yet. He just don't understand baskball enough to even step foot on the court. He needs the D-leauge BAD. He needs to learn (not develop) how to score on D period.
There is basic B-Ball stuff that he just clearly does not know.To be honest I bet he don't even know all of the NBA rules. I'm not saying he is dumb, just that he hasn't played enough to understand everything.
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Should we all agree that Collins was definitely a mistake? But even then I think he'd be useful. He's made a living being an enforcer. His 6 hard fouls will come in handy. Would like a PG but not complaining.
Only other mistake might be that he did not buy a 2nd rounder. But getting Christmas was awesome.
On the other hand, surprised at the so many knocks against Fab Melo. I'd say I was not a fan of him but I'm liking the choice more and more.
PJIII was who I wanted at first too but after finding out how injured he is, I'm not so sure. Matter of fact I think he's injured as I type.
Moultrie was another one I was very interested in but apparently he's a huge headcase.
Tony Wroten maybe? He's not a finished product, though.
And I definitely see the point people were making. Every draftee at that point had a significant flaw. Fab Melo is very, very raw but with KG mentoring him I'm awfully excited.
I also see that Danny's really scouted well. Questions on Melo's attitude, motor and other intangibles were put to rest when I saw him on the floor.
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Birdman is - as far as I know - still under investigation for child ****ography, and until that issue is gone, no NBA team will touch him.
Melo was always a project, and considering the depth of this team, I can't see a problem with that. His BBIQ is his biggest obstacle, and I hope that he becomes a student of the game with KG as his teacher/mentor. All the other stuff will be affected by his willingness and ability to learn.
If I were Danny, I would have called Ray before I talked to KG, and get everything cleared up. I'm pretty sure, that Ray wouldn't have stayed, if KG retired, anyway.
I would prefer Ray over Lee, but chemistry might still be an issue. So maybe it's all for the best.
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With the luxury of hindsight, I would have drafted Perry Jones instead of Fab Melo.
There must be information out there about Chris Anderson that we don't have, so it's hard to say this unreservedly, but based on what I know I'd have prioritized signing him to signing Jason Collins or drafting Fab Melo.
TP
That's the one. That's the one thing I would've done different. PJ3 would've been sick here. If I was running the team I probably wouldn't have brought Bass back but not the worst thing.
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No Melo
No Collins
Keep Moore
Keep Moore, no Courtney Lee. Simple as that.
Yikes. Im not a huge courtney lee fan but even this sounds terrible.
lol
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As an aside- in order to fulfill his potential two more years in college would have been better for Fab Melo than D-league or benchwarming. Agree?
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As an aside- in order to fulfill his potential two more years in college would have been better for Fab Melo than D-league or benchwarming. Agree?
No, for several reasons:
- Syracuse are not about developing players, they are about winning. That means that Melo would be stuck in the middle of a zone defense, that doesn't translate well to the NBA.
As far as fundamentals and individual offensive skills, I'm not sure there is a big difference, it depends on his learning curve. Celtics should be better at big man coaching, though.
If he plays for Maine in the D-League he will be schooled in the Celtics system, and he will be able to practice with the Celtics, when they are in Waltham.
And then there is the academic issue. There could be several unknown reasons, why he fell behind, but the buttom line is, that it might happen again, and he would lose his eligibility again. No such risk in the NBA or D-League.
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And then there is the academic issue. There could be several unknown reasons, why he fell behind, but the buttom line is, that it might happen again, and he would lose his eligibility again. No such risk in the NBA or D-League.
Yeah, I think he didn't have a choice. I have no idea what the particulars were, but I don't think it would have been smart to return to school and risk not being able to play because of academics.
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And then there is the academic issue. There could be several unknown reasons, why he fell behind, but the buttom line is, that it might happen again, and he would lose his eligibility again. No such risk in the NBA or D-League.
Yeah, I think he didn't have a choice. I have no idea what the particulars were, but I don't think it would have been smart to return to school and risk not being able to play because of academics.
Plus he's a big man who had a first round grade, in most situations its best to come out once you can at that point.
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And then there is the academic issue. There could be several unknown reasons, why he fell behind, but the buttom line is, that it might happen again, and he would lose his eligibility again. No such risk in the NBA or D-League.
Yeah, I think he didn't have a choice. I have no idea what the particulars were, but I don't think it would have been smart to return to school and risk not being able to play because of academics.
Plus he's a big man who had a first round grade, in most situations its best to come out once you can at that point.
Yeah. Considering the chances of him developing substantially enough over the next year or two to go significantly higher in the draft were pretty slim (and he was getting close to the point where he would be considered an "old" rookie), it really was all downside for him to stay in school.
Now, he can learn the NBA game, and try to develop with NBA coaches, without all of the practice rules you have in the NCAA, and the bother of having to go to class.
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Celticsblog is beautiful.
in hindsight, I'll swap Collins for Pietrus if it worked money-wise... but nothing else. By the time they signed Collis he was backup Center insurance. Right now we have Darko and he seems to be a better option, but Collins is still nice insurance against Bynum et al.
I wanted Perry Jones before the draft, but in Danny we trust. Melo looks better than advertised, while still a project.
I wanted Ray but if he doesn't care about the Celtics, it's a wash between him and Courtney Lee.
Kris Joseph can be a nice project or he can be waived, no big deal in either case. I doubt the Celtics find a valuable player off the waiver wire this season, but him and Collins spots will be in jeopardy if that's the case.
Danny did an almost perfect job. #18 is on its way.
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Seeing Pietrus thrown out there, I really don't think him not coming back was the C's choice. I just think he has been looking for a better opportunity to either be paid, or play.
...although, if he sits there much longer, if the C's have any injuries (or Bradley has any setbacks), I could see him back in Green.
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I think it would've been worth throwing 8 million or so at Ray so that way Miami doesn't get him. Other than that, I'm not sure what else he could've done (as far as guys like Camby, Birdman, Barnes).
Rondo/Ray/Paul/Bass/KG
Terry/Bradley/Green/Sullinger/Wilcox or Darko
Moore/Joseph/JJJ/Melo
That's under the thresh-hold, depending on Johnson's salary, but he could be easily traded for a pick or we could go into the season with only 13 guys.
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i know you said one change but this is what I would have done.
Rondo/Xmas
AB/Brandon Roy
PP/Green/Kris Jo
Birdman/Sully/PJ3
KG/Darko
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And then there is the academic issue. There could be several unknown reasons, why he fell behind, but the buttom line is, that it might happen again, and he would lose his eligibility again. No such risk in the NBA or D-League.
Yeah, I think he didn't have a choice. I have no idea what the particulars were, but I don't think it would have been smart to return to school and risk not being able to play because of academics.
Plus he's a big man who had a first round grade, in most situations its best to come out once you can at that point.
Yeah. Considering the chances of him developing substantially enough over the next year or two to go significantly higher in the draft were pretty slim (and he was getting close to the point where he would be considered an "old" rookie), it really was all downside for him to stay in school.
Now, he can learn the NBA game, and try to develop with NBA coaches, without all of the practice rules you have in the NCAA, and the bother of having to go to class.
I agree with you guys 110% that it was in his financial/career best interest to go pro. My philosophy is that if you have a first round grade (in any sport), you are taking an unwise risk returning to school to try to improve it or to quixotically go after an NCAA championship.
But for his game- my impression of the D-league is that people play selfishly there to try to get noticed. As far as the Syracuse player development and defensive scheming, I know very little. My point was that if Melo needs to spend time on his basketball fundamentals, he would be best served doing that in an environment with (1) level-appropriate competition and (2) a fundamental-building emphasis. My impression is that, for him, the D-league will fail him in the latter regard and the NBA will fail him in the former regard.
If you're charitable, you might think of this as Hasheem Thabeet's curse as well.
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And then there is the academic issue. There could be several unknown reasons, why he fell behind, but the buttom line is, that it might happen again, and he would lose his eligibility again. No such risk in the NBA or D-League.
Yeah, I think he didn't have a choice. I have no idea what the particulars were, but I don't think it would have been smart to return to school and risk not being able to play because of academics.
Plus he's a big man who had a first round grade, in most situations its best to come out once you can at that point.
Yeah. Considering the chances of him developing substantially enough over the next year or two to go significantly higher in the draft were pretty slim (and he was getting close to the point where he would be considered an "old" rookie), it really was all downside for him to stay in school.
Now, he can learn the NBA game, and try to develop with NBA coaches, without all of the practice rules you have in the NCAA, and the bother of having to go to class.
I agree with you guys 110% that it was in his financial/career best interest to go pro. My philosophy is that if you have a first round grade (in any sport), you are taking an unwise risk returning to school to try to improve it or to quixotically go after an NCAA championship.
But for his game- my impression of the D-league is that people play selfishly there to try to get noticed. As far as the Syracuse player development and defensive scheming, I know very little. My point was that if Melo needs to spend time on his basketball fundamentals, he would be best served doing that in an environment with (1) level-appropriate competition and (2) a fundamental-building emphasis. My impression is that, for him, the D-league will fail him in the latter regard and the NBA will fail him in the former regard.
If you're charitable, you might think of this as Hasheem Thabeet's curse as well.
Well, he may be playing in games in the D-League (which I think is still better development than college, for the simple fact that it is NBA rules), but I think he will still be practicing with the C's more often than not.
With the new rule that allows them to send him down an unlimited number of times, he will likely be with the C's whenever they are Boston, and then shuttling up to Portland to play games. So, he will be working with Boston's coaches, trainers, and players, to help his development.
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Since the Celtics are running Maine Red Claws, they will probably not look too kindly on selfish players. And the new head coach Mike Taylor is supposed to be very good at developing young players (http://www.nba.com/dleague/maine/Taylor_091212.html):
“Mike impressed us with not only his coaching experience, but his enthusiasm and ability to develop young players,” said Boston Celtics Director of Player Personnel Austin Ainge. “He brings a blend of international and NBA D-League experience that will benefit the Celtics’ players assigned to Maine and the entire Red Claws’ roster.”
And then there is the academic issue. There could be several unknown reasons, why he fell behind, but the buttom line is, that it might happen again, and he would lose his eligibility again. No such risk in the NBA or D-League.
Yeah, I think he didn't have a choice. I have no idea what the particulars were, but I don't think it would have been smart to return to school and risk not being able to play because of academics.
Plus he's a big man who had a first round grade, in most situations its best to come out once you can at that point.
Yeah. Considering the chances of him developing substantially enough over the next year or two to go significantly higher in the draft were pretty slim (and he was getting close to the point where he would be considered an "old" rookie), it really was all downside for him to stay in school.
Now, he can learn the NBA game, and try to develop with NBA coaches, without all of the practice rules you have in the NCAA, and the bother of having to go to class.
I agree with you guys 110% that it was in his financial/career best interest to go pro. My philosophy is that if you have a first round grade (in any sport), you are taking an unwise risk returning to school to try to improve it or to quixotically go after an NCAA championship.
But for his game- my impression of the D-league is that people play selfishly there to try to get noticed. As far as the Syracuse player development and defensive scheming, I know very little. My point was that if Melo needs to spend time on his basketball fundamentals, he would be best served doing that in an environment with (1) level-appropriate competition and (2) a fundamental-building emphasis. My impression is that, for him, the D-league will fail him in the latter regard and the NBA will fail him in the former regard.
If you're charitable, you might think of this as Hasheem Thabeet's curse as well.
Well, he may be playing in games in the D-League (which I think is still better development than college, for the simple fact that it is NBA rules), but I think he will still be practicing with the C's more often than not.
With the new rule that allows them to send him down an unlimited number of times, he will likely be with the C's whenever they are Boston, and then shuttling up to Portland to play games. So, he will be working with Boston's coaches, trainers, and players, to help his development.
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I'd have resigned Marquis before he went elsewhere.
Right now he could have been the guy giving us some backup minutes at the PG spot and would have made decent end-of-bench insurance for positions 1 through 3.
I would rather have him then any of the young rookies we'e played in the preseason so far, and he'd give us insurance at the SF spot behind Pierce and Green as well.
We resigned Dooling instead which I was pretty happy with, but once he retired unexpectedly it left me immediately thinking that I wish we had Quis...
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I would not offer Jeff Green 9 million dollars per year, his value is not that high.
And what if JG walked away to another team?
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I would not offer Jeff Green 9 million dollars per year, his value is not that high.
And what if JG walked away to another team?
On the flip side, JG was really enthusiastic about being a Celtic.
Regardless apparently it doesn't matter how much because we're over the cap.
Some have pointed out JG and Bass's contracts are set up for Josh Smith.
Let the endless speculation on what we might probably never know begin.
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If I'm Danny and will have the premonition about Darko signing, I probably would not draft Fab.
Don't get me wrong, I like that pick. But I I know that eventually Darko will sign, I probably took someone else. Maybe PJ III.
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I'd have resigned Marquis before he went elsewhere.
Right now he could have been the guy giving us some backup minutes at the PG spot and would have made decent end-of-bench insurance for positions 1 through 3.
I would rather have him then any of the young rookies we'e played in the preseason so far, and he'd give us insurance at the SF spot behind Pierce and Green as well.
We resigned Dooling instead which I was pretty happy with, but once he retired unexpectedly it left me immediately thinking that I wish we had Quis...
true and marquis plays good defense AND doesn't need to play for stretches but would still give it his all
that said joseph draft could have worked against marquis at sf and sg we are stacked
don't remember if md signed at vet min? glad he is still playing at the least
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I'd have resigned Marquis before he went elsewhere.
Right now he could have been the guy giving us some backup minutes at the PG spot and would have made decent end-of-bench insurance for positions 1 through 3.
I would rather have him then any of the young rookies we'e played in the preseason so far, and he'd give us insurance at the SF spot behind Pierce and Green as well.
We resigned Dooling instead which I was pretty happy with, but once he retired unexpectedly it left me immediately thinking that I wish we had Quis...
true and marquis plays good defense AND doesn't need to play for stretches but would still give it his all
that said joseph draft could have worked against marquis at sf and sg we are stacked
don't remember if md signed at vet min? glad he is still playing at the least
Have to agree and give the not-having-Quisy situation as the biggest bummer of the offseason. He's a good guy to have.
And with Bradley out to start the season and Dooling retiring, he would probably have had some minutes and could give Lee competition for minutes as well.
But mostly I like the guy. Probably for the same reason Doc seemed to: his versatility.
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I would have had Danny release a bogus injury report on Nicholson so he could have fell to us in the draft. Have a feeling he's gonna be good.
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FYI to all you Moore fans (lol) this dude was 2-13 from the field and 1-4 from 3pt...With 4 Turnovers Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.!
he sorry glad he gone
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I'd have resigned Marquis before he went elsewhere.
I see that he had a decent first pre-season game with the Cavs or whoever, but I can't fault Ainge for not resigning him. Even when he was healthy with Boston, Quisey's production wasn't anything special and he became worse than Ben Wallace on offense last season. Dude was painful to watch.
Mike
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Much as I loved Quisy , we are better off with Courtney Lee . WHo can do the same things and is younger and healthier .and can handle the ball and rebound as good or better.
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I would have signed T-Mac for the minimum. He was fine riding pine last season for Atlanta and he'd do the same here. I like what I've seen from Joseph but he's not NBA ready and one injury at the SF position and we're crippled. None of our PFs can play SFm they aren't quick enough. None of our SGs can effectively play SF, they aren't tall enough. No not even Courtney Lee.
Since T-Mac is in China I'd probably try to get Ryan Gomes to come here for peanuts. If not Gomes then maybe Josh Howard would come here to chase his Championship. Someone who is 6'7" and has a reasonable record playing in the NBA just so we don't end up in a "Ryan Hollins" type situation. Ever. Again.
I'd talk about the PG situation but really there aren't any good options there in free-agency. We'd have to trade for someone and if it were up to me I'd make a play at getting Scott Machado from the Rockets. Maybe a 2nd rounder? I wouldn't go crazy though.
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I'm thinking the surprise might come from Micah Downs...
If he can play strong defense, I think he could make the team!
I want to see him play more in the coming games...
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I'm thinking the surprise might come from Micah Downs...
If he can play strong defense, I think he could make the team!
I want to see him play more in the coming games...
I guess anything is possible . . . except maybe for Micah Downs' chances of making the Boston Celtics. That's right up there with flying pigs.
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I think it would've been worth throwing 8 million or so at Ray so that way Miami doesn't get him. Other than that, I'm not sure what else he could've done (as far as guys like Camby, Birdman, Barnes).
Rondo/Ray/Paul/Bass/KG
Terry/Bradley/Green/Sullinger/Wilcox or Darko
Moore/Joseph/JJJ/Melo
That's under the thresh-hold, depending on Johnson's salary, but he could be easily traded for a pick or we could go into the season with only 13 guys.
Ray had his mind made up midseason that he wanted to go there, I didn't believe the chatter from multiple sources then but turns out it was all true. It still disgusts me.
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Jason Collins... way too soon of a pick-up
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Not signing Collins and signing someone else like t-mac or arenas
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arenas
:'(
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I'd have resigned Marquis before he went elsewhere.
I see that he had a decent first pre-season game with the Cavs or whoever, but I can't fault Ainge for not resigning him. Even when he was healthy with Boston, Quisey's production wasn't anything special and he became worse than Ben Wallace on offense last season. Dude was painful to watch.
I didn't even see Marquis' preseaon game, but I'm going not off the numbers he gave us, but the TALENT he gave us.
Here's a list Marquis' talents we have utilised over the years:
1. Good ball handler who rarely has unforced turnovers
2. Solid passer and good decision maker
3. Good at controlling the pace of the game
5. Cool under pressure, not easilly rattled
6. Solid offensive and defensive rebounder for a guard
7. High IQ on both ends of the floor
8. Good post-up game for a guard
9. Capable of attacking and scoring off the dribble
10. Solid midrange jumper
11. Can comfortably defend PG, SG and SF positions
12. Knows (and is a perfect fit in) the Celtics system
13. Great hustle / energy guy
14. Great locker room presence
On top of all that he is a true professional - he's loyal and he'll hapilly sit on the end of the bench without complaining, yet when he's name is called he's always ready to play.
After Rondo, Quis' was the closest thing we had to a 'true PG' when he was on the court because he geniunely controlled the pace of the game and he made the right play.
Right now we are missing Marquis because we don't have a proper backup PG who can do those things. If Green or Pierce goes down we will miss Marquis because we won't have a legit backup SF. If Lee or Terry goes down before Bradley comes back we will miss Marquis because we won't have a legit backup SG.
Consider all of the above, and then consider the fact that he would have cost us nothing more than a vet min contact and a seat on the bench. For the type of insurance he offers at three positions, that is a bargain.
He is a "Swiss army knife" type of player who fills so many roles at cost of practiclaly nothing - I was rooting for us to resign him all along, and I guarantee you that at some point this year he is going to be deeply missed.
You name me ANYONE outside of out top 11 players who can offer all of the above for a vet min deal?
Jamar Smith is a shot jacker, Christmas doesn't look NBA ready, Joseph doesn't seem to do much at all and all the other young guys have been utterly useless.
Hell if I'm Doc right now I'd be asking Ainge to work out a deal that sends Christmas and Joseph out return for Quis!
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Much as I loved Quisy , we are better off with Courtney Lee . WHo can do the same things and is younger and healthier .and can handle the ball and rebound as good or better.
Quis is a veteran minimum guy and we never would have had to choose between him and Lee. If we signed Quis we would been in addition to Lee.
The guys we have basically signed instead of Lee right now are Joseph, Jamar Smith and the other rookies who will be lucky to make the team...let alone actually play.
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I'm thinking the surprise might come from Micah Downs...
If he can play strong defense, I think he could make the team!
I want to see him play more in the coming games...
I guess anything is possible . . . except maybe for Micah Downs' chances of making the Boston Celtics. That's right up there with flying pigs.
After this game, I can say we are getting closer at getting our first look at flying pigs my friend!!
Micah Downs played extremely well and with a little bit of luck could have been the difference maker down the stretch! Good rebounder, knock down shooter and can defend the 2, 3 and 4 positions depending on match ups..!
I would personally pick Micah Downs instead of Kris Joseph as our 3rd string back up SF...
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Not going back to read the entire thread but the the change I would make is not signing Bass. I understand we would not have been able to repurpose his money on anyone else, but with sully and green on the roster, I see bass and nothing more than a bit player. I fear there will be chemistry problems down the road with him on the roster.
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It's been mentioned before, but I would have most definitely drafted Perry Jones over Fab Melo. I understand the logic that in a few years, Fab could be a valuable piece if he develops nicely. And if that is the case, he could be a very valuable trade chip. But that is so far away from happening, and I just think that Jones would have been able to play immediately and contribute to this team.
All in all it was a great offseason for the Celtics, but that would be my only change. I would have also liked to see a decent backup PG to Rondo, but I don't think that is a very big issue right now.
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I'm thinking the surprise might come from Micah Downs...
If he can play strong defense, I think he could make the team!
I want to see him play more in the coming games...
I guess anything is possible . . . except maybe for Micah Downs' chances of making the Boston Celtics. That's right up there with flying pigs.
After this game, I can say we are getting closer at getting our first look at flying pigs my friend!!
Micah Downs played extremely well and with a little bit of luck could have been the difference maker down the stretch! Good rebounder, knock down shooter and can defend the 2, 3 and 4 positions depending on match ups..!
I would personally pick Micah Downs instead of Kris Joseph as our 3rd string back up SF...
I too was impressed with Micah Downs' play last night. If it comes down to Micah Downs or Kris Joseph, though, I feel pretty certain that Danny will stick with the guy he drafted.
Downs is certainly helping himself out with his play, and possibly giving himself a chance to get picked up by another team somewhere.
The pigs aren't flying just yet.
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I'm thinking the surprise might come from Micah Downs...
If he can play strong defense, I think he could make the team!
I want to see him play more in the coming games...
I guess anything is possible . . . except maybe for Micah Downs' chances of making the Boston Celtics. That's right up there with flying pigs.
After this game, I can say we are getting closer at getting our first look at flying pigs my friend!!
Micah Downs played extremely well and with a little bit of luck could have been the difference maker down the stretch! Good rebounder, knock down shooter and can defend the 2, 3 and 4 positions depending on match ups..!
I would personally pick Micah Downs instead of Kris Joseph as our 3rd string back up SF...
I too was impressed with Micah Downs' play last night. If it comes down to Micah Downs or Kris Joseph, though, I feel pretty certain that Danny will stick with the guy he drafted.
Downs is certainly helping himself out with his play, and possibly giving himself a chance to get picked up by another team somewhere.
The pigs aren't flying just yet.
Yeah, I've benn surprised by his athleticism. I guess I'm stereotyping. Anyway, downs intrigues me.
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Not going back to read the entire thread but the the change I would make is not signing Bass. I understand we would not have been able to repurpose his money on anyone else, but with sully and green on the roster, I see bass and nothing more than a bit player. I fear there will be chemistry problems down the road with him on the roster.
I'd agree with this , if Sully was an absolute shoe in as starter. With bass wanting to return, and already comfortable with his teammates , would have been risky if Sully doesn't work out .
I'f trade Bass for Josh Smith in a heartbeat.
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Not going back to read the entire thread but the the change I would make is not signing Bass. I understand we would not have been able to repurpose his money on anyone else, but with sully and green on the roster, I see bass and nothing more than a bit player. I fear there will be chemistry problems down the road with him on the roster.
I'd agree with this , if Sully was an absolute shoe in as starter. With bass wanting to return, and already comfortable with his teammates , would have been risky if Sully doesn't work out .
I'f trade Bass for Josh Smith in a heartbeat.
Me too!! Would trade Bass plus future first rounder plus complementary piece for Josh Smith in a heartbeat!
We need a KG level defender on weak side help and pick n roll when KG is out! Our +/- without KG are ridiculous! Doc system needs a KG type defender and JSmoove is the best option here!
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summer?
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edit... modify that..... 3 summers?
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I am so happy and excited to see this great team start kicking asses around the league and given my despair at the end of last year, I can't thank Danny enough for reviving us with his amazing summer moves!
That being said, Let's say you are Danny Ainge and can go back in time to early summer and make one and only one change to the roster we currently have, which player or what change would you make knowing what we know after a mere 2 preseason games..??
You can be creative but please stay within reasonable possibilities...
Given your name...perhaps luring Didier Drogba away from China....Cat can score :P