I'd personally be fine with having Plaxico as the fourth or fifth option for Brady ... we'll see.
I'd personally be fine with having Plaxico as the fourth or fifth option for Brady ... we'll see.
I would agree with you if it werent for the baggage, course without the baggage he probably wount be available.
I dunno, I just don't want to invite trouble into the lockeroom. Though when you think about it, him and gronk together would be very tough to cover around the goal line
Thing is, most of the baggage is at Goodwill now, and if anything did come up, then the impact of losing him would be nil ... like Greenberg said, typical Belichick move, lots of upside, no downside.I'd personally be fine with having Plaxico as the fourth or fifth option for Brady ... we'll see.
I would agree with you if it werent for the baggage, course without the baggage he probably wount be available.
I dunno, I just don't want to invite trouble into the lockeroom. Though when you think about it, him and gronk together would be very tough to cover around the goal line
Thing is, most of the baggage is at Goodwill now, and if anything did come up, then the impact of losing him would be nil ... like Greenberg said, typical Belichick move, lots of upside, no downside.I'd personally be fine with having Plaxico as the fourth or fifth option for Brady ... we'll see.
I would agree with you if it werent for the baggage, course without the baggage he probably wount be available.
I dunno, I just don't want to invite trouble into the lockeroom. Though when you think about it, him and gronk together would be very tough to cover around the goal line
Depends what those guys have left, and who's healthy at kickoff of the regular season.Thing is, most of the baggage is at Goodwill now, and if anything did come up, then the impact of losing him would be nil ... like Greenberg said, typical Belichick move, lots of upside, no downside.I'd personally be fine with having Plaxico as the fourth or fifth option for Brady ... we'll see.
I would agree with you if it werent for the baggage, course without the baggage he probably wount be available.
I dunno, I just don't want to invite trouble into the lockeroom. Though when you think about it, him and gronk together would be very tough to cover around the goal line
That isn't entirely true though. If Burress makes the team instead of Branch, Stallworth, or Gaffney and then baggage comes up during the season, the impact of losing him would be losing Branch, Stallworth, or Gaffney for nothing. Branch, Stallworth, and Gaffney probably won't be waiting around at home for Belichick to call back.
Are we even sure he has more left than Branch, Stallworth, or Gaffney at this point? Or even some young, undrafted, unknown quantity?
There is always an opportunity cost, especially on a team as good as New England. Only 53 players can make an NFL team, so any player added costs a good player his job. People said the same about Chad last year, and then we needed him in the Super Bowl, the Giants simply single covered him because he had no speed left. Burress could be next in the line of Holt, Galloway, and Ochocinco.
However, he is still 6'5 and a great red zone target, which is certainly valuable so I can see the case to be made FOR Plaxico Burress. However, I think the case AGAINST is just as compelling.
I think Plaxico is irrelevant for the most part.
This team's achiles heal is the offensive line. And they need to get that in line before worrying about anything else.
I think Plaxico is irrelevant for the most part.
This team's achiles heal is the offensive line. And they need to get that in line before worrying about anything else.
Agreed.
I expect the defense to be better this year but the O-Line is my biggest concern and could be the one thing that keeps this team from greatness.
I think Plaxico is irrelevant for the most part.
This team's achiles heal is the offensive line. And they need to get that in line before worrying about anything else.
Agreed.
I expect the defense to be better this year but the O-Line is my biggest concern and could be the one thing that keeps this team from greatness.
I think the line gets much better once Mankins and waters are re-insterted. I think you will see a dropoff from light to Solder but it won't be huge.
I think the connoly and koppen combo will work well at center and I hope that Vollmer/Cannon can keep it locked down on right tackle.
But really I would say the interior line is strong and the left tackle position should be slightly above average with the right tackle position hopefully be able to band-aided together
I think Plaxico is irrelevant for the most part.
This team's achiles heal is the offensive line. And they need to get that in line before worrying about anything else.
Agreed.
I expect the defense to be better this year but the O-Line is my biggest concern and could be the one thing that keeps this team from greatness.
I think the line gets much better once Mankins and waters are re-insterted. I think you will see a dropoff from light to Solder but it won't be huge.
I think the connoly and koppen combo will work well at center and I hope that Vollmer/Cannon can keep it locked down on right tackle.
But really I would say the interior line is strong and the left tackle position should be slightly above average with the right tackle position hopefully be able to band-aided together
If Water's does come back I will feel much better about things. But I am not sure that is a given, even though it seems to be what everyone is assuming.
I think Plaxico is irrelevant for the most part.
This team's achiles heal is the offensive line. And they need to get that in line before worrying about anything else.
Agreed.
I expect the defense to be better this year but the O-Line is my biggest concern and could be the one thing that keeps this team from greatness.
I think the line gets much better once Mankins and waters are re-insterted. I think you will see a dropoff from light to Solder but it won't be huge.
I think the connoly and koppen combo will work well at center and I hope that Vollmer/Cannon can keep it locked down on right tackle.
But really I would say the interior line is strong and the left tackle position should be slightly above average with the right tackle position hopefully be able to band-aided together
If Water's does come back I will feel much better about things. But I am not sure that is a given, even though it seems to be what everyone is assuming.
Agreed on that point, I do believe though that they are just going to let him come in after the preseason much like he did last year.
3) I don't get the whole fullback thing that McDaniels is doing here. Besides being a dying position in the NFL, it doesn't seem to make sense to carry any of the guys we have from a talent position. I think the much better idea, and perhaps what they'll ultimately do, is continue to play Hernandez and perhaps even Gronk, in the backfield in a fullback position. This does a variety of interesting things. Not only is it hard for defenses to read, it also is a way that the Pats can carve out more time for 3 receivers will still having someone in the backfield as a blocker. I also like Gronk as a lead blocker from the backfield with either Ridley or Vereen. I just don't see how Kettani or Larsen are really going to be an asset when we could keep an extra player someone else and just let the TEs do it.
No Brady tonight?Chung got injured tonight ... Welker and Gronk not playing, either, (night off along with Tom). Ally Raisman sitting with Kraft. Like what I'm seeing from the o-line.
Antone else watching pre-season?!?
Impressed with Mallett, but Nick Foles is lighting it up.
Deion Branch is looking good too. I thought a week ago that he might actually be beaten out by Stallworth. But he's looked his usual solid self.Yeah, health is the big issue with Deion, I hope he can hang in there and give us something substantial, cuz he's still got some game ... not sure why he decided to play Chung, but I wish he hadn't in an essentially meaningless game.
Demps vs Bucs Preseason
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRbZL2UnRIo
Baltimore Ravens linebacker Terrell Suggs has been placed on the physically unable to perform list.
That means Suggs will have to miss at least the first six weeks of the season. The move, announced Monday, comes as no surprise because Suggs is recovering from a torn right Achilles, an injury that should keep him sidelined at least into November.
Suggs, the reigning Defensive Player of the Year, had 14 sacks last season.
Has anyone else been shocked by Cunningham's transformation into Willie McGinest? He was a stringbean a couple years ago, who couldn't get on the field, because he couldn't cover as a linebacker, and was too weak to battle on the line...now he is bullrushing from a 3 technique and getting sacks?
Has anyone else been shocked by Cunningham's transformation into Willie McGinest? He was a stringbean a couple years ago, who couldn't get on the field, because he couldn't cover as a linebacker, and was too weak to battle on the line...now he is bullrushing from a 3 technique and getting sacks?
I guess its a pretty even playing field with PEDs in the NFL (I really think a LOT of guys use them)...so hopefully this guy can revive his career a bit.
Has anyone else been shocked by Cunningham's transformation into Willie McGinest? He was a stringbean a couple years ago, who couldn't get on the field, because he couldn't cover as a linebacker, and was too weak to battle on the line...now he is bullrushing from a 3 technique and getting sacks?
I guess its a pretty even playing field with PEDs in the NFL (I really think a LOT of guys use them)...so hopefully this guy can revive his career a bit.
What about Brace, too? He's looking like he can be a stout anchor for the defensive line. Another guy that seemed to be on the outide looking in when camp started. BB's recent drafts are starting to look better and better.
Has anyone else been shocked by Cunningham's transformation into Willie McGinest? He was a stringbean a couple years ago, who couldn't get on the field, because he couldn't cover as a linebacker, and was too weak to battle on the line...now he is bullrushing from a 3 technique and getting sacks?
I guess its a pretty even playing field with PEDs in the NFL (I really think a LOT of guys use them)...so hopefully this guy can revive his career a bit.
What about Brace, too? He's looking like he can be a stout anchor for the defensive line. Another guy that seemed to be on the outide looking in when camp started. BB's recent drafts are starting to look better and better.
Yes, I forgot about Brace, thanks for reminding me.
My concerns at this point: (1) O-Line, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Waters comes back and (2) Running Backs -- they just can't seem to stay healthy.
Has anyone else been shocked by Cunningham's transformation into Willie McGinest? He was a stringbean a couple years ago, who couldn't get on the field, because he couldn't cover as a linebacker, and was too weak to battle on the line...now he is bullrushing from a 3 technique and getting sacks?
I guess its a pretty even playing field with PEDs in the NFL (I really think a LOT of guys use them)...so hopefully this guy can revive his career a bit.
What about Brace, too? He's looking like he can be a stout anchor for the defensive line. Another guy that seemed to be on the outide looking in when camp started. BB's recent drafts are starting to look better and better.
Yes, I forgot about Brace, thanks for reminding me.
My concerns at this point: (1) O-Line, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Waters comes back and (2) Running Backs -- they just can't seem to stay healthy.
Has anyone else been shocked by Cunningham's transformation into Willie McGinest? He was a stringbean a couple years ago, who couldn't get on the field, because he couldn't cover as a linebacker, and was too weak to battle on the line...now he is bullrushing from a 3 technique and getting sacks?
I guess its a pretty even playing field with PEDs in the NFL (I really think a LOT of guys use them)...so hopefully this guy can revive his career a bit.
What about Brace, too? He's looking like he can be a stout anchor for the defensive line. Another guy that seemed to be on the outide looking in when camp started. BB's recent drafts are starting to look better and better.
Yes, I forgot about Brace, thanks for reminding me.
My concerns at this point: (1) O-Line, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Waters comes back and (2) Running Backs -- they just can't seem to stay healthy.
What RBs are injured?
Has anyone else been shocked by Cunningham's transformation into Willie McGinest? He was a stringbean a couple years ago, who couldn't get on the field, because he couldn't cover as a linebacker, and was too weak to battle on the line...now he is bullrushing from a 3 technique and getting sacks?
I guess its a pretty even playing field with PEDs in the NFL (I really think a LOT of guys use them)...so hopefully this guy can revive his career a bit.
What about Brace, too? He's looking like he can be a stout anchor for the defensive line. Another guy that seemed to be on the outide looking in when camp started. BB's recent drafts are starting to look better and better.
Yes, I forgot about Brace, thanks for reminding me.
My concerns at this point: (1) O-Line, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Waters comes back and (2) Running Backs -- they just can't seem to stay healthy.
What RBs are injured?
Vereen got hurt (again) against the Bucs. Ridley, not sure if his not playing was because he was dinged during practice or because they knew he was the starter and wanted to make sure he didn't GET hurt last night. Demps seemed to have some kind of injury late last night, although word today was that it's nothing too serious (not an ACL).
With the (re-)emergence of Cunningham and Brace, though, you may not be able to say "another BB 2nd-round bust!" too much longer.
Has anyone else been shocked by Cunningham's transformation into Willie McGinest? He was a stringbean a couple years ago, who couldn't get on the field, because he couldn't cover as a linebacker, and was too weak to battle on the line...now he is bullrushing from a 3 technique and getting sacks?
I guess its a pretty even playing field with PEDs in the NFL (I really think a LOT of guys use them)...so hopefully this guy can revive his career a bit.
What about Brace, too? He's looking like he can be a stout anchor for the defensive line. Another guy that seemed to be on the outide looking in when camp started. BB's recent drafts are starting to look better and better.
Yes, I forgot about Brace, thanks for reminding me.
My concerns at this point: (1) O-Line, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Waters comes back and (2) Running Backs -- they just can't seem to stay healthy.
Yup, im still hoping waters comes back and Vollmer will stay healthy. I think those are the two keys for the O-line this season.
With the RB's I think we should be OK. Though Vereen is starting to look like another Belichick second round busst
Has anyone else been shocked by Cunningham's transformation into Willie McGinest? He was a stringbean a couple years ago, who couldn't get on the field, because he couldn't cover as a linebacker, and was too weak to battle on the line...now he is bullrushing from a 3 technique and getting sacks?
I guess its a pretty even playing field with PEDs in the NFL (I really think a LOT of guys use them)...so hopefully this guy can revive his career a bit.
What about Brace, too? He's looking like he can be a stout anchor for the defensive line. Another guy that seemed to be on the outide looking in when camp started. BB's recent drafts are starting to look better and better.
Yes, I forgot about Brace, thanks for reminding me.
My concerns at this point: (1) O-Line, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Waters comes back and (2) Running Backs -- they just can't seem to stay healthy.
What RBs are injured?
Vereen got hurt (again) against the Bucs. Ridley, not sure if his not playing was because he was dinged during practice or because they knew he was the starter and wanted to make sure he didn't GET hurt last night. Demps seemed to have some kind of injury late last night, although word today was that it's nothing too serious (not an ACL).
With the (re-)emergence of Cunningham and Brace, though, you may not be able to say "another BB 2nd-round bust!" too much longer.
Didn't hear about Vereen. I am pretty sure Ridley was just sitting along with every other starter.
Has anyone else been shocked by Cunningham's transformation into Willie McGinest? He was a stringbean a couple years ago, who couldn't get on the field, because he couldn't cover as a linebacker, and was too weak to battle on the line...now he is bullrushing from a 3 technique and getting sacks?
I guess its a pretty even playing field with PEDs in the NFL (I really think a LOT of guys use them)...so hopefully this guy can revive his career a bit.
What about Brace, too? He's looking like he can be a stout anchor for the defensive line. Another guy that seemed to be on the outide looking in when camp started. BB's recent drafts are starting to look better and better.
Yes, I forgot about Brace, thanks for reminding me.
My concerns at this point: (1) O-Line, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Waters comes back and (2) Running Backs -- they just can't seem to stay healthy.
What RBs are injured?
Vereen got hurt (again) against the Bucs. Ridley, not sure if his not playing was because he was dinged during practice or because they knew he was the starter and wanted to make sure he didn't GET hurt last night. Demps seemed to have some kind of injury late last night, although word today was that it's nothing too serious (not an ACL).
With the (re-)emergence of Cunningham and Brace, though, you may not be able to say "another BB 2nd-round bust!" too much longer.
Didn't hear about Vereen. I am pretty sure Ridley was just sitting along with every other starter.
I should have added that my concerns with RB are also due to the general inexperience.
Woodhead is experienced
Vereen and Ridley are 2nd year players, but Vereen was injured most of last year.
Bolden and Demps are undrafted FAs with no experience.
There's just a lot of question marks about what type of contribution we're going to get from this group.
Pats just released Brian Hoyer and Dan Koppen. Thanks to Koppen for a great career here in NE
Very surprised about branch. I figured dumping stallworth and gaffney meant branch had beaten them for sure. CANNOT see them going with Lloyd/Welker/Edelman as the only actual receivers in a pass-based attack(Slater-though i love his special teams- and his stone hands do not count). Wonder if there's an in-house or pre-known target replacement, or if Hernandez is actually a WR now.
So WR's the pats cut this year
Ochocinco
Deion Branch
Anthony Gonzalez
Jabar Gaffney
Donte Stallworth
quite the crew
The reciever thing is interesting. I would not be surprised if at least one of those guys is back, as soon as week 1.
I really don't have a good grasp on the roster and cap rules for the NFL, but I bet there are some cap implications they are working around...and perhaps also delaying cutting one of the young guys until a point when they think they can more easily slip him to the practice squad.
Pats just released Brian Hoyer and Dan Koppen. Thanks to Koppen for a great career here in NE
Interesting. I was wondering what would happen with Hoyer, since it seemed like Mallet had passed him.
Pats just released Brian Hoyer and Dan Koppen. Thanks to Koppen for a great career here in NE
Interesting. I was wondering what would happen with Hoyer, since it seemed like Mallet had passed him.
Hoyer was due for $1.9 million this year. Sounds like they considered Mallett their #2 for this year, and weren't going to pay $1.9 million to their emergency QB. I'm sure he'll find a spot somewhere.
So WR's the pats cut this year
Ochocinco
Deion Branch
Anthony Gonzalez
Jabar Gaffney
Donte Stallworth
quite the crew
Quite the crew 5 years ago.
Edelman played QB in college, right? So if Brady and Mallet get injured in the same span, he'd step in for emergency purposes, I'd think.
Wasn't Brian Mitchell the 3rd string qb for most of McNabb's years?
Edelman played QB in college, right? So if Brady and Mallet get injured in the same span, he'd step in for emergency purposes, I'd think.
Wasn't Brian Mitchell the 3rd string qb for most of McNabb's years?
Edelman hasn't played a lick of QB, even in practice, since college. I don't think I've even seen him run any trick plays. Hoyer's cut, I get, he was making too much given that he wasn't any better than Mallett, but they'll bring in a practice squad kid.
However, I'd like to see someone else who can be an outside receiver if Lloyd went down. I think Edelman can do a good Welker impression, but if he could really be an outside threat, I think we would've seen it last year when we needed one so desperately.
The reciever thing is interesting. I would not be surprised if at least one of those guys is back, as soon as week 1.
I really don't have a good grasp on the roster and cap rules for the NFL, but I bet there are some cap implications they are working around...and perhaps also delaying cutting one of the young guys until a point when they think they can more easily slip him to the practice squad.
Yeah, a few writers on Twitter have mentioned the idea that either Branch or Gaffney could be back.
Pats release Bobby Carpenter (which comes as a surprise) and trade for WR Greg Salas from the Rams. Clearly, Josh McDaniels sees something in him that the Rams do not.
Bummed out about Demps going on IR. Was really looking forward to him returning kicks this year.Me, too, but I have a feeling it's very temporary ... I think we'll see him before long.
Bummed out about Demps going on IR. Was really looking forward to him returning kicks this year.Me, too, but I have a feeling it's very temporary ... I think we'll see him before long.
•The season is over for RB Jeff Demps, who likely sustained a bruised knee (MCL or PCL) against the Giants. He'll get to redshirt and get ready for next season.http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2012/08/some_thoughts_o_2.html
•Demps is NOT eligible for the new in-season IR rule. To be eligible, the player has to be on the 53-man roster Friday night and then moved to IR after 4 p.m. on Tuesday. TE Visanthe Shiancoe would be a prime candidate. That would open up another roster spot.
1. G Thomas Austin (former Patriot who had been claimed by Texans in 2011)
2. FB Eric Kettani (spent 2011 on Patriots practice squad)
3. WR Sam Kirkland (rookie free agent from Kent State who was with Redskins in preseason)
4. OT Matt Kopa (spent 2011 on Patriots practice squad)
5. TE Alex Silvestro (spent 2011 on Patriots practice squad as defensive end)
6. LB Jeff Tarpinian (appeared in 7 games, with 1 start, for Patriots last season)
7. DB Malcolm Williams (2011 seventh-round draft choice of Patriots; 5 games played in 2011; also practice squad)
I hadn't heard this. TP for the update, tho.Bummed out about Demps going on IR. Was really looking forward to him returning kicks this year.Me, too, but I have a feeling it's very temporary ... I think we'll see him before long.
Like next year in training camp?
According to Bedard (Globe - knows this stuff well), Demps can't play again this year.
EDIT: Here's Bedard's quoteQuote•The season is over for RB Jeff Demps, who likely sustained a bruised knee (MCL or PCL) against the Giants. He'll get to redshirt and get ready for next season.http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2012/08/some_thoughts_o_2.html
•Demps is NOT eligible for the new in-season IR rule. To be eligible, the player has to be on the 53-man roster Friday night and then moved to IR after 4 p.m. on Tuesday. TE Visanthe Shiancoe would be a prime candidate. That would open up another roster spot.
Hightower has changed his jersey Number to #54, the number previously worn by Brian Waters. I think this combined with the pats bringing in tenant should spell the end for waters.
Very dissapointing
Hightower has changed his jersey Number to #54, the number previously worn by Brian Waters. I think this combined with the pats bringing in tenant should spell the end for waters.
Very dissapointing
Yep. Hopefully BB knew this all along, and it was part of a clever ploy to get some of the teams we play in the early part of the season waste time watching old tape of Waters....
:-\
Belichek is a nut. I guarantee if he really needed a QB fast he wouldn't take some practice squad reject kid. He'd have Doug Flutie and Vinny Testaverde on speed dial and maybe Vince Young or something. But not Farve. He wants to winEdelman played QB in college, right? So if Brady and Mallet get injured in the same span, he'd step in for emergency purposes, I'd think.
Wasn't Brian Mitchell the 3rd string qb for most of McNabb's years?
Edelman hasn't played a lick of QB, even in practice, since college. I don't think I've even seen him run any trick plays. Hoyer's cut, I get, he was making too much given that he wasn't any better than Mallett, but they'll bring in a practice squad kid.
Belichek is a nut. I guarantee if he really needed a QB fast he wouldn't take some practice squad reject kid. He'd have Doug Flutie and Vinny Testaverde on speed dial and maybe Vince Young or something. But not Farve. He wants to winEdelman played QB in college, right? So if Brady and Mallet get injured in the same span, he'd step in for emergency purposes, I'd think.
Wasn't Brian Mitchell the 3rd string qb for most of McNabb's years?
Edelman hasn't played a lick of QB, even in practice, since college. I don't think I've even seen him run any trick plays. Hoyer's cut, I get, he was making too much given that he wasn't any better than Mallett, but they'll bring in a practice squad kid.
ESPN predictions: http://espn.go.com/nfl/preview12/story/_/id/8295463/espn-experts-nfl-predictions-2012
The experts are very bullish on Green Bay as SB winner, with NE as a distant second.
Out of the AFC, they like NE the best, with Ravens and Texans also in the mix.
ESPN predictions: http://espn.go.com/nfl/preview12/story/_/id/8295463/espn-experts-nfl-predictions-2012
The experts are very bullish on Green Bay as SB winner, with NE as a distant second.
Out of the AFC, they like NE the best, with Ravens and Texans also in the mix.
I wonder how they feel after week 1...
Two votes for Chandler Jones as Defensive ROY!
I'm happy that Ridley had a good game against the Titans, but couldn't help to notice that BJGE had a nice game this past week as well.
I hope he does well, but I hope we don't miss him too much... if that makes sense :)
I just saw a Pats DE beat a left tackle to destroy a team's offensive ability two plays in row. I don't think I've seen that since about 2005Haha, chandler jones! Pride of union endicott high school! #607
Ridley seems sliiiiggghhhtttlly better than the Law Firm, but not enough to compensate from the lost security of knowing the RB won't fumble
These commentators are guys I can totally live with
Kolb is keeping plays alive and Brady is ending them. I think we're in the final 2 years of the Brady ride. Next stop is sorta Brett Farveville if Brett hadn't been a total moron.
Play calling doesn't explain dropped passes, overthrown balls, the QB holding onto the ball too long, and losing the battle on the line of scrimmage.Kolb is keeping plays alive and Brady is ending them. I think we're in the final 2 years of the Brady ride. Next stop is sorta Brett Farveville if Brett hadn't been a total moron.
I don't think Brady has been the problem. Play calling has been terrible on offense and the blocked punt. Those are the reasons we are losing
Kolb is keeping plays alive and Brady is ending them. I think we're in the final 2 years of the Brady ride. Next stop is sorta Brett Farveville if Brett hadn't been a total moron.
. I've only seen maybe 2 overthrown balls, how are the others Brady's fault. And I just don't. Think Brady has held on to the ball to long.Play calling doesn't explain dropped passes, overthrown balls, the QB holding onto the ball too long, and losing the battle on the line of scrimmage.Kolb is keeping plays alive and Brady is ending them. I think we're in the final 2 years of the Brady ride. Next stop is sorta Brett Farveville if Brett hadn't been a total moron.
I don't think Brady has been the problem. Play calling has been terrible on offense and the blocked punt. Those are the reasons we are losing
when there are guys around and behind you and you have several yards of open space and your receivers are all covered tuck the ball and run. ...like Kolb. I've only seen maybe 2 overthrown balls, how are the others Brady's fault. And I just don't. Think Brady has held on to the ball to long.Play calling doesn't explain dropped passes, overthrown balls, the QB holding onto the ball too long, and losing the battle on the line of scrimmage.Kolb is keeping plays alive and Brady is ending them. I think we're in the final 2 years of the Brady ride. Next stop is sorta Brett Farveville if Brett hadn't been a total moron.
I don't think Brady has been the problem. Play calling has been terrible on offense and the blocked punt. Those are the reasons we are losing
when there are guys around and behind you and you have several yards of open space and your receivers are all covered tuck the ball and run. ...like Kolb. I've only seen maybe 2 overthrown balls, how are the others Brady's fault. And I just don't. Think Brady has held on to the ball to long.Play calling doesn't explain dropped passes, overthrown balls, the QB holding onto the ball too long, and losing the battle on the line of scrimmage.Kolb is keeping plays alive and Brady is ending them. I think we're in the final 2 years of the Brady ride. Next stop is sorta Brett Farveville if Brett hadn't been a total moron.
I don't think Brady has been the problem. Play calling has been terrible on offense and the blocked punt. Those are the reasons we are losing
Putting a skirt on your leader isn't a good strategy. Actually a skirt would be a pretty big upgrade in that case.when there are guys around and behind you and you have several yards of open space and your receivers are all covered tuck the ball and run. ...like Kolb. I've only seen maybe 2 overthrown balls, how are the others Brady's fault. And I just don't. Think Brady has held on to the ball to long.Play calling doesn't explain dropped passes, overthrown balls, the QB holding onto the ball too long, and losing the battle on the line of scrimmage.Kolb is keeping plays alive and Brady is ending them. I think we're in the final 2 years of the Brady ride. Next stop is sorta Brett Farveville if Brett hadn't been a total moron.
I don't think Brady has been the problem. Play calling has been terrible on offense and the blocked punt. Those are the reasons we are losing
No thanks, I'll take a zero yard play on that every single time rather than exposing Brady to a hit. Every single time.
Also crazy catch by Lloyd
when there are guys around and behind you and you have several yards of open space and your receivers are all covered tuck the ball and run. ...like Kolb. I've only seen maybe 2 overthrown balls, how are the others Brady's fault. And I just don't. Think Brady has held on to the ball to long.Play calling doesn't explain dropped passes, overthrown balls, the QB holding onto the ball too long, and losing the battle on the line of scrimmage.Kolb is keeping plays alive and Brady is ending them. I think we're in the final 2 years of the Brady ride. Next stop is sorta Brett Farveville if Brett hadn't been a total moron.
I don't think Brady has been the problem. Play calling has been terrible on offense and the blocked punt. Those are the reasons we are losing
I'm not saying he can't slide and act like a coward at the end and all, but you don't have to be a coward the entire duration of the play. If he's going to play that way the whole stuff about the injury and the supermodel and the kids won't go away. In the mean time you have Kolb out there acting like he'd punch his mother in the face for a yard and you see the differencewhen there are guys around and behind you and you have several yards of open space and your receivers are all covered tuck the ball and run. ...like Kolb. I've only seen maybe 2 overthrown balls, how are the others Brady's fault. And I just don't. Think Brady has held on to the ball to long.Play calling doesn't explain dropped passes, overthrown balls, the QB holding onto the ball too long, and losing the battle on the line of scrimmage.Kolb is keeping plays alive and Brady is ending them. I think we're in the final 2 years of the Brady ride. Next stop is sorta Brett Farveville if Brett hadn't been a total moron.
I don't think Brady has been the problem. Play calling has been terrible on offense and the blocked punt. Those are the reasons we are losing
Agreed, thats been a frustrating aspect of Brady's game today. There seemed to be a number of times where he had the opportunity to run the ball himself for some positive yards and he just wouldn't do it, even when there were times the open field looked wiiide open, still just force it somewhere or throw it away.
And going back to last season, he's been doing it more and more lately.
Could be a hint of age starting to catch up to him.
Putting a skirt on your leader isn't a good strategy. Actually a skirt would be a pretty big upgrade in that case.when there are guys around and behind you and you have several yards of open space and your receivers are all covered tuck the ball and run. ...like Kolb. I've only seen maybe 2 overthrown balls, how are the others Brady's fault. And I just don't. Think Brady has held on to the ball to long.Play calling doesn't explain dropped passes, overthrown balls, the QB holding onto the ball too long, and losing the battle on the line of scrimmage.Kolb is keeping plays alive and Brady is ending them. I think we're in the final 2 years of the Brady ride. Next stop is sorta Brett Farveville if Brett hadn't been a total moron.
I don't think Brady has been the problem. Play calling has been terrible on offense and the blocked punt. Those are the reasons we are losing
No thanks, I'll take a zero yard play on that every single time rather than exposing Brady to a hit. Every single time.
Also crazy catch by Lloyd
Maybe we should try to put him in a straightjacket too so that nothing happens to his arms. Or just put him on the sideline. No. On the sideline you could still get hit by a meteorite. Keep him in the owner's box. Nothing bad could happen to him there......except an assassin. Ok. Just stay at home. Then he won't get hurt. It's football. He's already got a bullseye. He didn't get injured when he took off. He got injured in the pocket.Putting a skirt on your leader isn't a good strategy. Actually a skirt would be a pretty big upgrade in that case.when there are guys around and behind you and you have several yards of open space and your receivers are all covered tuck the ball and run. ...like Kolb. I've only seen maybe 2 overthrown balls, how are the others Brady's fault. And I just don't. Think Brady has held on to the ball to long.Play calling doesn't explain dropped passes, overthrown balls, the QB holding onto the ball too long, and losing the battle on the line of scrimmage.Kolb is keeping plays alive and Brady is ending them. I think we're in the final 2 years of the Brady ride. Next stop is sorta Brett Farveville if Brett hadn't been a total moron.
I don't think Brady has been the problem. Play calling has been terrible on offense and the blocked punt. Those are the reasons we are losing
No thanks, I'll take a zero yard play on that every single time rather than exposing Brady to a hit. Every single time.
Also crazy catch by Lloyd
Putting a bullseye on your franchise player is a far worse strategy
So eja, you are willing to trade 5yards for a season of Ryan mallet?The way the offensive line is playing I don't think he's safe anywhere so I'd have to say yes. HEL LO! You play to win the game. You play...to win..the game. You don't play to not get hurt (unless it's the preseason.) You play..to win..the game. They wear pads. They work out. Now go and play like you mean it. Not like Brady is playing. When Kolb comes over to the sideline you don't see Wisenhunt saying "Hey. Why'd you take off like that? What r u thinking? You coulda got hurt. We mighta had to deal with a back up."
To be honest, I can't believe the Pats didn't run a couple of plays to get closer. A 42 yarder isn't a gimme. A blown miracle -- you don't get too many chances for miracles. Yuck!
To be honest, I can't believe the Pats didn't run a couple of plays to get closer. A 42 yarder isn't a gimme. A blown miracle -- you don't get too many chances for miracles. Yuck!
Thoughts on the game:
1. Hernandez will be a big loss that hurts the flexibility of our offense.
2. Defense looks much better than it has in recent memory.
3. Running game looks better than it has in a while.
4. Gostowski (sp?) will be fine.
5. Didn't think the Gronk hold was the correct call, Chandler Jones got held much worse than that the entire game.
6. Gronk was interfered with on the two point conversion.
7. Would like to see more screens and draws to slow up the pass rush.
8. Expect Lloyd to start connecting with Brady on deep balls soon (maybe not next week because Baltimore's secondary is legit)
Two interesting notes from yesterdays game.
-Arizona scored 10 of their 20 points on two drives where the moved the ball a combined 9 yards
-10 of the cardinals 13 possessions lasted 5 plays or less
Pats grasp defeat from the clutchs of victory.
Maybe the other teams have finally figured out how to beat the Pats offensive system. ( pressure the QB)
Pats grasp defeat from the clutchs of victory.
Maybe the other teams have finally figured out how to beat the Pats offensive system. ( pressure the QB)
Oh man, please, no "pressure the QB" talk. I can't think of a more obvious football gameplan than "pressure the QB"...I'm pretty sure no qb likes to get hit or sacked. It only took until the Giants in 2007, up until then no teams in the first 6 years of Brady's career obviously never had the idea of "pressure the QB"
Brady has to do better with taking the opportunity to scramble for a few yards, not be Vick or RGIII, but the amount of times he hung onto the ball or threw it away when he had the chance to gain some positive yardage on his own was so frustrating to watch yesterday.
BTW, the defense is looking awesome and this year's draft class might be the best in a decade.
Arizona didn't win that game, the Pats lost it. Poor offensive play calling. Bad special teams. Undisciplined and stupid penalties. Poor execution. Poor decision making and throws on many occasions from Brady. Some really bad drops.Yeah, exactly ... I told someone today that I wcs encouraged from that game and they looked at me like I had lobsters coming out of my ears.
Belichick will love having this game in his pocket to remind this team of how they need to practice and execute to win. In the long run, this might be a good thing for the team.
BTW, the defense is looking awesome and this year's draft class might be the best in a decade.
I did not realize Ridley is 5th in the league in rushing yards and 10th in yards per attempt. Kinda makes the loss more frustrating actually
Speaking of Riley why were they shying away from him down the stretch in favor of woodhead? The fumble thing? Woodhead has fumbled too and he's been pretty terrible so far.
Also what did the Cards coach say about BB? I heard something about it on the radio this morning.
Speaking of Riley why were they shying away from him down the stretch in favor of woodhead? The fumble thing? Woodhead has fumbled too and he's been pretty terrible so far.
Also what did the Cards coach say about BB? I heard something about it on the radio this morning.
Now here’s the reality. Thanks to the new availability of coaches film from the NFL Game Rewind service, which charts plays and allows each of them to be reviewed individually via an All-22 camera angle, Horton’s claim is just. flat. wrong.
Hernandez sprained his ankle on the third offensive snap. (Hardly enough time for Horton to spot any real tendencies.) After that, the Patriots ran out of shotgun formation 10 times — including the woulda-coulda-shoulda touchdown run from Danny Woodhead that was called back on a Gronk holding penalty. And the Pats passed when Brady lined up under center 11 times.
That’s 21 plays that directly contradict the tendencies that Horton boasted the Cardinals saw. Not one or two. Twenty-one!
We’re not going to try to figure out whether Horton was intentionally lying or whether he was grossly misinformed. Either way, the comment turns what was a high point of his coaching career quickly into a low point. (And, yes, I regret taking his words at face value and not checking the game tape sooner. I could make 50 Francesa-style excuses, but the fact remains that I erroneously trusted that Horton was telling the truth or something reasonably close to it.)
Vintage Brady two minute drill, still the best in the bizExcept when he's getting it handed to him by Eli Manning and Kevin Kolb
Vintage Brady two minute drill, still the best in the bizExcept when he's getting it handed to him by Eli Manning and Kevin Kolb
How could I forget? Vintage Brady used to win games with Jermaine Wiggins and Antoine Smith and JR Redmond. Now he has an all star cast and struggles every weekVintage Brady two minute drill, still the best in the bizExcept when he's getting it handed to him by Eli Manning and Kevin Kolb
And Sanchez, don't forget Sanchez
Holy crap. How does Deion have a face leftHe's tough. He's not afraid to get hit
Holy crap. How does Deion have a face leftHe's tough. He's not afraid to get hit
He goes for every inchHoly crap. How does Deion have a face leftHe's tough. He's not afraid to get hit
Well he has also been excellent at self preservation over the years, many runs out of bounds and catches while falling to the ground.
He goes for every inchHoly crap. How does Deion have a face leftHe's tough. He's not afraid to get hit
Well he has also been excellent at self preservation over the years, many runs out of bounds and catches while falling to the ground.
This really is such a shame, terrible calls all over tonight
I have a baaad feeling about how this game is going to end. It'll be quite ironic and I guess couldn't end really any other way if it does end how I think it will.
Man, that was close.Close? This was most clearly out.
Man, that was close.Close? This was most clearly out.
This.Man, that was close.Close? This was most clearly out.
Whichever way the call should have gone, I don't think it was clear cut.
I've watched the replay a half-dozen times, and I think it was good.
I don't think any part of the ball was between the uprights extended. Some part of the ball may have passed through the extended upright, but that's not enough to score the FG, is it?Man, that was close.Close? This was most clearly out.
Whichever way the call should have gone, I don't think it was clear cut.
I've watched the replay a half-dozen times, and I think it was good.
I don't think any part of the ball was between the uprights extended. Some part of the ball may have passed through the extended upright, but that's not enough to score the FG, is it?Man, that was close.Close? This was most clearly out.
Whichever way the call should have gone, I don't think it was clear cut.
I've watched the replay a half-dozen times, and I think it was good.
The entire ball must pass through the vertical plane of the goal, which is the area above the crossbar
and between the uprights or, if above the uprights, between their outside edges.
Unless I'm missing the exact moment it's above the upright, to me at least a quarter of the full width of the ball is outside the edge of the upright.
well the replay is lame. Why are there not cameras for this call? a camera perpendicular to the uprights or a camera shooting straight up the uprights. It is impossible to tell when the ball is crossing through the uprights from a camera at a 45angle of the endzone, ridiculous.It's apparently not reviewable. It seem you can review whether it goes between the uprights, but not whether it goes above (I struggle to think of a case when you won't be sure whether it's gone between the uprights...)
(I struggle to think of a case when you won't be sure whether it's gone between the uprights...)
Sadly, they don't really seem to need a dare... ::)(I struggle to think of a case when you won't be sure whether it's gone between the uprights...)
Don't dare the replacement refs to prove you wrong.
well the replay is lame. Why are there not cameras for this call? a camera perpendicular to the uprights or a camera shooting straight up the uprights. It is impossible to tell when the ball is crossing through the uprights from a camera at a 45angle of the endzone, ridiculous.It's apparently not reviewable. It seem you can review whether it goes between the uprights, but not whether it goes above (I struggle to think of a case when you won't be sure whether it's gone between the uprights...)
Sure -- how bad can a computer be when the alternative is an overmatched high school ref? :Pwell the replay is lame. Why are there not cameras for this call? a camera perpendicular to the uprights or a camera shooting straight up the uprights. It is impossible to tell when the ball is crossing through the uprights from a camera at a 45angle of the endzone, ridiculous.It's apparently not reviewable. It seem you can review whether it goes between the uprights, but not whether it goes above (I struggle to think of a case when you won't be sure whether it's gone between the uprights...)
i heard the same thing. But it should be reviewable. computers track tennis balls and can tell when a shot is in or out down to millimeters, football should be able to determine a field goal good or bad , its kind of important to know
Peyton Manning should make another commercial. But at some point don't you say to yourself "Well I don't want to be associated with a loser"?
Waaaaiittt a second. I thought the Denver defense was this great unit that could make Tebow look good.Peyton Manning should make another commercial. But at some point don't you say to yourself "Well I don't want to be associated with a loser"?
That's why the Denver defense isn't offered endorsements.
Why is it so difficult for Devin McCorty to look at the ball.
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Well, last year was pretty abysmal, so it's not saying much. But his lack of ability to close the deal in coverage is alarming. The last TD pass, he could have probably disrupted it, for example, but he had no idea where the ball was until the catch was made. Same thing with the pass interference in the end zone.Why is it so difficult for Devin McCorty to look at the ball.
::) ::) ::)
Ty Law was saying in the postgame... McCourty's looking more and more like a safety. I know other people have said that, but coming from Ty that carries a little more weight.
McCourty seems like he's been in pretty good position most of the time, it's just that last instant when he should be looking back for the ball that's been his downfall. I still think he looks better this year than last, however.
Woodhead clutch again today.
This is eerily taking the route of the Baltimore game. If they blow this thing to THIS offense?...biiig step back.
I hate it when Brady throws it to an O lineman
This is eerily taking the route of the Baltimore game. If they blow this thing to THIS offense?...biiig step back.
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The Pats are going to win this game, but they should be embarrassed.Show me. Till then they're a team that was outplayed all day today...by a team with a sub 6 foot rookie at QB
WOWYeah, like show up.
They really had to do a lot of things wrong to lose that one.
Is it over yet? CBS has switched to OT Cards/ Buf now.
they have been bouncing back and forth between the games.
The Pats are going to win this game, but they should be embarrassed for giving up that TD.(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/253/627/121620821_crop_650x440.jpg?1315004593)
lol at da last few pages Seattle is a tough place to play i kno a lot of yall only pay attention to ya favorite team nd nobody else but Seattle is 4-2 for a reason but da more da pats lose its all gravy so keep spillin feelings in here haha
When Brady cost the Pats 3 points just before the half because of a stupid throw away(it could have been done without being an obvious throw away), I said to my wife, "If the Pats lose by less than three points, I don't care how great Brady's numbers are, he lost this game with a stupid decision."He was absolutely Manningish...and not Eli Manning. I mean he wasn't anywhere near as bad as Brett Farve, but he was pretty horrid.
I take that all back. He lost this game because of a lot of stupid decisions. He was lucky not to have been picked off 5 times.
Also, Dennard and Wilson look like the only DBs that has half a clue and they are a 7th round rookie and a 2nd round rookie. McCourty, Chung, Arrington, Moore and Gregory all are just plain terrible.
lol at da last few pages Seattle is a tough place to play i kno a lot of yall only pay attention to ya favorite team nd nobody else but Seattle is 4-2 for a reason but da more da pats lose its all gravy so keep spillin feelings in here haha
I'm not a Pats fan, and generally root against them. However, there's no way they should have lost that game in the manner in which they did.
Getting totally burned on a deep pattern like that? Just totally unacceptable.
BTW, I hate the fact that people are pointing to the "intentional grounding". It was either that or a sack. And a sack would have killed the clock too, most likely.The one just before half wasnt close to a sack and cost the team a shot at a gimme field goal.
Yup. Not to mention how poorly we managed the clock before it.BTW, I hate the fact that people are pointing to the "intentional grounding". It was either that or a sack. And a sack would have killed the clock too, most likely.The one just before half wasnt close to a sack and cost the team a shot at a gimme field goal.
BTW, I hate the fact that people are pointing to the "intentional grounding". It was either that or a sack. And a sack would have killed the clock too, most likely.The one just before half wasnt close to a sack and cost the team a shot at a gimme field goal.
lol at da last few pages Seattle is a tough place to play i kno a lot of yall only pay attention to ya favorite team nd nobody else but Seattle is 4-2 for a reason but da more da pats lose its all gravy so keep spillin feelings in here haha
I'm not a Pats fan, and generally root against them. However, there's no way they should have lost that game in the manner in which they did.
Getting totally burned on a deep pattern like that? Just totally unacceptable.
This is what they do. And unfortunately, the other coaches have figured it out. The book on the Pat's defense has become pretty thick.
And the problem wasn't that they got "beat". I don't put that on the Corner. The problem is that the Safety was nowhere to be seen...which has been a HUGE issue. The safeties are constantly biting on the wrong patterns (or play action), leaving the deep patterns wide open.
Combine that with the fact that they seem to be teaching their corners to never play the ball, and it is making it very easy on opposing QBs.
Eja, did you happen to call into Mutt and Merloni on WEEI this week?Wasn't me. People are just starting to catch on to what I said three years ago is all.
http://audio.weei.com/a/64894165/caller-tom-brady-is-done.htm
Eja, did you happen to call into Mutt and Merloni on WEEI this week?Wasn't me. People are just starting to catch on to what I said three years ago is all.
http://audio.weei.com/a/64894165/caller-tom-brady-is-done.htm
I suppose I should listen to this thing. It might be my sports karma twin. More than likely one of you guys that laughed at me three years ago finally came around and just stole my bitEja, did you happen to call into Mutt and Merloni on WEEI this week?Wasn't me. People are just starting to catch on to what I said three years ago is all.
http://audio.weei.com/a/64894165/caller-tom-brady-is-done.htm
haha I was freaking out in the car. "Its Eja Its Eja"
Heard it. Didn't agree we stand a better chance with Mallet. If that were the case I think Mallet would be in there because I'm sure BB could trade Brady for something pretty good
Great rookieHeard it. Didn't agree we stand a better chance with Mallet. If that were the case I think Mallet would be in there because I'm sure BB could trade Brady for something pretty good
What do you think about my boy chandler? I think he needs to work on endurance cause he seems to fade in the second half of games, but he is definitely making an impact so far
Eja, did you happen to call into Mutt and Merloni on WEEI this week?Wasn't me. People are just starting to catch on to what I said three years ago is all.
http://audio.weei.com/a/64894165/caller-tom-brady-is-done.htm
no. I want him to shop him around. If everyone overvalues him as much as New England fans we might get something really good in return. I could see someone desperate and dumb out there doing something drastic....like say Snyder trading RG3 for himEja, did you happen to call into Mutt and Merloni on WEEI this week?Wasn't me. People are just starting to catch on to what I said three years ago is all.
http://audio.weei.com/a/64894165/caller-tom-brady-is-done.htm
You want BB to trade Brady, as I recall.
Surprised Lloyd did not hold onto that. Brady on target.
Mark Sanchez: worst starting QB in the NFL?
What was the recurring theme from the Patriots after last week's loss? Too many missed opportunities?
Guess they didn't learn.
no. I want him to shop him around. If everyone overvalues him as much as New England fans we might get something really good in return. I could see someone desperate and dumb out there doing something drastic....like say Snyder trading RG3 for himEja, did you happen to call into Mutt and Merloni on WEEI this week?Wasn't me. People are just starting to catch on to what I said three years ago is all.
http://audio.weei.com/a/64894165/caller-tom-brady-is-done.htm
You want BB to trade Brady, as I recall.
Mystified.
Jets should take this game. It's up to the D.
Hey yall, remember when Tom Brady had some masculinity?! Those were the days!
I honestly think the pats don't focus on D because Belicheck believers his offense is unbeatable
I guess this is "welcome to the post oughts in Boston"
The 2000s were fantastic (Celtics, Red Sox, Patriots). The 2010s have been anything but....
Mark Sanchez: worst starting QB in the NFL?I don't think Brady thinks so
I guess this is "welcome to the post oughts in Boston"
The 2000s were fantastic (Celtics, Red Sox, Patriots). The 2010s have been anything but....
Not a Bs fan, huh?
Stating the obvious: the Pats aren't a very good football team right now.
I still think they'll be one of the last two AFC teams standing at the end, though.
Soooooo I think gronk and Aaron are both hurting pretty good. Both are doing solid but neither is the matchup nightmare they should be
Soooooo I think gronk and Aaron are both hurting pretty good. Both are doing solid but neither is the matchup nightmare they should be
Yeah, I think that's part of the issue.
But I also just generally question Josh McDaniels at this point.
I don't know what they do different in the 4th quarter, but it needs to change. My least favorite sequence was the back to back plays where on 2nd down they did a complicated fake pass to the left then turn around and gun it to welker on the right (for -2 yards), then on 3rd down they do that fake handoff then pass the ball to woodhead who swung around the backfield for another loss.
I mean the offense was definitely not perfect today, but if Lloyd doesn't get the dropsies, the offense looks a lot better; why does a good offense that needs points and has been struggling for points in the 4th suddenly try to get cute? Just do what works! Sucky offenses need to resort to trickery, not good offenses against fairly fast defenses.
Zoltan was their MVP today.
Zoltan was their MVP today.
Wait a second. You're saying if we had the opportunity to trade Tom for Cam we shouldn't do it? I thought Cam was this great QB. Last year when Tebow was ripping off like 8 wins in a row and Cam was going like 4-12 all the talk was how great Cam was.
I don't really see the difference between Cam's discussion there and Tom's after game losses where he just says stuff like "Yeah. We just didn't make the plays. They just executed better than us. They're a good team and they took advantage of what we did wrong".
Both just boring cliche fests. At least Cam got a little creative with the suggestion box.
Nope I don't know that. When it said he threw the team under the bus I was expecting stuff like "My guys are dropping balls. I keep hitting them in the hands and they drop it. The defense can't make a tackle. They can't make any big plays. The kicker can't hit anything over 20 yards" but it was nothing like that. It was "We need to score more points. We need more balance."Wait a second. You're saying if we had the opportunity to trade Tom for Cam we shouldn't do it? I thought Cam was this great QB. Last year when Tebow was ripping off like 8 wins in a row and Cam was going like 4-12 all the talk was how great Cam was.
I don't really see the difference between Cam's discussion there and Tom's after game losses where he just says stuff like "Yeah. We just didn't make the plays. They just executed better than us. They're a good team and they took advantage of what we did wrong".
Both just boring cliche fests. At least Cam got a little creative with the suggestion box.
First off I never trashed tebow. I'm a big tebow fan. Second of all I'd take a guy of high character and a natural leader over somebody like pay to play cam newton.
And we both know there is a huge difference between what Brady says and what cam said
Cam's given a couple of weird press conferences this season(one after the Giants game was weird too).
He's as physically gifted as any QB in the league but you have to question the kid's mental toughness when things aren't going his way. This isn't Auburn anymore where you're running the table. You're playing for a below average team that isn't going anywhere in the short term.
I'm guessing you put Tebow's brain in Newton's body, you'd have a heckuva football player. Tebow has the drive but not necessarily the football skills while Cam is vice-versa.
Anyways, I still take Brady over either and its not close. Period.
eja your sense of reality is bordering very closely on trolling when it comes to Brady. There is no way Brady has ever said anything even remotely as passing off the blame to his team mates as Cam Newton did there.Maybe I need to listen to Cam again. I just heard a lot of frustration. To me "I can only control what I do" just doesn't sound like throwing his team under the bus. It's probably not something Tom would say but I do think Tom makes statements like "We can't worry about what we can't control" and stuff like that.
And as for the Cam/Tebow debate. Cam is still a starting QB in this league who has thrown for 5400 yards and 26 TDs in 22 games. Tebow's thrown the ball twice this year and run it 22 times. At this point he's a third or fourth string running back in a specialized wildcat formation.
Cam's given a couple of weird press conferences this season(one after the Giants game was weird too).
He's as physically gifted as any QB in the league but you have to question the kid's mental toughness when things aren't going his way. This isn't Auburn anymore where you're running the table. You're playing for a below average team that isn't going anywhere in the short term.
I'm guessing you put Tebow's brain in Newton's body, you'd have a heckuva football player. Tebow has the drive but not necessarily the football skills while Cam is vice-versa.
Anyways, I still take Brady over either and its not close. Period.
Edelman gutsy or stupid fielding that ball?
Gronk looking much more Gronk-like today
Now, will they hold on?
Now, will they hold on?
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers announced that they have traded suspended cornerback Aqib Talib to the New England Patriots. The Bucs also threw in a seventh-round selection in next year's draft in exchange for New England's Round 4 choice.
QuoteThe Tampa Bay Buccaneers announced that they have traded suspended cornerback Aqib Talib to the New England Patriots. The Bucs also threw in a seventh-round selection in next year's draft in exchange for New England's Round 4 choice.
Guess we should have see it coming after they cut Sterling Moore. Thoughts?
Pats D is definitely making luck move off his spot more than they had in the past few games
Pats D is definitely making luck move off his spot more than they had in the past few games
PFT reporting that Gronk is gonna be out 4-6 weeks with a broken forearm.
Not good news. Hopefully, Hernandez is close to returning.
That is brutal about Gronk.
Anyone else tired of the Patriots being bad in the red zone?
Anyone else tired of the Patriots being bad in the red zone?
You are seriously saying this in a game where they scored 59 points? In a season where we are 4th in the league in red zone scoring?
It might be thanksgiving but it feels like Christmas the way the Pats are playing the Jets.
Few things more enjoyable than beating up the Jets.
Few things more enjoyable than beating up the Jets.
Ditto, tho Cs over Lakers easily tops that.
The whipped cream on my Thanksgiving Day pie.
Few things more enjoyable than beating up the Jets.
Ditto, tho Cs over Lakers easily tops that.
Well yeh!
But in football terms...this is it for me
In about the least surprising news of the season, Jermaine Cunningham was suspended for 4 games for violating the PED policy of the NFL.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/11/26/patriots-jermaine-cunningham-suspended-4-games-by-nfl/
In about the least surprising news of the season, Jermaine Cunningham was suspended for 4 games for violating the PED policy of the NFL.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/11/26/patriots-jermaine-cunningham-suspended-4-games-by-nfl/
Twitter Rumor out there now from a guy at NFL films that the patriots put in a claim on Jason Babin
Twitter Rumor out there now from a guy at NFL films that the patriots put in a claim on Jason Babin
Source? Not surprising considering how weak they are in the defensive end department at the moment.
Twitter Rumor out there now from a guy at NFL films that the patriots put in a claim on Jason Babin
Source? Not surprising considering how weak they are in the defensive end department at the moment.
Twitter Rumor out there now from a guy at NFL films that the patriots put in a claim on Jason Babin
Source? Not surprising considering how weak they are in the defensive end department at the moment.
I heard 16 teams put in a claim on him.
Twitter Rumor out there now from a guy at NFL films that the patriots put in a claim on Jason Babin
Source? Not surprising considering how weak they are in the defensive end department at the moment.
I heard 16 teams put in a claim on him.
Evidently, the Pats weren't one of them.
I wonder how much of it was scheme related. Babin was productive in a system that was different than what the Pats are used to running.
I'm a little worried about gronk. I know we are supposed to be getting him back in time for the post season but you never know. Id hate for us to not go the distance because of in unhealthy gronk two season in a row.
Encouraging game today. Defense got a little lucky on a couple of bad coverage plays, but overall the D was average against the pass and good against the run. I'll take it. The offene with no Gronk, a still recovering Hernandez and an absolutely desimated line, was good enough and could be great by year end.I wouldn't get too excited. Tannehill is a horrible quarterback at this stage of his career.
Encouraging game today. Defense got a little lucky on a couple of bad coverage plays, but overall the D was average against the pass and good against the run. I'll take it. The offene with no Gronk, a still recovering Hernandez and an absolutely desimated line, was good enough and could be great by year end.I wouldn't get too excited. Tannehill is a horrible quarterback at this stage of his career.
Bummer to lose Edelman. He provided so much versatility. Wish the pats had been working Shane Vereen in on PR and KR.Actually McCourty has been taking the majority of the KO returns this year, not Edelman. But he is such a great all around special teams player and decent 3rd WR option that he will definitely be missed.
Also, I really need Arian Foster to score 23 or fewer fantasy point so that I can win my first playoff game.
Here we go Pats run defense!
That's a terrible pi call
That's a terrible pi call
Mike pereira says it was a good call. Said he hated to disagree with burden but it was catchable and a foul
That's a terrible pi call
Mike pereira says it was a good call. Said he hated to disagree with burden but it was catchable and a foul
Lebron just tweeted that not even he would have got that call :P
Really impressive night for the D (I say as the offense has put up 35 points on a Texans D that is supposed to be one of the league's best)
I'm sorry guys but I can't help it.
Lets GO NINERS! Hold them off.
I'm sorry guys but I can't help it.
Lets GO NINERS! Hold them off.
I don't dislike the 49ers. They're a good team.
Don't see anybody winning a Super Bowl without an elite QB, though, and Kaepernick is not one.
Honestly, I think the only reason the Pats got back in the game was the injury to J Smith. Once the 9ers couldn't rush Brady, he had time to pick them apart.
Stout d-lines that rush the passer have success against the Pats. It's really the only way to beat them.
Denver is probably the only AFC team NE should be "worried" by.
SF and NYG (if they even make the playoffs-ugh)are the two NFC teams. I believe they'd beat GB or Atl.
Denver is probably the only AFC team NE should be "worried" by.
SF and NYG (if they even make the playoffs-ugh)are the two NFC teams. I believe they'd beat GB or Atl.
Yeah. Most likely I think NE will have to beat the Bengals or the Colts, then the Broncos, then the Texans. In the Superbowl, it'll be the Falcons or the Packers.
The Patriots have no historically been a great road playoff team. But they've already beaten their two main competitors in the AFC. And the teams most likely to come from the NFC don't fit the profile of teams most likely to give the Pats a tough time.
Fluky game. Nobody could hold onto the ball in the first half, and more loose balls found red and gold. The gap should have been wider at halftime, to be honest.
I'd like to see the two teams meet again, without crappy weather or an injury getting in the way. I don't think this was a good representation of which of these teams is better.
Dumbest penalty ever.
I've been watching with the sound off. Has there been an update on Gronk?Nothing yet ... just them assuming he's re-injured the arm. Sucks.
Good example there of Lloyd going down when didn't need to
I didn't see a play -- he apparently fell on the same forearm and appeared to be in a bit of pain.I've been watching with the sound off. Has there been an update on Gronk?Nothing yet ... just them assuming he's re-injured the arm. Sucks.
Good example there of Lloyd going down when didn't need to
I thought there was a bad spot on the play before the TD. Foster's knee was down and ball was at the 2. Got an extra yard.Yeah, saw that, too, and thought the same thing ... his knee touched and then he bounced forward for another couple of yards.
What do you all think? TD?
Up 14 with three and half left, up only 4 to end the half!?!
Guys and gals, I'm in need of some comfort.
Oh -bad bad call.Well, a punt from the 20 is not exactly the same as a first down on the 10th.
Thankfully get the ball back.
Oh -bad bad call.Well, a punt from the 20 is not exactly the same as a first down on the 10th.
Thankfully get the ball back.
Tom could've walked for that one ... he's not a runner, but I think he could rush successfully once-in-a-while, when he has a clear lane to the first down like he did there.
I hate being paranoid but these refs are acting a little Donaghyesque. I think they're just terrible, thoughNo, they're just inexplicably bad. Just like the game yesterday, when there were bizarre bad calls both ways -- and after review, too.
They clearly blew the whistle after the clock had run out ... some very favorable calls for Houston here, and not the way you want to end the half if you're the Pats.Yes, this one too.
Yeah, there's been two or three times when they completely ignored some obvious no-calls/mistakes by the refs, for the sake of not making them look bad.They clearly blew the whistle after the clock had run out ... some very favorable calls for Houston here, and not the way you want to end the half if you're the Pats.Yes, this one too.
Also, the national coverage is as horrible as the NBA's -- all those guys were so vocal about "two seconds on the clock when the whistle was blown", and then completely ignored the replay when it was pretty evident that there was no time on the clock.
What a balanced attack today. Great quick snap.So awesome to have such a strong run game this year ... and it just serves to give Brady even more confidence to throw.
Looked like elbow down to me prior to 1st down. What a play by Talib.
Hard to believe that Gronk re-injured his arm on that play ... he put very little pressure on in when he fell, as he rolled away from it.
It'd be nice to get an update, but I'm sure that they're playing it safe anyway, as long as they're in control of the game.
It'd be nice if Woodhead's thumb is nothing major as well ... here's hoping.
Vereen. What a throw, what a catch, what a play.Truly ... that was perfection in motion.
Geez. Game looks a little comfortable and then... another return.
Geez. Game looks a little comfortable and then... another return.
No joke! It would be nice if they'd shut those down.
just need to keep burning this clock...Well, maing a stand defensively (or offensively, for that matter) would be nice too.
Gronk is out for the playoffs and will need another surgery. Ouch.He shouldnt been playing anyways
Nice win ... TPs for all!
Agree ... it was clear last week that he was far from 100%, and that kind of injury is very easily exacerbated ... now it may even effect next season. It's a shame, really.Gronk is out for the playoffs and will need another surgery. Ouch.He shouldnt been playing anyways
Sound is off, but saw Talib holding his leg looking like a hamstring. I assume that's what they are speculating?Potentially big blow for Pats there.
Go for it. Punch em in the face and go for itclose enough
Patriots missing:
Love
Chung
Talib
Jones
Kind of a major deal for their defense. Still, they're managing.
I can't help feeling like this game is playing out the way that the Ravens would like it to, though.
The Pats just aren't as scary in the Red Zone without Gronk, and the running game hasn't done as much damage as it needs to.
Patriots missing:
Love
Chung
Talib
Jones
Kind of a major deal for their defense. Still, they're managing.
I can't help feeling like this game is playing out the way that the Ravens would like it to, though.
The Pats just aren't as scary in the Red Zone without Gronk, and the running game hasn't done as much damage as it needs to.
Not sure I agree completely. Pats have run well on 1st down. Also, Pats have run a lot of plays. Tiring out the Ravens defense is part of the Pats plan.
Patriots missing:
Love
Chung
Talib
Jones
Kind of a major deal for their defense. Still, they're managing.
I can't help feeling like this game is playing out the way that the Ravens would like it to, though.
The Pats just aren't as scary in the Red Zone without Gronk, and the running game hasn't done as much damage as it needs to.
Not sure I agree completely. Pats have run well on 1st down. Also, Pats have run a lot of plays. Tiring out the Ravens defense is part of the Pats plan.
Running a bunch of plays and only scoring 13 points . . . Ravens will take that any day.
Bernard Pollard has been personally responsible for injuring more patriots than anyone else in the nfl.
It's not happening this year. What's so frustrating is that this team should've been up by AT LEAST 10 halfway through the third.
Without Aquib Talib, this is nothing but the same old crappy defense before he got here. They've completely abandoned the hurry-up, are being shut out this half, can't stop anyone...
Basically, this has turned into an ass-kicking with the blink of an eye
Now it's officially over. I love when the Patriots have a total meltdown. That's what happens when you try to play differently than you normally do. They are the 3rd leading scoring offense in NFL history, but punted three times from the ~35 yd line. They have two of the best game managers ever in Brady / Belichick and they blow it at the end of the 1st half. Wes Welker is supposed to be awesome, but had a huge drop that totally changed the outlook of this game.
And let's talk about all of our pro-bowl defensive players...Great job guys - way to show up!
Never mind. Now it's over.
Now it's officially over. I love when the Patriots have a total meltdown. That's what happens when you try to play differently than you normally do. They are the 3rd leading scoring offense in NFL history, but punted three times from the ~35 yd line. They have two of the best game managers ever in Brady / Belichick and they blow it at the end of the 1st half. Wes Welker is supposed to be awesome, but had a huge drop that totally changed the outlook of this game.
And let's talk about all of our pro-bowl defensive players...Great job guys - way to show up!
Again, the Pats have made mistakes, and the Ravens have made some really big plays.
But look at the list of guys injured. Pats just aren't the same team.
Pats D doesn't force any turnovers.
Brady is missing his top endzone targets.
Opponent has a tough, physical D that doesn't get scared by the big moment.
You have the ingredients for a Pats loss.
Brady's legacy is definitely in tatters compared to where it was going into the Super Bowl in February, 2008.
Three out of four absolutely repugnant losses in the last four years for the Patriots.
Brady's legacy is definitely in tatters compared to where it was going into the Super Bowl in February, 2008.
Is that right? This is the first game Brady has ever lost after leading at the half?
There's that and I think people will look back at his Superbowl wins and realize he was pretty much a game manager in the first and third (and in the second Jake Delhomme went throw for throw with him). In fact, in the first his stats were worse than Dilfer's who is known solely as a game manager. I think people will look back and say, hey any good QB was going to win with those Patriots teams.Brady's legacy is definitely in tatters compared to where it was going into the Super Bowl in February, 2008.
I think the legacy in terms of "best QB ever / better than Joe Montana" is tattered.
Other than that, though, I think he'll still be viewed as one of the best and most successful QBs ever. The "haven't won since Spygate" thing could continue to gain traction, though.
Brady's legacy is definitely in tatters compared to where it was going into the Super Bowl in February, 2008.
I think the legacy in terms of "best QB ever / better than Joe Montana" is tattered.
Other than that, though, I think he'll still be viewed as one of the best and most successful QBs ever. The "haven't won since Spygate" thing could continue to gain traction, though.
What a miserable performance. Utterly disappointing. Questionable playcalling throughout, starting in the first quarter. Brady was off the mark on a lot of his passes, especially the deep ones, Welker had another key drop, Belichick never really going for it. Horrible.another key drop on a throw thrown behind him.
What a miserable performance. Utterly disappointing. Questionable playcalling throughout, starting in the first quarter. Brady was off the mark on a lot of his passes, especially the deep ones, Welker had another key drop, Belichick never really going for it. Horrible.another key drop on a throw thrown behind him.
What a miserable performance. Utterly disappointing. Questionable playcalling throughout, starting in the first quarter. Brady was off the mark on a lot of his passes, especially the deep ones, Welker had another key drop, Belichick never really going for it. Horrible.another key drop on a throw thrown behind him.
Not sure what you're thinking of, but the key drop for Welker was right on his chest, between his hands. Just a bad drop.
Pretty huge drop by Vereen in the 4th, too.
What a miserable performance. Utterly disappointing. Questionable playcalling throughout, starting in the first quarter. Brady was off the mark on a lot of his passes, especially the deep ones, Welker had another key drop, Belichick never really going for it. Horrible.another key drop on a throw thrown behind him.
Not sure what you're thinking of, but the key drop for Welker was right on his chest, between his hands. Just a bad drop.
Pretty huge drop by Vereen in the 4th, too.
On the Pats first offensive series in the second half, Welker was wide open and he dropped that pass that was slightly high but hit him right in the hands...that might've been the biggest drop in the game
The drops weren't why you guys lost. You lost bc you were thoroughly dominated in the second half. It was a team loss. Welker dropped some balls but the defense couldn't get off the field. Baltimore went to another level intensity wise and New England couldn't match it. It's obvious that the ray Lewis situation has this team playing its most inspired ball in years.
There's that and I think people will look back at his Superbowl wins and realize he was pretty much a game manager in the first and third (and in the second Jake Delhomme went throw for throw with him). In fact, in the first his stats were worse than Dilfer's who is known solely as a game manager. I think people will look back and say, hey any good QB was going to win with those Patriots teams.Brady's legacy is definitely in tatters compared to where it was going into the Super Bowl in February, 2008.
I think the legacy in terms of "best QB ever / better than Joe Montana" is tattered.
Other than that, though, I think he'll still be viewed as one of the best and most successful QBs ever. The "haven't won since Spygate" thing could continue to gain traction, though.
I was thinking of the one on 3rd down in the second half, that was behind him and high. It hit him on the hands, but it wasn't a good throw. Neither was the Vereen throw. That was too low and too fast for that play. Certainly they both could have and should have been caught, but they weren't good throws.What a miserable performance. Utterly disappointing. Questionable playcalling throughout, starting in the first quarter. Brady was off the mark on a lot of his passes, especially the deep ones, Welker had another key drop, Belichick never really going for it. Horrible.another key drop on a throw thrown behind him.
Not sure what you're thinking of, but the key drop for Welker was right on his chest, between his hands. Just a bad drop.
Pretty huge drop by Vereen in the 4th, too.