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Title: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on August 13, 2012, 07:42:53 AM

This thread is dedicated to general discussion of the New England Patriots 2012 Pre-Season and Regular-Season games.


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Should be an exciting year ... can't wait to see how this team shapes up over the pre-season.

 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on August 13, 2012, 07:44:14 AM
I'd personally be fine with having Plaxico as the fourth or fifth option for Brady ... we'll see.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on August 13, 2012, 07:46:55 AM
I'd personally be fine with having Plaxico as the fourth or fifth option for Brady ... we'll see.

I would agree with you if it werent for the baggage, course without the baggage he probably wount be available.

I dunno, I just don't want to invite trouble into the lockeroom.  Though when you think about it, him and gronk together would be very tough to cover around the goal line
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: celtsfan84 on August 13, 2012, 09:03:41 AM
I'd personally be fine with having Plaxico as the fourth or fifth option for Brady ... we'll see.

I would agree with you if it werent for the baggage, course without the baggage he probably wount be available.

I dunno, I just don't want to invite trouble into the lockeroom.  Though when you think about it, him and gronk together would be very tough to cover around the goal line

I don't think a fourth or fifth option is worth any baggage.  Especially a fourth or fifth option with diminished speed and no ability to play special teams.

Aren't the Patriots already one of the best teams in football in the red zone?  How much improvement could Burress possibly bring there?

It wouldn't seem worth hurting the team in other areas - special teams, potential locker room baggage, possibly depth at other positions, losing a guy like Branch or Gaffney, etc... just to bring in a mild red zone upgrade.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on August 13, 2012, 09:13:00 AM
I'd personally be fine with having Plaxico as the fourth or fifth option for Brady ... we'll see.

I would agree with you if it werent for the baggage, course without the baggage he probably wount be available.

I dunno, I just don't want to invite trouble into the lockeroom.  Though when you think about it, him and gronk together would be very tough to cover around the goal line
Thing is, most of the baggage is at Goodwill now, and if anything did come up, then the impact of losing him would be nil ... like Greenberg said, typical Belichick move, lots of upside, no downside.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: celtsfan84 on August 13, 2012, 09:26:52 AM
I'd personally be fine with having Plaxico as the fourth or fifth option for Brady ... we'll see.

I would agree with you if it werent for the baggage, course without the baggage he probably wount be available.

I dunno, I just don't want to invite trouble into the lockeroom.  Though when you think about it, him and gronk together would be very tough to cover around the goal line
Thing is, most of the baggage is at Goodwill now, and if anything did come up, then the impact of losing him would be nil ... like Greenberg said, typical Belichick move, lots of upside, no downside.

That isn't entirely true though.  If Burress makes the team instead of Branch, Stallworth, or Gaffney and then baggage comes up during the season, the impact of losing him would be losing Branch, Stallworth, or Gaffney for nothing.  Branch, Stallworth, and Gaffney probably won't be waiting around at home for Belichick to call back.

Are we even sure he has more left than Branch, Stallworth, or Gaffney at this point?  Or even some young, undrafted, unknown quantity?

There is always an opportunity cost, especially on a team as good as New England.  Only 53 players can make an NFL team, so any player added costs a good player his job.  People said the same about Chad last year, and then we needed him in the Super Bowl, the Giants simply single covered him because he had no speed left.  Burress could be next in the line of Holt, Galloway, and Ochocinco.

However, he is still 6'5 and a great red zone target, which is certainly valuable so I can see the case to be made FOR Plaxico Burress.  However, I think the case AGAINST is just as compelling.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on August 13, 2012, 10:46:14 AM
I'd personally be fine with having Plaxico as the fourth or fifth option for Brady ... we'll see.

I would agree with you if it werent for the baggage, course without the baggage he probably wount be available.

I dunno, I just don't want to invite trouble into the lockeroom. Though when you think about it, him and gronk together would be very tough to cover around the goal line
Thing is, most of the baggage is at Goodwill now, and if anything did come up, then the impact of losing him would be nil ... like Greenberg said, typical Belichick move, lots of upside, no downside.

That isn't entirely true though.  If Burress makes the team instead of Branch, Stallworth, or Gaffney and then baggage comes up during the season, the impact of losing him would be losing Branch, Stallworth, or Gaffney for nothing.  Branch, Stallworth, and Gaffney probably won't be waiting around at home for Belichick to call back.

Are we even sure he has more left than Branch, Stallworth, or Gaffney at this point?  Or even some young, undrafted, unknown quantity?

There is always an opportunity cost, especially on a team as good as New England.  Only 53 players can make an NFL team, so any player added costs a good player his job.  People said the same about Chad last year, and then we needed him in the Super Bowl, the Giants simply single covered him because he had no speed left.  Burress could be next in the line of Holt, Galloway, and Ochocinco.

However, he is still 6'5 and a great red zone target, which is certainly valuable so I can see the case to be made FOR Plaxico Burress.  However, I think the case AGAINST is just as compelling.
Depends what those guys have left, and who's healthy at kickoff of the regular season.

I wouldn't want him at the expense of a Branch or a Gaffney, (if uninjured), but nobody else has shown much interest, so I think he can be had cheaply.

Great role-player to have for the red-zone threat and the long ball, even if just bait to free up Gronk and Wes.

We're plenty deep at that position, but he's just so great at keeping defenses honest.

We'll see where we are in a couple of weeks, but we may not hear anything more about it anyway..
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Chris on August 13, 2012, 11:24:22 AM
I think Plaxico is irrelevant for the most part. 

This team's achiles heal is the offensive line.  And they need to get that in line before worrying about anything else.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Donoghus on August 13, 2012, 11:35:32 AM
I think Plaxico is irrelevant for the most part. 

This team's achiles heal is the offensive line.  And they need to get that in line before worrying about anything else.

Agreed.

I expect the defense to be better this year but the O-Line is my biggest concern and could be the one thing that keeps this team from greatness.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on August 13, 2012, 11:39:51 AM
I think Plaxico is irrelevant for the most part. 

This team's achiles heal is the offensive line.  And they need to get that in line before worrying about anything else.

Agreed.

I expect the defense to be better this year but the O-Line is my biggest concern and could be the one thing that keeps this team from greatness.

I think the line gets much better once Mankins and waters are re-insterted.  I think you will see a dropoff from light to Solder but it won't be huge. 

I think the connoly and koppen combo will work well at center and I hope that Vollmer/Cannon can keep it locked down on right tackle.

But really I would say the interior line is strong and the left tackle position should be slightly above average with the right tackle position hopefully be able to band-aided together
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Chris on August 13, 2012, 11:42:17 AM
I think Plaxico is irrelevant for the most part. 

This team's achiles heal is the offensive line.  And they need to get that in line before worrying about anything else.

Agreed.

I expect the defense to be better this year but the O-Line is my biggest concern and could be the one thing that keeps this team from greatness.

I think the line gets much better once Mankins and waters are re-insterted.  I think you will see a dropoff from light to Solder but it won't be huge. 

I think the connoly and koppen combo will work well at center and I hope that Vollmer/Cannon can keep it locked down on right tackle.

But really I would say the interior line is strong and the left tackle position should be slightly above average with the right tackle position hopefully be able to band-aided together

If Water's does come back I will feel much better about things.  But I am not sure that is a given, even though it seems to be what everyone is assuming. 

Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on August 13, 2012, 11:45:49 AM
I think Plaxico is irrelevant for the most part. 

This team's achiles heal is the offensive line.  And they need to get that in line before worrying about anything else.

Agreed.

I expect the defense to be better this year but the O-Line is my biggest concern and could be the one thing that keeps this team from greatness.

I think the line gets much better once Mankins and waters are re-insterted.  I think you will see a dropoff from light to Solder but it won't be huge. 

I think the connoly and koppen combo will work well at center and I hope that Vollmer/Cannon can keep it locked down on right tackle.

But really I would say the interior line is strong and the left tackle position should be slightly above average with the right tackle position hopefully be able to band-aided together

If Water's does come back I will feel much better about things.  But I am not sure that is a given, even though it seems to be what everyone is assuming.

Agreed on that point,  I do believe though that they are just going to let him come in after the preseason much like he did last year. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Chris on August 13, 2012, 11:49:55 AM
I think Plaxico is irrelevant for the most part. 

This team's achiles heal is the offensive line.  And they need to get that in line before worrying about anything else.

Agreed.

I expect the defense to be better this year but the O-Line is my biggest concern and could be the one thing that keeps this team from greatness.

I think the line gets much better once Mankins and waters are re-insterted.  I think you will see a dropoff from light to Solder but it won't be huge. 

I think the connoly and koppen combo will work well at center and I hope that Vollmer/Cannon can keep it locked down on right tackle.

But really I would say the interior line is strong and the left tackle position should be slightly above average with the right tackle position hopefully be able to band-aided together

If Water's does come back I will feel much better about things.  But I am not sure that is a given, even though it seems to be what everyone is assuming.

Agreed on that point,  I do believe though that they are just going to let him come in after the preseason much like he did last year.

Yeah, I don't think the team would have a problem with it.  I just have seen too many guys just randomly decide to retire in training camp, that I am not going to count on anyone until they are actually on the field in a regular season game. 

I am also concerned with Vollmer staying healthy. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on August 13, 2012, 11:52:53 AM
I think it is a question mark about Waters coming back.
If Mankins and Vollmer can contribute, the Pats O-Line should be okay, but the depth is pretty thin.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Jon on August 13, 2012, 12:08:34 PM
I have a number of thoughts:

1) I don't think Plaxico fits here.  Quite simply, unless there's an injury, I don't see him playing here.  Gronk, Hernandez, Lloyd, and Welker should be in for 85%+ of the team's offensive possessions next season, which leaves one spot for running back or a fifth receiver.  Considering that we'll often have a RB on the field, that leaves very little time for Plaxico.  And I'm not so sure a guy like him can handle so little PT.  Just look what happened with Ochocinco.  I'd rather keep guys like Gaffney and Stallworth who know the system.  They'll be much more likely to fit in and be ready for a larger role when called upon.

2) Offensive line should already be better next game with the return of Mankins.  As long as Vollmer is healthy by the time the season starts, I think we're fine with Solder at LT, Mankins at LG, Vollmer at RT, and then either Koppen at C and Connolly at RG (that's where he started last season before Koppen got hurt) or Connolly at C and either Wendell or Cannon at RG.  Water would obviously be huge, but as long as Vollmer and Mankins are healthy, I think we'll be fine.  Remember, Koppen and Connolly were both starters opening day last year.

3) I don't get the whole fullback thing that McDaniels is doing here.  Besides being a dying position in the NFL, it doesn't seem to make sense to carry any of the guys we have from a talent position.  I think the much better idea, and perhaps what they'll ultimately do, is continue to play Hernandez and perhaps even Gronk, in the backfield in a fullback position.  This does a variety of interesting things.  Not only is it hard for defenses to read, it also is a way that the Pats can carve out more time for 3 receivers will still having someone in the backfield as a blocker.  I also like Gronk as a lead blocker from the backfield with either Ridley or Vereen.  I just don't see how Kettani or Larsen are really going to be an asset when we could keep an extra player someone else and just let the TEs do it. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on August 13, 2012, 12:18:05 PM
3) I don't get the whole fullback thing that McDaniels is doing here.  Besides being a dying position in the NFL, it doesn't seem to make sense to carry any of the guys we have from a talent position.  I think the much better idea, and perhaps what they'll ultimately do, is continue to play Hernandez and perhaps even Gronk, in the backfield in a fullback position.  This does a variety of interesting things.  Not only is it hard for defenses to read, it also is a way that the Pats can carve out more time for 3 receivers will still having someone in the backfield as a blocker.  I also like Gronk as a lead blocker from the backfield with either Ridley or Vereen.  I just don't see how Kettani or Larsen are really going to be an asset when we could keep an extra player someone else and just let the TEs do it.

I agree with you on this. Did Kettani or Larsen get snaps in the preseason game? I think ultimately there will be little FB used, but they are using offseason/preseason to experiment a little....
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on August 17, 2012, 08:23:40 PM
Gaffney was working out with Brady, et al, today ... good sign?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on August 20, 2012, 08:22:38 PM
No Brady tonight?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on August 20, 2012, 09:30:50 PM
No Brady tonight?
Chung got injured tonight ... Welker and Gronk not playing, either, (night off along with Tom). Ally Raisman sitting with Kraft. Like what I'm seeing from the o-line.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on August 20, 2012, 10:19:33 PM
Antone else watching pre-season?!?

Impressed with Mallett, but Nick Foles is lighting it up.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Jon on August 20, 2012, 10:22:08 PM
Antone else watching pre-season?!?

Impressed with Mallett, but Nick Foles is lighting it up.

Yeah.  Mallet looking decent.  Pats special teams have been bad.  I don't know why Bolden is fielding punts. 

Pats essentially are resting every important player on the team: Brady, Lloyd, Gronk, Hernandez, Welker, Mankins, Wilfork, Mayo, and McCourty.  The only really good player they started, Chung, got hurt. 

Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: azzenfrost on August 20, 2012, 10:29:39 PM
I have it on tv for background noise.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Jon on August 20, 2012, 10:30:42 PM
Deion Branch is looking good too.  I thought a week ago that he might actually be beaten out by Stallworth.  But he's looked his usual solid self. 

Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on August 20, 2012, 10:59:21 PM
Deion Branch is looking good too.  I thought a week ago that he might actually be beaten out by Stallworth.  But he's looked his usual solid self.
Yeah, health is the big issue with Deion, I hope he can hang in there and give us something substantial, cuz he's still got some game ... not sure why he decided to play Chung, but I wish he hadn't in an essentially meaningless game.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on August 24, 2012, 08:06:48 PM
Please take Brady OUT of the game ... jeez.  :P ???
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: j804 on August 24, 2012, 08:09:12 PM
Lol Brady stuffed then picked
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on August 24, 2012, 08:39:19 PM
Please end the strike ... that was a terrible spot of the ball, his forward progress was way beyond where they marked the ball.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on August 24, 2012, 08:43:31 PM
If the strength of the team turns out to be defense we have serious problems
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: arambone on August 24, 2012, 11:38:15 PM
Jeff Demps with a big 29 yard run. So freaking exciting.

I was bummed when Pats drafted Vereen over DeMarco Murray last year. Demps is much smaller than Murray, but they have similar style. One or perhaps two cuts and take it to the house.

The potential is incredible, and Demps could make a huge impact this year.

With Vereen getting hurt again, Demps is going to get a chance to shine.

It was awesome to see a scripted play where Demps lined up in the backfield and ran a fly route deep, where Mallet didn't quite hit him.

Demps is a threat to run for a touchdown or receive long bombs every time he is on the field.

I can't wait for Demps' first long bomb receiving touchdown.

Week 2 is my guess.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: arambone on August 24, 2012, 11:39:57 PM
Demps vs Bucs Preseason

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRbZL2UnRIo
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on August 25, 2012, 08:21:09 AM
Demps vs Bucs Preseason

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRbZL2UnRIo

TP, thanks. I hope we see a lot more of that this season.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: the_Bird on August 25, 2012, 09:45:56 AM
I'm hereby proposing "Beep! Beep!" as Jeff Demp's nickname.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on August 27, 2012, 12:47:08 PM
Apparently FB Spencer Larsen was cut from the Pats roster.
So much for the FB experiment...
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on August 27, 2012, 12:48:10 PM
so was stallworth
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on August 27, 2012, 05:32:07 PM
Ventrone cut.   When will he be back?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: crownontherocks on August 27, 2012, 06:15:43 PM
Spencer larsen was put on the IR wasnt cut
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: crownontherocks on August 27, 2012, 06:16:13 PM
The Patriots made a series of moves on Monday to reach the NFL roster limit of 75 players.

The team announced they have released defensive lineman Tim Bulman, wide receiver Jabar Gaffney, wide receiver Donte' Stallworth, defensive back Ross Ventrone and defensive lineman Gerard Warren. In addition, they have placed defensive back Will Allen, safety Josh Barrett and fullback Spencer Larsen on injured reserve.

They also put tight end Jake Ballrd and defensive lineman Myron Pryor on the reserve/physically unable to perform list. And rookie free agent offensive lineman Markus Zusevics was placed on the reserve/non-football injury list. And they also claimed first-year wide receiver Kerry Taylor.

For more on the Patriots, check out weei.com/patriots.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: gotjoker? on August 27, 2012, 10:28:12 PM
New England will travel to Baltimore in week three.

It's always a relief when there's one less star defensive player you'll have to contend with.  However, you know if New England should find a way to win, Suggs will have something to say to the media.



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Baltimore Ravens linebacker Terrell Suggs has been placed on the physically unable to perform list.

That means Suggs will have to miss at least the first six weeks of the season. The move, announced Monday, comes as no surprise because Suggs is recovering from a torn right Achilles, an injury that should keep him sidelined at least into November.

Suggs, the reigning Defensive Player of the Year, had 14 sacks last season.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/nfl/08/27/terrell-suggs.ap/index.html
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Chris on August 30, 2012, 10:11:47 AM
Has anyone else been shocked by Cunningham's transformation into Willie McGinest?  He was a stringbean a couple years ago, who couldn't get on the field, because he couldn't cover as a linebacker, and was too weak to battle on the line...now he is bullrushing from a 3 technique and getting sacks?

I guess its a pretty even playing field with PEDs in the NFL (I really think a LOT of guys use them)...so hopefully this guy can revive his career a bit. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on August 30, 2012, 10:22:42 AM
Has anyone else been shocked by Cunningham's transformation into Willie McGinest?  He was a stringbean a couple years ago, who couldn't get on the field, because he couldn't cover as a linebacker, and was too weak to battle on the line...now he is bullrushing from a 3 technique and getting sacks?


I love it. I thought this guy was a lock to be cut, and now he is a roster lock, IMHO.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: the_Bird on August 30, 2012, 10:44:51 AM
Has anyone else been shocked by Cunningham's transformation into Willie McGinest?  He was a stringbean a couple years ago, who couldn't get on the field, because he couldn't cover as a linebacker, and was too weak to battle on the line...now he is bullrushing from a 3 technique and getting sacks?

I guess its a pretty even playing field with PEDs in the NFL (I really think a LOT of guys use them)...so hopefully this guy can revive his career a bit.

What about Brace, too?  He's looking like he can be a stout anchor for the defensive line.  Another guy that seemed to be on the outide looking in when camp started.  BB's recent drafts are starting to look better and better. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on August 30, 2012, 11:34:42 AM
Has anyone else been shocked by Cunningham's transformation into Willie McGinest?  He was a stringbean a couple years ago, who couldn't get on the field, because he couldn't cover as a linebacker, and was too weak to battle on the line...now he is bullrushing from a 3 technique and getting sacks?

I guess its a pretty even playing field with PEDs in the NFL (I really think a LOT of guys use them)...so hopefully this guy can revive his career a bit.

What about Brace, too?  He's looking like he can be a stout anchor for the defensive line.  Another guy that seemed to be on the outide looking in when camp started.  BB's recent drafts are starting to look better and better.

Yes, I forgot about Brace, thanks for reminding me.
My concerns at this point: (1) O-Line, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Waters comes back and (2) Running Backs -- they just can't seem to stay healthy.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on August 30, 2012, 11:38:02 AM
Has anyone else been shocked by Cunningham's transformation into Willie McGinest?  He was a stringbean a couple years ago, who couldn't get on the field, because he couldn't cover as a linebacker, and was too weak to battle on the line...now he is bullrushing from a 3 technique and getting sacks?

I guess its a pretty even playing field with PEDs in the NFL (I really think a LOT of guys use them)...so hopefully this guy can revive his career a bit.

What about Brace, too?  He's looking like he can be a stout anchor for the defensive line.  Another guy that seemed to be on the outide looking in when camp started.  BB's recent drafts are starting to look better and better.

Yes, I forgot about Brace, thanks for reminding me.
My concerns at this point: (1) O-Line, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Waters comes back and (2) Running Backs -- they just can't seem to stay healthy.

Yup, im still hoping waters comes back and Vollmer will stay healthy.  I think those are the two keys for the O-line this season.

With the RB's I think we should be OK.  Though Vereen is starting to look like another Belichick second round busst
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Chris on August 30, 2012, 11:41:04 AM
Has anyone else been shocked by Cunningham's transformation into Willie McGinest?  He was a stringbean a couple years ago, who couldn't get on the field, because he couldn't cover as a linebacker, and was too weak to battle on the line...now he is bullrushing from a 3 technique and getting sacks?

I guess its a pretty even playing field with PEDs in the NFL (I really think a LOT of guys use them)...so hopefully this guy can revive his career a bit.

What about Brace, too?  He's looking like he can be a stout anchor for the defensive line.  Another guy that seemed to be on the outide looking in when camp started.  BB's recent drafts are starting to look better and better.

Yes, I forgot about Brace, thanks for reminding me.
My concerns at this point: (1) O-Line, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Waters comes back and (2) Running Backs -- they just can't seem to stay healthy.

What RBs are injured?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: the_Bird on August 30, 2012, 11:49:14 AM
Has anyone else been shocked by Cunningham's transformation into Willie McGinest?  He was a stringbean a couple years ago, who couldn't get on the field, because he couldn't cover as a linebacker, and was too weak to battle on the line...now he is bullrushing from a 3 technique and getting sacks?

I guess its a pretty even playing field with PEDs in the NFL (I really think a LOT of guys use them)...so hopefully this guy can revive his career a bit.

What about Brace, too?  He's looking like he can be a stout anchor for the defensive line.  Another guy that seemed to be on the outide looking in when camp started.  BB's recent drafts are starting to look better and better.

Yes, I forgot about Brace, thanks for reminding me.
My concerns at this point: (1) O-Line, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Waters comes back and (2) Running Backs -- they just can't seem to stay healthy.

What RBs are injured?

Vereen got hurt (again) against the Bucs.  Ridley, not sure if his not playing was because he was dinged during practice or because they knew he was the starter and wanted to make sure he didn't GET hurt last night.  Demps seemed to have some kind of injury late last night, although word today was that it's nothing too serious (not an ACL).

With the (re-)emergence of Cunningham and Brace, though, you may not be able to say "another BB 2nd-round bust!" too much longer.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Chris on August 30, 2012, 11:53:17 AM
Has anyone else been shocked by Cunningham's transformation into Willie McGinest?  He was a stringbean a couple years ago, who couldn't get on the field, because he couldn't cover as a linebacker, and was too weak to battle on the line...now he is bullrushing from a 3 technique and getting sacks?

I guess its a pretty even playing field with PEDs in the NFL (I really think a LOT of guys use them)...so hopefully this guy can revive his career a bit.

What about Brace, too?  He's looking like he can be a stout anchor for the defensive line.  Another guy that seemed to be on the outide looking in when camp started.  BB's recent drafts are starting to look better and better.

Yes, I forgot about Brace, thanks for reminding me.
My concerns at this point: (1) O-Line, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Waters comes back and (2) Running Backs -- they just can't seem to stay healthy.

What RBs are injured?

Vereen got hurt (again) against the Bucs.  Ridley, not sure if his not playing was because he was dinged during practice or because they knew he was the starter and wanted to make sure he didn't GET hurt last night.  Demps seemed to have some kind of injury late last night, although word today was that it's nothing too serious (not an ACL).

With the (re-)emergence of Cunningham and Brace, though, you may not be able to say "another BB 2nd-round bust!" too much longer.

Didn't hear about Vereen.  I am pretty sure Ridley was just sitting along with every other starter. 

As far as Brace, while he seems to have made himself into a useful player, he is still a disappointment unless he becomes a starting level player, which I haven't seen from him. 

What is interesting about Cunningham is that I think he could just be a late bloomer, who they knew was a couple year project, because he had to completely change his body.  Now that he is actually built like a lineman, we can see what he really can do.  Although it still seems like he will just be a designated pass rusher.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on August 30, 2012, 12:10:18 PM
Has anyone else been shocked by Cunningham's transformation into Willie McGinest?  He was a stringbean a couple years ago, who couldn't get on the field, because he couldn't cover as a linebacker, and was too weak to battle on the line...now he is bullrushing from a 3 technique and getting sacks?

I guess its a pretty even playing field with PEDs in the NFL (I really think a LOT of guys use them)...so hopefully this guy can revive his career a bit.

What about Brace, too?  He's looking like he can be a stout anchor for the defensive line.  Another guy that seemed to be on the outide looking in when camp started.  BB's recent drafts are starting to look better and better.

Yes, I forgot about Brace, thanks for reminding me.
My concerns at this point: (1) O-Line, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Waters comes back and (2) Running Backs -- they just can't seem to stay healthy.

Yup, im still hoping waters comes back and Vollmer will stay healthy.  I think those are the two keys for the O-line this season.

With the RB's I think we should be OK.  Though Vereen is starting to look like another Belichick second round busst

I think it is still too early to tell on Vereen, but we'll see.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on August 30, 2012, 01:08:05 PM
Has anyone else been shocked by Cunningham's transformation into Willie McGinest?  He was a stringbean a couple years ago, who couldn't get on the field, because he couldn't cover as a linebacker, and was too weak to battle on the line...now he is bullrushing from a 3 technique and getting sacks?

I guess its a pretty even playing field with PEDs in the NFL (I really think a LOT of guys use them)...so hopefully this guy can revive his career a bit.

What about Brace, too?  He's looking like he can be a stout anchor for the defensive line.  Another guy that seemed to be on the outide looking in when camp started.  BB's recent drafts are starting to look better and better.

Yes, I forgot about Brace, thanks for reminding me.
My concerns at this point: (1) O-Line, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Waters comes back and (2) Running Backs -- they just can't seem to stay healthy.

What RBs are injured?

Vereen got hurt (again) against the Bucs.  Ridley, not sure if his not playing was because he was dinged during practice or because they knew he was the starter and wanted to make sure he didn't GET hurt last night.  Demps seemed to have some kind of injury late last night, although word today was that it's nothing too serious (not an ACL).

With the (re-)emergence of Cunningham and Brace, though, you may not be able to say "another BB 2nd-round bust!" too much longer.

Didn't hear about Vereen.  I am pretty sure Ridley was just sitting along with every other starter. 

I should have added that my concerns with RB are also due to the general inexperience.

Woodhead is experienced
Vereen and Ridley are 2nd year players, but Vereen was injured most of last year.
Bolden and Demps are undrafted FAs with no experience.

There's just a lot of question marks about what type of contribution we're going to get from this group.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Chris on August 30, 2012, 01:10:32 PM
Has anyone else been shocked by Cunningham's transformation into Willie McGinest?  He was a stringbean a couple years ago, who couldn't get on the field, because he couldn't cover as a linebacker, and was too weak to battle on the line...now he is bullrushing from a 3 technique and getting sacks?

I guess its a pretty even playing field with PEDs in the NFL (I really think a LOT of guys use them)...so hopefully this guy can revive his career a bit.

What about Brace, too?  He's looking like he can be a stout anchor for the defensive line.  Another guy that seemed to be on the outide looking in when camp started.  BB's recent drafts are starting to look better and better.

Yes, I forgot about Brace, thanks for reminding me.
My concerns at this point: (1) O-Line, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Waters comes back and (2) Running Backs -- they just can't seem to stay healthy.

What RBs are injured?

Vereen got hurt (again) against the Bucs.  Ridley, not sure if his not playing was because he was dinged during practice or because they knew he was the starter and wanted to make sure he didn't GET hurt last night.  Demps seemed to have some kind of injury late last night, although word today was that it's nothing too serious (not an ACL).

With the (re-)emergence of Cunningham and Brace, though, you may not be able to say "another BB 2nd-round bust!" too much longer.

Didn't hear about Vereen.  I am pretty sure Ridley was just sitting along with every other starter. 

I should have added that my concerns with RB are also due to the general inexperience.

Woodhead is experienced
Vereen and Ridley are 2nd year players, but Vereen was injured most of last year.
Bolden and Demps are undrafted FAs with no experience.

There's just a lot of question marks about what type of contribution we're going to get from this group.

Well, for that particular position, youth is good, so it doesn't worry me too much. 

...although I am a bit concerned about the blitz pickup from some of these young guys. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on August 31, 2012, 01:29:56 PM
Pats just released Brian Hoyer and Dan Koppen.  Thanks to Koppen for a great career here in NE
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Chris on August 31, 2012, 01:32:06 PM
Pats just released Brian Hoyer and Dan Koppen.  Thanks to Koppen for a great career here in NE

Interesting.  I was wondering what would happen with Hoyer, since it seemed like Mallet had passed him. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on August 31, 2012, 01:38:40 PM
Pats just released branch too
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Donoghus on August 31, 2012, 01:44:00 PM
Wow.  Figured they'd carry 3 QBs and that Branch was going to make the team after they cut Stallworth & Gaffney.

Bummer about Koppen.  Went to BC with the guy. Makes me feel old that his career might've come to an end.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on August 31, 2012, 01:54:14 PM
Hoyer, Branch, Koppen.
Wow.

I figured at least Hoyer and Branch would make the team. I'm actually most shocked about Branch, actually, as he seemed to always be in the right place at the right time, and with a good rapport between him and Brady....
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Donoghus on August 31, 2012, 01:57:39 PM
Pats seem to be razor thin at the WR position right now.  Even more so when you consider how many of them are considered "pure wideouts".
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Fan from VT on August 31, 2012, 02:05:16 PM
Very surprised about branch. I figured dumping stallworth and gaffney meant branch had beaten them for sure. CANNOT see them going with Lloyd/Welker/Edelman as the only actual receivers in a pass-based attack(Slater-though i love his special teams- and his stone hands do not count). Wonder if there's an in-house or pre-known target replacement, or if Hernandez is actually a WR now.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on August 31, 2012, 02:12:04 PM
Very surprised about branch. I figured dumping stallworth and gaffney meant branch had beaten them for sure. CANNOT see them going with Lloyd/Welker/Edelman as the only actual receivers in a pass-based attack(Slater-though i love his special teams- and his stone hands do not count). Wonder if there's an in-house or pre-known target replacement, or if Hernandez is actually a WR now.

I think you have to consider Hernandez as a WR.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Chris on August 31, 2012, 02:15:58 PM
The reciever thing is interesting.  I would not be surprised if at least one of those guys is back, as soon as week 1.

I really don't have a good grasp on the roster and cap rules for the NFL, but I bet there are some cap implications they are working around...and perhaps also delaying cutting one of the young guys until a point when they think they can more easily slip him to the practice squad.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on August 31, 2012, 02:20:36 PM
So WR's the pats cut this year

Ochocinco
Deion Branch
Anthony Gonzalez
Jabar Gaffney
Donte Stallworth

quite the crew
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Jon on August 31, 2012, 02:21:01 PM
Shocking, especially the Branch move.  Does this meant they try to bring back Gaffney or Stallworth at a reduced price?  It seems odd to cut all 3 of them, especially since Lloyd is really the only legit outside WR on a team that dominates the middle of the field.  If Lloyd goes down, someone like Edelman isn't going to be able o fit in with Welker, Gronk, and Henandez in the middle of the field.

Hoyer perplexes me a bit too, unless BB wants to bring someone else in.  I could see him cutting him if he wanted to stash another WR or something, but with Branch cut, I don't see the point.

Koppen I feel badly about since he was so good for so long, but since he only plays center, his value was hurt with a lot of other guys like Wendell able to play center and guard.  This may be a sign that Waters is coming back (it may also not). 

Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Chris on August 31, 2012, 02:21:19 PM
So WR's the pats cut this year

Ochocinco
Deion Branch
Anthony Gonzalez
Jabar Gaffney
Donte Stallworth

quite the crew

Quite the crew 5 years ago.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Donoghus on August 31, 2012, 02:21:33 PM
The reciever thing is interesting.  I would not be surprised if at least one of those guys is back, as soon as week 1.

I really don't have a good grasp on the roster and cap rules for the NFL, but I bet there are some cap implications they are working around...and perhaps also delaying cutting one of the young guys until a point when they think they can more easily slip him to the practice squad.

Yeah, a few writers on Twitter have mentioned the idea that either Branch or Gaffney could be back.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: CDawg834 on August 31, 2012, 02:23:30 PM
Pats just released Brian Hoyer and Dan Koppen.  Thanks to Koppen for a great career here in NE

Interesting.  I was wondering what would happen with Hoyer, since it seemed like Mallet had passed him.

Hoyer was due for $1.9 million this year.  Sounds like they considered Mallett their #2 for this year, and weren't going to pay $1.9 million to their emergency QB.  I'm sure he'll find a spot somewhere.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Chris on August 31, 2012, 02:42:11 PM
Pats just released Brian Hoyer and Dan Koppen.  Thanks to Koppen for a great career here in NE

Interesting.  I was wondering what would happen with Hoyer, since it seemed like Mallet had passed him.

Hoyer was due for $1.9 million this year.  Sounds like they considered Mallett their #2 for this year, and weren't going to pay $1.9 million to their emergency QB.  I'm sure he'll find a spot somewhere.

They also have gone with just 2 QBs a decent amount in the past.  They really only would go with 3, when they were stashing a young guy they were trying to develop (like last year with Mallet). 

This also is a favor to Hoyer, who should be able to get a backup spot somewhere...and may even find a situation where he could play.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on August 31, 2012, 02:44:08 PM
I'm also interested in finding out who gets released from other teams (and in who the Pats might have an interest).
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: the_Bird on August 31, 2012, 05:40:09 PM
So WR's the pats cut this year

Ochocinco
Deion Branch
Anthony Gonzalez
Jabar Gaffney
Donte Stallworth

quite the crew

Quite the crew 5 years ago.

...  still better than any of the receivers in Miami...
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Jon on August 31, 2012, 06:05:19 PM
There is some talk out there that Gaffney or Branch could be back after week one, where contracts wouldn't be guaranteed.  Seems to make more sense with Gaffney, since Branch was already making the minimum salary for someone with his years. 

In some ways, I think this makes sense to cut so many receivers.  When healthy, the Pats are going to have Gronk, Hernandez, Lloyd, and Welker on the field for nearly every possession.  They'd only have room for another receiver when they went to an empty backfield. 

However, I'd like to see someone else who can be an outside receiver if Lloyd went down.  I think Edelman can do a good Welker impression, but if he could really be an outside threat, I think we would've seen it last year when we needed one so desperately. 

I was really hoping Stallworth was going to step up more.  He's very quick and would've been a nice vertical threat backup if Lloyd missed some time. 

On another note, I hope they don't keep Kettani.  There's no point in carrying a fullback.  If McDaniels wants a blocker in the backfield, put one of the TEs back there or a bigger guy from the O or D lines. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Fan from VT on August 31, 2012, 06:54:47 PM
Edelman played QB in college, right? So if Brady and Mallet get injured in the same span, he'd step in for emergency purposes, I'd think.

Wasn't Brian Mitchell the 3rd string qb for most of McNabb's years?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: the_Bird on August 31, 2012, 06:56:38 PM
Edelman played QB in college, right? So if Brady and Mallet get injured in the same span, he'd step in for emergency purposes, I'd think.

Wasn't Brian Mitchell the 3rd string qb for most of McNabb's years?

Edelman hasn't played a lick of QB, even in practice, since college.  I don't think I've even seen him run any trick plays.  Hoyer's cut, I get, he was making too much given that he wasn't any better than Mallett, but they'll bring in a practice squad kid.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Fan from VT on August 31, 2012, 07:54:12 PM
Edelman played QB in college, right? So if Brady and Mallet get injured in the same span, he'd step in for emergency purposes, I'd think.

Wasn't Brian Mitchell the 3rd string qb for most of McNabb's years?

Edelman hasn't played a lick of QB, even in practice, since college.  I don't think I've even seen him run any trick plays.  Hoyer's cut, I get, he was making too much given that he wasn't any better than Mallett, but they'll bring in a practice squad kid.

I'm just saying for game day purposes before anyone is injured I'd guess edelman is #3 on the depth chart.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on September 01, 2012, 10:46:50 AM

However, I'd like to see someone else who can be an outside receiver if Lloyd went down.  I think Edelman can do a good Welker impression, but if he could really be an outside threat, I think we would've seen it last year when we needed one so desperately. 

Maybe Slater?

I'm bummed that Demps is out for the season -- I was really hoping to see him get in some speedy kick returns.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on September 01, 2012, 10:50:39 AM
The reciever thing is interesting.  I would not be surprised if at least one of those guys is back, as soon as week 1.

I really don't have a good grasp on the roster and cap rules for the NFL, but I bet there are some cap implications they are working around...and perhaps also delaying cutting one of the young guys until a point when they think they can more easily slip him to the practice squad.

Yeah, a few writers on Twitter have mentioned the idea that either Branch or Gaffney could be back.

Branch -- I could see him not being signed anywhere, and then being brought back to the Patriots in week X if there is an injury to the Patriots WR corps. He could basically step right back in.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Donoghus on September 01, 2012, 11:09:25 AM
Bummed out about Demps going on IR.  Was really looking forward to him returning kicks this year.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on September 01, 2012, 05:36:12 PM
Pats release Bobby Carpenter (which comes as a surprise) and trade for WR Greg Salas from the Rams. Clearly, Josh McDaniels sees something in him that the Rams do not.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on September 01, 2012, 05:53:44 PM
Pats release Bobby Carpenter (which comes as a surprise) and trade for WR Greg Salas from the Rams. Clearly, Josh McDaniels sees something in him that the Rams do not.

Impossible to predict what they will do next.   All you can do is believe.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on September 01, 2012, 07:39:32 PM
Bummed out about Demps going on IR.  Was really looking forward to him returning kicks this year.
Me, too, but I have a feeling it's very temporary ... I think we'll see him before long.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on September 01, 2012, 08:40:39 PM
Bummed out about Demps going on IR.  Was really looking forward to him returning kicks this year.
Me, too, but I have a feeling it's very temporary ... I think we'll see him before long.

Like next year in training camp?
According to Bedard (Globe - knows this stuff well), Demps can't play again this year.

EDIT: Here's Bedard's quote
Quote
•The season is over for RB Jeff Demps, who likely sustained a bruised knee (MCL or PCL) against the Giants. He'll get to redshirt and get ready for next season.


•Demps is NOT eligible for the new in-season IR rule. To be eligible, the player has to be on the 53-man roster Friday night and then moved to IR after 4 p.m. on Tuesday. TE Visanthe Shiancoe would be a prime candidate. That would open up another roster spot.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2012/08/some_thoughts_o_2.html
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on September 01, 2012, 09:00:36 PM
Here's the Patriots practice squad (per http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots
Quote
1. G Thomas Austin (former Patriot who had been claimed by Texans in 2011)

2. FB Eric Kettani (spent 2011 on Patriots practice squad)

3. WR Sam Kirkland (rookie free agent from Kent State who was with Redskins in preseason)

4. OT Matt Kopa (spent 2011 on Patriots practice squad)

5. TE Alex Silvestro (spent 2011 on Patriots practice squad as defensive end)

6. LB Jeff Tarpinian (appeared in 7 games, with 1 start, for Patriots last season)

7. DB Malcolm Williams (2011 seventh-round draft choice of Patriots; 5 games played in 2011; also practice squad)

I don't know anything about Kirkland (was surprised our 7th round pick Ebert wasn't signed to the practice squad), but other than that, this is a solid squad.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on September 01, 2012, 09:05:53 PM
Bummed out about Demps going on IR.  Was really looking forward to him returning kicks this year.
Me, too, but I have a feeling it's very temporary ... I think we'll see him before long.

Like next year in training camp?
According to Bedard (Globe - knows this stuff well), Demps can't play again this year.

EDIT: Here's Bedard's quote
Quote
•The season is over for RB Jeff Demps, who likely sustained a bruised knee (MCL or PCL) against the Giants. He'll get to redshirt and get ready for next season.


•Demps is NOT eligible for the new in-season IR rule. To be eligible, the player has to be on the 53-man roster Friday night and then moved to IR after 4 p.m. on Tuesday. TE Visanthe Shiancoe would be a prime candidate. That would open up another roster spot.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2012/08/some_thoughts_o_2.html
I hadn't heard this. TP for the update, tho.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 03, 2012, 01:53:32 PM
Hightower has changed his jersey Number to #54, the number previously worn by Brian Waters.  I think this combined with the pats bringing in tenant should spell the end for waters.

Very dissapointing
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on September 03, 2012, 04:24:46 PM
Hightower has changed his jersey Number to #54, the number previously worn by Brian Waters.  I think this combined with the pats bringing in tenant should spell the end for waters.

Very dissapointing

Yep. Hopefully BB knew this all along, and it was part of a clever ploy to get some of the teams we play in the early part of the season waste time watching old tape of Waters....
 :-\
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Jon on September 03, 2012, 04:45:54 PM
Hightower has changed his jersey Number to #54, the number previously worn by Brian Waters.  I think this combined with the pats bringing in tenant should spell the end for waters.

Very dissapointing

Yep. Hopefully BB knew this all along, and it was part of a clever ploy to get some of the teams we play in the early part of the season waste time watching old tape of Waters....
 :-\

I agree disappointing.  However, this is looking more like a holdout than a retirement right now (if he retired, this would just be over).  So maybe we'll see him come in later in the season. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 03, 2012, 05:49:17 PM
Edelman played QB in college, right? So if Brady and Mallet get injured in the same span, he'd step in for emergency purposes, I'd think.

Wasn't Brian Mitchell the 3rd string qb for most of McNabb's years?

Edelman hasn't played a lick of QB, even in practice, since college.  I don't think I've even seen him run any trick plays.  Hoyer's cut, I get, he was making too much given that he wasn't any better than Mallett, but they'll bring in a practice squad kid.
Belichek is a nut. I guarantee if he really needed a QB fast he wouldn't take some practice squad reject kid. He'd have Doug Flutie and Vinny Testaverde on speed dial and maybe Vince Young or something. But not Farve. He wants to win
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Jon on September 03, 2012, 06:23:59 PM
Edelman played QB in college, right? So if Brady and Mallet get injured in the same span, he'd step in for emergency purposes, I'd think.

Wasn't Brian Mitchell the 3rd string qb for most of McNabb's years?

Edelman hasn't played a lick of QB, even in practice, since college.  I don't think I've even seen him run any trick plays.  Hoyer's cut, I get, he was making too much given that he wasn't any better than Mallett, but they'll bring in a practice squad kid.
Belichek is a nut. I guarantee if he really needed a QB fast he wouldn't take some practice squad reject kid. He'd have Doug Flutie and Vinny Testaverde on speed dial and maybe Vince Young or something. But not Farve. He wants to win

Well, Edelman would probably get it by default if Brady and Mallet went down in succession.  However, they likely would get someone else. 

And regardless of that, on one of Mike Reiss's chats one day, he hinted at the fact that the Pats do practice trick plays for Edelman.  Since reporters aren't allowed to directly report, he somewhat backhandedly implied it, by saying (and I'm paraphrasing) that he wouldn't be surprised to see them run a trick play with Edelman throwing it based on what he's seen. 

And given that Edelman has moved up the depth chart a bit on the WR scale, I could see them trying a throw or two for him this year. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on September 03, 2012, 08:57:17 PM
ESPN predictions: http://espn.go.com/nfl/preview12/story/_/id/8295463/espn-experts-nfl-predictions-2012

The experts are very bullish on Green Bay as SB winner, with NE as a distant second.

Out of the AFC, they like NE the best, with Ravens and Texans also in the mix.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on September 12, 2012, 09:55:53 AM
I'm happy that Ridley had a good game against the Titans, but couldn't help to notice that BJGE had a nice game this past week as well.

I hope he does well, but I hope we don't miss him too much... if that makes sense :)
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 12, 2012, 10:16:37 AM
Pretty crazy article in the herald yesterday saying that Mankins played in the superbowl with a Torn MCL in his Right Knee and a torn ACL in his Left knee.

Mankins apparently tore his ACL week 1 against the dolphins and played the whole season
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Boris Badenov on September 12, 2012, 03:45:39 PM
ESPN predictions: http://espn.go.com/nfl/preview12/story/_/id/8295463/espn-experts-nfl-predictions-2012

The experts are very bullish on Green Bay as SB winner, with NE as a distant second.

Out of the AFC, they like NE the best, with Ravens and Texans also in the mix.

I wonder how they feel after week 1...

Two votes for Chandler Jones as Defensive ROY!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on September 12, 2012, 03:51:50 PM
ESPN predictions: http://espn.go.com/nfl/preview12/story/_/id/8295463/espn-experts-nfl-predictions-2012

The experts are very bullish on Green Bay as SB winner, with NE as a distant second.

Out of the AFC, they like NE the best, with Ravens and Texans also in the mix.

I wonder how they feel after week 1...

Two votes for Chandler Jones as Defensive ROY!

I know folks in SF who are looking at the ESPN predictions and saying "How 'bout them apples!"
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on September 12, 2012, 06:03:16 PM
I'm happy that Ridley had a good game against the Titans, but couldn't help to notice that BJGE had a nice game this past week as well.

I hope he does well, but I hope we don't miss him too much... if that makes sense :)

When Vareen is back we'll have a trio of Ridley, Vareen and Woodhead with Hernandez providing occasional excitement from the backfield.  Endless options. 

We'll only miss the law firm when someone fumbles.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 16, 2012, 01:54:32 PM
I just saw a Pats DE beat a left tackle to destroy a team's offensive ability two plays in row. I don't think I've seen that since about 2005
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 16, 2012, 01:55:58 PM
Ridley seems sliiiiggghhhtttlly better than the Law Firm, but not enough to compensate from the lost security of knowing the RB won't fumble
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 16, 2012, 02:01:05 PM
I just saw a Pats DE beat a left tackle to destroy a team's offensive ability two plays in row. I don't think I've seen that since about 2005
Haha, chandler jones! Pride of union endicott high school!   #607
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on September 16, 2012, 02:02:50 PM
Ridley seems sliiiiggghhhtttlly better than the Law Firm, but not enough to compensate from the lost security of knowing the RB won't fumble

Too early to tell, but I see Ridley gaining big chunks of yards in ways BJGE couldn't/didn't.  Law firm was a load and reliable in short yardage, and obviously had a vice grip on the ball, but Ridley looks more than slightly better than BJGE to me.  Defenses will have to account/plan for Ridley.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 16, 2012, 02:09:53 PM
Wow. I'm starting to think Tavon Wilson is just charmed
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 16, 2012, 02:17:00 PM
These commentators are guys I can totally live with
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on September 16, 2012, 02:21:25 PM
These commentators are guys I can totally live with

I always liked Dick Stockton.  He was a Celtics television broadcaster way back in the day -- 40 years ago.  Also called for the Red Sox. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 16, 2012, 03:03:33 PM
Waaaiiittt a second. The strength of the team is the defense? And the best player on offense is Ridley? What is going on?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 16, 2012, 03:11:17 PM
The tv coverage is a little different. They used to show replays from every angle, and now they're really deferring to the refs.

Also post ACL Brady is a different QB than pre ACL.  He just doesn't take off any more. You could give him an embossed and sealed invitation and he just won't go
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 16, 2012, 03:12:44 PM
I really a question some of this play calling today
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on September 16, 2012, 03:15:14 PM
Defense must win this one.  Offense is stagnant -- Brady feeling the heat.

Need a big play by the new D.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 16, 2012, 03:18:57 PM
Kolb is keeping plays alive and Brady is ending them. I think we're in the final 2 years of the Brady ride. Next stop is sorta Brett Farveville if Brett hadn't been a total moron.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 16, 2012, 03:22:26 PM
Kolb is keeping plays alive and Brady is ending them. I think we're in the final 2 years of the Brady ride. Next stop is sorta Brett Farveville if Brett hadn't been a total moron.

I don't think Brady has been the problem.  Play calling has been terrible on offense and the blocked punt.  Those are the reasons we are losing
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 16, 2012, 03:22:43 PM
So far this is like one of those arm wrestling match where one guy slowly but surely pulls ahead. At this point the Cards are not afraid at all of the Pats and if they win nobody else will be either. They walked into the Pat's house and took it to em.  They are clearly the victors of the first 3rd quarters.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 16, 2012, 03:24:05 PM
Kolb is keeping plays alive and Brady is ending them. I think we're in the final 2 years of the Brady ride. Next stop is sorta Brett Farveville if Brett hadn't been a total moron.

I don't think Brady has been the problem.  Play calling has been terrible on offense and the blocked punt.  Those are the reasons we are losing
Play calling doesn't explain dropped passes, overthrown balls, the QB holding onto the ball too long, and losing the battle on the line of scrimmage.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on September 16, 2012, 03:26:12 PM
Kolb is keeping plays alive and Brady is ending them. I think we're in the final 2 years of the Brady ride. Next stop is sorta Brett Farveville if Brett hadn't been a total moron.

Kolb has been playing cool and calm all game.  He missed a couple of throws but he has been great under pressure -- hitting a couple guys on the run and throwing the ball away at the correct times.  Outplaying Brady unfrotunately. 
But... I can't agree with your Brady declaration; he's had mediocre games before.  Brady played well last week -- I think I'd need to see a lot more bad Brady before I think he's on the 16th hole.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 16, 2012, 03:27:03 PM
Kolb is keeping plays alive and Brady is ending them. I think we're in the final 2 years of the Brady ride. Next stop is sorta Brett Farveville if Brett hadn't been a total moron.

I don't think Brady has been the problem.  Play calling has been terrible on offense and the blocked punt.  Those are the reasons we are losing
Play calling doesn't explain dropped passes, overthrown balls, the QB holding onto the ball too long, and losing the battle on the line of scrimmage.
. I've only seen maybe 2 overthrown balls, how are the others Brady's fault.  And I just don't. Think Brady has held on to the ball to long.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: mahonedog88 on September 16, 2012, 03:29:05 PM
It's just not happening today.  Can't get any flow to the offense.

And Wes Welker has really not started out this season on a high note...you could put alot of blame on him for that blocked punt considering he let that third down pass slip right through his hands which then led to the punt block on the very next play.

The play calling could definately be better today, the Hernandez loss was big, but this offense even without him should be able to put up more than 9 points through 3 quarters against this team.

But at the same time, you have to give the Cardinals defense bigtime credit, they've played great today.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 16, 2012, 03:30:49 PM
Ya, I think the pats just didn't come ready to play.  Plain and simple, they got caught flat footed to start never got it going
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 16, 2012, 03:31:40 PM
Kolb is keeping plays alive and Brady is ending them. I think we're in the final 2 years of the Brady ride. Next stop is sorta Brett Farveville if Brett hadn't been a total moron.

I don't think Brady has been the problem.  Play calling has been terrible on offense and the blocked punt.  Those are the reasons we are losing
Play calling doesn't explain dropped passes, overthrown balls, the QB holding onto the ball too long, and losing the battle on the line of scrimmage.
. I've only seen maybe 2 overthrown balls, how are the others Brady's fault.  And I just don't. Think Brady has held on to the ball to long.
when there are guys around and behind you and you have several yards of open space and your receivers are all covered tuck the ball and run. ...like Kolb
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 16, 2012, 03:36:06 PM
Kolb is keeping plays alive and Brady is ending them. I think we're in the final 2 years of the Brady ride. Next stop is sorta Brett Farveville if Brett hadn't been a total moron.

I don't think Brady has been the problem.  Play calling has been terrible on offense and the blocked punt.  Those are the reasons we are losing
Play calling doesn't explain dropped passes, overthrown balls, the QB holding onto the ball too long, and losing the battle on the line of scrimmage.
. I've only seen maybe 2 overthrown balls, how are the others Brady's fault.  And I just don't. Think Brady has held on to the ball to long.
when there are guys around and behind you and you have several yards of open space and your receivers are all covered tuck the ball and run. ...like Kolb

No thanks, I'll take a zero yard play on that every single time rather than exposing Brady to a hit.  Every single time.


Also crazy catch by Lloyd
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 16, 2012, 03:38:58 PM
Again, terrible play call.  Terrible!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 16, 2012, 03:39:34 PM
Kolb is keeping plays alive and Brady is ending them. I think we're in the final 2 years of the Brady ride. Next stop is sorta Brett Farveville if Brett hadn't been a total moron.

I don't think Brady has been the problem.  Play calling has been terrible on offense and the blocked punt.  Those are the reasons we are losing
Play calling doesn't explain dropped passes, overthrown balls, the QB holding onto the ball too long, and losing the battle on the line of scrimmage.
. I've only seen maybe 2 overthrown balls, how are the others Brady's fault.  And I just don't. Think Brady has held on to the ball to long.
when there are guys around and behind you and you have several yards of open space and your receivers are all covered tuck the ball and run. ...like Kolb

No thanks, I'll take a zero yard play on that every single time rather than exposing Brady to a hit.  Every single time.


Also crazy catch by Lloyd
Putting a skirt on your leader isn't a good strategy. Actually a skirt would be a pretty big upgrade in that case.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: mahonedog88 on September 16, 2012, 03:39:59 PM
Kolb is keeping plays alive and Brady is ending them. I think we're in the final 2 years of the Brady ride. Next stop is sorta Brett Farveville if Brett hadn't been a total moron.

I don't think Brady has been the problem.  Play calling has been terrible on offense and the blocked punt.  Those are the reasons we are losing
Play calling doesn't explain dropped passes, overthrown balls, the QB holding onto the ball too long, and losing the battle on the line of scrimmage.
. I've only seen maybe 2 overthrown balls, how are the others Brady's fault.  And I just don't. Think Brady has held on to the ball to long.
when there are guys around and behind you and you have several yards of open space and your receivers are all covered tuck the ball and run. ...like Kolb

Agreed, thats been a frustrating aspect of Brady's game today.  There seemed to be a number of times where he had the opportunity to run the ball himself for some positive yards and he just wouldn't do it, even when there were times the open field looked wiiide open, still just force it somewhere or throw it away.

And going back to last season, he's been doing it more and more lately.

Could be a hint of age starting to catch up to him.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 16, 2012, 03:42:59 PM
Kolb is keeping plays alive and Brady is ending them. I think we're in the final 2 years of the Brady ride. Next stop is sorta Brett Farveville if Brett hadn't been a total moron.

I don't think Brady has been the problem.  Play calling has been terrible on offense and the blocked punt.  Those are the reasons we are losing
Play calling doesn't explain dropped passes, overthrown balls, the QB holding onto the ball too long, and losing the battle on the line of scrimmage.
. I've only seen maybe 2 overthrown balls, how are the others Brady's fault.  And I just don't. Think Brady has held on to the ball to long.
when there are guys around and behind you and you have several yards of open space and your receivers are all covered tuck the ball and run. ...like Kolb

Agreed, thats been a frustrating aspect of Brady's game today.  There seemed to be a number of times where he had the opportunity to run the ball himself for some positive yards and he just wouldn't do it, even when there were times the open field looked wiiide open, still just force it somewhere or throw it away.

And going back to last season, he's been doing it more and more lately.

Could be a hint of age starting to catch up to him.
I'm not saying he can't slide and act like a coward at the end and all, but you don't have to be a coward the entire duration of the play.  If he's going to play that way the whole stuff about the injury and the supermodel and the kids won't go away. In the mean time you have Kolb out there acting like he'd punch his mother in the face for a yard and you see the difference
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 16, 2012, 03:43:07 PM
Kolb is keeping plays alive and Brady is ending them. I think we're in the final 2 years of the Brady ride. Next stop is sorta Brett Farveville if Brett hadn't been a total moron.

I don't think Brady has been the problem.  Play calling has been terrible on offense and the blocked punt.  Those are the reasons we are losing
Play calling doesn't explain dropped passes, overthrown balls, the QB holding onto the ball too long, and losing the battle on the line of scrimmage.
. I've only seen maybe 2 overthrown balls, how are the others Brady's fault.  And I just don't. Think Brady has held on to the ball to long.
when there are guys around and behind you and you have several yards of open space and your receivers are all covered tuck the ball and run. ...like Kolb

No thanks, I'll take a zero yard play on that every single time rather than exposing Brady to a hit.  Every single time.


Also crazy catch by Lloyd
Putting a skirt on your leader isn't a good strategy. Actually a skirt would be a pretty big upgrade in that case.

Putting a bullseye on your franchise player is a far worse strategy
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 16, 2012, 03:46:01 PM
Kolb is keeping plays alive and Brady is ending them. I think we're in the final 2 years of the Brady ride. Next stop is sorta Brett Farveville if Brett hadn't been a total moron.

I don't think Brady has been the problem.  Play calling has been terrible on offense and the blocked punt.  Those are the reasons we are losing
Play calling doesn't explain dropped passes, overthrown balls, the QB holding onto the ball too long, and losing the battle on the line of scrimmage.
. I've only seen maybe 2 overthrown balls, how are the others Brady's fault.  And I just don't. Think Brady has held on to the ball to long.
when there are guys around and behind you and you have several yards of open space and your receivers are all covered tuck the ball and run. ...like Kolb

No thanks, I'll take a zero yard play on that every single time rather than exposing Brady to a hit.  Every single time.


Also crazy catch by Lloyd
Putting a skirt on your leader isn't a good strategy. Actually a skirt would be a pretty big upgrade in that case.

Putting a bullseye on your franchise player is a far worse strategy
Maybe we should try to put him in a straightjacket too so that nothing happens to his arms. Or just put him on the sideline. No. On the sideline you could still get hit by a meteorite. Keep him in the owner's box. Nothing bad could happen to him there......except an assassin. Ok. Just stay at home. Then he won't get hurt. It's football. He's already got a bullseye. He didn't get injured when he took off. He got injured in the pocket.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: dwlefty13 on September 16, 2012, 03:47:24 PM
Now Vince is hurt, tough day at the office
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 16, 2012, 03:47:52 PM
So eja, you are willing to trade 5yards for a season of Ryan mallet?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 16, 2012, 03:49:51 PM
So eja, you are willing to trade 5yards for a season of Ryan mallet?
The way the offensive line is playing I don't think he's safe anywhere so I'd have to say yes.  HEL LO! You play to win the game. You play...to win..the game. You don't play to not get hurt (unless it's the preseason.) You play..to win..the game. They wear pads. They work out. Now go and play like you mean it. Not like Brady is playing. When Kolb comes over to the sideline you don't see Wisenhunt saying "Hey. Why'd you take off like that? What r u thinking? You coulda got hurt. We mighta had to deal with a back up."

In the mean time I saw a QB once take off and get hit so hard that his lung collapsed and he was basically lost for the season and we had to use the backup. That team won the Super Bowl and then two more, so I'm not so worried about losing a 35 year old Qb. I'm really not. I don't think the Colts are worse off right now. It's ok. Everything will work out if you play as hard as you can.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on September 16, 2012, 04:10:17 PM
Good game.  Dumb play not running the ball out to bring clock to 2:00.

DEFENSE
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on September 16, 2012, 04:10:52 PM
Well that's game. Too bad D couldn't hold there.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 16, 2012, 04:12:03 PM
Way too little. Way too late.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on September 16, 2012, 04:15:27 PM
UNBELIEVABLE!!!!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 16, 2012, 04:16:02 PM
Miracle. No matter what it's still a loss to me
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 16, 2012, 04:21:56 PM
Wow. For a whole week the Red Sox aren't the worst team in town.  You could probably call this a team loss. Except the defense. The defense has a right to use derogatory language to the whole rest of the team for the week.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on September 16, 2012, 04:23:01 PM
To be honest, I can't believe the Pats didn't run a couple of plays to get closer.  A 42 yarder isn't a gimme.  A blown miracle -- you don't get too many chances for miracles.  Yuck!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 16, 2012, 04:24:55 PM
I demand an inquiry on everyone involved in this game and the payouts from Vegas. Too many people tried way too hard to lose.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: mahonedog88 on September 16, 2012, 04:25:56 PM
Gostkowski doing his best Billy Cundiff of last year.

Pats didn't deserve to even have a chance to win that game.

But having said that, Gostkowski choked.  When you make 4 field goals throughout the game, including 2 from 50+ yards, and then you have time to set up for the game winning field goal from 42.  When you miss it that badly when the ball was in the middle of the field, that's just nerves.  He buckled under pressure.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 16, 2012, 04:28:35 PM
Is there any doubt whatsoever that Viniateri would have hit that and then been like "Wew. Maybe I shouldn't have worn this blindfold. I mean maybe that was just unnecessary. I think next time I'll just stick myself with this sword at the same time. I think that's sufficient but I don't want to get sloppy"
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: crownsy on September 16, 2012, 04:29:33 PM
Good game for the Defense ruined by an awful, awful offensive game.

defense impressed me for the second week, really only gave up 13 points, since the offense gifted the cardinals the ball on the 2 one time.

And they set the offense up with a chance to win the game that they blew.

That aside, replacement officials cost us that woodhead touchdown, even the fox commentators who had been clearly told to defend the replacement refs, even went after them on it. No way was that a hold.

But, i can't even really get mad about it, because 1) we didn't deserve to win that game due to offensive incompetence. 2) said incompetence missed ANOTHER chance to win on the FG.   
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: crownsy on September 16, 2012, 04:33:38 PM
To be honest, I can't believe the Pats didn't run a couple of plays to get closer.  A 42 yarder isn't a gimme.  A blown miracle -- you don't get too many chances for miracles.  Yuck!

I thought the offensive playcalling was suspect all day.

just off the top of my head:

1) early in the second, on 3 and 7 from the Arizona 34, they run a toss for woodhead. he gets stuffed 5 yards back. Punt

I mean what the hell was that about? You really think danny woodhead on a sweep has a good shot at picking up 7? your essentially conceding a FG at best. Why not spread them out and try to get a first down? or if you insist on running a freaking sweep, run it with ridley.

2) drive before the scoring drive, was like 2nd and 11, they run a draw for woodhead. He gets stuffed. they fail to convert on the 3rd and 10.

3) the end of the game, they run the play for woodhead that incorrectly gets called a hold and brought back, they make a first down at the 25 with 50 seconds left and a time out and they....kneel???

I mean, as you said, why? why not even run 2 off tackle runs and pick up 5-10 yards? you have a timeout. instead you kneel twice and spike it?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Redz on September 16, 2012, 06:14:12 PM
To be honest, I can't believe the Pats didn't run a couple of plays to get closer.  A 42 yarder isn't a gimme.  A blown miracle -- you don't get too many chances for miracles.  Yuck!

Yeh, I was bit surprised too, but maybe Belicek was sppoked after the Cardinals fumble.  Still, that kick from Gozkowski would have missed if it was a point after attempt.  He really shanked that thing.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Evantime34 on September 16, 2012, 08:27:52 PM
Thoughts on the game:
1. Hernandez will be a big loss that hurts the flexibility of our offense.
2. Defense looks much better than it has in recent memory.
3. Running game looks better than it has in a while.
4. Gostowski (sp?) will be fine.
5. Didn't think the Gronk hold was the correct call, Chandler Jones got held much worse than that the entire game.
6. Gronk was interfered with on the two point conversion.
7. Would like to see more screens and draws to slow up the pass rush.
8. Expect Lloyd to start connecting with Brady on deep balls soon (maybe not next week because Baltimore's secondary is legit)
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 16, 2012, 08:29:53 PM
Thoughts on the game:
1. Hernandez will be a big loss that hurts the flexibility of our offense.
2. Defense looks much better than it has in recent memory.
3. Running game looks better than it has in a while.
4. Gostowski (sp?) will be fine.
5. Didn't think the Gronk hold was the correct call, Chandler Jones got held much worse than that the entire game.
6. Gronk was interfered with on the two point conversion.
7. Would like to see more screens and draws to slow up the pass rush.
8. Expect Lloyd to start connecting with Brady on deep balls soon (maybe not next week because Baltimore's secondary is legit)

I agree with all of this and would like to add,

ON THIRD AND SHORT DON'T RUN OUTSIDE!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: mgent on September 16, 2012, 11:19:42 PM
I picked a pretty sweet first Patriots game.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Change on September 16, 2012, 11:47:31 PM
The patriots lost today. You know what that means.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWfbGGZE07M
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: SHAQATTACK on September 17, 2012, 08:47:38 AM
Pats grasp defeat from the clutchs of victory.

Maybe the other teams have finally figured out how to beat the Pats offensive system.  ( pressure the QB)
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on September 17, 2012, 09:24:19 AM
ugh, painful loss.
hopefully it is used as a motivation of sorts for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 17, 2012, 10:21:23 AM
Two interesting notes from yesterdays game.

-Arizona scored 10 of their 20 points on two drives where the moved the ball a combined 9 yards

-10 of the cardinals 13 possessions lasted 5 plays or less
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on September 17, 2012, 10:40:18 AM
Two interesting notes from yesterdays game.

-Arizona scored 10 of their 20 points on two drives where the moved the ball a combined 9 yards

-10 of the cardinals 13 possessions lasted 5 plays or less

First note = Importance of special teams
Second note = Patriots defense appears much improved
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: mahonedog88 on September 17, 2012, 10:54:00 AM
Pats grasp defeat from the clutchs of victory.

Maybe the other teams have finally figured out how to beat the Pats offensive system.  ( pressure the QB)

Oh man, please, no "pressure the QB" talk.  I can't think of a more obvious football gameplan than "pressure the QB"...I'm pretty sure no qb likes to get hit or sacked.  It only took until the Giants in 2007, up until then no teams in the first 6 years of Brady's career obviously never had the idea of "pressure the QB"

Brady has to do better with taking the opportunity to scramble for a few yards, not be Vick or RGIII, but the amount of times he hung onto the ball or threw it away when he had the chance to gain some positive yardage on his own was so frustrating to watch yesterday.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: crownsy on September 17, 2012, 12:25:42 PM
Pats grasp defeat from the clutchs of victory.

Maybe the other teams have finally figured out how to beat the Pats offensive system.  ( pressure the QB)

Oh man, please, no "pressure the QB" talk.  I can't think of a more obvious football gameplan than "pressure the QB"...I'm pretty sure no qb likes to get hit or sacked.  It only took until the Giants in 2007, up until then no teams in the first 6 years of Brady's career obviously never had the idea of "pressure the QB"

Brady has to do better with taking the opportunity to scramble for a few yards, not be Vick or RGIII, but the amount of times he hung onto the ball or threw it away when he had the chance to gain some positive yardage on his own was so frustrating to watch yesterday.

Tp, this a thousand times this.

I am so sick and tired of this on any NFL broadcast. You can gaurentee that no matter what one commentator will say the following or a close variation.

"you know, the key to disrupting (insert QB) is to make him feel presure and get hits and sacks on the QB."

Oh gee, you think? you mean what the defense is trying to do on every play and the offensive line is trying to prevent is key to the defensive gameplan?

Defenses enjoy 6-10 yards lost, a possable turnover, and a loss of down?

oh lordy! thank god for you insightful NFL announcer!

This "gameplan" is on par with these other breaking gameplans from other sports.

1: "you know, if you play great defense and rebound, thats the key to a succesful NBA defense."

2: "you know, if you hit alot of homeruns, that probley a pretty good formula for success."

3: "the key to shutting down a great hitter is to get him out"

4: " The key to denying power play goals is not to commit penilties."

ect, ect.

I am so sick and tired of hearing the weakness of QB's is being sacked. I thought it was getting no pressure and just hoping for the best.  ::)
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: nickagneta on September 17, 2012, 12:40:24 PM
Arizona didn't win that game, the Pats lost it. Poor offensive play calling. Bad special teams. Undisciplined and stupid penalties. Poor execution. Poor decision making and throws on many occasions from Brady. Some really bad drops.

Belichick will love having this game in his pocket to remind this team of how they need to practice and execute to win. In the long run, this might be a good thing for the team.

BTW, the defense is looking awesome and this year's draft class might be the best in a decade.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on September 17, 2012, 01:20:13 PM

BTW, the defense is looking awesome and this year's draft class might be the best in a decade.

Yep. Of course, we're only two games in, but it is looking really good so far.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 18, 2012, 08:07:30 AM
Patriots just signed Kellen Winslow.  Obviously a Hernandez replacement for the time being.  Could be interesting I think.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 18, 2012, 08:10:33 AM
when Hernandez does come back, could you imagine that 3 tight end set?  Pretty cool
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Jon on September 18, 2012, 08:57:50 PM
In addition to Winslow, they also just brought back Branch.

Not a big surprise since they never took down his locker. 

The only surprise for me is that they cut for Salas after trading him. 

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/8396677/report-new-england-patriots-bring-back-veteran-wr-deion-branch
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on September 18, 2012, 09:21:01 PM
Arizona didn't win that game, the Pats lost it. Poor offensive play calling. Bad special teams. Undisciplined and stupid penalties. Poor execution. Poor decision making and throws on many occasions from Brady. Some really bad drops.

Belichick will love having this game in his pocket to remind this team of how they need to practice and execute to win. In the long run, this might be a good thing for the team.

BTW, the defense is looking awesome and this year's draft class might be the best in a decade.
Yeah, exactly ... I told someone today that I wcs encouraged from that game and they looked at me like I had lobsters coming out of my ears.

They beat themselves Sunday, and gave Bill a clear picture why and how to correct it.

These kind of games are as necessary as almost any others, and I'm glad it came early in the season.

I'm loving this team, especially the defense and the improved running game ... Brady and the passing game will get into sync shortly, and the loose ends will be polished off without much trouble.

Barring any more critical injuries, I think the Pats are definitely one of the teams to beat in the East, if not the team.

Really happy about Branch and Winslow as well ... those threats should help Gronk's catches and the resurgence of Welker, as well as Lloyd's rising Patriots career.

Feeling great about this team ... the strangest thing about that game was Gostowki's miss, which seemed like a head thing, but I don't think it will be a chronic concern.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 20, 2012, 11:13:02 AM
I did not realize Ridley is 5th in the league in rushing yards and 10th in yards per attempt. Kinda makes the loss more frustrating actually
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 20, 2012, 11:16:23 AM
I did not realize Ridley is 5th in the league in rushing yards and 10th in yards per attempt. Kinda makes the loss more frustrating actually

The thing I can't get over is.  On 3rd and however many yards on more than one occasion they called runs behind Donald Thomas and Cannon/Vollmer

Instead of behind Solder, Mankins and Gronk.

Even if the cardinals were ready for a run to that side I would take my chances behind those 3
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: CelticG1 on September 20, 2012, 11:19:58 AM
Speaking of Riley why were they shying away from him down the stretch in favor of woodhead? The fumble thing? Woodhead has fumbled too and he's been pretty terrible so far.

Also what did the Cards coach say about BB? I heard something about it on the radio this morning.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Chris on September 20, 2012, 11:22:14 AM
Speaking of Riley why were they shying away from him down the stretch in favor of woodhead? The fumble thing? Woodhead has fumbled too and he's been pretty terrible so far.

Also what did the Cards coach say about BB? I heard something about it on the radio this morning.

I am pretty sure it was blitz pickup.  They were trying to pick up the pace, and so they went with essentially the third down group down the stretch.  I think a lot of those runs were checks from Brady against blitzes.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 20, 2012, 11:22:47 AM
Speaking of Riley why were they shying away from him down the stretch in favor of woodhead? The fumble thing? Woodhead has fumbled too and he's been pretty terrible so far.

Also what did the Cards coach say about BB? I heard something about it on the radio this morning.

I assume they went with woodhead because he is better catching the ball and more familiar with the hurry up.

Also the cards coach said they the patriots ran the ball when Tom was under center and passed the ball in shotgun.  But when you look at the percentages they ran the ball 59% when brady was under center and threw the ball 83% of the time from the shotgun which I think are fairly normal percentages. 

I think the cards d-coordinator was full of crap.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 20, 2012, 11:30:17 AM
Quote
Now here’s the reality.  Thanks to the new availability of coaches film from the NFL Game Rewind service, which charts plays and allows each of them to be reviewed individually via an All-22 camera angle, Horton’s claim is just.  flat.  wrong.

Hernandez sprained his ankle on the third offensive snap.  (Hardly enough time for Horton to spot any real tendencies.)  After that, the Patriots ran out of shotgun formation 10 times — including the woulda-coulda-shoulda touchdown run from Danny Woodhead that was called back on a Gronk holding penalty.  And the Pats passed when Brady lined up under center 11 times.

That’s 21 plays that directly contradict the tendencies that Horton boasted the Cardinals saw.  Not one or two.  Twenty-one!

We’re not going to try to figure out whether Horton was intentionally lying or whether he was grossly misinformed.  Either way, the comment turns what was a high point of his coaching career quickly into a low point.  (And, yes, I regret taking his words at face value and not checking the game tape sooner.  I could make 50 Francesa-style excuses, but the fact remains that I erroneously trusted that Horton was telling the truth or something reasonably close to it.)


Just now from PFT

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/20/hortons-tell-tale-was-a-tall-tale/
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 20, 2012, 02:40:58 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/20/a-big-weekend-for-the-jones-family/

Pretty awesome article here about the Jones Family.  Im big fans since they went to high school with my girlfriend.

Jon "Bones" Jones is defending his title saturday night in Toronto and then flying down to Baltimore to watch Chandler vs Art on Sunday night.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 23, 2012, 09:13:36 PM
When Gronk and Ray Lewis collide the roids get knocked out of Lewis.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on September 23, 2012, 09:18:23 PM
Incredibly physial game so far.  As announcers keep warning, the physicality  is getting out of hand. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 23, 2012, 09:38:55 PM
I am so tired of watching the Pats run Woodhead up the middle on 3rd and 19.  It's just so stupid
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Roy H. on September 23, 2012, 09:51:32 PM
Pretty sad effort at tackling there.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 23, 2012, 10:00:12 PM
That was a finger tip catch by Branch while he was wide open. Brady just isn't Brady anymore. He is deep into the back 9.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 23, 2012, 10:05:36 PM
Vintage Brady two minute drill, still the best in the biz
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 23, 2012, 10:15:59 PM
Vintage Brady two minute drill, still the best in the biz
Except when he's getting it handed to him by Eli Manning and Kevin Kolb
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 23, 2012, 10:18:53 PM
Vintage Brady two minute drill, still the best in the biz
Except when he's getting it handed to him by Eli Manning and Kevin Kolb

And Sanchez, don't forget Sanchez
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: mahonedog88 on September 23, 2012, 10:27:27 PM
Tonight's showing that this defense maybe still isn't quite where we thought it'd be, especially the secondary.  They just can't stop anything right now, run or pass.

The Ravens O line is really working the Pats D line.  Touchdowns on 3 straight possessions is not a recipe for a win.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 23, 2012, 10:28:34 PM
Vintage Brady two minute drill, still the best in the biz
Except when he's getting it handed to him by Eli Manning and Kevin Kolb

And Sanchez, don't forget Sanchez
How could I forget?  Vintage Brady used to win games with Jermaine Wiggins and Antoine Smith and JR Redmond. Now he has an all star cast and struggles every week
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 23, 2012, 10:36:54 PM
Nice!   Eja, 27 points through 2.5 quarters against Baltimore is struggling?  I would hate to see them excel!  Either way, pumped the pats are back in front!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 23, 2012, 10:40:00 PM
Well I guess if you give him a line with multiple pro bowlers because he doesn't scramble any more and you give him the two best TEs in the game, and you give him an entire cast of decent RBs and you give him the best slot receiver in the game and a good outside threat and another good slot receiver and you give him Bill Belichick and you give him a good defense he can probably get you into the playoffs. I guess you can't say that about a lot of NFL Qbs.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 23, 2012, 10:47:26 PM
Huge play there by mccourty
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 23, 2012, 10:52:11 PM
Thanks to the refs for insuring I won't be in bed before midnight
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 23, 2012, 10:54:31 PM
Ok, I'll admit I that was a good run to the right on third down!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 23, 2012, 10:57:59 PM
Holy crap.  How does Deion have a face left
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 23, 2012, 10:59:33 PM
Holy crap.  How does Deion have a face left
He's tough. He's not afraid to get hit
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 23, 2012, 11:01:12 PM
Holy crap.  How does Deion have a face left
He's tough. He's not afraid to get hit

Well he has also been excellent at self preservation over the years, many runs out of bounds and catches while falling to the ground. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 23, 2012, 11:04:18 PM
Hate to come away with a fg attempt there
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 23, 2012, 11:07:56 PM
Holy crap.  How does Deion have a face left
He's tough. He's not afraid to get hit

Well he has also been excellent at self preservation over the years, many runs out of bounds and catches while falling to the ground.
He goes for every inch
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 23, 2012, 11:10:57 PM
Holy crap.  How does Deion have a face left
He's tough. He's not afraid to get hit

Well he has also been excellent at self preservation over the years, many runs out of bounds and catches while falling to the ground.
He goes for every inch

Kidding?  Even the biggest branch fan admits he avoids contact when possible.....


[dang] mccourty
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: mahonedog88 on September 23, 2012, 11:13:13 PM
McCourty's gotta catch that ball.  That's why you're on the field, to defend and intercept passes.  If you can't catch a pass that goes directly into your hands, get off the field.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 23, 2012, 11:14:18 PM
Wow, biggest play of the game and they don't give it to rice?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 23, 2012, 11:26:22 PM
Another Baltimore drive started by a BS penalty
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 23, 2012, 11:27:16 PM
No hold on that!?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 23, 2012, 11:31:09 PM
And no offensive pass interference there.  ???
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: mahonedog88 on September 23, 2012, 11:32:25 PM
That phantom hold call on McCourty way back at the beginning of this drive may turn out to be HUGE.  The Ravens were about to attempt a 3rd and long, instead new set of downs and a slight momentum shift.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 23, 2012, 11:39:58 PM
This really is such a shame, terrible calls all over tonight
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 23, 2012, 11:40:43 PM
At least it is being showcased on national tv
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Roy H. on September 23, 2012, 11:41:11 PM
This really is such a shame, terrible calls all over tonight

Yeah...  the refs are high school quality.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: mahonedog88 on September 23, 2012, 11:44:18 PM
I have a baaad feeling about how this game is going to end.  It'll be quite ironic and I guess couldn't end really any other way if it does end how I think it will.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 23, 2012, 11:47:11 PM
I have a baaad feeling about how this game is going to end.  It'll be quite ironic and I guess couldn't end really any other way if it does end how I think it will.

Fingers crossed mccourty will hold on to an INT in the next 2 min
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: mahonedog88 on September 23, 2012, 11:47:43 PM
Ok, good test for this defense.  Good way to test just how much better this defense has gotten since last year.  Because if this was last year's defense, I'd fully expect the Ravens to march down the field right now.

Let's hope some progress has been made.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Roy H. on September 23, 2012, 11:50:37 PM
The Ravens seem content to have their rookie kicker try a 50 yard field goal.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Roy H. on September 23, 2012, 11:51:17 PM
Well, that's fitting.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 23, 2012, 11:52:45 PM
Two touchdown drives kick started by phantom calls.  Oh well
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: mahonedog88 on September 23, 2012, 11:53:09 PM
Welp, that's the game.

I still say that holding call changed the game just enough to keep it alive for the Ravens.

But even besides that, tonight showed us that this is still a defense that has alot to work on.  And this is NOT a "big play secondary".  They aren't clutch and really just...not that good.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Roy H. on September 23, 2012, 11:54:46 PM
Man, that was close.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: kozlodoev on September 24, 2012, 12:02:03 AM
Man, that was close.
Close? This was most clearly out.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Roy H. on September 24, 2012, 12:04:20 AM
Man, that was close.
Close? This was most clearly out.

Whichever way the call should have gone, I don't think it was clear cut. 

I've watched the replay a half-dozen times, and I think it was good.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 24, 2012, 12:06:00 AM
Man, that was close.
Close? This was most clearly out.

Whichever way the call should have gone, I don't think it was clear cut. 

I've watched the replay a half-dozen times, and I think it was good.
This.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on September 24, 2012, 12:07:13 AM
LET DA UNIBROW COOK FLACCO OUT CHEA BIG BALLIN AFTER DA REFS TRIED ROBBIN US WOO ADRENALINE PUMPIN I AINT GOIN TO SLEEP FOR BOUT 3 HOURS RAVENS NATION WE OUT CHEA
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: kozlodoev on September 24, 2012, 12:10:27 AM
Man, that was close.
Close? This was most clearly out.

Whichever way the call should have gone, I don't think it was clear cut. 

I've watched the replay a half-dozen times, and I think it was good.
I don't think any part of the ball was between the uprights extended. Some part of the ball may have passed through the extended upright, but that's not enough to score the FG, is it?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on September 24, 2012, 12:14:13 AM
I don't think Boise St would fear the Pats right now.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Roy H. on September 24, 2012, 12:17:42 AM
Man, that was close.
Close? This was most clearly out.

Whichever way the call should have gone, I don't think it was clear cut. 

I've watched the replay a half-dozen times, and I think it was good.
I don't think any part of the ball was between the uprights extended. Some part of the ball may have passed through the extended upright, but that's not enough to score the FG, is it?

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1422535/fg.gif)

I believe this is the NFL rule:

Quote
The entire ball must pass through the vertical plane of the goal, which is the area above the crossbar
and between the uprights or, if above the uprights, between their outside edges.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/2011_Rule_Book.pdf

So, the entire ball has to fit inside the very outside edge of the upright.  I think it did.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: kozlodoev on September 24, 2012, 12:19:34 AM
Unless I'm missing the exact moment it's above the upright, to me at least a quarter of the full width of the ball is outside the edge of the upright.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: ben on September 24, 2012, 12:21:17 AM
well the replay is lame.  Why are there not cameras for this call?  a camera perpendicular to the uprights or a camera shooting straight up the uprights.  It is impossible to tell when the ball is crossing through the uprights from a camera at a 45angle of the endzone, ridiculous.   
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: ben on September 24, 2012, 12:23:01 AM
Unless I'm missing the exact moment it's above the upright, to me at least a quarter of the full width of the ball is outside the edge of the upright.

You are missing the exact moment!  there is no way to tell the exact moment so this replay is useless.  this should be a clear and dry call but the camera angle is messed up
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: kozlodoev on September 24, 2012, 12:23:10 AM
well the replay is lame.  Why are there not cameras for this call?  a camera perpendicular to the uprights or a camera shooting straight up the uprights.  It is impossible to tell when the ball is crossing through the uprights from a camera at a 45angle of the endzone, ridiculous.
It's apparently not reviewable. It seem you can review whether it goes between the uprights, but not whether it goes above (I struggle to think of a case when you won't be sure whether it's gone between the uprights...)
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Roy H. on September 24, 2012, 12:25:16 AM
(I struggle to think of a case when you won't be sure whether it's gone between the uprights...)

Don't dare the replacement refs to prove you wrong.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: kozlodoev on September 24, 2012, 12:26:26 AM
(I struggle to think of a case when you won't be sure whether it's gone between the uprights...)

Don't dare the replacement refs to prove you wrong.
Sadly, they don't really seem to need a dare...  ::)
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: ben on September 24, 2012, 12:27:51 AM
well the replay is lame.  Why are there not cameras for this call?  a camera perpendicular to the uprights or a camera shooting straight up the uprights.  It is impossible to tell when the ball is crossing through the uprights from a camera at a 45angle of the endzone, ridiculous.
It's apparently not reviewable. It seem you can review whether it goes between the uprights, but not whether it goes above (I struggle to think of a case when you won't be sure whether it's gone between the uprights...)

i heard the same thing.  But it should be reviewable.  computers track tennis balls and can tell when a shot is in or out down to millimeters, football should be able to determine a field goal good or bad , its kind of important to know
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: kozlodoev on September 24, 2012, 12:37:12 AM
well the replay is lame.  Why are there not cameras for this call?  a camera perpendicular to the uprights or a camera shooting straight up the uprights.  It is impossible to tell when the ball is crossing through the uprights from a camera at a 45angle of the endzone, ridiculous.
It's apparently not reviewable. It seem you can review whether it goes between the uprights, but not whether it goes above (I struggle to think of a case when you won't be sure whether it's gone between the uprights...)

i heard the same thing.  But it should be reviewable.  computers track tennis balls and can tell when a shot is in or out down to millimeters, football should be able to determine a field goal good or bad , its kind of important to know
Sure -- how bad can a computer be when the alternative is an overmatched high school ref? :P

In any case, that wasn't even the worst call of the evening: phantom offensive interference on Edelman, phantom "holding" call on McCourty, multiple phantom holding calls on Gronk.

Also, I wasn't aware that wrapping a pass rusher with an arm around the neck was a legal play.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: lightspeed5 on September 24, 2012, 12:46:48 AM
belichick grabbed the ref after the game.  ;D

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2012/09/24/belichick-grabs-official/70000976/1


Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on September 24, 2012, 12:49:44 AM
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1422559/belly_medium.gif)

time to cough up dat fine money Billy B rofl
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on September 30, 2012, 03:55:22 PM
What a game ... other than the first possession, the first half was as bad as it could be, and since then the Pats have been just awesome, running the ball, (with two rushers over 100 yards - two receivers, too), and playing huge on defense. Very exciting, but such dichotomy within this game ... amazing comeback by New England.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 30, 2012, 04:24:12 PM
What a game by Brady.  Looked like he had some bellichick cameras inside his helmet the way he was moving in the pocket.  Just all around a great game, some of the best deep balls I've seen from Brady in a long time.  That deep one that grok dropped at the goal line was a bullet!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 04, 2012, 03:46:49 PM
Chandler Jones named the NFL rookie of the month today.  Nice start to what is hopefully a long and great patriots career!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: MJohnnyboy on October 04, 2012, 04:44:26 PM
It's deja vu with the Pats and Jets and their first round draft picks.

2008
Jets pick Vernon Gholston with 6th overall pick.
Patriots pick Jerod Mayo with 10th overall pick.
One has morphed into one of the more prolific linebackers in the league and is a 2X pro bowler.
The other has not played a down in the league since 2010.

2012
Jets pick Quinton Coples with the 16th overall pick.
Patriots pick Chandler Jones with the 24th overall pick.
One already looks like a premier pass rusher in the making and has looked like the early favorite to win Defensive ROY.
The other has hardly done a thing for his team through 4 games.

Gotta give the Pats all the credit for picking two defensive cornerstones in Mayo and Jones. Switch them with the Jets picks, and our defense is flat out PUTRID.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Redz on October 07, 2012, 06:34:36 PM
man the Pats are rolling

it's an awful lot of fun to have a legit running game
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: nickagneta on October 07, 2012, 06:44:07 PM
Great young core doing some great things.

Jones, Wilson, Spikes, Ridley, Woodhead, Gronk, Bolden, Vereen, Solder, Vollmer.


Pats running game is off the hook.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: kozlodoev on October 07, 2012, 06:49:10 PM
Why is it so difficult for Devin McCorty to look at the ball.

 ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on October 07, 2012, 07:20:57 PM
I see Manning face
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Roy H. on October 07, 2012, 07:21:53 PM
Pats should send McGahee a thank you gift basket.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 07, 2012, 07:25:25 PM
As always, tough to close out against Manning. 

Nice running by Bolden -- staying in bounds and picking up tough yards.  What a find!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on October 07, 2012, 07:28:46 PM
Peyton Manning should make another commercial. But at some point don't you say to yourself "Well I don't want to be associated with a loser"?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Roy H. on October 07, 2012, 07:34:01 PM
Peyton Manning should make another commercial. But at some point don't you say to yourself "Well I don't want to be associated with a loser"?

That's why the Denver defense isn't offered endorsements.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on October 07, 2012, 08:09:37 PM
Peyton Manning should make another commercial. But at some point don't you say to yourself "Well I don't want to be associated with a loser"?

That's why the Denver defense isn't offered endorsements.
Waaaaiittt a second. I thought the Denver defense was this great unit that could make Tebow look good.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on October 08, 2012, 04:34:04 AM
Nice win, and nice to be atop the AFC East again (where the Pats belong). :)
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: the_Bird on October 08, 2012, 09:39:52 AM
Why is it so difficult for Devin McCorty to look at the ball.

 ::) ::) ::)

Ty Law was saying in the postgame...  McCourty's looking more and more like a safety.  I know other people have said that, but coming from Ty that carries a little more weight. 

McCourty seems like he's been in pretty good position most of the time, it's just that last instant when he should be looking back for the ball that's been his downfall.  I still think he looks better this year than last, however.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: kozlodoev on October 08, 2012, 10:24:14 AM
Why is it so difficult for Devin McCorty to look at the ball.

 ::) ::) ::)

Ty Law was saying in the postgame...  McCourty's looking more and more like a safety.  I know other people have said that, but coming from Ty that carries a little more weight. 

McCourty seems like he's been in pretty good position most of the time, it's just that last instant when he should be looking back for the ball that's been his downfall.  I still think he looks better this year than last, however.
Well, last year was pretty abysmal, so it's not saying much. But his lack of ability to close the deal in coverage is alarming. The last TD pass, he could have probably disrupted it, for example, but he had no idea where the ball was until the catch was made. Same thing with the pass interference in the end zone.

I remember how in high school the basketball coach made a point to drill it in our heads: when you're guarding your guy off the ball, one eye is on your guy and one eye is on the ball-handler. I understand basketball is not football, but I still see this being the result of bad habits rather than anything else.

I agree that McCourty can do a good safety, since he's got decent speed, and can tackle, but please, for the love of god, find a corner that play coveragre -- this is getting painful to watch.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Donoghus on October 08, 2012, 10:41:51 AM
I cringe everytime the ball is thrown in McCourty's direction now.  Seems to be feast or famine with that guy (moreso, famine).

Used to feel the same way when the ball was thrown at guys like O-T-I-S and Darius Butler. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on October 12, 2012, 03:51:53 PM
I'm excited for this Seahawks game.
Bruce Irvin has been a nice surprise for that team. Pretty much everyone chalked the Bruce Irvin pick up to a bust/reach, but... there he is leading all rookies with sacks (4.5).
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Prof. Clutch on October 14, 2012, 12:14:52 PM
Hey guys, I wanted to share a new weekly Patriots show I've created at work.  It features Chris Price who I think is one of the better Patriots analysts out there.  Check it out and let me know what you think!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV01KdJBspk
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on October 14, 2012, 06:20:04 PM
I expected Pats to do more running plays.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Redz on October 14, 2012, 06:26:45 PM
Oy

Why a pass when on 3rd and 1
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 14, 2012, 06:28:11 PM
Pats wanting to make this a game.  Blow the easy FG at the half and lose easy points just now.  Could be over, but it isn't.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 14, 2012, 06:32:46 PM
Elbow wsn't down but knee might have been.  I'm sure we'll get a good view the commercial.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on October 14, 2012, 06:33:57 PM
Brady interceptions are getting old
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 14, 2012, 06:36:47 PM
Woodhead clutch again today.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: mahonedog88 on October 14, 2012, 06:48:03 PM
This is eerily taking the route of the Baltimore game.  If they blow this thing to THIS offense?...biiig step back.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 14, 2012, 06:55:18 PM
Woodhead MVP today.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Redz on October 14, 2012, 06:55:36 PM
Woodhead clutch again today.

he's been great
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on October 14, 2012, 06:57:17 PM
I hate it when Brady throws it to an O lineman
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Redz on October 14, 2012, 07:05:18 PM
This is eerily taking the route of the Baltimore game.  If they blow this thing to THIS offense?...biiig step back.

oy
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: mahonedog88 on October 14, 2012, 07:09:43 PM
I hate it when Brady throws it to an O lineman

He's had a pretty poor game today.  Big yard stats, but just overall, a bad couple of picks, not 1 but 2 intentional grounding calls and at the absolute worst times.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Kwhit10 on October 14, 2012, 07:11:06 PM
Ouch.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Redz on October 14, 2012, 07:11:20 PM
This is eerily taking the route of the Baltimore game.  If they blow this thing to THIS offense?...biiig step back.

oy

double oy
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: mahonedog88 on October 14, 2012, 07:13:48 PM
And there it is, Baltimore all over again.

The defense deserves criticism, alot...but today, the offense needs just as much. Leaving tons of points on the field with bad penalities, bad clock management, bad redzone turnovers.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Roy H. on October 14, 2012, 07:14:06 PM
The Pats are going to win this game, but they should be embarrassed for giving up that TD. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on October 14, 2012, 07:16:06 PM
The Pats are going to win this game, but they should be embarrassed.
Show me. Till then they're a team that was outplayed all day today...by a team with a sub 6 foot rookie at QB
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on October 14, 2012, 07:16:50 PM
4th and 17. They'll probably run it
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on October 14, 2012, 07:17:43 PM
It's like watching the Red Sox only this team is trying
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Redz on October 14, 2012, 07:19:08 PM
WOW

They really had to do a lot of things wrong to lose that one.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on October 14, 2012, 07:22:11 PM
WOW

They really had to do a lot of things wrong to lose that one.
Yeah, like show up.   

When you lose to the Cardinals and teams coached by Pete Carrol you are a thoroughly mediocre football team
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: mahonedog88 on October 14, 2012, 07:22:27 PM
Wow...they just let a Pete Carroll coached team beat them.

And honestly, something HAS to be done about this secondary.  It's just not working.  This has to be the last straw.  Doing this against Baltimore is one thing, but to blow a 13pt lead against what really is a bad offense...to give up that many big pass plays to a rookie 5'9 QB.

A change is needed.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: thirstyboots18 on October 14, 2012, 07:23:02 PM
I can't believe what is happening.  My husband is ranting and raving in the other room...they are not even showing the end on tv!!!!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: thirstyboots18 on October 14, 2012, 07:24:53 PM
Is it over yet?  CBS has switched to OT Cards/ Buf now.
they have been bouncing back and forth between the games.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Roy H. on October 14, 2012, 07:27:59 PM
Is it over yet?  CBS has switched to OT Cards/ Buf now.
they have been bouncing back and forth between the games.

Yeah, it's done.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: thirstyboots18 on October 14, 2012, 07:33:31 PM
CBS has the worst coverage...I couldnt follow any game!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: nickagneta on October 14, 2012, 08:08:33 PM
When Brady cost the Pats 3 points just before the half because of a stupid throw away(it could have been done without being an obvious throw away), I said to my wife, "If the Pats lose by less than three points, I don't care how great Brady's numbers are, he lost this game with a stupid decision."

I take that all back. He lost this game because of a lot of stupid decisions. He was lucky not to have been picked off 5 times.

Also, Dennard and Wilson look like the only DBs that has half a clue and they are a 7th round rookie and a 2nd round rookie. McCourty, Chung, Arrington, Moore and Gregory all are just plain terrible.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on October 14, 2012, 08:10:54 PM
The Pats are going to win this game, but they should be embarrassed for giving up that TD.
(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/253/627/121620821_crop_650x440.jpg?1315004593)
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on October 14, 2012, 08:14:21 PM
lol at da last few pages Seattle is a tough place to play i kno a lot of yall only pay attention to ya favorite team nd nobody else but Seattle is 4-2 for a reason but da more da pats lose its all gravy so keep spillin feelings in here haha
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Roy H. on October 14, 2012, 08:16:38 PM
lol at da last few pages Seattle is a tough place to play i kno a lot of yall only pay attention to ya favorite team nd nobody else but Seattle is 4-2 for a reason but da more da pats lose its all gravy so keep spillin feelings in here haha

I'm not a Pats fan, and generally root against them.  However, there's no way they should have lost that game in the manner in which they did.

Getting totally burned on a deep pattern like that?  Just totally unacceptable.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: thirstyboots18 on October 14, 2012, 08:23:34 PM
and...I am not a Pat's fan...especially today!  :-\
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on October 14, 2012, 08:29:01 PM
When Brady cost the Pats 3 points just before the half because of a stupid throw away(it could have been done without being an obvious throw away), I said to my wife, "If the Pats lose by less than three points, I don't care how great Brady's numbers are, he lost this game with a stupid decision."

I take that all back. He lost this game because of a lot of stupid decisions. He was lucky not to have been picked off 5 times.

Also, Dennard and Wilson look like the only DBs that has half a clue and they are a 7th round rookie and a 2nd round rookie. McCourty, Chung, Arrington, Moore and Gregory all are just plain terrible.
He was absolutely Manningish...and not Eli Manning.  I mean he wasn't anywhere near as bad as Brett Farve, but he was pretty horrid.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: elcotte on October 14, 2012, 08:29:17 PM
Brady sure didn't play well....never seen him skip so many passes, lose track of time just before the half, force throws into coverage and take grounding plays. McDaniel wasn't any better with his play calling especially with a couple minutes left in the game.
The defense? McCourty must go and should take Arrington with him. Way to many long passes against them. And for Moore not to cover the outside on the last punt is criminal. Bad decisions all around today.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: kozlodoev on October 15, 2012, 09:30:10 AM
The secondary was horrible last year, and picked up where they left off this season. The trick is, they usually get a pass because the offense is so brilliant. Example: even with zero defense yesterday, we were one intentional grounding call away from coming on top.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Chris on October 15, 2012, 09:54:01 AM
lol at da last few pages Seattle is a tough place to play i kno a lot of yall only pay attention to ya favorite team nd nobody else but Seattle is 4-2 for a reason but da more da pats lose its all gravy so keep spillin feelings in here haha

I'm not a Pats fan, and generally root against them.  However, there's no way they should have lost that game in the manner in which they did.

Getting totally burned on a deep pattern like that?  Just totally unacceptable.

This is what they do.  And unfortunately, the other coaches have figured it out.  The book on the Pat's defense has become pretty thick. 

And the problem wasn't that they got "beat".  I don't put that on the Corner.  The problem is that the Safety was nowhere to be seen...which has been a HUGE issue.  The safeties are constantly biting on the wrong patterns (or play action), leaving the deep patterns wide open. 

Combine that with the fact that they seem to be teaching their corners to never play the ball, and it is making it very easy on opposing QBs.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Chris on October 15, 2012, 10:00:47 AM
BTW, I hate the fact that people are pointing to the "intentional grounding".  It was either that or a sack.  And a sack would have killed the clock too, most likely.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: nickagneta on October 15, 2012, 10:14:24 AM
BTW, I hate the fact that people are pointing to the "intentional grounding".  It was either that or a sack.  And a sack would have killed the clock too, most likely.
The one just before half wasnt close to a sack and cost the team a shot at a gimme field goal.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: kozlodoev on October 15, 2012, 10:49:50 AM
BTW, I hate the fact that people are pointing to the "intentional grounding".  It was either that or a sack.  And a sack would have killed the clock too, most likely.
The one just before half wasnt close to a sack and cost the team a shot at a gimme field goal.
Yup. Not to mention how poorly we managed the clock before it.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: elcotte on October 15, 2012, 12:15:03 PM
BTW, I hate the fact that people are pointing to the "intentional grounding".  It was either that or a sack.  And a sack would have killed the clock too, most likely.
The one just before half wasnt close to a sack and cost the team a shot at a gimme field goal.

Not to mention that he had three receivers in the right corner of the endzone....so if he's going to throw it away, it should have been to the right.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 15, 2012, 12:21:55 PM
lol at da last few pages Seattle is a tough place to play i kno a lot of yall only pay attention to ya favorite team nd nobody else but Seattle is 4-2 for a reason but da more da pats lose its all gravy so keep spillin feelings in here haha

I'm not a Pats fan, and generally root against them.  However, there's no way they should have lost that game in the manner in which they did.

Getting totally burned on a deep pattern like that?  Just totally unacceptable.

This is what they do.  And unfortunately, the other coaches have figured it out.  The book on the Pat's defense has become pretty thick. 

And the problem wasn't that they got "beat".  I don't put that on the Corner.  The problem is that the Safety was nowhere to be seen...which has been a HUGE issue.  The safeties are constantly biting on the wrong patterns (or play action), leaving the deep patterns wide open. 

Combine that with the fact that they seem to be teaching their corners to never play the ball, and it is making it very easy on opposing QBs.

I agree, though the two safeties out there were both rookies, not trying to make excuses, but one was a second round pick and the other was an Ohio state rugby player.  The defense is definitely more talented than in years past and they have been making tons of high impact plays.  I think better awareness and recognition on plays like the one to Sydney rice will come in time. 

Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on October 18, 2012, 08:39:24 AM
http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/8517311/have-tom-brady-new-england-patriots-lost-their-fourth-quarter-magic

When I said this about 3 years ago everybody said I was a total moron. They were absolutely right, but this isn't why. Now fiiinnnaallllyyy the "experts" are catching on.
Brady isn't a good QB in high pressure or high stakes scenarios any more. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 19, 2012, 01:15:58 PM
Eja, did you happen to call into Mutt and Merloni on WEEI this week?

http://audio.weei.com/a/64894165/caller-tom-brady-is-done.htm
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on October 19, 2012, 06:11:58 PM
Eja, did you happen to call into Mutt and Merloni on WEEI this week?

http://audio.weei.com/a/64894165/caller-tom-brady-is-done.htm
Wasn't me. People are just starting to catch on to what I said three years ago is all.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 19, 2012, 06:13:18 PM
Eja, did you happen to call into Mutt and Merloni on WEEI this week?

http://audio.weei.com/a/64894165/caller-tom-brady-is-done.htm
Wasn't me. People are just starting to catch on to what I said three years ago is all.

haha I was freaking out in the car.  "Its Eja Its Eja"
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on October 19, 2012, 06:20:43 PM
Eja, did you happen to call into Mutt and Merloni on WEEI this week?

http://audio.weei.com/a/64894165/caller-tom-brady-is-done.htm
Wasn't me. People are just starting to catch on to what I said three years ago is all.

haha I was freaking out in the car.  "Its Eja Its Eja"
I suppose I should listen to this thing. It might be my sports karma twin. More than likely one of you guys that laughed at me three years ago finally came around and just stole my bit
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on October 19, 2012, 07:41:54 PM
Heard it. Didn't agree we stand a better chance with Mallet. If that were the case I think Mallet would be in there because I'm sure BB could trade Brady for something pretty good
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 19, 2012, 08:27:38 PM
Heard it. Didn't agree we stand a better chance with Mallet. If that were the case I think Mallet would be in there because I'm sure BB could trade Brady for something pretty good

What do you think about my boy chandler?  I think he needs to work on endurance cause he seems to fade in the second half of games, but he is definitely making an impact so far
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on October 19, 2012, 08:55:43 PM
Heard it. Didn't agree we stand a better chance with Mallet. If that were the case I think Mallet would be in there because I'm sure BB could trade Brady for something pretty good

What do you think about my boy chandler?  I think he needs to work on endurance cause he seems to fade in the second half of games, but he is definitely making an impact so far
Great rookie
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Prof. Clutch on October 20, 2012, 01:52:06 PM
New episode of my recently created show, "4th & Goal."  Check it out!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4TMj4rXNpk&feature=plcp
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on October 20, 2012, 11:24:54 PM
Questionable for this Sunday:

Wes Welker (ankle)
Rob Gronkowski (hip)
Aaron Hernandez (ankle)
Julian Edelman (hand)
Dont'A Hightower (hamstring)
Patrick Chung (shoulder)


Out for Sunday:

Steve Gregory (knee)
Brandon Bolden (hip)
Tracy White


A lot of talk about the record in relation to how the team is playing, but it just isn't that big of an issue as far as performance is concerned, (always an issue as far as seeding, obviously). In the three losses we are a total of minus-four points. The wins? A total of plus fifty-five.

Are we having trouble putting teams away? I don't really think so ... I think it's more of an issue of those little things that sometimes go your way, and sometimes don't. I also think Bill is just not being aggressive enough in play-calling, and not taking those little chances that he has in the past that can make-or-break a close game.

Like going for it on 4th-down ... if we had done so last week when we had one foot to go, (instead of settling for the field-goal), and one of the best "sneak" QBs in the league, it would have been a win. I could pick out similar such plays in all three losses, but you get the idea.

You have to take chances in life to succeed, and I don't see the coaching staff doing much of that yet this year. It's rather unlike Belichick, and a bit disconcerting in that regard, but at the same time it's probably one of the easiest things to remedy.

In a division like ours, a three-and-three record isn't as much of a problem as it would otherwise seem. All-in-all I think we're in great shape, and in lieu of injuries, a turnaround isn't much of a stretch. A bit out of sync maybe, (especially late in games), but a big rebound is within our grasp.

The defense is a major improvement over last year, and the running game, (at least up to last Sunday), has been extremely encouraging. This team is stacked talent-wise, and I think that's why people are worried. But no matter how talented you are, consistency and cohesiveness still take time.

I think we're almost there.

Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on October 21, 2012, 03:58:46 PM
Just to clarify....I'll take a side here

I want Tebow to go for 2000 yards passing and a thousand rushing today and to lead the Jets to a 100-95 win.

I want Brady to throw ...what...12 TDs and zero INTS and run for like 7 first downs.

None of this will happen
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on October 21, 2012, 04:09:37 PM
Eja, did you happen to call into Mutt and Merloni on WEEI this week?

http://audio.weei.com/a/64894165/caller-tom-brady-is-done.htm
Wasn't me. People are just starting to catch on to what I said three years ago is all.

You want BB to trade Brady, as I recall.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on October 21, 2012, 04:18:39 PM
Eja, did you happen to call into Mutt and Merloni on WEEI this week?

http://audio.weei.com/a/64894165/caller-tom-brady-is-done.htm
Wasn't me. People are just starting to catch on to what I said three years ago is all.

You want BB to trade Brady, as I recall.
no. I want him to shop him around. If everyone overvalues him as much as New England fans we might get something really good in return. I could see someone desperate and dumb out there doing something drastic....like say Snyder trading RG3 for him
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Redz on October 21, 2012, 04:46:31 PM
Those always help!   ;D

Nice 10 second 104 yard drive.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 21, 2012, 04:47:53 PM
McCourty finding a way to contribute!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 21, 2012, 04:51:45 PM
Nice defensive set.     
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 21, 2012, 04:59:02 PM
Perfect pass to gronk right there.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 21, 2012, 05:01:38 PM
Lets get another quick stop and keep is train Rollin!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 21, 2012, 05:07:15 PM
Glad to see Dowling in there.  Will be good to see if he can earn more time on the field.  Arrington continues to get beat.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 21, 2012, 05:08:36 PM
Surprised Lloyd did not hold onto that. Brady on target.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 21, 2012, 05:10:13 PM
Surprised Lloyd did not hold onto that. Brady on target.

Yup, to on target drops now for Lloyd.  Also, two great plays for first downs where Brady moved in the pocket and put the ball on the mark to a TE
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 21, 2012, 05:21:51 PM
Assassins creed 3 looks sick
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Roy H. on October 21, 2012, 05:29:16 PM
Mark Sanchez:  worst starting QB in the NFL?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Redz on October 21, 2012, 05:29:20 PM
You know it's a bad pass when the safety can call a fair catch on an interception.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 21, 2012, 05:33:17 PM
Mark Sanchez:  worst starting QB in the NFL?

Ya, that was pretty brutal.  Not sure where he ranks with Matt cassel or Blaine gabbert though
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 21, 2012, 05:34:22 PM
Mesko is a beast
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 21, 2012, 05:46:03 PM
That was a terrible spot.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on October 21, 2012, 05:50:13 PM
No more injuries please. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on October 21, 2012, 05:53:05 PM
Gosh, this Patriots team is frustrating to watch. The D follows a good play with a penalty or by surrendering a big play, and Tom Brady is looking very human these days.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 21, 2012, 05:53:56 PM
So far the move of mccourty to safety has improved things in the secondary
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on October 21, 2012, 05:56:02 PM
What was the recurring theme from the Patriots after last week's loss? Too many missed opportunities?

Guess they didn't learn.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 21, 2012, 06:11:44 PM
What was the recurring theme from the Patriots after last week's loss? Too many missed opportunities?

Guess they didn't learn.

Well last week they went into the redone twice and came away with nothing,  today they just haven't been able to sustain drives
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on October 21, 2012, 06:16:47 PM
Eja, did you happen to call into Mutt and Merloni on WEEI this week?

http://audio.weei.com/a/64894165/caller-tom-brady-is-done.htm
Wasn't me. People are just starting to catch on to what I said three years ago is all.

You want BB to trade Brady, as I recall.
no. I want him to shop him around. If everyone overvalues him as much as New England fans we might get something really good in return. I could see someone desperate and dumb out there doing something drastic....like say Snyder trading RG3 for him

That's unlikely. A team with a good QB has no incentive to trade the QB. That leaves teams with bad QBs.  So, you're looking at a team like the Jags trading Gabbart and 3 first rounders. I wouldn't do that. It is very difficult to get a high quality QB. You might not like Brady, but I'd take him (and I suspect you'd take him) over most of the QBs in the league.

Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 21, 2012, 06:30:11 PM
The way this season has gone, this will be a fumble
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 21, 2012, 06:32:40 PM
Phew
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 21, 2012, 06:36:36 PM
Glad to see 7 there.  3 would have been a failure
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 21, 2012, 07:03:23 PM
Sanchez making some very nice throws. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 21, 2012, 07:03:51 PM
Yuck.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 21, 2012, 07:05:05 PM
Another gut-check for the Pats.  Let's see if this week is different.  Offense can win this right now. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 21, 2012, 07:10:59 PM
Mystified.

Jets should take this game.  It's up to the D.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 21, 2012, 07:12:20 PM
Mystified.

Jets should take this game.  It's up to the D.

This is turning into a recurring nightmare.  Hopefully the D can save us
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on October 21, 2012, 07:13:34 PM
Wow ... just serving another game up on a platter for the opponent to steal. Hard to believe, and very frustrating.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 21, 2012, 07:15:37 PM
Jets juggernaut just slicing through the Pats.

Unbelievable.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on October 21, 2012, 07:15:43 PM
looks like we could have a tie or go ahead by the Jets leaving Brady about 1 min 15 secs to win or lose. Or maybe OT
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 21, 2012, 07:16:02 PM
Need a stop NOW!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 21, 2012, 07:17:49 PM
So lucky.  Pats now do not deserve this one.

I'm glad we still have to earn it.

Another blown 4th quarter. How many is this? 4?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 21, 2012, 07:19:26 PM
This team is as unlike able as the 09 pats
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Redz on October 21, 2012, 07:19:30 PM
pukey pats
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 21, 2012, 07:19:39 PM
Wow.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Evantime34 on October 21, 2012, 07:19:54 PM
This is the least enjoyable Patriots season I can remember.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on October 21, 2012, 07:20:21 PM
That's totally fair considering McCourty broke one earlier
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Roy H. on October 21, 2012, 07:21:07 PM
Stating the obvious:  the Pats aren't a very good football team right now.

I still think they'll be one of the last two AFC teams standing at the end, though.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 21, 2012, 07:21:55 PM
I knew it could happen again, but I really didn't htink it would.

I am really stunned....again.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on October 21, 2012, 07:22:49 PM
I was thinking OT myself
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Roy H. on October 21, 2012, 07:23:33 PM
No idea why the Jets decided to just run the clock out on 1st and 2nd down.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Roy H. on October 21, 2012, 07:24:28 PM
Haha.  Wow, I hate Sanchez.  The worst possible (non-turnover) outcome.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: MJohnnyboy on October 21, 2012, 07:24:35 PM
[Edited.]

You know what the first thing I thought was when McCourty caught that ball was, "Just don't fumble it Devin. Anything but a fumble."

Edited.  No profanity.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: MJohnnyboy on October 21, 2012, 07:26:50 PM
Hey yall, remember when Tom Brady had some maculinity?! Those were the days!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: MJohnnyboy on October 21, 2012, 07:27:45 PM
Hey yall, remember when Tom Brady had some masculinity?! Those were the days!

Sorry dont know how that happened.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 21, 2012, 07:30:42 PM
Had zero faith in that kick but thank god
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on October 21, 2012, 07:30:57 PM
need some rolaids for the heartburn.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 21, 2012, 07:31:30 PM
Glad for Stephen G. but still horrified that we've been taken to OT and I can't relax with the C's.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on October 21, 2012, 07:31:58 PM
I think this all makes perfect sense
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Quinn on October 21, 2012, 07:32:35 PM
I honestly think the pats don't focus on D because Belicheck believes
his offense is unbeatable
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on October 21, 2012, 07:32:41 PM
I guess this is "welcome to the post oughts in Boston"
The 2000s were fantastic (Celtics, Red Sox, Patriots). The 2010s have been anything but....
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on October 21, 2012, 07:33:24 PM
I honestly think the pats don't focus on D because Belicheck believers his offense is unbeatable

I'd add -- because BB thinks Josh McDaniels is an offensive mastermind. All I gotta say, is, the record speaks for itself, and it ain't pretty.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on October 21, 2012, 07:33:46 PM
Anyway, fingers crossed for something good coming out of the OT.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Roy H. on October 21, 2012, 07:36:47 PM
I guess this is "welcome to the post oughts in Boston"
The 2000s were fantastic (Celtics, Red Sox, Patriots). The 2010s have been anything but....

Not a Bs fan, huh?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on October 21, 2012, 07:40:20 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if it ended in a tie
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on October 21, 2012, 07:41:33 PM
time for our kicker to redeem himself from the blown win earlier in the season...
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on October 21, 2012, 07:42:09 PM
Mark Sanchez:  worst starting QB in the NFL?
I don't think Brady thinks so
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on October 21, 2012, 07:42:23 PM
I guess this is "welcome to the post oughts in Boston"
The 2000s were fantastic (Celtics, Red Sox, Patriots). The 2010s have been anything but....

Not a Bs fan, huh?

Here's my list: Cs, Pats, Red Sox....... a bunch of college teams in different sports..... Bruins.
:)
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on October 21, 2012, 07:42:54 PM
phew!


Can we revert to the "old rules" for this game?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 21, 2012, 07:44:24 PM
Stevie G. coming through today.  How about it defense?  Shut them down and I can feel a little bit good about this.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on October 21, 2012, 07:47:20 PM
The penalties are just killing me. Just killing me.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 21, 2012, 07:48:10 PM
D can't stop them.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Redz on October 21, 2012, 07:50:05 PM
a couple of monster tackles by Ninkovich
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Roy H. on October 21, 2012, 07:50:39 PM
Huge play by the Pats defense there.  That's a fumble.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 21, 2012, 07:51:12 PM
Ahhhhhhhh!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 21, 2012, 07:51:38 PM
Phew, maybe this can get us going.  Hard caught win, this team doesn't like making it easy!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on October 21, 2012, 07:52:12 PM
Despite it going to OT, sort of a satisfying way to win (sacking the QB, the QB fumbles).
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Redz on October 21, 2012, 07:52:46 PM
pretty sure Jim Nantz forgot who won.

Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 21, 2012, 07:53:25 PM
I guess we have to credit Brady for 2 FG drives to tie and win.  Certainly have to credit Gostkowski for 2 clutch kicks.  And Nink came through on that last drive.  But really -- this game was just not encouraging at all.

Now to the C's.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on October 21, 2012, 07:53:36 PM
Wow ... they did not deserve this win, but nice showing by the defense in overtime, and maybe this will spark some late-game changes.

A win is a win is a win.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on October 21, 2012, 07:54:30 PM
Stating the obvious:  the Pats aren't a very good football team right now.

I still think they'll be one of the last two AFC teams standing at the end, though.

I hope they are one of the last two. Houston is the best in the AFC right now. Next tier down is Baltimore, Denver, New England.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 21, 2012, 07:57:03 PM
Soooooo I think gronk and Aaron are both hurting pretty good.  Both are doing solid but neither is the matchup nightmare they should be
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 21, 2012, 08:01:13 PM
Also, ninkovich = vrabel junior?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on October 21, 2012, 08:02:13 PM
Soooooo I think gronk and Aaron are both hurting pretty good.  Both are doing solid but neither is the matchup nightmare they should be

Yeah, I think that's part of the issue.
But I also just generally question Josh McDaniels at this point.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on October 21, 2012, 08:04:46 PM
Ugly wins count. And that one was really really ugly
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 21, 2012, 08:06:33 PM
Soooooo I think gronk and Aaron are both hurting pretty good.  Both are doing solid but neither is the matchup nightmare they should be

Yeah, I think that's part of the issue.
But I also just generally question Josh McDaniels at this point.

Ya, you can tell he really wants to establish the run.  But with mankins out that's tough.   


Anybody else thinks its strange that we are emphasizing the run more but play action passes are down?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 21, 2012, 08:20:51 PM
Also, props to gostowski.  I have been giving him a hard time since Arizona, but this game was lost without him
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Fan from VT on October 21, 2012, 09:17:30 PM
I don't know what they do different in the 4th quarter, but it needs to change. My least favorite sequence was the back to back plays where on 2nd down they did a complicated fake pass to the left then turn around and gun it to welker on the right (for -2 yards), then on 3rd down they do that fake handoff then pass the ball to woodhead who swung around the backfield for another loss.

I mean the offense was definitely not perfect today, but if Lloyd doesn't get the dropsies, the offense looks a lot better; why does a good offense that needs points and has been struggling for points in the 4th suddenly try to get cute? Just do what works! Sucky offenses need to resort to trickery, not good offenses against fairly fast defenses.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on October 21, 2012, 10:16:14 PM
I don't know what they do different in the 4th quarter, but it needs to change. My least favorite sequence was the back to back plays where on 2nd down they did a complicated fake pass to the left then turn around and gun it to welker on the right (for -2 yards), then on 3rd down they do that fake handoff then pass the ball to woodhead who swung around the backfield for another loss.

I mean the offense was definitely not perfect today, but if Lloyd doesn't get the dropsies, the offense looks a lot better; why does a good offense that needs points and has been struggling for points in the 4th suddenly try to get cute? Just do what works! Sucky offenses need to resort to trickery, not good offenses against fairly fast defenses.

I agree. The cutesy stuff has McDaniel s prints all over it. I don't like it. It's not working. Hopefully he's gotten the memo on this.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Redz on October 21, 2012, 10:16:59 PM
Zoltan was their MVP today.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on October 22, 2012, 09:22:51 AM
The way I see it is both teams tried really really hard to lose it and the Jets tried just a teeny tiny bit harder.

I mean Brady was like "Here. I'll throw a last minute sure interception!"  And Antonio Cromartie was like "Oh no you don't! I'm gonna drop it!"

And McCourty was like "Here. I'll fumble this kickoff!"    And then that Jets receiver was like "Oh yeah? Well I'll drop a sure first down so we'll have to hit a field goal"

Both teams really put on a very competitive show on how to give away a game but in the end the Jets just had a little more in that category.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: PhoSita on October 22, 2012, 09:46:04 AM
Zoltan was their MVP today.

Mesko had a great game, but . . .

wait, no, you're right, pretty much only the punter had a great game (and Gostkowski).
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Chris on October 22, 2012, 09:50:26 AM
Zoltan was their MVP today.

I think Zoltan should share that with the guy who kept FAIR CATCHING the ball at the 5 yard line.  Hasn't anyone ever told that guy to let it go inside the 10, and let it bounce into the endzone?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 22, 2012, 09:51:25 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHlubc-kNsY


Thank god we have Tom Brady, thats all I can say.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on October 22, 2012, 09:59:46 AM
Wait a second. You're saying if we had the opportunity to trade Tom for Cam we shouldn't do it?  I thought Cam was this great QB. Last year when Tebow was ripping off like 8 wins in a row and Cam was going like 4-12 all the talk was how great Cam was. 

I don't really see the difference between Cam's discussion there and Tom's after game losses where he just says stuff like "Yeah. We just didn't make the plays. They just executed better than us. They're a good team and they took advantage of what we did wrong".

Both just boring cliche fests. At least Cam got a little creative with the suggestion box.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 22, 2012, 10:01:33 AM
Wait a second. You're saying if we had the opportunity to trade Tom for Cam we shouldn't do it?  I thought Cam was this great QB. Last year when Tebow was ripping off like 8 wins in a row and Cam was going like 4-12 all the talk was how great Cam was. 

I don't really see the difference between Cam's discussion there and Tom's after game losses where he just says stuff like "Yeah. We just didn't make the plays. They just executed better than us. They're a good team and they took advantage of what we did wrong".

Both just boring cliche fests. At least Cam got a little creative with the suggestion box.

First off I never trashed tebow.  I'm a big tebow fan.  Second of all I'd take a guy of high character and a natural leader over somebody like pay to play cam newton. 

And we both know there is a huge difference between what Brady says and what cam said
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on October 22, 2012, 10:04:31 AM
Wait a second. You're saying if we had the opportunity to trade Tom for Cam we shouldn't do it?  I thought Cam was this great QB. Last year when Tebow was ripping off like 8 wins in a row and Cam was going like 4-12 all the talk was how great Cam was. 

I don't really see the difference between Cam's discussion there and Tom's after game losses where he just says stuff like "Yeah. We just didn't make the plays. They just executed better than us. They're a good team and they took advantage of what we did wrong".

Both just boring cliche fests. At least Cam got a little creative with the suggestion box.

First off I never trashed tebow.  I'm a big tebow fan.  Second of all I'd take a guy of high character and a natural leader over somebody like pay to play cam newton. 

And we both know there is a huge difference between what Brady says and what cam said
Nope I don't know that. When it said he threw the team under the bus I was expecting stuff like "My guys are dropping balls. I keep hitting them in the hands and they drop it. The defense can't make a tackle. They can't make any big plays. The kicker can't hit anything over 20 yards"  but it was nothing like that. It was "We need to score more points. We need more balance." 

Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: nickagneta on October 22, 2012, 11:01:18 AM
eja your sense of reality is bordering very closely on trolling when it comes to Brady. There is no way Brady has ever said anything even remotely as passing off the blame to his team mates as Cam Newton did there.

And as for the Cam/Tebow debate. Cam is still a starting QB in this league who has thrown for 5400 yards and 26 TDs in 22 games. Tebow's thrown the ball twice this year and run it 22 times. At this point he's a third or fourth string running back in a specialized wildcat formation. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Donoghus on October 22, 2012, 11:09:31 AM
Cam's given a couple of weird press conferences this season(one after the Giants game was weird too).

He's as physically gifted as any QB in the league but you have to question the kid's mental toughness when things aren't going his way.  This isn't Auburn anymore where you're running the table.  You're playing for a below average team that isn't going anywhere in the short term.

I'm guessing you put Tebow's brain in Newton's body, you'd have a heckuva football player.  Tebow has the drive but not necessarily the football skills while Cam is vice-versa.

Anyways, I still take Brady over either and its not close.  Period.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: MBz on October 22, 2012, 11:56:17 AM
Cam's given a couple of weird press conferences this season(one after the Giants game was weird too).

He's as physically gifted as any QB in the league but you have to question the kid's mental toughness when things aren't going his way.  This isn't Auburn anymore where you're running the table.  You're playing for a below average team that isn't going anywhere in the short term.

I'm guessing you put Tebow's brain in Newton's body, you'd have a heckuva football player.  Tebow has the drive but not necessarily the football skills while Cam is vice-versa.

Anyways, I still take Brady over either and its not close.  Period.

Agreed.  There's 3 guys I'd take over Brady right now.  Brees and Rodgers are 1/2 then the third as much as it hurts me to say it is Eli Manning.  Other than that Brady is still a top 5 QB, has he declined a little? Sure, but he's still our MVP.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on October 22, 2012, 12:10:48 PM
eja your sense of reality is bordering very closely on trolling when it comes to Brady. There is no way Brady has ever said anything even remotely as passing off the blame to his team mates as Cam Newton did there.

And as for the Cam/Tebow debate. Cam is still a starting QB in this league who has thrown for 5400 yards and 26 TDs in 22 games. Tebow's thrown the ball twice this year and run it 22 times. At this point he's a third or fourth string running back in a specialized wildcat formation.
Maybe I need to listen to Cam again. I just heard a lot of frustration.  To me "I can only control what I do" just doesn't sound like throwing his team under the bus. It's probably not something Tom would say but I do think Tom makes statements like "We can't worry about what we can't control" and stuff like that.

So the Panthers are 1-5 and we're still talking about how great Cam is? We want to say he's great but he throws his teammates under the bus and in the mean time there's a different QB who led a team to a playoff win last year from down 1-4 and would never throw his teammates under the bus. So maybe the deal is the Panthers would be a lot better off with a 4th string running back named Tebow at QB than Cam there. They'd probably go down in passing stats but go up in wins stats. I'll take the wins.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: PhoSita on October 22, 2012, 05:31:25 PM
Cam's given a couple of weird press conferences this season(one after the Giants game was weird too).

He's as physically gifted as any QB in the league but you have to question the kid's mental toughness when things aren't going his way.  This isn't Auburn anymore where you're running the table.  You're playing for a below average team that isn't going anywhere in the short term.

I'm guessing you put Tebow's brain in Newton's body, you'd have a heckuva football player.  Tebow has the drive but not necessarily the football skills while Cam is vice-versa.

Anyways, I still take Brady over either and its not close.  Period.

Did you see RGIII's touchdown drive late in the game against the Giants yesterday? 

Maybe not this year, but for the next 3-4 years I'd take RGIII over Newton or Brady.

As John Clayton put it, RGIII isn't just super-talented, as Newton is.  He also has a sunny-positive attitude, which makes a huge difference (Newton, on the other hand, gets visibly down and negative when things go wrong).
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Prof. Clutch on October 26, 2012, 02:02:02 PM
Hey guys.  So I spent some time completely revamping the show.  Please take a look and let me know what you think!  THANKS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QsTUqrWqWE
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Redz on October 28, 2012, 01:11:28 PM
Good to see we've shored up the long coverage  ::)
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 28, 2012, 01:14:09 PM
New week, same story. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: letsgoblue86 on October 28, 2012, 01:21:34 PM
Anyone else reminded of that Family Guy episode where the Pats go to London to play the Silly Nannies?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 28, 2012, 01:32:55 PM
Edelman gutsy or stupid fielding that ball? 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Redz on October 28, 2012, 01:35:08 PM
Edelman gutsy or stupid fielding that ball?

You've got to be a little of both to do that job!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Redz on October 28, 2012, 01:37:53 PM
Gronk looking much more Gronk-like today
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 28, 2012, 02:04:43 PM
Gronk looking much more Gronk-like today

Great drive by Gronk.  Yes -- he does look 100% Gronk-like!.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Redz on October 28, 2012, 02:05:13 PM
Gronk is such a knuckle head  ;D
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 28, 2012, 02:53:09 PM
Now, will they hold on?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 28, 2012, 02:54:52 PM
Now, will they hold on?

If they don't this one is all on Brady!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 28, 2012, 03:04:18 PM
Another ball that should have been a fair catch by Edelman.  I like him and I like his grit, but that is going to end up bad more often than it ends up good.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Redz on October 28, 2012, 03:13:54 PM
Now, will they hold on?

31 should be safe now
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 28, 2012, 03:21:43 PM
What a play by Chandler Jones.  Love that.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 28, 2012, 03:42:56 PM
Gotta think bellichick's dislike for fisher is the reason they are throwing here
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: kozlodoev on November 01, 2012, 05:02:55 PM
Quote
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers announced that they have traded suspended cornerback Aqib Talib to the New England Patriots. The Bucs also threw in a seventh-round selection in next year's draft in exchange for New England's Round 4 choice.

Guess we should have see it coming after they cut Sterling Moore. Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Donoghus on November 01, 2012, 05:13:01 PM
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The Tampa Bay Buccaneers announced that they have traded suspended cornerback Aqib Talib to the New England Patriots. The Bucs also threw in a seventh-round selection in next year's draft in exchange for New England's Round 4 choice.

Guess we should have see it coming after they cut Sterling Moore. Thoughts?

Talib's a certified nutjob but the Pats secondary (especially the CB) are awfully suspect.

When his head is screwed on straight, he's a very solid CB. 

For a 4th?  (I'm pretty much dismissing the 7th in return) I'm kinda "Eh".  The last few chances they've taken in deals like this haven't worked out. 

I guess anything to help the secondary at this point, though.  They're clearly in "win now" mode. 

Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on November 01, 2012, 05:42:04 PM
desperate times call for desperate measures
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on November 02, 2012, 08:41:02 AM

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(http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/NJcSMSciqv8ntuZhoAVr7Q--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD00NDU7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2012-10-28T193553Z_729146395_LR1E8AS1IFINM_RTRMADP_3_NFL.JPG)
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(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/2370453/154881028.0_standard_352.0.jpg)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcme2iw6Zt1qzuh3do1_500.png)

God I love Chandler Jones
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on November 02, 2012, 09:04:24 AM
Also on the Aqib Talib thing, I think Desperate is the right word, but its not necessarily a bad thing.  If the pats think that they are close and this could put them over the top then I would say go for it. 

Also with the way the ocho and haynesworth things worked out most recently im not blindly going to assume coming into this lockerroom will solve Talib's problems.  But if they can get him to lay low off the field for the next 3 months this could work out. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on November 02, 2012, 09:25:12 AM
Risky, for sure. Desperate might be a bit strong.
I suspect Sterling Moore will be back on practice squad, so if things really don't work out with Talib, then Moore will be back with the team.

EDIT: Yep, Moore is back on the practice squad.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on November 11, 2012, 01:30:11 PM
Cunningham is probably one of the (brightest) surprises of the season. I pegged him to be cut/off the roster, but he's been great.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Fan from VT on November 11, 2012, 03:46:59 PM
welker secretly seems to have a couple seasons of increased dropsies.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on November 18, 2012, 12:18:05 AM
Pats cut Deion Branch today to call up George Salas ... not quite in sync with this, though I assume it's just a youth movement thing. ???
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on November 18, 2012, 04:36:56 PM
That first drive by the Colts was much too easy.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 18, 2012, 04:46:37 PM
Thought we'd be able to stop the Colts run game easily.  I guess not.  Now Jones hurt.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 18, 2012, 04:50:08 PM
Defense just looking terrible again.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on November 18, 2012, 05:21:19 PM
So much for the Talib bashing ... and Bill looks like a genius once again. Sweet acquisition at this point ... here's hoping it continues.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Prof. Clutch on November 18, 2012, 05:28:44 PM
Forgot to post the new episode of my Patriots web show "4th & Goal" before the game! Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmbbzwCJqmQ&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on November 18, 2012, 05:51:47 PM
Anyone else tired of the Patriots being bad in the red zone?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on November 18, 2012, 05:55:01 PM
Pats D is definitely making luck move off his spot more than they had in the past few games
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on November 18, 2012, 05:59:27 PM
Pats D is definitely making luck move off his spot more than they had in the past few games

I agree; the D looks a lot more aggressive.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 18, 2012, 06:01:00 PM
Pats D is definitely making luck move off his spot more than they had in the past few games

Good 2nd quarter by the defense.  Nice to see the pressure and nice to see a few solid plays by the secondary.

Real important to score after the half.  Time of possession is 18-12. I'd like to see the D not have to spend most of the 3rd on the field.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 18, 2012, 06:07:27 PM
If they run again on 1st down I think I'll scream.

I guess I take that back.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 18, 2012, 06:08:58 PM
Welker drops another.

Great execution on that 3rd and 11.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: nickagneta on November 18, 2012, 08:09:22 PM
i have been telling anyone who would listen that Alphonso Dennard was going to be a player. He was a late 1st round early 2nd round talent that fell like a rock due to some off field stuff and he has been excellent for a 7th rounder.

That Husker is a player.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Donoghus on November 18, 2012, 09:57:32 PM
PFT reporting that Gronk is gonna be out 4-6 weeks with a broken forearm.

Not good news. Hopefully, Hernandez is close to returning.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on November 18, 2012, 10:28:22 PM
PFT reporting that Gronk is gonna be out 4-6 weeks with a broken forearm.

Not good news. Hopefully, Hernandez is close to returning.

Great W today but costly injuries.
Weaker is gone next year, no question.
Here's hoping for a thorough spanking of the Jets come Thursday.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: RebusRankin on November 18, 2012, 10:50:14 PM
That is brutal about Gronk.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on November 19, 2012, 10:12:03 AM
That is brutal about Gronk.

Ditto. But time for other members of the O to step up. The Pats got all these TEs in the offseason, let's see what some of them can do.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: RyNye on November 19, 2012, 10:18:40 AM
If KG or someone had gotten injured in the 4th quarter of a blow-out game, people here would be ready to storm the Garden to find Doc.

I know football is a different game, and yadda yadda yadda, but I'm just sayin'.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: RyNye on November 19, 2012, 10:20:21 AM
Anyone else tired of the Patriots being bad in the red zone?

You are seriously saying this in a game where they scored 59 points? In a season where we are 4th in the league in red zone scoring?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on November 19, 2012, 10:30:20 AM
Anyone else tired of the Patriots being bad in the red zone?

You are seriously saying this in a game where they scored 59 points? In a season where we are 4th in the league in red zone scoring?

Well to be fair he said it after two straight drives ended in FG attempts.  The floodgates opened after that.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on November 22, 2012, 10:05:27 PM
It might be thanksgiving but it feels like Christmas the way the Pats are playing the Jets.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Redz on November 22, 2012, 10:10:04 PM
It might be thanksgiving but it feels like Christmas the way the Pats are playing the Jets.

I was in the stands when the Pats beat the Jets 56-3 back in Steve Grogan's prime!  Let's see if they can top that tonight.

Few things more enjoyable than beating up the Jets.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on November 22, 2012, 10:24:10 PM


Few things more enjoyable than beating up the Jets.

Ditto, tho Cs over Lakers easily tops that.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Redz on November 22, 2012, 10:40:41 PM


Few things more enjoyable than beating up the Jets.

Ditto, tho Cs over Lakers easily tops that.

Well yeh!

But in football terms...this is it for me
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on November 22, 2012, 11:49:23 PM


Few things more enjoyable than beating up the Jets.

Ditto, tho Cs over Lakers easily tops that.

Well yeh!

But in football terms...this is it for me
The whipped cream on my Thanksgiving Day pie.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on November 23, 2012, 12:09:47 AM
The Patriots scored 108 points in four days ... that's got to be some kind of NFL record, no?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on November 23, 2012, 12:15:52 AM
In the past 4 games, the Patriots have outscored the opposition 190-81.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on November 23, 2012, 09:34:28 AM
Pats at Jets.
Well that was fun!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Redz on November 24, 2012, 04:56:58 PM
Love this!

(http://static03.mediaite.com/sportsgrid/uploads/2012/11/wilforkturkeylegcrop.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Chris on November 26, 2012, 03:04:47 PM
In about the least surprising news of the season, Jermaine Cunningham was suspended for 4 games for violating the PED policy of the NFL.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/11/26/patriots-jermaine-cunningham-suspended-4-games-by-nfl/
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: crownsy on November 26, 2012, 03:10:36 PM
In about the least surprising news of the season, Jermaine Cunningham was suspended for 4 games for violating the PED policy of the NFL.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/11/26/patriots-jermaine-cunningham-suspended-4-games-by-nfl/

Yea, he just went from "out of the league at the end of the year" to "great pass rusher" to fast to be all natural.

I saw both seahawks corners, including sherman of "you mad bro!!" fame to tom are getting 4 game bans for PED's
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on November 26, 2012, 03:43:47 PM
In about the least surprising news of the season, Jermaine Cunningham was suspended for 4 games for violating the PED policy of the NFL.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/11/26/patriots-jermaine-cunningham-suspended-4-games-by-nfl/

Wow. That's a bummer on several levels.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on November 28, 2012, 11:42:38 AM
Twitter Rumor out there now from a guy at NFL films that the patriots put in a claim on Jason Babin
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: MJohnnyboy on November 28, 2012, 11:45:34 AM
Twitter Rumor out there now from a guy at NFL films that the patriots put in a claim on Jason Babin

Source? Not surprising considering how weak they are in the defensive end department at the moment.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on November 28, 2012, 11:47:21 AM
Twitter Rumor out there now from a guy at NFL films that the patriots put in a claim on Jason Babin

Source? Not surprising considering how weak they are in the defensive end department at the moment.

Whoops actually I misread the tweets.  It was a question not a statement.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Prof. Clutch on November 30, 2012, 11:33:05 AM
New episode of 4th & Goal!  I honestly think Chris Price is one of the best Patriots analysts out there!  Hope you guys enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRKD7H5iOOQ&feature=youtu.be&hd=1

Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Chris on November 30, 2012, 11:34:48 AM
Twitter Rumor out there now from a guy at NFL films that the patriots put in a claim on Jason Babin

Source? Not surprising considering how weak they are in the defensive end department at the moment.

I heard 16 teams put in a claim on him. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Donoghus on November 30, 2012, 12:15:15 PM
Twitter Rumor out there now from a guy at NFL films that the patriots put in a claim on Jason Babin

Source? Not surprising considering how weak they are in the defensive end department at the moment.

I heard 16 teams put in a claim on him.

Evidently, the Pats weren't one of them. 

I wonder how much of it was scheme related.  Babin was productive in a system that was different than what the Pats are used to running.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on November 30, 2012, 12:20:10 PM
Twitter Rumor out there now from a guy at NFL films that the patriots put in a claim on Jason Babin

Source? Not surprising considering how weak they are in the defensive end department at the moment.

I heard 16 teams put in a claim on him.

Evidently, the Pats weren't one of them. 

I wonder how much of it was scheme related.  Babin was productive in a system that was different than what the Pats are used to running.

To quote Felger and Mazz "HE DOESNT SET THE EDGE!!!!"

(said while making fun of the patriots for how strict they are on versatile defensive players)
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Redz on December 02, 2012, 03:23:48 PM
I don't think I've ever heard a "Lets Go Patriots" chant before (home or away).
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Redz on December 02, 2012, 03:57:23 PM
Really awesome drive here.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on December 02, 2012, 04:41:24 PM
I love my patriots! Next two games are huge and will be a real challenge! Lets win out and play for home field advantage!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on December 02, 2012, 04:59:23 PM
Encouraging game today.  Defense got a little lucky on a couple of bad coverage plays, but overall the D was average against the pass and good against the run.  I'll take it.  The offene with no Gronk, a still recovering Hernandez and an absolutely desimated line, was good enough and could be great by year end.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on December 02, 2012, 08:18:57 PM
Pats win division, put together a nice game on D, put together a nice long run-oriented drive. A lot to like. Biggest concern going forward is the O-Line, IMHO.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on December 03, 2012, 07:38:10 AM
Tom Brady is the first QB in NFL history to win 10 division titles
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on December 03, 2012, 03:49:50 PM
Congrats to the Pats on their divisional title, and to Tom on his record.

They still have a lot of loose ends to tighten up if they want to go deep into the post-season, but each week seems to bring improvement.

TG for Big Vince and Hernandez yesterday. ;)
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on December 03, 2012, 04:07:35 PM
I'm a little worried about gronk. I know we are supposed to be getting him back in time for the post season but you never know. Id hate for us to not go the distance because of in unhealthy gronk two season in a row.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on December 03, 2012, 04:56:45 PM
I'm a little worried about gronk. I know we are supposed to be getting him back in time for the post season but you never know. Id hate for us to not go the distance because of in unhealthy gronk two season in a row.

Yes but I think with this one, at least his mobility won't be a factor.  But it could definitely hurt his in line blocking
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: kozlodoev on December 03, 2012, 05:11:06 PM
Encouraging game today.  Defense got a little lucky on a couple of bad coverage plays, but overall the D was average against the pass and good against the run.  I'll take it.  The offene with no Gronk, a still recovering Hernandez and an absolutely desimated line, was good enough and could be great by year end.
I wouldn't get too excited. Tannehill is a horrible quarterback at this stage of his career.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on December 03, 2012, 08:52:40 PM
Encouraging game today.  Defense got a little lucky on a couple of bad coverage plays, but overall the D was average against the pass and good against the run.  I'll take it.  The offene with no Gronk, a still recovering Hernandez and an absolutely desimated line, was good enough and could be great by year end.
I wouldn't get too excited. Tannehill is a horrible quarterback at this stage of his career.

Yeah but still the dolphins have a decent defense and always play us tough in december. Bottom line is our offense didn't play well and our defense did. We needed a game like this in my opinion

Especially with the texans coming up next. You're not gonna blow teams out by 30 points every game and you need to be able to win the close ones and they did that finally.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on December 08, 2012, 07:49:23 PM
Bummer to lose Edelman. He provided so much versatility. Wish the pats had been working Shane Vereen in on PR and KR.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: nickagneta on December 08, 2012, 09:16:40 PM
Bummer to lose Edelman. He provided so much versatility. Wish the pats had been working Shane Vereen in on PR and KR.
Actually McCourty has been taking the majority of the KO returns this year, not Edelman. But he is such a great all around special teams player and decent 3rd WR option that he will definitely be missed.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on December 08, 2012, 09:47:47 PM
Yeah losing edelman is tough. Something we can definitely survive tho. We just gotta get gronk back healthy and we'll be fine.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on December 10, 2012, 07:45:26 PM
Who's ready for this game?!!! Biggest game of the year lets get it done patriots!!!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: PhoSita on December 10, 2012, 08:07:09 PM
Excited for this game, though in recent years the Patriots have tended to let me down in really "big" games like this.  Even when they win, they seem to struggle (e.g. that AFC championship last season).

I'd love for them to get a signature win here tonight and prove they're the best team, in the AFC if not the entire league.  But I'm keeping my optimism in check.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: PhoSita on December 10, 2012, 08:07:56 PM
Also, I really need Arian Foster to score 23 or fewer fantasy point so that I can win my first playoff game.

Here we go Pats run defense!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on December 10, 2012, 08:20:04 PM
Also, I really need Arian Foster to score 23 or fewer fantasy point so that I can win my first playoff game.

Here we go Pats run defense!

I don't play (and never will) fantasy football, so excuse my ignorance, but this means you can root against Foster, correct?  The most annoying thing I have ever experienced as a Patriots fan was watching a game last year with a good friend who was also watching his fantasy scores.  He was 'rooting' for the Pats, but also rooted for individual performances from the opposition.  Pats lost, but his disappointment was mitigated because his fantasy team won.  Just wrong.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on December 10, 2012, 08:57:44 PM
Make It Rain New England!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on December 10, 2012, 09:18:24 PM
So far so good. Patriots are dominating! Still early tho but everybody came to play tonight. I see you lloyd i see you!!!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: angryguy77 on December 10, 2012, 09:22:08 PM
That's a terrible pi call
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on December 10, 2012, 09:28:31 PM
That's a terrible pi call

Mike pereira says it was a good call. Said he hated to disagree with burden but  it was catchable and a foul
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: angryguy77 on December 10, 2012, 09:32:36 PM
That's a terrible pi call

Mike pereira says it was a good call. Said he hated to disagree with burden but  it was catchable and a foul

Lebron just tweeted that not even he would have got that call :P
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on December 10, 2012, 09:35:03 PM
That's a terrible pi call

Mike pereira says it was a good call. Said he hated to disagree with burden but  it was catchable and a foul

Lebron just tweeted that not even he would have got that call :P

I thought it was a bad call at first too, but vp of officiating who has been pretty transparent since he retired will get my vote of confidence.  :)
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on December 10, 2012, 09:42:11 PM
Vince wilfork is a man amongst boys
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on December 10, 2012, 10:58:22 PM
Brady runs for a first down, where's Eja??    :)
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Redz on December 10, 2012, 11:09:04 PM
Really impressive night for the D (I say as the offense has put up 35 points on a Texans D that is supposed to be one of the league's best)
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on December 10, 2012, 11:11:04 PM
Really impressive night for the D (I say as the offense has put up 35 points on a Texans D that is supposed to be one of the league's best)

And just think, we don't even have gronk!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: CDawg834 on December 10, 2012, 11:16:18 PM
Down 35-7 and punting on 4th and 1 at your 40?  Wow.  I know the game is out of reach but I honestly don't see how you punt there.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: TripleOT on December 10, 2012, 11:18:19 PM
This was a serious butt kicking of a one loss team that was reputed to be the best team in the league. If the Pats can get healthy, they should be able to return to the Super Bowl even if they have to go to Houston in the playoffs. 

Belichick and his coaches have also done a number on their counterparts on the Texans.  O line coach Dante Scarnecchia is the best assistant coach in the league.  Regardless of what line personnel is available, this team protects Brady and moves the ball on the ground this year.  At times, there are three first round picks on the line, but at other times this season, there's been three or four undrafted/late drafted lineman, with the offense not missing a beat.

 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on December 10, 2012, 11:46:52 PM
Paper means nothing in this game.

With all the players we were missing?

Wow.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on December 11, 2012, 07:34:51 AM
What a fantastic demolition that game was.  The pats offense did look human there for about 5 drives in the middle of the game, but the Defense held strong all game. 

To the houston texans, if a rookie 7th rounder is covering andre johnson and you arent forcing him the ball, your doing it wrong.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Prof. Clutch on December 16, 2012, 04:25:40 PM
Here's my new episode of 4th & Goal.  Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN7aXUaFhqs&hd=1
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: PhoSita on December 16, 2012, 10:57:42 PM
Patriots getting absolutely smoked.  Hopefully this will just be a reminder that there's more work to do.  They aren't perfect.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 16, 2012, 11:06:43 PM
I'm sorry guys but I can't help it.

Lets GO NINERS! Hold them off.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: PhoSita on December 16, 2012, 11:21:08 PM
I'm sorry guys but I can't help it.

Lets GO NINERS! Hold them off.

I don't dislike the 49ers.  They're a good team.

Don't see anybody winning a Super Bowl without an elite QB, though, and Kaepernick is not one.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Redz on December 16, 2012, 11:26:44 PM
GO PATS!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 16, 2012, 11:34:28 PM
I'm sorry guys but I can't help it.

Lets GO NINERS! Hold them off.

I don't dislike the 49ers.  They're a good team.

Don't see anybody winning a Super Bowl without an elite QB, though, and Kaepernick is not one.

Completely agree. Our defense, whose not doing a good job holding off NE, is the only thing we are banking on. And I think that's too much to ask.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on December 16, 2012, 11:41:11 PM
Brady is finally playing the kind of game he's paid to play. Finally. Only Tim Tebow could do it better, but he'd have to call on the entire trinity. Brady does it by himself.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Redz on December 16, 2012, 11:43:48 PM
whoops
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: PhoSita on December 16, 2012, 11:55:38 PM
Pretty amazing that the Pats made a game of this -- even tied it.  Obvious the defense doesn't have much energy left, though.

Still, I feel good about this team in January.  The 49ers in driving rain / sleet is basically a worst case scenario or the Pats.  Yet they didn't back down even when the game seemed 100% out of hand.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: KGs Knee on December 17, 2012, 12:14:41 AM
Honestly, I think the only reason the Pats got back in the game was the injury to J Smith.  Once the 9ers couldn't rush Brady, he had time to pick them apart.

Stout d-lines that rush the passer have success against the Pats.  It's really the only way to beat them.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 17, 2012, 12:16:06 AM
My NINERS will see you guys In a rematch for the Super Bowl. Man, Tom Brady had me scared.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: KGs Knee on December 17, 2012, 12:18:49 AM
Big loss for pats.  Denver now has inside edge for the 2nd bye.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: PhoSita on December 17, 2012, 12:21:56 AM
Honestly, I think the only reason the Pats got back in the game was the injury to J Smith.  Once the 9ers couldn't rush Brady, he had time to pick them apart.

Stout d-lines that rush the passer have success against the Pats.  It's really the only way to beat them.

I'd be worried if there was a good chance of the Patriots having to face a team like that on the road in the playoffs.

The Pats might have to go to Denver or Houston to make it to the Super Bowl, but that wouldn't scare me too bad.  Most of the teams that should really scare the Patriots are in the NFC.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: KGs Knee on December 17, 2012, 12:31:34 AM
Denver is probably the only AFC team NE should be "worried" by.

SF and NYG (if they even make the playoffs-ugh)are the two NFC teams.  I believe they'd beat GB or Atl.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: PhoSita on December 17, 2012, 12:39:55 AM
Denver is probably the only AFC team NE should be "worried" by.

SF and NYG (if they even make the playoffs-ugh)are the two NFC teams.  I believe they'd beat GB or Atl.

Yeah.  Most likely I think NE will have to beat the Bengals or the Colts, then the Broncos, then the Texans.  In the Superbowl, it'll be the Falcons or the Packers.

The Patriots have no historically been a great road playoff team.  But they've already beaten their two main competitors in the AFC.  And the teams most likely to come from the NFC don't fit the profile of teams most likely to give the Pats a tough time.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on December 17, 2012, 01:56:01 AM
Denver is probably the only AFC team NE should be "worried" by.

SF and NYG (if they even make the playoffs-ugh)are the two NFC teams.  I believe they'd beat GB or Atl.

Yeah.  Most likely I think NE will have to beat the Bengals or the Colts, then the Broncos, then the Texans.  In the Superbowl, it'll be the Falcons or the Packers.

The Patriots have no historically been a great road playoff team.  But they've already beaten their two main competitors in the AFC.  And the teams most likely to come from the NFC don't fit the profile of teams most likely to give the Pats a tough time.

Not at all a believer in the falcons. They are known for doing good during the regular season and then laying an egg in the playoffs. No way they get to the superbowl.

Anyways, im really bummed out about this loss. Now we won't get the bye week which is huge. We have never made the superbowl without the bye week. A patriots loss always kills me more than a celtics loss, im beyond annoyed right now.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Atzar on December 17, 2012, 02:12:52 AM
Fluky game.  Nobody could hold onto the ball in the first half, and more loose balls found red and gold.  The gap should have been wider at halftime, to be honest.

I'd like to see the two teams meet again, without crappy weather or an injury getting in the way.  I don't think this was a good representation of which of these teams is better.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on December 17, 2012, 04:49:39 AM
Fluky game.  Nobody could hold onto the ball in the first half, and more loose balls found red and gold.  The gap should have been wider at halftime, to be honest.

I'd like to see the two teams meet again, without crappy weather or an injury getting in the way.  I don't think this was a good representation of which of these teams is better.

I agree 100 percent with this. We made soooooo many mistakes. I really wanted to grab ridley and choke the s*** out of him. In my opinion his fumble was the most costly play in the game. That and letting the 49ers score on TWO PLAYS right after we tie the game?! Its gonna take me awhile to get over this one. I really wanted that BYE week.

Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on December 17, 2012, 09:59:57 AM
Bummer of a loss.
Hopefully the Pats players and coaches can take something from this, that it makes them mad, and makes them play hard through the rest of the season.

On the flip side, I was pretty happy with ATL yesterday...
:)
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: twistedrico14 on December 17, 2012, 11:02:26 AM
I don't think the Patriots will get back to the Super Bowl. They always look awesome in the regular season but then not so good.  I don't know whats so scary about 29 incompletions, 2 interceptions, and a 68 QB rating. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: kozlodoev on December 17, 2012, 11:02:59 AM
Were the replacement officials back for these game? Officiating was pretty horrible in both directions.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on December 23, 2012, 01:42:59 PM
Brady has slowly degenerated into Peyton Manning around the time Peyton was throwing Super Bowl losing interceptions. This represents an epic downgrade.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: dwlefty13 on December 30, 2012, 03:59:49 PM
Go Patriots!! Let's begin the quest for the 4th title with a win against the Dolphins
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on December 30, 2012, 04:36:38 PM
Let's end 2012 with a win, boys ... this is our kind of weather!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on December 30, 2012, 05:33:21 PM
Nice half so far.  O and D playing well against a Miami team that is not looking very crisp today (so far).  Really good protection for Brady so far today.

Would be great to hang on and secure a bye.   
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on December 30, 2012, 05:46:39 PM
So glad the texans lost!! It made this dolphins game alot more exciting. No way in hell the chiefs beat the broncos but now we can get that BYE.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: AB_Celtic on December 30, 2012, 06:28:04 PM
HA! Fumble at the 1.

Poor Dolphins fans.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Redz on December 30, 2012, 06:37:56 PM
That was the closest I've ever seen to a guy catching a ball with his butt cheeks.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on December 30, 2012, 07:13:14 PM
OK. Brady out please.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on January 13, 2013, 05:22:19 PM
Kind of a slow start, but it seems like it's starting to come together.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on January 13, 2013, 05:27:34 PM
Hard to believe how wide open Welker has been on multiple occasions here. Haven't the Texans been watching any film?!? Wow. ;)
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on January 13, 2013, 05:29:43 PM
Third under-thrown pass by Brady ... shake the nerves off, Tom.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: kozlodoev on January 13, 2013, 05:32:58 PM
Dumbest penalty ever.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: esel1000 on January 13, 2013, 05:35:07 PM
Dumbest penalty ever.

Agreed
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 13, 2013, 05:44:48 PM
I've been watching with the sound off.  Has there been an update on Gronk?

Good example there of Lloyd going down when didn't need to
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 13, 2013, 05:45:59 PM
Welker!  Guess he may be very good.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: ManUp on January 13, 2013, 05:46:11 PM
Great catch by Welker.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on January 13, 2013, 05:49:31 PM
I've been watching with the sound off.  Has there been an update on Gronk?

Good example there of Lloyd going down when didn't need to
Nothing yet ... just them assuming he's re-injured the arm. Sucks.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: kozlodoev on January 13, 2013, 05:54:16 PM
I've been watching with the sound off.  Has there been an update on Gronk?

Good example there of Lloyd going down when didn't need to
Nothing yet ... just them assuming he's re-injured the arm. Sucks.
I didn't see a play -- he apparently fell on the same forearm and appeared to be in a bit of pain.

Also, Woodhead has an injured thumb and is out (questionable) as well.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 13, 2013, 05:57:18 PM
I thought there was a bad spot on the play before the TD.  Foster's knee was down and ball was at the 2. Got an extra yard.   

What do you all think? TD?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on January 13, 2013, 06:06:24 PM
I thought there was a bad spot on the play before the TD.  Foster's knee was down and ball was at the 2. Got an extra yard.   

What do you all think? TD?
Yeah, saw that, too, and thought the same thing ... his knee touched and then he bounced forward for another couple of yards.

That didn't look like a touchdown, either, on that drive, but I think they just couldn't see it well enough to overturn the original call.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on January 13, 2013, 06:10:04 PM
They clearly blew the whistle after the clock had run out ... some very favorable calls for Houston here, and not the way you want to end the half if you're the Pats.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 13, 2013, 06:11:53 PM
Good job by Houston.   Go from 14 down to 4 down when it seemed the Pats could be pulling away.

2 huge returns really hurt.  Pats need a big drive to open the 3rd.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on January 13, 2013, 06:19:26 PM
Up 14 with three and half left, up only 4 to end the half!?!

Guys and gals, I'm in need of some comfort.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 13, 2013, 06:31:17 PM
Up 14 with three and half left, up only 4 to end the half!?!

Guys and gals, I'm in need of some comfort.

Some comfort -- but would have been much more comfortable if Pat's had a 2 score lead going into that drive. 

Go D!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on January 13, 2013, 06:34:17 PM
Notice when the Pats score or do anything they never ever dance like Ray Lewis? Maybe cause they know how they'd look? Although Spikes just did something different


Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 13, 2013, 06:34:38 PM
Oh  -bad bad call.

Thankfully get the ball back.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on January 13, 2013, 06:34:43 PM
Just a horrible call.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: kozlodoev on January 13, 2013, 06:36:36 PM
Oh  -bad bad call.

Thankfully get the ball back.
Well, a punt from the 20 is not exactly the same as a first down on the 10th.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on January 13, 2013, 06:37:13 PM
I hate being paranoid but these refs are acting a little Donaghyesque.  I think they're just terrible, though
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 13, 2013, 06:38:11 PM
Oh  -bad bad call.

Thankfully get the ball back.
Well, a punt from the 20 is not exactly the same as a first down on the 10th.



Very true.  Potentially very costly, but a nice drive here can make it moot.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on January 13, 2013, 06:41:42 PM
Tom could've walked for that one ... he's not a runner, but I think he could rush successfully once-in-a-while, when he has a clear lane to the first down like he did there.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 13, 2013, 06:42:18 PM
Tom could've walked for that one ... he's not a runner, but I think he could rush successfully once-in-a-while, when he has a clear lane to the first down like he did there.

THought that too.  Looked like he was going then decided otherwise.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: kozlodoev on January 13, 2013, 06:42:49 PM
I hate being paranoid but these refs are acting a little Donaghyesque.  I think they're just terrible, though
No, they're just inexplicably bad. Just like the game yesterday, when there were bizarre bad calls both ways -- and after review, too.

Otherwise, I never suspect malice when simple incompetence will do. :)
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: kozlodoev on January 13, 2013, 06:45:10 PM
They clearly blew the whistle after the clock had run out ... some very favorable calls for Houston here, and not the way you want to end the half if you're the Pats.
Yes, this one too.

Also, the national coverage is as horrible as the NBA's -- all those guys were so vocal about "two seconds on the clock when the whistle was blown", and then completely ignored the replay when it was pretty evident that there was no time on the clock.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: kozlodoev on January 13, 2013, 06:48:27 PM
Rob Ninkovich is amazing.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 13, 2013, 06:49:51 PM
NINK with another nice play.   Huge to stop them from scoring on that drive!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 13, 2013, 06:53:18 PM
What a balanced attack today.  Great quick snap.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on January 13, 2013, 06:55:13 PM
They clearly blew the whistle after the clock had run out ... some very favorable calls for Houston here, and not the way you want to end the half if you're the Pats.
Yes, this one too.

Also, the national coverage is as horrible as the NBA's -- all those guys were so vocal about "two seconds on the clock when the whistle was blown", and then completely ignored the replay when it was pretty evident that there was no time on the clock.
Yeah, there's been two or three times when they completely ignored some obvious no-calls/mistakes by the refs, for the sake of not making them look bad.

Oh, well, another TD ... it helps ease the sting a bit. ;) ;D
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on January 13, 2013, 06:57:32 PM
What a balanced attack today.  Great quick snap.
So awesome to have such a strong run game this year ... and it just serves to give Brady even more confidence to throw.

Love it ... great quarter so far, and just what they needed after the switch in momentum right before the half.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 13, 2013, 07:03:21 PM
Looked like elbow down to me prior to 1st down.  What a play by Talib.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on January 13, 2013, 07:04:26 PM
Looked like elbow down to me prior to 1st down.  What a play by Talib.

(http://cdn.hypebeast.com/image/2011/09/talib-kweli-so-disgusting-1.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on January 13, 2013, 07:06:02 PM
Hard to believe that Gronk re-injured his arm on that play ... he put very little pressure on in when he fell, as he rolled away from it.

It'd be nice to get an update, but I'm sure that they're playing it safe anyway, as long as they're in control of the game.

It'd be nice if Woodhead's thumb is nothing major as well ... here's hoping.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 13, 2013, 07:09:07 PM
Vereen. What a throw, what a catch, what a play.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 13, 2013, 07:11:17 PM
Hard to believe that Gronk re-injured his arm on that play ... he put very little pressure on in when he fell, as he rolled away from it.

It'd be nice to get an update, but I'm sure that they're playing it safe anyway, as long as they're in control of the game.

It'd be nice if Woodhead's thumb is nothing major as well ... here's hoping.

Yeah, if Gronk's arm was that susceptible to re-injury, why was he in game?   Hope it's not a re-break -- not sure if there is a good outcome possible. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 13, 2013, 07:13:03 PM
Geez.  Game looks a little comfortable and then... another return.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on January 13, 2013, 07:14:55 PM
Vereen. What a throw, what a catch, what a play.
Truly ... that was perfection in motion.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 13, 2013, 07:17:58 PM
Amazing.  This looks like a TD to me, but I was wrong on the last one.  Possession just before he hits the white.  Matters what moment they decide he has established possession, but I think all he needs is a grasp under this circumstance.

If so, Houston still has a pulse.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on January 13, 2013, 07:17:58 PM
Geez.  Game looks a little comfortable and then... another return.

No joke! It would be nice if they'd shut those down.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: esel1000 on January 13, 2013, 07:20:05 PM
Geez.  Game looks a little comfortable and then... another return.

No joke! It would be nice if they'd shut those down.

Seriously thats 13 points given up just on the field position the Texans get on these returns...
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 13, 2013, 07:20:50 PM
can't complain too much yet, but 3 VERY close challenges and all go Houston's way.   

One more drive  -- let's go Pats!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on January 13, 2013, 07:23:05 PM
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Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on January 13, 2013, 07:26:57 PM
Here we go again ...

So often, it seems, New England could make things easier on itself if it would just get a couple of first downs late in the game to burn some clock. Three and out? SMH
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: esel1000 on January 13, 2013, 07:29:38 PM
just need to keep burning this clock...
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on January 13, 2013, 07:30:00 PM
And now another big penalty? Awesome.  :(

And now New England's in the dang prevent defense. Great.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: kozlodoev on January 13, 2013, 07:30:25 PM
just need to keep burning this clock...
Well, maing a stand defensively (or offensively, for that matter) would be nice too.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on January 13, 2013, 07:32:15 PM
Aaaand another Pats penalty. Would've been fourth down. Dang it all, you guys!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: esel1000 on January 13, 2013, 07:37:03 PM
we need a drive here... im getting nervous
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 13, 2013, 07:37:18 PM
Nice play by Denard.  Even though they got the TD, worked almost a minute off the clock

Now they need to get possession and just a couple of 1st downs.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on January 13, 2013, 07:37:33 PM
 ... and the crowd goes silent.

Aargh!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 13, 2013, 07:38:39 PM
Nink again. But so lucky there.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on January 13, 2013, 07:38:52 PM
Fantastic. 31-13, now 38-28. Ship's sinking fast.

Good grief -- thank goodness for Ninkovich ... just snagged that onside kick.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 13, 2013, 07:40:27 PM
Nice Ridley.  Keep running.

Looked like another bad whistle
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 13, 2013, 07:41:21 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on January 13, 2013, 07:56:51 PM
Nice win ... TPs for all!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: kozlodoev on January 13, 2013, 07:57:55 PM
Gronk is out for the playoffs and will need another surgery. Ouch.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: esel1000 on January 13, 2013, 07:58:03 PM
Great win!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Birdman on January 13, 2013, 07:59:05 PM
Gronk is out for the playoffs and will need another surgery. Ouch.
He shouldnt been playing anyways
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on January 13, 2013, 07:59:38 PM
Nice win ... TPs for all!

Thanks, and here's one back to you!

Phew, that was a bit closer of an ending than I was hoping!  :P
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 13, 2013, 08:12:24 PM
Glad the Ravens are coming off an emotional and physical 5 quarters in Denver.  They travel home from the west and then travel to NE -- despite the extra day should make things a little harder for them.   

Pats will be favorites but Ravens emotion will need to be ebbed. Glad we aren't going to Denver!  Can't wait.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Bahku on January 13, 2013, 08:45:23 PM
Gronk is out for the playoffs and will need another surgery. Ouch.
He shouldnt been playing anyways
Agree ... it was clear last week that he was far from 100%, and that kind of injury is very easily exacerbated ... now it may even effect next season. It's a shame, really.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Rondo2287 on January 14, 2013, 09:15:21 AM
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Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on January 14, 2013, 09:16:37 AM
I love how different players step up at different times.

Vereen was huge for the Pats.

My prediction for the Ravens game is that Solder checks in as eligible on a redzone play and comes up with a TD.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on January 20, 2013, 06:47:36 PM
Putting Mallet in on punt and drawing a timeout....that's the difference between Belichick and everyone else. Yeah. Videoataping signals must have done that, right?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on January 20, 2013, 06:56:55 PM
Dear Brandon Lloyd. I love you more than I ever loved Randy Moss. That was an affair. I think this is love.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on January 20, 2013, 06:58:38 PM
Ridley doing some dirty work. I love it.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 20, 2013, 06:59:58 PM
Nice to get points.  Good drive.  Ravens may be tired already. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Roy H. on January 20, 2013, 07:08:00 PM
The Talib trade was huge for the Pats this season.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 20, 2013, 07:08:56 PM
Thought there'd be a flag there.

I don't love Welker on punts -- too much chance for injury.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 20, 2013, 07:22:37 PM
Sound is off, but saw Talib holding his leg looking like a hamstring.  I assume that's what they are speculating?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Cman on January 20, 2013, 07:25:09 PM
Sound is off, but saw Talib holding his leg looking like a hamstring.  I assume that's what they are speculating?
Potentially big blow for Pats there.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Roy H. on January 20, 2013, 07:31:27 PM
Man, great drive by Baltimore, finished off by a great move by Rice.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Edgar on January 20, 2013, 07:33:28 PM
I decided not to watch this game, I really want the Pats to win,...... :(
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 20, 2013, 07:35:54 PM
DBs decimated early on.  Not a good sign.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 20, 2013, 07:52:35 PM
Nice job by the D.  Did they say anything about Talib possible return?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: PhoSita on January 20, 2013, 07:53:30 PM
Patriots missing:

Love
Chung
Talib
Jones

Kind of a major deal for their defense.  Still, they're managing.

I can't help feeling like this game is playing out the way that the Ravens would like it to, though.

The Pats just aren't as scary in the Red Zone without Gronk, and the running game hasn't done as much damage as it needs to.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on January 20, 2013, 07:58:02 PM
Go for it. Punch em in the face and go for it
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 20, 2013, 07:58:14 PM
What a play.  Brilliant
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on January 20, 2013, 07:58:24 PM
Go for it. Punch em in the face and go for it
close enough
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Roy H. on January 20, 2013, 07:58:34 PM
Yeah, great call on that direct snap.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on January 20, 2013, 07:59:19 PM
I love plays like that. It says to the Ravens "We don't respect you" or at least we aren't afraid of you
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 20, 2013, 07:59:51 PM
Patriots missing:

Love
Chung
Talib
Jones

Kind of a major deal for their defense.  Still, they're managing.

I can't help feeling like this game is playing out the way that the Ravens would like it to, though.

The Pats just aren't as scary in the Red Zone without Gronk, and the running game hasn't done as much damage as it needs to.

Not sure I agree completely.  Pats have run well on 1st down.  Also, Pats have run a lot of plays.  Tiring out the Ravens defense is part of the Pats plan.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 20, 2013, 08:01:32 PM
Great play Brady!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Roy H. on January 20, 2013, 08:03:06 PM
The Pats mismanaged the clock on that one.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Eja117 on January 20, 2013, 08:06:35 PM
generic happy pc thoughts
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 20, 2013, 08:06:36 PM
Call TO with 16 seconds left.  Or throw it away.  Pats should have at least had 1 shot at the end zone there.

But, nice being up 6.   I think opening drive of 2nd half will be very big.  Ravens are having a very hard time stopping the Pats.  Would love to see Pats with the ball up 6.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: PhoSita on January 20, 2013, 08:14:54 PM
Patriots missing:

Love
Chung
Talib
Jones

Kind of a major deal for their defense.  Still, they're managing.

I can't help feeling like this game is playing out the way that the Ravens would like it to, though.

The Pats just aren't as scary in the Red Zone without Gronk, and the running game hasn't done as much damage as it needs to.

Not sure I agree completely.  Pats have run well on 1st down.  Also, Pats have run a lot of plays.  Tiring out the Ravens defense is part of the Pats plan.


Running a bunch of plays and only scoring 13 points . . . Ravens will take that any day.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 20, 2013, 08:26:21 PM
Patriots missing:

Love
Chung
Talib
Jones

Kind of a major deal for their defense.  Still, they're managing.

I can't help feeling like this game is playing out the way that the Ravens would like it to, though.

The Pats just aren't as scary in the Red Zone without Gronk, and the running game hasn't done as much damage as it needs to.

Not sure I agree completely.  Pats have run well on 1st down.  Also, Pats have run a lot of plays.  Tiring out the Ravens defense is part of the Pats plan.


Running a bunch of plays and only scoring 13 points . . . Ravens will take that any day.

Of course Ravens will take the 13 points.  But if a silver lining is there for the Pats, it is that the Ravens D may be gassed early. 

Good stop there for the Pats. Keep the ball moving Pats. Big drive now.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 20, 2013, 08:29:22 PM
Hernandez is dang strong.

And Welker can take a hit.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: esel1000 on January 20, 2013, 08:32:13 PM
bad drop by welker...
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: jambr380 on January 20, 2013, 08:32:21 PM
I love when people say how uncharacteristic it is for Welker to drop balls. I heard it all season...

And another punt from the 35 yd line - great...
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: PhoSita on January 20, 2013, 08:40:24 PM
Patriots on their way to losing this one.

With a healthy Gronk they'd have converted a couple of TDs on those drives that became punts.

As it stands, they won't score enough points.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 20, 2013, 08:43:02 PM
Yes Pats may lose this one.  Last drive stalling again was brutal.  Wind turning out to hurt the Pats more than the Ravens.  Would have had a couple long FG tries.

Come on Brady.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: PhoSita on January 20, 2013, 08:45:35 PM
What's the score right now if the Pats have a healthy Gronk?

I'm thinking 27-14 or 20-14.  Pats would not have punted twice in Ravens territory with Gronk available.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 20, 2013, 08:49:14 PM
Uh-oh.  D needs to step up now.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: esel1000 on January 20, 2013, 08:49:44 PM
I have a terrible feeling about this game now...
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: PhoSita on January 20, 2013, 08:52:51 PM
Flacco outplaying Tom Brady again.  Maybe that's because he has more dangerous receiving options, but the fact remains.  Flacco is having a better game.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 20, 2013, 08:57:05 PM
Need a huge defensive play. Now.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: PhoSita on January 20, 2013, 08:58:13 PM
This is going a little bit like that game against the Jets.  Pats got by all season by forcing turnovers on defense.  They haven't done that so far, and the Ravens are playing physical D and stopping the Pats from getting points on the board.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 20, 2013, 09:00:17 PM
Doesn't seem possible that Pats will stop Ravens here.  Ravens going through Pats like hot knife thru butter this half.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 20, 2013, 09:01:39 PM
Still a one score game.  Not losing hope.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: PhoSita on January 20, 2013, 09:07:45 PM
Ridley got clobbered on that play, and Ravens recover.  That's the game, folks.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: mahonedog88 on January 20, 2013, 09:12:49 PM
Bernard Pollard has been personally responsible for injuring more patriots than anyone else in the nfl.

It's not happening this year.  What's so frustrating is that this team should've been up by AT LEAST 10 halfway through the third.

Without Aquib Talib, this is nothing but the same old crappy defense before he got here.  They've completely abandoned the hurry-up, are being shut out this half, can't stop anyone...

Basically, this has turned into an ass-kicking with the blink of an eye
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: PhoSita on January 20, 2013, 09:14:17 PM
The Ravens have played a great game, and they deserve this win.

But it's hard not to talk about all the injuries for the Pats.

Gronk
Jones
Talib
Love
Ridley
Chung

Just crazy.  Tons of important guys not playing in this second half.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: rondohondo on January 20, 2013, 09:14:43 PM
Bernard Pollard has been personally responsible for injuring more patriots than anyone else in the nfl.

It's not happening this year.  What's so frustrating is that this team should've been up by AT LEAST 10 halfway through the third.

Without Aquib Talib, this is nothing but the same old crappy defense before he got here.  They've completely abandoned the hurry-up, are being shut out this half, can't stop anyone...

Basically, this has turned into an ass-kicking with the blink of an eye

I agree with everything you said, but still 11 mins left...
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: jambr380 on January 20, 2013, 09:16:24 PM
Now it's officially over. I love when the Patriots have a total meltdown. That's what happens when you try to play differently than you normally do. They are the 3rd leading scoring offense in NFL history, but punted three times from the ~35 yd line. They have two of the best game managers ever in Brady / Belichick and they blow it at the end of the 1st half. Wes Welker is supposed to be awesome, but had a huge drop that totally changed the outlook of this game.

And let's talk about all of our pro-bowl defensive players...Great job guys - way to show up!
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: PhoSita on January 20, 2013, 09:17:32 PM
Now it's officially over. I love when the Patriots have a total meltdown. That's what happens when you try to play differently than you normally do. They are the 3rd leading scoring offense in NFL history, but punted three times from the ~35 yd line. They have two of the best game managers ever in Brady / Belichick and they blow it at the end of the 1st half. Wes Welker is supposed to be awesome, but had a huge drop that totally changed the outlook of this game.

And let's talk about all of our pro-bowl defensive players...Great job guys - way to show up!

Again, the Pats have made mistakes, and the Ravens have made some really big plays.

But look at the list of guys injured.  Pats just aren't the same team.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Roy H. on January 20, 2013, 09:19:37 PM
This isn't over.  The Pats are making it look easy right now.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: rondohondo on January 20, 2013, 09:21:27 PM
cmon brady you had a 1st down if you ran arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Roy H. on January 20, 2013, 09:21:35 PM
Never mind.  Now it's over.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: PhoSita on January 20, 2013, 09:25:24 PM
Never mind.  Now it's over.

Brady just doesn't have any endzone targets right now.  Ravens just have to double cover Hernandez and that's it.  No Ridley, no Gronk, no TDs.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: mahonedog88 on January 20, 2013, 09:27:23 PM
Now it's officially over. I love when the Patriots have a total meltdown. That's what happens when you try to play differently than you normally do. They are the 3rd leading scoring offense in NFL history, but punted three times from the ~35 yd line. They have two of the best game managers ever in Brady / Belichick and they blow it at the end of the 1st half. Wes Welker is supposed to be awesome, but had a huge drop that totally changed the outlook of this game.

And let's talk about all of our pro-bowl defensive players...Great job guys - way to show up!

Again, the Pats have made mistakes, and the Ravens have made some really big plays.

But look at the list of guys injured.  Pats just aren't the same team.

Agreed, with the injuries piling, they need to play a perfect game...and it hasn't been that.  The clock management at the end of the half was insulting, more drops than usual too.

I, for one, am never to use an injury excuse...and this is Gronk aside because he goes without saying, but Aquib Talib was the ONE guy on defense they couldn't lose.  He was basically solely responsible for turning this defense into at least a respectable defense.  Without him, they turn back into the same crappy defense that gives up pass play after pass play.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: PhoSita on January 20, 2013, 09:27:52 PM
Pats D doesn't force any turnovers.

Brady is missing his top endzone targets.

Opponent has a tough, physical D that doesn't get scared by the big moment.

You have the ingredients for a Pats loss.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: PhoSita on January 20, 2013, 09:28:52 PM
That'll do it.  What a way to end a promising season. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Roy H. on January 20, 2013, 09:31:33 PM
Even with the injuries, I'm shocked that the Pats didn't win this.  I thought for sure that once Denver lost, the Pats were going to the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: PhoSita on January 20, 2013, 09:34:56 PM
Three out of four absolutely repugnant losses in the last four years for the Patriots. 

Brady's legacy is definitely in tatters compared to where it was going into the Super Bowl in February, 2008.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: mahonedog88 on January 20, 2013, 09:35:55 PM
Pats D doesn't force any turnovers.

Brady is missing his top endzone targets.

Opponent has a tough, physical D that doesn't get scared by the big moment.

You have the ingredients for a Pats loss.

Credit the Ravens line for protection, they've done a great job...but at the same time, you can see a TOTAL lack of passrush by the Pats
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Roy H. on January 20, 2013, 09:37:26 PM
Brady's legacy is definitely in tatters compared to where it was going into the Super Bowl in February, 2008.

I think the legacy in terms of "best QB ever / better than Joe Montana" is tattered.

Other than that, though, I think he'll still be viewed as one of the best and most successful QBs ever.  The "haven't won since Spygate" thing could continue to gain traction, though.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Roy H. on January 20, 2013, 09:37:56 PM
Is that right?  This is the first game Brady has ever lost after leading at the half?
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: mahonedog88 on January 20, 2013, 09:39:34 PM
Three out of four absolutely repugnant losses in the last four years for the Patriots. 

Brady's legacy is definitely in tatters compared to where it was going into the Super Bowl in February, 2008.

The fact that he struggles SO much against the Ravens definately hurts him a bit.  Not alot, but more now considering he just lost an AFC championship game at home to them.  And not just lost, but really got his ass kicked for the entire second half.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: PhoSita on January 20, 2013, 09:40:36 PM
Is that right?  This is the first game Brady has ever lost after leading at the half?

Correct.


Roy, I agree with you that Brady will, like Brett Favre, go down as one of the best ever.

But the fact that in the past 5-6 years he's been outplayed in big playoff games by QBs who were considered lesser is kind of a big deal.

As I've said before, with all of the injuries it was going to be difficult for the Patriots to win this one.  But Brady got outplayed by Flacco pretty handily.  Not even close, really.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Moranis on January 20, 2013, 09:43:34 PM
Brady's legacy is definitely in tatters compared to where it was going into the Super Bowl in February, 2008.

I think the legacy in terms of "best QB ever / better than Joe Montana" is tattered.

Other than that, though, I think he'll still be viewed as one of the best and most successful QBs ever.  The "haven't won since Spygate" thing could continue to gain traction, though.
There's that and I think people will look back at his Superbowl wins and realize he was pretty much a game manager in the first and third (and in the second Jake Delhomme went throw for throw with him).  In fact, in the first his stats were worse than Dilfer's who is known solely as a game manager.  I think people will look back and say, hey any good QB was going to win with those Patriots teams. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: mahonedog88 on January 20, 2013, 09:45:15 PM
Brady's legacy is definitely in tatters compared to where it was going into the Super Bowl in February, 2008.

I think the legacy in terms of "best QB ever / better than Joe Montana" is tattered.

Other than that, though, I think he'll still be viewed as one of the best and most successful QBs ever.  The "haven't won since Spygate" thing could continue to gain traction, though.

Yeah Brady will still always be considered one of the best QBs of all time.  But if he wants to be mentioned in the same breath as Montana, he has to win another championship.  His struggles against the Ravens and Giants will be just another chapter in his career.

However, while I personally think it's a ridiculous statement, if Belichick wants to silence all the spygate talk, he HAS to win another title.  If he doesn't, spygate will always hover over him, whether it be fairly or unfairly depending on your opinion
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Fan from VT on January 20, 2013, 09:48:31 PM
Called it in the 1st quarter. This was another coaching bomb by Belichek. He's good for one atrocious game every once in a while, and I called it very early that this would be one when I saw him punting on 4th and short and it was confirmed throughout the game. Just incredibly timid coaching.
-Punting twice on fourth and short near or past mid field.
-Punting twice from inside the opponents 40.

Those are plays that always predict the losing team. They are always bad coaching decisions with an average offense. And they are inexcusable decisions from the best NFL offense. It set the tone early, and Pats deserved to lose.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Fan from VT on January 20, 2013, 09:49:04 PM
More than Brady, Belichek should absolutely be destroyed by the press after this.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on January 20, 2013, 09:54:22 PM
What a miserable performance. Utterly disappointing. Questionable playcalling throughout, starting in the first quarter. Brady was off the mark on a lot of his passes, especially the deep ones, Welker had another key drop, Belichick never really going for it. Horrible.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Moranis on January 20, 2013, 09:56:08 PM
What a miserable performance. Utterly disappointing. Questionable playcalling throughout, starting in the first quarter. Brady was off the mark on a lot of his passes, especially the deep ones, Welker had another key drop, Belichick never really going for it. Horrible.
another key drop on a throw thrown behind him.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 20, 2013, 10:02:06 PM
from a NEUTRAL party standpoint... it appeared to me the Pats were flat out coached and out hustled.  Ravens wanted it more and responded with the huge tips, intercetions , fumble recovery , ect..

OH well...back to Celtic basketball
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: RebusRankin on January 20, 2013, 10:08:34 PM
Montana
Unitas
Brady

Still top 3.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: PhoSita on January 20, 2013, 10:14:36 PM
What a miserable performance. Utterly disappointing. Questionable playcalling throughout, starting in the first quarter. Brady was off the mark on a lot of his passes, especially the deep ones, Welker had another key drop, Belichick never really going for it. Horrible.
another key drop on a throw thrown behind him.

Not sure what you're thinking of, but the key drop for Welker was right on his chest, between his hands.  Just a bad drop.

Pretty huge drop by Vereen in the 4th, too.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: mahonedog88 on January 20, 2013, 10:23:22 PM
What a miserable performance. Utterly disappointing. Questionable playcalling throughout, starting in the first quarter. Brady was off the mark on a lot of his passes, especially the deep ones, Welker had another key drop, Belichick never really going for it. Horrible.
another key drop on a throw thrown behind him.

Not sure what you're thinking of, but the key drop for Welker was right on his chest, between his hands.  Just a bad drop.

Pretty huge drop by Vereen in the 4th, too.

On the Pats first offensive series in the second half, Welker was wide open and he dropped that pass that was slightly high but hit him right in the hands...that might've been the biggest drop in the game
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: PhoSita on January 20, 2013, 11:06:33 PM
What a miserable performance. Utterly disappointing. Questionable playcalling throughout, starting in the first quarter. Brady was off the mark on a lot of his passes, especially the deep ones, Welker had another key drop, Belichick never really going for it. Horrible.
another key drop on a throw thrown behind him.

Not sure what you're thinking of, but the key drop for Welker was right on his chest, between his hands.  Just a bad drop.

Pretty huge drop by Vereen in the 4th, too.

On the Pats first offensive series in the second half, Welker was wide open and he dropped that pass that was slightly high but hit him right in the hands...that might've been the biggest drop in the game

Yeah, very disappointing.

But I mean, you can't pin a loss on a couple of drops.

The Patriots' D fell apart as soon as Talib went out.  They were already very thin without Chandler Jones or Kyle Love.  Ultimately, they gave up 28 points to a Ravens offense that has some receiving threats but really should not score that many points against a competent defense.

Tom Brady was once again outplayed by Flacco.  Even without the drops, Brady had a pretty cringe-worthy game.  Yet another piece of evidence for the naysayers.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Kane3387 on January 20, 2013, 11:10:12 PM
The drops weren't why you guys lost. You lost bc you were thoroughly dominated in the second half. It was a team loss. Welker dropped some balls but the defense couldn't get off the field. Baltimore went to another level intensity wise and New England couldn't match it. It's obvious that the ray Lewis situation has this team playing its most inspired ball in years.
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: mahonedog88 on January 20, 2013, 11:47:30 PM
The drops weren't why you guys lost. You lost bc you were thoroughly dominated in the second half. It was a team loss. Welker dropped some balls but the defense couldn't get off the field. Baltimore went to another level intensity wise and New England couldn't match it. It's obvious that the ray Lewis situation has this team playing its most inspired ball in years.

Yeah the Pats energy didn't seem quite on the Ravens level all game, especially in the second half.  They were kicking themselves for the bad clock management at the end of the first half and didn't really seem to get over it in the second half.  And then once the Ravens took the lead, even though they were only up 1, you could just sense that the Patriots confidence didn't seem to be very high
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Atzar on January 20, 2013, 11:54:29 PM
The Patriots dominated the first half, but only had a 6-point lead to show for it.  They should have hung 28 on them.  They didn't.  That was the ballgame. 

Their inability to take advantage of opportunities let the Ravens hang around until they kicked into gear in the second half. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: KGs Knee on January 21, 2013, 01:03:14 AM
Brady's legacy is definitely in tatters compared to where it was going into the Super Bowl in February, 2008.

I think the legacy in terms of "best QB ever / better than Joe Montana" is tattered.

Other than that, though, I think he'll still be viewed as one of the best and most successful QBs ever.  The "haven't won since Spygate" thing could continue to gain traction, though.
There's that and I think people will look back at his Superbowl wins and realize he was pretty much a game manager in the first and third (and in the second Jake Delhomme went throw for throw with him).  In fact, in the first his stats were worse than Dilfer's who is known solely as a game manager.  I think people will look back and say, hey any good QB was going to win with those Patriots teams.

I thought this at the time....game manager with awesome defense (Belichick's coaching specialty)

Then Brady's stats got better (way better)....but the team success (SB victories) never came
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: lightspeed5 on January 21, 2013, 03:17:18 AM
I love my patriots, but
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Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Moranis on January 21, 2013, 06:21:40 AM
What a miserable performance. Utterly disappointing. Questionable playcalling throughout, starting in the first quarter. Brady was off the mark on a lot of his passes, especially the deep ones, Welker had another key drop, Belichick never really going for it. Horrible.
another key drop on a throw thrown behind him.

Not sure what you're thinking of, but the key drop for Welker was right on his chest, between his hands.  Just a bad drop.

Pretty huge drop by Vereen in the 4th, too.
I was thinking of the one on 3rd down in the second half, that was behind him and high.  It hit him on the hands, but it wasn't a good throw.  Neither was the Vereen throw.  That was too low and too fast for that play.  Certainly they both could have and should have been caught, but they weren't good throws. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: Moranis on January 21, 2013, 02:02:53 PM
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8864682/bill-barnwell-conference-championships%29 (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8864682/bill-barnwell-conference-championships%29)

Interesting article about Brady's career and by looking at it in reverse chronological order. 
Title: Re: 2012 Patriots Football
Post by: scaryjerry on January 21, 2013, 02:04:34 PM
Talib went out...patriots sucked...he was the difference on defense this season