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Someone should start up one of those "CB Draft - how's my team look" threads. A lot of good teams, so far.
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Chicago Bulls, Through Round 3
PG: Stephen Curry
SG: Dwyane Wade
SF: ?
PF: Bosh
C: Nikola Pekovic
How's my team look?
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Somehow this got left in the mods forum. I wondered why nobody commented
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Chicago Bulls, Through Round 3
PG: Stephen Curry
SG: Dwyane Wade
SF: ?
PF: Bosh
C: Nikola Pekovic
How's my team look?
It looks good and happy in the Eastern Conference.
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I think the Curry/Wade backcourt is an excellent pairing, a highly complementary duo.
I also like Pek's muscle paired with Chris Bosh in the frontcourt.
Waiting two-plus rounds until you round out the starting rotation will be difficult. But I think the core is sound.
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Chicago Bulls, Through Round 3
PG: Stephen Curry
SG: Dwyane Wade
SF: ?
PF: Bosh
C: Nikola Pekovic
How's my team look?
Its a solid team though I don't really know to much about Pekovic. I like Curry's long range shooting to compliment Wade. Also if wade continues to get away with punching people in the face in overtime this could be a tough team to beat.
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Boston Celtics
Center - Andrew Bynum
PF - TBD
SF - Kevin Durant
SG - TBD
PG - TBD
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Center - Andrew Bynum
PF - TBD
SF - Kevin Durant
SG - TBD
PG - TBD
My comments are TBD.
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Chicago Bulls, Through Round 3
PG: Stephen Curry
SG: Dwyane Wade
SF: ?
PF: Bosh
C: Nikola Pekovic
How's my team look?
Curry's health is obviously a huge issue, and Wade didn't end the season healthy, either (although he was still performing). If your backcourt makes it through the season, they'll be top notch on the offensive end. Curry needs to improve on defense, but Wade is still solid, even as he ages.
Offensively, Bosh and Pekovic work. Defensively, though, I think it's a very weak combo. Bosh is, as Shaq said, the "Ru Paul of big men". He's soft. Like, Downy fabric softener soft. Pekovic isn't a good defender, either. He's great at giving hard fouls -- something he does a lot -- but he's not all that good in terms of the fundamentals.
Clearly, your team is one of the best in the league. There is absolutely no denying that, and you've done extremely well putting your team together. However, I do think there are a handful of weaknesses that need to be addressed.
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Boston Celtics
Center - Andrew Bynum
PF - TBD
SF - Kevin Durant
SG - TBD
PG - TBD
The second best player in the world, plus an extremely talented, extremely injury-prone, extremely petulant center. It's hard to say much beyond that until we see how you fill out the roster.
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C: Brook Lopez
PF:
SF:
SG: James Harden
PG: John Wall
4(23) 5(2) 6(23) 7(2) etc
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Center - Andrew Bynum
PF - TBD
SF - Kevin Durant
SG - TBD
PG - TBD
I would be shocked if this didn't end up being a title contender.
The K.Durant + A.Bynum combination is excellent. One of the finest in the league.
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C: Brook Lopez
PF:
SF:
SG: James Harden
PG: John Wall
4(23) 5(2) 6(23) 7(2) etc
What's your goal? Are you looking to contend, or are you aiming at team of the future?
For team of the future, you're looking very good. John Wall needs to grow up, but I think he will if not surrounded by knuckleheads. Harden has the talent to start, without doubt. However, I love the flexibility he gives you as you build your team. You need to pair Lopez with a power forward who can rebound and defend, but he'll get you buckets in the post.
This team has some potential. I'm curious to see how you fill it out.
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C: Brook Lopez
PF:
SF:
SG: James Harden
PG: John Wall
4(23) 5(2) 6(23) 7(2) etc
What's your goal? Are you looking to contend, or are you aiming at team of the future?
For team of the future, you're looking very good. John Wall needs to grow up, but I think he will if not surrounded by knuckleheads. Harden has the talent to start, without doubt. However, I love the flexibility he gives you as you build your team. You need to pair Lopez with a power forward who can rebound and defend, but he'll get you buckets in the post.
This team has some potential. I'm curious to see how you fill it out.
A high level defensive PF would definitely be a priority for me.
I would have loved to have seen Anderson Varejao land here. A Brook Lopez and Varejao combo would be very effective. Similar in nature to Big Z and Varejao or a Rik Smits and Dale Davis in terms of fit / balance / style of play.
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C: Brook Lopez
PF:
SF:
SG: James Harden
PG: John Wall
4(23) 5(2) 6(23) 7(2) etc
What's your goal? Are you looking to contend, or are you aiming at team of the future?
For team of the future, you're looking very good. John Wall needs to grow up, but I think he will if not surrounded by knuckleheads. Harden has the talent to start, without doubt. However, I love the flexibility he gives you as you build your team. You need to pair Lopez with a power forward who can rebound and defend, but he'll get you buckets in the post.
This team has some potential. I'm curious to see how you fill it out.
I'm definitely thinking towards the future, as my 3 players are all under 25. I agree that my biggest need alongside Lopez is defense and rebounding. While my core is young I'm definitely looking to add a few veterans, specifically to help Wall grow and mature. There's a lot of ways I can go right now, and I feel I have endless possibilities to make a good team that can contend in the near future.
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C - Al Jefferson
PF - Josh Smith
SF
SG
PG - Brandon Jennings
I personally value Jefferson a lot higher than most of the managers; he's very consistent and quietly puts up big numbers out in Utah. His defense may be a little suspect, but he's good for a few blocks here and there.
I'd like to shake things up a little bit, but I haven't really found any trades that catch my eye.
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CB Draft Phoenix Suns:
1. Steve Nash
2. ?
3. ?
4. Kevin Love
5. Joakim Noah
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C - Al Jefferson
PF - Josh Smith
SF
SG
PG - Brandon Jennings
I personally value Jefferson a lot higher than most of the managers; he's very consistent and quietly puts up big numbers out in Utah. His defense may be a little suspect, bust he's good for a few blocks here and there.
I'd like to shake things up a little bit, but I haven't really found any trades that catch my eye.
I like Big Al a lot offensively, but I don't like Smith and Jennings beside him on offense.
I like Smith a lot defensively, but I don't love any team defense with Big Al in the middle.
I guess I just don't love the "fit", and I'd like to see a point guard who is more accustomed to running an offense.
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C - Al Jefferson
PF - Josh Smith
SF
SG
PG - Brandon Jennings
I personally value Jefferson a lot higher than most of the managers; he's very consistent and quietly puts up big numbers out in Utah. His defense may be a little suspect, but he's good for a few blocks here and there.
I'd like to shake things up a little bit, but I haven't really found any trades that catch my eye.
I'm not as high on Al Jeff as you are, but regardless I think it's a poor fit. Brandon Jennings and Josh Smith don't want to, and won't play Al Jefferson's brand of basketball.
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CB Draft Phoenix Suns:
1. Steve Nash
2. ?
3. ?
4. Kevin Love
5. Joakim Noah
I am not a Noah fan, at all, but next to Love he makes sense. Two hustle guys in the front court, with Noah being capable of defending the more talented opposing big man. I love Nash to get open looks, although you'll need to find a couple of strong wing defenders.
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PG: Nene
SG: ?
SF: ?
PF: Lamarcus Alridge
C: Al Horford
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Philly:
pg: Ty Lawson
sg: Arron Afflalo
sf: Paul Pierce
pf: Paul Millsap
c:
I like my team so far given the options I had. Three up and comers lead by the veteran captain. Solid outside shooting and defense, more so on the perimeter. Without a center, we obviously lack real size and rebounds.
Will look for a center with my next pick or should I get anxious, I'll look into trading for a current center.
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C - Al Jefferson
PF - Josh Smith
SF
SG
PG - Brandon Jennings
I personally value Jefferson a lot higher than most of the managers; he's very consistent and quietly puts up big numbers out in Utah. His defense may be a little suspect, but he's good for a few blocks here and there.
I'd like to shake things up a little bit, but I haven't really found any trades that catch my eye.
I am not as down on Jefferson as others are. I think he needs a good defender with him in the frontcourt. Smith is an athletic specimen, but I don't know if he's that kind of player Al needs to play with.
Offensively, Al puts up numbers, but he might need someone to spoon feed him. Not sure if Jennings is that guy.
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PG: Nene
SG: ?
SF: ?
PF: Lamarcus Alridge
C: Al Horford
Was FORCED to take Lawson at 3.4 since the best available PG was already taken.
Since one of those three will likely be moved, I'd personally ship Horford for a top PG or SG. Athletic SG might be easier to get than some top PG's.
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CB Draft Phoenix Suns:
1. Steve Nash
2. ?
3. ?
4. Kevin Love
5. Joakim Noah
Great core to build around. High IQ players. Noah and Love should really love playing together, and Nash makes everyone around him better. Wings will be key.
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PG: Nene
SG: ?
SF: ?
PF: Lamarcus Alridge
C: Al Horford
No Aldridge at SG?
A savvy GM once suggested to me that the one way a team with a mid- to late-round pick could win this thing was to build a formidable front line and ride that to victory. This is that strategy in action. It's definitely going to get you into the playoffs. I'll be curious, though, to see if you can contend.
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PG: Nene
SG: ?
SF: ?
PF: Lamarcus Alridge
C: Al Horford
Was FORCED to take Lawson at 3.4 since the best available PG was already taken.
Since one of those three will likely be moved, I'd personally ship Horford for a top PG or SG. Athletic SG might be easier to get than some top PG's.
Not overtly concerned with a pg, there's still a ton of really good ones left.
We'll see if we end up moving one. I'm becoming slowly obsessed with the idea of being able to capitalize on 2 of the 3 of them always being in the game and fresh. Could punish starting lineups and murder benches.
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CB Draft Phoenix Suns:
1. Steve Nash
2. ?
3. ?
4. Kevin Love
5. Joakim Noah
I am not a Noah fan, at all, but next to Love he makes sense. Two hustle guys in the front court, with Noah being capable of defending the more talented opposing big man. I love Nash to get open looks, although you'll need to find a couple of strong wing defenders.
Why are you not a fan of Noah? What don't you like about his game?
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Philly:
pg: Ty Lawson
sg: Arron Afflalo
sf: Paul Pierce
pf: Paul Millsap
c:
I like my team so far given the options I had. Three up and comers lead by the veteran captain. Solid outside shooting and defense, more so on the perimeter. Without a center, we obviously lack real size and rebounds.
Will look for a center with my next pick or should I get anxious, I'll look into trading for a current center.
Very solid. Somebody mentioned this earlier, but I think the real question mark is whether you have the truly elite superstar talent to win.
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Philly:
pg: Ty Lawson
sg: Arron Afflalo
sf: Paul Pierce
pf: Paul Millsap
c:
I like my team so far given the options I had. Three up and comers lead by the veteran captain. Solid outside shooting and defense, more so on the perimeter. Without a center, we obviously lack real size and rebounds.
Will look for a center with my next pick or should I get anxious, I'll look into trading for a current center.
Love the Denver backcourt. I like Millsap too. Is Paul the right fit at SF? I get you want him for scoring and leadership, but he seems out of place to me. Maybe I'm wrong.
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I think the Curry/Wade backcourt is an excellent pairing, a highly complementary duo.
I also like Pek's muscle paired with Chris Bosh in the frontcourt.
Waiting two-plus rounds until you round out the starting rotation will be difficult. But I think the core is sound.
Yeah I might end up moving Pek or Curry for a player + picks, but I also think that waiting won't kill me either.
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Chicago Bulls, Through Round 3
PG: Stephen Curry
SG: Dwyane Wade
SF: ?
PF: Bosh
C: Nikola Pekovic
How's my team look?
Its a solid team though I don't really know to much about Pekovic. I like Curry's long range shooting to compliment Wade. Also if wade continues to get away with punching people in the face in overtime this could be a tough team to beat.
Pekovic is getting a warmer receptiOn than I thought he would. He's a 17 and 10 guy who has had big games against tough oppOnents and seemed to only get better last season.
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CB Draft Phoenix Suns:
1. Steve Nash
2. ?
3. ?
4. Kevin Love
5. Joakim Noah
I am not a Noah fan, at all, but next to Love he makes sense. Two hustle guys in the front court, with Noah being capable of defending the more talented opposing big man. I love Nash to get open looks, although you'll need to find a couple of strong wing defenders.
Why are you not a fan of Noah? What don't you like about his game?
I'm mostly not a fan of his attitude, showing up coaches and teammates in the past. I also didn't like that Chicago's defense was actually better with Carlos Boozer at center than it was with Noah a couple of seasons ago. Mostly, though, it's just because the guy is a punk whose mouth is bigger than his talent.
He's a good rebounder, though, and a good defender (although I wouldn't call him great). He's strictly a garbage man on offense, but that's all you should need next to Love.
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PG: Nene
SG: ?
SF: ?
PF: Lamarcus Alridge
C: Al Horford
No Aldridge at SG?
A savvy GM once suggested to me that the one way a team with a mid- to late-round pick could win this thing was to build a formidable front line and ride that to victory. This is that strategy in action. It's definitely going to get you into the playoffs. I'll be curious, though, to see if you can contend.
Thanks. Ya, I think there are other ways to make a really good team, but I think if you can't get a superstar this is really the only way to compete. We'll see, I think a few things will have to bounce our way but we're holding onto some hope.
I'm sure some will say defense, but I don't really see a case where a strong defender has truly slowed down a superduperstar.
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This team is planning to be in the playoffs this year!
The Pacers
PG Rondo
SF (or SG) Batum
PF Scola
C Monroe
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Chicago Bulls, Through Round 3
PG: Stephen Curry
SG: Dwyane Wade
SF: ?
PF: Bosh
C: Nikola Pekovic
How's my team look?
Strong team. Probably has enough offense though. Might want to focus more on Defense.
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I will have time to make comment later (maybe. Wife's birthday)
The Pacers
PG Rondo
SF (or SG) Batum
PF (or C) Monroe
As a team of the future, I'm a big fan. I like that you've got some versatility in the starting lineup, and of course Rondo is Rondo (mostly good, a small bit of bad).
If Batum and/or Monroe make "the leap", watch out. They're both good, but each could potentially be great.
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C: Brook Lopez
PF:
SF:
SG: James Harden
PG: John Wall
4(23) 5(2) 6(23) 7(2) etc
Young team. Lots of potential and thus lots of unanswered questions. I think this could be a playoff team, but it lacks a superstar to make it a contender.
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C - Al Jefferson
PF - Josh Smith
SF
SG
PG - Brandon Jennings
I personally value Jefferson a lot higher than most of the managers; he's very consistent and quietly puts up big numbers out in Utah. His defense may be a little suspect, but he's good for a few blocks here and there.
I'd like to shake things up a little bit, but I haven't really found any trades that catch my eye.
I am not as down on Jefferson as others are. I think he needs a good defender with him in the frontcourt. Smith is an athletic specimen, but I don't know if he's that kind of player Al needs to play with.
Offensively, Al puts up numbers, but he might need someone to spoon feed him. Not sure if Jennings is that guy.
I disagree that Al needs to be spoon fed. Nobody on Utah averaged more than 5 assists per game last season and he managed to put up 19ppg. This team could fly up and down the court with Al being the trailer.
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I hesitate to even ask, because I think the annual strategy is "tear down the team with Lebron". Regardless:
Brand
Lebron
Granger
Joey Crawford
Lowry
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I will have time to make comment later (maybe. Wife's birthday)
The Pacers
PG Rondo
SF (or SG) Batum
PF (or C) Monroe
I don't know if I buy Batum as a SG for more than spot minutes. I do think Monroe could play either PF or C, depending on who's with him.
Who's the primary scorer? Batum?
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How about Detroit?
PG: Paul
SG
SF: Gay
PF
C: Varajao
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I hesitate to even ask, because I think the annual strategy is "tear down the team with Lebron". Regardless:
Brand
Lebron
Granger
Joey Crawford
Lowry
I think you gotta move Granger, even if it means taking 75 cents on the dollar. It'll just make life infinitely easier for you going forward.
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I disagree that Al needs to be spoon fed. Nobody on Utah averaged more than 5 assists per game last season and he managed to put up 19ppg. This team could fly up and down the court with Al being the trailer.
I was assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that Al got most of his points via the P&R. Perhaps that's not the case?
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C - Al Jefferson
PF - Josh Smith
SF
SG
PG - Brandon Jennings
I personally value Jefferson a lot higher than most of the managers; he's very consistent and quietly puts up big numbers out in Utah. His defense may be a little suspect, but he's good for a few blocks here and there.
I'd like to shake things up a little bit, but I haven't really found any trades that catch my eye.
It's undersized thus far. I always liked Smith in the marion role as a SF and Jefferson as a PF. Like others have said I question the fit and I think it lacks a clear cut number one option. When you have Big Al I feel you should be a half court team. With Smith I feel you should be looking more at a running team. Jennings can play either style, so I really question the fit of Jefferson and Smith.
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The Pacers
PG Rondo
PF (or C) Monroe
Unless you can get a center with a strong jump-shot and high post game, I think you'll almost definitely be better off with Monroe as a center alongside Rondo.
Two bigs that lack a jump shot would be difficult with Rondo in the halfcourt. Spacing wise.
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CB Draft Phoenix Suns:
1. Steve Nash
2. ?
3. ?
4. Kevin Love
5. Joakim Noah
I really like this team and the fit. Need a guy who can get his own on the wing as well as a great perimeter defender. If you can get one of each for the 2 and the 3 then I think you have something special.
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PG: Nene
SG: ?
SF: ?
PF: Lamarcus Alridge
C: Al Horford
I feel like all of these guys are at their best when they are playing PF. I would move one of them. Most likely Horford for a very good pick and pop/roll PG.
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Philly:
pg: Ty Lawson
sg: Arron Afflalo
sf: Paul Pierce
pf: Paul Millsap
c:
I like my team so far given the options I had. Three up and comers lead by the veteran captain. Solid outside shooting and defense, more so on the perimeter. Without a center, we obviously lack real size and rebounds.
Will look for a center with my next pick or should I get anxious, I'll look into trading for a current center.
I would move Pierce. Don't think he would like being on a team that likely won't be able to contend right away.
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I will have time to make comment later (maybe. Wife's birthday)
The Pacers
PG Rondo
SF (or SG) Batum
PF (or C) Monroe
This might be my favorite for Team of the Future. You need shooting now to space the floor for RR.
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I hesitate to even ask, because I think the annual strategy is "tear down the team with Lebron". Regardless:
Brand
Lebron
Granger
Joey Crawford
Lowry
This will be a very good defensive team. I hope Granger gets to defend LeBron in practice ;)
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How about Detroit?
PG: Paul
SG
SF: Gay
PF
C: Varajao
I love CP3 and Gay. That is a great pairing. I have never liked Andy. I would look to RIPRED and see if you can move him for Josh Smith. Otherwise I think you need a big who can get his on the block and protect the rim.
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Offensively, Bosh and Pekovic work. Defensively, though, I think it's a very weak combo. Bosh is, as Shaq said, the "Ru Paul of big men". He's soft. Like, Downy fabric softener soft. Pekovic isn't a good defender, either. He's great at giving hard fouls -- something he does a lot -- but he's not all that good in terms of the fundamentals.
This is the Roy Hobbs I know and love. If hyperbole were food, you'd be able to feed Africa.
Chris Bosh is not 'soft'. He not KG with his intensity, and he's not Kenyon Martin with his sheer brutishness, but he's not soft. Not with how he played in the playoffs through pain, hustling for boards, giving up the body, Bosh can't be called soft anymore than Pau Gasol can. Unless you want to rate everyone on old reputations, cuz if that's the case I've got some terrible news for you about Lebron.
As far a Pekovic, he does not foul a lot. This is not a supportable claim. He used to, Hollinger said he did in his player blurb in 2011, but he seems to have solved that particular issue somewhere along the way to being a 17 and 10 guy.
And for those of you uninitiated, Roy dropped a 'Complisult', which I followed up on with playoffs level snark. It how the CB Draft rolls
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I hesitate to even ask, because I think the annual strategy is "tear down the team with Lebron". Regardless:
Brand
Lebron
Granger
Joey Crawford
Lowry
I think your team is in very strong shape. A title contender.
The LeBron, Granger and Lowry trio is very impressive. I think they'll work very well together and form the core to a title contender by themselves. In my eyes, it's just matter of getting the right role players and balance now. The bigger roles are already filled.
Elton Brand was a surprising choice at center. Not completely sold on him as a starting center. I do definitely think he can give you good minutes there though. At least 20-25 minutes a night. And if necessary, I think you could get away with him a starter and still field a Championship caliber roster. So long as the rest of the positions are in strong shape (which they currently are).
I do like having a skilled center along with LeBron. Someone with a jump shot shot which Brand has. I think he is a reasonable enough defender at center. His lack of height will cause some problems at times but he's a strong guy (physically/mentally) with excellent length with a very good understanding of how to play team defense. His lack of foot-speed at PF isn't an issue at center.
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Also I can't even post in this thread with my phone because y'all are blowing it up.
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Offensively, Bosh and Pekovic work. Defensively, though, I think it's a very weak combo. Bosh is, as Shaq said, the "Ru Paul of big men". He's soft. Like, Downy fabric softener soft. Pekovic isn't a good defender, either. He's great at giving hard fouls -- something he does a lot -- but he's not all that good in terms of the fundamentals.
This is the Roy Hobbs I know and love. If hyperbole were food, you'd be able to feed Africa.
Chris Bosh is not 'soft'. He not KG with his intensity, and he's not Kenyon Martin with his sheer brutishness, but he's not soft. Not with how he played in the playoffs through pain, hustling for boards, giving up the body, Bosh can't be called soft anymore than Pau Gasol can. Unless you want to rate everyone on old reputations, cuz if that's the case I've got some terrible news for you about Lebron.
As far a Pekovic, he does not foul a lot. This is not a supportable claim. He used to, Hollinger said he did in his player blurb in 2011, but he seems to have solved that particular issue somewhere along the way to being a 17 and 10 guy.
And for those of you uninitiated, Roy dropped a 'Complisult', which I followed up on with playoffs level snark. It how the CB Draft rolls
Pau Gasol is a much more physical player than Chris Bosh.
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CB Draft: Utah Jazz
PG - Deron Williams
SF - Danilo Gallinari
PF - Zach Randolph
I think the team is in good shape offensively. Top three options in place. Next few picks will likely have more of a defensive focus.
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CB Draft: Utah Jazz
PG - Deron Williams
SF - Danilo Gallinari
PF - Zach Randolph
I think the team is in good shape offensively. Top three options in place. Next few picks will likely have more of a defensive focus.
I really like this team a lot. Good balance, and I think theres a lot of good players that'd compliment you well.
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C - Al Jefferson
PF - Josh Smith
SF
SG
PG - Brandon Jennings
I personally value Jefferson a lot higher than most of the managers; he's very consistent and quietly puts up big numbers out in Utah. His defense may be a little suspect, but he's good for a few blocks here and there.
I'd like to shake things up a little bit, but I haven't really found any trades that catch my eye.
I actually like the Al Jefferson and Josh Smith combination. I am surprised so many feel it's a bad fit. I think Big Al needs a strong and mobile defensive PF alongside him and Josh Smith certainly brings that to the table. I also like having as talented an offensive big man alongside Josh Smith on the other end. I think they will work well together.
I am not, however, a big fan of Big Al. I consider him more of a finishing piece as a third or fourth best player on a title team rather than a guy you build around. So selecting Big Al in the first round put your team behind quite a lot in my eyes.
I also think that Brandon Jennings will have some problems fitting in offensively with a high usage low post scorer like Big Al. Jennings needs to have the ball in his hands a lot to be effective. Not sure they can share the wealth and keep everyone else involved. I don't like the fit there.
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Offensively, Bosh and Pekovic work. Defensively, though, I think it's a very weak combo. Bosh is, as Shaq said, the "Ru Paul of big men". He's soft. Like, Downy fabric softener soft. Pekovic isn't a good defender, either. He's great at giving hard fouls -- something he does a lot -- but he's not all that good in terms of the fundamentals.
This is the Roy Hobbs I know and love. If hyperbole were food, you'd be able to feed Africa.
Chris Bosh is not 'soft'. He not KG with his intensity, and he's not Kenyon Martin with his sheer brutishness, but he's not soft. Not with how he played in the playoffs through pain, hustling for boards, giving up the body, Bosh can't be called soft anymore than Pau Gasol can. Unless you want to rate everyone on old reputations, cuz if that's the case I've got some terrible news for you about Lebron.
As far a Pekovic, he does not foul a lot. This is not a supportable claim. He used to, Hollinger said he did in his player blurb in 2011, but he seems to have solved that particular issue somewhere along the way to being a 17 and 10 guy.
And for those of you uninitiated, Roy dropped a 'Complisult', which I followed up on with playoffs level snark. It how the CB Draft rolls
Pau Gasol is a much more physical player than Chris Bosh.
Since 2009.
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CB Draft: Utah Jazz
PG - Deron Williams
SF - Danilo Gallinari
PF - Zach Randolph
I think the team is in good shape offensively. Top three options in place. Next few picks will likely have more of a defensive focus.
My biggest reserves are 'Can Z-Bo return to 2011 form? And 'Can Deron Williams still be Deron Williams'
Gallo I'm a huge fan of. He's tough, and he earned a lot of respect from me last season.
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How about Detroit?
PG: Paul
SG
SF: Gay
There is something about this that doesn't sit right with me. Not with CP3/Gay or Nash/Gay.
I am big fan of Rudy Gay's. I think he is a very good player. I consider him the 5th best SF in the league behind LeBron, Durant, Melo and Pierce. And he could surpass Melo and/or Pierce in the near future if he keeps improving.
But I question how well he'll play with a PG like Steve Nash or Chris Paul. He likes the ball in his own hands. Likes to play one-on-one basketball offensively. Can be a bit of a ball-stopper at times as a result. He doesn't accept help well from his teammates. Keeps trying to do things on his own instead of playing off of opportunities others create (such as Z-Bo + M.Gasol in Memphis and also M.Conley).
So I wonder how smoothly he'll fit alongside a guy like Nash or CP3.
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Don't get me wrong, I think it'll work. Work well ... just not wonderfully.
But that there will be some diminished returns there. And I wonder if Detroit aren't better off trading Gay for a player who better suits Steve Nash's style of basketball. Maybe a big man that Nash can play the two man game with. I wonder if that would give Detroit a larger gain than Gay gives them.
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That was one of the things that was holding me back a bit on Phoenix's trio with Nash, Gay and Love and why I thought trading Gay for Joakim Noah was such a good move for them. The superior balance and on-court chemistry it created.
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What's everyone think of the knicks
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What's everyone think of the knicks
I like Rubio, I like Ibaka, and one of the two of Melo/Ellis. Like it way better without Cousins.
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Elton Brand was a surprising choice at center.
The pick surprised me, too. ;)
In all seriousness, I like Brand in the role of center. We all think that a center needs to be 7'0". As we saw here in Boston, though, a strong guy like BBD could be an effective defensive center, because he could muscle guys away from the hoop. Brand has that strength, but he also possesses athleticism and instincts that a guy like BBD doesn't. That's why Brand was an elite defender last year. I won't rehash the article I posted, but both in the regular season and playoffs, Brand's defense was top notch, and he was always drawing the toughest defensive assignments.
Obviously, there's a long way to go. However, if Miami can win a title with Ru Paul at center, I think Lebron can thrive with a superior defensive big man in the middle.
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What's everyone think of the knicks
I like Rubio, I like Ibaka, and one of the two of Melo/Ellis. Like it way better without Cousins.
I don't like Ellis, period. I can't think of any type of contender that he could thrive on. We thought about sticking him beside Lebron, but the bad outweighs the good.
I have concerns about Carmelo sharing the ball with a high-assist PG. That's probably me just reacting poorly to ___-sanity, though. Carmelo hated sharing the ball there, but Rubio is a lot less ball-dominant than Carmelo's last PG.
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Obviously, there's a long way to go. However, if Miami can win a title with Ru Paul at center, I think Lebron can thrive with a superior defensive big man in the middle.
LeDiva wouldve choked the Boston series away without Bosh's help.
People keep propping up Lebron, but understand, the guy needed two top 20 players to finally win a title. I'd be nicer to Ru Paul, without him you'd just be spending another year explaining why Lebron won't choke.
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Obviously, there's a long way to go. However, if Miami can win a title with Ru Paul at center, I think Lebron can thrive with a superior defensive big man in the middle.
LeDiva wouldve choked the Boston series away without Bosh's help.
People keep propping up Lebron, but understand, the guy needed two top 20 players to finally win a title. I'd be nicer to Ru Paul, without him you'd just be spending another year explaining why Lebron won't choke.
Lebron couldn't single-handedly beat Boston, a team of three (and maybe four) Hall of Famers? I'm not sure that Jordan could beat the original Big Three by himself, either (despite dropping 63 points).
Make no mistake, though: Lebron beat Boston, and he came up insanely clutch. 45 points and 15 boards in Game 6, where he seemingly couldn't miss. 31 and 12 in the clincher. What was Wonderboy Wade doing in those games? Averaging 20 points on 41% shooting. That's pretty weak for a "superstar". Ru Paul was big in Game 7, but Games 5 and 6 were pretty pedestrian.
You could have taken any SG and PF in the top 1/3 of players at their position and Lebron still would have won a title. He was that dominant, and I expect that you know it. Crown him, because Lebron finally played like a king when it counted.
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Without Bosh playing tough, beyond what we though or knew he was capable of, LeBron is not a champion. you can't call bosh soft after those playoffs anymore than you can call Lebron a choke artist.
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Without Bosh playing tough, beyond what we though or knew he was capable of, LeBron is not a champion. you can't call bosh soft after those playoffs anymore than you can call Lebron a choke artist.
So if I hear you guys right, what you're saying is that neither Bosh nor Lebron could win a championship without each other?
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Without Bosh playing tough, beyond what we though or knew he was capable of, LeBron is not a champion. you can't call bosh soft after those playoffs anymore than you can call Lebron a choke artist.
No? You'll concede that Ru Paul had nothing to do with any of the first 3 wins, right? He was injured in two, and shot poorly in the third.
So, Ru Paul is now "tough" based upon one game? A game when he had exactly *one* inside bucket. Bosh wasn't pounding the ball inside, scoring against tough defense. Rather, he got hot, and hit a bunch of open shots. He was playing as far away from the basket as possible, bombing away on three pointers.
Or was it that tough interior defense he was playing against Boston's great interior combo of Jump Shooter #1 and Jump Shooter #2? Still, Boston's starting jump-shooting big men shot 60% in Game 7. Tough Guy Ru Paul wasn't using his toughness to shut people down.
Dude is soft. The fact that he shot some three pointers and allowed the guys he was guarding to score at a 60% clip doesn't disprove that.
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Without Bosh playing tough, beyond what we though or knew he was capable of, LeBron is not a champion. you can't call bosh soft after those playoffs anymore than you can call Lebron a choke artist.
So if I hear you guys right, what you're saying is that neither Bosh nor Lebron could win a championship without each other?
Lebron would have won a championship with probably 45 other big men other than Ru Paul. He just needed somebody competent. He won three games against Boston with either no contribution from Bosh, or a minimal one.
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Without Bosh playing tough, beyond what we though or knew he was capable of, LeBron is not a champion. you can't call bosh soft after those playoffs anymore than you can call Lebron a choke artist.
So if I hear you guys right, what you're saying is that neither Bosh nor Lebron could win a championship without each other?
Kinda. Basically I'm saying it's hypocritical to cast Lebron in this new light while not doing the same for Bosh. Kinda like how Kobe shed the 'can't win without Shaq' but casual basketball fans still called Pau soft.
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Without Bosh playing tough, beyond what we though or knew he was capable of, LeBron is not a champion. you can't call bosh soft after those playoffs anymore than you can call Lebron a choke artist.
So if I hear you guys right, what you're saying is that neither Bosh nor Lebron could win a championship without each other?
Kinda. Basically I'm saying it's hypocritical to cast Lebron in this new light while not doing the same for Bosh. Kinda like how Kobe shed the 'can't win without Shaq' but casual basketball fans still called Pau soft.
The dude was wearing a man purse during the finals
(http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Pau-Gasol-Purse.jpg)
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Houston Boxers
PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Paul George
SF:
PF:
C: Marcin Gortat
The Boxers are a happy pack.
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Without Bosh playing tough, beyond what we though or knew he was capable of, LeBron is not a champion. you can't call bosh soft after those playoffs anymore than you can call Lebron a choke artist.
So if I hear you guys right, what you're saying is that neither Bosh nor Lebron could win a championship without each other?
Kinda. Basically I'm saying it's hypocritical to cast Lebron in this new light while not doing the same for Bosh. Kinda like how Kobe shed the 'can't win without Shaq' but casual basketball fans still called Pau soft.
With all due respect, this is just silly.
Lebron elevated his game. He destroyed teams. He dominated in every single aspect of the game, from start to finish.
Bosh averaged 14 points and 8 boards in the playoffs while playing poor defense. He played away from the basket, and struggled to guard opposing bigs. He has a ring, but his contributions to that ring were only slightly more significant than Antoine's in 2006.
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Houston Boxers
PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Paul George
SF:
PF:
C: Marcin Gortat
The Boxers are a happy pack.
Can they win now, or are they a couple of years away?
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Houston Boxers
PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Paul George
SF:
PF:
C: Marcin Gortat
The Boxers are a happy pack.
Love the Westbrook and George combo. Also love the polish hammer. I think this could be a huge "i told you so" team if George develops into the superstar that many think he can be. ( though I'm not writing you off by any means)
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Without Bosh playing tough, beyond what we though or knew he was capable of, LeBron is not a champion. you can't call bosh soft after those playoffs anymore than you can call Lebron a choke artist.
So if I hear you guys right, what you're saying is that neither Bosh nor Lebron could win a championship without each other?
Kinda. Basically I'm saying it's hypocritical to cast Lebron in this new light while not doing the same for Bosh. Kinda like how Kobe shed the 'can't win without Shaq' but casual basketball fans still called Pau soft.
With all due respect, this is just silly.
Lebron elevated his game. He destroyed teams. He dominated in every single aspect of the game, from start to finish.
Bosh averaged 14 points and 8 boards in the playoffs while playing poor defense. He played away from the basket, and struggled to guard opposing bigs. He has a ring, but his contributions to that ring were pretty similar to Antoine's in 2006.
Bosh didn't play notably poor defense this post season with the exception of his first game back from his strain.
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Without Bosh playing tough, beyond what we though or knew he was capable of, LeBron is not a champion. you can't call bosh soft after those playoffs anymore than you can call Lebron a choke artist.
So if I hear you guys right, what you're saying is that neither Bosh nor Lebron could win a championship without each other?
Well done there, that's what I'm gathering thanks to this clarification!
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LeBron in all seriousness carried that team. Wade was a no show in every first half. Bosh had the game of his life behind the three point line in game 7.
James was a consistent 30 and 10. It was amazing. There is a reason Wade took the back seat to James. James surpassed him in every way and was without a doubt the best player on the court. Wade's athletic ability is declining before our eyes, his body might seriously be beginning to break down and worst thing is his game is not suited to deal with this.
He can't shoot threes and is inconsistent from far twos. Lebron created a lot for him this past post-season. In my opinion Wade is in the Kobe tier more then the LeBron tier.
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Funny Roy I wouldn't expect this level of ridiculous hyperbole and rhetoric until the playoffs. Chris Bosh is not soft, not with what he played through in the playoffs, and how he still managed despite the pain. And comparing him to Antoine in 06? You trying to set some sort of (with all due respect) record for crazy?
Are we in a playoffs matchup right now? Did i go on a mescalin binge for a few weeks and suddenly come-to? It would explain a lot. Nowhere else would Roy Hobbs be saying these (with all due respect) horribly silly and preposterous things. Does the movie inception have something to do with this? Flubber?
And Rondo, he's European, it's different!
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Without Bosh playing tough, beyond what we though or knew he was capable of, LeBron is not a champion. you can't call bosh soft after those playoffs anymore than you can call Lebron a choke artist.
So if I hear you guys right, what you're saying is that neither Bosh nor Lebron could win a championship without each other?
Kinda. Basically I'm saying it's hypocritical to cast Lebron in this new light while not doing the same for Bosh. Kinda like how Kobe shed the 'can't win without Shaq' but casual basketball fans still called Pau soft.
With all due respect, this is just silly.
Lebron elevated his game. He destroyed teams. He dominated in every single aspect of the game, from start to finish.
Bosh averaged 14 points and 8 boards in the playoffs while playing poor defense. He played away from the basket, and struggled to guard opposing bigs. He has a ring, but his contributions to that ring were pretty similar to Antoine's in 2006.
Bosh didn't play notably poor defense this post season with the exception of his first game back from his strain.
His defense was pretty poor. The reason it might not have been "notable" was because he played against some pretty poor PFs in the Heat's run. He got a hobbled Amare, and then Steve Novak. Amare still shot 56% against him, including 62% in the final three games. Next was David West for one game (West outplayed him). Then on to KG and Brandon Bass, neither of whom is a dominant inside player.
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Without Bosh playing tough, beyond what we though or knew he was capable of, LeBron is not a champion. you can't call bosh soft after those playoffs anymore than you can call Lebron a choke artist.
So if I hear you guys right, what you're saying is that neither Bosh nor Lebron could win a championship without each other?
Lebron would have won a championship with probably 45 other big men other than Ru Paul. He just needed somebody competent. He won three games against Boston with either no contribution from Bosh, or a minimal one.
OK, but three games doesn't win a playoff series. And the way Boston came out in game 7, Lebron loses that game without Chris Bosh. I'm not concerned with soft or not soft, what I know is that Lebron is still a choke artist who can't get it done in the postseason if Bosh didn't come back for games 6 and 7.
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Funny Roy I wouldn't expect this level of ridiculous hyperbole and rhetoric until the playoffs. Chris Bosh is not soft, not with what he played through in the playoffs, and how he still managed despite the pain. And comparing him to Antoine in 06? You trying to set some sort of (with all due respect) record for crazy?
Are we in a playoffs matchup right now? Did i go on a mescalin binge for a few weeks and suddenly come-to? It would explain a lot. Nowhere else would Roy Hobbs be saying these (with all due respect) horribly silly and preposterous things. Does the movie inception have something to do with this? Flubber?
And Rondo, he's European, it's different!
Antoine Walker, 2006 playoffs: 13.3 points, 5.6 rebounds
Chris "Ru Paul" Bosh, 2012 playoffs: 14.0 points, 7.8 rebounds
Not all that dissimilar, my friend.
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Without Bosh playing tough, beyond what we though or knew he was capable of, LeBron is not a champion. you can't call bosh soft after those playoffs anymore than you can call Lebron a choke artist.
So if I hear you guys right, what you're saying is that neither Bosh nor Lebron could win a championship without each other?
Lebron would have won a championship with probably 45 other big men other than Ru Paul. He just needed somebody competent. He won three games against Boston with either no contribution from Bosh, or a minimal one.
OK, but three games doesn't win a playoff series. And the way Boston came out in game 7, Lebron loses that game without Chris Bosh. I'm not concerned with soft or not soft, what I know is that Lebron is still a choke artist who can't get it done in the postseason if Bosh didn't come back for games 6 and 7.
Anyone who would have called Lebron a choke artist if the Heat had lost this year, after the way he played, should have their eyes plucked out and replaced by hot coals, because they don't deserve to watch the sport of basketball.
Miami would have won a title with probably 45+ other big men. Replace Lebron with any player in the league, including Durant, and the Heat fall short.
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Cant you guys just compromise and acknowledge that you each have starters with week stomachs?
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Bosh didn't play notably poor defense this post season with the exception of his first game back from his strain.
His defense was pretty poor. The reason it might not have been "notable" was because he played against some pretty poor PFs in the Heat's run. He got a hobbled Amare, and then Steve Novak. Amare still shot 56% against him, including 62% in the final three games. Next was David West for one game (West outplayed him). Then on to KG and Brandon Bass, neither of whom is a dominant inside player.
Roy, you're usually very convincing, but not so much here.
By what standards was it poor?
Your criticism of Bosh's defense is summed up by this:
-Well, he played against a hobbled player in round 1. (He can't help whether his opponent is hobbled or not)
-He was outplayed for one game by David West. (You're talking about the game Bosh got injured in the middle of and only played 15 minutes in! Even if so, one game doesn't say much.)
-KG is not a dominant inside player. (KG was a top 7 player of this postseason. And I know you watched the games, so I don't see how you missed him establishing low post presence frequently and doing work inside and outside all throughout the playoffs. Also, Bosh guarded KG immediately coming back from (probably prematurely considering the series score) an injury.)
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Funny Roy I wouldn't expect this level of ridiculous hyperbole and rhetoric until the playoffs. Chris Bosh is not soft, not with what he played through in the playoffs, and how he still managed despite the pain. And comparing him to Antoine in 06? You trying to set some sort of (with all due respect) record for crazy?
Are we in a playoffs matchup right now? Did i go on a mescalin binge for a few weeks and suddenly come-to? It would explain a lot. Nowhere else would Roy Hobbs be saying these (with all due respect) horribly silly and preposterous things. Does the movie inception have something to do with this? Flubber?
And Rondo, he's European, it's different!
Antoine Walker, 2006 playoffs: 13.3 points, 5.6 rebounds
Chris "Ru Paul" Bosh, 2012 playoffs: 14.0 points, 7.8 rebounds
Not all that dissimilar, my friend.
I'm not going to engage in how Chris Bosh is better than Walker in 2006 because frankly that's ridiculous.
I can't talk to you when you're worked up like this. Go have a warm glass of sanity, hug a kitten, watch a documentary by the BBC about jellyfish, and come back to the real world.
And when you stop referring to one of my players who returned premptively from injury to contribute to his team, likely saving their title run in the process despite great pain and suffering to himself as 'Ru Paul', I'll be happy to discuss this further. I know my awesome squad threatens you, but you can't let your fear rule you like this.
We miss you Roy. Well Edgar does. He wants you to come back.
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Without Bosh playing tough, beyond what we though or knew he was capable of, LeBron is not a champion. you can't call bosh soft after those playoffs anymore than you can call Lebron a choke artist.
So if I hear you guys right, what you're saying is that neither Bosh nor Lebron could win a championship without each other?
Lebron would have won a championship with probably 45 other big men other than Ru Paul. He just needed somebody competent. He won three games against Boston with either no contribution from Bosh, or a minimal one.
OK, but three games doesn't win a playoff series. And the way Boston came out in game 7, Lebron loses that game without Chris Bosh. I'm not concerned with soft or not soft, what I know is that Lebron is still a choke artist who can't get it done in the postseason if Bosh didn't come back for games 6 and 7.
Anyone who would have called Lebron a choke artist if the Heat had lost this year, after the way he played, should have their eyes plucked out and replaced by hot coals, because they don't deserve to watch the sport of basketball.
Miami would have won a title with probably 45+ other big men. Replace Lebron with any player in the league, including Durant, and the Heat fall short.
Lebron played very well amazingly this postseason (there you go, Roy, you're welcome). The "choke artist" label wouldn't be because he played poorly. It would simply remain from his past and the only thing that could rid him of that label is winning a title. If he didn't win one, again, alongside a top-5 player in the league, then he doesn't shed that label no matter how well he plays.
No way. 20 other of the game's top big men, sure. Not 45+. Without Bosh going off, Heat lose game 7 and Lebron still has no ring. I repeat, Lebron wouldn't have won the ring without Bosh.
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Proceed
"hug a kitten"
lol
tickled me a lil bit
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I think you can come back from injury and still be a soft basketball player. It was commendable for him to come back, but that doesn't change the fact that when he came back he didn't play a physical brand of basketball.
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Houston Boxers
PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Paul George
SF:
PF:
C: Marcin Gortat
The Boxers are a happy pack.
Would you consider moving Paul George back to his primary position at small forward?
I think George will play better at SF in the immediate sense vs SG. Having that extra quickness over his opponent. I think that will make his (work in progress) shot-creation skills more effective.
I think his shooting ability at SF with a quality SG alongside him (preferably a capable secondary ball-handler for Westbrook) would give your team the best balance offensively. I think that extra floor spacing and ball-handling will be important in getting the best out of Westbrook.
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Good man, Who, getting us back on track.
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I think people underestimate just how much Bosh opened up the floor for Miami offensively when he returned from injury.
How much harder it was for opponent teams to play effective team defense against Miami's offensive options (with a center like Bosh) and how many more good-to-high percentage shot attempts they conceded (to Miami as a whole team) due to Bosh's presence.
His impact (offensively) went far beyond the points he scored himself.
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I guess I have to put Cleveland here...
Cleveland Derps
Kyrie Irving
Andrew Bogut
David Lee
I don't know, that's a a solid front court and a young leader/superstar in the making.
(I'm seeing it already. Bogut will be judged because of injuries. Lets keep in mind that Bogut's injuries, while many, are not recurring, so chances that he stays injured is pretty much on par on chances that he stays healthy.)
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Denver Nuggets:
PG - Mike Conley Jr
SG -
SF -
PF - Carlos Boozer
C - Kevin Garnett
Thoughts?
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I guess I have to put Cleveland here...
Cleveland Derps
Kyrie Irving
Andrew Bogut
David Lee
I don't know, that's a a solid front court and a young leader/superstar in the making.
(I'm seeing it already. Bogut will be judged because of injuries. Lets keep in mind that Bogut's injuries, while many, are not recurring, so chances that he stays injured is pretty much on par on chances that he stays healthy.)
I'm a big Bogut fan and I think you actually got a steal where you got him.
I'm a huge David Lee hater and I actually think Golden State will end up moving him because he's not gonna be able to play next to Bogut. I just think with an actually capable rebounding defending and passing big man next to Lee, what he is actually bringing to the table will diminish.
Huge Kyrie Irving fan. Good luck in the Bogut debates.
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I think people underestimate just how much Bosh opened up the floor for Miami offensively when he returned from injury.
How much harder it was for opponent teams to play effective team defense against Miami's offensive options (with a center like Bosh) and how many more good-to-high percentage shot attempts they conceded (to Miami as a whole team) due to Bosh's presence.
His impact (offensively) went far beyond the points he scored himself.
It certainly did, most notably against the Celtics when KG was forced to respect his shot. But I'd argue that there isn't a lack of other good bigs that would've been able to create the same. We're 3 rounds deep in our own draft and there's still plenty of those types available.
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I think Bosh is a very good player, btw. I just agree that on the court he is soft, and I don't think Who's point about the spacing he created shows that much.
I think you put him against a strong, physical post player like a Marc Gasol or a Horford or a Nene and he's going to get murdered. Over and over and over again.
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I guess I have to put Cleveland here...
Cleveland Derps
Kyrie Irving
Andrew Bogut
David Lee
I don't know, that's a a solid front court and a young leader/superstar in the making.
(I'm seeing it already. Bogut will be judged because of injuries. Lets keep in mind that Bogut's injuries, while many, are not recurring, so chances that he stays injured is pretty much on par on chances that he stays healthy.)
I'm a big Bogut fan and I think you actually got a steal where you got him.
I'm a huge David Lee hater and I actually think Golden State will end up moving him because he's not gonna be able to play next to Bogut. I just think with an actually capable rebounding defending and passing big man next to Lee, what he is actually bringing to the table will diminish.
Huge Kyrie Irving fan. Good luck in the Bogut debates.
May I ask as to why you hate David Lee's game? Just for further references.
I mean, he does everything on offense. Bad help defender but a solid one-on-one interior defender. Runs the floor well, shoots at a high percentage and a very good rebounder. A good passer as well. I think Bogut and him fit perfectly, both are good passers and both can find people under the rim
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Pg-rubio
sg-monta
Sf-melo
Pf-ibaka
What do you think of the knicks
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I guess I have to put Cleveland here...
Cleveland Derps
Kyrie Irving
Andrew Bogut
David Lee
I don't know, that's a a solid front court and a young leader/superstar in the making.
(I'm seeing it already. Bogut will be judged because of injuries. Lets keep in mind that Bogut's injuries, while many, are not recurring, so chances that he stays injured is pretty much on par on chances that he stays healthy.)
I am very concerned about the decline in Bogut's offensive value post-injury. He struggled mightily his first year back and he showed no signs of improvement in the small number of games he played last season. Not convinced he is going to be able to regain his former levels of utility offensively.
Without that offensive value, I think his value declines quite a bit. Strictly a defender/rebounder with minimal offensive value rather than the three-dimensional player he was before the injury.
I gave Bogut the benefit of the doubt a year ago (that his offense would improve after another summer post-injury) but after seeing no progress this past season, I am taking a "prove it to me" stance on Bogut's offensive game.
I like David Lee more as a sixth man than a starter. I don't think he offers much advantage to his team as a starting PF in the NBA. As a starting C, he does offensively but he is a liability defensively.
I think his numbers will decline the more minutes he plays at PF (vs C) and decline further the more quality talent is put around him because he isn't a top tier player so his shot-attempts will go elsewhere (and it's not like he is adding value defensively).
I would consider bringing in another PF (even in a 20mpg starter's role) and moving David Lee to the bench where I think he'll be one of the best sixth men in the CB league.
Kyrie Irving is a terrific prospect. Excellent chance to be a top five PG down the road. Most definitely a keeper.
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I guess I have to put Cleveland here...
Cleveland Derps
Kyrie Irving
Andrew Bogut
David Lee
I don't know, that's a a solid front court and a young leader/superstar in the making.
(I'm seeing it already. Bogut will be judged because of injuries. Lets keep in mind that Bogut's injuries, while many, are not recurring, so chances that he stays injured is pretty much on par on chances that he stays healthy.)
I like David Lee more as a sixth man than a starter. I don't think he offers much advantage to his team as a starting PF in the NBA. As a starting C, he does offensively but he is a liability defensively.
I think his numbers will decline the more minutes he plays at PF (vs C) and decline further the more quality talent is put around him because he isn't a top tier player so his shot-attempts will go elsewhere (and it's not like he is adding value defensively).
I would consider bringing in another PF (even in a 20mpg starter's role) and moving David Lee to the bench where I think he'll be one of the best sixth men in the CB league.
Kyrie Irving is a terrific prospect. Excellent chance to be a top five PG down the road. Most definitely a keeper.
I disagree. David Lee is a starting caliber PF. He's a walking 20/10 on 50% shooting. He can score from anywhere on the court, either off the dribble, post or on pick and roll/pops or positioning himself under the rim. He's also a good passer. He's a good post defender, but not a good help or man to man defender, i'll give you that.
Is he really a sixth man? He basically offers the same, if not more on the table than other PF's drafted (and I mean no shots at these names) like Faried, Ibaka, Millsap and maybe to an extent, Pau and LMA.
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I guess I have to put Cleveland here...
Cleveland Derps
Kyrie Irving
Andrew Bogut
David Lee
I don't know, that's a a solid front court and a young leader/superstar in the making.
(I'm seeing it already. Bogut will be judged because of injuries. Lets keep in mind that Bogut's injuries, while many, are not recurring, so chances that he stays injured is pretty much on par on chances that he stays healthy.)
I like David Lee more as a sixth man than a starter. I don't think he offers much advantage to his team as a starting PF in the NBA. As a starting C, he does offensively but he is a liability defensively.
I think his numbers will decline the more minutes he plays at PF (vs C) and decline further the more quality talent is put around him because he isn't a top tier player so his shot-attempts will go elsewhere (and it's not like he is adding value defensively).
I would consider bringing in another PF (even in a 20mpg starter's role) and moving David Lee to the bench where I think he'll be one of the best sixth men in the CB league.
Kyrie Irving is a terrific prospect. Excellent chance to be a top five PG down the road. Most definitely a keeper.
I disagree. David Lee is a starting caliber PF. He's a walking 20/10 on 50% shooting. He can score from anywhere on the court, either off the dribble, post or on pick and roll/pops or positioning himself under the rim. He's also a good passer. He's a good post defender, but not a good help or man to man defender, i'll give you that.
Is he really a sixth man? He basically offers the same, if not more on the table than other PF's drafted (and I mean no shots at these names) like Faried, Ibaka, Millsap and maybe to an extent, Pau and LMA.
I agree that David Lee is a capable starting big at either big man position.
I disagree that he is a high level starter.
And I believe that his value to your team is higher as one of the league's best sixth men (as a backup PF/C) than as a capable starter (PF).
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I think Bosh is a very good player, btw. I just agree that on the court he is soft, and I don't think Who's point about the spacing he created shows that much.
I think you put him against a strong, physical post player like a Marc Gasol or a Horford or a Nene and he's going to get murdered. Over and over and over again.
I don't think this makes him soft, I think it makes him a typical power forward. And by the same token, if Gasol or Nene try guarding Bosh, he eviscerates them a dozen different ways.
Well like 5 different ways.
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If "Funniest Team" was a category. I'd win, no doubt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6LPGrxlyNw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IgXmvhX_9o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN0WqSeCKW8
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And sorry for making everyone read so much about Chris Bosh. That's the last ill say on it.
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Darn it, this is like the second draft in a row I've missed by a week and a half. When is the next one likely to happen?
Also, to make my post have some sembelance of value: I like Chris Bosh as a player very much. Sure, he's not a great defender, especially against physical players, but he's an incredible scorer and just efficent all-around offensively and has shown he doesn't have to be the man to be happy.
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The funny thing about that Kevin Love handshake video despite the actual joke is that it once again reminded me how much I hate Carmelo Anthony now.
I really liked that Knicks team with Gallo and Amare and other names not picked yet. The trade turned an overachieving feel good team into an underachieving entitled te you love to hate.
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I guess I have to put Cleveland here...
Cleveland Derps
Kyrie Irving
Andrew Bogut
David Lee
I don't know, that's a a solid front court and a young leader/superstar in the making.
(I'm seeing it already. Bogut will be judged because of injuries. Lets keep in mind that Bogut's injuries, while many, are not recurring, so chances that he stays injured is pretty much on par on chances that he stays healthy.)
I like David Lee more as a sixth man than a starter. I don't think he offers much advantage to his team as a starting PF in the NBA. As a starting C, he does offensively but he is a liability defensively.
I think his numbers will decline the more minutes he plays at PF (vs C) and decline further the more quality talent is put around him because he isn't a top tier player so his shot-attempts will go elsewhere (and it's not like he is adding value defensively).
I would consider bringing in another PF (even in a 20mpg starter's role) and moving David Lee to the bench where I think he'll be one of the best sixth men in the CB league.
Kyrie Irving is a terrific prospect. Excellent chance to be a top five PG down the road. Most definitely a keeper.
I disagree. David Lee is a starting caliber PF. He's a walking 20/10 on 50% shooting. He can score from anywhere on the court, either off the dribble, post or on pick and roll/pops or positioning himself under the rim. He's also a good passer. He's a good post defender, but not a good help or man to man defender, i'll give you that.
Is he really a sixth man? He basically offers the same, if not more on the table than other PF's drafted (and I mean no shots at these names) like Faried, Ibaka, Millsap and maybe to an extent, Pau and LMA.
I agree that David Lee is a capable starting big at either big man position.
I disagree that he is a high level starter.
And I believe that his value to your team is higher as one of the league's best sixth men (as a backup PF/C) than as a capable starter (PF).
I love your insights Who, but this time I respectfully disagree.
A 20/10 guy in his prime should be a sixth man on this team? I mean no disrespect but that's a bit off. He's producing close to same numbers and Aldrige, Pau and Bosh. He's a better player than Blake Griffin (IMO) in terms of what he can do more on the court. He's been consistent.
I see no reason why I shouldn't start him. He's very underrated because he's not a household name. But his production is better, better than some of the PF's that got drafted already. That's not a sixth man.
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I really liked that Knicks team with Gallo and Amare and other names not picked yet. The trade turned an overachieving feel good team into an underachieving entitled te you love to hate.
I didn't "like" them, but I definitely respected them for the same reason you mentioned. Especially after such terrible several seasons prior to that one and a very disappointing Summer of '10 when everyone thought they were getting Lebron.
And yeah, they are definitely now that underachieving entitled team you love to hate. Except for those few weeks of Lin-sanity when Melo was hurt! Haha, then Melo comes back and nobody likes them again.
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The problem with David Lee is that he was most productive in D'Antoni's system, while playing the 5, and while being the best player on the court.
When he's asked to play the 4 against other 4s he loses a lot of his advantages against opponents on offense, mainly his speed. He also has trouble defending 4s (and 5s, but that's mitigated on offense).
It's the same issue Gerald Wallace has playing the 3 instead of the 4, or Gallinari playing the 3. It's not that they can't do it, or aren't good at it, it's just that it mitigates some of their advantages.
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Houston Boxers
PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Paul George
SF:
PF:
C: Marcin Gortat
The Boxers are a happy pack.
Would you consider moving Paul George back to his primary position at small forward?
I think George will play better at SF in the immediate sense vs SG. Having that extra quickness over his opponent. I think that will make his (work in progress) shot-creation skills more effective.
I think his shooting ability at SF with a quality SG alongside him (preferably a capable secondary ball-handler for Westbrook) would give your team the best balance offensively. I think that extra floor spacing and ball-handling will be important in getting the best out of Westbrook.
Absolutely!!! If the right PG was available I might even consider moving Westbrook to SG. Have to see who is available later when the whole team is assembled. For now the Boxers are an extremely happy pack o' dogs with who we are running with. For all the talk of other groupings, the Boxerz feel we have our superduperstar that proved himself this post season and some significant complimentary parts.
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The problem with David Lee is that he was most productive in D'Antoni's system, while playing the 5, and while being the best player on the court.
When he's asked to play the 4 against other 4s he loses a lot of his advantages against opponents on offense, mainly his speed. He also has trouble defending 4s (and 5s, but that's mitigated on offense).
It's the same issue Gerald Wallace has playing the 3 instead of the 4, or Gallinari playing the 3. It's not that they can't do it, or aren't good at it, it's just that it mitigates some of their advantages.
He didn't seem to have a problem in The Bay player mostly at 4. He still produced at a high level.
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Could i get some comments on the knicks?
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Pg-rubio
sg-monta
Sf-melo
Pf-ibaka
What do you think of the knicks
I like this group a lot. In the past, I shared the same thoughts as a few others have mentioned that I just don't see Monta being a championship type player. I thought that for a while until about a year ago when I thought of what an amazing 6th man he'd be! Think Jason Terry x 2.
With Rubio, Melo, and hopefully a couple other capable players, you may have plenty of offense in your starting lineup already. Rubio can make your next two players better than they are if you choose the right players. Then, bring Monta off the bench as a backup 1/2 for 30-35mpg. You've got two great options for a few minutes, then an explosive go-to scorer in Monta when Melo is on the bench.
With Rubio playing an up-tempo game that Melo would actually be very good at (from what I've seen in Team USA), I'd be very intrigued if you could trade Ibaka for a taller defensive C, move Melo to PF, then draft some gunners on the wings. And have Monta Ellis off the bench. You'd struggle defending against the bigger PF/C combos, but I'd just advise you to counter with "who of those frontcourt players is going to guard Melo behind the arc?" and insist that he will torch them for 35 (maybe 40?) points easily. (Side note: Carmelo is a much better 3 pt shooter than his career % indicates. He has either forced up himself or been forced to take a lot of contested shots against opponents' best wing defenders while teammates stand and watch for most of his career.)
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The problem with David Lee is that he was most productive in D'Antoni's system, while playing the 5, and while being the best player on the court.
When he's asked to play the 4 against other 4s he loses a lot of his advantages against opponents on offense, mainly his speed. He also has trouble defending 4s (and 5s, but that's mitigated on offense).
It's the same issue Gerald Wallace has playing the 3 instead of the 4, or Gallinari playing the 3. It's not that they can't do it, or aren't good at it, it's just that it mitigates some of their advantages.
I like Wallace and Gallo as 4s myself. Lee put up some nice numbers this season. He still flirted with 20 & 10 and that's nothing to look down at imo.
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Could i get some comments on the knicks?
I would consider acquiring an skilled offensive center to put alongside Ibaka. Someone who can open up the paint for Carmelo to drive and/or post up.
I would also consider bringing Monta Ellis off the bench as a sixth man and starting a more defensively capable SG to start alongside Carmelo on the wing. Ellis would be a lethal combo guard off the bench.
I think the Rubio, Melo and Ibaka parts of the starting lineup are very good. Carmelo is a great scorer, strong rebounder and under-rated defender. Ibaka is a borderline top 10 PF with lots of room for improvement. Likewise with Rubio.
Both Rubio and Ibaka are very good facilitators who make their teammates better + Carmelo is an elite shot-creator / go-to scorer. I really enjoy that mix.
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The Dubs
Anthony Davis
Andre Iguodala
Manu Ginobili
(http://shatterthebackboard.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Warriors.jpg)
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Could i get some comments on the knicks?
Just me bro.
I love the Rubio pickup, but I still think Melo and Monta cancels each other out. I think Monta is a better fit. He can score in bunches like Melo, and can be effective off ball, offense wise. Melo still is an Iso guy and he will stop ball movement.
I suggest you acquire either a big man or a spot up shooter for either Melo or Monta, to maximize their abilities. I'd keep Monta if I were you.
My only concern is defense. Outside of Ibaka you have no consistent defender. While Rubio and Ellis can creat TO's, they're more of a gambler defenders, where they'd gamble on steals and either get it or give their man an open lane to go to. Melo's defense is okay at best.
Just me.
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The problem with David Lee is that he was most productive in D'Antoni's system, while playing the 5, and while being the best player on the court.
When he's asked to play the 4 against other 4s he loses a lot of his advantages against opponents on offense, mainly his speed. He also has trouble defending 4s (and 5s, but that's mitigated on offense).
It's the same issue Gerald Wallace has playing the 3 instead of the 4, or Gallinari playing the 3. It's not that they can't do it, or aren't good at it, it's just that it mitigates some of their advantages.
He didn't seem to have a problem in The Bay player mostly at 4. He still produced at a high level.
He played substantial minutes at the 4, but he also played a lot at the 5, in an uptempo system. He was next to Udoh and Tyler an awful lot.
Unless I'm missing something really critical, I'm not gonna believe he's a elite level 4 until he does it this season insight Bogut. Played better when not next to Biedrins, and Biedrins is a pretty poor rebounder.
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(Side note: Carmelo is a much better 3 pt shooter than his career % indicates. He has either forced up himself or been forced to take a lot of contested shots against opponents' best wing defenders while teammates stand and watch for most of his career.)
Yeah, Melo is a very good spot up shooter. It's a part of his game that really gets overlooked.
It's a shame he ends up taking so many contested jumpers.
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The problem with David Lee is that he was most productive in D'Antoni's system, while playing the 5, and while being the best player on the court.
When he's asked to play the 4 against other 4s he loses a lot of his advantages against opponents on offense, mainly his speed. He also has trouble defending 4s (and 5s, but that's mitigated on offense).
It's the same issue Gerald Wallace has playing the 3 instead of the 4, or Gallinari playing the 3. It's not that they can't do it, or aren't good at it, it's just that it mitigates some of their advantages.
He didn't seem to have a problem in The Bay player mostly at 4. He still produced at a high level.
He played substantial minutes at the 4, but he also played a lot at the 5, in an uptempo system. He was next to Udoh and Tyler an awful lot.
Unless I'm missing something really critical, I'm not gonna believe he's a elite level 4 until he does it this season insight Bogut. Played better when not next to Biedrins, and Biedrins is a pretty poor rebounder.
I'm not saying he's an elite 4. Im disagreeing to Who, when he said he should be a sixth man. He's a starting PF.
Udoh played center in those times BTW. Udoh gets the 5 when he's inside the court.
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Udoh might get listed at the 5, but it's Lee who plays it in effect.
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The problem with David Lee is that he was most productive in D'Antoni's system, while playing the 5, and while being the best player on the court.
When he's asked to play the 4 against other 4s he loses a lot of his advantages against opponents on offense, mainly his speed. He also has trouble defending 4s (and 5s, but that's mitigated on offense).
It's the same issue Gerald Wallace has playing the 3 instead of the 4, or Gallinari playing the 3. It's not that they can't do it, or aren't good at it, it's just that it mitigates some of their advantages.
He didn't seem to have a problem in The Bay player mostly at 4. He still produced at a high level.
He played substantial minutes at the 4, but he also played a lot at the 5, in an uptempo system. He was next to Udoh and Tyler an awful lot.
Unless I'm missing something really critical, I'm not gonna believe he's a elite level 4 until he does it this season insight Bogut. Played better when not next to Biedrins, and Biedrins is a pretty poor rebounder.
I'm not saying he's an elite 4. Im disagreeing to Who, when he said he should be a sixth man. He's a starting PF.
Udoh played center in those times BTW. Udoh gets the 5 when he's inside the court.
David lee averaged 20.1 and 9.6 With a PER of 19.81. There are only a handful of guys who can claim that. So what's the issue?
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The problem with David Lee is that he was most productive in D'Antoni's system, while playing the 5, and while being the best player on the court.
When he's asked to play the 4 against other 4s he loses a lot of his advantages against opponents on offense, mainly his speed. He also has trouble defending 4s (and 5s, but that's mitigated on offense).
It's the same issue Gerald Wallace has playing the 3 instead of the 4, or Gallinari playing the 3. It's not that they can't do it, or aren't good at it, it's just that it mitigates some of their advantages.
He didn't seem to have a problem in The Bay player mostly at 4. He still produced at a high level.
He played substantial minutes at the 4, but he also played a lot at the 5, in an uptempo system. He was next to Udoh and Tyler an awful lot.
Unless I'm missing something really critical, I'm not gonna believe he's a elite level 4 until he does it this season insight Bogut. Played better when not next to Biedrins, and Biedrins is a pretty poor rebounder.
I'm not saying he's an elite 4. Im disagreeing to Who, when he said he should be a sixth man. He's a starting PF.
Udoh played center in those times BTW. Udoh gets the 5 when he's inside the court.
David lee averaged 20.1 and 9.6 With a PER of 19.81. There are only a handful of guys who can claim that. So what's the issue?
He is a stat-padder on lousy teams who doesn't get his team enough wins.
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I may need to send a list to someone, as I may not be around to make the selection at 4.3. Any takers?
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The problem with David Lee is that he was most productive in D'Antoni's system, while playing the 5, and while being the best player on the court.
When he's asked to play the 4 against other 4s he loses a lot of his advantages against opponents on offense, mainly his speed. He also has trouble defending 4s (and 5s, but that's mitigated on offense).
It's the same issue Gerald Wallace has playing the 3 instead of the 4, or Gallinari playing the 3. It's not that they can't do it, or aren't good at it, it's just that it mitigates some of their advantages.
He didn't seem to have a problem in The Bay player mostly at 4. He still produced at a high level.
He played substantial minutes at the 4, but he also played a lot at the 5, in an uptempo system. He was next to Udoh and Tyler an awful lot.
Unless I'm missing something really critical, I'm not gonna believe he's a elite level 4 until he does it this season insight Bogut. Played better when not next to Biedrins, and Biedrins is a pretty poor rebounder.
I'm not saying he's an elite 4. Im disagreeing to Who, when he said he should be a sixth man. He's a starting PF.
Udoh played center in those times BTW. Udoh gets the 5 when he's inside the court.
David lee averaged 20.1 and 9.6 With a PER of 19.81. There are only a handful of guys who can claim that. So what's the issue?
He is a stat-padder on lousy teams who doesn't get his team enough wins.
I have a question then: what makes him different than Kevin Love, Kyrie Irving, Boogie Cousins, John Wall or Stephen Curry (not that it's the whole list, just my list of 'good players on bad teams')
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I may need to send a list to someone, as I may not be around to make the selection at 4.3. Any takers?
I'll take it. I got nothing else to do tommorow than make someone else's picks or destroy my squad with impulse trades.
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The problem with David Lee is that he was most productive in D'Antoni's system, while playing the 5, and while being the best player on the court.
When he's asked to play the 4 against other 4s he loses a lot of his advantages against opponents on offense, mainly his speed. He also has trouble defending 4s (and 5s, but that's mitigated on offense).
It's the same issue Gerald Wallace has playing the 3 instead of the 4, or Gallinari playing the 3. It's not that they can't do it, or aren't good at it, it's just that it mitigates some of their advantages.
He didn't seem to have a problem in The Bay player mostly at 4. He still produced at a high level.
He played substantial minutes at the 4, but he also played a lot at the 5, in an uptempo system. He was next to Udoh and Tyler an awful lot.
Unless I'm missing something really critical, I'm not gonna believe he's a elite level 4 until he does it this season insight Bogut. Played better when not next to Biedrins, and Biedrins is a pretty poor rebounder.
I'm not saying he's an elite 4. Im disagreeing to Who, when he said he should be a sixth man. He's a starting PF.
Udoh played center in those times BTW. Udoh gets the 5 when he's inside the court.
David lee averaged 20.1 and 9.6 With a PER of 19.81. There are only a handful of guys who can claim that. So what's the issue?
He is a stat-padder on lousy teams who doesn't get his team enough wins.
I have a question then: what makes him different than Kevin Love, Kyrie Irving, Boogie Cousins, John Wall or Stephen Curry (not that it's the whole list, just my list of 'good players on bad teams')
Essentially -- the ability to be effective in terms of offense, defense and rebounding against high quality opposition.
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Good point.
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I have a question then: what makes him different than Kevin Love, Kyrie Irving, Boogie Cousins, John Wall or Stephen Curry (not that it's the whole list, just my list of 'good players on bad teams')
For the record - here is how I would rate each of those players
- Cousins is a stat padder too. Terrific prospect. I take nothing away from him in terms of potential. But current ability? His impact in the W-L column right now? It's minimal. Too many wasted possessions offensively and failed assignments defensively.
- I rate Irving as a slightly above average starting PG. Irving is a very strong scorer but his non-scoring contributions are too weak and hold him back.
- John Wall's entire game needs work. Below average starter.
- Steph Curry - one of the most effective offensive PGs in the league and capable of being an average defender/rebounder in the right environment with some work. I have #8 amongst PGs.
- Kevin Love - has improved his offensive game considerably since entering the league. Made some inroads defensively too last season. A terrific rebounder. Still a weak defender. One of the more talented offensive PFs in the league. I still view him more as a 2nd option than a franchise star though
David Lee - as a slightly below average starting PF.
A limited defender. A good but unexceptional rebounder who pads his stats on lousy rebounding teams + never boxes out and gives up way too many rebounds due to his lax attitude. A good but unexceptional offensive player. Not quick enough to beat his man off the dribble regularly enough. Not strong enough or skilled enough to beat his man in the post. A solid but unexceptional jump-shot. So a solid but limited shot-creator who is ill-equipped to be a top two offensive option on a title contender. A 15-16ppg scorer on mediocre scoring efficiency (as a PF) on a good team caliber offensive player.
Was more effective (as a game-changer) back in NY under Isiah Thomas when he came off the bench. A much more aggressive rebounder. Wasn't so focused on his own scoring and making sure "he got his". If you could get him back in that role (with his improved offense) and have him accept being a 13-14ppg and 11rpg guy in 34mpg, he'd be a more positive contributor to his team than the way he is playing currently. Heck, even if you failed to convince him to do that ... he'd still be better able to take advantage of his offensive skill-set because he'd be playing against lesser defensive players more often + you can spot and choose his minutes at PF and C easier to find the more effective matchup for him. He'll give you more effective scoring + better defense/rebounding contributions due to more time spent against lesser quality players.
It's not that David Lee cannot start. He is a good starter.
It is that he offers your team more as a 6th man. Limits his weaknesses, maximizes his strengths. Larger net-positive.
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@Who
David Lee did not pad his stats against lower level competition. He can rebound with the best of them. He gives a lot on the offense, he can post, shoot midrange, pick and roll/pop, crash the boards that other starting PF don't do.
I agree, defense is a concern, which is why he has Bogut (here and in real life) to help him out. But to say that what he can do on offense will limited if he's a starter is (with all due respect Who) is absurd. These stats, he had while starting, against low and high level competition. He's been consistent.
David Lee is not a below average PF. He can do more than Blake Grifin and Serge Ibaka could (yeah I said it) and some consider them top 10 fowards.
For what he produces, if it's better for him to be off the bench then there better be someone who produces more to start over him.
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The Dubs
Anthony Davis
Andre Iguodala
Manu Ginobili
(http://thefeed.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/04/19/warriors.jpg)
Okay, Who just CLOSED THE BOOK on David Lee. (Wow.) And since I spent a half hour updating the trade board instead of picking fights, I expect a couple of responses. Unless we're planning on getting real serious about Jarrett Jack next?
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Udoh might get listed at the 5, but it's Lee who plays it in effect.
Nope. Trust me, we don't miss Dubs games at work and home. Udoh plays 5 on both ends, and we actually cringe everytime he does so because he gets overpowered. But he plays 5.
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PG: Nene
SG: ?
SF: ?
PF: Lamarcus Alridge
C: Al Horford
I feel like all of these guys are at their best when they are playing PF.
Al Horford has literally played his entire career at Center and been an All NBA player doing it.
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PG: Nene
SG: ?
SF: ?
PF: Lamarcus Alridge
C: Al Horford
I feel like all of these guys are at their best when they are playing PF.
Al Horford has literally played his entire career at Center and been an All NBA player doing it.
I do love that despite hating on me for drafting three power forwards last summer you're now running out three power forwards. Does that make me a bad person?
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The Dubs
Anthony Davis
Andre Iguodala
Manu Ginobili
(http://thefeed.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/04/19/warriors.jpg)
Okay, Who just CLOSED THE BOOK on David Lee. (Wow.) And since I spent a half hour updating the trade board instead of picking fights, I expect a couple of responses. Unless we're planning on getting real serious about Jarrett Jack next?
So Im assuing your are using Manu as the SG AI as the SF. Any thought to playing Manu at PG and getting a spot up shooter between AI and Manu? I think they are both good enough facilitators to make it work.
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The Hawks
PG: TBD
SG: Kobe
SF: TBD
PF: David West
C : Timmmy
In order to get these three I had to trade up and as a result have no 4th rounder, so im going to have to be very skilled to fill out the roster well. But when you start at 18 you gotta be creative.
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The Dubs
Anthony Davis
Andre Iguodala
Manu Ginobili
So Im assuing your are using Manu as the SG AI as the SF. Any thought to playing Manu at PG and getting a spot up shooter between AI and Manu? I think they are both good enough facilitators to make it work.
I think Manu can play the PG offensively but I am not convinced he can defend the position anymore. Some decline there physically. Still in good shape but I'm doubtful he can still play PG full time.
Iggy could defend the point if you really wanted him too but I'd rather keep him available to defend top notch wings. I think that is a better use of him.
I think the Warriors would be better off bringing in a PG. Or a scoring combo guard who can defend the PG but plays more like a SG offensively. Let Iggy and Manu take the playmaking off his shoulders.
On a side note, Monta Ellis could have been a good fit here.
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PG: Nene
SG: ?
SF: ?
PF: Lamarcus Alridge
C: Al Horford
I feel like all of these guys are at their best when they are playing PF.
Al Horford has literally played his entire career at Center and been an All NBA player doing it.
Plus Aldridge has always put up his best offensive numbers at the C position.
I think Nene has morphed into a better player at C as he's aged a bit but its closer than with Aldridge.
Who is the "Center" and who is the "PF" among the three isn't a big deal to me, that's your three main big man rotation and its a very good one.
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The Dubs
Anthony Davis
Andre Iguodala
Manu Ginobili
(http://thefeed.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/04/19/warriors.jpg)
Okay, Who just CLOSED THE BOOK on David Lee. (Wow.) And since I spent a half hour updating the trade board instead of picking fights, I expect a couple of responses. Unless we're planning on getting real serious about Jarrett Jack next?
I love the passing on this team. That said, can either Manu or AI2 be a primary scorer these days?
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PG: Nene
SG: ?
SF: ?
PF: Lamarcus Alridge
C: Al Horford
I feel like all of these guys are at their best when they are playing PF.
Al Horford has literally played his entire career at Center and been an All NBA player doing it.
Plus Aldridge has always put up his best offensive numbers at the C position.
I think Nene has morphed into a better player at C as he's aged a bit but its closer than with Aldridge.
Who is the "Center" and who is the "PF" among the three isn't a big deal to me, that's your three main big man rotation and its a very good one.
I still like the mismatches that Nene creates as a PG
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On a side note, Monta Ellis could have been a good fit here.
That's the first time I've ever heard those words uttered. ;)
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Is there any way I can buy a Roy H insight for a TP? I kind of need some to be able to know what to do moving forward.
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Is there any way I can buy a Roy H insight for a TP? I kind of need some to be able to know what to do moving forward.
I love Kyrie Irving. I think he's the next superstar PG in the NBA. He'll never distribute like Rondo or Nash, but I think he'll eventually be a Derrick Rose type: he'll score a ton of points efficiently, and he'll get you 8 assists or so.
I think Irving is good enough to win now, but I had liked the direction you were going with Monroe and Irving. Why did you break that up again?
I think, if healthy, Bogut and Lee works fine as a combination. They'll be excellent on the boards, and Bogut can cover for some of Lee's issues. I guess in an ideal world, you'd want a more mobile PF who can shut things down on the perimeter a bit (a KG / Ibaka / Smith / Lebron type), because Lee is going to struggle there. Also, they could get in each other's way a bit inside, although in the past I believe that Lee has shown more ability to shoot from outside than he did last year.
No more trades unless you have a clear objective in mind! I'd look for a wing who can both handle the ball and shoot, and who plays good defense. You might now get that all in one player, but you should have some options.
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The Hawks
PG: TBD
SG: Kobe
SF: TBD
PF: David West
C : Timmmy
In order to get these three I had to trade up and as a result have no 4th rounder, so im going to have to be very skilled to fill out the roster well. But when you start at 18 you gotta be creative.
Nothing? comonnnnnnnn
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Is there any way I can buy a Roy H insight for a TP? I kind of need some to be able to know what to do moving forward.
I love Kyrie Irving. I think he's the next superstar PG in the NBA. He'll never distribute like Rondo or Nash, but I think he'll eventually be a Derrick Rose type: he'll score a ton of points efficiently, and he'll get you 8 assists or so.
I think Irving is good enough to win now, but I had liked the direction you were going with Monroe and Irving. Why did you break that up again?
I think, if healthy, Bogut and Lee works fine as a combination. They'll be excellent on the boards, and Bogut can cover for some of Lee's issues. I guess in an ideal world, you'd want a more mobile PF who can shut things down on the perimeter a bit (a KG / Ibaka / Smith / Lebron type), because Lee is going to struggle there. Also, they could get in each other's way a bit inside, although in the past I believe that Lee has shown more ability to shoot from outside than he did last year.
No more trades unless you have a clear objective in mind! I'd look for a wing who can both handle the ball and shoot, and who plays good defense. You might now get that all in one player, but you should have some options.
The Monroe trade, as IP said is a panic move. I thought I won't have anything else with the players getting picked. I gambled and got, basically this.
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The Hawks
PG: TBD
SG: Kobe
SF: TBD
PF: David West
C : Timmmy
In order to get these three I had to trade up and as a result have no 4th rounder, so im going to have to be very skilled to fill out the roster well. But when you start at 18 you gotta be creative.
Nothing? comonnnnnnnn
As I've stated, I'm really not a Kobe guy at all but I really like this team. I thought the Bosh-Duncan exchange was a wise one, and I think West plays off those two well.
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The Hawks
PG: TBD
SG: Kobe
SF: TBD
PF: David West
C : Timmmy
In order to get these three I had to trade up and as a result have no 4th rounder, so im going to have to be very skilled to fill out the roster well. But when you start at 18 you gotta be creative.
Nothing? comonnnnnnnn
I think the strengths are pretty apparent. Can that team get out and run with younger, more athletic teams, though?
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The Hawks
PG: TBD
SG: Kobe
SF: TBD
PF: David West
C : Timmmy
In order to get these three I had to trade up and as a result have no 4th rounder, so im going to have to be very skilled to fill out the roster well. But when you start at 18 you gotta be creative.
Nothing? comonnnnnnnn
I think the strengths are pretty apparent. Can that team get out and run with younger, more athletic teams, though?
Team is definitly built for the playoffs. Slow it down, run half court sets and defend for 24 seconds.
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The Hawks
PG: TBD
SG: Kobe
SF: TBD
PF: David West
C : Timmmy
In order to get these three I had to trade up and as a result have no 4th rounder, so im going to have to be very skilled to fill out the roster well. But when you start at 18 you gotta be creative.
Nothing? comonnnnnnnn
I think the strengths are pretty apparent. Can that team get out and run with younger, more athletic teams, though?
Team is definitly built for the playoffs. Slow it down, run half court sets and defend for 24 seconds.
Are any of Kobe, Duncan, and West still elite defenders? They all were in the past, but I think they've lost a collective step or three. (And no, I don't care that Kobe may the All Defense team; that's a joke.)
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The Hawks
PG: TBD
SG: Kobe
SF: TBD
PF: David West
C : Timmmy
In order to get these three I had to trade up and as a result have no 4th rounder, so im going to have to be very skilled to fill out the roster well. But when you start at 18 you gotta be creative.
Nothing? comonnnnnnnn
I think the strengths are pretty apparent. Can that team get out and run with younger, more athletic teams, though?
Team is definitly built for the playoffs. Slow it down, run half court sets and defend for 24 seconds.
Are any of Kobe, Duncan, and West still elite defenders? They all were in the past, but I think they've lost a collective step or three. (And no, I don't care that Kobe may the All Defense team; that's a joke.)
Maybe not elite but probably still all very good. And in spurts I think they are definitely capable of being elite. Like at the end of the game when they need a stop I wouldnt doubt Kobe and Timmy.
Basically, my thinking is in a close game in the playoffs im not going to doubt the ability of two of the three winningest players of the last 10+ years to come out on top
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The Hawks
PG: TBD
SG: Kobe
SF: TBD
PF: David West
C : Timmmy
In order to get these three I had to trade up and as a result have no 4th rounder, so im going to have to be very skilled to fill out the roster well. But when you start at 18 you gotta be creative.
Nothing? comonnnnnnnn
I think the strengths are pretty apparent. Can that team get out and run with younger, more athletic teams, though?
Team is definitly built for the playoffs. Slow it down, run half court sets and defend for 24 seconds.
One of the things I really like about this three man core is how easy those guys are to play with. How many doors they open up for you in choosing your next few player.
Kobe Bryant isn't necessarily the easiest guy in the world to play with but I think putting two guys like Tim Duncan and David West alongside him smooths that out a lot.
Tim Duncan is one of the best offensive facilitators at the center position in the NBA today. His play in the high post (shooting, passing) and in the pick and roll create a lot of opportunities for his teammates. Can still give you some post scoring especially against weaker defenders.
David West is a high level midrange and long two point jump shooter who is a very cerebral player who along with Duncan will create terrific spacing for your team offensively. They will also combine to give your team a physical presence in the paint which is very nice also.
And then back to Kobe who is a high level ball-handler and playmaker in addition to be a highly skilled shot-creator and prolific scorer. Those playmaking skills give you a lot of options in who you put alongside him at PG or SF.
Overall, I just think that they will ... allow you to find better value picks in the later rounds than most other teams can because of how well those three players can make different types of players work alongside them.
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The Hawks
PG: TBD
SG: Kobe
SF: TBD
PF: David West
C : Timmmy
In order to get these three I had to trade up and as a result have no 4th rounder, so im going to have to be very skilled to fill out the roster well. But when you start at 18 you gotta be creative.
Nothing? comonnnnnnnn
I think the strengths are pretty apparent. Can that team get out and run with younger, more athletic teams, though?
Team is definitly built for the playoffs. Slow it down, run half court sets and defend for 24 seconds.
One of the things I really like about this three man core is how easy those guys are to play with. How many doors they open up for you in choosing your next few player.
Kobe Bryant isn't necessarily the easiest guy in the world to play with but I think putting two guys like Tim Duncan and David West alongside him smooths that out a lot.
Tim Duncan is one of the best offensive facilitators at the center position in the NBA today. His play in the high post (shooting, passing) and in the pick and roll create a lot of opportunities for his teammates. Can still give you some post scoring especially against weaker defenders.
David West is a high level midrange and long two point jump shooter who is a very cerebral player who along with Duncan will create terrific spacing for your team offensively. They will also combine to give your team a physical presence in the paint which is very nice also.
And then back to Kobe who is a high level ball-handler and playmaker in addition to be a highly skilled shot-creator and prolific scorer. Those playmaking skills give you a lot of options in who you put alongside him at PG or SF.
Overall, I just think that they will ... allow you to find better value picks in the later rounds than most other teams can because of how well those three players can make different types of players work alongside them.
Thanks Who, one thing that I was worried about in Duncan and West was that i thought their skills might be a bit redundant in that they are both excellent shooters for their position but neither are dominant low post offensive players.
Course then I looked to see who is a dominant low post scorer in the NBA and there arent too many
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The Hawks
PG: TBD
SG: Kobe
SF: TBD
PF: David West
C : Timmmy
In order to get these three I had to trade up and as a result have no 4th rounder, so im going to have to be very skilled to fill out the roster well. But when you start at 18 you gotta be creative.
Nothing? comonnnnnnnn
I think the strengths are pretty apparent. Can that team get out and run with younger, more athletic teams, though?
Team is definitly built for the playoffs. Slow it down, run half court sets and defend for 24 seconds.
Rondo you need some athletes and a pg who can distribute the ball and doesn't have a problem telling a Hall of Famer to shut his mouth and set up the offense.
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Denver Nuggets:
PG - Mike Conley Jr
SG - O.J. Mayo
SF -
PF - Carlos Boozer
C - Kevin Garnett
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
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Denver Nuggets:
PG - Mike Conley Jr
SG - O.J. Mayo
SF -
PF - Carlos Boozer
C - Kevin Garnett
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
Not a fan of the backcourt.
A Boozer/Garnett frontcout would be very interesting to watch.
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Denver Nuggets:
PG - Mike Conley Jr
SG - O.J. Mayo
SF -
PF - Carlos Boozer
C - Kevin Garnett
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
I wonder if a purer shooter might be a better option at SG? Don't know how I feel about Mayo.
Boozer/Garnett is an intriguing combo. Does Boozer play in the blocks/back to the basket anymore? Or will both of them operate out of the high post?
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Denver Nuggets:
PG - Mike Conley Jr
SG - O.J. Mayo
SF -
PF - Carlos Boozer
C - Kevin Garnett
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
I wonder if a purer shooter might be a better option at SG? Don't know how I feel about Mayo.
Boozer/Garnett is an intriguing combo. Does Boozer play in the blocks/back to the basket anymore? Or will both of them operate out of the high post?
From the games I watched last season, BOTH could play either/or.
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Denver Nuggets:
PG - Mike Conley Jr
SG - O.J. Mayo
SF -
PF - Carlos Boozer
C - Kevin Garnett
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
That back court didn't really shine in Memphis. Maybe use a Mayo as a sixth man? I like Boozer and KG. Each does well at what the other doesn't. Pretty complimentary. Still with KG minutes are an issue so you need a good backup 4/5.
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PG: Nene
SG: ?
SF: ?
PF: Lamarcus Alridge
C: Al Horford
I feel like all of these guys are at their best when they are playing PF.
Al Horford has literally played his entire career at Center and been an All NBA player doing it.
I do love that despite hating on me for drafting three power forwards last summer you're now running out three power forwards. Does that make me a bad person?
Only because you're calling an All NBA center a PF.
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KC, your Lakers squad is looking good. Gay will work much better with a PG like Jrue, I think.
Rebus and I like how things are taking shape, but we still have plans for improvement.
PG: Chris Paul
SG: Wes Matthews
SF:
PF: Andy Varejao
C: Nene
AV and Nene may switch assignments on defense. We like CP3 and Nene in the pick and roll, with Andy crashing the offensive boards and Wes on the perimeter to knock down open shots.
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Denver Nuggets:
PG - Mike Conley Jr
SG - O.J. Mayo
SF -
PF - Carlos Boozer
C - Kevin Garnett
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
That back court didn't really shine in Memphis. Maybe use a Mayo as a sixth man? I like Boozer and KG. Each does well at what the other doesn't. Pretty complimentary. Still with KG minutes are an issue so you need a good backup 4/5.
O.J/Conley didn't shine in MEM due to the need for scoring off the bench. Thus, TA was moved to starter to balance offensive production - similar to what OKC has with James Harden.
With MY lineup, O.J gets plenty of touches..he is easily the number 1 or 2 choice offensively for us.
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Denver Nuggets:
PG - Mike Conley Jr
SG - O.J. Mayo
SF -
PF - Carlos Boozer
C - Kevin Garnett
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
That back court didn't really shine in Memphis. Maybe use a Mayo as a sixth man? I like Boozer and KG. Each does well at what the other doesn't. Pretty complimentary. Still with KG minutes are an issue so you need a good backup 4/5.
O.J/Conley didn't shine in MEM due to the need for scoring off the bench. Thus, TA was moved to starter to balance offensive production - similar to what OKC has with James Harden.
With MY lineup, O.J gets plenty of touches..he is easily the number 1 or 2 choice offensively for us.
Mayo didn't get moved to the bench for more scoring punch. He was getting outplayed by Allen because the team needed more possession creation and defense from their SG position.
I do think Mayo will be better than his past two years if you're giving him a starting role and touches. He responded incredibly poorly to being move to a combo guard scorer role from the pine.
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Is there any way I can buy a Roy H insight for a TP? I kind of need some to be able to know what to do moving forward.
I love Kyrie Irving. I think he's the next superstar PG in the NBA. He'll never distribute like Rondo or Nash, but I think he'll eventually be a Derrick Rose type: he'll score a ton of points efficiently, and he'll get you 8 assists or so.
Love Kyrie as well. I liken him more to Chris Paul than Rose b/c he plays more with his bball IQ than sheer explosiveness like Rose. Also more comparable in the aspect of 3 point shooting. Rose has certainly made huge strides in his 3 point shooting, but I still would play him more for the drive whereas Kyrie and CP have to be played more honestly behind the arc.
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Denver Nuggets:
PG - Mike Conley Jr
SG - O.J. Mayo
SF -
PF - Carlos Boozer
C - Kevin Garnett
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
That back court didn't really shine in Memphis. Maybe use a Mayo as a sixth man? I like Boozer and KG. Each does well at what the other doesn't. Pretty complimentary. Still with KG minutes are an issue so you need a good backup 4/5.
O.J/Conley didn't shine in MEM due to the need for scoring off the bench. Thus, TA was moved to starter to balance offensive production - similar to what OKC has with James Harden.
With MY lineup, O.J gets plenty of touches..he is easily the number 1 or 2 choice offensively for us.
Mayo didn't get moved to the bench for more scoring punch. He was getting outplayed by Allen because the team needed more possession creation and defense from their SG position.
I do think Mayo will be better than his past two years if you're giving him a starting role and touches. He responded incredibly poorly to being move to a combo guard scorer role from the pine.
Well, I suppose that this lineup choice will be judged with more clarity once O.J. has played a few games in DAL, then.
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This team is planning to be in the playoffs this year!
The Pacers
PG Rondo
SF (or SG) Batum
PF Scola
C Monroe
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New Cleveland Derps after trades and such.
Kyrie Irving
Thaddeus Young
Anthony Randolph
Andrew Bogut.
I mean, that's a very solid defensive crew. Youngsters and can run the floor. Not bad right?
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New Cleveland Derps after trades and such.
Kyrie Irving
Thaddeus Young
Anthony Randolph
Andrew Bogut.
I mean, that's a very solid defensive crew. Youngsters and can run the floor. Not bad right?
Beyond Bogut, I don't see the defense.
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New Cleveland Derps after trades and such.
Kyrie Irving
Thaddeus Young
Anthony Randolph
Andrew Bogut.
I mean, that's a very solid defensive crew. Youngsters and can run the floor. Not bad right?
Young is a better PF then SF and a better PF then Randolph.
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Through 4 rounds and with the 2nd pick tomorrow:
San Antonio Spurs:
C: Brook Lopez
PF: Taj Gibson
SF:
SG: James Harden
PG: John Wall
Gonna have a tough time picking the right SF, lots of thinking to do.
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Through 4 rounds and with the 2nd pick tomorrow:
San Antonio Spurs:
C: Brook Lopez
PF: Taj Gibson
SF:
SG: James Harden
PG: John Wall
Gonna have a tough time picking the right SF, lots of thinking to do.
With the question marks around Wall and Lopez, could be the ultimate "told you so" team.
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Through 4 rounds and with the 2nd pick tomorrow:
San Antonio Spurs:
C: Brook Lopez
PF: Taj Gibson
SF:
SG: James Harden
PG: John Wall
Gonna have a tough time picking the right SF, lots of thinking to do.
In great shape for Team of the Future ... hard to imagine anyone topping this.
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Pg-rubio
Sg-
Sf-melo
Pf-bargs
C-ibaka
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New Cleveland Derps after trades and such.
Kyrie Irving
Thaddeus Young
Anthony Randolph
Andrew Bogut.
I mean, that's a very solid defensive crew. Youngsters and can run the floor. Not bad right?
Beyond Bogut, I don't see the defense.
Really? Young is a solid perimeter defender. Randolph is a pretty good shot blocker and good on the passing lanes.
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Love the dynamics of my team. Pick and roll with Melo Rubio/pick and pop. Pick and roll/pop with Bargs. Ibaka Shot blocker/help side defender. High scoring offense. Love this team Gomes and I have put together. Plus we have three 5th round picks coming up. Good spot to be in.
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Love the dynamics of my team. Pick and roll with Melo Rubio/pick and pop. Pick and roll/pop with Bargs. Ibaka Shot blocker/help side defender. High scoring offense. Love this team Gomes and I have put together. Plus we have three 5th round picks coming up. Good spot to be in.
I cringe at the fact that Ibaka alone will have to handle the defense in your frontcourt. He's not Tyson Chandler unfortunately, he's gonna have a battle on the front court.
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Okc thunder
Pg:
Sg: Monta Ellis
Sf: Kawhi Leonard
Pf: Blake Griffin
C: Marc Gasol
Thoughts?
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Feel like Bargs is a 7 footer he can some what handle his own, a long with ibaka helping out.. he avg. 3.3 blocks a game.. Plus this draft is far from over.
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Okc thunder
Pg:
Sg: Monta Ellis
Sf: Kawhi Leonard
Pf: Blake Griffin
C: Marc Gasol
Thoughts?
Not sure how to explain it other than to say it kinda fits. Nice.
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Okc thunder
Pg:
Sg: Monta Ellis
Sf: Kawhi Leonard
Pf: Blake Griffin
C: Marc Gasol
Thoughts?
I like Blake Griffin and Marc Gasol. They'll play really well together. Kawhi Leonard is a fine young forward. The frontcourt is in great shape with those three guys.
The jury is still out on Monta Ellis. Depends on how you fill out your backcourt.
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Okc thunder
Pg:
Sg: Monta Ellis
Sf: Kawhi Leonard
Pf: Blake Griffin
C: Marc Gasol
Thoughts?
I think a lot rides on the PG. I like the skill and talent of your forwards/bigs. You'll need someone who can run the offense and make sure that Monta doesn't end up dominating the ball to the exclusion of his teammates.
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Thoughts on my team? If you are going to criticize try and be constructive about it (ie tell me ways in which I could improve it).
Team is listed in the signature.
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Thoughts on my team? If you are going to criticize try and be constructive about it (ie tell me ways in which I could improve it).
Team is listed in the signature.
I don't think Jeremy Lin is a long-term viable starting PG in the NBA. Not a bad guy to have off the bench but not someone who should be starting, IMO.
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Pg-rubio
Sg-
Sf-melo
Pf-bargs
C-ibaka
Offense will not be a problem. Rubio will be able to create for others, and you have good shooting from Bargs and Melo.
I think this team absolutely needs an elite defender at the 2.
Rubio will be a little slower/weaker as he recovers (hopefully fully) from that knee injury. Melo can play passable defense, but Bargnani is a real negative in that respect. It's possible Ibaka may end up committing fouls trying to recover from the overall porous defense of his teammates.
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Through 4 rounds and with the 2nd pick tomorrow:
San Antonio Spurs:
C: Brook Lopez
PF: Taj Gibson
SF:
SG: James Harden
PG: John Wall
Gonna have a tough time picking the right SF, lots of thinking to do.
Hands down front runner for team of the future. Very nice job constructing of your team.
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Thoughts on my team? If you are going to criticize try and be constructive about it (ie tell me ways in which I could improve it).
Team is listed in the signature.
Brooklyn Nets
1. Jeremy Lin
2. Kevin Martin
3. Wilson Chandler
4. Ryan Anderson/Kenneth Faried
5. DeMarcus Cousins
Next pick 6.6, 6.22
Has a lot of potential to score a ton of points, not very many ego clashes at all, defense is a huge concern.
A lot like the pre-Melo Knicks.
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Thoughts on my team? If you are going to criticize try and be constructive about it (ie tell me ways in which I could improve it).
Team is listed in the signature.
I don't think Jeremy Lin is a long-term viable starting PG in the NBA. Not a bad guy to have off the bench but not someone who should be starting, IMO.
Well I guess we're going to see next season. I think he is.
In the vein of keeping the criticism constructive if you were me you would pick another pg with your next selection?
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Thoughts on my team? If you are going to criticize try and be constructive about it (ie tell me ways in which I could improve it).
Team is listed in the signature.
Brooklyn Nets
1. Jeremy Lin
2. Kevin Martin
3. Wilson Chandler
4. Ryan Anderson/Kenneth Faried
5. DeMarcus Cousins
Next pick 6.6, 6.22
Has a lot of potential to score a ton of points, not very many ego clashes at all, defense is a huge concern.
A lot like the pre-Melo Knicks.
Do you think it's more important to add wing defense or post defense to make my team better?
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KC, your Lakers squad is looking good. Gay will work much better with a PG like Jrue, I think.
Rebus and I like how things are taking shape, but we still have plans for improvement.
PG: Chris Paul
SG: Wes Matthews
SF:
PF: Andy Varejao
C: Nene
AV and Nene may switch assignments on defense. We like CP3 and Nene in the pick and roll, with Andy crashing the offensive boards and Wes on the perimeter to knock down open shots.
I like how this team is shaping up. I think Varejao could play with Nene on the court at the same time. Matthews is a solid shooter and should get plenty of looks with CP3 penetration. The only think that might be cause for concern is can Varejao hang with quicker 4's in the league?
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Thoughts on my team? If you are going to criticize try and be constructive about it (ie tell me ways in which I could improve it).
Team is listed in the signature.
I don't think Jeremy Lin is a long-term viable starting PG in the NBA. Not a bad guy to have off the bench but not someone who should be starting, IMO.
Well I guess we're going to see next season. I think he is.
In the vein of keeping the criticism constructive if you were me you would pick another pg with your next selection?
I would certainly consider it.
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Through 4 rounds and with the 2nd pick tomorrow:
San Antonio Spurs:
C: Brook Lopez
PF: Taj Gibson
SF:
SG: James Harden
PG: John Wall
Gonna have a tough time picking the right SF, lots of thinking to do.
Hands down front runner for team of the future. Very nice job constructing of your team.
I think WD's Pacers are right up there in terms of future-ness:
PG: Rondo
SG:
SF: Batum
PF: Scola
C: Monroe
Both teams could also make noise in the playoffs, depending on how things go this season.
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KC, your Lakers squad is looking good. Gay will work much better with a PG like Jrue, I think.
Rebus and I like how things are taking shape, but we still have plans for improvement.
PG: Chris Paul
SG: Wes Matthews
SF:
PF: Andy Varejao
C: Nene
AV and Nene may switch assignments on defense. We like CP3 and Nene in the pick and roll, with Andy crashing the offensive boards and Wes on the perimeter to knock down open shots.
I like how this team is shaping up. I think Varejao could play with Nene on the court at the same time. Matthews is a solid shooter and should get plenty of looks with CP3 penetration. The only think that might be cause for concern is can Varejao hang with quicker 4's in the league?
I think he can absolutely hang with the quicker 4's. He is actually pretty quick which can be seen if you watch him hedging on a pick and roll.
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Boston Celtics
Center - Andrew Bynum
PF - Ersan Ilyasova
SF - Kevin Durant
SG - TBD
PG - TBD
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How's this team look:
Pg:Jeff Teague
SG:Thorton or Henderson-
SF:Deng
PF:Amare
C:Magee
Sixth Man: Henderson or Thorton
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Through 4 rounds and with the 2nd pick tomorrow:
San Antonio Spurs:
C: Brook Lopez
PF: Taj Gibson
SF:
SG: James Harden
PG: John Wall
Gonna have a tough time picking the right SF, lots of thinking to do.
Hands down front runner for team of the future. Very nice job constructing of your team.
I think WD's Pacers are right up there in terms of future-ness:
PG: Rondo
SG:
SF: Batum
PF: Scola
C: Monroe
Both teams could also make noise in the playoffs, depending on how things go this season.
Yes my team will.
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Okay a little revision.
Cleveland Derps:
G - Kyrie Irving
G - TBA
F - TBA
F - Thaddeus Young / Anthony Randolph
C - Andrew Bogut
How 'bout now? Still bad huh?
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Okay a little revision.
Cleveland Derps:
G - Kyrie Irving
G - TBA
F - TBA
F - Thaddeus Young / Anthony Randolph
C - Andrew Bogut
How 'bout now? Still bad huh?
Yeah, sorry.
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Okay a little revision.
Cleveland Derps:
G - Kyrie Irving
G - TBA
F - TBA
F - Thaddeus Young / Anthony Randolph
C - Andrew Bogut
How 'bout now? Still bad huh?
Yeah, sorry.
I hate this game. ;D
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Okay a little revision.
Cleveland Derps:
G - Kyrie Irving
G - TBA
F - TBA
F - Thaddeus Young / Anthony Randolph
C - Andrew Bogut
How 'bout now? Still bad huh?
Better.
Anthony Randolph was a enormous reach, and you know how I feel about trading Greg Monroe, but Kyrie Irving/Thad Young/Bogut has potential.
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Okay a little revision.
Cleveland Derps:
G - Kyrie Irving
G - TBA
F - TBA
F - Thaddeus Young / Anthony Randolph
C - Andrew Bogut
How 'bout now? Still bad huh?
Yeah, sorry.
I hate this game. ;D
Buck up, Yoki. You may not be "winning," but you're more engaged and active than quite a few of the other GMs here. Glad you're here.
And, lest we forget, you masterminded the first ever lottery for one of these drafts. That definitely counts for something.
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I think its fair to say this knicks team as is makes the playoffs. With more pieces that we plan on adding in this next round we plan to be a force in the East.
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Pg-rubio
Sg-
Sf-melo
Pf-bargs
C-ibaka
Offense will not be a problem. Rubio will be able to create for others, and you have good shooting from Bargs and Melo.
I think this team absolutely needs an elite defender at the 2.
Rubio will be a little slower/weaker as he recovers (hopefully fully) from that knee injury. Melo can play passable defense, but Bargnani is a real negative in that respect. It's possible Ibaka may end up committing fouls trying to recover from the overall porous defense of his teammates.
Actually Bargnani is a good defender since the new coach Casey. Here is one quick article on it and I can find you alot more!! His defense has improved and so has his overall game!! He fits in perfect here and so will our next pics!!!
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CB Draft Phoenix Suns:
1. Steve Nash
2. DeMar DeRozan
3. Tayshaun Prince
4. Kevin Love
5. Joakim Noah
Finally rounded out my starting 5
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CB Draft Phoenix Suns:
1. Steve Nash
2. DeMar DeRozan
3. Tayshaun Prince
4. Kevin Love
5. Joakim Noah
Finally rounded out my starting 5
if kevin love is ready to play average to above-average defense on a night-in, night-out basis then you have something special. BUT, you are also playing in an extremely tough division. gonna be a bloodbath.
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CB Draft Phoenix Suns:
1. Steve Nash
2. DeMar DeRozan
3. Tayshaun Prince
4. Kevin Love
5. Joakim Noah
Finally rounded out my starting 5
Not sure about DeRozan on that team.
I picture him running off screens and looking for midrange catch and shoot opportunities rather than spacing the floor from three for a ball-dominant PG. He'll do great with Nash in the open court but not sure how well he'll do in the half-court offense.
I do expect DeRozan to add a legitimate three point shot at some point. Not sure it'll be in time for next year though.
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CB Draft Phoenix Suns:
1. Steve Nash
2. DeMar DeRozan
3. Tayshaun Prince
4. Kevin Love
5. Joakim Noah
Finally rounded out my starting 5
if kevin love is ready to play average to above-average defense on a night-in, night-out basis then you have something special. BUT, you are also playing in an extremely tough division. gonna be a bloodbath.
The Lakers take showers, not baths.
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CB Draft Phoenix Suns:
1. Steve Nash
2. DeMar DeRozan
3. Tayshaun Prince
4. Kevin Love
5. Joakim Noah
Finally rounded out my starting 5
if kevin love is ready to play average to above-average defense on a night-in, night-out basis then you have something special. BUT, you are also playing in an extremely tough division. gonna be a bloodbath.
The Lakers take showers, not baths.
so is it safe to say you expect to be showered in gold this year?
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PG: Stephen Curry
SG: Dwyane Wade
SF: Jared Dudley
PF: Chris Bosh
C: Nikola Pekovic
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CB Draft Phoenix Suns:
1. Steve Nash
2. DeMar DeRozan
3. Tayshaun Prince
4. Kevin Love
5. Joakim Noah
Finally rounded out my starting 5
if kevin love is ready to play average to above-average defense on a night-in, night-out basis then you have something special. BUT, you are also playing in an extremely tough division. gonna be a bloodbath.
The Lakers take showers, not baths.
so is it safe to say you expect to be showered in gold this year?
You, sir, are a gentleman and a wordsmith.
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PG: Stephen Curry Lowry
SG: Dwyane Wade Gordon
SF: Jared Dudley Granger
PF: Chris Bosh Bronnie
C: Nikola Pekovic Brand
nah youre not there yet.......... ;D
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CB Draft Phoenix Suns:
1. Steve Nash
2. DeMar DeRozan
3. Tayshaun Prince
4. Kevin Love
5. Joakim Noah
Finally rounded out my starting 5
if kevin love is ready to play average to above-average defense on a night-in, night-out basis then you have something special. BUT, you are also playing in an extremely tough division. gonna be a bloodbath.
The Lakers take showers, not baths.
so is it safe to say you expect to be showered in gold this year?
You, sir, are a gentleman and a wordsmith.
-I've been to prison, oh I've been to prison. Prison of drugs, alcohol....sick thoughts. I used to have sick thoughts.
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This team is planning to be in the playoffs this year!
The Pacers
PG Rondo
SG Bradley
SF Batum
PF Scola
C Monroe
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PG: Stephen Curry
SG: Dwyane Wade
SF: Jared Dudley
PF: Chris Bosh
C: Nikola Pekovic
Very impressive offense.
Wade and Curry plus Bosh along with Pek's interior scoring and Dudley spacing the floor. Lots of highly efficient scoring. Difficult to defend against.
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How's this team look:
Pg:Jeff Teague
SG:Thorton or Henderson-
SF:Deng
PF:Amare
C:Magee
Sixth Man: Henderson or Thorton
thoughts on this squad!!!
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Houston Boxers
PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Iman Shumpert
SF: Paul George
PF: Jonas Valanciunas
C: Marcin Gortat
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PG: Stephen Curry
SG: Dwyane Wade
SF: Jared Dudley
PF: Chris Bosh
C: Nikola Pekovic
Very impressive offense.
Wade and Curry plus Bosh along with Pek's interior scoring and Dudley spacing the floor. Lots of highly efficient scoring. Difficult to defend against.
a lot of dirty work being done by the dudley/bosh/pekovic combo, like it a lot.
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Houston Boxers
PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Iman Shumpert
SF: Paul George
PF: Dontas Valanciunas
C: Marcin Gortat
Can ValyVal play the 4? i honestly have no idea.
i have him in our CB keeper fantasy league and would love to know the answer haha...
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This team is planning to be in the playoffs this year!
The Pacers
PG Rondo
SG Bradley
SF Batum
PF Scola
C Monroe
I would think it should be. Very talented. And young.
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Houston Boxers
PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Iman Shumpert
SF: Paul George
PF: Dontas Valanciunas
C: Marcin Gortat
Nick, I think you've made a terrible mistake.
With the 5th pick in the 5th round the Houston Boxers select Jonas Valanciunas
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Houston Boxers
PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Iman Shumpert
SF: Paul George
PF: Dontas Valanciunas
C: Marcin Gortat
Can ValyVal play the 4? i honestly have no idea.
i have him in our CB keeper fantasy league and would love to know the answer haha...
If he can, he won't in Toronto. He's a big reason why the Raps are finally moving Bargs to the 4.
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Houston Boxers
PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Iman Shumpert
SF: Paul George
PF: Dontas Valanciunas
C: Marcin Gortat
Nick, I think you've made a terrible mistake.
With the 5th pick in the 5th round the Houston Boxers select Jonas Valanciunas
Thanks...fixed the brain fart.
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Houston Boxers
PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Iman Shumpert
SF: Paul George
PF: Dontas Valanciunas
C: Marcin Gortat
Can ValyVal play the 4? i honestly have no idea.
i have him in our CB keeper fantasy league and would love to know the answer haha...
He can play both as he has excellent lateral movement, a non-stop effort button, quickness, a developing mid range game and tremendous low post and pick and roll game.
On the Boxers, he is more a PF/C and can play both playing PF when paired with Gortat and center when paired with others.
As has been said, he will probably play a lot of center as Toronto is switching Bargs to PF and letting Bargs be Mr. Outside and Val be Mr. Inside. But on teams with a pure center, I am sure Val would play both positions.
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Hows my team look?
PG - Kyrie Irving
SG - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist / Brandon Rush
SF - Harrison Barnes / (MKG plays some minutes here too)
PF - Thaddeus Young
C - Andrew Bogut
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Hows my team look?
PG - TBD
SG - TBD
SF - Kevin Durant
PF - Ersan Ilyasova
C - Andrew Bynum
Bench - Anthony Randolph
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Hows my team look?
PG - Kyrie Irving
SG - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist / Brandon Rush
SF - Harrison Barnes / (MKG plays some minutes here too)
PF - Thaddeus Young
C - Andrew Bogut
Young and talented and a Team of the Future lock for a top 2 finish in that voting....if you don't keep trading away assets.
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Hows my team look?
PG - TBD
SG - TBD
SF - Kevin Durant
PF - Ersan Ilyasova
C - Andrew Bynum
Bench - Anthony Randolph
Great frontcourt but can you get what you need to fill out the backcourt with just 6th, 7th, and 8th round picks. You might need to move a star to get some quality in the backcourt I am afraid, though there are still some gems left.
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Hows my team look?
PG - TBD
SG - TBD
SF - Kevin Durant
PF - Ersan Ilyasova
C - Andrew Bynum
Bench - Anthony Randolph
Waiting til the 6th round to sort your backcourt is a power move. Honestly I don't really know what to make of it til then.
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Hows my team look?
PG - TBD
SG - TBD
SF - Kevin Durant
PF - Ersan Ilyasova
C - Andrew Bynum
Bench - Anthony Randolph
Waiting til the 6th round to sort your backcourt is a power move. Honestly I don't really know what to make of it til then.
There are quality guards left who have the skill set to compliment my team nicely. After the third round it really becomes all about skill set and fit.
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Hows my team look?
PG - TBD
SG - TBD
SF - Kevin Durant
PF - Ersan Ilyasova
C - Andrew Bynum
Bench - Anthony Randolph
Great frontcourt but can you get what you need to fill out the backcourt with just 6th, 7th, and 8th round picks. You might need to move a star to get some quality in the backcourt I am afraid, though there are still some gems left.
Yeah there are some nice fits out there. I might have to wheel and deal but Bynum and Durant are staying. Thanks for the post. TP
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Hows my team look?
PG - TBD
SG - TBD
SF - Kevin Durant
PF - Ersan Ilyasova
C - Andrew Bynum
Bench - Anthony Randolph
Waiting til the 6th round to sort your backcourt is a power move. Honestly I don't really know what to make of it til then.
There are quality guards left who have the skill set to compliment my team nicely. After the third round it really becomes all about skill set and fit.
They certainly matter a lot more.
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Hows my team look?
PG - Kyrie Irving
SG - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist / Brandon Rush
SF - Harrison Barnes / (MKG plays some minutes here too)
PF - Thaddeus Young
C - Andrew Bogut
Young and talented and a Team of the Future lock for a top 2 finish in that voting....if you don't keep trading away assets.
Yeah, an excellent young team. In the running for Team of the Future.
Looked like you were in trouble there for awhile but I thought the Michael Kidd-Gilchrest and Harrison Barnes really added a lot of value to your team.
Kyrie Irving, MKG and Barnes is a very impressive group of young prospects to work with. Bogut is a nice guiding presence for them to learn off of. Thaddeus Young is still a young veteran who can help the transition and be part of the future.
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Hows my team look?
PG - TBD
SG - TBD
SF - Kevin Durant
PF - Ersan Ilyasova
C - Andrew Bynum
Bench - Anthony Randolph
Durant, Bynum, Ilyasova, A. Randolph, 6.15, 7.11, 7.23, 8.5, 8.15, 8.18, 9.23, 10.15, 13.23
I think you should have no problem building a very strong supporting cast to go along with Durant and A.Bynum with those picks.
In a very good position. Title contender.
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PG: Stephen Curry
SG: Dwyane Wade
SF: Jared Dudley
PF: Chris Bosh
C: Nikola Pekovic
I really like this team, especially if Curry has a bounce back year with his health. Pekovic setting screens for Wade is going to open Wade up so much more than the players he plays with on his current Miami squad and the ability to kick to shooters like Dudley and Curry will be deadly.
Have been out of the loop for a few days and haven't seen all the teams but I can't see how this team isn't a title contender.
IP has done it again people.
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PG: Lowry
SG: Gordon
SF: Granger
PF: Bronnie
C: Brand
Not sure what I think of this team. I personally hate LeBron but acknowledge his greatness. I think Granger and Lowry are good additions but really not a fan of Brand or Ben Gordon's games. LeBron gets you a deep playoff run, kinda automatically but I am going to take a wait and see approach here.
My guess is Brand might be coming off the bench when all is said and done and that would be a very good thing.
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How's this team look:
Pg:Jeff Teague
SG:Thorton or Henderson-
SF:Deng
PF:Amare
C:Magee
Sixth Man: Henderson or Thorton
thoughts on this squad!!!
I always thought Amare was a head case and severely over rated. Last year he was but will he stay that way. As NY is constructed, he might because they are going to give the ball to Melo and he ain't gonna share and Amare won't like that.
McGee has always been a head case but some of that may have been the Washington effect. He showed me something in Denver.
Deng is a top notch SF and Teague and Thornton are good offensive players that are not great defensively.
Possible first round playoff exit team as I see it right now though there's tons of time to do work.
Problem is Amare is your superstar and I think has proven he doesn't have what it takes to be THAT guy and take a team deep in the playoffs on his shoulders.
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Houston Boxers
PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Iman Shumpert
SF: Paul George
PF: Dontas Valanciunas
C: Marcin Gortat
Can ValyVal play the 4? i honestly have no idea.
i have him in our CB keeper fantasy league and would love to know the answer haha...
He can play both as he has excellent lateral movement, a non-stop effort button, quickness, a developing mid range game and tremendous low post and pick and roll game.
On the Boxers, he is more a PF/C and can play both playing PF when paired with Gortat and center when paired with others.
As has been said, he will probably play a lot of center as Toronto is switching Bargs to PF and letting Bargs be Mr. Outside and Val be Mr. Inside. But on teams with a pure center, I am sure Val would play both positions.
Nope sorry, Valanciunas is a center. A great talent sure, but you're asking him to learn a new position while also learning the American game, that's not putting him in a position to succeed. Fire your international scout, you meant to draft the other Lithuanian rookie.
Also, in two weeks I'm going to kill you with your own posts about keeping players at their positions.
KG at center 4 life.
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Houston Boxers
PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Iman Shumpert
SF: Paul George
PF: Dontas Valanciunas
C: Marcin Gortat
Can ValyVal play the 4? i honestly have no idea.
i have him in our CB keeper fantasy league and would love to know the answer haha...
He can play both as he has excellent lateral movement, a non-stop effort button, quickness, a developing mid range game and tremendous low post and pick and roll game.
On the Boxers, he is more a PF/C and can play both playing PF when paired with Gortat and center when paired with others.
As has been said, he will probably play a lot of center as Toronto is switching Bargs to PF and letting Bargs be Mr. Outside and Val be Mr. Inside. But on teams with a pure center, I am sure Val would play both positions.
Nope sorry, Valanciunas is a center. A great talent sure, but you're asking him to learn a new position while also learning the American game, that's not putting him in a position to succeed. Fire your international scout, you meant to draft the other Lithuanian rookie.
Also, in two weeks I'm going to kill you with your own posts about keeping players at their positions.
KG at center 4 life.
Kid is 19 and has played both positions for years. We expect growing pains but he can play both positions. Our international scouts are doing a great job, thank you.
And if in two weeks you are killing me with I told you so's, I'll be good with that because it means I am in the playoffs. As I see things, that's a good thing. ;D
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PG: Lowry
SG: Gordon
SF: Granger
PF: Bronnie
C: Brand
Not sure what I think of this team. I personally hate LeBron but acknowledge his greatness. I think Granger and Lowry are good additions but really not a fan of Brand or Ben Gordon's games. LeBron gets you a deep playoff run, kinda automatically but I am going to take a wait and see approach here.
My guess is Brand might be coming off the bench when all is said and done and that would be a very good thing.
This team against the Lakers would be a great series!
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PG: Stephen Curry
SG: Dwyane Wade
SF: Jared Dudley
PF: Chris Bosh
C: Nikola Pekovic
I really like this team, especially if Curry has a bounce back year with his health. Pekovic setting screens for Wade is going to open Wade up so much more than the players he plays with on his current Miami squad and the ability to kick to shooters like Dudley and Curry will be deadly.
Have been out of the loop for a few days and haven't seen all the teams but I can't see how this team isn't a title contender.
IP has done it again people.
Dude definitely understands the ins and outs of the game. He's got it figured it out to the point that I don't think it matters where he is picking from in round one. He will figure out how to put a squad together.
Lol and if he doesn't he will pull out the smoke and mirrors to make you think he did. ;)
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Still trying to swing a trade. Let me know if you're interested.
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Lol and if he doesn't he will pull out the smoke and mirrors to make you think he did. ;)
BINGO!!!
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Lol and if he doesn't he will pull out the smoke and mirrors to make you think he did. ;)
BINGO!!!
Edgar, you cut me. This isn't the set of Westside Story. We're friends here.
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Lol and if he doesn't he will pull out the smoke and mirrors to make you think he did. ;)
BINGO!!!
Edgar, you cut me. This isn't the set of Westside Story. We're friends here.
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CB Draft Phoenix Suns:
1. Steve Nash
2. DeMar DeRozan
3. Tayshaun Prince
4. Kevin Love
5. Joakim Noah
Finally rounded out my starting 5
Love the frontcourt. This team will score a lot of points.
It will give up a lot also.
Definite playoff caliber team though there's so much time left in this draft anything could happen.
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CB Draft Phoenix Suns:
1. Steve Nash
2. DeMar DeRozan
3. Tayshaun Prince
4. Kevin Love
5. Joakim Noah
Finally rounded out my starting 5
Love the frontcourt. This team will score a lot of points.
It will give up a lot also.
Definite playoff caliber team though there's so much time left in this draft anything could happen.
I agree with Nick, this team is gonna run, I would say it looks like a perfect team for D'Antoni to coach!!
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Nope sorry, Valanciunas is a center. A great talent sure, but you're asking him to learn a new position while also learning the American game, that's not putting him in a position to succeed. Fire your international scout, you meant to draft the other Lithuanian rookie.
Also, in two weeks I'm going to kill you with your own posts about keeping players at their positions.
KG at center 4 life.
Kid is 19 and has played both positions for years. We expect growing pains but he can play both positions. Our international scouts are doing a great job, thank you.
And if in two weeks you are killing me with I told you so's, I'll be good with that because it means I am in the playoffs. As I see things, that's a good thing. ;D
Not I-told-you-so's more like you-told-me-so's.
AI2 is not a SF
KG is not a C
Paul Pierce is not a SG
LeBron is not a PF
Scola is not a C
Valanciunas is not a PF - THE Walker Wiggle wuz here.
Playing these players out of position....and I mean this without insult... is just plain dumb.
But ribbing aside, I'll concede that Jonas has played some at the 4. But I don't have to like him there. I suspect he has a foot speed disadvantage at the 4 in the NBA as opposed to the 5. He's better defensively at the rim than on pick and rolls, and neither he nor Gortat has enough of a perimeter game, create spacing issues for the Rockets offensively.
That said, I'm having trouble establishing whether he's true 7 footer or a Dwight Howard 6'9 in lifts, which might help your case.
(Full disclosure - I've already made a trade offer on the guy.)
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CB Draft Phoenix Suns:
1. Steve Nash
2. DeMar DeRozan
3. Tayshaun Prince
4. Kevin Love
5. Joakim Noah
Finally rounded out my starting 5
Love the frontcourt. This team will score a lot of points.
It will give up a lot also.
Definite playoff caliber team though there's so much time left in this draft anything could happen.
Pretty confident in Noah as my defensive anchor. One of the best in the league. Prince is also a 4-time All NBA defensive 2nd team. His size and versatility will cause matchup problems for other teams. He's been forgotten and underrated these past few years due to Detroit's irrelevance. Demar and K-Love can also hold their own against opposing matchups. I think we'll be fine.
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PG: Lowry
SG: Gordon
SF: Granger
PF: Bronnie
C: Brand
Not sure what I think of this team. I personally hate LeBron but acknowledge his greatness. I think Granger and Lowry are good additions but really not a fan of Brand or Ben Gordon's games. LeBron gets you a deep playoff run, kinda automatically but I am going to take a wait and see approach here.
My guess is Brand might be coming off the bench when all is said and done and that would be a very good thing.
Brand played defense at a KG-like level last year. For real.
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Nope sorry, Valanciunas is a center. A great talent sure, but you're asking him to learn a new position while also learning the American game, that's not putting him in a position to succeed. Fire your international scout, you meant to draft the other Lithuanian rookie.
Also, in two weeks I'm going to kill you with your own posts about keeping players at their positions.
KG at center 4 life.
Kid is 19 and has played both positions for years. We expect growing pains but he can play both positions. Our international scouts are doing a great job, thank you.
And if in two weeks you are killing me with I told you so's, I'll be good with that because it means I am in the playoffs. As I see things, that's a good thing. ;D
Not I-told-you-so's more like you-told-me-so's.
AI2 is not a SF
KG is not a C
Paul Pierce is not a SG
LeBron is not a PF
Scola is not a C
Valanciunas is not a PF - THE Walker Wiggle wuz here.
Playing these players out of position....and I mean this without insult... is just plain dumb.
But ribbing aside, I'll concede that Jonas has played some at the 4. But I don't have to like him there. I suspect he has a foot speed disadvantage at the 4 in the NBA as opposed to the 5. He's better defensively at the rim than on pick and rolls, and neither he nor Gortat has enough of a perimeter game, create spacing issues for the Rockets offensively.
That said, I'm having trouble establishing whether he's true 7 footer or a Dwight Howard 6'9 in lifts, which might help your case.
(Full disclosure - I've already made a trade offer on the guy.)
I've just seen highlight vids on the kid and he has some great post moves. In Toronto, he will score and rebound and block shots(kid has great lift), so if you are looking for him in a fantasy league, good move. He will produce numbers this year. The main reason why is he is incredibly efficient. Will that translate? Not sure, but he will produce in the NBA this year.
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76er's
pg: Ty Lawson
sg: Arron Afflalo
sf: Paul Pierce
pf: Brandon Bass
c: Marcus Camby
Bench: 6.4, 6.9, 6.12
Moved Millsap in order to create one of the deepest teams and best benches. Also allows my 1-3 positions to be the natural scorers they are.
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PG: Lowry
SG: Gordon
SF: Granger
PF: Bronnie
C: Brand
Not sure what I think of this team. I personally hate LeBron but acknowledge his greatness. I think Granger and Lowry are good additions but really not a fan of Brand or Ben Gordon's games. LeBron gets you a deep playoff run, kinda automatically but I am going to take a wait and see approach here.
My guess is Brand might be coming off the bench when all is said and done and that would be a very good thing.
Brand played defense at a KG-like level last year. For real.
Honest disclosure, his stats may have been great(not sure if they are) but what I saw in televised games was only so-so. So I had limited exposure to him last year so he could have bounced back. His previous couple years weren't great. Last time I remember seeing good defense from him was in Clipperland.
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Okay a little revision.
Cleveland Derps:
G - Kyrie Irving
G - TBA
F - TBA
F - Thaddeus Young / Anthony Randolph
C - Andrew Bogut
How 'bout now? Still bad huh?
Yeah, sorry.
I hate this game. ;D
Buck up, Yoki. You may not be "winning," but you're more engaged and active than quite a few of the other GMs here. Glad you're here.
And, lest we forget, you masterminded the first ever lottery for one of these drafts. That definitely counts for something.
And Yoki, you also have really nice handwriting. I'm jealous.
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76er's
pg: Ty Lawson
sg: Arron Afflalo
sf: Paul Pierce
pf: Brandon Bass
c: Marcus Camby
Bench: 6.4, 6.9, 6.12
Moved Millsap in order to create one of the deepest teams and best benches. Also allows my 1-3 positions to be the natural scorers they are.
Those 6th round selections will be crucial.
Did you originally start with Aldridge, but then trade him for Millsap?
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76er's
pg: Ty Lawson
sg: Arron Afflalo
sf: Paul Pierce
pf: Brandon Bass
c: Marcus Camby
Bench: 6.4, 6.9, 6.12
Moved Millsap in order to create one of the deepest teams and best benches. Also allows my 1-3 positions to be the natural scorers they are.
Those 6th round selections will be crucial.
Did you originally start with Aldridge, but then trade him for Millsap?
Ya basically Aldridge to Millsap to Bass plus 6th rounders
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Brand played defense at a KG-like level last year. For real.
Show me someone, any well respected basketball spots writer who corroborates this, and I'll stater to believe it.
I'm sure you've found some numbers that help you out. I be they're good number, too. But when KG was pretty widely considered the 3rd best defender in the league last year (of youre no counting Howard), I can't think Brand was there at 3a.
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Brand played defense at a KG-like level last year. For real.
Show me someone, any well respected basketball spots writer who corroborates this, and I'll stater to believe it.
I'm sure you've found some numbers that help you out. I be they're good number, too. But when KG was pretty widely considered the 3rd best defender in the league last year (of youre no counting Howard), I can't think Brand was there at 3a.
I'll wait for press conferences, but I've got the data and "respected basketball spots writer" to back it up.
Every year this draft reinforces that people have an extremely hard time backing away from their preconceived notions. The good thing is that those folks who are open-minded can learn a lot from the stuff presented here.
The CB Draft: Not only is it super competitive, but it's educational, too!
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PG:Ricky Rubio
SG:Courtney Lee
SF:Carmelo Anthony
PF:Serge Ibaka
C:Perkins
Bench: Andrea Bargnani
Right now we are having Bargnani as 6th many with heavy minutes (more than Perk)we will see as the draft moves forward,we have a bunch picks(sig is not updated). I see us as a running team that can score a ton of points with anyone and with the addition of Lee and Perk with Ibaka our D is looking solid. Bargs has also stepped up his defense in the last year and is now consider a good defender and Rubio is no slouch on either end of the floor!
Thoughts at this point of the draft?
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PG:Ricky Rubio
SG:Courtney Lee
SF:Carmelo Anthony
PF:Serge Ibaka
C:Perkins
Bench: Andrea Bargnani
Right now we are having Bargnani as 6th many with heavy minutes (more than Perk)we will see as the draft moves forward,we have a bunch picks(sig is not updated). I see us as a running team that can score a ton of points with anyone and with the addition of Lee and Perk with Ibaka our D is looking solid. Bargs has also stepped up his defense in the last year and is now consider a good defender and Rubio is no slouch on either end of the floor!
Thoughts at this point of the draft?
I think this is a very smart way to build around Carmelo. I'd like to see one better scorer in the starting lineup ideally, but you've done well transforming your team.
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PG:Ricky Rubio
SG:Courtney Lee
SF:Carmelo Anthony
PF:Serge Ibaka
C:Perkins
Bench: Andrea Bargnani
Right now we are having Bargnani as 6th many with heavy minutes (more than Perk)we will see as the draft moves forward,we have a bunch picks(sig is not updated). I see us as a running team that can score a ton of points with anyone and with the addition of Lee and Perk with Ibaka our D is looking solid. Bargs has also stepped up his defense in the last year and is now consider a good defender and Rubio is no slouch on either end of the floor!
Thoughts at this point of the draft?
I think this is a very smart way to build around Carmelo. I'd like to see one better scorer in the starting lineup ideally, but you've done well transforming your team.
Or, maybe another scorer (shot-creator) off the bench in addition to Bargnani. Maybe a wing (probably a SG) or a combo guard who can play well alongside Rubio (without taking too much away from Rubio).
If you can't get another scorer in the starting unit without hurting the lineup's integrity defensively, I think that would be the next best option. Two strong scorers off the bench and have one of the more prolific bench scoring units in the league.
Get the extra offensive punch / balance that way.
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Seems like the cooking its almost ready
Spoiler alert!!!!
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Varejao
Lebron / Brand
Green
TBD / Gordon
Lowry
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Varejao
Lebron / Brand
Green
TBD / Gordon
Lowry
I thought you'd acquire Andy to play him at PF, but it looks like you're committed to go with LeBron at the 4 full time? Maybe mix and match depending on the opponent?
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Varejao
Lebron / Brand
Green
TBD / Gordon
Lowry
I thought you'd acquire Andy to play him at PF, but it looks like you're committed to go with LeBron at the 4 full time? Maybe mix and match depending on the opponent?
to be honest i love
this as much as the versatility
Bron
Gordon Lowry
Green
Brand TBD (with 2 more picks this round)
Varejao
basicamente the 8 man rotation is all set ;)
p.s. this is the big ball lineup
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Varejao
Lebron / Brand
Green
TBD / Gordon
Lowry
Much better than the last time I commented. I love the small ball lineup with Varejao, LeBron, Green, Gordon and Lowry.
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I like this team, would like to see a true center.
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I like this team, would like to see a true center.
amazingly theres a deeep poll of servicable centers out there
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I like this team, would like to see a true center.
amazingly theres a deeep poll of servicable centers out there
p.s.
I like
Lowry
Gordon Coming in 2 picks
Bron Green
Brand
Varejao
to be honest I think this team is pretty much awesome
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I like this team, would like to see a true center.
I think at this point in his career, Brand really is a center.
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Varejao
Lebron / Brand
Green
TBD / Gordon
Lowry
I thought you'd acquire Andy to play him at PF, but it looks like you're committed to go with LeBron at the 4 full time? Maybe mix and match depending on the opponent?
As Edgar said, we're pretty happy with the flexibility and versatility of the lineup.
We can go to a traditional lineup of Varejao / Brand / Lebron / SG / Lowry, or we can run out one with one of our bigs playing center and Lebron / Green as hybrid 3/4s.
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I like this team, would like to see a true center.
I think at this point in his career, Brand really is a center.
Agreed. The dude has a 7'5" wingspan and is an elite post defender.
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I like this team, would like to see a true center.
I think at this point in his career, Brand really is a center.
Agreed. The dude has a 7'5" wingspan and is an elite post defender.
I guess I should of worded that differently.... A true BACK UP center. ;D
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I like this team, would like to see a true center.
I think at this point in his career, Brand really is a center.
Agreed. The dude has a 7'5" wingspan and is an elite post defender.
I guess I should of worded that differently.... A true BACK UP center. ;D
I can live with that :)
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I'm gonna have some time at a desktop computer tomorrow will pay my toll for not really commenting much on other peoples teams with a full on 5 round power rankings, my team excluded.
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I'm gonna have some time at a desktop computer tomorrow will pay my toll for not really commenting much on other peoples teams with a full on 5 round power rankings, my team excluded.
sooo....youre not including Green ? ;)
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I really loved how dangerous an offensive team Dallas were prior to this trade.
You were a nightmare to matchup against. Impossible to stop. A steamroller just coming at you over and over again and there is nothing you can do about it.
The floor spacing and multiple quality scoring options were just too good. With the greatest player on the planet leading the charge.
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I really loved how dangerous an offensive team Dallas were prior to this trade.
You were a nightmare to matchup against. Impossible to stop. A steamroller just coming at you over and over again and there is nothing you can do about it.
The floor spacing and multiple quality scoring options were just too good. With the greatest player on the planet leading the charge.
I think we're still that team, we just approach it in a different way.
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I really loved how dangerous an offensive team Dallas were prior to this trade.
You were a nightmare to matchup against. Impossible to stop. A steamroller just coming at you over and over again and there is nothing you can do about it.
The floor spacing and multiple quality scoring options were just too good. With the greatest player on the planet leading the charge.
I think we're still that team, we just approach it in a different way.
I think you are still very, very good offensively. Very tough to defend against.
But with Granger, your team had this extra gear ... this gear that pretty much no-one could account for ... that was a clear match-winner ... and you just ... you just gave it away.
You have a more orthodox team now but not a better team. Not for me.
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I really loved how dangerous an offensive team Dallas were prior to this trade.
You were a nightmare to matchup against. Impossible to stop. A steamroller just coming at you over and over again and there is nothing you can do about it.
The floor spacing and multiple quality scoring options were just too good. With the greatest player on the planet leading the charge.
I think we're still that team, we just approach it in a different way.
I think you are still very, very good offensively. Very tough to defend against.
But with Granger, your team had this extra gear ... this gear that pretty much no-one could account for ... that was a clear match-winner ... and you just ... you just gave it away.
You have a more orthodox team now but not a better team. Not for me.
Would you agree we've improved our defense and rebounding, and made our team less vulnerable to big lineups?
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I really loved how dangerous an offensive team Dallas were prior to this trade.
You were a nightmare to matchup against. Impossible to stop. A steamroller just coming at you over and over again and there is nothing you can do about it.
The floor spacing and multiple quality scoring options were just too good. With the greatest player on the planet leading the charge.
I think we're still that team, we just approach it in a different way.
I think you are still very, very good offensively. Very tough to defend against.
But with Granger, your team had this extra gear ... this gear that pretty much no-one could account for ... that was a clear match-winner ... and you just ... you just gave it away.
You have a more orthodox team now but not a better team. Not for me.
Would you agree we've improved our defense and rebounding, and made our team less vulnerable to big lineups?
You were going to run every single one of those big lineups right off the court.
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I really loved how dangerous an offensive team Dallas were prior to this trade.
You were a nightmare to matchup against. Impossible to stop. A steamroller just coming at you over and over again and there is nothing you can do about it.
The floor spacing and multiple quality scoring options were just too good. With the greatest player on the planet leading the charge.
I think we're still that team, we just approach it in a different way.
I think you are still very, very good offensively. Very tough to defend against.
But with Granger, your team had this extra gear ... this gear that pretty much no-one could account for ... that was a clear match-winner ... and you just ... you just gave it away.
You have a more orthodox team now but not a better team. Not for me.
Would you agree we've improved our defense and rebounding, and made our team less vulnerable to big lineups?
You were going to run every single one of those big lineups right off the court.
Well, we still will. We now have a better rebounder to start the break.
If running is a concern, I don't think there's much question that Green is, at the very least, an equal athlete to Granger.
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I really loved how dangerous an offensive team Dallas were prior to this trade.
You were a nightmare to matchup against. Impossible to stop. A steamroller just coming at you over and over again and there is nothing you can do about it.
The floor spacing and multiple quality scoring options were just too good. With the greatest player on the planet leading the charge.
I think we're still that team, we just approach it in a different way.
I think you are still very, very good offensively. Very tough to defend against.
But with Granger, your team had this extra gear ... this gear that pretty much no-one could account for ... that was a clear match-winner ... and you just ... you just gave it away.
You have a more orthodox team now but not a better team. Not for me.
Would you agree we've improved our defense and rebounding, and made our team less vulnerable to big lineups?
You were going to run every single one of those big lineups right off the court.
Respectfully disagree. ;D
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I really loved how dangerous an offensive team Dallas were prior to this trade.
You were a nightmare to matchup against. Impossible to stop. A steamroller just coming at you over and over again and there is nothing you can do about it.
The floor spacing and multiple quality scoring options were just too good. With the greatest player on the planet leading the charge.
I think we're still that team, we just approach it in a different way.
I think you are still very, very good offensively. Very tough to defend against.
But with Granger, your team had this extra gear ... this gear that pretty much no-one could account for ... that was a clear match-winner ... and you just ... you just gave it away.
You have a more orthodox team now but not a better team. Not for me.
Would you agree we've improved our defense and rebounding, and made our team less vulnerable to big lineups?
You were going to run every single one of those big lineups right off the court.
Well, we still will. We now have a better rebounder to start the break.
If running is a concern, I don't think there's much question that Green is, at the very least, an equal athlete to Granger.
I was going more with the expression than the literal sense of it.
That you were the team that was going to dictate terms because your strengths were better than their strengths (the big lineups). They'll play your style of play because they are not good enough to stop you from doing it.
You are not worried about them because you can force the game to your strengths and you will win that game. They won't.
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You were going to run every single one of those big lineups right off the court.
Respectfully disagree. ;D
Your team is the only team in the league that gives me pause over that statement.
The best equipped team in the league to handle that former Dallas team. With your freakishly athletic players, terrific perimeter defense and pair of athletic skilled post scorers.
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You were going to run every single one of those big lineups right off the court.
Respectfully disagree. ;D
Your team is the only team in the league that gives me pause over that statement.
The best equipped team in the league to handle that former Dallas team. With your freakishly athletic players, terrific perimeter defense and pair of athletic skilled post scorers.
Not to become a mutual admiration society here, but I thought your team had enough to play that style of ball with them, especially with ZBo eating brand's lunch. AK47 is probably the ideal counter to LeBron at the 4 and Galls capable of going punch for punch with Granger.
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I think my young guys could run with that team. Paul/Shumpert/Westbrook could do a great defensive job on just about any team's wing/guard combos in this league. And we got some bigs to post on offense and play the back end on half court defense.
Not sure we could beat them in a 7 game series as currently constructed but there's still time for making things better. Especially now that I'm actually paying attention to the draft.
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ZBo eating brand's lunch.
Wishing that Elton Brand was a poor defender doesn't make it true.
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You were going to run every single one of those big lineups right off the court.
Respectfully disagree. ;D
Your team is the only team in the league that gives me pause over that statement.
The best equipped team in the league to handle that former Dallas team. With your freakishly athletic players, terrific perimeter defense and pair of athletic skilled post scorers.
Not to become a mutual admiration society here, but I thought your team had enough to play that style of ball with them, especially with ZBo eating brand's lunch. AK47 is probably the ideal counter to LeBron at the 4 and Galls capable of going punch for punch with Granger.
Yes, I think I could've given them a game but ... what I am trying to say is ...
The center I picked up at this stage in the draft was going to be too limited (either as a defender or an offensive threat depending on who I end up with) to use against Dallas' starting lineup. They are going to have an advantage there and they are going to be able to beat that lineup consistently to the point that I have to go away from it. I have to change to matchup with them and play their style of play.
By moving the center to the bench and promoting AK-47 to the lineup in his place.
They force me to play their game because of the strength of their lineup / style of play. I can't make them go away from it and play a different game. I don't have the horses to do that. I have to play their game.
If I had a better two-way center. Someone who was a legitimate offensive threat (that could punish their smaller defenders) and a mobile above average defender (to help contain their perimeter threats, PnR and provide rim-protection) ... maybe I could have done it.
But I wasn't able to get that guy so my team can't force them away from what they do best.
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ZBo eating brand's lunch.
Wishing that Elton Brand was a poor defender doesn't make it true.
Wishing that Zbo wasn't a tremendous post scorer doesn't make it true.
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The thing (about Gallo) I didnt get, and couldn't reconcile myself with is his shooting numbers. Low 40s from the field, terrible from 3, what happened to that guy? I was giving him considerable thought over even Duncan and Bosh in the 2nd, but how is that justifiable with his shooting?
Had many of the same concerns about Granger. 42% from the field? How?
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ZBo eating brand's lunch.
Wishing that Elton Brand was a poor defender doesn't make it true.
Wishing that Zbo wasn't a tremendous post scorer doesn't make it true.
Zach Randolph averaged 11.6 points per game last year on 46% shooting. From 3-to-9 feet he shot 43%.
I'm not sure that "tremendous post scorer" is accurate anymore.
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ZBo eating brand's lunch.
Wishing that Elton Brand was a poor defender doesn't make it true.
Wishing that Zbo wasn't a tremendous post scorer doesn't make it true.
Zach Randolph averaged 11.6 points per game last year on 46% shooting.
Coming off a major injury.
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The year before was 20 ppg on 50% shooting.
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ZBo eating brand's lunch.
Wishing that Elton Brand was a poor defender doesn't make it true.
Wishing that Zbo wasn't a tremendous post scorer doesn't make it true.
Zach Randolph averaged 11.6 points per game last year on 46% shooting.
Coming off a major injury.
I'm not sure that that helps his csae. 30+ year olds who have a history of not taking care of their bodies aren't exactly known for their ability to bounce back. Zach Randolph is the Cecil Fielder of the NBA.
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ZBo eating brand's lunch.
Wishing that Elton Brand was a poor defender doesn't make it true.
Wishing that Zbo wasn't a tremendous post scorer doesn't make it true.
Zach Randolph averaged 11.6 points per game last year on 46% shooting.
Coming off a major injury.
I'm not sure that that helps his csae. 30+ year olds who have a history of not taking care of their bodies aren't exactly known for their ability to bounce back. Zach Randolph is the Cecil Fielder of the NBA.
I'm not sure it does anything to his case this season until we see whether or not he bounces back.
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ZBo eating brand's lunch.
Wishing that Elton Brand was a poor defender doesn't make it true.
Wishing that Zbo wasn't a tremendous post scorer doesn't make it true.
Zach Randolph averaged 11.6 points per game last year on 46% shooting.
Coming off a major injury.
I'm not sure that that helps his csae. 30+ year olds who have a history of not taking care of their bodies aren't exactly known for their ability to bounce back. Zach Randolph is the Cecil Fielder of the NBA.
I'm not sure it does anything to his case this season until we see whether or not he bounces back.
So, should we just assume the best case scenario for a fat, generally inefficient player coming off a very poor season who has been affected by a major injury?
Still so confident that Randolph would eat Brand's lunch? A hobbled, fat, unmotivated guy going up against one of the best post defenders in the NBA? Or were you being literal about the lunch eating thing?
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I think ZBo is a lot better than what he showed last year while coming back from injury. He is only 31 and his stats the three years prior were excellent as was his maturity and team play.
I chalk up last year to injury and expect a huge year from him and Memphis this coming year.
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So, should we just assume the best case scenario for a fat, generally inefficient player coming off a very poor season who has been affected by a major injury?
Still so confident that Randolph would eat Brand's lunch? A hobbled, fat, unmotivated guy going up against one of the best post defenders in the NBA? Or were you being literal about the lunch eating thing?
The bolded statements confused me? Why would he be unmotivated and how is he inefficient?
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i feel like me and JSD jave a good team
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I think ZBo is a lot better than what he showed last year while coming back from injury. He is only 31 and his stats the three years prior were excellent as was his maturity and team play.
I chalk up last year to injury and expect a huge year from him and Memphis this coming year.
Agreed.
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No comment on my reservations about Gallo and Granger?
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So, should we just assume the best case scenario for a fat, generally inefficient player coming off a very poor season who has been affected by a major injury?
Still so confident that Randolph would eat Brand's lunch? A hobbled, fat, unmotivated guy going up against one of the best post defenders in the NBA? Or were you being literal about the lunch eating thing?
The bolded statements confused me? Why would he be unmotivated and how is he inefficient?
Randolph is a career 47% shooter, and a career 45% shooter in the playoffs. He's only shot over 50% twice. That's not terribly efficient for a big man.
In terms of unmotivated... you're familiar with Zach Randolph's career trajectory, right? He just got a contract, which he followed up with a bad season. We'll see how he does now that he got paid again.
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So, should we just assume the best case scenario for a fat, generally inefficient player coming off a very poor season who has been affected by a major injury?
Still so confident that Randolph would eat Brand's lunch? A hobbled, fat, unmotivated guy going up against one of the best post defenders in the NBA? Or were you being literal about the lunch eating thing?
The bolded statements confused me? Why would he be unmotivated and how is he inefficient?
Randolph is a career 47% shooter, and a career 45% shooter in the playoffs. He's only shot over 50% twice. That's not terribly efficient for a big man.
In terms of unmotivated... you're familiar with Zach Randolph's career trajectory, right? He just got a contract, which he followed up with a bad season. We'll see how he does now that he got paid again.
There were literally no reports about Randolph dogging his recovery or not trying in any of the games. A guy with his past, you'd have heard about it. Roy, don't make me go back and start quoting 2010 CBNBA draft Roy Hobbs on the subject of Monsieur Randolph. ;)
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Yeah I'm not sure questions about Z-Bo's motivaton are still very relevant. Until he gets a DWI, gets in a fight in a strip club or something.
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Yeah I'm not sure questions about Z-Bo's motivaton are still very relevant. Until he gets a DWI, gets in a fight in a strip club or something.
How do you know he's not defending a woman's honor at a strip club? Huh?
ZACH RANDOLPH IS A SAINT!
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The thing (about Gallo) I didnt get, and couldn't reconcile myself with is his shooting numbers. Low 40s from the field, terrible from 3, what happened to that guy? I was giving him considerable thought over even Duncan and Bosh in the 2nd, but how is that justifiable with his shooting?
Had many of the same concerns about Granger. 42% from the field? How?
Granger's points per game, eFG%, TS% and FG% have declined for each of the last four seasons. He's in decline.
Gallinari, who knows? Injuries?
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Yeah I'm not sure questions about Z-Bo's motivaton are still very relevant. Until he gets a DWI, gets in a fight in a strip club or something.
http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/08/22/zach-randolphs-still-living-the-thug-life-in-portland/
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Yeah I'm not sure questions about Z-Bo's motivaton are still very relevant. Until he gets a DWI, gets in a fight in a strip club or something.
http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/08/22/zach-randolphs-still-living-the-thug-life-in-portland/
From the aticle:
Randolph was home, but he’s not a suspect.
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Yeah I'm not sure questions about Z-Bo's motivaton are still very relevant. Until he gets a DWI, gets in a fight in a strip club or something.
http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/08/22/zach-randolphs-still-living-the-thug-life-in-portland/
From the aticle:
Randolph was home, but he’s not a suspect.
So, since Randolph isn't the guy who beat the dude with a pool stick, it's all good? He allows drug transactions to take place in his home, and stands by while his entourage beats people, but all of a sudden he's a mature upstanding citizen?
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Yeah I'm not sure questions about Z-Bo's motivaton are still very relevant. Until he gets a DWI, gets in a fight in a strip club or something.
http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/08/22/zach-randolphs-still-living-the-thug-life-in-portland/
From the aticle:
Randolph was home, but he’s not a suspect.
So, since Randolph isn't the guy who beat the dude with a pool stick, it's all good? He allows drug transactions to take place in his home, and stands by while his entourage beats people, but all of a sudden he's a mature upstanding citizen?
If they could have proven that he arranged the drug deal, witnessed the attack and did nothing or even knew any of this was going on wouldn't he have been charged with something?
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I'm not sure Roy or KC's take on the story is really accurate (well the implications I drew anyways).
Basically what we know is that Z-Bo has terrible choice in friends, and shouldn't be allowed to have as much downtime as the lockout gave him. Still, not a great indicator by any means.
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I'm not sure Roy or KC's take on the story is really accurate (well the implications I drew anyways).
Basically what we know is that Z-Bo has terrible choice in friends, and shouldn't be allowed to have as much downtime as the lockout gave him. Still, not a great indicator by any means.
Agreed.
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KC and SO's team is really good. They're just so athletic. Quick. Strong. Big.
Ball movement is a huge issue, and I don't think that the shot creation potential is great either on the wings, but they're a close mirror of the Griz from 2011. A step down at center, not quite as tough in the paint, but really tough nonetheless.
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KC and SO's team is really good. They're just so athletic. Quick. Strong. Big.
Ball movement is a huge issue, and I don't think that the shot creation potential is great either on the wings, but they're a close mirror of the Griz from 2011. A step down at center, not quite as tough in the paint, but really tough nonetheless.
While I like Holiday. I don't like him as the guy who has to facilitate to that front line. TA isn't a problem but Gay, Horford, and LA will all want shots. Can Holiday be like Rondo? I'm not sold he can. He seems more like a score first pg.
Tony Parker was better then Holiday.
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Tony Parker was better then Holiday.
I mean, we love Jrue, but, d'uh.
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The thing about Holiday is that he played off Iggy, so a lot of his issues with passing could be disguised. There is no hiding here. Not that it holds them back from being an Elite team, it's just a flaw with the team.
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The Central is pretty PG nasty.
Though my team does have the advantage. I have the official Wade stopper. (Bradley). Just ask around these boards. ;D
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The Central is pretty PG nasty.
Though my team does have the advantage. I have the official Wade stopper. (Bradley). Just ask around these boards. ;D
Really like your squad. Like it a lot. Wonder if its single.
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The Central is pretty PG nasty.
Though my team does have the advantage. I have the official Wade stopper. (Bradley). Just ask around these boards. ;D
Really like your squad. Like it a lot. Wonder if its single.
No trying to wine and dine my team.
I can see it now.
Trying to pull this on the "Wade stopper" right before the game.
(http://i2.listal.com/image/851870/600full-celtic-pride-poster.jpg)
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Obviously I need to get a sf but I'm really liking my squad 4 men in
Pg. George hill
Sg. Kobe Bryant
Sf.
Pf. David west
C. Tim Duncan
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Obviously I need to get a sf but I'm really liking my squad 4 men in
Pg. George hill
Sg. Kobe Bryant
Sf.
Pf. David west
C. Tim Duncan
Do you have enough high level picks left to get a top level backups for your older folk to get enough rest in the regular season and still have the good playoff seed?
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Obviously I need to get a sf but I'm really liking my squad 4 men in
Pg. George hill
Sg. Kobe Bryant
Sf.
Pf. David west
C. Tim Duncan
Do you have enough high level picks left to get a top level backups for your older folk to get enough rest in the regular season and still have the good playoff seed?
Follow up question: Do you care if you're a good playoff seed?
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Obviously I need to get a sf but I'm really liking my squad 4 men in
Pg. George hill
Sg. Kobe Bryant
Sf.
Pf. David west
C. Tim Duncan
Do you have enough high level picks left to get a top level backups for your older folk to get enough rest in the regular season and still have the good playoff seed?
Follow up question: Do you care if you're a good playoff seed?
I was gonna say, celts made it to the Ecf without HCA in the first round.
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The Central is pretty PG nasty.
Though my team does have the advantage. I have the official Wade stopper. (Bradley). Just ask around these boards. ;D
MKG is the next Wade stopper after AB, just so everyone would know.
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What are people thinking about the knicks..
Rubio
Lee
Melo
Ibaka
Perkins or Bargs
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The Central is pretty PG nasty.
Though my team does have the advantage. I have the official Wade stopper. (Bradley). Just ask around these boards. ;D
MKG is the next Wade stopper after AB, just so everyone would know.
(http://blogimages.thescore.com/tbj/files/2012/02/tony-allen-valentine.jpg)
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What are people thinking about the knicks..
Rubio
Lee
Melo
Ibaka
Perkins or Bargs
In need of a low post offensive threat.
Ibaka and Perk worked fine until they ran into a team that could match their perimeter offense and defense.
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(http://blogimages.thescore.com/tbj/files/2012/02/tony-allen-valentine.jpg)
Really like your squad. Like it a lot. Wonder if its single.
It is getting strangely romantic around the Central this morning.
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The Central is pretty PG nasty.
Though my team does have the advantage. I have the official Wade stopper. (Bradley). Just ask around these boards. ;D
MKG is the next Wade stopper after AB, just so everyone would know.
If the projections are true, he's gonna be one of the next great defenders. I've seen Pippen's name thrown around more than once.
Not that he'll be that next year, just that he could be that, in 4 or 5.
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Chris Broussard reports that sources within the Commissioner's Office are indicating the Central Division will be renamed the "Mutual Admiration in a Totally Heterosexual Way" Division.
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Chris Broussard reports that sources within the Commissioner's Office are indicating the Central Division will be renamed the "Mutual Admiration in a Totally Heterosexual Way" Division.
And hour and a half after it was tweeted by @TheBodySterns and reported by 3 other news outlets.
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Central division group hug.
(http://www.weird-websites.info/Weird-Jokes/top-100-sports-jokes/sports-images/rugby-men-getting-hot-and-dirty-scrum-half-pictures.jpg)
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Chris Broussard reports that sources within the Commissioner's Office are indicating the Central Division will be renamed the "Mutual Admiration in a Totally Heterosexual Way" Division.
And hour and a half after it was tweeted by @TheBodySterns and reported by 3 other news outlets.
Hmmm. Looking more closely, it seems Broussard's report also seems to copy word for word @TheBodySterns twitter feed.
#lazyjournalismFTW
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Spurs:
C: Brook Lopez
PF: Taj Gibson
SF: Danny Green
SG: James Harden
PG: John Wall
Coach: Doc Rivers
Thoughts?
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Central division group hug.
(http://www.weird-websites.info/Weird-Jokes/top-100-sports-jokes/sports-images/rugby-men-getting-hot-and-dirty-scrum-half-pictures.jpg)
Nothin gay about that. Just a bunch of guys putting their heads on each others' butts on a saturday morning.
SATURDAY IS THE RUGBY DAYYYY!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yftwdROM5hA
(NSFW)
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Spurs:
C: Brook Lopez
PF: Taj Gibson
SF: Danny Green
SG: James Harden
PG: John Wall
Coach: Doc Rivers
Thoughts?
Love Doc with this group.
I don't know the answer to this, just throwing it out there: would finding another wing to play SF be better, so you could bring Green off the bench to back up SG/SF?
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Central division might be having a love fest but the Southwest might be the toughest in the league. Boxers have a superduperstar in Westbrook, a center who averages 16/11/1.5, and have an incredible talent in 6'10" SG/SF Paul George and an argument can be made we are a 4th place team in our division.
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Spurs:
C: Brook Lopez
PF: Taj Gibson
SF: Danny Green
SG: James Harden
PG: John Wall
Coach: Doc Rivers
Thoughts?
Love Doc with this group.
I don't know the answer to this, just throwing it out there: would finding another wing to play SF be better, so you could bring Green off the bench to back up SG/SF?
. Haha love doc because he is forced to play youngsters?
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Spurs:
C: Brook Lopez
PF: Taj Gibson
SF: Danny Green
SG: James Harden
PG: John Wall
Coach: Doc Rivers
Thoughts?
Love Doc with this group.
I don't know the answer to this, just throwing it out there: would finding another wing to play SF be better, so you could bring Green off the bench to back up SG/SF?
. Haha love doc because he is forced to play youngsters?
No, I love the idea of Doc coaching John Wall. And I think guys like Green and Gibson will run through walls for him.
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Spurs:
C: Brook Lopez
PF: Taj Gibson
SF: Danny Green
SG: James Harden
PG: John Wall
Coach: Doc Rivers
Thoughts?
Love Doc with this group.
I don't know the answer to this, just throwing it out there: would finding another wing to play SF be better, so you could bring Green off the bench to back up SG/SF?
. Haha love doc because he is forced to play youngsters?
No, I love the idea of Doc coaching John Wall. And I think guys like Green and Gibson will run through walls for him.
What are your thoughts on him and lopez? I know Doc will love Harden.
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Spurs:
C: Brook Lopez
PF: Taj Gibson
SF: Danny Green
SG: James Harden
PG: John Wall
Coach: Doc Rivers
Thoughts?
Love Doc with this group.
I don't know the answer to this, just throwing it out there: would finding another wing to play SF be better, so you could bring Green off the bench to back up SG/SF?
. Haha love doc because he is forced to play youngsters?
No, I love the idea of Doc coaching John Wall. And I think guys like Green and Gibson will run through walls for him.
What are your thoughts on him and lopez? I know Doc will love Harden.
I think doc will be able to work well with Lopez. He did develop big al after all
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Spurs:
C: Brook Lopez
PF: Taj Gibson
SF: Danny Green
SG: James Harden
PG: John Wall
Coach: Doc Rivers
Thoughts?
Love Doc with this group.
I don't know the answer to this, just throwing it out there: would finding another wing to play SF be better, so you could bring Green off the bench to back up SG/SF?
. Haha love doc because he is forced to play youngsters?
No, I love the idea of Doc coaching John Wall. And I think guys like Green and Gibson will run through walls for him.
What are your thoughts on him and lopez? I know Doc will love Harden.
That's a good question. Can he motivate Lopez to get his hands dirty on the boards and play D?
Might want to draft a veteran big (not necessarily a journeyman) to help do that.
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Central is the best division imbo.
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I think the Pacific will be the toughest division.
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Hopped on real quick on a mini vacation. I don't think what some want to see out of holiday would be his role. This is a team that works from the inside out. He doesn't have to be rondo, he needs to be a steady pg who can hit an open three and play good d
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Hopped on real quick on a mini vacation. I don't think what some want to see out of holiday would be his role. This is a team that works from the inside out. He doesn't have to be rondo, he needs to be a steady pg who can hit an open three and play good d
Which team do you think most closely mirrors this approach?
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Hopped on real quick on a mini vacation. I don't think what some want to see out of holiday would be his role. This is a team that works from the inside out. He doesn't have to be rondo, he needs to be a steady pg who can hit an open three and play good d
Which team do you think most closely mirrors this approach?
I think its clearly the grizzlies. More athletic, but two bigs who pass well, can score in the post and have a steady jumper.
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Hopped on real quick on a mini vacation. I don't think what some want to see out of holiday would be his role. This is a team that works from the inside out. He doesn't have to be rondo, he needs to be a steady pg who can hit an open three and play good d
Which team do you think most closely mirrors this approach?
I think its clearly the grizzlies. More athletic, but two bigs who pass well, can score in the post and have a steady jumper.
We're basically the Grizzlies with better athletes so teams like OKC and the Clipps can't wear us down in a track meet.
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Hopped on real quick on a mini vacation. I don't think what some want to see out of holiday would be his role. This is a team that works from the inside out. He doesn't have to be rondo, he needs to be a steady pg who can hit an open three and play good d
Which team do you think most closely mirrors this approach?
I think its clearly the grizzlies. More athletic, but two bigs who pass well, can score in the post and have a steady jumper.
We're basically the Grizzlies with better athletes so teams like OKC and the Clipps can't wear us down in a track meet.
How do you see Horford/Aldridge matching up against '11 Z-Bo/Gasol?
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Hopped on real quick on a mini vacation. I don't think what some want to see out of holiday would be his role. This is a team that works from the inside out. He doesn't have to be rondo, he needs to be a steady pg who can hit an open three and play good d
Which team do you think most closely mirrors this approach?
I think its clearly the grizzlies. More athletic, but two bigs who pass well, can score in the post and have a steady jumper.
We're basically the Grizzlies with better athletes so teams like OKC and the Clipps can't wear us down in a track meet.
How do you see Horford/Aldridge matching up against '11 Z-Bo/Gasol?
They're both better defenders and as we've seen in the past couple years as the pace picks up in the playoffs ZBO and Gasol struggle a bit, whereas Aldridge and Horford excel in that environment. M. Gasol is a better passer than both our guys, but both our guys are better passers than ZBo. Zbo is a better interior scorer than our guys, but both our guys are better in the post than marc.
Basically, our tandem is well equipped to deal with both the Blake/Ibaka's of the world while also handling the Duncan's and Howards.
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You think Horford is a better defender than Gasol? Agree to not there for me, but you've watched a lot more Griz games than I have.
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You think Horford is a better defender than Gasol? Agree to not there for me, but you've watched a lot more Griz games than I have.
In 2010 he was an allstar mostly because of his defense. I love me some Marc, but that will never be the case for him. Then in 2011, he had his strongest offensive game and became an All NBA Center.
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You think Horford is a better defender than Gasol? Agree to not there for me, but you've watched a lot more Griz games than I have.
In 2010 he was an allstar mostly because of his defense. I love me some Marc, but that will never be the case for him. Then in 2011, he had his strongest offensive game and became an All NBA Center.
Who is the first option, second option, third option? I ask mostly bc of Rudy Gay. I like Horford and Aldridge together on offense. Still thinking about defense. But Gay has never shown that he could play well with both Gasol and ZBO. Now while a lot of that is due to injuries the times ZBO, Gasol, and Gay did play together there wasn't a great deal of continuity. Some of that is on Zbo and his passing out of the post.
Some of that is because both players, I believe, want to be the man on offense. 2 years ago it was Zbo and last year it was Gay. In my opinion Gay will end up being the alpha dog on this team. Horford has always deferred to Joe Johnson and LA deferred to Roy for a very long time. I can see them deferring to Gay. Thing is, is that I am not sure that's a good thing.
How do you keep Gay involved and still utilize your strength in the paint?
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You think Horford is a better defender than Gasol? Agree to not there for me, but you've watched a lot more Griz games than I have.
In 2010 he was an allstar mostly because of his defense. I love me some Marc, but that will never be the case for him. Then in 2011, he had his strongest offensive game and became an All NBA Center.
Who is the first option, second option, third option? I ask mostly bc of Rudy Gay. I like Horford and Aldridge together on offense. Still thinking about defense. But Gay has never shown that he could play well with both Gasol and ZBO. Now while a lot of that is due to injuries the times ZBO, Gasol, and Gay did play together there wasn't a great deal of continuity. Some of that is on Zbo and his passing out of the post.
Some of that is because both players, I believe, want to be the man on offense. 2 years ago it was Zbo and last year it was Gay. In my opinion Gay will end up being the alpha dog on this team. Horford has always deferred to Joe Johnson and LA deferred to Roy for a very long time. I can see them deferring to Gay. Thing is, is that I am not sure that's a good thing.
How do you keep Gay involved and still utilize your strength in the paint?
Actually one of the most remarkable things about Gay is how once he made the leap, his production has been consistent no matter who was on the team. When they drafted OJ Mayo and Marc came over he averaged 19 ppg. When they added Zbo his scoring stayed the same. When Zbo was out but Conley and Gasol were elevating Rudy didn't get in their way but he didn't defer and kept his production the same. That's why he's an ideal fit on this team, he's able to be consistently productive with All Star teammates but he's also morphed into this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKr-SZ3-AAE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKr-SZ3-AAE)
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You think Horford is a better defender than Gasol? Agree to not there for me, but you've watched a lot more Griz games than I have.
In 2010 he was an allstar mostly because of his defense. I love me some Marc, but that will never be the case for him. Then in 2011, he had his strongest offensive game and became an All NBA Center.
Who is the first option, second option, third option? I ask mostly bc of Rudy Gay. I like Horford and Aldridge together on offense. Still thinking about defense. But Gay has never shown that he could play well with both Gasol and ZBO. Now while a lot of that is due to injuries the times ZBO, Gasol, and Gay did play together there wasn't a great deal of continuity. Some of that is on Zbo and his passing out of the post.
Some of that is because both players, I believe, want to be the man on offense. 2 years ago it was Zbo and last year it was Gay. In my opinion Gay will end up being the alpha dog on this team. Horford has always deferred to Joe Johnson and LA deferred to Roy for a very long time. I can see them deferring to Gay. Thing is, is that I am not sure that's a good thing.
How do you keep Gay involved and still utilize your strength in the paint?
Actually one of the most remarkable things about Gay is how once he made the leap, his production has been consistent no matter who was on the team. When they drafted OJ Mayo and Marc came over he averaged 19 ppg. When they added Zbo his scoring stayed the same. When Zbo was out but Conley and Gasol were elevating Rudy didn't get in their way but he didn't defer and kept his production the same. That's why he's an ideal fit on this team, he's able to be consistently productive with All Star teammates but he's also morphed into this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKr-SZ3-AAE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKr-SZ3-AAE)
Good response. So Rudy Gay will be the leader of this team and the guy who will have the ball in the crucial moments of close games?
After all there is only one ball. In the real NBA OKC gives it to Harden or KD, the Lakers give it to Kobe, Boston to Pierce or Rondo, and Miami to Wade and James. Clearly you won't give it to TA, but what about Holiday? Do you trust him? Or is it Rudy Gay or bust as far as make the right decision to win us the game.
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so here's a question:
are you guys (lake show) comfortable with your vet leadership right now or is that something you plan to target in the next few rounds? i love the makeup of the team but not a ton of playoff success individually - again, something that can always be addressed in due time.
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so here's a question:
are you guys (lake show) comfortable with your vet leadership right now or is that something you plan to target in the next few rounds? i love the makeup of the team but not a ton of playoff success individually - again, something that can always be addressed in due time.
Nah, it's not really a concern. Especially not with the playoff success Tony's had as well as Horford's pedigree. both of whom, to answer Kane's question, we feel are the leader's of the team, whereas we trust Rudy to make the correct decision with the ball late in games.
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Any thoughts on the Blizz?
Billups
Johnson
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Millsap
Howard
I think i have what it takes to take the northwest from Who's Jazz assuming i'm able to round out a rotation properly.
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Any thoughts on the Blizz?
Billups
Johnson
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Millsap
Howard
I think i have what it takes to take the northwest from Who's Jazz assuming i'm able to round out a rotation properly.
Definitely a solid core to build around assuming Chauncey comes back relatively healthy. Millsap and Howard is impressive though.
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any thoughts on my and jsd core:
derrick rose
tyreke evans
gerald wallace
Pau Gasol
Deandre Jordan
bench: JJ Redick
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any thoughts on my and jsd core:
derrick rose
tyreke evans
gerald wallace
Pau Gasol
Deandre Jordan
bench: JJ Redick
Its gonna be a heck of a team in 2013-2014, as long as Pau and Crash don't fall off a cliff.
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any thoughts on my and jsd core:
derrick rose
tyreke evans
gerald wallace
Pau Gasol
Deandre Jordan
bench: JJ Redick
Its gonna be a heck of a team in 2013-2014, as long as Pau and Crash don't fall off a cliff.
do you think we will make the playoffs this year as drose comes back in march
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any thoughts on my and jsd core:
derrick rose
tyreke evans
gerald wallace
Pau Gasol
Deandre Jordan
bench: JJ Redick
Its gonna be a heck of a team in 2013-2014, as long as Pau and Crash don't fall off a cliff.
do you think we will make the playoffs this year as drose comes back in march
I think IP's telling you not to think about 2012-13 with Rose gone so long.
I am not sure about Tyreke Evans as PG for this lineup in the interim. He's a very gifted player, but not a natural PG. If you can find another one in these next few rounds, I'd feel a lot better about your team's ability to contend for a playoff spot.
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any thoughts on my and jsd core:
derrick rose
tyreke evans
gerald wallace
Pau Gasol
Deandre Jordan
bench: JJ Redick
Its gonna be a heck of a team in 2013-2014, as long as Pau and Crash don't fall off a cliff.
do you think we will make the playoffs this year as drose comes back in march
I think IP's telling you not to think about 2012-13 with Rose gone so long.
I am not sure about Tyreke Evans as PG for this lineup in the interim. He's a very gifted player, but not a natural PG. If you can find another one in these next few rounds, I'd feel a lot better about your team's ability to contend for a playoff spot.
Yeah the thing about Rose is that he is out until March. And after seeing TA and Perk with similar injuries he might not get back up to speed until 2014-15.
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Denver Nuggets:
C - KG
PF - Boozer
SF - Trevor Ariza
SG - O.J. Mayo
PG - Mike Conley Jr.
Thoughts?
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Denver Nuggets:
C - KG
PF - Boozer
SF - Trevor Ariza
SG - O.J. Mayo
PG - Mike Conley Jr.
Thoughts?
I think it could use some better shooters, especially someone who can hit threes; KG and Boozer are better jump shooters than your wings/guards. Neither Mayo nor Ariza are very efficient players. I think you've got the potential to field a decent defensive team.
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Denver Nuggets:
C - KG
PF - Boozer
SF - Trevor Ariza
SG - O.J. Mayo
PG - Mike Conley Jr.
Thoughts?
I think it could use some better shooters, especially someone who can hit threes; KG and Boozer are better jump shooters than your wings/guards. Neither Mayo nor Ariza are very efficient players. I think you've got the potential to field a decent defensive team.
yes.. this or hell of rebounders
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Denver Nuggets:
C - KG
PF - Boozer
SF - Trevor Ariza
SG - O.J. Mayo
PG - Mike Conley Jr.
Thoughts?
I think it could use some better shooters, especially someone who can hit threes; KG and Boozer are better jump shooters than your wings/guards. Neither Mayo nor Ariza are very efficient players. I think you've got the potential to field a decent defensive team.
Conley and Mayo can hit from deep.
Trevor Ariza, while not a great shooter from deep, is a decent one. Plus, TA is a good passer for a SF, long, athletic, and a good defender.
Don't agree with your assessment that KG and Boozer are better shooters than my wings and guards, at all.
I believe that as a whole my entire team can hit J's. But I believe I have sufficient offense to get the job done.
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The funny thing is that in past drafts, some here have raved on Boozer, lol...I guess it depends on who has him, right?
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The funny thing is that in past drafts, some here have raved on Boozer, lol...I guess it depends on who has him, right?
right
but you still need rebounds
I overall like the players
I am not sure about the construction
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Denver Nuggets:
C - KG
PF - Boozer
SF - Trevor Ariza
SG - O.J. Mayo
PG - Mike Conley Jr.
Thoughts?
I think it could use some better shooters, especially someone who can hit threes; KG and Boozer are better jump shooters than your wings/guards. Neither Mayo nor Ariza are very efficient players. I think you've got the potential to field a decent defensive team.
Conley and Mayo can hit from deep.
Trevor Ariza, while not a great shooter from deep, is a decent one. Plus, TA is a good passer for a SF, long, athletic, and a good defender.
Don't agree with your assessment that KG and Boozer are better shooters than my wings and guards, at all.
I believe that as a whole my entire team can hit J's. But I believe I have sufficient offense to get the job done.
Last season's numbers (stats by ESPN and by Hoopdata):
Conley: 43.3 FG%, 37.7 3PT%
Mayo: 40.6 FG%, 36.4 3PT%
Ariza: 41.7 FG%, 33% 3PT%
Boozer: from 10-23 feet from the rim, shot 43-45 FG%
KG: from 10-23 feet from the rim, shot 40-48 FG%
By comparison, top-40 ranking for 3PT% is 38.5%. So Conley is probably around the top 50 in that regard.
Your guards and Ariza can hit jump shots, of course. But they don't seem to do it as consistently as your bigs. Perhaps I should have said "more consistent" than "better" in my post.
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i like it when you talk fancy
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FAYI, I'm away during the day most of this next week so be sure to at least CC SO on all trades.
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Any thoughts on the Blizz?
Billups
Johnson
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Millsap
Howard
I think i have what it takes to take the northwest from Who's Jazz assuming i'm able to round out a rotation properly.
Definitely a solid core to build around assuming Chauncey comes back relatively healthy. Millsap and Howard is impressive though.
Yeah it looks like the real life Clips expect a meaningful contribution from him this season.
JJ's ballhandling ability should be able to mitigate his exposure while he eases his way back into shape & a rhythm. Plus he won't be expected to carry a heavy scoring burden at any point. To me it seems like an ideal situation for a player in his shoes.
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The funny thing is that in past drafts, some here have raved on Boozer, lol...I guess it depends on who has him, right?
Personally I hate that kind of rational. "Someone doesn't like my players, must be because of a personal thing."
Come on. Did you see Boozer's playoffs? 42% shooting (terrible) 4 turnovers (terrible), his defense was terrible, Taj Gibson outplayed him!
The regular season? Worst since his rookie year. He's gotten worse by small steps since 2008.
Now, if you think people rated him differently last year, fine. That's likely because he was a year younger, and it was his first season in Chicago, and he didn't play for the first 20 games of it at that. There is usually an acclimation period.
But Boozer was healthy all year, and still posted a near career low in rebound rate (his lowest in 7 years at that), and was even pulled at the end of some games for his defense.
I don't mean to come off as mean or anything here, but the notion that, "I guess people don't like my guys, probably cuz they don't like me as much as other guys" is garbage, and its against the game in the first class.
If we indulge in that, eventually every time people disagree, they're say it was because of some personal crap instead of the fact that maybe people think different things about players.
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Different Players are more highly or lowly regarded on this board then they might be in other places. Part of the game.
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Here are my Power Rankings after 5 Rounds. They're not official in any way or sort. They're not a consensus, or voted on or anything. Its just how I see the teams sorting out after 5 rounds, and I tried to give some explanation, and my thoughts on each team. Just me.
If your team isn't listed, its cuz you didn't post it in the team rosters thread.
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=59297.0
1) Portland Trailblazers
-Guards: Chauncey Billups, Joe Johnson
Forwards: Paul Millsap
Centers: Dwight Howard
Seriously? Billups-Johnson-Millsap-Howard? I mean yeah, Billups will likely be a borderline liability on defense, and little more than a sometimes post-up option and spot shooter, but the criticism pretty much stops there. Joe Johnson covers for any kind of ‘pure point’ issues you have with Chauncey Billups. Paul Millsap is a versatile floor-spacing PF to cover to any ‘crowding issues’, and Dwight Howard is the best center in basketball. Although, he was recently described as a ‘mental midget’.
2) Dallas Mavericks
LeBron’s the best player in the world. Lowry is a very good point guard, plays both ways, and plays hard. Elton Brand has re-modeled himself as a very capable defender and 3rd or 3th option on offense. Andersen Varejao is a tough defender, and what he lacks in athleticism or skill, he makes up for with grit and motor. Ben Gordon I don’t really feel one way or the other about. Well, I mean, I feel like he’s a 7th player on a very good team. They’ve got picks galore Monday so whatever I write now is likely meaningless.
3) LA Lakers
Guards: Jrue Holiday, Tony Allen
Forwards: Rudy Gay, LaMarcus Aldridge
Centers: Al Horford
Hyper-athletic, big, quick, elite defense. These are the words I ponder when thinking about the Lakers. StartOrien compared them to the actual Grizzlies from 2011, and they resemble the Griz but don’t mirror them. They’re more athletic in the frontcourt, a little less skilled. A wash in terms of overall quality (when you factor in the years Z-Bo and Gasol had towards the end). They keep it original with Rudy Gay and Tony Allen, and then brought on Jrue Holiday. Holiday isn’t the ideal replacement for Conley (and its not really fair to think of him like that), and that’s because he’s not really much of a passer. Among starting point guards, only Kyrie Irving, Brandon Jennings, Russell Westbrook, and Brandon Knight have lower assist ratios, which wouldn’t be such a big deal if he was a more versatile scorer, but he’s not. He’s defensively very good, and a decent shooter, but his passing is a concern considering the other guys in the lineup.
4) Boston Celtics
Guards: TBD
Forwards: Kevin Durant, Ersan Ilyasova, Anthony Randolph
Centers: Andrew Bynum
Great 1-2 punch of Durant/Bynum. In all likelihood the best 1-2 punch of the draft. Everything else, I’m not crazy about. Ilyasova brings a lot to the table as a starter, but he brings some negatives as well. Just looking at his basic stats, he looks like a lights out 3pt shooter from the 4, and a terrific rebounder. Couple that with his reputation as an active player on both sides of the ball, and it’s a no-brainer; pair him with a low-post scorer, call it a day. But Illy’s 3pt numbers are so good because he got just white-hot after the all-star break, and speaking as an Ilyasova fan, that’s worrying. Ilyasova’s talent has never been the question, its been consistency. Plus, Illy isn’t a great P&R partner for Durant, not a bad one, but not elite, which is what you’d like to see here. Neither Bynum or Ilyasova has a reliable mid-range shot, and that limits the offense considerably in my opinion. At the end of the day though, the biggest issue facing this team is that they’re going to have to put together two starters after the 5th round. A lot of teams can get by with just one, but two is going to be tough.
5) Atlanta Hawks
Guards: George Hill, Kobe
Forwards: David West
C: Duncan
Kobe-Duncan-West is a great core. Its not Kobe-Gasol-Bynum, but while I don’t think its ‘as good’ I don’t think its too much worse either, and its constructed in a way that I think favors Kobe even more. Duncan is a better passer than Gasol, and both Dunan and West are on par with Gasol as jump shooters. While I don’t think either one matches Bynum as a ‘dump-down’ option, I’d put Duncan right there with Gasol. George Hill is a great addition too, as he can actually defend and shoot, as well as play as a point guard. It’s a team assembled around Kobe, and done well. Gonna be slim pickins for a SF, but as long as he can shoot the 3 and defend, it should be okay.
6) Detroit Pistons
Guards: Chris Paul, Wes Matthews
Forwards: Danny Granger
Centers: Nene
Chris Paul is a freakin magic-man. He’s the best point guard in the league. He’s a elite scorer, elite passer, elite defender, and elite leader. I was praying he’d fall to me at 1.5, and was disappointed when I learned he wouldn’t. After that though, the team lacks players I’d call elite. Nene is a good player, Wes Matthews is a good player, Danny Granger, I’m mixed on. Now, there is another factor to consider here, and that’s the known fact that Chris Paul makes players better. If any of these guys played on a team with Chris Paul for a season, their stock would rise. Open looks, getting the ball in the most advantageous position possible to get a good look, even if it isn’t wide open. The role players all have very defined roles as well; Nene is the defender and post operator, Matthews is a shooter and defender, Granger is a 2nd option scorer, as he should be. Good potential here, but I do wish there was a bit more of a ‘wow’ factor in a role next to Chris Paul.
7) Indiana Pacers
Guards: Rondo, Avery Bradley
Forwards: Batum, Scola
Centers: Monroe
Rondo made a believer out of me this post-season. Not that he’s a top-5 point guard, I already knew that. He made me believe that he’s a top-20 player, on his own, with or without the Big 3. That alone frames this team, because it, as opposed to the Celtics which still revolve mostly around KG and Pierce, is built around Rondo. High-level defense, good shooters, tough post players. Rondo-Monroe is a great 1-2 punch to start, and should be a dominating 1-2 punch when Monroe really comes into his own in a year or so. Avery Bradley and Batum are both guys who could (should) be lockdown defenders for years, and should be both 15 ppg guys with Rondo giving them the looks. Scola is likely headed for a slow decline, but it’ll be slow and he’s played slow and tough, and I think nobody will really notice for a couple of years anyways. Very strong team.
8) Utah Jazz
Guards: Deron Williams, Gordon Hayward
Forwards: Zach Randolph, Danilo Gallinari, Andrei Kirilenko
Centers: (none)
Very athletic, offensively very dangerous. Hinges on a couple of risky plays in Z-Bo and Kirilenko, but they’re not really outrageous bets. Gallinari’s shooting is the only real issue I have, seemed to fall off a bit last year from range, and unless he’s hitting 38% from 3, I feel like he’s just an average guy getting 10 shots.
9) Phoenix Suns
Guards: Steve Nash, DeMar DeRozan
Forwards: Kevin Love, Tayshaun Prince
Centers: Joakim Noah
Really like this team. Nash-Love-Noah fits together very well, and I don’t think Tayshaun Prince is a bad addition either. Really not in love with DeMar DeRozan there. But, that aside the team should be a killer in transition, and pretty decent in the half-court as well. Steve Nash hasn’t has as good a P&R option as Kevin Love since healthy Amare Stoudemire.
10) NYK
Guards-Ricky Rubio and Courtney Lee
Fowards- Carmelo Anthony,Serge Ibaka,and Andrea Bargs
Center- Kendrick Perkins
Rubio isn’t healthy yet, and might not be until well into next season. Carmelo Anthony is still Carmelo Anthony, a confirmed coach killer, and ultimate player-diva, who isn’t nearly as efficient as his skill-level says he should be as a scorer. Serge Ibaka is still a work in progress who puts up great stat lines but ultimately isn’t a great team-defender. Perkins is still a tough-nosed sonofabiscuit, who isn’t a good anchor defensively and is very limited offensively. Bargnani is still a very gifted offensive player and a very flawed player at the same time. There are a lot of problems with this team.
But oh, man, if it works. If Rubio gets healthy and gets the room to do what he does without someone getting in the way. If Melo finally buys in and learns to only put a part of the team on his back every night (instead of the whole thing) and passes smarter, D’s up harder, and takes smarter shots, if Bargnani shows that in a smaller role he can be a ‘bigger’ impact player, and if Perkins returns to his pre-injury form, while Ibaka gets that 15 foot jump shot just a little more consistent…
Team could be really good, or ordinary. Won’t be bad.
11) Houston Rockets
Guards: Russell Westbrook, Iman Shumpert
Forwards: Paul George, Jonas Valanciunas
Center: Marcin Gortat
I but Westbrook as a ‘superduperstar’, and I buy Marcic Gortat as a 13-10 guy on a very good team. I buy Paul George as a great prospect and good player now, and Iman Shumpert as a tenacious defender if not much else. But I don’t buy Jonas Valanciunas as a power forward, or as a starting center on a contending team, and I don’t get his selection or inclusion here at all. For that matter, I don’t really get Shumpert’s either. Why Shumpert, when there were so many other viable options at the SG, he’s gonna be out like half of next season. Not the team I expected to see fielded, and have to think there is a larger game here.
12) New Orleans Hornets
Guards: Tony Parker, Ray Allen
Forwards: David Lee, Shane Battier
Centers: Tyson Chandler
David Lee is like my own personal Shia Lebouf. Internet: “Hey man, they’re making another Indiana Jones movie, and its going to have Harrison Ford and Karen Allen in it, and awesome other actors like Ray Winstone, and John Hurt” Me: “That sounds awesome! Tell me more, I love all of those things!” Internet: “Plus, Shia Lebouf is going to be like Indiana Jones’s understudy or something, like a passing of the torch” Me: “Meh. I’ll wait for DVD.”
That’s how I feel about David Lee. As to the actual team, Tony Parker and Tyson Chandler are obviously beasts, and Shane Battier is a personal favorite, but I don’t think Ray Allen could guard any other shooting guard other than…well like anyone, anymore. On top of that, David Lee. On paper there is a top of talent and production here, but I really don’t like the way it all fits together. I don’t hate it, I’m assuming they’ll make the playoffs, but if David Lee was replaced by like Paul Millsap or something, I’d be higher on this squad.
13) Oklahoma City Thunder
Guards: Monta Ellis
Forwards: Kawhi Leonard, Blake Griffin
Centers: Marc Gasol
I like Gasol, Griffin, and Leonard well enough. Actually Gasol and Griffin I like more than well enough, I like them a ton. Playing next to Gasol, a versatile offensive center and gifted passer, Griffin should be a lot better, because his runway gets larger. Kawhi Leonard is a good option as a tough defender and spot shooter from the 3, and he’s a really good rebounder for the position, and can play some time at the 4. Monta Ellis should also provide crazy scoring, and he should have all the picks his mind can handle.
14) Denver Nuggets
Guards: Mike Conley, OJ Mayo
Forwards: Carlos Boozer, Trevor Ariza
Centers: KG
Mike Conley is the point guard this league has forgotten about. He’s actually pretty darn good. He’s not elite, but he is a legitimate starter, and within the top 15 of the league. We all know about Kevin Garnett, so no need to dwell on him. But after Conley and KG, this team has a few questions. One, Boozer’s play has been pretty below expectations in Chicago, and you have to think ‘bouncing back’ is not an option at this point. He’s been getting worse since 2008. Trevor Ariza, after his fantastic half a year in LA, has never been the guy he’s supposed to be, although I guess he’s a serviceable starter. OJ Mayo has much the same concern, without the actual prior success to back it up.
15) Miami
Gaurds: Brandon Jennings, JET
Forwards: Josh Smith, Kris Humphries
Centers: Al Jefferson
I like Al Jefferson’s growth this past year, and finally became the best player on a playoff team. I hated his playoffs though. Hated them. He just wilted under Tim Duncan. I liked Josh Smith’s growth this year too, and while maybe I’m in the minority but I think his maturity issues are mostly gone. His shot selection isn’t great, but last year it kinda had to be, and I think he could be reined in. I really think Kris Humphries shouldn’t be a starter on a good team, cuz I think he’s not really a good player. Brandon Jennings had a good year last year, and JET is the Jet. I’m not big on either player (sacrilege in JET’s case, I know), but I think I should be a lot more impressed by Brandon Jennings than I am. He’s never been a very good ‘pure point’ player, but he had his best scoring season by a long shot, both in terms of volume and efficiency. His assists and turnover mostly stayed put, but they weren’t ever that great in the first place. But even picking at that, I feel like I am ‘looking’ for reasons to hate on Jennings rather than looking for reasons to endorse him at this point.
16) Orlando Magic
Guards: Marcus Thorton, Gerald Henderson, Jeff Teague
Forwards: Amar'e Stoudemire, Luol Deng
Centers: JaVale McGee
This team revolves around Amar’e Stoudemire, and honestly I wonder just how much revolving will be done. His injuries seem to be adding up, and his contract was uninsurable for a reason. I like the back-court of Teague and Henderson, with Thorton coming off the bench, and honestly I’m getting to be more of a fan of JaVale McGee’s crazy persona. In the playoffs he looked downright dangerous at times, and he ought to bring a lot of energy to the starting 5. Luol Deng is Luol Deng, a above average starter, sometimes elite defender, and jack-of-all trades offensive weapon. Basically the new Tayshaun Prince.
17) Cleveland Cavs
Cleveland Cavs: Yoki_IsTheName
Guards: Kyrie Irving, Brandon Rush
Forwards: Thaddeus Young, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Harrison Barnes
Centers: Andrew Bogut
Superduperstar in the making, check. Tough-nosed absurdly versatile defender who has been repeatedly compared to Scottie Pippen, check. Versatile scorer with sweet, sweet shooting stroke, check. Mix in a elite (when healthy) rebounder and elite defender at center just entering his prime and a useful combo-forward to keep the fast breaks burning up the court, you got a stew cooking. I don’t think this is a playoff team this year but like the Wolves last year, it will be ‘cant miss tv this season’, and a playoff thread next season. After that…
18) San Antonio Spurs
Guards: James Harden, John Wall
Forwards: Taj Gibson
Centers: Brook Lopez
Love James Harden, I think the Finals are going to leave a bad taste in people’s mouths, but I wouldn’t worry about it at all long-term. Love Taj Gibson, he, along with Kenneth Faried and Thad Young, is pretty much the reason people have been quoting this exchange: “What is he, a power forward? A small forward? A tweener?” “No, HE’S A BASKETBALL PLAYER!”
Not wild about Brook Lopez or John Wall though, I think Wall had a better sophomore season than people realize, but there is just so much room for improvement. Brook Lopez, man I don’t even know about that guy. Doesn’t like rebounds. Can’t stay on the court. Has an affinity for Disney Movies that should be endearing to the modern NBA nerd-base, but somehow isn’t.
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indeed proceed where would you rank the wizarrds?
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indeed proceed where would you rank the wizarrds?
Somewhere between 13-16.
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indeed proceed where would you rank the wizarrds?
Somewhere between 13-16.
and 16 teams make the playoffs right?
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Stunned at where you rank knicks?????? Rubio will be healthy before start of camp and cant link multiple articles that say he is not only schedule but ahead of schedule!!
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Detroit will take 6th for now. ;D
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The funny thing is that in past drafts, some here have raved on Boozer, lol...I guess it depends on who has him, right?
Trust me, having Boozer hasn't been quite so rosy as you make it out to be. There's always been a lot of skepticism about him, and that's before he had arguably his second worst season as a pro.
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Ouch.. Last IP??
You do realize Doc is coaching this team right?
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Chris Paul is a freakin magic-man. He’s the best point guard in the league. He’s a elite scorer, elite passer, elite defender, and elite leader. I was praying he’d fall to me at 1.5, and was disappointed when I learned he wouldn’t.
You would have preferred CP3 over D-Wade?
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I think this is an opportune time to remind people that the Coaches round is ongoing throughout the weekend.
Also, commissioner WDleehi and everyone who's helped with constructive criticism, trade announcements, and keeping the boards up to date (IP, Roy, Who, Gainesville Celtic, The Walker Wiggle, etc.) should be receiving your TPs. Please give.
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Awesome contribution IP. Very well done. And im not just saying that because of where you place the Blazers...
Ok, yeah I am.
but really my only quibble is I think im a bit more of a fan of SAS than you.
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Chris Paul is a freakin magic-man. He’s the best point guard in the league. He’s a elite scorer, elite passer, elite defender, and elite leader. I was praying he’d fall to me at 1.5, and was disappointed when I learned he wouldn’t.
You would have preferred CP3 over D-Wade?
Yes, absolutely
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No 6th rounders and 3 6th rounders and not considering green deffinetly weight on the ranks
but ty
IP
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No 6th rounders and 3 6th rounders and not considering green deffinetly weight on the ranks
but ty
IP
I dont think Jeff Green wouldve changed my ranking at all, but the other 6s very well might. Besides I really doubt your roster stays as is without one more big boy trade.
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looking to move pick 12.2 and 13.10 for a 6th-7th pick
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No 6th rounders and 3 6th rounders and not considering green deffinetly weight on the ranks
but ty
IP
I dont think Jeff Green wouldve changed my ranking at all, but the other 6s very well might. Besides I really doubt your roster stays as is without one more big boy trade.
I am not sure about your last statement amigo
and your doubt
but
considering your No.1 depth I have to put it in hold
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looking to move pick 12.2 and 13.10 for a 6th-7th pick
good luck with that
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The funny thing is that in past drafts, some here have raved on Boozer, lol...I guess it depends on who has him, right?
Personally I hate that kind of rational. "Someone doesn't like my players, must be because of a personal thing."
Come on. Did you see Boozer's playoffs? 42% shooting (terrible) 4 turnovers (terrible), his defense was terrible, Taj Gibson outplayed him!
The regular season? Worst since his rookie year. He's gotten worse by small steps since 2008.
Now, if you think people rated him differently last year, fine. That's likely because he was a year younger, and it was his first season in Chicago, and he didn't play for the first 20 games of it at that. There is usually an acclimation period.
But Boozer was healthy all year, and still posted a near career low in rebound rate (his lowest in 7 years at that), and was even pulled at the end of some games for his defense.
I don't mean to come off as mean or anything here, but the notion that, "I guess people don't like my guys, probably cuz they don't like me as much as other guys" is garbage, and its against the game in the first class.
If we indulge in that, eventually every time people disagree, they're say it was because of some personal crap instead of the fact that maybe people think different things about players.
First underlined part - it's never personal. Just defending my players.
for instance, your power rankings has a team with Chauncey as your number 1 team - but he shot 36% last year. He shot well from deep, but again - didn't see any criticism of him. Plus, he's coming off of a major injury - and he's a bit older.
As for Boozer - tell that criticism to the 5 or 6 posters here who have inquired about his services. Plus, he still defends nearly every big here rather well.
And for your comment about what is against the game - it is also against the game rules to skip players - like what was done to me in the 2nd round.
But no one, except for one poster, even mentioned it.
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The funny thing is that in past drafts, some here have raved on Boozer, lol...I guess it depends on who has him, right?
Personally I hate that kind of rational. "Someone doesn't like my players, must be because of a personal thing."
Come on. Did you see Boozer's playoffs? 42% shooting (terrible) 4 turnovers (terrible), his defense was terrible, Taj Gibson outplayed him!
The regular season? Worst since his rookie year. He's gotten worse by small steps since 2008.
Now, if you think people rated him differently last year, fine. That's likely because he was a year younger, and it was his first season in Chicago, and he didn't play for the first 20 games of it at that. There is usually an acclimation period.
But Boozer was healthy all year, and still posted a near career low in rebound rate (his lowest in 7 years at that), and was even pulled at the end of some games for his defense.
I don't mean to come off as mean or anything here, but the notion that, "I guess people don't like my guys, probably cuz they don't like me as much as other guys" is garbage, and its against the game in the first class.
If we indulge in that, eventually every time people disagree, they're say it was because of some personal crap instead of the fact that maybe people think different things about players.
First underlined part - it's never personal. Just defending my players.
for instance, your power rankings has a team with Chauncey as your number 1 team - but he shot 36% last year. He shot well from deep, but again - didn't see any criticism of him. Plus, he's coming off of a major injury - and he's a bit older.
As for Boozer - tell that criticism to the 5 or 6 posters here who have inquired about his services. Plus, he still defends nearly every big here rather well.
And for your comment about what is against the game - it is also against the game rules to skip players - like what was done to me in the 2nd round.
But no one, except for one poster, even mentioned it.
It was not against the rules to skip players.
That's why there is time.
The rule is at the end of the round, the commish would pick the BPA and put that GM's team up for a new GM.
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Well the skipping in the second round is a new rule, one I wasn't even really trying to enforce. If you had or have an issue or complaint about that, it's for wdleehi to address, but I'm sorry if you felt slighted. I hadn't really even noticed it happened. If my understanding is correct, he would have taken whoever he thought was BPA for you when your time was up.
As far as the personal thing, that's pretty much what your comment said to me. If I misunderstood it, I apologize, but thats the conclusion I got from 'I guess it matters who has him, right?'
As far as Billups, the first thing I said about the team was a criticism of Billups. I called him a defensive liability, but I do think having the best help defender in basketball as a backstop mitigates that quite a bit. Ask Tony Parker.
As far as Boozer, I think you're overrating him quite a bit. But if anyone wants to refute that, with evidence against what I detailed, I'd be happy to listen. To my eyes he had his worst year as a full time starter, following up on another year that was a step down from his time in Utah.
And as far as 'going against the game', I mean the spirit of the thing. The idea here is that it's not a popularity contest, it's a measure of drafting ability, and ability to frame your team in argument, and defend against others teams arguments. And I think the results panthat out, because the last two champs have been StartOrien and Mgent. I should know, they both beat me in the Finals.
Edit: ah I see I was wrong anyways. It was an end of round selection of BPA.
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The idea here is that it's not a popularity contest, it's a measure of drafting ability, and ability to frame your team in argument, and defend against others teams arguments. And I think the results pan that out, because the last two champs have been StartOrien and Mgent. I should know, they both beat me in the Finals.
That's a whole different can of worms, but I do think that popularity plays into this somewhat. I think that has more to do with the final voting, though, rather than somebody's opinion of Carlos Boozer.
But are certain members harsher / more critical / less likely to vote for certain GMs than others? Of course. That sucks, and it's petty, but it's human nature and is probably unavoidable. However, just because this will inevitably happen to some extent doesn't mean that somebody should chalk all criticism up to bias. While some will argue a pretext to validate their biased vote, the majority of voters are still giving their candid opinions. But yeah, there's nothing objective about the voting at all.
And thus, why the Pick 2 draft is my favorite of the three NBA drafts.
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Look, at the end of the day I'm having fun. I have my thoughts on things, but I'll leave it at that.
I'll just tell the posters here inquiring about Boozer to steer clear of him - maybe I can pull off an "Auerbachian" trade or something.
Until then, I still believe that he's being overlooked, and that statistics don't always tell the story, here.
Perhaps Booz's FG% was bad because his starting PG missed most of the season, and CJ Watson was just not a great distributor (which he wasn't). In this Fantasy league, though, you'd have to assume the better for someone like Booz, because he'd have BOTH Conley AND KG giving him looks and both are excellent distributors.
I strongly considered drafting _____ _______, but chose not to. I thought Booz was a better player than him. Fill in the blanks - I think the player is still available, which is telling.
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Could you please tell me what this means? I see this post come up from time to time, and I am still clueless as to its exact meaning.
I still don't do internet humor well.
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The Internet is serious business thing is basically meant as a 'chill out' to all parties, poking fun at the seriousness with which they're taking an ultimately trivial thing.
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Back on topic
Love those Boxers.
Russell Westbrook - superduperstar
Iman Shumpert - he will miss only a third of the season and be there for the playoffs
Paul George - ready for a huge breakout season
Jonas Valanciunas - who may still come off the bench, but you heard it here first, he will beat out Anthony Davis for Rookie of the Year. He's that good.
Marcin Grotat - he's for real and a 15/11/1.5 beast. If he was on a contender people would be calling him the 2nd or 3rd best center in the league.
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Back on topic
Love those Boxers.
Russell Westbrook - superduperstar
Iman Shumpert - he will miss only a third of the season and be there for the playoffs
Paul George - ready for a huge breakout season
Jonas Valanciunas - who may still come off the bench, but you heard it here first, he will beat out Anthony Davis for Rookie of the Year. He's that good.
Marcin Grotat - he's for real and a 15/11/1.5 beast. If he was on a contender people would be calling him the 2nd or 3rd best center in the league.
I really like it but I think you could use some floor spacing
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Someone has my team top three in the East.
Not going to complain.
I have 4 picks tomorrow to try and improve that.
Sounds like fun.
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Back on topic
Love those Boxers.
Russell Westbrook - superduperstar
Iman Shumpert - he will miss only a third of the season and be there for the playoffs
Paul George - ready for a huge breakout season
Jonas Valanciunas - who may still come off the bench, but you heard it here first, he will beat out Anthony Davis for Rookie of the Year. He's that good. ;D
Marcin Grotat - he's for real and a 15/11/1.5 beast. If he was on a contender people would be calling him the 2nd or 3rd best center in the league.
I really like it but I think you could use some floor spacing
Yeah...I agree. But if teams with 4 players, no picks until the 7th round, and a really old PG coming off a lost season due to injury can be seen be some as the top team, I'm pretty sure the Boxers will be abke to solve their spacing problems with a couple more picks.
Honest disclosure, I see Big Val as my 6th man and will be drafting my starting PF coming up in the next round or so.
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Back on topic
Love those Boxers.
Russell Westbrook - superduperstar
Iman Shumpert - he will miss only a third of the season and be there for the playoffs
Paul George - ready for a huge breakout season
Jonas Valanciunas - who may still come off the bench, but you heard it here first, he will beat out Anthony Davis for Rookie of the Year. He's that good. ;D
Marcin Grotat - he's for real and a 15/11/1.5 beast. If he was on a contender people would be calling him the 2nd or 3rd best center in the league.
I really like it but I think you could use some floor spacing
Yeah...I agree. But if teams with 4 players, no picks until the 7th round, and a really old PG coming off a lost season due to injury can be seen be some as the top team, I'm pretty sure the Boxers will be abke to solve their spacing problems with a couple more picks.
Honest disclosure, I see Big Val as my 6th man and will be drafting my starting PF coming up in the next round or so.
I would consider bringing both Jonas and Shumpert off the bench.
Replace Shumpert in the starting lineup with more of a shot-maker at SG.
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Nick, any worries that, without a tablesetter like Steve Nash, the quality of Gortat's shots will decrease? The overwhelming majority of Gortat's scoring last season came from within 10 feet of the hoop, thanks to Nash being so effective in running the P&R.
With RW and George being the primary scorers on this team (much like in the real OKC) will Gortat's scoring be closer to Ibaka's 10 points a game?
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Nick, any worries that, without a tablesetter like Steve Nash, the quality of Gortat's shots will decrease? The overwhelming majority of Gortat's scoring last season came from within 10 feet of the hoop, thanks to Nash being so effective in running the P&R.
With RW and George being the primary scorers on this team (much like in the real OKC) will Gortat's scoring be closer to Ibaka's 10 points a game?
I dont see a problem as Gortat's ability to finish in the P&R is about as good as it gets in the league. There are stats I will show that prove this. Weztbrook is accustomed to the P&R and is pretty good at it, he just plats it with a fabulous SF and two big men with little to no offensive talent. Gortat has excellent low post skills and finishing skills on thr P&R.
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Nick, any worries that, without a tablesetter like Steve Nash, the quality of Gortat's shots will decrease? The overwhelming majority of Gortat's scoring last season came from within 10 feet of the hoop, thanks to Nash being so effective in running the P&R.
With RW and George being the primary scorers on this team (much like in the real OKC) will Gortat's scoring be closer to Ibaka's 10 points a game?
I dont see a problem as Gortat's ability to finish in the P&R is about as good as it gets in the league. There are stats I will show that prove this. Weztbrook is accustomed to the P&R and is pretty good at it, he just plats it with a fabulous SF and two big men with little to no offensive talent. Gortat has excellent low post skills and finishing skills on thr P&R.
I guess my questions weren't so much about Gortat as they are about Westbrook's ability/willingness to set him up in the P&R. I agree with everything you said above, except I have reservations about the italicized part. But I'll wait for the pressers for you to present your case more formally/forcefully.
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Sometimes when you look at synergy stats, you're like, "Man, that sucks. That doesn't makes sense at all with what I thought about that guy."
Sometimes you look at them and you're like, "Wow, I did not expect his numbers to look that great."
Pekovic was rated as one of the most efficient scorers in the league last season, 14th overall in points per possession. 4th best pick and roll man. FOURTH BEST PICK AND ROLL MAN!
That's...that's nice. I liked that.
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Nick, any worries that, without a tablesetter like Steve Nash, the quality of Gortat's shots will decrease? The overwhelming majority of Gortat's scoring last season came from within 10 feet of the hoop, thanks to Nash being so effective in running the P&R.
With RW and George being the primary scorers on this team (much like in the real OKC) will Gortat's scoring be closer to Ibaka's 10 points a game?
I dont see a problem as Gortat's ability to finish in the P&R is about as good as it gets in the league. There are stats I will show that prove this. Weztbrook is accustomed to the P&R and is pretty good at it, he just plats it with a fabulous SF and two big men with little to no offensive talent. Gortat has excellent low post skills and finishing skills on thr P&R.
I guess my questions weren't so much about Gortat as they are about Westbrook's ability/willingness to set him up in the P&R. I agree with everything you said above, except I have reservations about the italicized part. But I'll wait for the pressers for you to present your case more formally/forcefully.
You don't remember watching OKC in the playoffs and seeing Westbrook and Durant play pick and roll?
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Hey Stephen Curry, 3rd best spot-up shooter, 13th best pick and roll player ballhander, and 13th best player off of screens, what's new.
"Aw nothin much. Just hangin out with my main pick and roll man Nik Pek, chillin."
Aw cool, Stephen Curry! What are you gonna do later?
"Probably playin some defense, where I'm the 23rd best defender in isolation, and 67th best defender on the pick and roll ballhandler. You know. Maxin."
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Back on topic
Love those Boxers.
Russell Westbrook - superduperstar
Iman Shumpert - he will miss only a third of the season and be there for the playoffs
Paul George - ready for a huge breakout season
Jonas Valanciunas - who may still come off the bench, but you heard it here first, he will beat out Anthony Davis for Rookie of the Year. He's that good. ;D
Marcin Grotat - he's for real and a 15/11/1.5 beast. If he was on a contender people would be calling him the 2nd or 3rd best center in the league.
I really like it but I think you could use some floor spacing
Yeah...I agree. But if teams with 4 players, no picks until the 7th round, and a really old PG coming off a lost season due to injury can be seen be some as the top team, I'm pretty sure the Boxers will be abke to solve their spacing problems with a couple more picks.
Honest disclosure, I see Big Val as my 6th man and will be drafting my starting PF coming up in the next round or so.
haha, not really sure what that answer has to do with the opinion you were responding to, but i like that people are already getting nervous. man it feels good to be a frontrunner.
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Back on topic
Love those Boxers.
Russell Westbrook - superduperstar
Iman Shumpert - he will miss only a third of the season and be there for the playoffs
Paul George - ready for a huge breakout season
Jonas Valanciunas - who may still come off the bench, but you heard it here first, he will beat outlet Anthony Davis for Rookie of the Year. He's that good. ;D
UMarcin Grotat - he's for real and a 15/11/1.5 beast. If he was on a contender people would be calling him uthe 2nd or 3rd best center in the league.
I really like it but I think you could use some floor spacing
Yeah...I agree. But if teams with 4 players, no picks until the 7th round, and a really old PG coming off a lost season due to injury can be seen be some as the top team, I'm pretty sure the Boxers will be abke to solve their spacing problems with a couple more picks.
Honest disclosure, I see Big Val as my 6th man and will be drafting my starting PF coming up in the next round or so.
haha, not really sure what that answer has to do with the opinion you were responding to, but i like that people are already getting nervous. man it feels good to be a frontrunner.
Nervous? Hardly. Actually one team you better hope you don't get matched up against are the Boxers. Gortat knows all Howard's moves, Johnson doesn't have his standard height advantage to shoot over a SG when matched against George or Shumpert, and Chauncey will get destroyed by Westbrook, probably in a game deciding and series deciding manner.
And we already have a bench being built and two more picks before your next.
Be afraid of the Pack Portland. Be very afraid.
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Aw cool, Stephen Curry! What are you gonna do later?
Probably have another ankle surgery, like the two he's had in the last year. 8)
Sobering fact: the last guy I can remember injuring his ankles repeatedly like that was Wally Sczerbiak. Seriously, what did Curry have, something like 8 or 9 major sprains over parts of two seasons?
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Is...is that Nick back there? I'm not sure i can make him out...
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http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=westbru01&p2=howardw01
Its interesting. Westbrook has big games and not so big games against Howard. Billups though, he should just absolutely shred.
This however is a bit more telling:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=gortama01&p2=howardw01
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Aw cool, Stephen Curry! What are you gonna do later?
Probably have another ankle surgery, like the two he's had in the last year. 8)
Sobering fact: the last guy I can remember injuring his ankles repeatedly like that was Wally Sczerbiak. Seriously, what did Curry have, something like 8 or 9 major sprains over parts of two seasons?
Roy I traded for him from you after you assured me and everyone on this blog that he was a 'sure thing'. That his injury issues were completely overblown. You even implied that a guy like Bynum was a bigger injury risk.
Are you telling me that you lied and didn't believe any of that just to get someone to bite on Stephen Curry?
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http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=westbru01&p2=howardw01
Its interesting. Westbrook has big games and not so big games against Howard. Billups though, he should just absolutely shred.
This however is a bit more telling:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=gortama01&p2=howardw01
Of course, those stats are BEFORE major back surgery.
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http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=westbru01&p2=howardw01
Its interesting. Westbrook has big games and not so big games against Howard. Billups though, he should just absolutely shred.
This however is a bit more telling:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=gortama01&p2=howardw01
Of course, those stats are BEFORE major back surgery.
That's true. I wish someone would talk about Dwight's back surgery going forward. Not somoene on here, someone who actually has expertise and knowledge of the situation. It seems like the story nobody cares about, which leads me to believe its not a lingering issue.
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For all the Dwightmare stuff going on, I am surprised I have seen so little by the press whether teams looking to trade for Dwight are afraid of his back surgery. If I was about to invest $100 million on a player, knowing his back will hold up long term would be really important before trading away huge assets for him.
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yeah suprisingly little talk about it.
i mean even if its not an issue in the least bit you'd think there'd still be more chatter about it from the talking heads.
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Hey Jared Dudley, are you mad that you're not going to get to play with Steve Nash next season?
"Well, you know my main man Nash really helped my game grow. You guys might not know this but I was the 17th most efficient scorer in basketball last season, with 1.05 points per possession, which is in no small part due to my 17th best rank as a spot up shooter. But I'm not mad. I've got my man Steph Curry to help keep the defense honest, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh as dynamic players to keep the defense's focus, and Nik "The Body" Pekovic to kill it in the paint. All I've gotta do is sit around and wait for kick outs, while hitting the offensive boards. You guys would've know this, but I was the 5th best starting SF in the league last year at getting offensive rebounds."
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Hey Jared Dudley, are you mad that you're not going to get to play with Steve Nash next season?
"Well, you know my main man Nash really helped my game grow. You guys might not know this but I was the 17th most efficient scorer in basketball last season, with 1.05 points per possession, which is in no small part due to my 17th best rank as a spot up shooter. But I'm not mad. I've got my man Steph Curry to help keep the defense honest, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh as dynamic players to keep the defense's focus, and Nik "The Body" Pekovic to kill it in the paint. All I've gotta do is sit around and wait for kick outs, while hitting the offensive boards. You guys would've know this, but I was the 5th best starting SF in the league last year at getting offensive rebounds."
NO ONE CARES THAT YOU SPENT 20 BUCKS TO GET ACCESS TO SYNERGY SPORTS!
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Aw hey Dwyane Wade, what's up with you?
"Leave me alone. You know you need to keep 500 yards from my person at all times. And stop sexting Gabrielle Union. Also, might I just add, as a personal note, that I don't know what you're into, but if those pictures are any inclination, you're sick. You're sick and you need help."
Dwyane Wade, everybody!
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Hey Jared Dudley, are you mad that you're not going to get to play with Steve Nash next season?
"Well, you know my main man Nash really helped my game grow. You guys might not know this but I was the 17th most efficient scorer in basketball last season, with 1.05 points per possession, which is in no small part due to my 17th best rank as a spot up shooter. But I'm not mad. I've got my man Steph Curry to help keep the defense honest, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh as dynamic players to keep the defense's focus, and Nik "The Body" Pekovic to kill it in the paint. All I've gotta do is sit around and wait for kick outs, while hitting the offensive boards. You guys would've know this, but I was the 5th best starting SF in the league last year at getting offensive rebounds."
NO ONE CARES THAT YOU SPENT 20 BUCKS TO GET ACCESS TO SYNERGY SPORTS!
Hey now, its free. And its the first time I've actually looked at my guys with it.
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Aw cool, Stephen Curry! What are you gonna do later?
Probably have another ankle surgery, like the two he's had in the last year. 8)
Sobering fact: the last guy I can remember injuring his ankles repeatedly like that was Wally Sczerbiak. Seriously, what did Curry have, something like 8 or 9 major sprains over parts of two seasons?
Roy I traded for him from you after you assured me and everyone on this blog that he was a 'sure thing'. That his injury issues were completely overblown. You even implied that a guy like Bynum was a bigger injury risk.
Are you telling me that you lied and didn't believe any of that just to get someone to bite on Stephen Curry?
Haha. There's a reason I traded him. Those ankles aren't going to hold up. I don't think there are many guys who have that type of a stretch with repeated injuries to the same body part who suddenly have no further problems.
But yeah, Bynum is a major injury risk, too.
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Aw cool, Stephen Curry! What are you gonna do later?
Probably have another ankle surgery, like the two he's had in the last year. 8)
Sobering fact: the last guy I can remember injuring his ankles repeatedly like that was Wally Sczerbiak. Seriously, what did Curry have, something like 8 or 9 major sprains over parts of two seasons?
Roy I traded for him from you after you assured me and everyone on this blog that he was a 'sure thing'. That his injury issues were completely overblown. You even implied that a guy like Bynum was a bigger injury risk.
Are you telling me that you lied and didn't believe any of that just to get someone to bite on Stephen Curry?
Haha. There's a reason I traded him. Those ankles aren't going to hold up. I don't think there are many guys who have that type of a stretch with repeated injuries to the same body part who suddenly have no further problems.
But yeah, Bynum is a major injury risk, too.
Roy you said 'Sure Thing'. I'm going to inform the CB ethics commission on this. A man doesn't do these things and just get away with it.
I can't believe you swindled me so. I'm just...I'm just such a rube. Always too trusting.
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So here is the new, updated Roster. Have at it, kids:
Stephen Curry
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh
Somebody awesome.
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So here is the new, updated Roster. Have at it, kids:
Stephen Curry
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh
Somebody awesome.
Well, my hopes for building a division title contender in the Central just dimmed a little bit. And your selection at 6.4 will be perfect fit, I know.
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welp, at least i still have dwight.
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So here is the new, updated Roster. Have at it, kids:
Stephen Curry
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh
Somebody awesome.
trade curry for eighty cents on the dollar, take the obvious seleection at 6.4 and you'll be sittin purdy.
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So here is the new, updated Roster. Have at it, kids:
Stephen Curry
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh
Somebody awesome.
trade curry for eighty cents on the dollar, take the obvious seleection at 6.4 and you'll be sittin purdy.
I get the feeling I'm gonna screw up the 6.4, because this 'obvious choice' doesn't seem to stand out to me.
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I'll send you a pm the second you mess it up
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I'll send you a pm the second you mess it up
Ideally it'd be before, that's just me though.
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I'll send you a pm the second you mess it up
Ideally it'd be before, that's just me though.
No one wants you to succeed.
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Jonas Valanciunas - who may still come off the bench, but you heard it here first, he will beat out Anthony Davis for Rookie of the Year.
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Jonas Valanciunas - who may still come off the bench, but you heard it here first, he will beat out Anthony Davis for Rookie of the Year.
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That works for me.
Of course the whole thing is off if David Stern decides to give Davis the LeBron treatment from the refs from the get go, which, given how things have conveniently fallen into line for that franchise recently, is probably going to happen
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Jonas had 6 and 5 with 3 fouls in 14 minutes of a 23 point loss tonight. I thought you'd want to hear it from a friend.
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Jonas had 6 and 5 with 3 fouls in a 23 point loss tonight. I thought you'd want to hear it from a friend.
Saw the game. His coach refused to use the Lithuania size to their advantage and go to the bigs who had an obvious advantage over the Argentinians. When Val got his second foul he bench him to save him for the second half. Then he did the same in the 3rd quarter when he got his third. He should have continued playing him.
They needed to establish Val and that #15 guy and Kleiza down low and Argentina would have collapsed from the pressure. Instead they played the Argentines game and Scola smoked Songalia and that other guy for long periods of time. Val only played like 12 minutes and his +/- was pretty darn good from what I remember.
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TP for Nick for the posting equivalent of blocking me at the rim. Jonas's reputation survives another day.
Although loss isn't on Lithuania's coach, game wasn't close after the first and Scola got whatever he wanted against whoever was thrown against him, forward or center.
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Varejao / Brand
Lebron
Green
Gordon
Irving
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Any intrest in Andrea in here?
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Thoughts on the new team? I think with a healthy Rose to end the season I will be a difficult team to deal with in the playoffs.
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Thoughts on the new team? I think with a healthy Rose to end the season I will be a difficult team to deal with in the playoffs.
I hate what you are doing to Steph Curry.
You took this beautiful point guard and you turned him into Ben Gordon. Yuck!
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Thoughts on the new team? I think with a healthy Rose to end the season I will be a difficult team to deal with in the playoffs.
I hate what you are doing to Steph Curry.
You took this beautiful point guard and you turned him into Ben Gordon. Yuck!
He will play point guard until Rose comes back and will play there when Rose isn't in the game.
He should get a ton of open jumpers playing with Rose. Both can create and should free Cousins in the post, and free Anderson/Chandler for jumpers.
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Ah, I missed the Derrick Rose deal.
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Ah, I missed the Derrick Rose deal.
So did I. What was it?
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Ah, I missed the Derrick Rose deal.
So did I. What was it?
Rose for Kevin Martin, 6th, 12th
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Okc thunder
Pg: Billups
Sg. Monta/lee
Sf:
pf: Ibaka
C. Gasol/kaman/Perkins
We coming for you Dwight
Also might flip a center for a starting sf anyone?
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Bulls:
Jarret Jack/Jeremy Lin
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Kenneth Faried
Emeka Okafor
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Bulls:
Jarret Jack/Jeremy Lin
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Kenneth Faried
Emeka Okafor
Strong title contender but no longer the overwhelming favourite you were prior to trading Steph Curry.
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Bulls:
Jarret Jack/Jeremy Lin
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Kenneth Faried
Emeka Okafor
Strong title contender but no longer the overwhelming favourite you were prior to trading Steph Curry.
So you're sayin there's a chance. Disagree about the Curry deal, I was gonna get murdered for that injury risk.
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Ah, I missed the Derrick Rose deal.
So did I. What was it?
Rose for Kevin Martin, 6th, 12th
TP
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RRicky Rubio
Caron Butler
Carmelo Anthony
Bargnani
Blake Griffin
A lot of picks.
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is anyone in the 7th round looking to move down as i have 8.1 and i can add some 12th pick
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Bulls:
Jarret Jack/Jeremy Lin
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Kenneth Faried
Emeka Okafor
Darn good squad.
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Okc thunder
Pg: Billups
Sg. Monta/lee
Sf:
pf: Ibaka
C. Gasol/kaman/Perkins
We coming for you Dwight
Also might flip a center for a starting sf anyone?
I would seriously consider that. I'm not sure what you're gonna find for quality as a starting SF now.
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RRicky Rubio
Caron Butler
Carmelo Anthony
Bargnani
Blake Griffin
A lot of picks.
I don't like Caron Butler as a starting two.
I thought Butler played badly when Dallas tried to use him there when he first arrived in Dallas. Shortly after, they scrapped the idea and moved Marion to the bench in order to get a proper SG in there.
I think Caron Butler is an excellent backup SF though. You could move Melo to PF with Butler at SF to get Caron extra playing time. I think that would work very well. Especially with a PG like Rubio.
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Boston Celtics
Center - Andrew Bynum
PF - Ersan Ilyasova
SF - Kevin Durant
SG - TBD
PG - Jose Calderon
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Boston Celtics
Center - Andrew Bynum
PF - Ersan Ilyasova
SF - Kevin Durant
SG - TBD
PG - Jose Calderon
In excellent shape.
Very hard to disrupt Bynum's post touches with: (1) a PG like Jose Calderon (2) A 6-11 SF like Kevin Durant (3) A floor spacing PF in Ilyasova out on the three point line.
Doing an excellent job of maximizing Bynum's post game.
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Boston Celtics
Center - Andrew Bynum
PF - Ersan Ilyasova
SF - Kevin Durant
SG - TBD
PG - Jose Calderon
In excellent shape.
Very hard to disrupt Bynum's post touches with: (1) a PG like Jose Calderon (2) A 6-11 SF like Kevin Durant (3) A floor spacing PF in Ilyasova out on the three point line.
Doing an excellent job of maximizing Bynum's post game.
Thank you. TP.
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Rubio
Butler
Melo
griffin
bargs
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Looking for a center 3 8th round picks
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Looking for a center 3 8th round picks
You might be able to get Perk back if you wanted him.
Oklahoma has Perk, Kaman and Marc Gasol.
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Okay so right now G.S. is looking at:
SG Manu Ginobili
SG Klay Thompson
Point Forward Andre Iguodala
PF Anthony Davis
C Channing Frye
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Okay so right now G.S. is looking at:
SG Manu Ginobili
SG Klay Thompson
Point Forward Andre Iguodala
PF Anthony Davis
C Channing Frye
I would look to bring in a physical presence to start at center. Doesn't need to be a high minute guy. It could just be a 15-17 minute a night guy if you wanted to pursue non-centers with your next few picks. Someone who can throw his bulk around in the paint.
I'd also target a PG with your next pick. Ginobili and Iggy can make pretty much any PG work so you'll have lots of options open to you. And a physical wing behind Iggy because Manu and Klay are both lightweights.
I think three picks like that would be very nice. Round out your rotation.
That would be what I'd look to do anyway.
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Okc thunder
Pg: Billups
Sg. Monta/lee
Sf:
pf: Ibaka
C. Gasol/kaman/Perkins
We coming for you Dwight
Also might flip a center for a starting sf anyone?
I would seriously consider that. I'm not sure what you're gonna find for quality as a starting SF now.
I don't understand why CP07 traded Kawhi for Billups, when he could have taken Jarret Jack in the early 6th (instead of Kaman).
Now he's got to flip a big for a SF who's not nearly as good as Kawhi.
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The Pacers
PG Rondo
SG Bradley
SF Batum
PF Scola
C Monroe
bench
SG Beal
PF Landry
Coach : Danny Ainge
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The Pacers
PG Rondo
SG Bradley
SF Batum
PF Scola
C Monroe
bench
SG Beal
PF Landry
Nice lineup. Works as both a win now and a Futures team.
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Okc thunder
Pg: Billups
Sg. Monta/lee
Sf:
pf: Ibaka
C. Gasol/kaman/Perkins
We coming for you Dwight
Also might flip a center for a starting sf anyone?
I would seriously consider that. I'm not sure what you're gonna find for quality as a starting SF now.
I don't understand why CP07 traded Kawhi for Billups, when he could have taken Jarret Jack in the early 6th (instead of Kaman).
Now he's got to flip a big for a SF who's not nearly as good as Kawhi.
I would have taken that 39 year old PG to play alongside Monta Ellis.
I very much wanted to pair them together last year when I had that old PG but couldn't find a way to make it happen. I think it'd work very well.
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*deep breath*
Cleveland
PG - Jrue Holiday
SG - Michael Kidd - Gilchrist
SF - Harrison Barnes
PF - Andre Drummond
C - Andrew Bogut
Brandon Rush, Thaddeus Young
It's not Kyrie led, but should be in contention for TOTF right? Or Defensive team of the future?
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It's not Kyrie lead, but should be in contention for TOTF right?
Team of the future is a trap. A vote that we hold two weeks after anyone cares anymore and maybe ten guys bother to vote for - also I would shy away from starting three rookies, as opposed to carrying three rookies. I don't think it helps in any of the players' development.
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It's not Kyrie lead, but should be in contention for TOTF right?
Team of the future is a trap. A vote that we hold two weeks after anyone cares anymore and maybe ten guys both to vote for - also I would shy away from starting three rookies, as opposed to carrying three rookies. I don't think it helps in any of the players' development.
But all three are billed NBA ready. And they give so much, especially on the defensive end.
I get your point on TOTF though, thanks.
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*deep breath*
Cleveland
PG - Jrue Holiday
SG - Michael Kidd - Gilchrist
SF - Harrison Barnes
PF - Andre Drummond
C - Andrew Bogut
Brandon Rush, Thaddeus Young
It's not Kyrie led, but should be in contention for TOTF right? Or Defensive team of the future?
I would start Brandon Rush and MKG on the wing and bring Harrison Barnes off the bench. I don't think Barnes is ready to start.
I'd also start Thaddeus Young over Drummond. Your offense would be very limited with such poor spacing from Drummond and Bogut together. Plus, MKG on the perimeter. I'd be planning on Bogut as a 30-32mpg player with Drummond getting the rest at center. Occasionally spot minutes at PF but not as part of the regular rotation.
I'd look to bring in another backup PF later on. It's probably the deepest position in the league so you'll have options with your later picks.
Next pick I make would be a backup guard behind Holiday. Holiday is a nice big defensively capable point guard who could defend the two if necessary. You could play Holiday and your new PG alongside one another at times. Get more minutes out of him. I think that is the best value pick for your next selection. Still good talent available at PG.
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Okay so right now G.S. is looking at:
SG Manu Ginobili
SG Klay Thompson
Point Forward Andre Iguodala
PF Anthony Davis
C Channing Frye
Point forwards sound nice in theory, but I think there's a reason why they are so rarely used in the NBA. The only time they are really used is when a starting pg goes to the bench.
The defending NBA champions have the best point forward in the game and don't elect to use him as one, but instead start a point guard that hasn't even been drafted yet.
I'd imagine that any real NBA coach that had this squad would probably prefer any available PG to start at PG and then bring one of your wings off the bench as 6th man.
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*deep breath*
Cleveland
PG - Jrue Holiday
SG - Michael Kidd - Gilchrist
SF - Harrison Barnes
PF - Andre Drummond
C - Andrew Bogut
Brandon Rush, Thaddeus Young
It's not Kyrie led, but should be in contention for TOTF right? Or Defensive team of the future?
I would start Brandon Rush and MKG on the wing and bring Harrison Barnes off the bench. I don't think Barnes is ready to start.
I'd also start Thaddeus Young over Drummond. Your offense would be very limited with such poor spacing from Drummond and Bogut together. Plus, MKG on the perimeter. I'd be planning on Bogut as a 30-32mpg player with Drummond getting the rest at center. Occasionally spot minutes at PF but not as part of the regular rotation.
I'd look to bring in another backup PF later on. It's probably the deepest position in the league so you'll have options with your later picks.
Next pick I make would be a backup guard behind Holiday. Holiday is a nice big defensively capable point guard who could defend the two if necessary. You could play Holiday and your new PG alongside one another at times. Get more minutes out of him. I think that is the best value pick for your next selection. Still good talent available at PG.
PG - Holiday
SG - Rush / MKG
SF - MKG / Barnes
PF - Thad Young / Drummond
C - Bogut / Drummond
Like this?
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*deep breath*
Cleveland
PG - Jrue Holiday
SG - Michael Kidd - Gilchrist
SF - Harrison Barnes
PF - Andre Drummond
C - Andrew Bogut
Brandon Rush, Thaddeus Young
It's not Kyrie led, but should be in contention for TOTF right? Or Defensive team of the future?
I would start Brandon Rush and MKG on the wing and bring Harrison Barnes off the bench. I don't think Barnes is ready to start.
I'd also start Thaddeus Young over Drummond. Your offense would be very limited with such poor spacing from Drummond and Bogut together. Plus, MKG on the perimeter. I'd be planning on Bogut as a 30-32mpg player with Drummond getting the rest at center. Occasionally spot minutes at PF but not as part of the regular rotation.
I'd look to bring in another backup PF later on. It's probably the deepest position in the league so you'll have options with your later picks.
Next pick I make would be a backup guard behind Holiday. Holiday is a nice big defensively capable point guard who could defend the two if necessary. You could play Holiday and your new PG alongside one another at times. Get more minutes out of him. I think that is the best value pick for your next selection. Still good talent available at PG.
PG - Holiday
SG - Rush / MKG
SF - MKG / Barnes
PF - Thad Young / Drummond
C - Bogut / Drummond
Like this?
Yep, that's how I would lineup.
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Okay so right now G.S. is looking at:
SG Manu Ginobili
SG Klay Thompson
Point Forward Andre Iguodala
PF Anthony Davis
C Channing Frye
Point forwards sound nice in theory, but I think there's a reason why they are so rarely used in the NBA. The only time they are really used is when a starting pg goes to the bench.
The defending NBA champions have the best point forward in the game and don't elect to use him as one, but instead start a point guard that hasn't even been drafted yet.
I'd imagine that any real NBA coach that had this squad would probably prefer any available PG to start at PG and then bring one of your wings off the bench as 6th man.
Thank for the response Action. I'd respond that conventional coaching wisdom doesn't always hold - for example benching starters for early foul trouble. Also functionally I'm not sure what's to be gained by starting Mario Chalmers - he's off the board so we can discuss him now - and his 4.4 assists per 36 over either Manu Ginobili and his 6.9 assists per or Iguodala and his 5.5? Manu is a better passer than Mario and a strong enough ball handler to handle pressure in the backcourt, does it help if I just label him my 1?
Also I'll be very interested to see if the actual Heat don't at least consider starting Wade and Ray together in the backcourt.
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Utah
PG: Deron Williams, Rodney Stuckey
SG: Gordon Hayward
SF: Danilo Gallinari
PF: Zach Randolph, Andrei Kirilenko
C: Omer Asik
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Utah
PG: Deron Williams, Rodney Stuckey
SG: Gordon Hayward
SF: Danilo Gallinari
PF: Zach Randolph, Andrei Kirilenko
C: Omer Asik
I'd like to see you start ak7 over Gallo. I don't like Hayward and Gallo together defensively on the wings.
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Utah
PG: Deron Williams, Rodney Stuckey
SG: Gordon Hayward
SF: Danilo Gallinari
PF: Zach Randolph, Andrei Kirilenko
C: Omer Asik
While Hayward has the skills to play 2, is he quick enough.
Even then this is a great team.
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Utah
PG: Deron Williams, Rodney Stuckey
SG: Gordon Hayward
SF: Danilo Gallinari
PF: Zach Randolph, Andrei Kirilenko
C: Omer Asik
I'd like to see you start ak7 over Gallo. I don't like Hayward and Gallo together defensively on the wings.
Yeah, I thought about that some when I was deciding to draft Hayward and trying to figure out how best to use him. Either as a starter or as 7th man type. Try to get a high wing defender in there.
In the end, I decided I liked them best together as starters. That by the time I got around to selecting that wing defender, inserting them into the starting lineup wouldn't be a net-gain for me.
I think both guys are pretty solid defensively and add a lot offensively. I think their ability to make plays offensively will give my team a regular advantage over the defensive role player types at both the SG and SF positions. Overall, I felt those matchup advantages would add more to my team than the wing defender I would've ended up with.
I don't consider Kirilenko a strong enough man-to-man defender on the wing to put him in the starting unit over Gallinari. Plus, I like AK-47's game a lot less at SF than I do at PF. I think Kirilenko offers the most to my team as a game-changing PF off the bench.
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Here's my team through 7 rounds:
C: Brook Lopez
PF: Taj Gibson
SF: Danny Green
SG: James Harden
PG: John Wall
6: Drew Gooden
7: Ramon Sessions
Thoughts?
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Rubio
Butler
Melo
Griffin
Bargs
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Utah
PG: Deron Williams, Rodney Stuckey
SG: Gordon Hayward
SF: Danilo Gallinari
PF: Zach Randolph, Andrei Kirilenko
C: Omer Asik
While Hayward has the skills to play 2, is he quick enough.
Even then this is a great team.
Yeah, definitely. It's Hayward's natural position.
He isn't strong / physical enough to play the SF position full time. Is a liability as a defender/rebounder as a consequence. He fares much better as a two guard. He also uses his size well (6-7) offensively. He is a much more effective player there at SG than SF.
Hayward spent the majority of his court time at SG for Utah last year. The only reason he spent significant time at SF was because Utah was overloaded at SG and had no SFs on their roster.
A big two rather than an small three.
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Here's my team through 7 rounds:
C: Brook Lopez
PF: Taj Gibson
SF: Danny Green
SG: James Harden
PG: John Wall
6: Drew Gooden
7: Ramon Sessions
Thoughts?
i might be more of a fan of gooden than most but i think he compliments gibson very well off the bench. this is a terific team for TOTF, and if lopez & wall progress properly they should have playoff aspirations immediately.
not much veteran leadership provided here tho, might be something worth addressing at some point.
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Here's my team through 7 rounds:
C: Brook Lopez
PF: Taj Gibson
SF: Danny Green
SG: James Harden
PG: John Wall
6: Drew Gooden
7: Ramon Sessions
Thoughts?
i might be more of a fan of gooden than most but i think he compliments gibson very well off the bench. this is a terific team for TOTF, and if lopez & wall progress properly they should have playoff aspirations immediately.
not much veteran leadership provided here tho, might be something worth addressing at some point.
I didn't like adding Gooden. I think Drew Gooden and Brook Lopez will be a train wreck together defensively.
I liked the Ramon Sessions pick. Very good backup PG. Not sure Sessions and Wall could play together though which would limit his playing time. May have been better off going with a shooter at backup PG.
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DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
Kevin Martin
Tyreke Evans
Bench:
Lou Williams
JJ Redick
JR Smith
Dejuan Blair
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DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
Kevin Martin
Tyreke Evans
Bench:
Lou Williams
JJ Redick
JR Smith
Dejuan Blair
Wow, very interesting mix of talents here. You've got scoring, you've got defense, you've got rebounding, you've got shooting, you've got depth. Talent/depth-wise, this is one of the top teams in the draft so far.
I just don't know how it all fits. I think I'd like to see a more steady point guard than Tyreke with this squad. There were a few PGs who were drafted in the 3rd round that I'd like a ton on this team over Tyreke.
A side note is that I'd also expect this team to appeal much more to people who watched more NBA basketball two years ago than they have recently. I'm in that group which is why I might like this team more than others too.
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The Hawks
Tim Duncan/Sam Dalembert
David West
Mbah A Moute
Kobe
George Hill
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DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
Kevin Martin
Tyreke Evans
Bench:
Lou Williams
JJ Redick
JR Smith
Dejuan Blair
Wow, very interesting mix of talents here. You've got scoring, you've got defense, you've got rebounding, you've got shooting, you've got depth. Talent/depth-wise, this is one of the top teams in the draft so far.
I just don't know how it all fits. I think I'd like to see a more steady point guard than Tyreke with this squad. There were a few PGs who were drafted in the 3rd round that I'd like a ton on this team over Tyreke.
A side note is that I'd also expect this team to appeal much more to people who watched more NBA basketball two years ago than they have recently. I'm in that group which is why I might like this team more than others too.
You made us blush ;) We are still going to make some moves but we like lou williams coming off the bench since that is what he did for philly and he was their top scorer
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The Hawks
Tim Duncan/Sam Dalembert
David West
Mbah A Moute
Kobe
George Hill
Nice! Get a lot of depth at the C going forward so you can give Timmy his days off.
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No comments on the knicks ehhhhh
Rubio
Butler
Melo
Blake
Bargs
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The Hawks
Tim Duncan/Sam Dalembert
David West
Mbah A Moute
Kobe
George Hill
Nice! Get a lot of depth at the C going forward so you can give Timmy his days off.
Thats why i picked up Dalembert before grabbing my starting SF. Knew i needed a quality backup to let timmy get his beauty rest
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The Hawks
Tim Duncan/Sam Dalembert
David West
Mbah A Moute
Kobe
George Hill
Nice! Get a lot of depth at the C going forward so you can give Timmy his days off.
Thats why i picked up Dalembert before grabbing my starting SF. Knew i needed a quality backup to let timmy get his beauty rest
I love the idea of Mbah a Moute playing the PF spot (when David West is resting) alongside Tim Duncan. He'll work well with Sammy Dalembert there too.
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The Hawks
Tim Duncan/Sam Dalembert
David West
Mbah A Moute
Kobe
George Hill
Nice! Get a lot of depth at the C going forward so you can give Timmy his days off.
Thats why i picked up Dalembert before grabbing my starting SF. Knew i needed a quality backup to let timmy get his beauty rest
I love the idea of Mbah a Moute playing the PF spot (when David West is resting) alongside Tim Duncan. He'll work well with Sammy Dalembert there too.
Yup Mbah does give us flexibility if we decide to go small. for spurts
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Okay so right now G.S. is looking at:
SG Manu Ginobili
SG Klay Thompson
Point Forward Andre Iguodala
PF Anthony Davis
C Channing Frye
Point forwards sound nice in theory, but I think there's a reason why they are so rarely used in the NBA. The only time they are really used is when a starting pg goes to the bench.
The defending NBA champions have the best point forward in the game and don't elect to use him as one, but instead start a point guard that hasn't even been drafted yet.
I'd imagine that any real NBA coach that had this squad would probably prefer any available PG to start at PG and then bring one of your wings off the bench as 6th man.
Thank for the response Action. I'd respond that conventional coaching wisdom doesn't always hold - for example benching starters for early foul trouble. Also functionally I'm not sure what's to be gained by starting Mario Chalmers - he's off the board so we can discuss him now - and his 4.4 assists per 36 over either Manu Ginobili and his 6.9 assists per or Iguodala and his 5.5? Manu is a better passer than Mario and a strong enough ball handler to handle pressure in the backcourt, does it help if I just label him my 1?
Also I'll be very interested to see if the actual Heat don't at least consider starting Wade and Ray together in the backcourt.
Maybe not starting him over Manu or Chalmers, but maybe over Thompson. (Or maybe over Manu, I really like Manu off the bench, but that's up to you.)
And personally, I can't find Manu to be a particularly better passer than Chalmers just because of assists/36 stats. Manu has the ball in his hands a ton on offense for the Spurs and Mario does very little for the Heat. When playing alongside ball dominant wings, point guards often don't get much opportunities for assists. See what happened to assist stats when Jason Williams went to Miami, Chauncey went to Denver, Mo Williams' drop when he signed with Cleveland then spike back up once Lebron left, etc. Chalmers plays alongside not one, but two ball dominant wings currently. His best assists seasons where his first two NBA seasons before Lebron came and even then he was still playing alongside Wade.
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Boston Celtics
Center - Andrew Bynum
PF - Ersan Ilyasova
SF - Kevin Durant
SG - TBD
PG - Jose Calderon
Bench: Artest
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Through 7...
Roster (and projected starting 5 and rotation)
PG - Jason Kidd (Holiday)
SG - Jrue Holiday / Brandon Rush / (MKG)
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist / Harrison Barnes
PF - Thaddeus Young / Ander Drummond
C - Andrew Bogut / (Drummond)
Meh.
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Manu is a better passer than Mario and a strong enough ball handler to handle pressure in the backcourt, does it help if I just label him my 1?
I think Manu would be much more effective on offense coming off a screen or catching the ball with a live dribble still an option. He wouldn't be able to do that if he's running the 1. I think Manu could run the 1, but I just don't think your maximizing his abilities by having him do so.
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Through 7...
Roster (and projected starting 5 and rotation)
PG - Jason Kidd (Holiday)
SG - Jrue Holiday / Brandon Rush / (MKG)
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist / Harrison Barnes
PF - Thaddeus Young / Ander Drummond
C - Andrew Bogut / (Drummond)
Meh.
You would have been better off building on Monroe and Irving
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Through 7...
Roster (and projected starting 5 and rotation)
PG - Jason Kidd (Holiday)
SG - Jrue Holiday / Brandon Rush / (MKG)
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist / Harrison Barnes
PF - Thaddeus Young / Ander Drummond
C - Andrew Bogut / (Drummond)
Meh.
Holiday as the starting SG? I'd start Holiday at PG and bring Kidd off the bench. Kidd's minutes have been declining at a very steady rate over the past few seasons. He's going to be 40 years old next postseason!
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9 man rotation
The Pacers
PG Rondo
SG Bradley
SF Batum
PF Scola
C Monroe
bench
PG Hinrich
SG Beal
PF Landry
C/PF Kanter
Coach : Danny Ainge
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Through 7...
Roster (and projected starting 5 and rotation)
PG - Jason Kidd (Holiday)
SG - Jrue Holiday / Brandon Rush / (MKG)
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist / Harrison Barnes
PF - Thaddeus Young / Ander Drummond
C - Andrew Bogut / (Drummond)
Meh.
You would have been better off building on Monroe and Irving
Obviously I have a lot to learn in this game. But lets not dwell on what happened already. ;D
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Through 7...
Roster (and projected starting 5 and rotation)
PG - Jason Kidd (Holiday)
SG - Jrue Holiday / Brandon Rush / (MKG)
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist / Harrison Barnes
PF - Thaddeus Young / Ander Drummond
C - Andrew Bogut / (Drummond)
Meh.
Holiday as the starting SG? I'd start Holiday at PG and bring Kidd off the bench. Kidd's minutes have been declining at a very steady rate over the past few seasons. He's going to be 40 years old next postseason!
Well, yeah. The idea is to get the offense flowing for the first few minutes. Kidd will not log a ton of time at PG, most of it is Jrue. But to set the pace in the first few minutes, I put J.Kidd in (say 4 minutes in) so there will be some rhythm on the offense.
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PG: Steve Nash
SG: Jason Richardson
SF: Tayshaun Prince
PF: Kevin Love
Center: Joakim Noah
6th man: DeMar DeRozan
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Through 7...
Roster (and projected starting 5 and rotation)
PG - Jason Kidd (Holiday)
SG - Jrue Holiday / Brandon Rush / (MKG)
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist / Harrison Barnes
PF - Thaddeus Young / Ander Drummond
C - Andrew Bogut / (Drummond)
Meh.
Holiday as the starting SG? I'd start Holiday at PG and bring Kidd off the bench. Kidd's minutes have been declining at a very steady rate over the past few seasons. He's going to be 40 years old next postseason!
Well, yeah. The idea is to get the offense flowing for the first few minutes. Kidd will not log a ton of time at PG, most of it is Jrue. But to set the pace in the first few minutes, I put J.Kidd in (say 4 minutes in) so there will be some rhythm on the offense.
I would keep Jrue as my starting PG and bring Kidd off the bench too.
I would have Kidd on the floor late in games though. For his defense, possession creation, secondary ball-handling (behind Holiday) and spot-up shooting late in games.
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Manu is a better passer than Mario and a strong enough ball handler to handle pressure in the backcourt, does it help if I just label him my 1?
I think Manu would be much more effective on offense coming off a screen or catching the ball with a live dribble still an option. He wouldn't be able to do that if he's running the 1. I think Manu could run the 1, but I just don't think your maximizing his abilities by having him do so.
I would have Iggy run the point ahead of Manu. Free Manu up to be more aggressive as a scorer. Iggy is deferential anyway so it doesn't make much difference to his scoring instincts.
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PG: Steve Nash
SG: Jason Richardson
SF: Tayshaun Prince
PF: Kevin Love
Center: Joakim Noah
6th man: DeMar DeRozan
And my head coach is Mike Krzyzewski
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Through 7...
Roster (and projected starting 5 and rotation)
PG - Jason Kidd (Holiday)
SG - Jrue Holiday / Brandon Rush / (MKG)
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist / Harrison Barnes
PF - Thaddeus Young / Ander Drummond
C - Andrew Bogut / (Drummond)
Meh.
Holiday as the starting SG? I'd start Holiday at PG and bring Kidd off the bench. Kidd's minutes have been declining at a very steady rate over the past few seasons. He's going to be 40 years old next postseason!
Well, yeah. The idea is to get the offense flowing for the first few minutes. Kidd will not log a ton of time at PG, most of it is Jrue. But to set the pace in the first few minutes, I put J.Kidd in (say 4 minutes in) so there will be some rhythm on the offense.
I would keep Jrue as my starting PG and bring Kidd off the bench too.
I would have Kidd on the floor late in games though. For his defense, possession creation, secondary ball-handling (behind Holiday) and spot-up shooting late in games.
True, especially the defense part. (The old dude averaged 3 steals in the playoffs)
Thanks for the insights you guys.
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PG: Steve Nash
SG: Jason Richardson
SF: Tayshaun Prince
PF: Kevin Love
Center: Joakim Noah
6th man: DeMar DeRozan
And my head coach is Mike Krzyzewski
I like the 6 guys you got going here. A lot is going to depend on how you complete the roster. All of your guys compliment each other and Nash will make them all better to.
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9 man rotation
The Pacers
PG Rondo
SG Bradley
SF Batum
PF Scola
C Monroe
bench
PG Hinrich
SG Beal
PF Landry
C/PF Kanter
Coach : Danny Ainge
You have a nice lttle team that can contend now and contend in the future. Here is the question who takes the last shot of the came for this team? Thats the only really concern I see with this team.
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Magic:
PG: Teague
SG:Thorton/Henderson
SF:Deng/Marvin Williams
PF:Amare/Lamar Odom
C: Javelle Magee
Coach....Doug Collins
Any thoughts on this squad?
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PG-Rubio
SG-Butler
SF-Melo
PF-Griffin
C-Bargs
Run and guna style team with Tommy T getting the best out of everyone on defense.
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PG-Rubio
SG-Butler
SF-Melo
PF-Griffin
C-Bargs
Run and guna style team with Tommy T getting the best out of everyone on defense.
High powered offense. Real concerned about front court D though. We know Melo's deficiency in that category, Bargs and Blake are not good help defenders as well. Not to mention Bargs get's pushed around by other Centers.
It all depends on your offense here.
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Magic:
PG: Teague
SG:Thorton/Henderson
SF:Deng/Marvin Williams
PF:Amare/Lamar Odom
C: Javelle Magee
Anythoughts on this squad?
Need more shooting. Lots of athleticism. I personally like Amare playing with a shooting five man. History has shown that otherwise the paint gets too clogged and it really takes away from his drives to the basket.
Are you trying to win now or go for the future? If win now I think you need a better pg. If for the future I would look to move Amare and Deng for young future superstar talent.
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9 man rotation
The Pacers
PG Rondo
SG Bradley
SF Batum
PF Scola
C Monroe
bench
PG Hinrich
SG Beal
PF Landry
C/PF Kanter
Coach : Danny Ainge
You have a nice lttle team that can contend now and contend in the future. Here is the question who takes the last shot of the came for this team? Thats the only really concern I see with this team.
The team has to put the ball into Rondo's hands and just let him run the offense.
In the near future, Beal could develop into that primary scorer.
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Houston Boxers
Head Coach: Larry Brown
PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Mario Chalmers
SF: Paul George
PF: Jonas Jerebko
C: Marcin Gortat
Bench: Jonas Valanciunas, Iman Shumpert
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PG-Rubio
SG-Butler
SF-Melo
PF-Griffin
C-Bargs
Run and guna style team with Tommy T getting the best out of everyone on defense.
I think that italicized part is easier said than done. You've got Bargnani at the 5 (his GM admitted this was a failed experiment) and Caron Butler at the 2 (can he keep in front of SGs?).
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Boston Celtics
Center - Andrew Bynum
PF - Ersan Ilyasova
SF - Kevin Durant
SG - TBD
PG - Jose Calderon
Bench: Artest, Haslem
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PG: Steve Nash
SG: Jason Richardson
SF: Tayshaun Prince
PF: Kevin Love
Center: Joakim Noah
6th man: DeMar DeRozan
And my head coach is Mike Krzyzewski
I like the 6 guys you got going here. A lot is going to depend on how you complete the roster. All of your guys compliment each other and Nash will make them all better to.
Thank you, the Kevin Love/Steve Nash P&R will be deadly. With the help of Nash, K-Love will catapult into super stardom and become recognized as one of the best players in the league.
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Irving
Thabo Gordon
J. Green
LeBron Brand
Varejao R. Lopez
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Lake Show.
PG: Lowry
SG: Tony Allen
SF: Rudy Gay
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge/ Thomas Robinson
C: Al Horford/ Nick Collison
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PG-Rubio
SG-Butler
SF-Melo
PF-Griffin
C-Bargs
Run and guna style team with Tommy T getting the best out of everyone on defense.
Trade tough juice. He's just too slow for this team
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PG-Rubio
SG-Butler
SF-Melo
PF-Griffin
C-Bargs
Run and guna style team with Tommy T getting the best out of everyone on defense.
Trade tough juice. He's just too slow for this team
More like Tuff Mollasses. AMIRITE?
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Irving
Thabo Gordon
J. Green
LeBron Brand
Varejao R. Lopez
or
Irving
Thabo Gordon
LeBron
Brand Green
Varejao R. Lopez
or
LeBron One towel
Gordon irving
Green Thabo
Brand Bron
Varejao Robin Lopez
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DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R Smith
Tyreke Evans
Bench
Lou Williams
JJ Redick
Kevin Martin
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
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DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R Smith
Tyreke Evans
Bench
Lou Williams
JJ Redick
Kevin Martin
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
When was Novak taken?
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DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R Smith
Tyreke Evans
Bench
Lou Williams
JJ Redick
Kevin Martin
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
When was Novak taken?
he will be taken 8.1
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DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R Smith
Tyreke Evans
Bench
Lou Williams
JJ Redick
Kevin Martin
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
When was Novak taken?
I think they are planning to take Novak with the first pick of the 8th round.
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Jarret Jack/Jeremy Lin
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Kenneth Faried
Brendan Haywood/Emeka Okafor
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PG-Rubio
SG-Butler
SF-Melo
PF-Griffin
C-Bargs
Run and guna style team with Tommy T getting the best out of everyone on defense.
Trade tough juice. He's just too slow for this team
More like Tuff Mollasses. AMIRITE?
So money, dude.
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I think getting novak at 8.1 is a great pick up as he is #2 in true shooting just behind tyson chandler and is number 13 in PER for SF
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Jarret Jack/Jeremy Lin
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Kenneth Faried
Brendan Haywood/Emeka Okafor
Why start Haywood over Okafor?
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DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R Smith
Tyreke Evans
Bench
Lou Williams
JJ Redick
Kevin Martin
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
Lots of talent but I HATE your PG situation. Evans is a ball dominant guard. He needs to play with a facilitating pg who can spread the floor. Lou Williams is the same on the bench but he is too small to guard SGs so you need a big PG, that facilitates, and spreads the court. Ideally Jason Kidd would be a perfect fit for Williams off the bench. There is a pg out there that I think would work well with Tyreke.
You will get called out repeatedly for your PGs.
Because Williams drew so many fouls on the perimeter, he also had a remarkably low turnover rate for a player with so many free throw attempts. While it was low for other reasons (like how rarely he passed, for instance), the results was that Williams led the Sixers in PER and ranked ninth overall among point guards.
Defensively, Williams is harder to spot minutes. While he's very quick, he's undersized, and because he's so focused on scoring one would prefer somebody else be the primary ball handler when he's on the court. Holiday's presence should help him since Holiday is big enough to guard many 2s, and certainly they need to find more opportunities to get Williams out there -- he led the team in PER last year but played less than half the game.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/player/hollinger/_/id/2799/lou-williams
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DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R Smith
Tyreke Evans
Bench
Lou Williams
JJ Redick
Kevin Martin
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
When was Novak taken?
I think they are planning to take Novak with the first pick of the 8th round.
Well, that takes a load off my mind.
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Manu is a better passer than Mario and a strong enough ball handler to handle pressure in the backcourt, does it help if I just label him my 1?
I think Manu would be much more effective on offense coming off a screen or catching the ball with a live dribble still an option. He wouldn't be able to do that if he's running the 1. I think Manu could run the 1, but I just don't think your maximizing his abilities by having him do so.
I would have Iggy run the point ahead of Manu. Free Manu up to be more aggressive as a scorer. Iggy is deferential anyway so it doesn't make much difference to his scoring instincts.
The plan is to have Iguodala initiate much of the offense. I was more discussing smoke and mirrors roster formatting. But great points both about Manu's aggressiveness and his style of play. One of the reasons I chose Jerry Sloan was that he runs a variation of the flex offense passed down from Chicago Bulls coach Dick Motta - it's motion and screen heavy and can be run through a forward.
The simplest way to define the qualities of a good flex player is the ability to multitask. In the flex, each player on the floor is a screener and a screenee, a passer and a cutter, a guy who can make plays in a variety of ways by instantaneously reading the defense.
I think both Andre and Manu are good fits. And while I'll need a big man better at setting a hard pick than Channing Frye, he'll be absolutely deadly coming off pin-downs for open jump shots.
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DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R Smith
Tyreke Evans
Bench
Lou Williams
JJ Redick
Kevin Martin
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
When was Novak taken?
I think they are planning to take Novak with the first pick of the 8th round.
Well, that takes a load off my mind.
this team will play 4 Gerald Wallaces when need defense
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DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R Smith
Tyreke Evans
Bench
Lou Williams
JJ Redick
Kevin Martin
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
When was Novak taken?
I think they are planning to take Novak with the first pick of the 8th round.
Well, that takes a load off my mind.
lol why?
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DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R Smith
Tyreke Evans
Bench
Lou Williams
JJ Redick
Kevin Martin
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
When was Novak taken?
I think they are planning to take Novak with the first pick of the 8th round.
Well, that takes a load off my mind.
lol why?
We have 8.2 and 8.3.
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DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R Smith
Tyreke Evans
Bench
Lou Williams
JJ Redick
Kevin Martin
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
Lots of talent but I HATE your PG situation. Evans is a ball dominant guard. He needs to play with a facilitating pg who can spread the floor. Lou Williams is the same on the bench but he is too small to guard SGs so you need a big PG, that facilitates, and spreads the court. Ideally Jason Kidd would be a perfect fit for Williams off the bench. There is a pg out there that I think would work well with Tyreke.
You will get called out repeatedly for your PGs.
Because Williams drew so many fouls on the perimeter, he also had a remarkably low turnover rate for a player with so many free throw attempts. While it was low for other reasons (like how rarely he passed, for instance), the results was that Williams led the Sixers in PER and ranked ninth overall among point guards.
Defensively, Williams is harder to spot minutes. While he's very quick, he's undersized, and because he's so focused on scoring one would prefer somebody else be the primary ball handler when he's on the court. Holiday's presence should help him since Holiday is big enough to guard many 2s, and certainly they need to find more opportunities to get Williams out there -- he led the team in PER last year but played less than half the game.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/player/hollinger/_/id/2799/lou-williams
our team is not complete and we will fix our backcourt problems and we feel getting Williams in the 6th round was great as his PER is like 20.22
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Jarret Jack/Jeremy Lin
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Kenneth Faried
Brendan Haywood/Emeka Okafor
Why start Haywood over Okafor?
I agree, unless Okafor's knee is still hindering him? And I've read nothing to suggest that, he's a higher caliber big man.
Also, Jack over Lin in a FANTASY game? I mean I like Jack. But what's the upshot? Is Jack a significantly better catch and shoot player? My sense is that he's also a scoring point guard. Do you just hate imagination?
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JJ Redick and JR Smith are both capable ball-handlers and playmakers.
They can help Lou Williams keep the balance offensively.
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DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R Smith
Tyreke Evans
Bench
Lou Williams
JJ Redick
Kevin Martin
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
When was Novak taken?
I think they are planning to take Novak with the first pick of the 8th round.
Well, that takes a load off my mind.
lol why?
We have 8.2 and 8.3.
lol who are you getting with them? im already locked in with Novak as his PER and TS are great
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Jarret Jack/Jeremy Lin
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Kenneth Faried
Brendan Haywood/Emeka Okafor
Why start Haywood over Okafor?
I agree, unless Okafor's knee is still hindering him? And I've read nothing to suggest that, he's a higher caliber big man.
Also, Jack over Lin in a FANTASY game? I mean I like Jack. But what's the upshot? Do you just hate imagination?
I agree with this. I was going to keep Lin sidelined to run the second unit like a maestro, but the dude averaged 18 points and 8 assists as a starter of what was effectively his rookie season. He's an underrated passer and a gifted pick and role player, and turns out I have 2 really gifted pick and roll partners.
Lin over Jack! Lin over Jack!
Lin/Jack
Wade
Pierce
Bosh/Faried
Okafor/Haywood!
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Jarret Jack/Jeremy Lin
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Kenneth Faried
Brendan Haywood/Emeka Okafor
Why start Haywood over Okafor?
I agree, unless Okafor's knee is still hindering him? And I've read nothing to suggest that, he's a higher caliber big man.
Also, Jack over Lin in a FANTASY game? I mean I like Jack. But what's the upshot? Do you just hate imagination?
After getting a lot of acclaim, IP realized he needed to dial it back and make people think he's starting to second guess a bunch of his picks. So then we'll all waste our time talking up Okafor and Lin to rally behind him.
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Jarret Jack/Jeremy Lin
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Kenneth Faried
Brendan Haywood/Emeka Okafor
Why start Haywood over Okafor?
I agree, unless Okafor's knee is still hindering him? And I've read nothing to suggest that, he's a higher caliber big man.
Also, Jack over Lin in a FANTASY game? I mean I like Jack. But what's the upshot? Do you just hate imagination?
After getting a lot of acclaim, IP realized he needed to dial it back and make people think he's starting to second guess a bunch of his picks. So then we'll all waste our time talking up Okafor and Lin to rally behind him.
So Ips team is
Jeremy Lin & the ghost of Jarret Jack
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Kenneth Faried
& the ghost of Brendan Haywood
4 and a Half (the half being Lin) team
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Jarret Jack/Jeremy Lin
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Kenneth Faried
Brendan Haywood/Emeka Okafor
Why start Haywood over Okafor?
I agree, unless Okafor's knee is still hindering him? And I've read nothing to suggest that, he's a higher caliber big man.
Also, Jack over Lin in a FANTASY game? I mean I like Jack. But what's the upshot? Do you just hate imagination?
After getting a lot of acclaim, IP realized he needed to dial it back and make people think he's starting to second guess a bunch of his picks. So then we'll all waste our time talking up Okafor and Lin to rally behind him.
So Ips team is
Jeremy Lin & the ghost of Jarret Jack
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Kenneth Faried
& the ghost of Brendan Haywood
4 and a Half (the half being Lin) team
The Ghost of Jarrett Jack? You mean the guy that had the best year of his career last season in New Orleans? Is he more like one of those Poltergeist ghosts that can just mess you up?
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Jarret Jack/Jeremy Lin
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Kenneth Faried
Brendan Haywood/Emeka Okafor
Why start Haywood over Okafor?
I agree, unless Okafor's knee is still hindering him? And I've read nothing to suggest that, he's a higher caliber big man.
Also, Jack over Lin in a FANTASY game? I mean I like Jack. But what's the upshot? Do you just hate imagination?
After getting a lot of acclaim, IP realized he needed to dial it back and make people think he's starting to second guess a bunch of his picks. So then we'll all waste our time talking up Okafor and Lin to rally behind him.
So Ips team is
Jeremy Lin & the ghost of Jarret Jack
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Kenneth Faried
& the ghost of Brendan Haywood
4 and a Half (the half being Lin) team
Someone tell Edgar to dial it down a little bit. He's been getting into his dad's wine coolers again, and he's starting to say crazy things.
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Jack's the kind of guy you want to start, or immediately trade away. Kinda like Lowry so I can see why IP liked him.
He's a steadier shooter than Lin, a better fit with Wade to start off with.
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I liked IP's trade much better before the Curry deal, but it's still a formidable squad.
Just not as formidable as Dallas.
(http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g480/icaptainmorgan/Morgan%20Photoshop/Kyrie_IrvingMavs.png)
Kyrie Irving gives us a fist pound.
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Jarret Jack/Jeremy Lin
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Kenneth Faried
Brendan Haywood/Emeka Okafor
Why start Haywood over Okafor?
I agree, unless Okafor's knee is still hindering him? And I've read nothing to suggest that, he's a higher caliber big man.
Also, Jack over Lin in a FANTASY game? I mean I like Jack. But what's the upshot? Do you just hate imagination?
After getting a lot of acclaim, IP realized he needed to dial it back and make people think he's starting to second guess a bunch of his picks. So then we'll all waste our time talking up Okafor and Lin to rally behind him.
So Ips team is
Jeremy Lin & the ghost of Jarret Jack
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Kenneth Faried
& the ghost of Brendan Haywood
4 and a Half (the half being Lin) team
The Ghost of Jarrett Jack? You mean the guy that had the best year of his career last season in New Orleans? Is he more like one of those Poltergeist ghosts that can just mess you up?
I thought Jack's best year came in Toronto under Jay Triano.
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I liked IP's trade much better before the Curry deal, but it's still a formidable squad.
Just not as formidable as Dallas.
(http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g480/icaptainmorgan/Morgan%20Photoshop/Kyrie_IrvingMavs.png)
Kyrie Irving gives us a fist pound.
how did you get irving?
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I liked IP's trade much better before the Curry deal, but it's still a formidable squad.
Just not as formidable as Dallas.
(http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g480/icaptainmorgan/Morgan%20Photoshop/Kyrie_IrvingMavs.png)
Kyrie Irving gives us a fist pound.
how did you get irving?
you don't want to know.
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I liked IP's trade much better before the Curry deal, but it's still a formidable squad.
Just not as formidable as Dallas.
(http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g480/icaptainmorgan/Morgan%20Photoshop/Kyrie_IrvingMavs.png)
Kyrie Irving gives us a fist pound.
how did you get irving?
Basically picture it as Ocean's 11, except Roy is taking all of Yoki's stuff.
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DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R Smith
Tyreke Evans
Bench
Lou Williams
JJ Redick
Kevin Martin
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
Lots of talent but I HATE your PG situation. Evans is a ball dominant guard. He needs to play with a facilitating pg who can spread the floor. Lou Williams is the same on the bench but he is too small to guard SGs so you need a big PG, that facilitates, and spreads the court. Ideally Jason Kidd would be a perfect fit for Williams off the bench. There is a pg out there that I think would work well with Tyreke.
You will get called out repeatedly for your PGs.
Because Williams drew so many fouls on the perimeter, he also had a remarkably low turnover rate for a player with so many free throw attempts. While it was low for other reasons (like how rarely he passed, for instance), the results was that Williams led the Sixers in PER and ranked ninth overall among point guards.
Defensively, Williams is harder to spot minutes. While he's very quick, he's undersized, and because he's so focused on scoring one would prefer somebody else be the primary ball handler when he's on the court. Holiday's presence should help him since Holiday is big enough to guard many 2s, and certainly they need to find more opportunities to get Williams out there -- he led the team in PER last year but played less than half the game.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/player/hollinger/_/id/2799/lou-williams
our team is not complete and we will fix our backcourt problems and we feel getting Williams in the 6th round was great as his PER is like 20.22
I like the talent You have a lot of it. I can see it being consolidated and a true contender being born if the opportunities are there. I don't like the chemistry presently (I am just one guy), but the roster is intriguing and I look forward to seeing how you do.
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I liked IP's trade much better before the Curry deal, but it's still a formidable squad.
Just not as formidable as Dallas.
(http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g480/icaptainmorgan/Morgan%20Photoshop/Kyrie_IrvingMavs.png)
Kyrie Irving gives us a fist pound.
I google searched 'nick collison lakers' to try to counter this, and came across this very interesting, and very neccessary study:
(http://www.bothteamsplayedhard.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/chrismihmnickcollison.jpg)
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I liked IP's trade much better before the Curry deal, but it's still a formidable squad.
Just not as formidable as Dallas.
(http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g480/icaptainmorgan/Morgan%20Photoshop/Kyrie_IrvingMavs.png)
Kyrie Irving gives us a fist pound.
how did you get irving?
Basically picture it as Ocean's 11, except Roy is taking all of Yoki's stuff.
Can Edgar play the role of the little Asian guy?
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I liked IP's trade much better before the Curry deal, but it's still a formidable squad.
Just not as formidable as Dallas.
(http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g480/icaptainmorgan/Morgan%20Photoshop/Kyrie_IrvingMavs.png)
Kyrie Irving gives us a fist pound.
I google searched 'nick collison lakers' to try to counter this, and came across this very interesting, and very neccessary study:
(http://www.bothteamsplayedhard.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/chrismihmnickcollison.jpg)
Haha. Awesome.
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PS: Arent the Crotornats AWESOME!!!!
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PS: Arent the Crotornats AWESOME!!!!
I think the silence is a sign of respect.
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Um, wasn't Elton Brand AMNESTIED?!?!?!?!!?!
LOL that's your power forward!!!
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PS: Arent the Crotornats AWESOME!!!!
I think the silence is a sign of respect.
mmm.. maybe
today I realize I want to run a bench of
LeBron, Thabo and Brand.
Neat huh
Irving, Gordon, Green, Varejao and R. Lopez are still a great core to run the floor.
:D
P.S. Nah Mr great year who happens to be amnestied to his monetary bennefit is out 8th Player in the rotation giving us MEGA quality minutes and experience from there.
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Mavericks are pretty good. I'd say between the acquisition of Irving and solid depth today to further allow you to use LeBron's versatility, they're pretty darn good. Likely passed the...
Wait, which team is jgod's team? likely passed them.
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Above is a joke that will be presented (poorly) as an actual point against the CN's at some point, and at least one person will agree with it.
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If anyone else would like me provide them with examples of stupid arguments that'll be presented in the playoffs I'd be happy to.
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The Hawks
PG: George Hill
SG: Kobe
SF: Mbah A Moute
PF: David West
C: Tim Duncan/Sam Dalembert
Coach - Phil Jackson
Be very afraid....
Our trade strategy has been get the best player and give up picks. Little did we know our competitors could get the best player and picks.
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Um, wasn't Elton Brand AMNESTIED?!?!?!?!!?!
LOL that's your power forward!!!
Luckily, we won't be paying him $18 million to play elite defense and to chip in on the boards and on offense.
And yeah, I didn't think you were being serious. If I had, you'd have a 600 word response with multiple links. ;D
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The Hawks
PG: George Hill
SG: Kobe
SF: Mbah A Moute
PF: David West
C: Tim Duncan/Sam Dalembert
Coach - Phil Jackson
Be very afraid....
Any concerns that Phil Jackson and Tim Duncan become super best friends, and decide to quit basketball so they can focus in on starting up their own swim with the dolphin business in the West Caymans?
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The Hawks
PG: George Hill
SG: Kobe
SF: Mbah A Moute
PF: David West
C: Tim Duncan/Sam Dalembert
Coach - Phil Jackson
Be very afraid....
Any concerns that Phil Jackson and Tim Duncan become super best friends, and decide to quit basketball so they can focus in on starting up their own swim with the dolphin business in the West Caymans?
yes, but those are only mild concerns
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Phoenix Suns
PG: Steve Nash
SG: Jason Richardson
SF: Tayshaun Prince
PF: Kevin Love
Center: Joakim Noah
6th man: DeMar DeRozan
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Um, wasn't Elton Brand AMNESTIED?!?!?!?!!?!
LOL that's your power forward!!!
Luckily, we won't be paying him $18 million to play elite defense and to chip in on the boards and on offense.
And yeah, I didn't think you were being serious. If I had, you'd have a 600 word response with multiple links. ;D
I wasn't crazy about your the Green and Lopez picks though. Would've preferred a more traditional 3 to place on your bench (though I'm not sure what was available) for spacing, and I thought Lopez was a reach.
Still, you guys are definitely the best team around. I'll talk myself into us beating you by the playoffs though.
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Um, wasn't Elton Brand AMNESTIED?!?!?!?!!?!
LOL that's your power forward!!!
Luckily, we won't be paying him $18 million to play elite defense and to chip in on the boards and on offense.
And yeah, I didn't think you were being serious. If I had, you'd have a 600 word response with multiple links. ;D
A low efficiency 9 and 5 in the postseason? Sore neck or no, the guy's days as a full season NBA starter may be over.
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Um, wasn't Elton Brand AMNESTIED?!?!?!?!!?!
LOL that's your power forward!!!
Luckily, we won't be paying him $18 million to play elite defense and to chip in on the boards and on offense.
And yeah, I didn't think you were being serious. If I had, you'd have a 600 word response with multiple links. ;D
A low efficiency 9 and 5 in the postseason? Sore neck or no, the guy's days as a full season NBA starter may be over.
May? There i a reason he was amnestied in favor of Spencer Hawes and Nick Young. He will be bench player for the real Mavs. I need to see how big his role is for CB Dallas before I make a big deal about him.
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And for the fake mavs too
No better home for him
PS another prove thar Haywood isnt trustable
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Um, wasn't Elton Brand AMNESTIED?!?!?!?!!?!
LOL that's your power forward!!!
Luckily, we won't be paying him $18 million to play elite defense and to chip in on the boards and on offense.
And yeah, I didn't think you were being serious. If I had, you'd have a 600 word response with multiple links. ;D
I wasn't crazy about your the Green and Lopez picks though. Would've preferred a more traditional 3 to place on your bench (though I'm not sure what was available) for spacing, and I thought Lopez was a reach.
Still, you guys are definitely the best team around. I'll talk myself into us beating you by the playoffs though.
Already there.
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What would you rate this team. top 5, playoffs, dont make playoffs
DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R Smith
Tyreke Evans
Bench:
Lou Williams
J.J Redick
Kevin Martin
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
Start KMart, even with Tyreke, he's still better than JR. Not sure where you stand without a full rosters page. Everyone go update the rosters page!
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What would you rate this team. top 5, playoffs, dont make playoffs
DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R Smith
Tyreke Evans
Bench:
Lou Williams
J.J Redick
Kevin Martin
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
Start KMart, even with Tyreke, he's still better than JR. Not sure where you stand without a full rosters page. Everyone go update the rosters page!
well i know one thing for sure is that we will make playoffs we just have the depth, Steve Novak for MVP
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Elton Brand and Elite Defender? C'est ne pas vrai.
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Houston Boxers
Head Coach: Larry Brown
PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Mario Chalmers
SF: Paul George
PF: Jonas Jerebko
C: Marcin Gortat
Bench: Jonas Valanciunas, Iman Shumpert
So much PR going on for some teams I just though I would repost this so people might give me some constructive criticism.
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Houston Boxers
Head Coach: Larry Brown
PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Mario Chalmers
SF: Paul George
PF: Jonas Jerebko
C: Marcin Gortat
Bench: Jonas Valanciunas, Iman Shumpert
So much PR going on for some teams I just though I would repost this so people might give me some constructive criticism.
I lika your team, I'm justa not a sure I lika da Mario Chalmers at da 2 guard!
Mamma Mia! If it wasa dis Mario, it's Okey-Dokey!
(http://www.officialpsds.com/images/thumbs/Mario-Basketball-psd29664.png)
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Houston Boxers
Head Coach: Larry Brown
PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Mario Chalmers
SF: Paul George
PF: Jonas Jerebko
C: Marcin Gortat
Bench: Jonas Valanciunas, Iman Shumpert
So much PR going on for some teams I just though I would repost this so people might give me some constructive criticism.
Dont start Jerebko start Valanciunas and also start shumpert over chalmers as you need a real sg
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The Hawks
PG: George Hill
SG: Kobe
SF: Mbah A Moute
PF: David West
C: Tim Duncan/Sam Dalembert
Coach - Phil Jackson
Be very afraid....
Excellent team as always Rondo. Hill is just the type of PG you want alongside Kobe and Duncan is just the veteran you want to keep Kobe from going all "hero ball" on you 100% of the time.
And with Kobe's boy Phil there running the triangle with the passing big man and Kobe, this is a dangerous team.
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Houston Boxers
Head Coach: Larry Brown
PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Mario Chalmers
SF: Paul George
PF: Jonas Jerebko
C: Marcin Gortat
Bench: Jonas Valanciunas, Iman Shumpert
So much PR going on for some teams I just though I would repost this so people might give me some constructive criticism.
I don't like Jerebko as a starting PF. He is too much of a lightweight defensively and as a rebounder + not skilled enough offensively to make up for it.
A nice utility player as a 8th-10th man on an NBA roster who can cover both forward positions and could play a small bit of SG or even C if you were truly desperate. The talent level is higher here (24 team league), so Jerebko will probably be less than an 8th-9th man here. A 10th man to third string forward.
I am having difficulty with the Chalmers-Westbrook starting backcourt. I think they can play alongside one another but I would be hesitant to start them together.
I think Westbrook is a high level defender / rebounder at PG but loses a lot of value there as a SG. And I think loses that value there without gaining an added advantage as an offensive player which makes it a net negative in my eyes. I think Chalmers is a constant (in terms of production / value) in this scenario.
I think you'd be better off with a bigger SG starting alongside Westbrook to keep Westbrook at PG (defensively). And I would move Chalmers back to the bench.
Actually, I'd prefer a different PG to Chalmers off the bench. Someone who is more of a natural PG / floor general / playmaker. Someone who offers a more contrasting skill-set to Westbrook's score-first play at PG. But it's not necessary, just a preference ... Chalmers will do a good job for you if you stick with him.
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Houston Boxers
Head Coach: Larry Brown
PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Mario Chalmers
SF: Paul George
PF: Jonas Jerebko
C: Marcin Gortat
Bench: Jonas Valanciunas, Iman Shumpert
So much PR going on for some teams I just though I would repost this so people might give me some constructive criticism.
I know how good Russell Westbrook is, so I'm not prepared to put this team in the bottom half yet, but I gotta say, I don't get it.
You're starting a pg as your SG, and your two strongest starting positiOns are also the two positions with the most depth. You've got a guy who won't be back until what, January, as your first wing off the bench, and you're starting Jonas Jerebko.
I just need some help seeing the vision here.
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Regarding Chlamers at the 2 its basically going to be a situation similar to the Wade/Chalmers pairing. Chlamers is the PG but let's be honest, all he does is bring the ball up, the offense runs through Wade(and LeBron).
Same thing with the Boxers. The offense runs through Westbrook, but Chalmers will have some PG duties when on the floor with Westbrook. I would call it more a 2 guard system rather than a standard SG/PG.
Once Shumpert is healthy, I would expect an early sub of Chalmers and Shumpert getting quality minutes.
Reality of the situation is Shumpert is out til Xmas so we will have to make do, at least to start the season.
regarding Jerebko starting, he's better defensively and I like the speed and fast break ability of the starting squad better with Gortat defensive rebounding and getting the other 4 guys off on the break.
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I also wouldn't hesitate to run out a starting lineup of
PG: Westbrook
SG: George
SF: Jerebko
PF: Valanciunas
C: Gortat
With Chalmers coming off the bench until Shumpert comes back.
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I also wouldn't hesitate to run out a starting lineup of
PG: Westbrook
SG: George
SF: Jerebko
PF: Valanciunas
C: Gortat
With Chalmers coming off the bench until Shumpert comes back.
you drafted jerebko to early i'd say he is more of a ninth rounder
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What would you rate this team. top 5, playoffs, dont make playoffs
DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R Smith
Tyreke Evans
Bench:
Lou Williams
J.J Redick
Kevin Martin
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
If you keep Tyreke at pg martin should start. Reddick lou and JR are a nice (but very redundant) bench mob that already come off the bench.
Tyreke is better off at sg
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Houston Boxers
Head Coach: Larry Brown
PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Mario Chalmers
SF: Paul George
PF: Jonas Jerebko
C: Marcin Gortat
Bench: Jonas Valanciunas, Iman Shumpert
So much PR going on for some teams I just though I would repost this so people might give me some constructive criticism.
I lika your team, I'm justa not a sure I lika da Mario Chalmers at da 2 guard!
Mamma Mia! If it wasa dis Mario, it's Okey-Dokey!
(http://www.officialpsds.com/images/thumbs/Mario-Basketball-psd29664.png)
I say let him try it out. I'm sure hell stop most sg's he matches up with ;)
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I also wouldn't hesitate to run out a starting lineup of
PG: Westbrook
SG: George
SF: Jerebko
PF: Valanciunas
C: Gortat
With Chalmers coming off the bench until Shumpert comes back.
Much better. plus George can slid over to the 3 first substitution
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Might as well throw em out there.
Ty Lawson
Arron "Spellcheck" Afflalo
Jared Dudley
Brandon Bass
Nikola Pekovic
Evan Turner, Jason Thompson, Al Harrington, Marcus Camby
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Might as well throw em out there.
Ty Lawson
Arron "Spellcheck" Afflalo
Jared Dudley
Brandon Bass
Nikola Pekovic
Evan Turner, Jason Thompson, Al Harrington, Marcus Camby
A lot of depth. A lot of offense. 7th-8th in the East, imo.
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team is in the sig. How does it look?
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team is in the sig. How does it look?
How did you get Splitter without giving up Wilson Chandler?
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team is in the sig. How does it look?
Your team has to be the favorite for team of the future. The question for me is whether you have enough of the gritty type of guys who will help you contend next year. The talent is there, but Cousins is a knucklehead, and Anderson is a bit soft.
Also, the obvious concern is injuries in your back court. Going forward, will either Curry or Rose fully recover, or will they have ongoing issues?
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I got left hanging twice. What you guys think about the Suns?!
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I got left hanging twice. What you guys think about the Suns?!
I think you have done a stellar job building around Kevin Love and have one of the finest teams in the CB league. I am surprised your squad isn't being mentioned as one of the best teams more often than it is.
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team is in the sig. How does it look?
Your team has to be the favorite for team of the future. The question for me is whether you have enough of the gritty type of guys who will help you contend next year. The talent is there, but Cousins is a knucklehead, and Anderson is a bit soft.
Also, the obvious concern is injuries in your back court. Going forward, will either Curry or Rose fully recover, or will they have ongoing issues?
Cousins is a very young player who we expect to continue to mature.
How is Anderson soft? I know he is known as just a three point shooter who hangs around the outside but if this were true he wouldn't be 5th in the league in terms of offensive rebounds.
Rose is one of the best athletes in the world. He has elite athleticism even among nba players (elite athleticism usually goes hand in hand with elite recovery time). He is known as an extremely hard worker. He also has never had an injury history in the past so it's unlikely it will linger.
As far as Curry you argued earlier on the thread that he isn't injury prone so I'm going to take your word on that.
The bottom line is I start 5 guys that can all shoot well. Cousins can work in the post knowing that if he faces a double he'll kick it to either an elite or very good shooter. I expect him to get a lot of single coverage and to thrive with it.
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I got left hanging twice. What you guys think about the Suns?!
I really like the pairing of Nash with Love and Noah.
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I got left hanging twice. What you guys think about the Suns?!
I think you have done a stellar job building around Kevin Love and have one of the finest teams in the CB league. I am surprised your squad isn't being mentioned as one of the best teams more often than it is.
Well, thanks for the kind words, sir. TP
I believe Kevin Love is the best power forward in the game. With the right supporting cast, K-Love would be a legit 1st option on a championship team.
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I got left hanging twice. What you guys think about the Suns?!
I think you have done a stellar job building around Kevin Love and have one of the finest teams in the CB league. I am surprised your squad isn't being mentioned as one of the best teams more often than it is.
Well, thanks for the kind words, sir. TP
I believe Kevin Love is the best power forward in the game. With the right supporting cast, K-Love would be a legit 1st option on a championship team.
Bigal, I love your team. I think it would be fun to watch as well as very competitive. My question is that with your team as constituted could you slow it down in the playoffs and win a half court series?
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The Hawks
PG: George Hill
SG: Kobe
SF: Mbah A Moute
PF: David West
C: Tim Duncan/Sam Dalembert
Coach - Phil Jackson
Be very afraid....
Excellent team as always Rondo. Hill is just the type of PG you want alongside Kobe and Duncan is just the veteran you want to keep Kobe from going all "hero ball" on you 100% of the time.
And with Kobe's boy Phil there running the triangle with the passing big man and Kobe, this is a dangerous team.
Thank you for the kind words nick. 8.5 is gonna be a very important pick for me, hopefullymimdont screw it up!
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The Hawks
PG: George Hill
SG: Kobe
SF: Mbah A Moute
PF: David West
C: Tim Duncan/Sam Dalembert
Coach - Phil Jackson
Be very afraid....
Any concerns that Phil Jackson and Tim Duncan become super best friends, and decide to quit basketball so they can focus in on starting up their own swim with the dolphin business in the West Caymans?
yes, but those are only mild concerns
(http://i.qkme.me/35noi6.jpg)
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In chat...come talk trade
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The Hawks
PG: George Hill
SG: Kobe
SF: Mbah A Moute
PF: David West
C: Tim Duncan/Sam Dalembert
Coach - Phil Jackson
Be very afraid....
Any concerns that Phil Jackson and Tim Duncan become super best friends, and decide to quit basketball so they can focus in on starting up their own swim with the dolphin business in the West Caymans?
yes, but those are only mild concerns
(http://i.qkme.me/35noi6.jpg)
What do you think about my team action, I have seen you analyzing a bunch of other squads!
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I got left hanging twice. What you guys think about the Suns?!
I think you have done a stellar job building around Kevin Love and have one of the finest teams in the CB league. I am surprised your squad isn't being mentioned as one of the best teams more often than it is.
As a person who isn't so high on Love, I really like what you've surrounded him with. Love the DeRozan pick, but I think you should start him. Prince and Noah can't be counted on much for offense in that starting lineup.
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team is in the sig. How does it look?
Your team has to be the favorite for team of the future. The question for me is whether you have enough of the gritty type of guys who will help you contend next year. The talent is there, but Cousins is a knucklehead, and Anderson is a bit soft.
Also, the obvious concern is injuries in your back court. Going forward, will either Curry or Rose fully recover, or will they have ongoing issues?
Cousins is a very young player who we expect to continue to mature.
How is Anderson soft? I know he is known as just a three point shooter who hangs around the outside but if this were true he wouldn't be 5th in the league in terms of offensive rebounds.
Rose is one of the best athletes in the world. He has elite athleticism even among nba players (elite athleticism usually goes hand in hand with elite recovery time). He is known as an extremely hard worker. He also has never had an injury history in the past so it's unlikely it will linger.
As far as Curry you argued earlier on the thread that he isn't injury prone so I'm going to take your word on that.
The bottom line is I start 5 guys that can all shoot well. Cousins can work in the post knowing that if he faces a double he'll kick it to either an elite or very good shooter. I expect him to get a lot of single coverage and to thrive with it.
The Anderson soft thing is from his play towards the end of last season, and especially the playoffs.
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I got left hanging twice. What you guys think about the Suns?!
I think you have done a stellar job building around Kevin Love and have one of the finest teams in the CB league. I am surprised your squad isn't being mentioned as one of the best teams more often than it is.
Well, thanks for the kind words, sir. TP
I believe Kevin Love is the best power forward in the game. With the right supporting cast, K-Love would be a legit 1st option on a championship team.
Bigal, I love your team. I think it would be fun to watch as well as very competitive. My question is that with your team as constituted could you slow it down in the playoffs and win a half court series?
Most definitely. Like I said before, I think a Steve Nash/Kevin Love P&R would be deadly. We also like the floor spacing we have with J-Rich in the starting lineup, now. He had his most efficient scoring seasons when he played with Steve Nash a few years back. After a drop in production with the Magic, I fully expect him to have a better season playing alongside Steve Nash, again.
I got left hanging twice. What you guys think about the Suns?!
I think you have done a stellar job building around Kevin Love and have one of the finest teams in the CB league. I am surprised your squad isn't being mentioned as one of the best teams more often than it is.
As a person who isn't so high on Love, I really like what you've surrounded him with. Love the DeRozan pick, but I think you should start him. Prince and Noah can't be counted on much for offense in that starting lineup.
I think DeRozan will be better off coming off the bench for us. He has great potential and will play big minutes for this team. I just think Jason Richardson is a better fit with Nash and Love at this point.
We see DeRozan playing a James Harden-esque role for us. We feel confident with him leading the 2nd unit.
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What do you think about my team action, I have seen you analyzing a bunch of other squads!
I believe I posted earlier today about yours in this thread? I think I said something along the lines of love it, just continue to gather some depth at C so Timmy D can have some days off.
I really do like it. Completely solid, you're on the right track. Hill is a proven fit alongside Duncan and also is the textbook type of PG to play with Kobe. You've got some center depth. West as a 3rd option? Awesome. All around solid defense. Absolutely zero to dislike about this team so far, hope you can continue.
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I'm curious to know what people think of my backourt
PG - Andre Miller
SG - Joe Johnson
I've always loved Andre Miller's game but i've always had a tough time figuring out what type of player he ideally fits with in a backcourt. He's definitely got an "old-dude-at-the-Y game" but he still keeps putting up numbers.
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Yeah, Miller is sneaky effective. A shame he doesn't have much of a jumper, but he's very good at getting into the paint and setting up his teammates.
So your backcourt is quite strong in its collective playmaking ability.
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Yeah, Miller is sneaky effective. A shame he doesn't have much of a jumper, but he's very good at getting into the paint and setting up his teammates.
So your backcourt is quite strong in its collective playmaking ability.
I just keep waiting for him to finally fall off, been waiting for the last few seasons, probably have to wait a few more.
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I'm curious to know what people think of my backourt
PG - Andre Miller
SG - Joe Johnson
I've always loved Andre Miller's game but i've always had a tough time figuring out what type of player he ideally fits with in a backcourt. He's definitely got an "old-dude-at-the-Y game" but he still keeps putting up numbers.
I like it. On a team with Dwight and Joe Johnson, you don't need anything electric at the PG position, you just need someone steady and you've got it in Miller.
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Okc thunder
Pg: Chauncey Billups
Sg: monta Ellis/ Courtney lee
Sf: Caron butler
Pf: serge Ibaka / Andrea bargnani
C: Marc gasol/ Chris kaman
Thoughts after griffin trade?
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I'm curious to know what people think of my backourt
PG - Andre Miller
SG - Joe Johnson
I've always loved Andre Miller's game but i've always had a tough time figuring out what type of player he ideally fits with in a backcourt. He's definitely got an "old-dude-at-the-Y game" but he still keeps putting up numbers.
I dislike Andre Miller as a starter alongside JJ and Dwight Howard. His lack of a jumper and the time on the ball he requires are negatives. He won't be as effective as he normally is here + your stars won't be either.
I say bring in another starting PG and move Andre Miller to the bench.
Where (the bench) Miller was excellent last year for Denver. Along with Lou Williams, one of the two best backup guards in the league last season. He will be able to give you a completely different look from whomever you end up with as your starter. A game-changer off the bench.
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9 man rotation
What needs to be added?
The Pacers
PG Rondo
SG Bradley
SF Batum
PF Scola
C Monroe
bench
PG Hinrich
SG Beal
PF Landry
C/PF Kanter
Coach : Danny Ainge
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9 man rotation
What needs to be added?
The Pacers
PG Rondo
SG Bradley
SF Batum
PF Scola
C Monroe
bench
PG Hinrich
SG Beal
PF Landry
C/PF Kanter
Coach : Danny Ainge
A defibrillator for Danny?
It's a young bunch. There's going to be ups and downs. I do like most of the players here though.
If your opposition puts a ball-hawking disruptor on Rondo, the offense seems like it may flounder easily. Another playmaker/facilitator in the starting lineup might help: you may need to play Hinrich here and there when that happens.
I think a perimeter-oriented big would give your bench an added dimension, too.
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9 man rotation
What needs to be added?
The Pacers
PG Rondo
SG Bradley
SF Batum
PF Scola
C Monroe
bench
PG Hinrich
SG Beal
PF Landry
C/PF Kanter
Coach : Danny Ainge
None of the bigs are plus defenders.
Need a backup wing with legitimate size for Nic Batum.
I'd strongly consider bringing in a playmaking PG. Either to (preferably) play ahead of Hinrich (while Rondo rests) or (second option) as an emergency third stringer when / if your offense needs a boost of creativity on the perimeter (when Rondo is resting).
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I'm curious to know what people think of my backourt
PG - Andre Miller
SG - Joe Johnson
I've always loved Andre Miller's game but i've always had a tough time figuring out what type of player he ideally fits with in a backcourt. He's definitely got an "old-dude-at-the-Y game" but he still keeps putting up numbers.
I dislike Andre Miller as a starter alongside JJ and Dwight Howard. His lack of a jumper and the time on the ball he requires are negatives. He won't be as effective as he normally is here + your stars won't be either.
I say bring in another starting PG and move Andre Miller to the bench.
Where (the bench) Miller was excellent last year for Denver. Along with Lou Williams, one of the two best backup guards in the league last season. He will be able to give you a completely different look from whomever you end up with as your starter. A game-changer off the bench.
Yeah ideally that would be his role, i'm with you on that.
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In chat...come talk trade
LIAR!
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Paying TPs for in-depth analysis and good answers to the last questions at the end of the post:
PG: Jeremy Lin, Jarret Jack
SG: Dwyane Wade
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Chris Bosh/Kenneth Faried
C: Emeka Okafor/Brendan Haywood
Question 1: Should I start Kenneth Faried/Bosh? The numbers say so, but is it in the best interests of the team?
Question 2: How many minutes should Jeremy Lin play? How many with the starters?
Question 3: Should Wade/Pierce/Bosh be basically untouchable?
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Paying TPs for in-depth analysis and good answers to the last questions at the end of the post:
PG: Jeremy Lin, Jarret Jack
SG: Dwyane Wade
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Chris Bosh/Kenneth Faried
C: Emeka Okafor/Brendan Haywood
Question 1: Should I start Kenneth Faried/Bosh? The numbers say so, but is it in the best interests of the team?
Question 2: How many minutes should Jeremy Lin play? How many with the starters?
Question 3: Should Wade/Pierce/Bosh be basically untouchable?
I shot you a PM cuz I don't want any of these GEEKS to get free advice.
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PG: Jeremy Lin, Jarret Jack
SG: Dwyane Wade
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Chris Bosh/Kenneth Faried
C: Emeka Okafor/Brendan Haywood
Question 1: Should I start Kenneth Faried/Bosh? The numbers say so, but is it in the best interests of the team?
I don't think Faried is a starter caliber player in the NBA yet. He is clearly a phenomenal rebounder and overall possession creator but I don't think he adds enough as a defender or as an offensive player.
Chris Bosh is a matchup nightmare at the center position but you'll lose that increase in offensive potency by putting Faried alongside him because Faried cannot make a shot outside of the paint so teams will hide their centers on him and leave their quicker big man defender on Bosh.
You will also negate the strength of your 1-2 punch at center of Okafor and Haywood by starting Bosh at center. Harder to get them the minutes they deserve.
I love Chris Bosh as a starting center but I wouldn't do in this circumstance. I don't think it makes best use of the personnel you have.
Question 2: How many minutes should Jeremy Lin play? How many with the starters?
Jeremy Lin should be nowhere near the starting lineup.
He has one chief value as a player and that is as a high usage creator offensively with mediocre efficiency. For a team desperate for offense, you start Lin and let him do his thing ... he'll improve your team.
For a team with an MVP caliber wing in Dwayne Wade and a pair of top 20 players in Paul Pierce and Chris Bosh ... each of whom who are highly talented offensive players ... it makes absolutely zero sense to take possessions away from them to give them to Lin.
Lin has proven himself incapable of functioning as a reasonable level in a smaller role in New York. When he is dominating the ball, he is electric. When he has to share it with Amare and Melo, his production and impact plummeted. The value he has alongside such talented teammates is minimal.
Jeremy Lin is not only a very poor starter ... but he will likely end up being a below average backup PG too (in this 24 team league that looks absolutely loaded at the PG position).
I would be trying to draft to compete with Jeremy Lin for those backup PG minutes.
Question 3: Should Wade/Pierce/Bosh be basically untouchable?
Bosh shouldn't be deemed untouchable. This team isn't built to his strengths so his value here is less than it could be. I would be open to considering a trade for Bosh if someone was offering you a top 20 or top 25 talent in return that better fit the rest of your team.
Dwayne Wade is one of the four best players in all of basketball. Unless you are getting one of the other three guys (Dwight, Durant, LeBron), Wade should be untouchable.
I would expect it's overwhelmingly unlikely that anyone gives you an upgrade for Pierce given his age and stuttering finish (due to injury) last season. So yeah, he is pretty much off the table too.
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Jeremy Lin is not only a very poor starter ... but he will likely end up being a below average backup PG too (in this 24 team league that looks absolutely loaded at the PG position).
Lin's going to be a divisive player. But worth noting that Knicks third most successful lineup (+20) featured Lin, Anthony and Stoudemire. And we have to be careful of how we define "plummeted" (something in the neighborhood of 15/6/3) and whether that's an inditement of Lin or Melo.
And it strikes me as odd to talk about not starting a 23 year old with a net +/- as high as Lin's. His TS% of 55.2% puts him ahead of Deron Williams, Westbrook, Parker. His PER was 11th among point guards.
Let's also acknowledge that Lin's production should still improve given his young age, unlike Pierce and Wade who's numbers will likely decline, even if only marginally (as a best case scenario).
Dwayne Wade is one of the four best players in all of basketball. Unless you are getting one of the other three guys (Dwight, Durant, LeBron), Wade should be untouchable.
Also, I'd argue Who is letting Wade coast on his reputation and second championship ring. Wade’s PPP this season was 0.96 good for 96th best in the league, his defense is declining, and he's getting to the line far less (6.1 FTA per game is the worst mark of his career since his rookie year), his 4.8 OWS ranks him 21st in the league, his 2.9 DWS ranks 27th, he's a below average three point shooter (.268 3PT%). His 7.7 WS is the third lowest mark of his career. Don't get me wrong Wade is a top tier player, but that tier is top 15 not top 4. In fact, I'd be curious to know if Wade ranked top 4 by any measure last season.
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Dwayne Wade is one of the four best players in all of basketball. Unless you are getting one of the other three guys (Dwight, Durant, LeBron), Wade should be untouchable.
Also, I'd argue Who is letting Wade coast on his reputation and second championship ring. Wade’s PPP this season was 0.96 good for 96th best in the league, his defense is declining, and he's getting to the line far less (6.1 FTA per game is the worst mark of his career since his rookie year), his 4.8 OWS ranks him 21st in the league, his 2.9 DWS ranks 27th, he's a below average three point shooter (.268 3PT%). His 7.7 WS is the third lowest mark of his career. Don't get me wrong Wade is a top tier player, but that tier is top 15 not top 4. In fact, I'd be curious to know if Wade ranked top 4 by any measure last season.
Wade's statistics would be better if he wasn't playing with LeBron. More opportunities.
Judging Wade by numbers isn't doing him justice.
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The waggle has pretty much nailed my opinion on Lin. I think expecting a 23 year old pg to become ordinary as a starter when he very clearly was not during the previous season to be just confounding. Guys become better shooters, better defenders, learn to take care of the ball better, get more acclimated to the game. Considering what Lin was able to do in a very tumultuous and trying situation in NY, I don't get why he shouldnt to be able to not only replicate it in a more stable situation with a much better and healthier lockerroom, but improve upon it.
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Jeremy Lin is not only a very poor starter ... but he will likely end up being a below average backup PG too (in this 24 team league that looks absolutely loaded at the PG position).
Lin's going to be a divisive player. But worth noting that Knicks third most successful lineup (+20) featured Lin, Anthony and Stoudemire. And we have to be careful of how we define "plummeted" (something in the neighborhood of 15/6/3) and whether that's an inditement of Lin or Melo.
Correlation does not equal causation.
They weren't winning because of Lin. They were because they canned Mike D'Antoni and replaced him with the defensive minded coach (Mike Woodson) that that roster was crying out for. And they had a big run because of it.
Lin was just along for the ride. Not driving the car.
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I am a very big fan of Lin but he has a restricted game that is only effective in certain circumstances and when you alter those situations, his value drops hugely.
And by big fan, I mean that ... I had Lin pegged as a late 2nd round to third round pick in this year's CB draft. I really really like him. I think he can add a lot of value to someone (that is desperate for offense and will let him do his thing).
I think he is a really good basketball player but his game isn't well rounded and when you don't let him play to his strengths, his game drops off. He becomes a high level backup to low level starter.
In a league like this (24 teams), that is more like an average backup PG. And with a team that is as loaded with high usage players offensively who are each more effective than Lin, he could drop even further.
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Dwayne Wade is one of the four best players in all of basketball. Unless you are getting one of the other three guys (Dwight, Durant, LeBron), Wade should be untouchable.
Also, I'd argue Who is letting Wade coast on his reputation and second championship ring. Wade’s PPP this season was 0.96 good for 96th best in the league, his defense is declining, and he's getting to the line far less (6.1 FTA per game is the worst mark of his career since his rookie year), his 4.8 OWS ranks him 21st in the league, his 2.9 DWS ranks 27th, he's a below average three point shooter (.268 3PT%). His 7.7 WS is the third lowest mark of his career. Don't get me wrong Wade is a top tier player, but that tier is top 15 not top 4. In fact, I'd be curious to know if Wade ranked top 4 by any measure last season.
Wade's statistics would be better if he wasn't playing with LeBron. More opportunities.
Judging Wade by numbers isn't doing him justice.
I will take CP3 over Wade any day.
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I think he is a really good basketball player but his game isn't well rounded and when you don't let him play to his strengths, his game drops off. He becomes a high level backup to low level starter.
This I can agree with. And I'm by no means penciling in Lin as a top 10 point guard. But he does a few things that I value a lot. For instance he actually got to the line at a higher rate than Wade (and without Stern's star treatment).
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Okc thunder
Pg: Chauncey Billups
Sg: monta Ellis/ Courtney lee
Sf: Caron butler
Pf: serge Ibaka / Andrea bargnani
C: Marc gasol/ Chris kaman
Thoughts after griffin trade?
I didn't like the Griffin trade much at all. Yes your bench is much stronger, but at the loss of your best player and only franchise talent.
I do like the fit of Billups next to Monta. They compliment each other offensively, with Billups hanging around behind the arc and Monta - ideally - looking to get at the rim and to the line. And Chauncey is big enough to guard the two if necessary. However you still need to shore up the pg position. Billups is thirty-six, just five months removed from achilles surgery, and still isn't running at full speed. And without him, the starting five suffers from a lack of shooting. The team can't afford the volume of long twos that Ellis and Butler are going to miss.
And, okay, I am a fan of the Spanish front line. Gasol and Ibaka may be the best PF/C tandem in the league. Far less potent offensively than Griffin and Gasol would've been, but better defensively. And Bargnani is an interesting match up problem for opposing teams slotted in at either the 4 or 5 as a floor spacer. Kaman mostly goes to waste as the team's fourth big man, a role we know he's not interested in. (New Orleans had to send him home at one point last season.)
(http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/photo/2012/0730/grant_g_gasol_cr_640.jpg&w=640&h=360)
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The Dubs
SG Manu Ginobili
SG Klay Thompson
Point Forward Andre Iguodala
PF Anthony Davis
C Channing Frye
Golden State coach Jerry Sloan runs his flex offense through Iguodala, with staggered screens galore for Klay Thompson. (Fun Fact 1: Thompson ranks in the top 10 among all NBA players in screen play efficiency.) and off the ball cuts by Anthony Davis. (Fun Fact 2: Last year, in cut situations, Davis posted a PPP of 1.51, placing him in the top 4% of all college players, on a ridiculous 82.7% shooting.) Channing Frye gets his off pin downs and pick and pops, and is just generally a pain for opposing centers to guard.
What about Manu you ask?
Manu Ginobili is among the top-20 most efficient NBA players spotting-up, isolating, and shooting off screens, showing the whole arsenal.
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Pretty typical Walker Wiggle team. High pick the was controversial but ripe with 'I told you so' potential? Check. Using players in unorthodox positions, in an attempt to maximize mismatches, even though he knows he will get hit for it come voting? Check. A center nobody feels good about but there is a bounty of evidence that he'll be able to do what he says he can? Check.
Gimme something better than Channing Frye and I'm on board for a playoffs birth.
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Also Manu Ginobli had no business getting picked so late in the second.
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PG: Jeremy Lin, Jarret Jack
SG: Dwyane Wade
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Chris Bosh/Kenneth Faried
C: Emeka Okafor/Brendan Haywood
Question 1: Should I start Kenneth Faried/Bosh? The numbers say so, but is it in the best interests of the team?
I don't think Faried is a starter caliber player in the NBA yet. He is clearly a phenomenal rebounder and overall possession creator but I don't think he adds enough as a defender or as an offensive player.
Chris Bosh is a matchup nightmare at the center position but you'll lose that increase in offensive potency by putting Faried alongside him because Faried cannot make a shot outside of the paint so teams will hide their centers on him and leave their quicker big man defender on Bosh.
You will also negate the strength of your 1-2 punch at center of Okafor and Haywood by starting Bosh at center. Harder to get them the minutes they deserve.
I love Chris Bosh as a starting center but I wouldn't do in this circumstance. I don't think it makes best use of the personnel you have.
Okafor should absolutely start at C. He was easily a top 5 center in the East two seasons ago when he had a decent supporting cast around him and you have that now. Very good defender, rebounder, and isn't a liability on offense. Who is right that playing Bosh at C will take away deserved minutes from Okafor and Haywood, plus Bosh will be less effective at the C position with Faried on the floor with him.
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Question 2: How many minutes should Jeremy Lin play? How many with the starters?
Jeremy Lin should be nowhere near the starting lineup.
He has one chief value as a player and that is as a high usage creator offensively with mediocre efficiency. For a team desperate for offense, you start Lin and let him do his thing ... he'll improve your team.
For a team with an MVP caliber wing in Dwayne Wade and a pair of top 20 players in Paul Pierce and Chris Bosh ... each of whom who are highly talented offensive players ... it makes absolutely zero sense to take possessions away from them to give them to Lin.
Lin has proven himself incapable of functioning as a reasonable level in a smaller role in New York. When he is dominating the ball, he is electric. When he has to share it with Amare and Melo, his production and impact plummeted. The value he has alongside such talented teammates is minimal.
Jeremy Lin is not only a very poor starter ... but he will likely end up being a below average backup PG too (in this 24 team league that looks absolutely loaded at the PG position).
I would be trying to draft to compete with Jeremy Lin for those backup PG minutes.
I just don't like Lin on this team at all. I think Lin would be most effective on a team that he runs the show (proved that this season). Wade has shown that he is absolutely not his most effective when playing off the ball. It's not a good mix.
Lin is indeed going to be a divisive player. I think he'd be best on a team with players that can play without the ball. Surrounded by players like Ray, Pierce, KG, Wilson Chandler, Gallinari, Kevin Love are where I think Lin could be effective.
I just don't like him on this team at all. If you like the idea of Bosh playing some C, I'd try to trade Lin + Haywood for a better fit PG + lesser C or stretch 4.
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Dwayne Wade is one of the four best players in all of basketball. Unless you are getting one of the other three guys (Dwight, Durant, LeBron), Wade should be untouchable.
Also, I'd argue Who is letting Wade coast on his reputation and second championship ring. Wade’s PPP this season was 0.96 good for 96th best in the league, his defense is declining, and he's getting to the line far less (6.1 FTA per game is the worst mark of his career since his rookie year), his 4.8 OWS ranks him 21st in the league, his 2.9 DWS ranks 27th, he's a below average three point shooter (.268 3PT%). His 7.7 WS is the third lowest mark of his career. Don't get me wrong Wade is a top tier player, but that tier is top 15 not top 4. In fact, I'd be curious to know if Wade ranked top 4 by any measure last season.
Yeah, I don't think Wade is a top 4 player anymore. I read Who's rebuttal, and I agree that Wade's statistics have dropped off in large part because of playing with Lebron, but I think that from what I've seen with my eyes he has declined in almost all aspects of his game lately and that decline is going to continue as he loses athleticism with age and hasn't been improving his jumper. I put Wade on Kobe's level right now and would absolutely choose CP or a healthy Rose over him for one season.
Regarding IP's original question of the 3 being untouchable, I really like the potential of a Wade-Pierce duo. The two of them should be able to hold down the wings on defense. Pierce's shooting complements Wade's game well. But Pierce can also carry a good chunk of the offensive load and will be able to do so more effectively/efficiently without having to do so as frequently as he currently does and also without the opponent's best wing defender on him anymore. I love the pairing and I'd keep the two of them together.
I think that Bosh should not be considered untouchable. I think that Wade and Pierce should both be considered almost untouchable b/c of their fit (unless you want to keep Lin and/or can get a top 7 player back for Wade). Some trades I think I'd consider are like Lin + Bosh for Rondo or Lin + Wade for CP/Parker + a very good SG.
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Well, kind of a moot point now:
Bulls:
Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Thad Young
Emeka Okafor/Brendan Haywood
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Well, kind of a moot point now:
Bulls:
Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Thad Young
Emeka Okafor/Brendan Haywood
A top four team in the league. The concern is you've got a lot of guys coming off poor years or injuries. It's a lot to argue that everyone is going to come back fully healthy *and* is going to improve on a down season.
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Well, kind of a moot point now:
Bulls:
Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Thad Young
Emeka Okafor/Brendan Haywood
A top four team in the league. The concern is you've got a lot of guys coming off poor years or injuries. It's a lot to argue that everyone is going to come back fully healthy *and* is going to improve on a down season.
And you believe that to be the limiting factor for me?
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Well, kind of a moot point now:
Bulls:
Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Thad Young
Emeka Okafor/Brendan Haywood
A top four team in the league. The concern is you've got a lot of guys coming off poor years or injuries. It's a lot to argue that everyone is going to come back fully healthy *and* is going to improve on a down season.
And you believe that to be the limiting factor for me?
Sure. Wade is in decline, and was injured in the playoffs. Pierce and Wade are in decline, Holiday had a bad year, Okafor had a serious injury and still hasn't resumed basketball activities, etc.
That's the biggest issue. Well, besides that you're starting Ru Paul. :D
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Well, kind of a moot point now:
Bulls:
Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Thad Young
Emeka Okafor/Brendan Haywood
A top four team in the league. The concern is you've got a lot of guys coming off poor years or injuries. It's a lot to argue that everyone is going to come back fully healthy *and* is going to improve on a down season.
And you believe that to be the limiting factor for me?
Sure. Wade is in decline, and was injured in the playoffs. Pierce and Wade are in decline, Holiday had a bad year, Okafor had a serious injury and still hasn't resumed basketball activities, etc.
That's the biggest issue. Well, besides that you're starting Ru Paul. :D
I see. I'll have to think about that.
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-849e4NJs5aU/Tn9GLhDXokI/AAAAAAAABzc/F-BL6n6MpZI/s1600/tv_breaking_bad05.jpg)
IP and Roy?
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Okafor had a serious injury and still hasn't resumed basketball activities, etc.
I'd also like to say this is false, Okafor's injury was swelling and soreness in his knee, and New Orleans decided to shut him down. In case you guys didn't know, they were kind of angling for a high draft pick.
Okafor was cleared for five on five play before the end of June, and has been working out on the knee.
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Okafor had a serious injury and still hasn't resumed basketball activities, etc.
I'd also like to say this is false, Okafor's injury was swelling and soreness in his knee, and New Orleans decided to shut him down. In case you guys didn't know, they were kind of angling for a high draft pick.
Okafor was cleared for five on five play before the end of June, and has been working out on the knee.
What part is false?
Okafor had a major injury (i.e., a knee injury). Check.
He still hasn't resumed playing. Check.
You can believe that that's because he "hasn't been able to find a pickup game", but if that's the case, then Okafor is not just injured, he's amazingly stupid and/or lazy.
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Okafor had a serious injury and still hasn't resumed basketball activities, etc.
I'd also like to say this is false, Okafor's injury was swelling and soreness in his knee, and New Orleans decided to shut him down. In case you guys didn't know, they were kind of angling for a high draft pick.
Okafor was cleared for five on five play before the end of June, and has been working out on the knee.
What part is false?
Okafor had a major injury (i.e., a knee injury). Check.
He still hasn't resumed playing. Check.
You can believe that that's because he "hasn't been able to find a pickup game", but if that's the case, then Okafor is not just injured, he's amazingly stupid and/or lazy.
Oh, I thought you actually meant a major injury. Nevermind, I gotcha now. I thought you were just misinformed. Emeka Okafor is gonna be fine.
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TP's have been given too by the way for everyone who weighed in on my post last night. Couldn't do it from my phone.
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New Lineup after soon to be announced trade
Derek Rose/Damian Lillard
Iman Shumpert
Paul George
Ryan Anderson
DeMarcus Cousins/Tiago Splitter
Thought that this trade gives me more defense.
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New Lineup after soon to be announced trade
Derek Rose/Damian Lillard
Iman Shumpert
Paul George
Ryan Anderson
DeMarcus Cousins/Tiago Splitter
Thought that this trade gives me more defense.
You should put your picks in your sig.
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Pretty typical Walker Wiggle team. High pick the was controversial but ripe with 'I told you so' potential? Check. Using players in unorthodox positions, in an attempt to maximize mismatches, even though he knows he will get hit for it come voting? Check. A center nobody feels good about but there is a bounty of evidence that he'll be able to do what he says he can? Check.
Gimme something better than Channing Frye and I'm on board for a playoffs birth.
Controversial? You were on board with first round Greg Oden selections for three straight years.
Thanks for nothing.
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New Lineup after soon to be announced trade
Derek Rose/Damian Lillard
Iman Shumpert
Paul George
Ryan Anderson
DeMarcus Cousins/Tiago Splitter
Thought that this trade gives me more defense.
You should put your picks in your sig.
Sorry I'll update them now
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The Hawks
PG: George Hill
SG: Kobe/Grant Hill
SF: Mbah A Moute/Grant Hill
PF: David West
C: Tim Duncan/Sam Dalembert
Nice thing about this is that there can be times where I play Grant at the SF and Mbah A Moute at the PF with Duncan when West is Resting.
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New Lineup after soon to be announced trade
Derek Rose/Damian Lillard
Iman Shumpert
Paul George
Ryan Anderson
DeMarcus Cousins/Tiago Splitter
Thought that this trade gives me more defense.
You should put your picks in your sig.
Sorry I'll update them now
you need depth as shumpert is going to be out for a while and rose is out for most of the season
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The Hawks
PG: George Hill
SG: Kobe/Grant Hill
SF: Mbah A Moute/Grant Hill
PF: David West
C: Tim Duncan/Sam Dalembert
Nice thing about this is that there can be times where I play Grant at the SF and Mbah A Moute at the PF with Duncan when West is Resting.
Yet another solid pick in Grant Hill for this team. (At least in my eyes where I didn't see him play much last season so I'm remembering more of the Grant Hill from a year ago. He did have quite a statistical drop this season.)
Question: You have two G Hill's on the team. Is the extra split second that Kobe will need to read the Ge. Hill or Gr. Hill and figure out which player it is before he passes the ball going to lead to potential extra turnovers?
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The Hawks
PG: George Hill
SG: Kobe/Grant Hill
SF: Mbah A Moute/Grant Hill
PF: David West
C: Tim Duncan/Sam Dalembert
Nice thing about this is that there can be times where I play Grant at the SF and Mbah A Moute at the PF with Duncan when West is Resting.
Yet another solid pick in Grant Hill for this team. (At least in my eyes where I didn't see him play much last season so I'm remembering more of the Grant Hill from a year ago. He did have quite a statistical drop this season.)
Question: You have two G Hill's on the team. Is the extra split second that Kobe will need to read the Ge. Hill or Gr. Hill and figure out which player it is before he passes the ball going to lead to potential extra turnovers?
No way, because kobe follows this strategy
(http://p.twimg.com/ApbrS8XCAAAFPNI.jpg:large)
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PG-Rubio
SG-Brooks
SF-Melo
PF-Blak
C-Perk
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Well, kind of a moot point now:
Bulls:
Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Thad Young
Emeka Okafor/Brendan Haywood
I like what you've done here with this trade. Overall improvement. Thad Young will be a good PF for this team and he can be a good fit here when/if Bosh plays center.
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Pretty typical Walker Wiggle team. High pick the was controversial but ripe with 'I told you so' potential? Check. Using players in unorthodox positions, in an attempt to maximize mismatches, even though he knows he will get hit for it come voting? Check. A center nobody feels good about but there is a bounty of evidence that he'll be able to do what he says he can? Check.
Gimme something better than Channing Frye and I'm on board for a playoffs birth.
Controversial? You were on board with first round Greg Oden selections for three straight years.
Thanks for nothing.
I'm conventional!
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The Hawks
PG: George Hill
SG: Kobe/Grant Hill
SF: Mbah A Moute/Grant Hill
PF: David West
C: Tim Duncan/Sam Dalembert
Nice thing about this is that there can be times where I play Grant at the SF and Mbah A Moute at the PF with Duncan when West is Resting.
Yet another solid pick in Grant Hill for this team. (At least in my eyes where I didn't see him play much last season so I'm remembering more of the Grant Hill from a year ago. He did have quite a statistical drop this season.)
Question: You have two G Hill's on the team. Is the extra split second that Kobe will need to read the Ge. Hill or Gr. Hill and figure out which player it is before he passes the ball going to lead to potential extra turnovers?
No way, because kobe follows this strategy
(http://p.twimg.com/ApbrS8XCAAAFPNI.jpg:large)
TP, that is the correct answer I was looking for.
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PG-Rubio
SG-Brooks
SF-Melo
PF-Blak
C-Perk
I feel like every other post on this board is asking what people think of the knicks.
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Boston Celtics
Center - Andrew Bynum
PF - Ersan Ilyasova
SF - Kevin Durant
SG - Jodie Meeks
PG - Jose Calderon
Bench: Jameer Nelson, Jamal Crawford, Ron Artest, Udonis Haslem
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Now that we've got eight players, it might be time for us to start asking how we look:
PG: Chris Paul
SG: Wes Matthews/Landry Fields
SF: Danny Granger/Stephen Jackson
PF: Nene/Michael Beasley
C: Spencer Hawes/Nene
Two picks coming up in the 9th. Thinking about another guard and another big, but perhaps I'm overlooking something that needs to be addressed.
TPs for constructive feedback.
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Now that we've got eight players, it might be time for us to start asking how we look:
PG: Chris Paul
SG: Wes Matthews/Landry Fields
SF: Danny Granger/Stephen Jackson
PF: Nene/Michael Beasley
C: Spencer Hawes/Nene
Two picks coming up in the 9th. Thinking about another guard and another big, but perhaps I'm overlooking something that needs to be addressed.
TPs for constructive feedback.
Your team looks like it's going to be best off with a 9 man rotation and PG is only slot left to be filled to complete that rotation. So that's the only immediate need. The only priority.
From there, it's just adding third stringers.
Guys who offer specific (but limited) skill-sets to offer your team something different in various situations where you feel they can help. A sharp-shooter on the wing perhaps. A more defensively capable PF behind Beasley in case that is what you want next to Nene (C). A bigger defensive orientated center behind Hawes (to help Nene). A third ball-handling lead guard (what type best fits depends some on your primary backup PG).
Something along those lines would be my first choice with your final four picks (after you pick a PG with your next pick).
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Now that we've got eight players, it might be time for us to start asking how we look:
PG: Chris Paul
SG: Wes Matthews/Landry Fields
SF: Danny Granger/Stephen Jackson
PF: Nene/Michael Beasley
C: Spencer Hawes/Nene
Two picks coming up in the 9th. Thinking about another guard and another big, but perhaps I'm overlooking something that needs to be addressed.
TPs for constructive feedback.
Your team looks like it's going to be best off with a 9 man rotation and PG is only slot left to be filled to complete that rotation. So that's the only immediate need. The only priority.
From there, it's just adding third stringers.
Guys who offer specific (but limited) skill-sets to offer your team something different in various situations where you feel they can help. A sharp-shooter on the wing perhaps. A more defensively capable PF behind Beasley in case that is what you want next to Nene (C). A bigger defensive orientated center behind Hawes (to help Nene). A third ball-handling lead guard (what type best fits depends some on your primary backup PG).
Something along those lines would be my first choice with your final four picks (after you pick a PG with your next pick).
Thanks, Who. TP paid.
I think we'd be open to consolidating some of the talent for upgrades, but even if we don't find the right trade, I think we've done a decent job.
One of those players you mentioned, a center, came off the board this round. I kept going back and forth between him and Jackson, but thought he'd be a little bit of a reach and would be there in the 9th. Looks like I was wrong.
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Now that we've got eight players, it might be time for us to start asking how we look:
PG: Chris Paul
SG: Wes Matthews/Landry Fields
SF: Danny Granger/Stephen Jackson
PF: Nene/Michael Beasley
C: Spencer Hawes/Nene
Two picks coming up in the 9th. Thinking about another guard and another big, but perhaps I'm overlooking something that needs to be addressed.
TPs for constructive feedback.
I like the depth here. Pretty solid squad.
Interested to see what you do at the backup PG spot.
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Now that we've got eight players, it might be time for us to start asking how we look:
PG: Chris Paul
SG: Wes Matthews/Landry Fields
SF: Danny Granger/Stephen Jackson
PF: Nene/Michael Beasley
C: Spencer Hawes/Nene
Two picks coming up in the 9th. Thinking about another guard and another big, but perhaps I'm overlooking something that needs to be addressed.
TPs for constructive feedback.
I like the depth here. Pretty solid squad.
Interested to see what you do at the backup PG spot.
I agree, I like it alot. Kinda snuck up on me as a really really good squad.
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Now that we've got eight players, it might be time for us to start asking how we look:
PG: Chris Paul
SG: Wes Matthews/Landry Fields
SF: Danny Granger/Stephen Jackson
PF: Nene/Michael Beasley
C: Spencer Hawes/Nene
Two picks coming up in the 9th. Thinking about another guard and another big, but perhaps I'm overlooking something that needs to be addressed.
TPs for constructive feedback.
I like the depth here. Pretty solid squad.
Interested to see what you do at the backup PG spot.
I agree, I like it alot. Kinda snuck up on me as a really really good squad.
Wait, your in the east? Meh its an ok team.
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Now that we've got eight players, it might be time for us to start asking how we look:
PG: Chris Paul
SG: Wes Matthews/Landry Fields
SF: Danny Granger/Stephen Jackson
PF: Nene/Michael Beasley
C: Spencer Hawes/Nene
Two picks coming up in the 9th. Thinking about another guard and another big, but perhaps I'm overlooking something that needs to be addressed.
TPs for constructive feedback.
I like the depth here. Pretty solid squad.
Interested to see what you do at the backup PG spot.
I agree, I like it alot. Kinda snuck up on me as a really really good squad.
Wait, your in the east? Meh its an ok team.
And I'd just given you the TP. Booo.
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Through 8
Roster and projected rotation
PG - Jeremy Lin / Jason Kidd / (Roy)
SG - Brandon Roy / Brandon Rush / (MKG)
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist / Harrison Barnes
PF - Kenneth Faried / Andre Drummond
C - Andrew Bogut / (Drummond)
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Through 8
Roster and projected rotation
PG - Jeremy Lin / (Roy)
SG - Brandon Roy / Brandon Rush / (MKG)
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist / Harrison Barnes
PF - Kenneth Faried / Andre Drummond
C - Andrew Bogut / (Drummond)
Just thinking out loud: make Roy the backup to Lin/6th man? Will help conserve his energy/knees, and allow him to quarterback the offense for the 2nd unit. I think he works better with the ball in his hands; with Lin, he'll get less touches.
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Through 8
Roster and projected rotation
PG - Jeremy Lin / (Roy)
SG - Brandon Roy / Brandon Rush / (MKG)
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist / Harrison Barnes
PF - Kenneth Faried / Andre Drummond
C - Andrew Bogut / (Drummond)
Who is going to be the primary scoring option on this team?
A broken down and untested Brandon Roy? The hope that Jeremy Lin won't turn into a flash in the pan?
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Through 8
Roster and projected rotation
PG - Jeremy Lin / (Roy)
SG - Brandon Roy / Brandon Rush / (MKG)
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist / Harrison Barnes
PF - Kenneth Faried / Andre Drummond
C - Andrew Bogut / (Drummond)
Who is going to be the primary scoring option on this team?
A broken down and untested Brandon Roy? The hope that Jeremy Lin won't turn into a flash in the pan?
Lin really. That "flash in the pan" can drop 38 on the Lakers twin towers, not too much hope is needed I'm sure. Line will run on mostly pick and rolls and some Iso's if the shot clock is down.
Roy is the second option I think. He'll be an off the ball, through the screen guy. He works from there, either he shoots it, drive it (with less explosiveness though) or pass it. But Roy wont be the focal point of the offense unless Lin is on the bench.
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Through 8
Roster and projected rotation
PG - Jeremy Lin / (Roy)
SG - Brandon Roy / Brandon Rush / (MKG)
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist / Harrison Barnes
PF - Kenneth Faried / Andre Drummond
C - Andrew Bogut / (Drummond)
Just thinking out loud: make Roy the backup to Lin/6th man? Will help conserve his energy/knees, and allow him to quarterback the offense for the 2nd unit. I think he works better with the ball in his hands; with Lin, he'll get less touches.
That's the way it works.
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Through 8
Roster and projected rotation
PG - Jeremy Lin / (Roy)
SG - Brandon Roy / Brandon Rush / (MKG)
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist / Harrison Barnes
PF - Kenneth Faried / Andre Drummond
C - Andrew Bogut / (Drummond)
Who is going to be the primary scoring option on this team?
A broken down and untested Brandon Roy? The hope that Jeremy Lin won't turn into a flash in the pan?
Lin really. That "flash in the pan" can drop 38 on the Lakers twin towers, not too much hope is needed I'm sure. Line will run on mostly pick and rolls and some Iso's if the shot clock is down.
Roy is the second option I think. He'll be an off the ball, through the screen guy. He works from there, either he shoots it, drive it (with less explosiveness though) or pass it. But Roy wont be the focal point of the offense unless Lin is on the bench.
You need more scoring in a bad way.
Honestly, I think this team struggles to score more than 70-80 points/night right now.
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Through 8
Roster and projected rotation
PG - Jeremy Lin / (Roy)
SG - Brandon Roy / Brandon Rush / (MKG)
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist / Harrison Barnes
PF - Kenneth Faried / Andre Drummond
C - Andrew Bogut / (Drummond)
Just thinking out loud: make Roy the backup to Lin/6th man? Will help conserve his energy/knees, and allow him to quarterback the offense for the 2nd unit. I think he works better with the ball in his hands; with Lin, he'll get less touches.
I forgot to add Jason Kidd. Kidd is the back up.
Problem is he has no explosiveness, so with the ball in his hands, as the focal point of the offense, defenders can just back down a bit to make sure he cant drive the lane.
I like Roy as the starter because of this. He's the off the ball, through the screen guy ala that guy who went to Miami who I don't want to name. He'll get his touches coming off screens.
He works from there after he gets the ball. He's not as good of a shooter as him, but he can shoot it there. He can also drive it to the basket (assuming his knees hold up), so he'll be a dual threat. Point is, he gives the defender of a dual threat, either the defender closes in or give him space. With the ball in his hand, the defender can distance himself. Coming off the screen, he gets a little space to work on.
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Through 8
Roster and projected rotation
PG - Jeremy Lin / (Roy)
SG - Brandon Roy / Brandon Rush / (MKG)
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist / Harrison Barnes
PF - Kenneth Faried / Andre Drummond
C - Andrew Bogut / (Drummond)
Who is going to be the primary scoring option on this team?
A broken down and untested Brandon Roy? The hope that Jeremy Lin won't turn into a flash in the pan?
Lin really. That "flash in the pan" can drop 38 on the Lakers twin towers, not too much hope is needed I'm sure. Line will run on mostly pick and rolls and some Iso's if the shot clock is down.
Roy is the second option I think. He'll be an off the ball, through the screen guy. He works from there, either he shoots it, drive it (with less explosiveness though) or pass it. But Roy wont be the focal point of the offense unless Lin is on the bench.
You need more scoring in a bad way.
Honestly, I think this team struggles to score more than 70-80 points/night right now.
Barnes (at least he's billed this way) can drop 15 a night making atleast 2-3 rainbows. Rush can contribute from threes too, a good 10-12 pts guy making 2-3 threes. Roy, provided he's atleast 85% of the Roy we know can at least give us 12-15 as well. And Lin has showed us on a solid night he can drop 20 and 7 assists. Bogut posting up can give you a good 10-12 a night.
But the cream of the crop is second chance points. Faried, Bogut, MKG, Drummond will crash the boards like crazy. And surely enough they'll get offensive rebounds and get more possesions for the team, allowing the team to score. Heck they can score after the grab the board. And the good thing about it, those guys can sprint back easily on defense after crashing the board if they are unsuccessful, so the defense is still set.
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Through 8
Roster and projected rotation
PG - Jeremy Lin / (Roy)
SG - Brandon Roy / Brandon Rush / (MKG)
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist / Harrison Barnes
PF - Kenneth Faried / Andre Drummond
C - Andrew Bogut / (Drummond)
Who is going to be the primary scoring option on this team?
A broken down and untested Brandon Roy? The hope that Jeremy Lin won't turn into a flash in the pan?
Lin really. That "flash in the pan" can drop 38 on the Lakers twin towers, not too much hope is needed I'm sure. Line will run on mostly pick and rolls and some Iso's if the shot clock is down.
Roy is the second option I think. He'll be an off the ball, through the screen guy. He works from there, either he shoots it, drive it (with less explosiveness though) or pass it. But Roy wont be the focal point of the offense unless Lin is on the bench.
You need more scoring in a bad way.
Honestly, I think this team struggles to score more than 70-80 points/night right now.
Barnes (at least he's billed this way) can drop 15 a night making atleast 2-3 rainbows. Rush can contribute from threes too, a good 10-12 pts guy making 2-3 threes. Roy, provided he's atleast 85% of the Roy we know can at least give us 12-15 as well. And Lin has showed us on a solid night he can drop 20 and 7 assists. Bogut posting up can give you a good 10-12 a night.
But the cream of the crop is second chance points. Faried, Bogut, MKG, Drummond will crash the boards like crazy. And surely enough they'll get offensive rebounds and get more possesions for the team, allowing the team to score. Heck they can score after the grab the board. And the good thing about it, those guys can sprint back easily on defense after crashing the board if they are unsuccessful, so the defense is still set.
i think you have the TOTF but wont be a contender this year
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Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Thad Young
Brendan Haywood/Tiago Splitter
Pow-pow! Ka-pow!
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Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Thad Young
Brendan Haywood/Tiago Splitter
Pow-pow! Ka-pow!
This is going to be a mighty tough team to beat, IMO.
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The Phoenix Suns
1. Steve Nash/Raymond Felton
2. Jason Richardson/DeMar DeRozan
3. Tayshaun Prince
4. Kevin Love
5. Joakim Noah
Will be picking a big man with my next pick to round off my 8-man rotation. What you guys think so far?
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The Phoenix Suns
1. Steve Nash/Raymond Felton
2. Jason Richardson/DeMar DeRozan
3. Tayshaun Prince
4. Kevin Love
5. Joakim Noah
Will be picking a big man with my next pick to round off my 8-man rotation. What you guys think so far?
Pretty solid backcourt if you get skinny Felton.
I love the idea of a Nash/Love combo. That'd be a blast to watch.
You're not going to get outrebounded often, I'll tell you that.
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Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Thad Young
Brendan Haywood/Tiago Splitter
Pow-pow! Ka-pow!
I don't really understand the Okafor for Splitter trade. Was it the injuries? Or did you feel you needed the higher draft pick you got back in the deal?
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Through 9
DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Tyreke Evans
Bench:
Lou Williams
Kevin Martin
Steve Novak
Dejuan Blair
Matt Bonner
J.J Redick
(got 3 of the best guys shooting the 3 ball off the bench. :)
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Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Thad Young
Brendan Haywood/Tiago Splitter
Pow-pow! Ka-pow!
I don't really understand the Okafor for Splitter trade. Was it the injuries? Or did you feel you needed the higher draft pick you got back in the deal?
tiago is better than okafor
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Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Thad Young
Brendan Haywood/Tiago Splitter
Pow-pow! Ka-pow!
I don't really understand the Okafor for Splitter trade. Was it the injuries? Or did you feel you needed the higher draft pick you got back in the deal?
tiago is better than okafor
If Okafor is healthy, no way. Splitter is solid, but some folks wildly overrate him.
I'll save my criticism until IP makes the Finals, though.
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Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Thad Young
Brendan Haywood/Tiago Splitter
Pow-pow! Ka-pow!
I don't really understand the Okafor for Splitter trade. Was it the injuries? Or did you feel you needed the higher draft pick you got back in the deal?
tiago is better than okafor
If Okafor is healthy, no way. Splitter is solid, but some folks wildly overrate him.
I'll save my criticism until IP makes the Finals, though.
splitter has a better PER than okafor and if you look at the other stats you will see splitter is better if anything okafor is just a well known name
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Through 9
DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Tyreke Evans
Bench:
Lou Williams
Kevin Martin
Steve Novak
Dejuan Blair
Matt Bonner
J.J Redick
(got 3 of the best guys shooting the 3 ball off the bench. :)
I think we have quietly built a solid playoff team that could do some damage!
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Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Thad Young
Brendan Haywood/Tiago Splitter
Pow-pow! Ka-pow!
I don't really understand the Okafor for Splitter trade. Was it the injuries? Or did you feel you needed the higher draft pick you got back in the deal?
tiago is better than okafor
If Okafor is healthy, no way. Splitter is solid, but some folks wildly overrate him.
I'll save my criticism until IP makes the Finals, though.
Splitter is a better offensive player, and consistently plays within himself. Okafor gets a bad rap sometimes because he replaced Tyson Chandler on CP3's Hornets, but guess what...he's not Tyson Chandler.
But for being good ol Emeka Okafor, he's pretty good defensively. Healthy Okafor vs Splitter, Okafor is the better player. Doesn't mean Splitter is bad, but he's not as good as Okafor.
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Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Chris Bosh/Thad Young
Brendan Haywood/Tiago Splitter
Pow-pow! Ka-pow!
I don't really understand the Okafor for Splitter trade. Was it the injuries? Or did you feel you needed the higher draft pick you got back in the deal?
tiago is better than okafor
If Okafor is healthy, no way. Splitter is solid, but some folks wildly overrate him.
I'll save my criticism until IP makes the Finals, though.
splitter has a better PER than okafor and if you look at the other stats you will see splitter is better if anything okafor is just a well known name
But how much of that is due to the fact that Splitter plays less than 20 minutes a game?
If he's forced to play more, does his effectiveness diminish?
That said, I like Splitter over Meka for IP's squad.
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Through 9
DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Tyreke Evans
Bench:
Lou Williams
Kevin Martin
Steve Novak
Dejuan Blair
Matt Bonner
J.J Redick
(got 3 of the best guys shooting the 3 ball off the bench. :)
I'd start Kev.Mart over JR Smith. Martin can play off the ball, through the screen plays and shoot. JR with Tyreke is a gunner duo and not an efficient one. Martin opens it up for Gasol a little more too.
Very solid team.
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Through 9
DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Tyreke Evans
Bench:
Lou Williams
Kevin Martin
Steve Novak
Dejuan Blair
Matt Bonner
J.J Redick
(got 3 of the best guys shooting the 3 ball off the bench. :)
I think we have quietly built a solid playoff team that could do some damage!
I hate the back court, and your bench D sucks. I agree, though, that this should be a playoff squad. It's a very talented team.
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The Phoenix Suns
1. Steve Nash/Raymond Felton
2. Jason Richardson/DeMar DeRozan
3. Tayshaun Prince
4. Kevin Love
5. Joakim Noah
Will be picking a big man with my next pick to round off my 8-man rotation. What you guys think so far?
+Tristan Thompson, now. 8-man rotation is complete.
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Basically, it looks like this:
PG: Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
SG: Dwyane Wade/Jarret Jack
SF: Paul Pierce/Chandler Parsons
PF: Chris Bosh/Thad Young/Tiago Splitter
C: Brendan Haywood/Tiago Splitter
That's 9 rounds, 9 players, all that's left is the winning.
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Basically, it looks like this:
PG: Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
SG: Dwyane Wade/Jarret Jack
SF: Paul Pierce/Chandler Parsons
PF: Chris Bosh/Thad Young/Tiago Splitter
C: Brendan Haywood/Tiago Splitter
That's 9 rounds, 9 players, all that's left is the winning.
Winning your division, maybe.
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Basically, it looks like this:
PG: Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
SG: Dwyane Wade/Jarret Jack
SF: Paul Pierce/Chandler Parsons
PF: Chris Bosh/Thad Young/Tiago Splitter
C: Brendan Haywood/Tiago Splitter
That's 9 rounds, 9 players, all that's left is the winning.
Winning your division, maybe.
If I'm lucky. As in Lucky17 who will presumably win my division. But I don't like talking about myself, and I don't see the harm in the Chicago Bulls at least giving it the old college try, you know?
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C:Al Horford/ Nick Collison
PF :LaMarcus Alridge/ Thomas Robinson
SF:Rudy Gay/ Carlos Delfino
SG: Tony Allen/ Carlos Delfino
PG: Kyle Lowry/ Devin Harris.
(http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/12/10/128733893677354594.jpg)
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C:Al Horford/ Nick Collison
PF :LaMarcus Alridge/ Thomas Robinson
SF:Rudy Gay/ Carlos Delfino
SG: Tony Allen/ Carlos Delfino
PG: Kyle Lowry/ Devin Harris.
(http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/12/10/128733893677354594.jpg)
Second best team in the West.
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C:Al Horford/ Nick Collison
PF :LaMarcus Alridge/ Thomas Robinson
SF:Rudy Gay/ Carlos Delfino
SG: Tony Allen/ Carlos Delfino
PG: Kyle Lowry/ Devin Harris.
(http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/12/10/128733893677354594.jpg)
Second best team in the West.
I think there's the potential to be a real battle there.
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C:Al Horford/ Nick Collison
PF :LaMarcus Alridge/ Thomas Robinson
SF:Rudy Gay/ Carlos Delfino
SG: Tony Allen/ Carlos Delfino
PG: Kyle Lowry/ Devin Harris.
(http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/12/10/128733893677354594.jpg)
Second best team in the West.
I think there's the potential to be a real battle there.
I like that we've already got analysis boiled down to funny pictures and one liners.
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C:Al Horford/ Nick Collison
PF :LaMarcus Alridge/ Thomas Robinson
SF:Rudy Gay/ Carlos Delfino
SG: Tony Allen/ Carlos Delfino
PG: Kyle Lowry/ Devin Harris.
(http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/12/10/128733893677354594.jpg)
Second best team in the West.
I think there's the potential to be a real battle there.
A battle, yes. In the end, though, only one team has this guy:
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f395/berknip/lebron.png)
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C:Al Horford/ Nick Collison
PF :LaMarcus Alridge/ Thomas Robinson
SF:Rudy Gay/ Carlos Delfino
SG: Tony Allen/ Carlos Delfino
PG: Kyle Lowry/ Devin Harris
Likes: Frontline versatility as well as depth. There are no centers on this team, they've just got 3 legitimate PF/C's. Kyle Lowry in general. Defense in positions 1-5 among starters, and potential on the bench for defense. Athleticism in transition, probably better 1-5 than anyone in the league, and with the defense, lots of steals/blocks/long rebounds to start the break
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Ricky Rubio/D.J. Augustin
Corey Brewer/Marshon Brooks
Melo
Blake Griffin/Big Baby
Kendrick Perkins/Mozgov
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C:Al Horford/ Nick Collison
PF :LaMarcus Alridge/ Thomas Robinson
SF:Rudy Gay/ Carlos Delfino
SG: Tony Allen/ Carlos Delfino
PG: Kyle Lowry/ Devin Harris
Likes: Frontline versatility as well as depth. There are no centers on this team, they've just got 3 legitimate PF/C's. Kyle Lowry in general. Defense in positions 1-5 among starters, and potential on the bench for defense. Athleticism in transition, probably better 1-5 than anyone in the league, and with the defense, lots of steals/blocks/long rebounds to start the break. Long Walks on the Beach. French Art House Cinema.
You forgot to say what's in it for the ladies.
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Ricky Rubio/D.J. Augustin
Corey Brewer/Marshon Brooks
Melo
Blake Griffin/Big Baby
Kendrick Perkins/Mozgov
Playoff team. Not a contender, though.
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I still don't understand the "Al Horford is not a center" meme. I feel like once you're an All NBA player at that position, you should be considered that position. But I'm old fashioned.
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Ricky Rubio/D.J. Augustin
Corey Brewer/Marshon Brooks
Melo
Blake Griffin/Big Baby
Kendrick Perkins/Mozgov
Playoff team. Not a contender, though.
Why not a contender?
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Ricky Rubio/D.J. Augustin
Corey Brewer/Marshon Brooks
Melo
Blake Griffin/Big Baby
Kendrick Perkins/Mozgov
I'm curious: why is a Carmelo/Blake/Perk threesome better than Carmelo/Amare/Chandler?
On the real Knicks, Carmelo hogged the ball, and Amare couldn't operate effectively because Chandler was taking up a lot of his space.
I love the talent of your top four, but I'm curious why they'll do better than the real Knicks.
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C:Al Horford/ Nick Collison
PF :LaMarcus Alridge/ Thomas Robinson
SF:Rudy Gay/ Carlos Delfino
SG: Tony Allen/ Carlos Delfino
PG: Kyle Lowry/ Devin Harris.
(http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/12/10/128733893677354594.jpg)
Second best team in the West.
I think there's the potential to be a real battle there.
A battle, yes. In the end, though, only one team has this guy:
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f395/berknip/lebron.png)
And yet, no one here can cover the Dwightmare
(http://stk.dimemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/dwight-howard-37-2.jpg)
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Ricky Rubio/D.J. Augustin
Corey Brewer/Marshon Brooks
Melo
Blake Griffin/Big Baby
Kendrick Perkins/Mozgov
I'm curious: why is a Carmelo/Blake/Perk threesome better than Carmelo/Amare/Chandler?
On the real Knicks, Carmelo hogged the ball, and Amare couldn't operate effectively because Chandler was taking up a lot of his space.
I love the talent of your top four, but I'm curious why they'll do better than the real Knicks.
We will run Melo much like Pierce is ran like in Boston where at times he controls the ball. But rubio will control the rock and find Pierce off the ball. Blake and rubio will run the pick and Roll. Blake is a good passer out of the pick and roll to find melo off the ball. Thats all
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C:Al Horford/ Nick Collison
PF :LaMarcus Alridge/ Thomas Robinson
SF:Rudy Gay/ Carlos Delfino
SG: Tony Allen/ Carlos Delfino
PG: Kyle Lowry/ Devin Harris.
(http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/12/10/128733893677354594.jpg)
Second best team in the West.
I think there's the potential to be a real battle there.
A battle, yes. In the end, though, only one team has this guy:
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f395/berknip/lebron.png)
And yet, no one here can cover the Dwightmare
(http://stk.dimemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/dwight-howard-37-2.jpg)
You mean the crippled dude coming off back surgery who defers to Jameer Nelson for leadership duties?
Not scared.
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Ricky Rubio/D.J. Augustin
Corey Brewer/Marshon Brooks
Melo
Blake Griffin/Big Baby
Kendrick Perkins/Mozgov
Playoff team. Not a contender, though.
Why not a contender?
What Roy said. Pretty similar to the real life Knicks team. Except Chandler is better than Perk and Amare has a reliable jumpshot.
Plus - with Chicago and Boston out East, it's going to be tough to beat either team.
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C:Al Horford/ Nick Collison
PF :LaMarcus Alridge/ Thomas Robinson
SF:Rudy Gay/ Carlos Delfino
SG: Tony Allen/ Carlos Delfino
PG: Kyle Lowry/ Devin Harris.
(http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/12/10/128733893677354594.jpg)
Second best team in the West.
I think there's the potential to be a real battle there.
A battle, yes. In the end, though, only one team has this guy:
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And yet, no one here can cover the Dwightmare
(http://stk.dimemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/dwight-howard-37-2.jpg)
(http://www.gatorzone.com/basketball/men/images/bioimg2004/Noah_Joakim.jpg)
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Ricky Rubio/D.J. Augustin
Corey Brewer/Marshon Brooks
Melo
Blake Griffin/Big Baby
Kendrick Perkins/Mozgov
Playoff team. Not a contender, though.
Why not a contender?
What Roy said. Pretty similar to the real life Knicks team. Except Chandler is better than Perk and Amare has a reliable jumpshot.
Plus - with Chicago and Boston out East, it's going to be tough to beat either team.
While I agree this team is close to the present knicks team. BUT Blake is healthy, Amare hasn't been since they played us in 2011.. We have a true passing PG to allow Melo to get to his spots on the floor and go to work. Also Tommy T is a better coach and he will get this team to play D with his schemes. Also nice bench we put in. Big baby knows the system is one of the best charge takesrs in the league.
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11 man rotation
What needs to be added?
The Pacers
PG Rondo
SG Bradley
SF Batum
PF Scola
C Monroe
bench
PG Hinrich
SG Beal
SF/SG Pietrus
PF Landry
C/PF Kanter
C Kwame Brown
Coach : Danny Ainge
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11 man rotation
What needs to be added?
The Pacers
PG Rondo
SG Bradley
SF Batum
PF Scola
C Monroe
bench
PG Hinrich
SG Beal
SF/SG Pietrus
PF Landry
C/PF Kanter
C Kwame Brown
Coach : Danny Ainge
Extremely well-rounded and deep basketball team.
Solid team now, an even better team in 3 seasons.
If I were to nitpick, I'd say you'd need a little more scoring punch.
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11 man rotation
What needs to be added?
The Pacers
PG Rondo
SG Bradley
SF Batum
PF Scola
C Monroe
bench
PG Hinrich
SG Beal
SF/SG Pietrus
PF Landry
C/PF Kanter
C Kwame Brown
Coach : Danny Ainge
If I were you, I'd look to find a playmaking PG and a floor stretching big with your final two picks here. Everything else in place.
I really like your bench (Pietrus, Landry, Kwame and Beal) with the exception of Hinrich who I have soured on over the past year. Impressive depth.
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11 man rotation
What needs to be added?
The Pacers
PG Rondo
SG Bradley
SF Batum
PF Scola
C Monroe
bench
PG Hinrich
SG Beal
SF/SG Pietrus
PF Landry
C/PF Kanter
C Kwame Brown
Coach : Danny Ainge
If I were you, I'd look to find a playmaking PG and a floor stretching big with your final two picks here. Everything else in place.
I really like your bench (Pietrus, Landry, Kwame and Beal) with the exception of Hinrich who I have soured on over the past year. Impressive depth.
Hinrich fits what I need. A large PG that has defended smaller backup SF in the past. My SGs are not exactly big.
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Knicks willing to listen to all offers including our stars show me what ya got
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San Antonio through 9 rounds
Coach: Doc Rivers
C: Brook Lopez/ Ian Mahinmi
PF: Taj Gibson/ Drew Gooden
SF: Danny Green/ Alonzo Gee
SG: James Harden
PG: John Wall/ Ramon Sessions
Thoughts? Concerns? Questions?
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Knicks willing to listen to all offers including our stars show me what ya got
What Davis is in your sig?
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Knicks willing to listen to all offers including our stars show me what ya got
What Davis is in your sig?
Big Baby
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Knicks willing to listen to all offers including our stars show me what ya got
What Davis is in your sig?
Big Baby
You should def hit us with a 'BBD' instead.
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Truth, check your PMs, please.
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San Antonio through 9 rounds
Coach: Doc Rivers
C: Brook Lopez/ Ian Mahinmi
PF: Taj Gibson/ Drew Gooden
SF: Danny Green/ Alonzo Gee
SG: James Harden
PG: John Wall/ Ramon Sessions
Thoughts? Concerns? Questions?
Possibly a very good team a couple years from now, especially if Wall turns into an elite point guard which I think he unquestionably has the potential to do. But this team in the present is terribly missing some top level talent.
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Ricky Rubio/D.J. Augustin
Corey Brewer/Marshon Brooks
Melo
Blake Griffin/Big Baby
Kendrick Perkins/Mozgov
Playoff team. Not a contender, though.
Why not a contender?
What Roy said. Pretty similar to the real life Knicks team. Except Chandler is better than Perk and Amare has a reliable jumpshot.
Plus - with Chicago and Boston out East, it's going to be tough to beat either team.
While I agree this team is close to the present knicks team. BUT Blake is healthy, Amare hasn't been since they played us in 2011.. We have a true passing PG to allow Melo to get to his spots on the floor and go to work. Also Tommy T is a better coach and he will get this team to play D with his schemes. Also nice bench we put in. Big baby knows the system is one of the best charge takesrs in the league.
Jeremy Lin and Rubio are the same Melo will be the same he is going to hog the ball
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Okc thunder
pg Andre miller/ Chauncey Billups
Sg monta ellis/ Courtney lee
Sf Caron butler/ Stephen Jackson
Pf serge Ibaka/ Antawn Jamison
C. Marc gasol/ Chris kaman
Thoughts and suggestions would be appreciated thanks!
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Okc thunder
pg Andre miller/ Chauncey Billups
Sg monta ellis/ Courtney lee
Sf Caron butler/ Stephen Jackson
Pf serge Ibaka/ Antawn Jamison
C. Marc gasol/ Chris kaman
Thoughts and suggestions would be appreciated thanks!
Why have you decided to start Andre Miller over Chauncey Billups?
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Okc thunder
pg Andre miller/ Chauncey Billups
Sg monta ellis/ Courtney lee
Sf Caron butler/ Stephen Jackson
Pf serge Ibaka/ Antawn Jamison
C. Marc gasol/ Chris kaman
Thoughts and suggestions would be appreciated thanks!
It's a deep team, just not sure you have enough top end talent. Gasol is a nice second or third banana, but I'm not sure he can be the leader
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San Antonio through 9 rounds
Coach: Doc Rivers
C: Brook Lopez/ Ian Mahinmi
PF: Taj Gibson/ Drew Gooden
SF: Danny Green/ Alonzo Gee
SG: James Harden
PG: John Wall/ Ramon Sessions
Thoughts? Concerns? Questions?
I'm not sure that green is a starting quality sf. Your back court is real nice and I think if brook can get back on track you will really have something brewing
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11 man rotation
DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Tyreke Evans
Sixth Man: Kevin Martin
Bench:
Lou Williams
J.J. Redick
Steve Novak
Matt Bonner
DeJuan Blair
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11 man rotation
What needs to be added?
The Pacers
PG Rondo
SG Bradley
SF Batum
PF Scola
C Monroe
bench
PG Hinrich
SG Beal
SF/SG Pietrus
PF Landry
C/PF Kanter
C Kwame Brown
Coach : Danny Ainge
. I like this tmeam alotn, but the lack of shooting out of your backcourt is a concern to me, but they do bring other things to the table..
Really like the front court, but do you think when Monroe ans Batum reach their primes Scola will still be ale to contribut?
Overall a real solid team I would probably say 3-6 playoff seed, somewhere in there
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11 man rotation
DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Tyreke Evans
Sixth Man: Kevin Martin
Bench:
Lou Williams
J.J. Redick
Steve Novak
Matt Bonner
DeJuan Blair
I would start reddick and bring jr off the bench. Also, DL might be a more appropriate role for Kevin Martin. :). I had him on my fantasy team this year, dude killed me
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Ricky Rubio/D.J. Augustin
Corey Brewer/Marshon Brooks
Melo
Blake Griffin/Big Baby
Kendrick Perkins/Mozgov
Your sg position worries me. Also the lack of shooting from your big men worries me, I think you would be better off going small with
Rubio
Brooks
Brewer
Melo
Blake.
Melo is most effective as a pf IMO
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11 man rotation
DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Tyreke Evans
Sixth Man: Kevin Martin
Bench:
Lou Williams
J.J. Redick
Steve Novak
Matt Bonner
DeJuan Blair
I would start reddick and bring jr off the bench. Also, DL might be a more appropriate role for Kevin Martin. :). I had him on my fantasy team this year, dude killed me
if anything we will start martin, as our bench looks great since we have 3 elite shooters in there
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11 man rotation
DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Tyreke Evans
Sixth Man: Kevin Martin
Bench:
Lou Williams
J.J. Redick
Steve Novak
Matt Bonner
DeJuan Blair
I would start reddick and bring jr off the bench. Also, DL might be a more appropriate role for Kevin Martin. :). I had him on my fantasy team this year, dude killed me
if anything we will start martin, as our bench looks great since we have 3 elite shooters in there
I dunno, I have kinda fallen out of love with Martin, I think the only thing he does well now is get to the line
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Ricky Rubio/D.J. Augustin
Corey Brewer/Marshon Brooks
Melo
Blake Griffin/Big Baby
Kendrick Perkins/Mozgov
Your sg position worries me. Also the lack of shooting from your big men worries me, I think you would be better off going small with
Rubio
Brooks
Brewer
Melo
Blake.
Melo is most effective as a pf IMO
Good idea
Fire Thibs and hire D'Antoni. Go run and gun. That is your best team.
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C:Al Horford/ Nick Collison
PF :LaMarcus Alridge/ Thomas Robinson
SF:Rudy Gay/ Carlos Delfino
SG: Tony Allen/ Carlos Delfino
PG: Kyle Lowry/ Devin Harris
Likes: Frontline versatility as well as depth. There are no centers on this team, they've just got 3 legitimate PF/C's. Kyle Lowry in general. Defense in positions 1-5 among starters, and potential on the bench for defense. Athleticism in transition, probably better 1-5 than anyone in the league, and with the defense, lots of steals/blocks/long rebounds to start the break. Long Walks on the Beach. French Art House Cinema.
You forgot to say what's in it for the ladies.
I love this team, front court is probably the best in this league IMO. Just a little better than my own! Rudy gay and Lowry are nice players in this mix as well and tony Allen is a great guy here who can contribute without ever touching the ball. Not much to dislike about this team other than the GM'a
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11 man rotation
DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Tyreke Evans
Sixth Man: Kevin Martin
Bench:
Lou Williams
J.J. Redick
Steve Novak
Matt Bonner
DeJuan Blair
I would start reddick and bring jr off the bench. Also, DL might be a more appropriate role for Kevin Martin. :). I had him on my fantasy team this year, dude killed me
if anything we will start martin, as our bench looks great since we have 3 elite shooters in there
I dunno, I have kinda fallen out of love with Martin, I think the only thing he does well now is get to the line
do you think we have depth though?
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11 man rotation
DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Tyreke Evans
Sixth Man: Kevin Martin
Bench:
Lou Williams
J.J. Redick
Steve Novak
Matt Bonner
DeJuan Blair
I would start reddick and bring jr off the bench. Also, DL might be a more appropriate role for Kevin Martin. :). I had him on my fantasy team this year, dude killed me
if anything we will start martin, as our bench looks great since we have 3 elite shooters in there
I dunno, I have kinda fallen out of love with Martin, I think the only thing he does well now is get to the line
do you think we have depth though?
Yes
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Ricky Rubio/D.J. Augustin
Corey Brewer/Marshon Brooks
Melo
Blake Griffin/Big Baby
Kendrick Perkins/Mozgov
Your sg position worries me. Also the lack of shooting from your big men worries me, I think you would be better off going small with
If you do stick with this setup, you need a stronger jump-shooter at SG. Someone who is a very good shooter from distance. Who can help create some space for Rubio, Melo and Griffin to work with.
Corey Brewer creates more problems than solutions for your starting unit.
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11 man rotation
DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Tyreke Evans
Sixth Man: Kevin Martin
Bench:
Lou Williams
J.J. Redick
Steve Novak
Matt Bonner
DeJuan Blair
I would start reddick and bring jr off the bench. Also, DL might be a more appropriate role for Kevin Martin. :). I had him on my fantasy team this year, dude killed me
if anything we will start martin, as our bench looks great since we have 3 elite shooters in there
I dunno, I have kinda fallen out of love with Martin, I think the only thing he does well now is get to the line
do you think we have depth though?
Yes
With the game on the line what lineup do we go with? lol i like seeing what you reply with
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11 man rotation
DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Tyreke Evans
Sixth Man: Kevin Martin
Bench:
Lou Williams
J.J. Redick
Steve Novak
Matt Bonner
DeJuan Blair
I would start reddick and bring jr off the bench. Also, DL might be a more appropriate role for Kevin Martin. :). I had him on my fantasy team this year, dude killed me
if anything we will start martin, as our bench looks great since we have 3 elite shooters in there
I dunno, I have kinda fallen out of love with Martin, I think the only thing he does well now is get to the line
do you think we have depth though?
Yes
With the game on the line what lineup do we go with? lol i like seeing what you reply with
I would go to Pau
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11 man rotation
DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Tyreke Evans
Sixth Man: Kevin Martin
Bench:
Lou Williams
J.J. Redick
Steve Novak
Matt Bonner
DeJuan Blair
I would start reddick and bring jr off the bench. Also, DL might be a more appropriate role for Kevin Martin. :). I had him on my fantasy team this year, dude killed me
if anything we will start martin, as our bench looks great since we have 3 elite shooters in there
I dunno, I have kinda fallen out of love with Martin, I think the only thing he does well now is get to the line
do you think we have depth though?
Yes
With the game on the line what lineup do we go with? lol i like seeing what you reply with
I would go to Pau
is this a good lineup:
Lou Williams
J.J. Redick
Steve Novak
Pau Gasol
Matt Bonner
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11 man rotation
DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Tyreke Evans
Sixth Man: Kevin Martin
Bench:
Lou Williams
J.J. Redick
Steve Novak
Matt Bonner
DeJuan Blair
I would start reddick and bring jr off the bench. Also, DL might be a more appropriate role for Kevin Martin. :). I had him on my fantasy team this year, dude killed me
if anything we will start martin, as our bench looks great since we have 3 elite shooters in there
I dunno, I have kinda fallen out of love with Martin, I think the only thing he does well now is get to the line
do you think we have depth though?
Yes
With the game on the line what lineup do we go with? lol i like seeing what you reply with
I would go to Pau
is this a good lineup:
Lou Williams
J.J. Redick
Steve Novak
Pau Gasol
Matt Bonner
No. That many shooters is too easy to defend, since Bonner, Novak, and Redick can't credibly get to the hole.
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We've made some changes and additions since earlier today.
PG: Chris Paul/Luke Ridnour
SG: Wes Matthews/Landry Fields
SF: Danny Granger/Chase Budinger
PF: Nene/Michael Beasley/Amir Johnson
C: Spencer Hawes/Nene/Amir Johnson (emergency minutes)
Will look to add shooting, size, and strength tomorrow.
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11 man rotation
DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Tyreke Evans
Sixth Man: Kevin Martin
Bench:
Lou Williams
J.J. Redick
Steve Novak
Matt Bonner
DeJuan Blair
I would start reddick and bring jr off the bench. Also, DL might be a more appropriate role for Kevin Martin. :). I had him on my fantasy team this year, dude killed me
if anything we will start martin, as our bench looks great since we have 3 elite shooters in there
I dunno, I have kinda fallen out of love with Martin, I think the only thing he does well now is get to the line
do you think we have depth though?
Yes
With the game on the line what lineup do we go with? lol i like seeing what you reply with
I would go to Pau
is this a good lineup:
Lou Williams
J.J. Redick
Steve Novak
Pau Gasol
Matt Bonner
No. That many shooters is too easy to defend, since Bonner, Novak, and Redick can't credibly get to the hole.
And Novak and bonner are poor defenders
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We've made some changes and additions since earlier today.
PG: Chris Paul/Luke Ridnour
SG: Wes Matthews/Landry Fields
SF: Danny Granger/Chase Budinger
PF: Nene/Michael Beasley/Amir Johnson
C: Spencer Hawes/Nene/Amir Johnson (emergency minutes)
Will look to add shooting, size, and strength tomorrow.
I think the only thing I don't like about your team is beasley but he was the best talent available so it was the right move to take him. I just don't like him hana
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11 man rotation
DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Tyreke Evans
Sixth Man: Kevin Martin
Bench:
Lou Williams
J.J. Redick
Steve Novak
Matt Bonner
DeJuan Blair
I would start reddick and bring jr off the bench. Also, DL might be a more appropriate role for Kevin Martin. :). I had him on my fantasy team this year, dude killed me
if anything we will start martin, as our bench looks great since we have 3 elite shooters in there
I dunno, I have kinda fallen out of love with Martin, I think the only thing he does well now is get to the line
do you think we have depth though?
Yes
With the game on the line what lineup do we go with? lol i like seeing what you reply with
I would go to Pau
is this a good lineup:
Lou Williams
J.J. Redick
Steve Novak
Pau Gasol
Matt Bonner
No. That many shooters is too easy to defend, since Bonner, Novak, and Redick can't credibly get to the hole.
And Novak and bonner are poor defenders
thats why they arent starters
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Lake show is in the chat.
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We've made some changes and additions since earlier today.
PG: Chris Paul/Luke Ridnour
SG: Wes Matthews/Landry Fields
SF: Danny Granger/Chase Budinger
PF: Nene/Michael Beasley/Amir Johnson
C: Spencer Hawes/Nene/Amir Johnson (emergency minutes)
Will look to add shooting, size, and strength tomorrow.
I think the only thing I don't like about your team is beasley but he was the best talent available so it was the right move to take him. I just don't like him hana
I was surprised Detroit didn't take Al Harrington with that pick.
I thought Harrington would've fit in perfectly there. It was who I was expecting them to take. More of a mature game. More of a win-now player vs the more gifted but still developing Beasley.
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We've made some changes and additions since earlier today.
PG: Chris Paul/Luke Ridnour
SG: Wes Matthews/Landry Fields
SF: Danny Granger/Chase Budinger
PF: Nene/Michael Beasley/Amir Johnson
C: Spencer Hawes/Nene/Amir Johnson (emergency minutes)
Will look to add shooting, size, and strength tomorrow.
I think the only thing I don't like about your team is beasley but he was the best talent available so it was the right move to take him. I just don't like him hana
I was surprised Detroit didn't take Al Harrington with that pick.
I thought Harrington would've fit in perfectly there. It was who I was expecting them to take. More of a mature game. More of a win-now player vs the more gifted but still developing Beasley.
I think we came around on the thought of Harrington after the pick, when Harrington came off the boards. At the time, we were more into Beasley's offensive punch and upside.
Although, isn't Harrington now rehabbing a torn ligament or some other knee injury he sustained late last season?
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We've made some changes and additions since earlier today.
PG: Chris Paul/Luke Ridnour
SG: Wes Matthews/Landry Fields
SF: Danny Granger/Chase Budinger
PF: Nene/Michael Beasley/Amir Johnson
C: Spencer Hawes/Nene/Amir Johnson (emergency minutes)
Will look to add shooting, size, and strength tomorrow.
I think the only thing I don't like about your team is beasley but he was the best talent available so it was the right move to take him. I just don't like him hana
I was surprised Detroit didn't take Al Harrington with that pick.
I thought Harrington would've fit in perfectly there. It was who I was expecting them to take. More of a mature game. More of a win-now player vs the more gifted but still developing Beasley.
I think we came around on the thought of Harrington after the pick, when Harrington came off the boards. At the time, we were more into Beasley's offensive punch and upside.
Although, isn't Harrington now rehabbing a torn ligament or some other knee injury he sustained late last season?
you have a nice lineup
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Hawks
Pg: George hill
Sg:Kobe Bryant/grant hill
Sf: mbah a moute/grant hill
Pf:David west
C: Tim Duncan/ Sam dalembert
Got 3 picks tomorrow, gomna be a big day for the hawks
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you have a nice lineup
Thanks, ronaldo. TP.
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Although, isn't Harrington now rehabbing a torn ligament or some other knee injury he sustained late last season?
Just found this, Lucky. I had no idea myself. Sounds like, hopefully, he should be ok.
Al Harrington told Inside Hoops that after multiple surgeries and a staph infection, he's not going to be available for training camp, but should be ready for the start of the season.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/19627660/al-harrington-not-expected-to-be-ready-for-training-camp
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Although, isn't Harrington now rehabbing a torn ligament or some other knee injury he sustained late last season?
Just found this, Lucky. I had no idea myself. Sounds like, hopefully, he should be ok.
Al Harrington told Inside Hoops that after multiple surgeries and a staph infection, he's not going to be available for training camp, but should be ready for the start of the season.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/19627660/al-harrington-not-expected-to-be-ready-for-training-camp
I know he was playing on that torn meniscus during the playoffs. So hopefully it's not a serious injury and that he'll be back soon.
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Hawks
Pg: George hill
Sg:Kobe Bryant/grant hill
Sf: mbah a moute/grant hill
Pf:David west
C: Tim Duncan/ Sam dalembert
Got 3 picks tomorrow, gomna be a big day for the hawks
Great win now kind of team. Excited to see how you fill out the bench.
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Hawks
Pg: George hill
Sg:Kobe Bryant/grant hill
Sf: mbah a moute/grant hill
Pf:David west
C: Tim Duncan/ Sam dalembert
Got 3 picks tomorrow, gomna be a big day for the hawks
Nice 7-man rotation, Rondo. LRMAM can play the 4 for you at times, Grant can back up both wings. Maybe even play Duncan at the 4 next to Dalembert for big ball. Very versatile lineup.
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Although, isn't Harrington now rehabbing a torn ligament or some other knee injury he sustained late last season?
Just found this, Lucky. I had no idea myself. Sounds like, hopefully, he should be ok.
Al Harrington told Inside Hoops that after multiple surgeries and a staph infection, he's not going to be available for training camp, but should be ready for the start of the season.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/19627660/al-harrington-not-expected-to-be-ready-for-training-camp
Yikes, that sounds pretty bad. I had no idea Harrington was injured that badly. I just remembered him finishing out the season and playing in the playoffs. Playing badly (in the playoffs) but I didn't know this was why.
Bad news for whomever owns Harrington. Staph infection. Three surgeries (so far). Won't be able to train during the summer. Not a good beginning to next season for Harrington.
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Didn't know that about Harrington. Umm, er I mean that's why we didn't draft him. ;D
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Rubio/Augustin
Brewer/Brooks
Melo
Blake/BBD
Perk/Mozgov
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Rubio/Augustin
Brewer/Brooks
Melo
Blake/BBD
Perk/Mozgov
We have talked about this team alot
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Rubio/Augustin
Brewer/Brooks
Melo
Blake/BBD
Perk/Mozgov
We have talked about this team alot
Sorry forgot i put it in before.. Been running around today.
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11 man rotation
DeAndre Jordan
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Tyreke Evans
Sixth Man: Kevin Martin
Bench:
Lou Williams
J.J. Redick
Steve Novak
Matt Bonner
DeJuan Blair
I would start reddick and bring jr off the bench. Also, DL might be a more appropriate role for Kevin Martin. :). I had him on my fantasy team this year, dude killed me
if anything we will start martin, as our bench looks great since we have 3 elite shooters in there
I dunno, I have kinda fallen out of love with Martin, I think the only thing he does well now is get to the line
do you think we have depth though?
Yes
With the game on the line what lineup do we go with? lol i like seeing what you reply with
I would go to Pau
is this a good lineup:
Lou Williams
J.J. Redick
Steve Novak
Pau Gasol
Matt Bonner
No. That many shooters is too easy to defend, since Bonner, Novak, and Redick can't credibly get to the hole.
And Novak and bonner are poor defenders
thats why they arent starters
Depends who is defending gasol in the post in my opinion. Very few players he can't beat one on one in the post consistently.
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Boston Celtics
Starters:
C - Andrew Bynum
PF - Ersan Ilyasova
SF - Kevin Durant
SG - Jodie Meeks
PG - Jose Calderon
Bench:
PG - Jameer Nelson
SG - Jamal Crawford
SF - Ron Artest
PF - Udonis Haslem
C - Jordan Hill
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I like how my 2nd unit is looking so far. Any of these guys can easily start.
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Boston Celtics
Starters:
C - Andrew Bynum
PF - Ersan Ilyasova
SF - Kevin Durant
SG - Jodie Meeks
PG - Jose Calderon
Bench:
PG - Jameer Nelson
SG - Jamal Crawford
SF - Ron Artest
PF - Udonis Haslem
C - Jordan Hill
I dislike everyone on your perimeter aside from Durant and youre entire second unit aside from Jordan Hill on a personal level. It is like you went right out there and found players that over the years I've decided I just didn't like.
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Boston Celtics
Starters:
C - Andrew Bynum
PF - Ersan Ilyasova
SF - Kevin Durant
SG - Jodie Meeks
PG - Jose Calderon
Bench:
PG - Jameer Nelson
SG - Jamal Crawford
SF - Ron Artest
PF - Udonis Haslem
C - Jordan Hill
I dislike everyone on your perimeter aside from Durant and youre entire second unit aside from Jordan Hill on a personal level. It is like you went right out there and found players that over the years I've decided I just didn't like.
Lol maybe because the Celtics have in one or another had run ins with all these guys. All are from rival or division teams. Wasn't on purpose :)
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Boston Celtics
Starters:
C - Andrew Bynum
PF - Ersan Ilyasova
SF - Kevin Durant
SG - Jodie Meeks
PG - Jose Calderon
Bench:
PG - Jameer Nelson
SG - Jamal Crawford
SF - Ron Artest
PF - Udonis Haslem
C - Jordan Hill
I dislike everyone on your perimeter aside from Durant and youre entire second unit aside from Jordan Hill on a personal level. It is like you went right out there and found players that over the years I've decided I just didn't like.
LOL. Jordan Hill is OK, but yeah, I get what IP's saying.
What's Jodie Meeks about? I don't think I could pick him out of a lineup. Can Artest still cover 2's in the NBA?
Trade Jammer. He seems like an expensive (for lack of a better word) backup.
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I like how my 2nd unit is looking so far. Any of these guys can easily start.
Felton, Derozen, and Tristan Thompson.
First, I never ever will trust a man or woman named Tristan. Something is not right there, so he's out.
Second, Demar Derozen is a good backup 2 for you.
Third, Raymond Felton crossed the 'crappy' rubicon last year. He had ample chance to prove himself in Denver (didn't), the in PDX (didn't), by all reports got fat, but somehow went back to the Knicks. For me, he's a no hustle having fatty til we see otherwise, but I could understand why some might be optimistic. There isn't a former NYK guard out there with more to prove except Jeremy Lin.
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Jameer Nelson, a short, explosive, lightening quick point guard with balls of steel.
Except he's not quick or explosive anymore and that's screwing with his game something fierce. Sasha Fierce, in fact.
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Boston Celtics
Starters:
C - Andrew Bynum
PF - Ersan Ilyasova
SF - Kevin Durant
SG - Jodie Meeks
PG - Jose Calderon
Bench:
PG - Jameer Nelson
SG - Jamal Crawford
SF - Ron Artest
PF - Udonis Haslem
C - Jordan Hill
I dislike everyone on your perimeter aside from Durant and youre entire second unit aside from Jordan Hill on a personal level. It is like you went right out there and found players that over the years I've decided I just didn't like.
LOL. Jordan Hill is OK, but yeah, I get what IP's saying.
What's Jodie Meeks about? I don't think I could pick him out of a lineup. Can Artest still cover 2's in the NBA?
Trade Jammer. He seems like an expensive (for lack of a better word) backup.
Meeks skill set is a lot like a modern Ray Allen in my opinion. Spreads the floor. Great shooter. Not as good as Ray at shooting, but a better athlete right now and one on one defender. He will start but not sure he finishes close games. He can hit though. Wet from 3.
Give Hill time and you will dislike him also. He hasn't been a Laker long enough.
Artest is still one of the better defenders in the league. Few players can overpower him. But once IP got Pierce Artest moved up a fair amount on my board. He brings the intimidation factor and still garners All Defensive Team votes.
As for Jameer. I like the way he can play off Crawford and come in for Calderon (similar skill set) Worked well off Howard, think he can be cool 'Drew. Not afraid of big shots. as for his contract? I don't factor that into this game, but his new deal won't be a much higher average salary then what Courtney Lee is making for us. Like 6 mill to 5.25 mill. He was a good value at 8.19.
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I like how my 2nd unit is looking so far. Any of these guys can easily start.
Felton, Derozen, and Tristan Thompson.
First, I never ever will trust a man or woman named Tristan. Something is not right there, so he's out.
Second, Demar Derozen is a good backup 2 for you.
Third, Raymond Felton crossed the 'crappy' rubicon last year. He had ample chance to prove himself in Denver (didn't), the in PDX (didn't), by all reports got fat, but somehow went back to the Knicks. For me, he's a no hustle having fatty til we see otherwise, but I could understand why some might be optimistic. There isn't a former NYK guard out there with more to prove except Jeremy Lin.
First, you get a TP for correctly using PDX in a sentence.
Second, Felton + the land of marionberry scones, Hot Lips Pizza, and a gajillion craft breweries = rotundity with alacrity. There are airborne carbohydrates here.
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Ron Artest didn't lose a step, he lost an entire set of stairs. Pierce scoffs in his general direction!
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Jameer Nelson, a short, explosive, lightening quick point guard with balls of steel.
Except he's not quick or explosive anymore and that's screwing with his game something fierce. Sasha Fierce, in fact.
His PER and numbers are around where they have been outside of his All Star season in 2008-09. He had a solid first round series against Indiana. Was the only one who came to play in the game 5 elimination loss.
Also didn't help that Howard missed a lot of games and there was a lot of dysfunction in that locker room.
But he adds leadership and is a good locker room guy that will play his role. Run the second unit. He goes from being an above average starter to a very very good backup.
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Ron Artest didn't lose a step, he lost an entire set of stairs. Pierce scoffs in his general direction!
Lol I watched the 2010 finals. He was a big difference. Especially in game 7. But I will save the rest of my responses for the playoffs. ;)
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Ron Artest didn't lose a step, he lost an entire set of stairs. Pierce scoffs in his general direction!
Lol I watched the 2010 finals. He was a big difference. Especially in game 7. But I will save the rest of my responses for the playoffs. ;)
He was a difference maker then. It's been 2 full seasons and will be a third by the time Artest hits the playoffs. Sitting on the bench, unmotivated, Artest is gonna continue his rapid decline/ascent into terrible player/ best post game sound bite in basketball.
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rotundity with alacrity. There are airborne carbohydrates here.
Errawhaaa?
Boston Celtics[/move]
Starters:
C - Andrew Bynum
PF - Ersan Ilyasova
SF - Kevin Durant
SG - Jodie Meeks
PG - Jose Calderon
Bench:
PG - Jameer Nelson
SG - Jamal Crawford
SF - Ron Artest
PF - Udonis Haslem
C - Jordan Hill
Yeah man what's the deal with Jodie Meeks? He's not that quick. He's not that big. Yes he can be a knock down shooter when left alone, but he doesn't give you anything else. I think there are better options to be had via a minor trade or maybe even thru a pick.
I mean i don't HATE Jodie Meeks, but for a team as good as yours i feel like your doing a disservice to the rest of that unit with him as your starting two. Doug Collins only trusted him for 8 minutes a game in the playoffs, and that might have been a couple too many based off his numbers. Ok so i hate Jodie Meeks.
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And that Artest rant isn't about you, it's about Artest. I think he's wicked overrated at this point to the point of absurdity.
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Boston Celtics
Starters:
C - Andrew Bynum
PF - Ersan Ilyasova
SF - Kevin Durant
SG - Jodie Meeks
PG - Jose Calderon
Bench:
PG - Jameer Nelson
SG - Jamal Crawford
SF - Ron Artest/Rashard Lewis
PF - Udonis Haslem/Rashard Lewis
C - Jordan Hill
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Boston Celtics
Starters:
C - Andrew Bynum
PF - Ersan Ilyasova
SF - Kevin Durant
SG - Jodie Meeks
PG - Jose Calderon
Bench:
PG - Jameer Nelson
SG - Jamal Crawford
SF - Ron Artest/Rashard Lewis
PF - Udonis Haslem/Rashard Lewis
C - Jordan Hill
You have a great starting lineup with the exception of meeks and a average bench
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Can this knicks team be a top 4 team in the east?
Rubio/Augustin
Brooks/Brewer
Melo
Blake/BBD
Perks/Mozgov
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Jameer Nelson, a short, explosive, lightening quick point guard with balls of steel.
Except he's not quick or explosive anymore and that's screwing with his game something fierce. Sasha Fierce, in fact.
His PER and numbers are around where they have been outside of his All Star season in 2008-09. He had a solid first round series against Indiana. Was the only one who came to play in the game 5 elimination loss.
Also didn't help that Howard missed a lot of games and there was a lot of dysfunction in that locker room.
But he adds leadership and is a good locker room guy that will play his role. Run the second unit. He goes from being an above average starter to a very very good backup.
I like Nelson. He is what he is. Not quick nor explosive any more, but is steady, can knock down the 3, not a defensive liability (which is quite often at the PG position b/c of its difficulty to defend) and brings a veteran presence. I think he is very underappreciated on this blog.
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Can this knicks team be a top 4 team in the east?
Rubio/Augustin
Brooks/Brewer
Melo
Blake/BBD
Perks/Mozgov
Fantasy world yes realistically no. Blake and Perk hate each other and overall wont be a good combination, then you have melo who is going to be the same melo rubio is not going to change him, lin couldnt so rubio cant either and also rubio is coming back from an injury
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Highly doubt two players would hate eachother once the played with eachother.. Come on now.
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Through 10.
Lineup Projected Rotation
PG - Jeremy Lin / Jason Kidd / (Roy)
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy / (Kidd-Gilchritst)
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist / Harrison Barnes
PF - Kenneth Faried / (Drummond)
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Nothing changed really, except I started Rush over Roy.
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Highly doubt two players would hate eachother once the played with eachother.. Come on now.
Did you see when perk got posterized by Griffin? Lol
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Can this knicks team be a top 4 team in the east?
Rubio/Augustin
Brooks/Brewer
Melo
Blake/BBD
Perks/Mozgov
WeMadeIt,
I have seen over the last 8 pages of this thread that you have put your roster up looking for feedback 4 different times since noon today and you have not commented once on another team.
Other people want feedback on their team just as much as you'd like it on your team. To make this fun for everyone, I suggest following a couple rules of thumb:
1. Do not post your team roster for feedback more than once per day unless you make a major trade.
2. Make a minimum of 10 comments on other teams rosters between posting your own roster for feedback.
TP for being such an active GM though. That is certainly what is most important in this game! :)
p.s. Your team is looking good. I don't know who is in the East, so I can't decide on top 4 or not, but I'd guess you must be at least a playoff team.
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... i did, did you ever see this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypPX_MfxfG0
Or this??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zouJmzWswMs
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A PM I received today:
interested in tony parker willing to give
tyreke evans
12.2
12.6
13.10
What do you think guys? Should I take it?!?! ;)
Haha, I already busted him up for it, but thought I'd share for fun and also as a reminder to others that I'm not in the game and the team in my sig is my team from last year's draft that I'm just too darn proud of to delete.
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... i did, did you ever see this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypPX_MfxfG0
Or this??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zouJmzWswMs
Lol i love how kobe is in both of them either way griffin and perkins arent a good combination.
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A PM I received today:
interested in tony parker willing to give
tyreke evans
12.2
12.6
13.10
What do you think guys? Should I take it?!?! ;)
Haha, I already busted him up for it, but thought I'd share for fun and also as a reminder to others that I'm not in the game and the team in my sig is my team from last year's draft that I'm just too darn proud of to delete.
Take it lol :) what place did you come in last year and why arent you participating this year?
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A PM I received today:
interested in tony parker willing to give
tyreke evans
12.2
12.6
13.10
What do you think guys? Should I take it?!?! ;)
Haha, I already busted him up for it, but thought I'd share for fun and also as a reminder to others that I'm not in the game and the team in my sig is my team from last year's draft that I'm just too darn proud of to delete.
Take it lol :) what place did you come in last year and why arent you participating this year?
We came in ROBBED place last year. Ain't that right, SO?
Its too intense for me to be a GM haha and I didn't want to commit to it. I am having withdrawals though haha, so I'm going to get back in and co-GM next year with my cousin.
I also think this game greatly benefits from some outsider impartial perspective. I remember Who provided that last year and it really added a lot to the game. I saw that he was GMing this year, so thought I could attempt to fill 25% of his shoes.
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Action team up with Lucky, GC and I next year for the 4 man Dream Team. ;D
I'm thinking 1000 pms exchanged per day easy and tons of trades.
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Action team up with Lucky, GC and I next year for the 4 man Dream Team. ;D
I'm thinking 1000 pms exchanged per day easy and tons of trades.
Oh, yeah! The TPs will rain down.
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Rubio/Augustin
Brewer/Brooks
Melo
Blake/BBD
Perk/Mozgov
I think Perkins is holding you back from making the leap into the top 4. Mozgov isn't going to help address it either, I don't think. You need a above average help defender next to Blake, and need to get more athletic. In a perfect world, it's Ibaka, but he's likely outside your price range. But the template is the same; a very strong help defender and a guy who can make a 15 foot jumper.
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Action team up with Lucky, GC and I next year for the 4 man Dream Team. ;D
I'm thinking 1000 pms exchanged per day easy and tons of trades.
You guys are teaming up? But we need more players though? ;D
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We've made some changes and additions since earlier today.
PG: Chris Paul/Luke Ridnour
SG: Wes Matthews/Landry Fields
SF: Danny Granger/Chase Budinger
PF: Nene/Michael Beasley/Amir Johnson
C: Spencer Hawes/Nene/Amir Johnson (emergency minutes)
Will look to add shooting, size, and strength tomorrow.
How good is Spencer Hawes? That's the question I have to keep asking myself when trying to judge your team. How good is Spencer Hawes and how bad is Danny Granger?
We know Hawes can score, and can hit a jumper. But he's never fulfilled the promise he had in Sac, he doesn't seem to be very tough or a very good rebounder. Nene isn't an especially good rebounder either.
But then how much will the Chris Paul effect change Hawes and Granger's fortunes?
I don't have answers, but the only thing I'm sure of is that your team is very good.
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Action team up with Lucky, GC and I next year for the 4 man Dream Team. ;D
I'm thinking 1000 pms exchanged per day easy and tons of trades.
Dream team? Try...
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THE DUBS
The beginnings of a bench.
SG Manu Ginobili/ Delonte West
SG Klay Thompson
Point Forward Andre Iguodala
PF Anthony Davis
C Channing Frye/ Bismack Biyombo
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We've made some changes and additions since earlier today.
PG: Chris Paul/Luke Ridnour
SG: Wes Matthews/Landry Fields
SF: Danny Granger/Chase Budinger
PF: Nene/Michael Beasley/Amir Johnson
C: Spencer Hawes/Nene/Amir Johnson (emergency minutes)
Will look to add shooting, size, and strength tomorrow.
How good is Spencer Hawes? That's the question I have to keep asking myself when trying to judge your team. How good is Spencer Hawes and how bad is Danny Granger?
We know Hawes can score, and can hit a jumper. But he's never fulfilled the promise he had in Sac, he doesn't seem to be very tough or a very good rebounder. Nene isn't an especially good rebounder either.
But then how much will the Chris Paul effect change Hawes and Granger's fortunes?
I don't have answers, but the only thing I'm sure of is that your team is very good.
I think Chris Paul can make them all better while being a baller himself. Granger is a stud 3 point shooter and has 1. never had a guy like Paul to get him the ball and 2. never not been the focus of an entire defense to contain/shut down
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THE DUBS
The beginnings of a bench.
SG Manu Ginobili/ Delonte West
SG Klay Thompson
Point Forward Andre Iguodala
PF Anthony Davis
C Channing Frye/ Bismack Biyombo
Tell me about Anthony Davis. Like, compare him to a player of similar tendencies you think he'll match his rookie year on offense, and the same on defense. I've watched him in college, but even the best rookies have an acclimation period. Where is Anthony Davis's baseline, potential notwithstanding.
Also someone explain to me why notwithstanding is one word, and not 3.
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We've made some changes and additions since earlier today.
PG: Chris Paul/Luke Ridnour
SG: Wes Matthews/Landry Fields
SF: Danny Granger/Chase Budinger
PF: Nene/Michael Beasley/Amir Johnson
C: Spencer Hawes/Nene/Amir Johnson (emergency minutes)
Will look to add shooting, size, and strength tomorrow.
How good is Spencer Hawes? That's the question I have to keep asking myself when trying to judge your team. How good is Spencer Hawes and how bad is Danny Granger?
We know Hawes can score, and can hit a jumper. But he's never fulfilled the promise he had in Sac, he doesn't seem to be very tough or a very good rebounder. Nene isn't an especially good rebounder either.
But then how much will the Chris Paul effect change Hawes and Granger's fortunes?
I don't have answers, but the only thing I'm sure of is that your team is very good.
I think Chris Paul can make them all better while being a baller himself. Granger is a stud 3 point shooter and has 1. never had a guy like Paul to get him the ball and 2. never not been the focus of an entire defense to contain/shut down
You think shutting down Danny Granger is priority #1 still? I'm pretty sure he faced mostly single coverage last season, with 3 other double digit scorers around him at all times usually.
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We've made some changes and additions since earlier today.
PG: Chris Paul/Luke Ridnour
SG: Wes Matthews/Landry Fields
SF: Danny Granger/Chase Budinger
PF: Nene/Michael Beasley/Amir Johnson
C: Spencer Hawes/Nene/Amir Johnson (emergency minutes)
Will look to add shooting, size, and strength tomorrow.
I'm not enamored with Hawes and I'd personally prefer one low usage player in the starting five, either Fields or Johnson. But I can see Spencer's value as a floor spacer if Granger's shot isn't falling. I do expect the best point guard in the game to get good looks for Granger, Nene, Beasley, Budinger on down the line.
Excellent depth. Strong perimeter defense. Great size and length in the front court, but mediocre defense? How is the Pistons' rebounding rate?
Tip of the cap. I didn't like the returns on several of the your early trades but this might be the best team in the league.
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You think shutting down Danny Granger is priority #1 still? I'm pretty sure he faced mostly single coverage last season, with 3 other double digit scorers around him at all times usually.
That's my sense as well, though I haven't given it a hard look. Tough to think teams weren't living with Granger jumpers. His shooting was terrible.
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I think Chris Paul can make them all better while being a baller himself. Granger is a stud 3 point shooter and has 1. never had a guy like Paul to get him the ball and 2. never not been the focus of an entire defense to contain/shut down
You think shutting down Danny Granger is priority #1 still? I'm pretty sure he faced mostly single coverage last season, with 3 other double digit scorers around him at all times usually.
Note that I wrote "contain/shut down". I'd say every team has at least concerned themselves with containing Granger. I'd say containing/shutting down Granger is probably a top priority unless the team is absolutely weak defensively at PF or C. But that's definitely arguable.
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Houston Boxers
PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Stephen Curry
SF: Wilson Chandler
PF: Donatas Montiejunas
C: Marcin Gortat
Bench: Mario Chalmers, Jonas Jerebko, Jonas Valanciunas
Coach: Larry Brown
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I think Chris Paul can make them all better while being a baller himself. Granger is a stud 3 point shooter and has 1. never had a guy like Paul to get him the ball and 2. never not been the focus of an entire defense to contain/shut down
You think shutting down Danny Granger is priority #1 still? I'm pretty sure he faced mostly single coverage last season, with 3 other double digit scorers around him at all times usually.
Note that I wrote "contain/shut down". I'd say every team has at least concerned themselves with containing Granger. I'd say containing/shutting down Granger is probably a top priority unless the team is absolutely weak defensively at PF or C. But that's definitely arguable.
Well if that's the case, why has his production fallen off so significantly as he advances in his prime? He's not even 30 yet, is he? At 26 he really was the only show in town and looked like the stud you're saying he is.
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You think shutting down Danny Granger is priority #1 still? I'm pretty sure he faced mostly single coverage last season, with 3 other double digit scorers around him at all times usually.
That's my sense as well, though I haven't given it a hard look. Tough to think teams weren't living with Granger jumpers. His shooting was terrible.
His 3pt shooting was fine at 38%. I don't know why his overall fg% was so poor. Poor shot selection inside the arc I assume?
A good point to rebut my opinion would that this year he irrefutably would be less focused on this season than in years past, so why was his efficiency worse this season than in seasons past. I have no idea and it seems quite the opposite to what common sense would say.
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Well if that's the case, why has his production fallen off so significantly as he advances in his prime? He's not even 30 yet, is he? At 26 he really was the only show in town and looked like the stud you're saying he is.
Haha, we think alike ^^ TP
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Houston Boxers
PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Stephen Curry
SF: Wilson Chandler
PF: Donatas Montiejunas
C: Marcin Gortat
Bench: Mario Chalmers, Jonas Jerebko, Jonas Valanciunas
Coach: Larry Brown
Tell me more about the guy who plays power forward for you. How old is he? He's 7ft, but can he guard 4s?
Honestly I would've taken him if I didn't have your voice in my head saying 'he's not Tim Duncan, he can't play meaningful minutes on a contender.'
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Houston Boxers
PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Stephen Curry
SF: Wilson Chandler
PF: Donatas Montiejunas
C: Marcin Gortat
Bench: Mario Chalmers, Jonas Jerebko, Jonas Valanciunas
Coach: Larry Brown
Ah, so this is what things look like in Houston now.
I do like the Westbrook-Curry combo. I don't think position designations really matter much to these two. They can do most of the heavy lifting in the offense, with less pressure falling on Gortat.
You'll definitely need to draft well to add more to the bench beyond Supernintendo Chalmers and the Jonas Brothers. The PF rotation is a huge question mark. Could be good, could be not so good. A big defending guard would help; if he can also play the 3, even better.
Looking forward to seeing how the roster rounds out. Potential TOTF candidate?
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Houston Boxers
PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Stephen Curry
SF: Wilson Chandler
PF: Donatas Montiejunas
C: Marcin Gortat
Bench: Mario Chalmers, Jonas Jerebko, Jonas Valanciunas
Coach: Larry Brown
Honestly I would've taken him if I didn't have your voice in my head saying 'he's not Tim Duncan, he can't play meaningful minutes on a contender.'
That's why you wouldn't take him...but as currently constructed, the Boxers aren't a contender. So that's why I took him. He can play meaningful minutes on the Boxers.
Honestly, this year's draft only has 2 maybe 3 contending teams so he could play meaningful minutes on just about every team this year. ;D
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The Hawks
PG: George Hill/Jason Kidd
Sg: Kobe Bryant/Grant Hill
SF: Mbah A Moute/Grant Hill
PF: David West
C: Tim Duncan/ Sam Dalembert
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The Hawks
PG: George Hill/Jason Kidd
Sg: Kobe Bryant/Grant Hill
SF: Mbah A Moute/Grant Hill
PF: David West
C: Tim Duncan/ Sam Dalembert
PG: George Hill, Jason Kidd
SG: Kobe Bryant, (George Hill)
SF: Mbah A Moute, Grant Hill
PF: David West, (Mbah a Moute)
C: Tim Duncan, Sam Dalembert
Looks like your rotation is all set.
I love the George Hill, Jason Kidd and Kobe Bryant backcourt. They complement one another's games beautifully. A really terrific combination.
Only need to add third string (situational subs) now.
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PG: Tyreke Evans/Lou Williams/Greivis Vasquez
SG: Kevin Martin/J.R. Smith/J.J Redick
SF: Gerald Wallace/Steve Novak
PF: Pau Gasol/DeJuan Blair
C: Deandre Jordan/Matt Bonner
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Denver Nuggets:
C-KG/Zaza Pachulia
PF-Boozer/Mareese Speights
SF-Trevor Ariza/Kyle Korver
SG-O.J. Mayo/Gary Neal
PG-Mike Conley/Nate Robinson
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The Hawks
PG: George Hill/Jason Kidd
Sg: Kobe Bryant/Grant Hill
SF: Mbah A Moute/Grant Hill
PF: David West
C: Tim Duncan/ Sam Dalembert
This is a really good squad.
Definitely one to reckon with come playoff time when the game slows down.
On paper, easily a top-3 slow tempo, half-court team.
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The Hawks
PG: George Hill/Jason Kidd
Sg: Kobe Bryant/Grant Hill
SF: Mbah A Moute/Grant Hill
PF: David West
C: Tim Duncan/ Sam Dalembert
This is a really good squad.
Definitely one to reckon with come playoff time when the game slows down.
On paper, easily a top-3 slow tempo, half-court team.
Thank you sir, thats exactly what I was going for. Every year I try to find what is undervalued. This year it was old farts with one good run left in them
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The Hawks
PG: George Hill/Jason Kidd
Sg: Kobe Bryant/Grant Hill
SF: Mbah A Moute/Grant Hill
PF: David West
C: Tim Duncan/ Sam Dalembert
Ugh, that Jason Kidd acquisition makes you even stronger.
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The Hawks
PG: George Hill/Jason Kidd
Sg: Kobe Bryant/Grant Hill
SF: Mbah A Moute/Grant Hill
PF: David West
C: Tim Duncan/ Sam Dalembert
This is a really good squad.
Definitely one to reckon with come playoff time when the game slows down.
On paper, easily a top-3 slow tempo, half-court team.
Thank you sir, thats exactly what I was going for. Every year I try to find what is undervalued. This year it was old farts with one good run left in them
i think one of us is going to win the division
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I think the Southeast division has a clear winner.
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I think the Southeast division has a clear winner.
I agree.
East playoffs are going to be especially interesting to watch. Some high quality teams there.
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The Hawks
PG: George Hill/Jason Kidd
Sg: Kobe Bryant/Grant Hill
SF: Mbah A Moute/Grant Hill
PF: David West
C: Tim Duncan/ Sam Dalembert
This is a really good squad.
Definitely one to reckon with come playoff time when the game slows down.
On paper, easily a top-3 slow tempo, half-court team.
Thank you sir, thats exactly what I was going for. Every year I try to find what is undervalued. This year it was old farts with one good run left in them
i think one of us is going to win the division
I don't think we are in the same division...
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The Hawks
PG: George Hill/Jason Kidd
Sg: Kobe Bryant/Grant Hill
SF: Mbah A Moute/Grant Hill
PF: David West
C: Tim Duncan/ Sam Dalembert
This is a really good squad.
Definitely one to reckon with come playoff time when the game slows down.
On paper, easily a top-3 slow tempo, half-court team.
Thank you sir, thats exactly what I was going for. Every year I try to find what is undervalued. This year it was old farts with one good run left in them
i think one of us is going to win the division
I don't think we are in the same division...
Washington is in the Southeast division, no?
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I think the Southeast division has a clear winner.
I think my magic squad could hang with this team:
PG:Teague/Mo Williams
Sg:Thorton/Henderson
SF:Deng/ Marvin Williams
PF:Amare/Odom
C:Magee/Mullens
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The Hawks
PG: George Hill/Jason Kidd
Sg: Kobe Bryant/Grant Hill
SF: Mbah A Moute/Grant Hill
PF: David West
C: Tim Duncan/ Sam Dalembert
This is a really good squad.
Definitely one to reckon with come playoff time when the game slows down.
On paper, easily a top-3 slow tempo, half-court team.
Thank you sir, thats exactly what I was going for. Every year I try to find what is undervalued. This year it was old farts with one good run left in them
i think one of us is going to win the division
I don't think we are in the same division...
Washington is in the Southeast division, no?
Whoops, got him confused with the knicks
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I think the Southeast division has a clear winner.
I think my magic squad could hang with this team:
PG:Teague/Mo Williams
Sg:Thorton/Henderson
SF:Deng/Williams
PF:Amare/Odom
C:Magee/Mullens
I think Atlanta has this division on lock, to be honest. You can't put up that team up against the likes of Kobe and Duncan. A duo of Kobe and Duncan will give you 50+ wins no matter how old they are.
I don't think your squad can match their win totals.
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I think the Southeast division has a clear winner.
I think my magic squad could hang with this team:
PG:Teague/Mo Williams
Sg:Thorton/Henderson
SF:Deng/Williams
PF:Amare/Odom
C:Magee/Mullens
I think Atlanta has this division on lock, to be honest. You can't put up that team up against the likes of Kobe and Duncan. A duo of Kobe and Duncan will give you 50+ wins no matter how old they are.
I don't think your squad can match their win totals.
To be honest their bench is old and their starters are old. I dont think Duncan and Kobe can play 40 plus minutes a night. They might win the division but I think their lack of depth on the bench will hurt them.
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I think the Southeast division has a clear winner.
I think my magic squad could hang with this team:
PG:Teague/Mo Williams
Sg:Thorton/Henderson
SF:Deng/Williams
PF:Amare/Odom
C:Magee/Mullens
I think Atlanta has this division on lock, to be honest. You can't put up that team up against the likes of Kobe and Duncan. A duo of Kobe and Duncan will give you 50+ wins no matter how old they are.
I don't think your squad can match their win totals.
To be honest their bench is old and their starters are old. I dont think Duncan and Kobe can play 40 plus minutes a night. They might win the division but I think their lack of depth on the bench will hurt them.
I agree. Come playoff time, younger teams like Chicago and Boston will be too much for the old-mighty Hawks. But if we're talking regular season, they will rack up wins. And they will win the division.
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Tyreke Evans George Hill
Kevin Martin Kobe Bryant
Gerald Wallace Luc Mbah A Moute
Pau Gasol David West
DeAndre Jordan Tim Duncan
Bench:
Lou Williams Jason Kidd
Greivis Vasquez Grant Hill
J.J. Redick Lavoy Allen
J.R. Smith Samuel Dalembert
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
Matt Bonner
I wouldnt say they clearly win the division as we have a team with depth so we will rack 50+ wins while they have an old team and old team will do bad in back to backs
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Tyreke Evans George Hill
Kevin Martin Kobe Bryant
Gerald Wallace Luc Mbah A Moute
Pau Gasol David West
DeAndre Jordan Tim Duncan
Bench:
Lou Williams Jason Kidd
Greivis Vasquez Grant Hill
J.J. Redick Lavoy Allen
J.R. Smith Samuel Dalembert
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
Matt Bonner
I wouldnt say they clearly win the division as we have a team with depth so we will rack 50+ wins while they have an old team and old team will do bad in back to backs
I don't know, man... just don't see a Pau Gasol led team winning 50+ games. 40-45 range seems fair with your team.
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Tyreke Evans George Hill
Kevin Martin Kobe Bryant
Gerald Wallace Luc Mbah A Moute
Pau Gasol David West
DeAndre Jordan Tim Duncan
Bench:
Lou Williams Jason Kidd
Greivis Vasquez Grant Hill
J.J. Redick Lavoy Allen
J.R. Smith Samuel Dalembert
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
Matt Bonner
I wouldnt say they clearly win the division as we have a team with depth so we will rack 50+ wins while they have an old team and old team will do bad in back to backs
I don't know, man... just don't see a Pau Gasol led team winning 50+ games. 40-45 range seems fair with your team.
we have scorers though in wallace williams evans smith and martin we have 3 elite shooter in bonner redick and novak
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I think the Southeast division has a clear winner.
I think my magic squad could hang with this team:
PG:Teague/Mo Williams
Sg:Thorton/Henderson
SF:Deng/Williams
PF:Amare/Odom
C:Magee/Mullens
I think Atlanta has this division on lock, to be honest. You can't put up that team up against the likes of Kobe and Duncan. A duo of Kobe and Duncan will give you 50+ wins no matter how old they are.
I don't think your squad can match their win totals.
To be honest their bench is old and their starters are old. I dont think Duncan and Kobe can play 40 plus minutes a night. They might win the division but I think their lack of depth on the bench will hurt them.
I agree. Come playoff time, younger teams like Chicago and Boston will be too much for the old-mighty Hawks. But if we're talking regular season, they will rack up wins. And they will win the division.
See I actually think the opposite. I will manage my teams minutes during the regular season so that they are rested for the playoffs. I mean untill the Thunder turned the table on the spurs a duncan lead team had won 10 straight games in the playoffs.
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I think the Southeast division has a clear winner.
I think my magic squad could hang with this team:
PG:Teague/Mo Williams
Sg:Thorton/Henderson
SF:Deng/Williams
PF:Amare/Odom
C:Magee/Mullens
I think Atlanta has this division on lock, to be honest. You can't put up that team up against the likes of Kobe and Duncan. A duo of Kobe and Duncan will give you 50+ wins no matter how old they are.
I don't think your squad can match their win totals.
To be honest their bench is old and their starters are old. I dont think Duncan and Kobe can play 40 plus minutes a night. They might win the division but I think their lack of depth on the bench will hurt them.
I agree. Come playoff time, younger teams like Chicago and Boston will be too much for the old-mighty Hawks. But if we're talking regular season, they will rack up wins. And they will win the division.
See I actually think the opposite. I will manage my teams minutes during the regular season so that they are rested for the playoffs. I mean untill the Thunder turned the table on the spurs a duncan lead team had won 10 straight games in the playoffs.
Tony Parker led that Spurs team. I think Duncan is a 2nd-3rd option on offense at this point in his career. Just think Boston's duo of Durant-Bynum will be tough for any team to beat.
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Tyreke Evans George Hill
Kevin Martin Kobe Bryant
Gerald Wallace Luc Mbah A Moute
Pau Gasol David West
DeAndre Jordan Tim Duncan
Bench:
Lou Williams Jason Kidd
Greivis Vasquez Grant Hill
J.J. Redick Lavoy Allen
J.R. Smith Samuel Dalembert
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
Matt Bonner
I wouldnt say they clearly win the division as we have a team with depth so we will rack 50+ wins while they have an old team and old team will do bad in back to backs
I don't know, man... just don't see a Pau Gasol led team winning 50+ games. 40-45 range seems fair with your team.
we have scorers though in wallace williams evans smith and martin we have 3 elite shooter in bonner redick and novak
Bonner and Novak are very poor defenders if they were out there they would get abused by my front court. Also Wallace had a real tough time shooting the ball last year, Martin had a really hard time seeing the court last year, and Evans has never been part of a high caliber team.
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I think the Southeast division has a clear winner.
I think my magic squad could hang with this team:
PG:Teague/Mo Williams
Sg:Thorton/Henderson
SF:Deng/Williams
PF:Amare/Odom
C:Magee/Mullens
I think Atlanta has this division on lock, to be honest. You can't put up that team up against the likes of Kobe and Duncan. A duo of Kobe and Duncan will give you 50+ wins no matter how old they are.
I don't think your squad can match their win totals.
To be honest their bench is old and their starters are old. I dont think Duncan and Kobe can play 40 plus minutes a night. They might win the division but I think their lack of depth on the bench will hurt them.
I agree. Come playoff time, younger teams like Chicago and Boston will be too much for the old-mighty Hawks. But if we're talking regular season, they will rack up wins. And they will win the division.
See I actually think the opposite. I will manage my teams minutes during the regular season so that they are rested for the playoffs. I mean untill the Thunder turned the table on the spurs a duncan lead team had won 10 straight games in the playoffs.
Tony Parker led that Spurs team. I think Duncan is a 2nd-3rd option on offense at this point in his career. Just think Boston's duo of Durant-Bynum will be tough for any team to beat.
I agree and Duncan is the 2nd or 3rd choice here too, Kobe is 33, David west is only 31 Duncan is 36. In Comparison, Pierce is 34, Ray is 37 and KG is 36. The Hawks are no where near as old as the celtics were last year yet we were all pretty happy with how they ended up doing come playoff time and we are looking forward to seeing what they can do this year.
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Varejao / Lopez / Joel Anthony P.S. big men worst nightmare
Lebron / Brand
Green / Dunleavy
Sefolosha / Gordon
Irving
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Team is in the sig. How could I improve this team?
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Varejao / Lopez / Joel Anthony P.S. big men worst nightmare
Lebron / Brand
Green / Dunleavy
Sefolosha / Gordon
Irving
Green and AV are pretty big question marks. I hope green is a postive because we really need him to be, but AV and Bogut have been cut from the same cloth the last couple of seasons
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Varejao / Lopez / Joel Anthony P.S. big men worst nightmare
Lebron / Brand
Green / Dunleavy
Sefolosha / Gordon
Irving
Green and AV are pretty big question marks. I hope green is a postive because we really need him to be, but AV and Bogut have been cut from the same cloth the last couple of seasons
Are you watching the Olympics
Varejao is pretty much in perfect shape
This team can play LeBron, Thabo and Dunleavy in Greens position all are starters and pretty good ones. so NP if hes up to a slow start... ;)
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Tyreke Evans George Hill
Kevin Martin Kobe Bryant
Gerald Wallace Luc Mbah A Moute
Pau Gasol David West
DeAndre Jordan Tim Duncan
Bench:
Lou Williams Jason Kidd
Greivis Vasquez Grant Hill
J.J. Redick Lavoy Allen
J.R. Smith Samuel Dalembert
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
Matt Bonner
I wouldnt say they clearly win the division as we have a team with depth so we will rack 50+ wins while they have an old team and old team will do bad in back to backs
I don't know, man... just don't see a Pau Gasol led team winning 50+ games. 40-45 range seems fair with your team.
we have scorers though in wallace williams evans smith and martin we have 3 elite shooter in bonner redick and novak
Bonner and Novak are very poor defenders if they were out there they would get abused by my front court. Also Wallace had a real tough time shooting the ball last year, Martin had a really hard time seeing the court last year, and Evans has never been part of a high caliber team.
Lol i find that funny Mbah A Moute wouldnt abuse Novak ill tell you that and Bonner wont have to play against you guys
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Team is in the sig. How could I improve this team?
Invent a time machine, set it to next year, collect your crown
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Varejao / Lopez / Joel Anthony P.S. big men worst nightmare
Lebron / Brand
Green / Dunleavy
Sefolosha / Gordon
Irving
Green and AV are pretty big question marks. I hope green is a postive because we really need him to be, but AV and Bogut have been cut from the same cloth the last couple of seasons
Are you watching the Olympics
Varejao is pretty much in perfect shape
This team can play LeBron, Thabo and Dunleavy in Greens position all are starters and pretty good ones. so NP if hes up to a slow start... ;)
He was in perfect shape to start each of the last two seasons too and then couldnt play over 30 games.
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Tyreke Evans George Hill
Kevin Martin Kobe Bryant
Gerald Wallace Luc Mbah A Moute
Pau Gasol David West
DeAndre Jordan Tim Duncan
Bench:
Lou Williams Jason Kidd
Greivis Vasquez Grant Hill
J.J. Redick Lavoy Allen
J.R. Smith Samuel Dalembert
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
Matt Bonner
I wouldnt say they clearly win the division as we have a team with depth so we will rack 50+ wins while they have an old team and old team will do bad in back to backs
I don't know, man... just don't see a Pau Gasol led team winning 50+ games. 40-45 range seems fair with your team.
we have scorers though in wallace williams evans smith and martin we have 3 elite shooter in bonner redick and novak
Bonner and Novak are very poor defenders if they were out there they would get abused by my front court. Also Wallace had a real tough time shooting the ball last year, Martin had a really hard time seeing the court last year, and Evans has never been part of a high caliber team.
Lol i find that funny Mbah A Moute wouldnt abuse Novak ill tell you that and Bonner wont have to play against you guys
Yes thats true he wouldnt abuse novak I thought you would be playing novak as a stetch 4. But ya i'll take Mbah Moute on Novak all day long.
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Tyreke Evans George Hill
Kevin Martin Kobe Bryant
Gerald Wallace Luc Mbah A Moute
Pau Gasol David West
DeAndre Jordan Tim Duncan
Bench:
Lou Williams Jason Kidd
Greivis Vasquez Grant Hill
J.J. Redick Lavoy Allen
J.R. Smith Samuel Dalembert
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
Matt Bonner
I wouldnt say they clearly win the division as we have a team with depth so we will rack 50+ wins while they have an old team and old team will do bad in back to backs
I don't know, man... just don't see a Pau Gasol led team winning 50+ games. 40-45 range seems fair with your team.
we have scorers though in wallace williams evans smith and martin we have 3 elite shooter in bonner redick and novak
Bonner and Novak are very poor defenders if they were out there they would get abused by my front court. Also Wallace had a real tough time shooting the ball last year, Martin had a really hard time seeing the court last year, and Evans has never been part of a high caliber team.
Evans>Hill
Martin<Kobe
Wallace> Mbah A Moute
Gasol>West
DeAndre Jordan<Tim Duncan
Our Bench> Your Bench
Novak> Mbah A Moute
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Tyreke Evans George Hill
Kevin Martin Kobe Bryant
Gerald Wallace Luc Mbah A Moute
Pau Gasol David West
DeAndre Jordan Tim Duncan
Bench:
Lou Williams Jason Kidd
Greivis Vasquez Grant Hill
J.J. Redick Lavoy Allen
J.R. Smith Samuel Dalembert
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
Matt Bonner
I wouldnt say they clearly win the division as we have a team with depth so we will rack 50+ wins while they have an old team and old team will do bad in back to backs
You've got 3 major problems:
1) You don't have a starting caliber point guard.
2) Your 3 most talented players (Tyreke, Crash, Gasol) won't fit well together without real spacers around them, and the floor spacers you have are incredibly flawed.
3) Personally, I don't think DeAndre Jordan is that good, and he's gonna hold you back. he's a good help defender, but a complete loss on offense unless Chris Paul is lobbing him alley-oops. On top of that, he's not an especially gifted man-on defender against better centers.
I think step one towards embracing Pau Gasol is starting him at the 5, and putting Gerald Wallace next to him.
You're gonna want your starting 5 to look like this:
Lou Williams/Vasquez
Tyreke Evans/Kevin Martin
Steve Novak/JR Smith
Crash Wallace/Dajuan Blair
Pau Gasol/DeAndre Jordan
At least I think its a step in the right direction.
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Tyreke Evans George Hill
Kevin Martin Kobe Bryant
Gerald Wallace Luc Mbah A Moute
Pau Gasol David West
DeAndre Jordan Tim Duncan
Bench:
Lou Williams Jason Kidd
Greivis Vasquez Grant Hill
J.J. Redick Lavoy Allen
J.R. Smith Samuel Dalembert
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
Matt Bonner
I wouldnt say they clearly win the division as we have a team with depth so we will rack 50+ wins while they have an old team and old team will do bad in back to backs
You've got 3 major problems:
1) You don't have a starting caliber point guard.
2) Your 3 most talented players (Tyreke, Crash, Gasol) won't fit well together without real spacers around them, and the floor spacers you have are incredibly flawed.
3) Personally, I don't think DeAndre Jordan is that good, and he's gonna hold you back. he's a good help defender, but a complete loss on offense unless Chris Paul is lobbing him alley-oops. On top of that, he's not an especially gifted man-on defender against better centers.
I think step one towards embracing Pau Gasol is starting him at the 5, and putting Gerald Wallace next to him.
You're gonna want your starting 5 to look like this:
Lou Williams/Vasquez
Tyreke Evans/Kevin Martin
Steve Novak/JR Smith
Crash Wallace/Dajuan Blair
Pau Gasol/DeAndre Jordan
At least I think its a step in the right direction.
that is actually quite a nice starting lineup especially since Wallace can rebound and you are just mad that we took vasquez :P
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Evans>Hill
Martin<Kobe
Wallace> Mbah A Moute
Gasol>West
DeAndre Jordan<Tim Duncan
Our Bench> Your Bench
Novak> Mbah A Moute
I detest this type of analysis
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Evans>Hill
Martin<Kobe
Wallace> Mbah A Moute
Gasol>West
DeAndre Jordan<Tim Duncan
Our Bench> Your Bench
Novak> Mbah A Moute
I detest this type of analysis
Same, they could be better individually but if they don't play well together, forget it. Washington has talent, just very bad fit.
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Evans>Hill
Martin<Kobe
Wallace> Mbah A Moute
Gasol>West
DeAndre Jordan<Tim Duncan
Our Bench> Your Bench
Novak> Mbah A Moute
I detest this type of analysis
Meh its alright we all know it doesnt really mean anything.
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Varejao / Lopez / Joel Anthony P.S. big men worst nightmare
Lebron / Brand
Green / Dunleavy
Sefolosha / Gordon
Irving
You're going to slot the games best 3 in at the 4? Believe the guy that started Garnett at the 5, it's going to hurt you on votes.
Otherwise a strong team, reminiscent of the Cavs.
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Evans>Hill
Martin<Kobe
Wallace> Mbah A Moute
Gasol>West
DeAndre Jordan<Tim Duncan
Our Bench> Your Bench
Novak> Mbah A Moute
I detest this type of analysis
this type of analysis < other types of analysis
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Varejao / Lopez / Joel Anthony P.S. big men worst nightmare
Lebron / Brand
Green / Dunleavy
Sefolosha / Gordon
Irving
You're going to slot the games best 3 in at the 4? Believe the guy that started Garnett at the 5, it's going to hurt you on votes.
Otherwise a strong team, reminiscent of the Cavs.
Well, that was the kindest thing Wiggle ever said to us, so we'll take it.
This team is much, much better than any team Lebron was on with the Cavs, though. Also, Lebron played 24% of the Heat's minutes at PF last year, and he put up a redunkulous 37.1 PER. He outrebounded opposing PFs, he outshot them by over ten percentage points, and he outscored them by more than double.
Much like Larry Bird before him, Lebron James is the best PF in the NBA. He just happens to play most of his time at SF.
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You're gonna want your starting 5 to look like this:
Lou Williams/Vasquez
Tyreke Evans/Kevin Martin
Steve Novak/JR Smith
Crash Wallace/Dajuan Blair
Pau Gasol/DeAndre Jordan
At least I think its a step in the right direction.
Terrible advice or great gamesmanship? The length of Gasol and Jordan is going to give other team's fits. And Jordan's role as a cutter and clean up man lets Gasol work on the block. Mike Brown's questionable offensive sets pushed Pau out to the perimeter too often because he couldn't figure out more effective ways to make space for Bynum.
Novak doesn't belong in an NBA starting line-up and while Martin is coming off a tough campaign, he's a first round talent. Keep in mind this is a guy who in 10-11 posted a 60% TS% as a fist option on offense. That's phenomenal. To put it in perspective, it's something that Lebron has never done.
Yes, your offense would run smoother if you could move either Evans or Crash for a high calibre point guard but starting...
PG Tyreke Evans
SG Kevin Martin
SF Gerald Wallace
PF Pau Gasol
C DeAndre Jordan
still gives the Wizards a better starting five than the Bulls or Hawks.
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Are you arguing that a wrist injury is a chronic condition? Is there any player in the history of the NBA that was repeatedly hampered by severe wrist injuries?
This isn't a knee we're talking about.
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You're gonna want your starting 5 to look like this:
Lou Williams/Vasquez
Tyreke Evans/Kevin Martin
Steve Novak/JR Smith
Crash Wallace/Dajuan Blair
Pau Gasol/DeAndre Jordan
At least I think its a step in the right direction.
Terrible advice or great gamesmanship? The length of Gasol and Jordan is going to give other team's fits. And Jordan's role as a cutter and clean up man let's Gasol work on the block. Mike Brown's questionable offense sets pushed Pau out to the perimeter too often because he couldn't figure out more effective ways to make space for Bynum.
Novak doesn't belong in an NBA starting line-up and while Martin is coming off a tough campaign, he's a first round talent. Keep in mind this is a guy who in 10-11 posted a 60% TS% as a fist option on offense. That's phenomenal. To put it in perspective, it's something that Lebron has never done.
Yes, you're offense would probably run smoother if you could move either Evans or Crash for a high calibre point guard but starting
PG Tyreke Evans
SG Kevin Martin
SF Gerald Wallace
PF Pau Gasol
C DeAndre Jordan
Still gives the Wizards a better starting five than the Bulls or Hawks.
I hate the Evans / Martin back court -- it's talented, but very poor in terms of fit and chemistry -- but I prefer Wiggle's lineup to IP's.
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You're gonna want your starting 5 to look like this:
Lou Williams/Vasquez
Tyreke Evans/Kevin Martin
Steve Novak/JR Smith
Crash Wallace/Dajuan Blair
Pau Gasol/DeAndre Jordan
At least I think its a step in the right direction.
Terrible advice or great gamesmanship? The length of Gasol and Jordan is going to give other team's fits. And Jordan's role as a cutter and clean up man let's Gasol work on the block. Mike Brown's questionable offense sets pushed Pau out to the perimeter too often because he couldn't figure out more effective ways to make space for Bynum.
Novak doesn't belong in an NBA starting line-up and while Martin is coming off a tough campaign, he's a first round talent. Keep in mind this is a guy who in 10-11 posted a 60% TS% as a fist option on offense. That's phenomenal. To put it in perspective, it's something that Lebron has never done.
Yes, you're offense would probably run smoother if you could move either Evans or Crash for a high calibre point guard but starting
PG Tyreke Evans
SG Kevin Martin
SF Gerald Wallace
PF Pau Gasol
C DeAndre Jordan
Still gives the Wizards a better starting five than the Bulls or Hawks.
I hate the Evans / Martin back court -- it's talented, but very poor in terms of fit and chemistry -- but I prefer Wiggle's lineup to IP's.
lets just remember that the evans and martin lineup didnt work when evans was a rookie and the kings wanted to make him their main player
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You're gonna want your starting 5 to look like this:
Lou Williams/Vasquez
Tyreke Evans/Kevin Martin
Steve Novak/JR Smith
Crash Wallace/Dajuan Blair
Pau Gasol/DeAndre Jordan
At least I think its a step in the right direction.
Terrible advice or great gamesmanship? The length of Gasol and Jordan is going to give other team's fits. And Jordan's role as a cutter and clean up man let's Gasol work on the block. Mike Brown's questionable offense sets pushed Pau out to the perimeter too often because he couldn't figure out more effective ways to make space for Bynum.
Novak doesn't belong in an NBA starting line-up and while Martin is coming off a tough campaign, he's a first round talent. Keep in mind this is a guy who in 10-11 posted a 60% TS% as a fist option on offense. That's phenomenal. To put it in perspective, it's something that Lebron has never done.
Yes, you're offense would probably run smoother if you could move either Evans or Crash for a high calibre point guard but starting
PG Tyreke Evans
SG Kevin Martin
SF Gerald Wallace
PF Pau Gasol
C DeAndre Jordan
Still gives the Wizards a better starting five than the Bulls or Hawks.
You have to start Gasol and Jordan. I think you need to look into a Big man who can shoot though and could play beside either Jordan or Gasol. I don't think that guy is Blair or Wallace.
Gasol is better at PF but he needs to place close to the basket. I like Wallace at the three because playing him at the 4 and Gasol at the 5 just doesn't give you a lot of interior defense.
Tyreke and Lou Williams is a chemistry disaster. I think you really need to acquire a pure PG.
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You're gonna want your starting 5 to look like this:
Lou Williams/Vasquez
Tyreke Evans/Kevin Martin
Steve Novak/JR Smith
Crash Wallace/Dajuan Blair
Pau Gasol/DeAndre Jordan
At least I think its a step in the right direction.
Terrible advice or great gamesmanship? The length of Gasol and Jordan is going to give other team's fits. And Jordan's role as a cutter and clean up man let's Gasol work on the block. Mike Brown's questionable offense sets pushed Pau out to the perimeter too often because he couldn't figure out more effective ways to make space for Bynum.
Novak doesn't belong in an NBA starting line-up and while Martin is coming off a tough campaign, he's a first round talent. Keep in mind this is a guy who in 10-11 posted a 60% TS% as a fist option on offense. That's phenomenal. To put it in perspective, it's something that Lebron has never done.
Yes, you're offense would probably run smoother if you could move either Evans or Crash for a high calibre point guard but starting
PG Tyreke Evans
SG Kevin Martin
SF Gerald Wallace
PF Pau Gasol
C DeAndre Jordan
Still gives the Wizards a better starting five than the Bulls or Hawks.
thats the starting lineup we like also and martin still play good last year
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Are you arguing that a wrist injury is a chronic condition? Is there any player in the history of the NBA that was repeatedly hampered by severe wrist injuries?
This isn't a knee we're talking about.
I hear ya its not a knee, but it still doesnt mean his durability shouldnt be brought into question. Two seasons of just about 30 games is pretty serious stuff.
I mean its similar to the Bogut injuries he doesnt have the same injury recurring but eventually you have to question his durability.
This all being said though Varejao is a unique physical specimen, not many guys could take a full fledged elbow to the groin without flinching.
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Still gives the Wizards a better starting five than the Bulls or Hawks.
Its gonna be like this from now on, isn't it? Sigh.
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Varejao / Lopez / Joel Anthony P.S. big men worst nightmare
Lebron / Brand
Green / Dunleavy
Sefolosha / Gordon
Irving
You're going to slot the games best 3 in at the 4? Believe the guy that started Garnett at the 5, it's going to hurt you on votes.
Otherwise a strong team, reminiscent of the Cavs.
Well, that was the kindest thing Wiggle ever said to us, so we'll take it.
This team is much, much better than any team Lebron was on with the Cavs, though. Also, Lebron played 24% of the Heat's minutes at PF last year, and he put up a redunkulous 37.1 PER. He outrebounded opposing PFs, he outshot them by over ten percentage points, and he outscored them by more than double.
Much like Larry Bird before him, Lebron James is the best PF in the NBA. He just happens to play most of his time at SF.
Well I'm up 1-0 in kind compliments so far this year. ;). I'm willing to consider the case that this team is better than James's Cavs squad, though not the Heat. The Irving trade was a classic Roy heist.
As for starting James at the 4, I'm personally open to it. I probably even floated the idea two years ago in the Pick Two. I would be curious to know whether Spoelstra was carefully picking his battles.
The cons? I don't think Jeff Green gives you enough as a starter - poor shooting, mediocre defense and rebounding - to justify the move and I expect the argument to go along the lines of my Garnett at center argument. He's more skilled, the quickness advantage is increasingly valuable in today's NBA, the numbers are in his favor. But he hasn't actually ever started a twenty game stretch at the four, let alone an 82 games and this tends to be an I'll-believe-when-I-see-it crowd. Of course I'm not half the hype man.
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Well I'm up 1-0 in kind compliments so far this year. ;).
Well, without giving away any strategy, you picked 4 or 5 guys that we had specifically targeted, so I can't think your team is too bad.
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Still gives the Wizards a better starting five than the Bulls or Hawks.
Its gonna be like this from now on, isn't it? Sigh.
Out of bounds? You're all strong teams in the East and in this discussion.
Or are you trying to make me feel guilty while overlooking my team completely?
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Well I'm up 1-0 in kind compliments so far this year. ;).
Well, without giving away any strategy, you picked 4 or 5 guys that we had specifically targeted, so I can't think your team is too bad.
1-1. This one might go down to the wire, folks.
(Although note that the ever coy Roy Hobbs at no point used the word, "good.")
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Still gives the Wizards a better starting five than the Bulls or Hawks.
Its gonna be like this from now on, isn't it? Sigh.
Out of bounds? You're all strong teams in the East and in this discussion.
Or are you trying to make me feel guilty while overlooking my team completely?
Ha, I'm not overlooking your team completely, I've commented on it a few times. Its not out of bounds if you actually believe it, and I'm not trying to make you feel guilty.
If ya don't like the Bulls, ya don't like the Bulls. But I'm not seeing my starting 5 vs his as a particularly close contest in which team is better. Bullz 4-eva.
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Walker Wiggle i agree with you 100% :)
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Ha, I'm not overlooking your team completely, I've commented on it a few times. Its not out of bounds if you actually believe it, and I'm not trying to make you feel guilty.
I'd meant overlooking our chances. You're still near the top of my GM rankings in terms of your generosity with player and roster critiques.
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Walker Wiggle i agree with you 100% :)
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You're gonna want your starting 5 to look like this:
Lou Williams/Vasquez
Tyreke Evans/Kevin Martin
Steve Novak/JR Smith
Crash Wallace/Dajuan Blair
Pau Gasol/DeAndre Jordan
At least I think its a step in the right direction.
Terrible advice or great gamesmanship? The length of Gasol and Jordan is going to give other team's fits. And Jordan's role as a cutter and clean up man lets Gasol work on the block. Mike Brown's questionable offensive sets pushed Pau out to the perimeter too often because he couldn't figure out more effective ways to make space for Bynum.
Novak doesn't belong in an NBA starting line-up and while Martin is coming off a tough campaign, he's a first round talent. Keep in mind this is a guy who in 10-11 posted a 60% TS% as a fist option on offense. That's phenomenal. To put it in perspective, it's something that Lebron has never done.
Yes, your offense would run smoother if you could move either Evans or Crash for a high calibre point guard but starting...
PG Tyreke Evans
SG Kevin Martin
SF Gerald Wallace
PF Pau Gasol
C DeAndre Jordan
still gives the Wizards a better starting five than the Bulls or Hawks.
I question what you mean by better. I think this team has probably some of the worst floor spacing and ball movement in the league. I would say they are at average rebounding the ball and their backcourt is one of the worst defensive backcourts in theleague.
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Ha, I'm not overlooking your team completely, I've commented on it a few times. Its not out of bounds if you actually believe it, and I'm not trying to make you feel guilty.
I'd meant overlooking our chances. You're still near the top of my GM rankings in terms of your generosity with player and roster critiques.
I'm not overlooking your chances, but I do need some help understanding your team. You never even addressed this:
THE DUBS
The beginnings of a bench.
SG Manu Ginobili/ Delonte West
SG Klay Thompson
Point Forward Andre Iguodala
PF Anthony Davis
C Channing Frye/ Bismack Biyombo
Tell me about Anthony Davis. Like, compare him to a player of similar tendencies you think he'll match his rookie year on offense, and the same on defense. I've watched him in college, but even the best rookies have an acclimation period. Where is Anthony Davis's baseline, potential notwithstanding.
Also someone explain to me why notwithstanding is one word, and not 3.
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You're gonna want your starting 5 to look like this:
Lou Williams/Vasquez
Tyreke Evans/Kevin Martin
Steve Novak/JR Smith
Crash Wallace/Dajuan Blair
Pau Gasol/DeAndre Jordan
At least I think its a step in the right direction.
Terrible advice or great gamesmanship? The length of Gasol and Jordan is going to give other team's fits. And Jordan's role as a cutter and clean up man lets Gasol work on the block. Mike Brown's questionable offensive sets pushed Pau out to the perimeter too often because he couldn't figure out more effective ways to make space for Bynum.
Novak doesn't belong in an NBA starting line-up and while Martin is coming off a tough campaign, he's a first round talent. Keep in mind this is a guy who in 10-11 posted a 60% TS% as a fist option on offense. That's phenomenal. To put it in perspective, it's something that Lebron has never done.
Yes, your offense would run smoother if you could move either Evans or Crash for a high calibre point guard but starting...
PG Tyreke Evans
SG Kevin Martin
SF Gerald Wallace
PF Pau Gasol
C DeAndre Jordan
still gives the Wizards a better starting five than the Bulls or Hawks.
I question what you mean by better. I think this team has probably some of the worst floor spacing and ball movement in the league. I would say they are at average rebounding the ball and their backcourt is one of the worst defensive backcourts in theleague.
Worst floor spacing? You have Mbah A Moute and George Hill, Our starting big men would out rebound your big men. Tyreke would abuse Hill in scoring and Evans and Martin arent bad defenders
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Here's a distraction for you guys: The Clippers -
PG: Goran Dragic/Darren Collison
SG: Eric Gordon/Rip Hamilton
SF: Shawn Marion/Omri Casspi
PF: Dirk Nowitzki/Derrick Favors/Tyler Hansbrough
C: Roy Hibbert/Derrick Favors/Brandan Wright
Huh?
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You're gonna want your starting 5 to look like this:
Lou Williams/Vasquez
Tyreke Evans/Kevin Martin
Steve Novak/JR Smith
Crash Wallace/Dajuan Blair
Pau Gasol/DeAndre Jordan
At least I think its a step in the right direction.
Terrible advice or great gamesmanship? The length of Gasol and Jordan is going to give other team's fits. And Jordan's role as a cutter and clean up man lets Gasol work on the block. Mike Brown's questionable offensive sets pushed Pau out to the perimeter too often because he couldn't figure out more effective ways to make space for Bynum.
Novak doesn't belong in an NBA starting line-up and while Martin is coming off a tough campaign, he's a first round talent. Keep in mind this is a guy who in 10-11 posted a 60% TS% as a fist option on offense. That's phenomenal. To put it in perspective, it's something that Lebron has never done.
Yes, your offense would run smoother if you could move either Evans or Crash for a high calibre point guard but starting...
PG Tyreke Evans
SG Kevin Martin
SF Gerald Wallace
PF Pau Gasol
C DeAndre Jordan
still gives the Wizards a better starting five than the Bulls or Hawks.
I question what you mean by better. I think this team has probably some of the worst floor spacing and ball movement in the league. I would say they are at average rebounding the ball and their backcourt is one of the worst defensive backcourts in theleague.
Worst floor spacing? You have Mbah A Moute and George Hill, Our starting big men would out rebound your big men. Tyreke would abuse Hill in scoring and Evans and Martin arent bad defenders
You mean George Hill who shot 43% from 3 last year compared to Evans who shot in 20%. Yes thats the floor spacing im referring to.
Also Mbah A Moute shot 25% versus Crash shooting 30% Not that terrible for us considering we have mbah out their to defend and not score. I disagree on the rebounding and yes Martin and Evans are bad defenders.
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You're gonna want your starting 5 to look like this:
Lou Williams/Vasquez
Tyreke Evans/Kevin Martin
Steve Novak/JR Smith
Crash Wallace/Dajuan Blair
Pau Gasol/DeAndre Jordan
At least I think its a step in the right direction.
Terrible advice or great gamesmanship? The length of Gasol and Jordan is going to give other team's fits. And Jordan's role as a cutter and clean up man lets Gasol work on the block. Mike Brown's questionable offensive sets pushed Pau out to the perimeter too often because he couldn't figure out more effective ways to make space for Bynum.
Novak doesn't belong in an NBA starting line-up and while Martin is coming off a tough campaign, he's a first round talent. Keep in mind this is a guy who in 10-11 posted a 60% TS% as a fist option on offense. That's phenomenal. To put it in perspective, it's something that Lebron has never done.
Yes, your offense would run smoother if you could move either Evans or Crash for a high calibre point guard but starting...
PG Tyreke Evans
SG Kevin Martin
SF Gerald Wallace
PF Pau Gasol
C DeAndre Jordan
still gives the Wizards a better starting five than the Bulls or Hawks.
I question what you mean by better. I think this team has probably some of the worst floor spacing and ball movement in the league. I would say they are at average rebounding the ball and their backcourt is one of the worst defensive backcourts in theleague.
Worst floor spacing? You have Mbah A Moute and George Hill, Our starting big men would out rebound your big men. Tyreke would abuse Hill in scoring and Evans and Martin arent bad defenders
You mean George Hill who shot 43% from 3 last year compared to Evans who shot in 20%. Yes thats the floor spacing im referring to.
Also Mbah A Moute shot 25% versus Crash shooting 30% Not that terrible for us considering we have mbah out their to defend and not score. I disagree on the rebounding and yes Martin and Evans are bad defenders.
Look at our bench we can easily add them in and we'd have the best spacing in the world if it pleases you, also here for the rebounding, we out rebound you 17.7 to 15.6 or you can also go by rebounds per 48 minutes where we out rebound you 27 to 26.1
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avgRebounds/position/power-forwards
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avgRebounds/position/centers
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Here's a distraction for you guys: The Clippers -
PG: Goran Dragic/Darren Collison
SG: Eric Gordon/Rip Hamilton
SF: Shawn Marion/Omri Casspi
PF: Dirk Nowitzki/Derrick Favors/Tyler Hansbrough
C: Roy Hibbert/Derrick Favors/Brandan Wright
Huh?
Dang it, Champ. I was gonna pick Casspi at 11.15.
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The Phoenix Suns.
1. Steve Nash/Raymond Felton
2. Jason Richardson/DeMar DeRozan
3. Tayshaun Prince/Al-Farouq Aminu
4. Kevin Love/Tristan Thompson
5. Joakim Noah/Ekpe Udoh
Thoughts? Strengths? Weaknesses? Where do I rank in the West?
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The Phoenix Suns.
1. Steve Nash/Raymond Felton
2. Jason Richardson/DeMar DeRozan
3. Tayshaun Prince/Al-Farouq Aminu
4. Kevin Love/Tristan Thompson
5. Joakim Noah/Ekpe Udoh
Thoughts? Strengths? Weaknesses? Where do I rank in the West?
This team is built to Steve Nash's strenghts like 808's and Heartbreaks is built around autotune.
And I like it a lot. I wish you'd taken your token Robin Lopez-esque giant for 'just in case' situations, but I like your team a lot. I don't think Love is as good of a player as Amare was in Phoenix, but I think he's close. I'm not sure where you rank in the West, but thats mostly because its been 6 rounds and a million trades since I thought about it last.
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Here's a distraction for you guys: The Clippers -
PG: Goran Dragic/Darren Collison
SG: Eric Gordon/Rip Hamilton
SF: Shawn Marion/Omri Casspi
PF: Dirk Nowitzki/Derrick Favors/Tyler Hansbrough
C: Roy Hibbert/Derrick Favors/Brandan Wright
Huh?
Team goes as far as Goran Dragic can take them, I think, although Gordon can create his own shot. Frontcourt rotation is a real strength of the team.
I have no idea what to think about Omri anymore. Not that the success of the team hinges on him. But I would like to see another wing on the roster, especially given Rip's health issues in recent years.
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Steve Novak is a LEGEND
http://youtu.be/IF9qMbr0-8c
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Here's a distraction for you guys: The Clippers -
PG: Goran Dragic/Darren Collison
SG: Eric Gordon/Rip Hamilton
SF: Shawn Marion/Omri Casspi
PF: Dirk Nowitzki/Derrick Favors/Tyler Hansbrough
C: Roy Hibbert/Derrick Favors/Brandan Wright
Huh?
Gordon is the key. If he can stay healthy, you have a great one two scoring duo. If not, your team becomes old and slow.
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Here's a distraction for you guys: The Clippers -
PG: Goran Dragic/Darren Collison
SG: Eric Gordon/Rip Hamilton
SF: Shawn Marion/Omri Casspi
PF: Dirk Nowitzki/Derrick Favors/Tyler Hansbrough
C: Roy Hibbert/Derrick Favors/Brandan Wright
Huh?
Team goes as far as Goran Dragic can take them, I think, although Gordon can create his own shot. Frontcourt rotation is a real strength of the team.
I have no idea what to think about Omri anymore. Not that the success of the team hinges on him. But I would like to see another wing on the roster, especially given Rip's health issues in recent years.
Having another starting PG behind Dragic in Collison is definitely a big deal here. I think Dragic is a pure enough point to facilitate this offense well, and Marion/Dirk/Hibbert are solid enough passers to get the team through any prolonged playmaking slumps in the backcourt.
Casspi...who knows. He's talented but he's also been caught up on bad teams and in strange roles. He's a solid jump shooter with the length to hassle opposing wings, so I think he can handle 15 minutes a night on a better team than he's ever seen before. I'm not doing that as a backdoor brag or anything - the Cavs and Kings are just really bad.
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The Phoenix Suns.
1. Steve Nash/Raymond Felton
2. Jason Richardson/DeMar DeRozan
3. Tayshaun Prince/Al-Farouq Aminu
4. Kevin Love/Tristan Thompson
5. Joakim Noah/Ekpe Udoh
Thoughts? Strengths? Weaknesses? Where do I rank in the West?
This team is built to Steve Nash's strenghts like 808's and Heartbreaks is built around autotune.
And I like it a lot. I wish you'd taken your token Robin Lopez-esque giant for 'just in case' situations, but I like your team a lot. I don't think Love is as good of a player as Amare was in Phoenix, but I think he's close. I'm not sure where you rank in the West, but thats mostly because its been 6 rounds and a million trades since I thought about it last.
Really? I think Love > Amare in Phoenix, by a fair margin. K-Love is just as good a scorer as Amare was but with a 3 point shot. Neither are good defenders but Love is a better rebounder than Amare, by a mile. Give me Love any day of the week. Might not be as big of a name as Amare, but with the right supporting cast, Love would be Top 5 player.
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The Phoenix Suns.
1. Steve Nash/Raymond Felton
2. Jason Richardson/DeMar DeRozan
3. Tayshaun Prince/Al-Farouq Aminu
4. Kevin Love/Tristan Thompson
5. Joakim Noah/Ekpe Udoh
Thoughts? Strengths? Weaknesses? Where do I rank in the West?
This team is built to Steve Nash's strenghts like 808's and Heartbreaks is built around autotune.
And I like it a lot. I wish you'd taken your token Robin Lopez-esque giant for 'just in case' situations, but I like your team a lot. I don't think Love is as good of a player as Amare was in Phoenix, but I think he's close. I'm not sure where you rank in the West, but thats mostly because its been 6 rounds and a million trades since I thought about it last.
Really? I think Love > Amare in Phoenix, by a fair margin. K-Love is just as good a scorer as Amare was but with a 3 point shot. Neither are good defenders but Love is a better rebounder than Amare, by a mile. Give me Love any day of the week. Might not be as big of a name as Amare, but with the right supporting cast, Love would be Top 5 player.
Love is not the pick and roll beast that Amare was when he was healthy.
Love fits next to Nash spreading the floor. I am not sure he is the one to use on the pick and roll.
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The Phoenix Suns.
1. Steve Nash/Raymond Felton
2. Jason Richardson/DeMar DeRozan
3. Tayshaun Prince/Al-Farouq Aminu
4. Kevin Love/Tristan Thompson
5. Joakim Noah/Ekpe Udoh
Thoughts? Strengths? Weaknesses? Where do I rank in the West?
This team is built to Steve Nash's strenghts like 808's and Heartbreaks is built around autotune.
And I like it a lot. I wish you'd taken your token Robin Lopez-esque giant for 'just in case' situations, but I like your team a lot. I don't think Love is as good of a player as Amare was in Phoenix, but I think he's close. I'm not sure where you rank in the West, but thats mostly because its been 6 rounds and a million trades since I thought about it last.
Really? I think Love > Amare in Phoenix, by a fair margin. K-Love is just as good a scorer as Amare was but with a 3 point shot. Neither are good defenders but Love is a better rebounder than Amare, by a mile. Give me Love any day of the week. Might not be as big of a name as Amare, but with the right supporting cast, Love would be Top 5 player.
Amare, before injuries have steadily hurt him, could score from anywhere on the floor, was an elite pick and roll player, and was athletic enough to finish with anyone around the rim.
Love>Amare now by a far margin, but Amare was scoring 25 points, 9 boards, 2 blocks, a call me crazy 65% TS%, and playing for a contender.
Love's been really good for a pretty bad team he can't seem to get out of the cellar.
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The Phoenix Suns.
1. Steve Nash/Raymond Felton
2. Jason Richardson/DeMar DeRozan
3. Tayshaun Prince/Al-Farouq Aminu
4. Kevin Love/Tristan Thompson
5. Joakim Noah/Ekpe Udoh
Thoughts? Strengths? Weaknesses? Where do I rank in the West?
Absolutely love the talent and fit of the starting lineup. Could be the best in the draft, collectively speaking.
That said, not crazy about your bench guys. Your bigs and SF are all really raw players. DeRozan seemed to regress last year, although I think he'll do fine for you. We've discussed Felton ad nauseum, I think.
With your remaining picks, would like to see some "sure things," even if none of them are particularly sexy players.
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The Phoenix Suns.
1. Steve Nash/Raymond Felton
2. Jason Richardson/DeMar DeRozan
3. Tayshaun Prince/Al-Farouq Aminu
4. Kevin Love/Tristan Thompson
5. Joakim Noah/Ekpe Udoh
Thoughts? Strengths? Weaknesses? Where do I rank in the West?
Absolutely love the talent and fit of the starting lineup. Could be the best in the draft, collectively speaking.
That said, not crazy about your bench guys. Your bigs and SF are all really raw players. DeRozan seemed to regress last year, although I think he'll do fine for you. We've discussed Felton ad nauseum, I think.
With your remaining picks, would like to see some "sure things," even if none of them are particularly sexy players.
I agree with the concerns about your depth, and I'm also a little skeptical about Prince/JRich on the wings. I'd look into a 1-for-2 trade to add a little more to the bench, but I'm just not sure what you'd want to move here. That Nash-Love-Noah trio is very nice. Also, I'll agree with the sentiment that Love is not the aggressive monster scoring around the rim that Amare was back in his heyday.
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The Phoenix Suns.
1. Steve Nash/Raymond Felton
2. Jason Richardson/DeMar DeRozan
3. Tayshaun Prince/Al-Farouq Aminu
4. Kevin Love/Tristan Thompson
5. Joakim Noah/Ekpe Udoh
Thoughts? Strengths? Weaknesses? Where do I rank in the West?
Absolutely love the talent and fit of the starting lineup. Could be the best in the draft, collectively speaking.
That said, not crazy about your bench guys. Your bigs and SF are all really raw players. DeRozan seemed to regress last year, although I think he'll do fine for you. We've discussed Felton ad nauseum, I think.
With your remaining picks, would like to see some "sure things," even if none of them are particularly sexy players.
I think Felton, for where he was drafted, is a good player to keep up some of what Nash brings at the PG position. He's not the "change of pace" player that teams often like off the bench, but this team is built to have an identity around Nash running the show, so that change of place guy is not what would be best for this team and Felton can play a similar style as Nash, just not nearly as well.
What Felton lacks at the PG position, DeRozan can pick up with his ability to create offense. I like the DeRozan fit well a lot. Let him put up some shots, maybe get the defensive bigs to react to him a little bit, and allow Love and Noah to clean up underneath some of what doesn't go in.
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Through 11
Cleveland Derps:
Projected starting line-up and rotations:
PG - Jeremy Lin / Jerryd Bayless / Derek Fisher
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy / (MKG)
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist / Harrison Barnes
PF - Kenneth Faried / Kenyon Martin / Jason Smith
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond / (Smith)
Roy, while listed at SG will be running point if he plays with Bayless.
Just me, but that's a pretty deep bench if you ask me. And this is assuming Roy is at least 70% of what he used to be, which is very plausible
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The Phoenix Suns.
1. Steve Nash/Raymond Felton
2. Jason Richardson/DeMar DeRozan
3. Tayshaun Prince/Al-Farouq Aminu
4. Kevin Love/Tristan Thompson
5. Joakim Noah/Ekpe Udoh
Thoughts? Strengths? Weaknesses? Where do I rank in the West?
Absolutely love the talent and fit of the starting lineup. Could be the best in the draft, collectively speaking.
That said, not crazy about your bench guys. Your bigs and SF are all really raw players. DeRozan seemed to regress last year, although I think he'll do fine for you. We've discussed Felton ad nauseum, I think.
With your remaining picks, would like to see some "sure things," even if none of them are particularly sexy players.
I think Felton, for where he was drafted, is a good player to keep up some of what Nash brings at the PG position. He's not the "change of pace" player that teams often like off the bench, but this team is built to have an identity around Nash running the show, so that change of place guy is not what would be best for this team and Felton can play a similar style as Nash, just not nearly as well.
What Felton lacks at the PG position, DeRozan can pick up with his ability to create offense. I like the DeRozan fit well a lot. Let him put up some shots, maybe get the defensive bigs to react to him a little bit, and allow Love and Noah to clean up underneath some of what doesn't go in.
I think the issue that most people have with Felton is his attitude. He can play, but his commitment and attitude made him enemy of the state number one on Oregon last year.
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Rip it apart...I know I want to:
Boxers
PG: Russell Westbrook/Mario Chalmers/Jordan Farmar
SG: Stephen Curry/Gerald Green
SF: Wilson Chandler/Jonas Jerebko
PF: Donatas Montiejunas/Reggie Evans
C: Marcin Gortat/Jonas Valanciunas
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Rip it apart...I know I want to:
Boxers
PG: Russell Westbrook/Mario Chalmers/Jordan Farmar
SG: Stephen Curry/Gerald Green
SF: Wilson Chandler/Jonas Jerebko
PF: Donatas Montiejunas/Reggie Evans
C: Marcin Gortat/Jonas Valanciunas
I wouldn't, I like that team. Seems like something I'd put together in NBA 2k12. Jonas Jerebko likely doesn't have any bidness playing the 3 against most guys who start there, but I bet he can handle most backups. Kinda hitching your wagon to ol Montie at the 4, but considering you effectively already paid a 4th rounder for him, its hard to not put him to use. Valanciunas should be okay for the 15 minutes you're gonna play him a game hopefully..
Curry's ankles and Montie's ability to pickup the faster NBA game are what's gonna put you into the playoffs or keep you down in the lottery.
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Rip it apart...I know I want to:
Boxers
PG: Russell Westbrook/Mario Chalmers/Jordan Farmar
SG: Stephen Curry/Gerald Green
SF: Wilson Chandler/Jonas Jerebko
PF: Donatas Montiejunas/Reggie Evans
C: Marcin Gortat/Jonas Valanciunas
I wouldn't, I like that team. Seems like something I'd put together in NBA 2k12. Jonas Jerebko likely doesn't have any bidness playing the 3 against most guys who start there, but I bet he can handle most backups. Kinda hitching your wagon to ol Montie at the 4, but considering you effectively already paid a 4th rounder for him, its hard to not put him to use. Valanciunas should be okay for the 15 minutes you're gonna play him a game hopefully..
Curry's ankles and Montie's ability to pickup the faster NBA game are what's gonna put you into the playoffs or keep you down in the lottery.
Is Montie the preferred moniker? I was thinking it might be Donuts.
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Rip it apart...I know I want to:
Boxers
PG: Russell Westbrook/Mario Chalmers/Jordan Farmar
SG: Stephen Curry/Gerald Green
SF: Wilson Chandler/Jonas Jerebko
PF: Donatas Montiejunas/Reggie Evans
C: Marcin Gortat/Jonas Valanciunas
I wouldn't, I like that team. Seems like something I'd put together in NBA 2k12. Jonas Jerebko likely doesn't have any bidness playing the 3 against most guys who start there, but I bet he can handle most backups. Kinda hitching your wagon to ol Montie at the 4, but considering you effectively already paid a 4th rounder for him, its hard to not put him to use. Valanciunas should be okay for the 15 minutes you're gonna play him a game hopefully..
Curry's ankles and Montie's ability to pickup the faster NBA game are what's gonna put you into the playoffs or keep you down in the lottery.
Is Montie the preferred moniker? I was thinking it might be Donuts.
I'm callin him montie. You try to call him donuts and I'll box yore ears!
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I question what you mean by better. I think this team has probably some of the worst floor spacing and ball movement in the league. I would say they are at average rebounding the ball and their backcourt is one of the worst defensive backcourts in theleague.
Better? I mean currently I rank them ahead of the Hawks. I don't know about head to head though. I don't have real concerns with the team's floor spacing - show me some #s - but teams with worse shooters have gone deep into the CB playoffs. Ball movement on the other hand is going to be a problem. As for rebounding, Jordan vs. Duncan is a wash (18.1 TRB% vs 18.3 TRB%) Gasol outrebounds West handily (15.6 TRB% vs. 12.6 TRB%) and while Mbah a Moute edges out Wallace in an off year (12.4 TRB% vs. 10.8 TRB%) it’s not a wide enough margin to make up the difference. I suppose your back court will, but then do you consider the Hawks an average rebounding team?
I suspect both teams might be above average but again I haven’t looked around.
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Kyle Lowry / Devin Harris
Tony Allen / Terrence Ross
DAHNTAY JONES / Rudy Gay
Lamarcus Alridge / Thomas Robinson
Al Horford / Nick Collison
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The Phoenix Suns.
1. Steve Nash/Raymond Felton
2. Jason Richardson/DeMar DeRozan
3. Tayshaun Prince/Al-Farouq Aminu
4. Kevin Love/Tristan Thompson
5. Joakim Noah/Ekpe Udoh
Thoughts? Strengths? Weaknesses? Where do I rank in the West?
I think your starting lineup is fantastic. One of the best in the league.
Kevin Love and Ricky Rubio where lethal in the pick and pop and replacing Rubio with Nash will only make it tougher for opponents to defend. With the help of Steve Nash, Joakim Noah will give you 95% of the scoring threat Gortat gave Phoenix last season. Plus, far superior passing and ball-handling with Noah over Gortat.
Then you have J-Rich who can get back into his comfort zone and should give you a solid starter at SG. And Tayshaun Prince who is still a high level defender and one of the most well-rounded basketball players in the league. A terrific starting five.
All that said, I don't like where your team goes from there. I think is very weak. I think Tristan Thompson and Aminu are both amongst the worst backup forwards in the league. I think Udoh is well below average at center (I prefer him at PF). I rate DeRozan and Felton both as slightly above average backups at their respective positions.
I think your starters are brilliant and are a Championship caliber unit but I also believe your bench holds you back significantly. It could be the difference maker between your team and other contenders in the West.
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Kyle Lowry / Devin Harris
Tony Allen / Terrence Ross
DAHNTAY JONES / Rudy Gay
Lamarcus Alridge / Thomas Robinson
Al Horford / Nick Collison
DAHNTAY JONES > rudy gay
DAHNTAY JONES FOR MVP
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Kyle Lowry / Devin Harris
Tony Allen / Terrence Ross
DAHNTAY JONES / Rudy Gay
Lamarcus Alridge / Thomas Robinson
Al Horford / Nick Collison
Is there a funny Dahntay Jones animated gif going around or something?
I like this squad a lot, particularly Horford/Aldridge/Collison, but I hope you get bounced in Round 1 by a, "Whatever dude, Dwight Howard" argument.
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Kyle Lowry / Devin Harris
Tony Allen / Terrence Ross
DAHNTAY JONES / Rudy Gay
Lamarcus Alridge / Thomas Robinson
Al Horford / Nick Collison
Is there a funny Dahntay Jones animated gif going around or something?
I like this squad a lot, particularly Horford/Aldridge/Collison, but I hope you get bounced in Round 1 by a, "Whatever dude, Dwight Howard" argument.
Hey i know that one. It beat my 'whatever dude, Lebron james' argument.
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Rip it apart...I know I want to:
Boxers
PG: Russell Westbrook/Mario Chalmers/Jordan Farmar
PG: Stephen Curry/Gerald Green
SF: Wilson Chandler/Jonas Jerebko
PF: Donatas Montiejunas/Reggie Evans
C: Marcin Gortat/Jonas Valanciunas
Can I just change your backcourt around a bit ...
PG: Stephen Curry, Mario Chalmers, Jordan Farmar
OG: Russell Westbrook, Gerald Green
SF: Wilson Chandler, (Gerald Green)
PF: Donatas Montiejunas, Jonas Jerebko, Reggie Evans
C: Marcin Gortat, Jonas Valanciunas
Okay, that's better.
Earlier I said that I didn't like playing Westbrook at the two because I don't feel he gains an advantage there vs the PG position ... but I darn sure will do so to fit in a talent like Steph Curry. A very strong backcourt duo. One of the best starting backcourts in the league.
More Steph Curry over to the one both offensively and defensively. Let Curry be the lead guard and have Westbrook play the off guard in a two guard backcourt. Then you are playing one wing and two big men.
Wilson Chandler and Marcin Gortat are solid starters at SF and C. Donatus Motiejunas is a question mark but I do believe him to be your best bet at PF.
I think Jonas Valanciounas will be a good backup center his rookie season. I also think Mario Chalmers is a good backup PG. Gerald Green put up some impressive numbers last season and should be a good backup two for you.
There is a lack of a backup SF but Green can cover that if need be. Not wild about the PF duo of Jerebko and Reggie Evans. Jerebko will be a decent primary backup PF. Reggie Evans gives you a good alternative to him because he is a power based player who can defend the more physical PFs that Jerebko doesn't do well with. I'd like to see you add a floor stretching PF if possible with one of your final picks. I think that option would help your roster at times.
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Varejao / R. Lopez / J. Anthony
Lebron / Brand
J. Green / Dunleavy / Kleiza
Sefolosha / B. Gordon
Irving / A. Brooks
And a more traditional lineup, we run out:
Varejao / R. Lopez /
Brand / J. Anthony
Lebron / J. Green / Dunleavy / Kleiza
Gordon / Thabo
Irving / A. Brooks
To be honest this Team is even Better than the 2009 Crotornat Champions, with more star power and even more deepness
Crotornats 2012 CB world Champions!!!!
Vote soon.... ;D
F. Edgar
Co General Manager and 99.9% Owner
p.s. Quote( We are Doomed ) from Yoki.
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Spurs:
C: Brook Lopez/ Ian Mahinmi
PF: Taj Gibson/ Drew Gooden/ Jared Sullinger
SF: Danny Green/ Alonzo Gee
SG: James Harden/ Deshawn Stevenson
PG: John Wall/ Ramon Sessions
I think a lot of the criticism of this team will be that I have some apathetic defenders upfront (Gooden and Lopez) I think the fact that Doc Rivers is coaching this team can actually help that a lot more than most would think
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The Phoenix Suns.
1. Steve Nash/Raymond Felton
2. Jason Richardson/DeMar DeRozan
3. Tayshaun Prince/Al-Farouq Aminu
4. Kevin Love/Tristan Thompson
5. Joakim Noah/Ekpe Udoh
Thoughts? Strengths? Weaknesses? Where do I rank in the West?
I think your starting lineup is fantastic. One of the best in the league.
Kevin Love and Ricky Rubio where lethal in the pick and pop and replacing Rubio with Nash will only make it tougher for opponents to defend. With the help of Steve Nash, Joakim Noah will give you 95% of the scoring threat Gortat gave Phoenix last season. Plus, far superior passing and ball-handling with Noah over Gortat.
Then you have J-Rich who can get back into his comfort zone and should give you a solid starter at SG. And Tayshaun Prince who is still a high level defender and one of the most well-rounded basketball players in the league. A terrific starting five.
All that said, I don't like where your team goes from there. I think is very weak. I think Tristan Thompson and Aminu are both amongst the worst backup forwards in the league. I think Udoh is well below average at center (I prefer him at PF). I rate DeRozan and Felton both as slightly above average backups at their respective positions.
I think your starters are brilliant and are a Championship caliber unit but I also believe your bench holds you back significantly. It could be the difference maker between your team and other contenders in the West.
Aminu and Thompson both start for their respective teams. I think they will provide a defensive/athletic spark off the bench. They are both very young but no way are they the worst backup forwards in the league. Thompson started his rookie campaign slow last season but really picked it up at the end of the season for the Cavs. I think he's good for 10points and 6 rebounds off the bench. All we ask from Aminu is good defense and we're certain he will provide that for us. His length will be an issue for opposing players. He has the potential to be a very gifted defender, imo.
Felton and DeRozan are slightly above average STARTERS, if I say so myself. They will be GREAT bench players. Despite his lackluster season in Portland, don't write off Felton just yet. Just two seasons ago he was averaging 16 and 8 on the Knicks. Was a top-15 point guard at one point in his career. He has not been struck with any major injuries and is still relatively young. I wouldn't be surprised if returned to this 2010 level of play. I really like DeRozan off the bench, as well. He can create his own shot, very good athlete, and his shooting is improving year by year. I'm very confident in DeRozan leading the 2nd unit.
I think my bench will be just fine.
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Complete team
The Pacers
PG Rondo
SG Bradley
SF Batum
PF Scola
C Monroe
bench
PG Hinrich
SG Beal
SG/SF Bell
SF/SG Pietrus
PF Landry
PF/C Seraphin
C/PF Kanter
C Kwame Brown
Coach : Danny Ainge
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Complete team
The Pacers
PG Rondo
SG Bradley
SF Batum
PF Scola
C Monroe
bench
PG Hinrich
SG Beal
SG/SF Bell
SF/SG Pietrus
PF Landry
PF/C Seraphin
C/PF Kanter
C Kwame Brown
Coach : Danny Ainge
So much defense!
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Complete team
The Pacers
PG Rondo
SG Bradley
SF Batum
PF Scola
C Monroe
bench
PG Hinrich
SG Beal
SG/SF Bell
SF/SG Pietrus
PF Landry
PF/C Seraphin
C/PF Kanter
C Kwame Brown
Coach : Danny Ainge
Nice team but who takes the last shot? beal?
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Varejao / R. Lopez / J. Anthony
Lebron / Brand
J. Green / Dunleavy / Kleiza
Sefolosha / B. Gordon
Irving / A. Brooks
So, Brand is a backup PF, not a center? Just want to be clear about his role.
Seems like a lot of redundancy in the C rotation. Would like to see another floor-spacing big available to come off the bench to provide different looks.
How's the defense on the wings? Is there another plus-defender besides Sef (I haven't looked at the numbers)?
Perhaps I'm underrating this squad. It's very good, but I don't feel as though it's the best.
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Complete team
The Pacers
PG Rondo
SG Bradley
SF Batum
PF Scola
C Monroe
bench
PG Hinrich
SG Beal
SG/SF Bell
SF/SG Pietrus
PF Landry
PF/C Seraphin
C/PF Kanter
C Kwame Brown
Coach : Danny Ainge
This team will play defense for sure. Does it have enough veteran presance and playoff experience to hold up on the playoffs?
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Kyle Lowry / Devin Harris
Tony Allen / Terrence Ross
DAHNTAY JONES / Rudy Gay
Lamarcus Alridge / Thomas Robinson
Al Horford / Nick Collison
Nicely assembled lineup. A few question makes with having to rookies as backups. I like the idea of having Gay come of the bench to provide a spark to the bench and give it some scoring but how will Gay react to being the 6th man?
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Orlando Magic:
Pg:Jeff Teague/Mo Willaims
SG:Thorton/Henderson/Carter
SF:Deng/Marvin Williams/Carter/Odom
PF:Amare/Odom/Mullins
C:Magee/Mullins/Amare
Pretty solid and deep lineup if you ask me.
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Orlando Magic:
Pg:Jeff Teague/Mo Willaims
SG:Thorton/Henderson/Carter
SF:Deng/Marvin Williams/Carter/Odom
PF:Amare/Odom/Mullins
C:Magee/Mullins/Amare
Pretty solid and deep lineup if you ask me.
nice lineup playoff team sure contender nope
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Kyle Lowry / Devin Harris
Tony Allen / Terrence Ross
DAHNTAY JONES / Rudy Gay
Lamarcus Alridge / Thomas Robinson
Al Horford / Nick Collison
Nicely assembled lineup. A few question makes with having to rookies as backups. I like the idea of having Gay come of the bench to provide a spark to the bench and give it some scoring but how will Gay react to being the 6th man?
To your first concern, Collison and Delfino will see the majority of the back up minutes at the big and wing slots and the rooks will see only a bit of time. Also, Harris will see some time at the 2.
To your second concern, Rudy is a starter, SO just likes to have some fun.
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Orlando Magic:
Pg:Jeff Teague/Mo Willaims
SG:Thorton/Henderson/Carter
SF:Deng/Marvin Williams/Carter/Odom
PF:Amare/Odom/Mullins
C:Magee/Mullins/Amare
Pretty solid and deep lineup if you ask me.
nice lineup playoff team sure contender nope
Why isnt it a contender?
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Complete team
The Pacers
PG Rondo
SG Bradley
SF Batum
PF Scola
C Monroe
bench
PG Hinrich
SG Beal
SG/SF Bell
SF/SG Pietrus
PF Landry
PF/C Seraphin
C/PF Kanter
C Kwame Brown
Coach : Danny Ainge
This team will play defense for sure. Does it have enough veteran presance and playoff experience to hold up on the playoffs?
I have plenty of playoff experience.
With the exception of Monroe, Kevin Seraphin and Beal; my main guys have been in playoff wars.
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Kyle Lowry / Devin Harris
Tony Allen / Terrence Ross
DAHNTAY JONES / Rudy Gay
Lamarcus Alridge / Thomas Robinson
Al Horford / Nick Collison
Nicely assembled lineup. A few question makes with having to rookies as backups. I like the idea of having Gay come of the bench to provide a spark to the bench and give it some scoring but how will Gay react to being the 6th man?
To your first concern, Collison and Delfino will see the majority of the back up minutes at the big and wing slots and the rooks will see only a bit of time. Also, Harris will see some time at the 2.
To your second concern, Rudy is a starter, SO just likes to have some fun.
Missed that you also had Delfino. O ok was sure if he was serious or not about Gay coming of the bench.
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Orlando Magic:
Pg:Jeff Teague/Mo Willaims
SG:Thorton/Henderson/Carter
SF:Deng/Marvin Williams/Carter/Odom
PF:Amare/Odom/Mullins
C:Magee/Mullins/Amare
Pretty solid and deep lineup if you ask me.
nice lineup playoff team sure contender nope
Why isnt it a contender?
No star power
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Orlando Magic:
Pg:Jeff Teague/Mo Willaims
SG:Thorton/Henderson/Carter
SF:Deng/Marvin Williams/Carter/Odom
PF:Amare/Odom/Mullins
C:Magee/Mullins/Amare
Pretty solid and deep lineup if you ask me.
nice lineup playoff team sure contender nope
Why isnt it a contender?
No star power
Amare is a star deng was an Allstar this year lol
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Orlando Magic:
Pg:Jeff Teague/Mo Willaims
SG:Thorton/Henderson/Carter
SF:Deng/Marvin Williams/Carter/Odom
PF:Amare/Odom/Mullins
C:Magee/Mullins/Amare
Pretty solid and deep lineup if you ask me.
nice lineup playoff team sure contender nope
Why isnt it a contender?
No star power
Amare is a star deng was an Allstar this year lol
Amare is not a star he was a star and Deng is not a premiere scorer
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Amare is a star..its not his fault he plays with a chucker like Melo who doesnt like to pass. Amare's only 29 should have about 3-4 more good years left in him.
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Orlando Magic:
Pg:Jeff Teague/Mo Willaims
SG:Thorton/Henderson/Carter
SF:Deng/Marvin Williams/Carter/Odom
PF:Amare/Odom/Mullins
C:Magee/Mullins/Amare
Pretty solid and deep lineup if you ask me.
Is Teague an effective PG at running the pick and roll? If he is, then I see no reason why this team can't put up a lot of points, between the Amare/Teague combo, Thornton, and Deng (with McGee getting garbage points as well).
I think the overall team defense could use some work. Perhaps Henderson in the starting lineup? Could provide some very good wing defense with Deng. Thornton would be free to come off the bench in a Jamal Crawford role.
Can Mullens play PF? Might like to see a better bench option there.
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Amare is a star..its not his fault he plays with a chucker like Melo who doesnt like to pass. Amare's only 29 should have about 3-4 more good years left in him.
I like your starting lineup(except for teague) though i dont like your bench i feel like you got washed up players well expet for henderson and mullins
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Orlando Magic:
Pg:Jeff Teague/Mo Willaims
SG:Thorton/Henderson/Carter
SF:Deng/Marvin Williams/Carter/Odom
PF:Amare/Odom/Mullins
C:Magee/Mullins/Amare
Pretty solid and deep lineup if you ask me.
Is Teague an effective PG at running the pick and roll? If he is, then I see no reason why this team can't put up a lot of points, between the Amare/Teague combo, Thornton, and Deng (with McGee getting garbage points as well).
I think the overall team defense could use some work. Perhaps Henderson in the starting lineup? Could provide some very good wing defense with Deng. Thornton would be free to come off the bench in a Jamal Crawford role.
Can Mullens play PF? Might like to see a better bench option there.
Mullens probably wont see any minutes at the 4 but I think he could play the 4 he can shoot the ball. Lamar Odom would see most of the time at the backup 4. Teague should be excellent running the pick and roll with Amare cause teams will wont be able to leave him open for the 3pt line.
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Teague should be excellent running the pick and roll with Amare cause teams will wont be able to leave him open for the 3pt line.
Do we have sort of statistical analysis that backs that up, though?
Looks like only 2.5 of Teague's 5.5 assists per game came on shots within 15 feet of the rim.
http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Jeff%20Teague
Now, that may be because Atlanta didn't use the pick and roll, or perhaps because Joe Johnson was the ballhandler in P&R situations. I don't know.
Perhaps someone (Who?) can speak more definitively about Jeff Teague as a P&R partner for Amare.
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Varejao / R. Lopez / J. Anthony
Lebron / Brand
J. Green / Dunleavy / Kleiza
Sefolosha / B. Gordon
Irving / A. Brooks
Would like to see another floor-spacing big available to come off the bench to provide different looks.
How's the defense on the wings? Is there another plus-defender besides Sef (I haven't looked at the numbers)?
Perhaps I'm underrating this squad. It's very good, but I don't feel as though it's the best.
Green can be your floor spacing 4, somehow Kleiza too.
Bron can deffend the wing
Irving will only get better and its fast to cross the pass
and finally yes... youre underrating this squad
Its not very good... its super doooper good
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Orlando Magic:
Pg:Jeff Teague/Mo Willaims
SG:Thorton/Henderson/Carter
SF:Deng/Marvin Williams/Carter/Odom
PF:Amare/Odom/Mullins
C:Magee/Mullins/Amare
Pretty solid and deep lineup if you ask me.
Well then we won't ask you ;)
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Orlando Magic:
Pg:Jeff Teague/Mo Willaims
SG:Thorton/Henderson/Carter
SF:Deng/Marvin Williams/Carter/Odom
PF:Amare/Odom/Mullins
C:Magee/Mullins/Amare
Pretty solid and deep lineup if you ask me.
Well then we won't ask you ;)
LOL! :)
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Fafnir check PMs please. Thanks.
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Orlando Magic:
Pg:Jeff Teague/Mo Willaims
SG:Thorton/Henderson/Carter
SF:Deng/Marvin Williams/Carter/Odom
PF:Amare/Odom/Mullins
C:Magee/Mullins/Amare
Pretty solid and deep lineup if you ask me.
A lot of questions about the big men.
Is Amare going to be able to bounce back?
Will Lamar play well after last years embarrassment. (you don't get the luxury of bringing him back to LA to make his wife happy)
Is McGee going to finally mature and be consistent with the natural gifts he was given?
I have to look at the other rosters, but it would not surprise me if this team misses the playoffs in this exercise.
Could be a strong "told you so" team by midseason.
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Orlando Magic:
Pg:Jeff Teague/Mo Willaims
SG:Thorton/Henderson/Carter
SF:Deng/Marvin Williams/Carter/Odom
PF:Amare/Odom/Mullins
C:Magee/Mullins/Amare
Pretty solid and deep lineup if you ask me.
This is definitely my favorite Riah squad. I'm higher on Amare than most, and really like Deng and Teague. McGee is a knucklehead, and Odom is a total tossup, but there's a lot of talent on this team.
I just worry about fit / chemistry.
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Through 11
Cleveland Derps:
Projected starting line-up and rotations:
PG - Jeremy Lin / Jerryd Bayless / Derek Fisher
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy / (MKG)
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist / Harrison Barnes
PF - Kenneth Faried / Kenyon Martin / Jason Smith
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond / (Smith)
Roy, while listed at SG will be running point if he plays with Bayless.
Just me, but that's a pretty deep bench if you ask me. And this is assuming Roy is at least 70% of what he used to be, which is very plausible
Lottery team.
The best in their prime talent is a huge injury question mark.
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Rip it apart...I know I want to:
Boxers
PG: Russell Westbrook/Mario Chalmers/Jordan Farmar
SG: Stephen Curry/Gerald Green
SF: Wilson Chandler/Jonas Jerebko
PF: Donatas Montiejunas/Reggie Evans
C: Marcin Gortat/Jonas Valanciunas
A sure playoff team if there was one more vet, talented, big man.
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Complete team
The Pacers
PG Rondo
SG Bradley
SF Batum
PF Scola
C Monroe
bench
PG Hinrich
SG Beal
SG/SF Bell
SF/SG Pietrus
PF Landry
PF/C Seraphin
C/PF Kanter
C Kwame Brown
Coach : Danny Ainge
This team will play defense for sure. Does it have enough veteran presance and playoff experience to hold up on the playoffs?
I've never understood this theory. If you can play better than the other team, experience shouldn't really matter. Besides, Rondo has enough playoff games under his belt. Bradley, Batum, Scola, Hinrich, etc. have all been to the playoffs.
Good team, commish. Not a contending team... yet. But in a few years when Monroe develops, watch out.
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Complete team
The Pacers
PG Rondo
SG Bradley
SF Batum
PF Scola
C Monroe
bench
PG Hinrich
SG Beal
SG/SF Bell
SF/SG Pietrus
PF Landry
PF/C Seraphin
C/PF Kanter
C Kwame Brown
Coach : Danny Ainge
Nice team but who takes the last shot? beal?
Like I said earlier, let Rondo run the offense.
In the future, Beal should develop into that type of guy, but we have to be patient.
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Complete team
The Pacers
PG Rondo
SG Bradley
SF Batum
PF Scola
C Monroe
bench
PG Hinrich
SG Beal
SG/SF Bell
SF/SG Pietrus
PF Landry
PF/C Seraphin
C/PF Kanter
C Kwame Brown
Coach : Danny Ainge
This team will play defense for sure. Does it have enough veteran presance and playoff experience to hold up on the playoffs?
I've never understood this theory. If you can play better than the other team, experience shouldn't really matter. Besides, Rondo has enough playoff games under his belt. Bradley, Batum, Scola, Hinrich, etc. have all been to the playoffs.
Good team, commish. Not a contending team... yet. But in a few years when Monroe develops, watch out.
I'm a believer that experience matters. While I agree that playing well is what matters, I think that experience helps a team play well in high-pressure situations.
It doesn't mean that Finals experience is necessary to win -- look at our own big three -- but I think it helps.
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Okc thunder
Pg: Chauncey Billups/ Andre Miller
Sg: Courtney Lee/ Jamal Crawford
Sf: Caron Butler/ Rashard Lewis
Pf: Serge Ibaka/ Antawn Jamison
C: Andrew Bynum / Chris Kaman
New thunder comments?
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Okc thunder
Pg: Chauncey Billups/ Andre Miller
Sg: Courtney Lee/ Jamal Crawford
Sf: Caron Butler/ Rashard Lewis
Pf: Serge Ibaka/ Antawn Jamison
C: Andrew Bynum / Chris Kaman
New thunder comments?
Well, I just lost a hundred plus words due to an errant keystroke, so I'm not so inclined to try it all again now.
SF rotation needs work. Shard is more a 4 these days.
Strong big man rotation. Bynum is still a physical force, Gasol had a more complementary skill set.
Bench needs athleticism and defense on wings. If everyone returns to/stays healthy, a tough veteran squad come playoff time.
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Stephen Curry
Kevin Martin
Gerald Wallace
Pau Gasol
DeAndre Jordan
Bench:
Lou Williams
JR Smith
Wilson Chandler
DeJuan Blair
Greg Stiemsma
Steve Novak
Greivis Vasquez
Matt Bonner
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Stephen Curry
Kevin Martin
Gerald Wallace
Pau Gasol
DeAndre Jordan
Bench:
Lou Williams
JR Smith
Wilson Chandler
DeJuan Blair
Greg Stiemsma
Steve Novak
Greivis Vasquez
Matt Bonner
The starting five is interesting, but I think it works. Curry gives you a PG who, I hope, can get his teammates the ball, especially Martin and Gasol.
If Jordan can progress as a defender, I think the frontline could be quite good defensively.
Seems like an overabundance of three-point specialists on the bench. Might move one for a defensive specialist, I don't know. What;s the nine-man rotation?
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Stephen Curry
Kevin Martin
Gerald Wallace
Pau Gasol
DeAndre Jordan
Bench:
Lou Williams
JR Smith
Wilson Chandler
DeJuan Blair
Greg Stiemsma
Steve Novak
Greivis Vasquez
Matt Bonner
This is a really solid starting 5 but are curry and Martin good defensively ?
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Okc thunder
Pg: Chauncey Billups/ Andre Miller
Sg: Courtney Lee/ Jamal Crawford
Sf: Caron Butler/ Rashard Lewis
Pf: Serge Ibaka/ Antawn Jamison
C: Andrew Bynum / Chris Kaman
New thunder comments?
Andrew Bynum and Serge Ibaka is an absolutely sensational defensive combination. That must be the best defensive big man duo in the league.
The starters on the perimeter look weak though. Andrew Bynum is more of a second option offensively than a first option at this stage of his career. A lack of quality shot-creation outside of Bynum.
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Stephen Curry
Kevin Martin
Gerald Wallace
Pau Gasol
DeAndre Jordan
Bench:
Lou Williams
JR Smith
Wilson Chandler
DeJuan Blair
Greg Stiemsma
Steve Novak
Greivis Vasquez
Matt Bonner
The starting five is interesting, but I think it works. Curry gives you a PG who, I hope, can get his teammates the ball, especially Martin and Gasol.
If Jordan can progress as a defender, I think the frontline could be quite good defensively.
Seems like an overabundance of three-point specialists on the bench. Might move one for a defensive specialist, I don't know. What;s the nine-man rotation?
well we already sent away redick so i'd say our shooters are good enough, jordan gets 2 blocks a game so he does have some defense this will probably be our team coming off the bench
Greivis Vasquez/ Lou Williams
Lou Williams/J.R. Smith
Wilson Chandler
Steve Novak/DeJuan Blair
Greg Stiemsma/Matt Bonner
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Stephen Curry
Kevin Martin
Gerald Wallace
Pau Gasol
DeAndre Jordan
Bench:
Lou Williams
JR Smith
Wilson Chandler
DeJuan Blair
Greg Stiemsma
Steve Novak
Greivis Vasquez
Matt Bonner
PG - Stephen Curry, Lou Williams
SG - Kevin Martin, Lou Williams
SF - Gerald Wallace, Wilson Chandler
PF - Pau Gasol, (Gerald Wallace)
C - DeAndre Jordan, (Pau Gasol)
I would say that is their main rotation. A regular seven man rotation with some situational subs brought in for specific matchups. Blair if you need a banger in the paint. Novak if you need a shooting big. Stiemsma if you need more shot-blocking alongside Gasol while DeAndre rests. Vasquez if you need a bigger ball-handler because Lou Will is struggling defensively against a bigger guard.
Hmm, I left out JR Smith. Oversight.
Nope, I can't fit JR Smith in. It would hurt the team more than it would help them. Too bad. JR Smith is very talented backup SG. But Lou Williams and Wilson Chandler are more talented than him so they take priority.
It might be worth trying to trade JR Smith for an above average backup big man. Get a better player in there behind Pau Gasol and ahead of your other bench bigs.
PG - Vasquez
SG - JR Smith
SF - Novak
PF - Blair, Bonner
C - Stiemsma,
Lots of talent there deep on the bench too. Very good team.
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Stephen Curry
Kevin Martin
Gerald Wallace
Pau Gasol
DeAndre Jordan
Bench:
Lou Williams
JR Smith
Wilson Chandler
DeJuan Blair
Greg Stiemsma
Steve Novak
Greivis Vasquez
Matt Bonner
PG - Stephen Curry, Lou Williams
SG - Kevin Martin, Lou Williams
SF - Gerald Wallace, Wilson Chandler
PF - Pau Gasol, (Gerald Wallace)
C - DeAndre Jordan, (Pau Gasol)
I would say that is their main rotation. A regular seven man rotation with some situational subs brought in for specific matchups. Blair if you need a banger in the paint. Novak if you need a shooting big. Stiemsma if you need more shot-blocking alongside Gasol while DeAndre rests. Vasquez if you need a bigger ball-handler because Lou Will is struggling defensively against a bigger guard.
Hmm, I left out JR Smith. Oversight.
Nope, I can't fit JR Smith in. It would hurt the team more than it would help them. Too bad. JR Smith is very talented backup SG. But Lou Williams and Wilson Chandler are more talented than him so they take priority.
It might be worth trying to trade JR Smith for an above average backup big man. Get a better player in there behind Pau Gasol and ahead of your other bench bigs.
PG - Vasquez
SG - JR Smith
SF - Novak
PF - Blair, Bonner
C - Stiemsma,
Lots of talent there deep on the bench too. Very good team.
thanks man and yea we are probably going to have like an 8 man rotation and just have the rest play like 10 minutes a game and well come playoffs im going to focus on the matchups
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Stephen Curry
Kevin Martin
Gerald Wallace
Pau Gasol
DeAndre Jordan
Bench:
Lou Williams
JR Smith
Wilson Chandler
DeJuan Blair
Greg Stiemsma
Steve Novak
Greivis Vasquez
Matt Bonner
This is a really solid starting 5 but are curry and Martin good defensively ?
Curry is good martin is average
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Kevin Martin has been the worst starting defensive SG in the league the last couple of years.
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Kevin Martin has been the worst starting defensive SG in the league the last couple of years.
Kevin Martin is offended by your comment :)
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New look after today's picks and trade:
PG: Chris Paul/Luke Ridnour/(Foye)
SG: Wesley Matthews/Landry Fields/Randy Foye
SF: Danny Granger/Chase Budinger
PF: Ersan Ilyasova/Amir Johnson/Royce White
C: Nene/Jordan Hill
One pick remaining. We have a 7-foot rebounding center in mind, and will probably take him unless someone feels there's another type of player we should target.
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Stephen Curry
Kevin Martin
Gerald Wallace
Pau Gasol
DeAndre Jordan
Bench:
Lou Williams
JR Smith
Wilson Chandler
DeJuan Blair
Greg Stiemsma
Steve Novak
Greivis Vasquez
Matt Bonner
PG - Stephen Curry, Lou Williams
SG - Kevin Martin, Lou Williams
SF - Gerald Wallace, Wilson Chandler
PF - Pau Gasol, (Gerald Wallace)
C - DeAndre Jordan, (Pau Gasol)
I would say that is their main rotation. A regular seven man rotation with some situational subs brought in for specific matchups. Blair if you need a banger in the paint. Novak if you need a shooting big. Stiemsma if you need more shot-blocking alongside Gasol while DeAndre rests. Vasquez if you need a bigger ball-handler because Lou Will is struggling defensively against a bigger guard.
Hmm, I left out JR Smith. Oversight.
Nope, I can't fit JR Smith in. It would hurt the team more than it would help them. Too bad. JR Smith is very talented backup SG. But Lou Williams and Wilson Chandler are more talented than him so they take priority.
It might be worth trying to trade JR Smith for an above average backup big man. Get a better player in there behind Pau Gasol and ahead of your other bench bigs.
PG - Vasquez
SG - JR Smith
SF - Novak
PF - Blair, Bonner
C - Stiemsma,
Lots of talent there deep on the bench too. Very good team.
Not a fan of a team where pau gasol is the best player and leader on a team. That situation was 0-12 in the playoffs in Memphis.
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Stephen Curry
Kevin Martin
Gerald Wallace
Pau Gasol
DeAndre Jordan
Bench:
Lou Williams
JR Smith
Wilson Chandler
DeJuan Blair
Greg Stiemsma
Steve Novak
Greivis Vasquez
Matt Bonner
PG - Stephen Curry, Lou Williams
SG - Kevin Martin, Lou Williams
SF - Gerald Wallace, Wilson Chandler
PF - Pau Gasol, (Gerald Wallace)
C - DeAndre Jordan, (Pau Gasol)
I would say that is their main rotation. A regular seven man rotation with some situational subs brought in for specific matchups. Blair if you need a banger in the paint. Novak if you need a shooting big. Stiemsma if you need more shot-blocking alongside Gasol while DeAndre rests. Vasquez if you need a bigger ball-handler because Lou Will is struggling defensively against a bigger guard.
Hmm, I left out JR Smith. Oversight.
Nope, I can't fit JR Smith in. It would hurt the team more than it would help them. Too bad. JR Smith is very talented backup SG. But Lou Williams and Wilson Chandler are more talented than him so they take priority.
It might be worth trying to trade JR Smith for an above average backup big man. Get a better player in there behind Pau Gasol and ahead of your other bench bigs.
PG - Vasquez
SG - JR Smith
SF - Novak
PF - Blair, Bonner
C - Stiemsma,
Lots of talent there deep on the bench too. Very good team.
Not a fan of a team where pau gasol is the best player and leader on a team. That situation was 0-12 in the playoffs in Memphis.
Thanks for the compliment :)
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New look after today's picks and trade:
PG: Chris Paul/Luke Ridnour/(Foye)
SG: Wesley Matthews/Landry Fields/Randy Foye
SF: Danny Granger/Chase Budinger
PF: Ersan Ilyasova/Amir Johnson/Royce White
C: Nene/Jordan Hill
One pick remaining. We have a 7-foot rebounding center in mind, and will probably take him unless someone feels there's another type of player we should target.
Fire Nate McMillan + hire Mike D'Antoni ??
Play run and gun style like the old Suns with Chris Paul in Steve Nash's place.
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New look after today's picks and trade:
PG: Chris Paul/Luke Ridnour/(Foye)
SG: Wesley Matthews/Landry Fields/Randy Foye
SF: Danny Granger/Chase Budinger
PF: Ersan Ilyasova/Amir Johnson/Royce White
C: Nene/Jordan Hill
One pick remaining. We have a 7-foot rebounding center in mind, and will probably take him unless someone feels there's another type of player we should target.
Fire Nate McMillan + hire Mike D'Antoni ??
Play run and gun style like the old Suns with Chris Paul in Steve Nash's place.
How about we hire that other coach we were thinking of as an assistant? I like Nate too much to hand him walking papers so soon after hiring him.
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New look after today's picks and trade:
PG: Chris Paul/Luke Ridnour/(Foye)
SG: Wesley Matthews/Landry Fields/Randy Foye
SF: Danny Granger/Chase Budinger
PF: Ersan Ilyasova/Amir Johnson/Royce White
C: Nene/Jordan Hill
One pick remaining. We have a 7-foot rebounding center in mind, and will probably take him unless someone feels there's another type of player we should target.
Fire Nate McMillan + hire Mike D'Antoni ??
Play run and gun style like the old Suns with Chris Paul in Steve Nash's place.
How about we hire that other coach we were thinking of as an assistant? I like Nate too much to hand him walking papers so soon after hiring him.
No, I don't think roster suits the other guy. Perfect for D'Antoni though.
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Are we the favorites to win the southeast?
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Are we the favorites to win the southeast?
Atlanta still has a very strong team.
Who else is in the division? I have no idea who is in what division these days.
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Are we the favorites to win the southeast?
Atlanta still has a very strong team.
Who else is in the division? I have no idea who is in what division these days.
Orlando (riah32) and Miami (RIPRED)
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Are we the favorites to win the southeast?
Post your new roster in the roster thread.
It may take a while, but if everyone could do so, comparisons will be much easier.
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Are we the favorites to win the southeast?
Atlanta still has a very strong team.
Who else is in the division? I have no idea who is in what division these days.
yea i think it is between us and them but i feel like our depth will win it for us since they dont have much depth
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Through 11
Cleveland Derps:
Projected starting line-up and rotations:
PG - Jeremy Lin / Jerryd Bayless / Derek Fisher
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy / (MKG)
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist / Harrison Barnes
PF - Kenneth Faried / Kenyon Martin / Jason Smith
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond / (Smith)[/size
Roy, while listed at SG will be running point if he plays with Bayless.
Just me, but that's a pretty deep bench if you ask me. And this is assuming Roy is at least 70% of what he used to be, which is very plausible
Lottery team.
The best in their prime talent is a huge injury question mark.
That's looking at the injury thing glass half empty. How about looking at it half full?
Roy is obviously cleared to play. An although without explosion, he's still a better SG than most of them coming off the bench. Bogut never had recurring injuries, and when healthy, is a 15/10/2 blocks guy, top 5 center easily.
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Through 11
Cleveland Derps:
Projected starting line-up and rotations:
PG - Jeremy Lin / Jerryd Bayless / Derek Fisher
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy / (MKG)
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist / Harrison Barnes
PF - Kenneth Faried / Kenyon Martin / Jason Smith
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond / (Smith)[/size
Roy, while listed at SG will be running point if he plays with Bayless.
Just me, but that's a pretty deep bench if you ask me. And this is assuming Roy is at least 70% of what he used to be, which is very plausible
Lottery team.
The best in their prime talent is a huge injury question mark.
That's looking at the injury thing glass half empty. How about looking at it half full?
Roy is obviously cleared to play. An although without explosion, he's still a better SG than most of them coming off the bench. Bogut never had recurring injuries, and when healthy, is a 15/10/2 blocks guy, top 5 center easily.
I am not talking about Roy. He is done.
I was talking about Bogut.
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Through 11
Cleveland Derps:
Projected starting line-up and rotations:
PG - Jeremy Lin / Jerryd Bayless / Derek Fisher
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy / (MKG)
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist / Harrison Barnes
PF - Kenneth Faried / Kenyon Martin / Jason Smith
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond / (Smith)[/size
Roy, while listed at SG will be running point if he plays with Bayless.
Just me, but that's a pretty deep bench if you ask me. And this is assuming Roy is at least 70% of what he used to be, which is very plausible
Lottery team.
The best in their prime talent is a huge injury question mark.
That's looking at the injury thing glass half empty. How about looking at it half full?
Roy is obviously cleared to play. An although without explosion, he's still a better SG than most of them coming off the bench. Bogut never had recurring injuries, and when healthy, is a 15/10/2 blocks guy, top 5 center easily.
I am not talking about Roy. He is done.
I was talking about Bogut.
Okay fair enough. Still, same argument Commish, he had really bad breaks (no pun intended) but never had a nagging injury here in there. It's not that he always injures the same body part. he's not Amare with a nagging back problem or Bynum from a couple years ago with recurring knee injuries. Bogut's injury history and therefore label him as "injury prone" is understandable, but again, they are not recurring. The risk I believe for Bogut on injuries is not as high as most people think.
And when, not if, he's healthy, he's one of the top centers in the league.
Oh and jury is not out on Roy, last time he played he was productive for limited minutes, that's before the treatment he got, whatever it was. While I know the risk is very high, to call him done right away is probably not correct.
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The Dubs
Head coach: Jerry Sloan
Trying out some different front court looks.
SG Manu Ginobili/ Delonte West
SG Klay Thompson
Point Forward Andre Iguodala
PF Mirza Teletovic/ Darrell Arthur
C Anthony Davis/ Channing Frye/ Bismack Biyombo
OR
PF Anthony Davis
C Darrell Arthur
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The Dubs
Head coach: Jerry Sloan
Trying out some different front court looks.
SG Manu Ginobili/ Delonte West
SG Klay Thompson
Point Forward Andre Iguodala
PF Mirza Teletovic/ Darrell Arthur
C Anthony Davis/ Channing Frye/ Bismack Biyombo
OR
PF Anthony Davis
C Darrell Arthur
I can't imagine starting two first-year players will do much good for Sloan's blood pressure.
Assuming he still has blood. Perhaps it's embalming fluid at this point.
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The Dubs
Head coach: Jerry Sloan
Trying out some different front court looks.
SG Manu Ginobili/ Delonte West
SG Klay Thompson
Point Forward Andre Iguodala
PF Mirza Teletovic/ Darrell Arthur
C Anthony Davis/ Channing Frye/ Bismack Biyombo
OR
PF Anthony Davis
C Darrell Arthur
PG: Delonte West, (TBD)
SG: Manu Ginobili, Klay Thompson
SF: Andre Iguodala, Mirza Teletovic
PF: Channing Frye, Darrell Arthur
C: Anthony Davis, Bismack Biyombo
I am not seeing the advantage in starting Manu, Klay and Iggy together on the perimeter. Neither Klay or Manu is a good defensive option at PG. Having Iggy defend the point takes him off the wing. Klay Thompson is a non-rebounder so you are not getting an advantage on the boards either.
Offensively, neither Manu or Klay have a power game (post up play, out-muscling smaller guys on drives, general physical basketball). Most teams will probably put their PG on Klay Thompson. I have never seen him in the post. Not a great ball-handler. I think opponents will be able to hide their PG fairly effectively on him. Some extra height/length there on his shot-release which is good ... but in the overall picture, seems fairly minor.
I don't see the advantage in starting the three guys together. I think you are better off starting Delonte West who is a better defender/rebounder at PG and gives you an extra ball-handler / passer who will allow Manu and Iggy to play the roles they are most accustomed to.
I can't consider Frye or D.Arthur centers alongside a guy like Anthony Davis. Conceptually, that just seems wrong to me. Davis is the very definition of a center and Frye + Arthur are the definition of a big forward. So I would list it like that.
With your final two picks, I'd love to see you add another PG + a big bodied center. Someone with legitimate size and physical power - preferably a seven footer with 260+lbs of heft. Someone like that will be useful from time to time for your smaller front-line.
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The Dubs
Head coach: Jerry Sloan
Trying out some different front court looks.
SG Manu Ginobili/ Delonte West
SG Klay Thompson
Point Forward Andre Iguodala
PF Mirza Teletovic/ Darrell Arthur
C Anthony Davis/ Channing Frye/ Bismack Biyombo
OR
PF Anthony Davis
C Darrell Arthur
Sloan without a PG? Makes no sense.
He has a system. Your team is not made for that system.
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Utah Jazz
PG: Deron Williams, Rodney Stuckey
SG: Gordon Hayward, (Stuckey)
SF: Danilo Gallinari, Ronnie Brewer
PF: Zach Randolph, Andrei Kirilenko
C: Omer Asik, (Z.Randolph)
Rest of Bench: Will Bynum (dribble penetration scorer/playmaker PG), Anthony Morrow (high level jump-shooter and floor spacer), Boris Diaw (skilled PF with girth) Kosta Koufos (power based center), Chris Andersen (mobile shot-blocker)
Head Coach: Stan Van Gundy
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Utah Jazz
PG: Deron Williams, Rodney Stuckey
SG: Gordon Hayward, (Stuckey)
SF: Danilo Gallinari, Ronnie Brewer
PF: Zach Randolph, Andrei Kirilenko
C: Omer Asik, (Z.Randolph)
Rest of Bench: Will Bynum (creative PG), Anthony Morrow (floor spacer), Boris Diaw (skilled PF with girth) Kosta Koufos (power based center), Chris Andersen (mobile shot-blocker)
Head Coach: Stan Van Gundy
I dig it, your Deron, gallinari, randolph combo works well together. I havent watched enough of Hayward to have a strong evaluation either way, but i understand hes pretty soli.
My only question is how do you think you matchup with teams that have some of the better scoring centers in the league? Do you think Asik's lack of offensive prowess will hurt you?
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Utah Jazz
PG: Deron Williams, Rodney Stuckey
SG: Gordon Hayward, (Stuckey)
SF: Danilo Gallinari, Ronnie Brewer
PF: Zach Randolph, Andrei Kirilenko
C: Omer Asik, (Z.Randolph)
Rest of Bench: Will Bynum (creative PG), Anthony Morrow (floor spacer), Boris Diaw (skilled PF with girth) Kosta Koufos (power based center), Chris Andersen (mobile shot-blocker)
Head Coach: Stan Van Gundy
I like this team a lot. Obviously, Deron needs to improve his defense back to where it was in Utah; he's been atrocious in New Jersey. I also have some questions about how poorly Randolph played last year, and about whether Asik can be a starting center.
It's a well-constructed team, though. I like a strong defender next to Randolph, and I like the two-man game that Deron and Randolph will play. I also like the bench, at least in terms of Morrow, Diaw, and Anderson.
Your team is definitely in the upper tier in the West. I'd put them behind Dallas and LA, but nobody else jumps out as being clearly better.
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Utah Jazz
PG: Deron Williams, Rodney Stuckey
SG: Gordon Hayward, (Stuckey)
SF: Danilo Gallinari, Ronnie Brewer
PF: Zach Randolph, Andrei Kirilenko
C: Omer Asik, (Z.Randolph)
Rest of Bench: Will Bynum (creative PG), Anthony Morrow (floor spacer), Boris Diaw (skilled PF with girth) Kosta Koufos (power based center), Chris Andersen (mobile shot-blocker)
Head Coach: Stan Van Gundy
I dig it, your Deron, gallinari, randolph combo works well together. I havent watched enough of Hayward to have a strong evaluation either way, but i understand hes pretty soli.
My only question is how do you think you matchup with teams that have some of the better scoring centers in the league? Do you think Asik's lack of offensive prowess will hurt you?
Asik is a very strong defender / rebounder with terrific physical size / toughness. He is a very good defensive matchup against the top (interior) scoring centers in the league. I am very comfortable with Asik those matchups. I'll leave him to play one-on-one in the post against those guys. No double-teams.
Asik's lack of offensive ability ... yeah, I thought that was an important issue so I tried to find a way to counter-balance in other areas of my team.
That was one of the main reasons why (1) I was reluctant to start a limited offensive player [R.Brewer] on the wing and instead opted for two wings [Gallo, Hayward] with good offensive ability alongside Z-Bo and Deron Williams, and, (2) a skilled PF (Kirilenko) who could come in a play alongside Z-Bo and give the offense a boost where necessary.
I expect Kirilenko and Z-Randolph to be my big man duo that finishes games most of the time with Asik checking in when I need a defensive center. Or maybe Diaw if I want someone with more bulk than Kirilenko defensively while keeping an offensive threat there alongside Z-Randolph.
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Who,
I'm very curious to know - how will Kirlenko fit into this team as a sub after being THE guy in the Euro's last year? How much do you anticipate sliding Randolph to the 5 and playing both Galinari and Kirlenko together - if at all?
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Phoenix Suns
1. Steve Nash/Andre Miller
2. Jason Richardson/Jamal Crawford
3. Tayshaun Prince/John Salmons
4. Kevin Love/Antawn Jamison
5. Joakim Noah/Tristan Thompson/Ekpe Udoh
Completely different bench, now. NO MORE FAT JOKES! NO MORE FAT JOKES!
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Who,
I'm very curious to know - how will Kirlenko fit into this team as a sub after being THE guy in the Euro's last year? How much do you anticipate sliding Randolph to the 5 and playing both Galinari and Kirlenko together - if at all?
How much they play together will fluctuate but ideally:
C: Asik (26-28mpg), Z.Randolph (20mpg)
PF: Z.Randolph (18mpg), Kirilenko (30mpg)
Something like that.
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I love Omer Asik and Andrei Kirilenko together. I think they will work wonderfully well and be a monster of a combination defensively.
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Against bigger teams, Kirilenko's playing time at PF could decline either with a center (either Koufos or C.Andersen) coming in or with Diaw (a bigger body defensively at PF) where appropriate.
Say
C: Asik (26-28mpg), K.Koufos (12mpg), Z.Randolph (10mpg)
PF: Z.Randolph (28mpg), Kirilenko (20mpg)
SF: Gallinari (33mpg), Kirilenko (10-15mpg)
Or
C: Asik (26-28mpg), Z.Randolph (20mpg)
PF: Z.Randolph (18mpg), B.Diaw (20mpg), Kirilenko (10mpg)
SF: Gallinari (33mpg), Kirilenko (10-15mpg)
With Kirilenko likely dumping R.Brewer out of the picture (at SF) when Diaw plays.
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I like Gallinari and Kirilenko together. I think they'd work very well together. That is my favourite SF-PF partnership for Kirilenko. Firs choice combo.
After Gallo, it depends on matchups and whether Asik is on the floor. It could be a defensive guy like R.Brewer or I could slide Hayward over to SF with Stuckey or Morrow playing SG.
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I have no concerns about Kirilenko accepting a smaller role after being the main man in Europe. He has always been a team-orientated player and his style of play naturally helps him blend into the team makeup.
The role he would play would be similar (albeit in a reserve role) to the one he had in Utah prior to Boozer/Okur arriving + exactly the same as he 6th man role he had a few years ago while Boozer or Millsap was out injured where he was very effective. The role I wanted Utah to create for him full-time but chose not to do and instead kept him as a starting SF where he was less effective.
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Utah Jazz
PG: Deron Williams, Rodney Stuckey
SG: Gordon Hayward, (Stuckey)
SF: Danilo Gallinari, Ronnie Brewer
PF: Zach Randolph, Andrei Kirilenko
C: Omer Asik, (Z.Randolph)
Rest of Bench: Will Bynum (dribble penetration scorer/playmaker PG), Anthony Morrow (high level jump-shooter and floor spacer), Boris Diaw (skilled PF with girth) Kosta Koufos (power based center), Chris Andersen (mobile shot-blocker)
Head Coach: Stan Van Gundy
Extremely versatile lineup, lots of different combinations possible, as has been discussed.
Some minor questions:
1. Is Ronnie Brewer capable of guarding long 3s? Is Kirilenko still quick enough? That may be my only quibble with the SF rotation. Although Hayward could probably play the 3 as well, so it's probably not even a concern.
2. I always thought Bynum was more a scorer than a passer (despite the fact that he racked up 20 assists in a game for the Pistons in recent memory). Stuckey also strikes me as a scoring guard, rather than a playmaker. I guess I'd rather see a "pure point" somewhere in the PG rotation, but considering how many minutes Deron will play, again, it's a minor concern.
I don't know how this team stacks up against the other Western powers, or even within your division, but I have a hard time envisioning a team out West could be significantly better that yours. Excellent squad.
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Alrighty brand new knicks team to roll out!
WestBrook/D.J. Augustin
Brooks/Brewer/Rivers
Leonard/Brewer
Blake/BBD
Perk/Mozgov
Head Coach tom thibodeau
Effective defensive team with Tommy T at the head and great PG and SF defenders in Leonard and Westbrook. Plus offense is potent with 1 2 punch of Russel and Blake. Along with scoring ability of Marshon and Leonard spotting up and cutting. BBD is our man off the bench and we can go small with D.J. in at pg and russel at the 2 at certain times of the game.
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Alrighty brand new knicks team to roll out!
WestBrook/D.J. Augustin
Brooks/Brewer/Rivers
Leonard/Brewer
Blake/BBD
Perk/Mozgov
Head Coach tom thibodeau
Effective defensive team with Tommy T at the head and great PG and SF defenders in Leonard and Westbrook. Plus offense is potent with 1 2 punch of Russel and Blake. Along with scoring ability of Marshon and Leonard spotting up and cutting. BBD is our man off the bench and we can go small with D.J. in at pg and russel at the 2 at certain times of the game.
Don't like the idea of a Westbrook/Brooks backcourt. Don't like the combination of the two.
Marshon Brooks shouldn't be starting.
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Alrighty brand new knicks team to roll out!
WestBrook/D.J. Augustin
Brooks/Brewer/Rivers
Leonard/Brewer
Blake/BBD
Perk/Mozgov
Head Coach tom thibodeau
Effective defensive team with Tommy T at the head and great PG and SF defenders in Leonard and Westbrook. Plus offense is potent with 1 2 punch of Russel and Blake. Along with scoring ability of Marshon and Leonard spotting up and cutting. BBD is our man off the bench and we can go small with D.J. in at pg and russel at the 2 at certain times of the game.
Don't like the idea of a Westbrook/Brooks backcourt. Don't like the combination of the two.
Marshon Brooks shouldn't be starting.
Well that is the one of the choices we are having trouble making may start Corey Brewer at the 2 brings better defense.
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Alrighty brand new knicks team to roll out!
WestBrook/D.J. Augustin
Brooks/Brewer/Rivers
Leonard/Brewer
Blake/BBD
Perk/Mozgov
Head Coach tom thibodeau
Effective defensive team with Tommy T at the head and great PG and SF defenders in Leonard and Westbrook. Plus offense is potent with 1 2 punch of Russel and Blake. Along with scoring ability of Marshon and Leonard spotting up and cutting. BBD is our man off the bench and we can go small with D.J. in at pg and russel at the 2 at certain times of the game.
Love Kawhi Leonard.
So that's MarShon Brooks in the starting lineup? With Corey Brewer backing him up? I don't like either as a starter, although gun to head, I'd vote for Corey. If you could combine the two into a decent two-way SG who will knock down the occasional shot, can pass and defend, the starting lineup would look that much better.
Actually, I don't care much for anyone on that bench, although that's probably a function of having to create one late in the draft. Rivers and Augustin seem redundant. Davis could be fine as a bench scorer. I really don't know what to make of Mozgov. He'll need to play ~25 minutes a night. Can he?
Still some work to do. Getting better, but depth and SG play are still issues.
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Alrighty brand new knicks team to roll out!
WestBrook/D.J. Augustin
Brooks/Brewer/Rivers
Leonard/Brewer
Blake/BBD
Perk/Mozgov
Head Coach tom thibodeau
Effective defensive team with Tommy T at the head and great PG and SF defenders in Leonard and Westbrook. Plus offense is potent with 1 2 punch of Russel and Blake. Along with scoring ability of Marshon and Leonard spotting up and cutting. BBD is our man off the bench and we can go small with D.J. in at pg and russel at the 2 at certain times of the game.
Love Kawhi Leonard.
So that's MarShon Brooks in the starting lineup? With Corey Brewer backing him up? I don't like either as a starter, although gun to head, I'd vote for Corey. If you could combine the two into a decent two-way SG who will knock down the occasional shot, can pass and defend, the starting lineup would look that much better.
Actually, I don't care much for anyone on that bench, although that's probably a function of having to create one late in the draft. Rivers and Augustin seem redundant. Davis could be fine as a bench scorer. I really don't know what to make of Mozgov. He'll need to play ~25 minutes a night. Can he?
Still some work to do. Getting better, but depth and SG play are still issues.
We feel mozgov can play some big minutes. He avg. 5ppg 4rpg in 15 mintues and a block we feel if he can add in 7 more minutes he can give us somewhere around 8 and 5 and a block
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Forgot Maggette can provide scoring punch of the bench.
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To be honest all players drafted and traded to by the co gms of Dallas send greatfull letters of thank you. And happiness. In that team you can feel the love.Banner No 2. Here we come
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Utah Jazz
PG: Deron Williams, Rodney Stuckey
SG: Gordon Hayward, (Stuckey)
SF: Danilo Gallinari, Ronnie Brewer
PF: Zach Randolph, Andrei Kirilenko
C: Omer Asik, (Z.Randolph)
Rest of Bench: Will Bynum (dribble penetration scorer/playmaker PG), Anthony Morrow (high level jump-shooter and floor spacer), Boris Diaw (skilled PF with girth) Kosta Koufos (power based center), Chris Andersen (mobile shot-blocker)
Head Coach: Stan Van Gundy
Extremely versatile lineup, lots of different combinations possible, as has been discussed.
Some minor questions:
1. Is Ronnie Brewer capable of guarding long 3s? Is Kirilenko still quick enough? That may be my only quibble with the SF rotation. Although Hayward could probably play the 3 as well, so it's probably not even a concern.
2. I always thought Bynum was more a scorer than a passer (despite the fact that he racked up 20 assists in a game for the Pistons in recent memory). Stuckey also strikes me as a scoring guard, rather than a playmaker. I guess I'd rather see a "pure point" somewhere in the PG rotation, but considering how many minutes Deron will play, again, it's a minor concern.
I don't know how this team stacks up against the other Western powers, or even within your division, but I have a hard time envisioning a team out West could be significantly better that yours. Excellent squad.
Yeah, I thought Ronnie Brewer did a great job in Chicago defensively at small forward. Both playing behind Luol Deng and as a starter when Deng missed some games. So I am happy with him against SFs. I think R.Brewer has really developed himself into an elite stopper on the wing.
As for Kirilenko, I don't consider him a stopper on the wing. More of a high level team defender who can play solid man-to-man defense. So R.Brewer would be first choice as a stopper and Kirilenko second choice.
The backup PG slot -- that was intentional. Deron Williams is a fantastic passer so I felt comfortable with a lesser passer behind him. Plus, I wanted a scoring PG who could both play behind and alongside Deron Williams as my primary backup (combo) guard. To get him more minutes and allow him to play a larger role. Rodney Stuckey filled that bill.
I felt another playmaking PG wouldn't have fit as well alongside Deron in the backcourt -- it would have forced Deron off the ball, or, the playmaking backup PG would ended up off the ball himself. In both scenarios, I thought there would have been a drop-off (diminishing returns). Needed a guy who offered something different to Deron Williams and Stuckey I think provides that.
And I absolutely love Will Bynum as a ball-dominant third string PG who can come in and create for himself. He can change games with his explosive quickness and dribble penetration. Good pressure defender. A solid scorer and playmaker but a guy who is so ball-dominant that he struggles to let his teammates make plays (a bad quality for a regular rotation guy but something I can live with in a third string situational sub).
I think Will Bynum is probably the best third string PG in the NBA right now. Big fan.
Less enthusiastic about Will Bynum as a primary backup PG. His solo play can be quite irritating there. But it's a quality I enjoy in a third string PG ... since they only play infrequently and if you turn to one, you generally need someone who can step in immediately and make plays OR is a strong defender who won't hurt you too much offensively. Bynum is the first kind. Dooling the second kind. Those two players are my favourite type of third string PGs.
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Bynum is indeed really fun to watch. His devotes full energy and effort when he's in. And any time a guy that small takes it hard to the rack and dunks, you have to love it.
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Forgot Maggette can provide scoring punch of the bench.
Maggette isn't your problem..scoring isn't your problem.
Westbrook: Only 2 pgs in the league end a possession in an assist less frequently (as opposed to shooting, or turning the ball over). Westbrook is a pretty bad passer for a point guard.
Marshon Brooks: terrible passer
Corey Maggette: terrible passer for a SF, Epically terrible passer for a basketball player, mostly cuz he doesn't do it.
Blake Griffin: An okay passer for a PF, still learning
Perkins: below average passer for a C, terrible for a basketball player
You've got no ball movement.
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Forgot Maggette can provide scoring punch of the bench.
Yeah glenn davis is a nice piece here, but as others have been saying you might want to try and at least get into some lower-level trading.
Just a move or two to get you a role player that can help facilitate the offense. You've got some bigtime names, but you need to compliment them with some other pieces.
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Forgot Maggette can provide scoring punch of the bench.
Maggette isn't your problem..scoring isn't your problem.
Westbrook: Only 2 pgs in the league end a possession in a less frequently (as opposed to shooting, or turning the ball over). Westbrook is a pretty bad passer for a point guard.
Marshon Brooks: terrible passer
Corey Maggette: terrible passer for a SF, Epically terrible passer for a basketball player, mostly cuz he doesn't do it.
Blake Griffin: An okay passer for a PF, still learning
Perkins: below average passer for a C, terrible for a basketball player
You've got no ball movement.
Agreed.
See if you can scrape together whatever expendable assets you have to land a decent two-way SG who can help move the ball on offense.
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Alrighty brand new knicks team to roll out!
WestBrook/D.J. Augustin
Brooks/Brewer/Rivers
Leonard/Brewer
Blake/BBD
Perk/Mozgov
Head Coach tom thibodeau
Effective defensive team with Tommy T at the head and great PG and SF defenders in Leonard and Westbrook. Plus offense is potent with 1 2 punch of Russel and Blake. Along with scoring ability of Marshon and Leonard spotting up and cutting. BBD is our man off the bench and we can go small with D.J. in at pg and russel at the 2 at certain times of the game.
Don't like the idea of a Westbrook/Brooks backcourt. Don't like the combination of the two.
Marshon Brooks shouldn't be starting.
Well that is the one of the choices we are having trouble making may start Corey Brewer at the 2 brings better defense.
I wouldn't start Brewer.
I would either go with MarShon Brooks or slide Westbrook over to SG and start DJ Augustin. Get another ball-handler, passer and shooter into the lineup. Create more balance offensively.
I don't like moving Westbrook to the two but your current options are flawed in one way (Brewer can't shoot) or the other (M.Brooks can't play defense and is a high usage shot-taker for a role player) so it may end up being your best option. M.Brooks would be more effective as a bench scorer too.
Yes, I like that better.
PG - DJ Augustin, (Westbrook)
SG - Russell Westbrook, Marshon Brooks
SF - Kawhi Leonard, Corey Brewer, Corey Maggette
PF - Blake Griffin, Glen Davis
C - Kendrick Perkins, Timofey Mozgov
I don't know how to find an effective way to fit Maggette into that lineup with those type of offensive players. I think Maggette will end up doing more harm than good in your rotation. I would drop him from the rotation altogether and play Corey Brewer as my backup SF.
Or you could drop Brooks from the rotation and slide Brewer back to backup SG and allow Maggette to be your backup SF. I am at a loss how to fit both Maggette and Brooks into your team though.
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Who, what about Austin Rivers as the starting PG? Still too much of a high-usage player?
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Who, what about Austin Rivers as the starting PG? Still too much of a high-usage player?
It would be like watching two kids who want to play with the same toy, but neither is willing to share. Awesome, set it up.
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Who, what about Austin Rivers as the starting PG? Still too much of a high-usage player?
He is not ready. I wouldn't have him as a backup PG either.
Third string combo guard.
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Who, what about Austin Rivers as the starting PG? Still too much of a high-usage player?
It would be like watching two kids who want to play with the same toy, but neither is willing to share. Awesome, set it up.
So right. Russell would probably end up punching Austin in the mouth, repeatedly.
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Who, what about Austin Rivers as the starting PG? Still too much of a high-usage player?
He is not ready. I wouldn't have him as a backup PG either.
Third string combo guard.
Thats where he is staying no worries there.
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Sloan without a PG? Makes no sense.
He has a system. Your team is not made for that system.
Other than that Stockton and Williams stand out in your memory - and for good reason - what's your argument? I'd contend that one of the hallmarks of the flex offense is player roles that are closer to interchangeable. And I chose Sloan specifically because after drafting two great ball handling wing men and then BPA Klay Thompson, I didn't want to run a point guard dominated offense.
Who made some good arguments against my plan. But I'm still of the opinion that Iguodala is a player Sloan will love and a near perfect fit.
The simplest way to define the qualities of a good flex player is the ability to multitask. In the flex, each player on the floor is a screener and a screenee, a passer and a cutter, a guy who can make plays in a variety of ways by instantaneously reading the defense.
Golden State coach Jerry Sloan runs his flex offense through Iguodala, with staggered screens galore for Klay Thompson. (Fun Fact 1: Thompson ranks in the top 10 among all NBA players in screen play efficiency.) and off the ball cuts by Anthony Davis. (Fun Fact 2: Last year, in cut situations, Davis posted a PPP of 1.51, placing him in the top 4% of all college players, on a ridiculous 82.7% shooting.) Channing Frye gets his off pin downs and pick and pops, and is just generally a pain for opposing centers to guard.
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By way of further evidence take a look at Deron's last full season with the Jazz, 2009-10. He was assisted on 47% of his baskets. League average for a point guard is 37%. And most other great point guards, allowed to dominate the ball in pick and roll heavy action, score mostly unassisted. Nash was assisted on just 11% of his baskets that year. Paul on 12%, Westbrook on 20%, Parker on 29%.
This would also be one explanation if Deron's subpar shooting since joining the Nets is here to stay.
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THE DUBS
The beginnings of a bench.
SG Manu Ginobili/ Delonte West
SG Klay Thompson
Point Forward Andre Iguodala
PF Anthony Davis
C Channing Frye/ Bismack Biyombo
Tell me about Anthony Davis. Like, compare him to a player of similar tendencies you think he'll match his rookie year on offense, and the same on defense. I've watched him in college, but even the best rookies have an acclimation period. Where is Anthony Davis's baseline, potential notwithstanding.
Also someone explain to me why notwithstanding is one word, and not 3.
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Nickgata check pm
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After the trade:
Cleveland Derps:
Roster and projected rotations:
PG - Mario Chalmers / Jerryd Bayless / Derek Fisher
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Head Coach: Greg Popovich
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After the trade:
Cleveland Derps:
Roster and projected rotations:
PG - Mario Chalmers / Jerryd Bayless / Derek Fisher
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Head Coach: Greg Popovich
I think it was a very good trade for you.
I would look to add some more scoring punch, though, and a quality SF with size, who would allow Carmelo to slide over to PF for stretches.
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After the trade:
Cleveland Derps:
Roster and projected rotations:
PG - Mario Chalmers / Jerryd Bayless / Derek Fisher
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Head Coach: Greg Popovich
First, you really would have been soooo much better had you kept Monroe and Irving. Those were two top flight players.
Second, The carmello trade made you better
Third, Is jason smith the worst starting player in this league?
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After the trade:
Cleveland Derps:
Roster and projected rotations:
PG - Mario Chalmers / Jerryd Bayless / Derek Fisher
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Head Coach: Greg Popovich
You have the 2 most important 13th round choices ever made in this draft.
Needs:
1) A better passing PG
2) Depth at both wing positions (can be same guy)
3) Depth at both frontcourt positons (can be same guy).
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]Also someone explain to me why notwithstanding is one word, and not 3.
Nah, I got out of the game. Go back and take a look. Last summer I sweated over projecting Rubio's #s, siting professionals, explaining my optimism. Maybe you and Roy cracked a couple of jokes. I still got left out of the playoffs. Now Roy's trading for Rubio and you're asking me to project Anthony Davis, winner of every major collegiate honor, a national champion, Olympian at 19, consensus #1 pick. Fool me once.
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Third, Is jason smith the worst starting player in this league?
I think I'll take Smith over MarShon Brooks. Smith is a better two-way player.
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After the trade:
Cleveland Derps:
Roster and projected rotations:
PG - Mario Chalmers / Jerryd Bayless / Derek Fisher
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Head Coach: Greg Popovich
First, you really would have been soooo much better had you kept Monroe and Irving. Those were two top flight players.
Second, The carmello trade made you better
Third, Is jason smith the worst starting player in this league?
No he's not. He's a good interior defender and a good rebounder. He plays within himself and an underrated athlete. He played pretty well starting for New Orleans last season. And you know Pop likes his twin towers.
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Third, Is jason smith the worst starting player in this league?
I think I'll take Smith over MarShon Brooks. Smith is a better two-way player.
Forgot about brooks.
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After the trade:
Cleveland Derps:
Roster and projected rotations:
PG - Mario Chalmers / Jerryd Bayless / Derek Fisher
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Head Coach: Greg Popovich
You have the 2 most important 13th round choices ever made in this draft.
Needs:
1) A better passing PG
2) Depth at both wing positions (can be same guy)
3) Depth at both frontcourt positons (can be same guy).
I don't think Yoki can get the PG he needs here. Best to stick with Chalmers + Bayless.
I do think Yoki can get a rotation quality SG/SF + rotation quality PF. I have a couple of guys in mind who would work well there.
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Who Wins the Southeast divison, (IMO both are great teams)Wizards or Hawks?
Stephen Curry George Hill
Kevin Marin Kobe Bryant
Gerald Wallace Luc Mbah A Moute
Pau Gasol David West
DeAndre Jordan Tim Duncan
Bench:
Lou Williams Jason Kidd
J.R. Smith C.J. Miles
Wilson Chandler Grant Hill
Steve Novak Lavoy Allen
Greg Stiemsma Samuel Dalembert
Matt Bonner
DeJuan Blair
Greivis Vasquez
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Who Wins the Southeast divison, (IMO both are great teams)Wizards or Hawks?
Stephen Curry George Hill
Kevin Marin Kobe Bryant
Gerald Wallace Luc Mbah A Moute
Pau Gasol David West
DeAndre Jordan Tim Duncan
Bench:
Lou Williams Jason Kidd
J.R. Smith C.J. Miles
Wilson Chandler Grant Hill
Steve Novak Lavoy Allen
Greg Stiemsma Samuel Dalembert
Matt Bonner
DeJuan Blair
Greivis Vasquez
Hawks.
Better starting five. Veteran experience and one of the top half-court teams in the league.
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Who Wins the Southeast divison, (IMO both are great teams)Wizards or Hawks?
Stephen Curry George Hill
Kevin Marin Kobe Bryant
Gerald Wallace Luc Mbah A Moute
Pau Gasol David West
DeAndre Jordan Tim Duncan
Bench:
Lou Williams Jason Kidd
J.R. Smith C.J. Miles
Wilson Chandler Grant Hill
Steve Novak Lavoy Allen
Greg Stiemsma Samuel Dalembert
Matt Bonner
DeJuan Blair
Greivis Vasquez
Great matchup. I think in the regular season, the Hawks take this because 1) Curry's ankles and Martin's entire body are made of glass, and I don't think they'll hold up over 82 games; 2) I like Atlanta's experience and character better; and 3) I like the makeup of their bench.
In the playoffs, it could be a different story.
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Who Wins the Southeast divison, (IMO both are great teams)Wizards or Hawks?
Stephen Curry George Hill
Kevin Marin Kobe Bryant
Gerald Wallace Luc Mbah A Moute
Pau Gasol David West
DeAndre Jordan Tim Duncan
Bench:
Lou Williams Jason Kidd
J.R. Smith C.J. Miles
Wilson Chandler Grant Hill
Steve Novak Lavoy Allen
Greg Stiemsma Samuel Dalembert
Matt Bonner
DeJuan Blair
Greivis Vasquez
It's close. I would lean to the Hawks, assuming a) everyone stays healthy and b) they don't coast to conserve energy for the playoffs.
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]Also someone explain to me why notwithstanding is one word, and not 3.
Nah, I got out of the game. Go back and take a look. Last summer I sweated over projecting Rubio's #s, siting professionals, explaining my optimism. Maybe you and Roy cracked a couple of jokes. I still got left out of the playoffs. Now Roy's trading for Rubio and you're asking me to project Anthony Davis, winner of every major collegiate honor, a national champion, Olympian at 19, consensus #1 pick. Fool me once.
#1) You didn't even answer the actual question about notwithstanding?
#2) Because I didn't agree with you about Ricky Rubio, you think its pointless to try to tell me what to expect from a extremely talented 19 year old rookie? Weak. I might be a bit conventional about positions, and rookies at times, but you've got a few very accurate projections. I'm willing to listen, and kind of offended that you think I'm either too set in myways to give it an honest try, or too dumb to understand the implications you're making.
And that's with the hope that you don't think I'm so much of a jerk that I'd just ask a question so I can tell you you're wrong.
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Who Wins the Southeast divison, (IMO both are great teams)Wizards or Hawks?
Stephen Curry George Hill
Kevin Marin Kobe Bryant
Gerald Wallace Luc Mbah A Moute
Pau Gasol David West
DeAndre Jordan Tim Duncan
Bench:
Lou Williams Jason Kidd
J.R. Smith C.J. Miles
Wilson Chandler Grant Hill
Steve Novak Lavoy Allen
Greg Stiemsma Samuel Dalembert
Matt Bonner
DeJuan Blair
Greivis Vasquez
It's close. I would lean to the Hawks, assuming a) everyone stays healthy and b) they don't coast to conserve energy for the playoffs.
Dont Sleep on Orlando
Pg:Teague/Mo Williams/CJ Watson
SG:Thorton/Henderson/Vince Carter
SF:Deng/Marvin Williams
PF:Amare/Odom
C:Magee/Mullins
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]Also someone explain to me why notwithstanding is one word, and not 3.
Nah, I got out of the game. Go back and take a look. Last summer I sweated over projecting Rubio's #s, siting professionals, explaining my optimism. Maybe you and Roy cracked a couple of jokes. I still got left out of the playoffs. Now Roy's trading for Rubio and you're asking me to project Anthony Davis, winner of every major collegiate honor, a national champion, Olympian at 19, consensus #1 pick. Fool me once.
#1) You didn't even answer the actual question about notwithstanding?
#2) Because I didn't agree with you about Ricky Rubio, you think its pointless to try to tell me what to expect from a extremely talented 19 year old rookie? Weak. I might be a bit conventional about positions, and rookies at times, but you've got a few very accurate projections. I'm willing to listen, and kind of offended that you think I'm either too set in myways to give it an honest try, or too dumb to understand the implications you're making.
And that's with the hope that you don't think I'm so much of a jerk that I'd just ask a question so I can tell you you're wrong.
Also, unless Edgar is sending in trade proposals while on vacation, we didn't trade for Ricky Rubio. Of course, when Edgar has had a few too many Pina Coladas, anything is prone to happen.
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Who Wins the Southeast divison, (IMO both are great teams)Wizards or Hawks?
Stephen Curry George Hill
Kevin Marin Kobe Bryant
Gerald Wallace Luc Mbah A Moute
Pau Gasol David West
DeAndre Jordan Tim Duncan
Bench:
Lou Williams Jason Kidd
J.R. Smith C.J. Miles
Wilson Chandler Grant Hill
Steve Novak Lavoy Allen
Greg Stiemsma Samuel Dalembert
Matt Bonner
DeJuan Blair
Greivis Vasquez
It's close. I would lean to the Hawks, assuming a) everyone stays healthy and b) they don't coast to conserve energy for the playoffs.
Dont Sleep on Orlando
Pg:Teague/Mo Williams/CJ Watson
SG:Thorton/Henderson/Vince Carter
SF:Deng/Marvin Williams
PF:Amare/Odom
C:Magee/Mullins
Deep division. I haven't evaluated the league, but all three of these look like playoff teams to me.
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After another trade:
Cleveland Derps:
Roster and projected rotations:
PG - Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless / Derek Fisher
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Head Coach: Greg Popovich
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After another trade:
Cleveland Derps:
Roster and projected rotations:
PG - Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless / Derek Fisher
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Head Coach: Greg Popovich
Felton is probably a better fit, although he's a huge question mark. If you're getting NY Felton, you're in good shape. Charlotte Felton, and you're okay. Portland Felton, and there's probably nothing that Carmelo can do to save you.
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After another trade:
Cleveland Derps:
Roster and projected rotations:
PG - Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless / Derek Fisher
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Head Coach: Greg Popovich
Felton is probably a better fit, although he's a huge question mark. If you're getting NY Felton, you're in good shape. Charlotte Felton, and you're okay. Portland Felton, and there's probably nothing that Carmelo can do to save you.
Denver Felton is also to be avoided.
I think it was a good move.
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After another trade:
Cleveland Derps:
Roster and projected rotations:
PG - Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless / Derek Fisher
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Head Coach: Greg Popovich
Felton is probably a better fit, although he's a huge question mark. If you're getting NY Felton, you're in good shape. Charlotte Felton, and you're okay. Portland Felton, and there's probably nothing that Carmelo can do to save you.
He said "he's better than Lin" and admitted his flaw from last year. He looks to be in resurgence mode, I'd take that.
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#1) You didn't even answer the actual question about notwithstanding?
#2) Because I didn't agree with you about Ricky Rubio, you think its pointless to try to tell me what to expect from a extremely talented 19 year old rookie? Weak. I might be a bit conventional about positions, and rookies at times, but you've got a few very accurate projections. I'm willing to listen, and kind of offended that you think I'm either too set in myways to give it an honest try, or too dumb to understand the implications you're making.
And that's with the hope that you don't think I'm so much of a jerk that I'd just ask a question so I can tell you you're wrong.
1) I don't know! It's 14th century Middle English that only lawyers use now.
2) Yeah, I realize my first answer is too woeful. But answers to the question you're asking are all over the internets, and statistical flights of fancy tend to go over with a thud here. So it's not that I feel it's pointless to argue with you, I feel it's pointless to argue with anybody. I'm a convert to SO's rule of thumb, keep it succinct.
Caveat, I'm an NBA head, not a college basketball head, but where does his freshman season rank?
• Unanimous first-team All-American.
• Voted best freshman of the year, winning the Wayman Tisdale Award.
• Won the Wooden Award, Naismith Award, Adolph Rupp Trophy and AP Player of the Year.
• Broke the NCAA freshman block record and won AP Defensive Player of the Year honors.
• Named Most Outstanding Player of the NCAA Tournament while leading his team to a national championship.
• Consensus #1 pick and now a U.S. Olympian.
And you and Roy and KC can joke, but I think the Olympic selection is a meaningful impact on his development, and it's got me even more excited for the kid. It's basically training camp with the NBA's Avengers.
In terms of player comparisons, as a 19 year-old freshman he was rebounding (11.6 per 36 versus 9.65), stealing the basketball (1.52 vs 1.14) and blocking shots (5.31 vs. 4.56) at a higher rate than Marcus Camby did at any point in his college career, while - and this I find really impressive - fouling at a lower rate (2.19 vs 3.1).
So then I'd set Camby's rookie year 14.8 and 6.3 with 1 steal and 2 blocks as Davis's basement. He's going to be better than that. He's so much quicker and his body control is better.
If that answer is too dry for you? DraftExpress say his best case scenario is Blake Griffin meets Tyson Chandler.
My only cause for concern short-term is that while he's phenomenal at finishing anything around the rim, he needs passes and New Orleans after dumping Jarrett Jack has the worst guard rotation in the league. That team is one Eric Gordon set back from starting Vasquez and Roger Mason. How u.
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For anyone other than IP, please just skip the above. Though if you want to read some of my favorite writing about Anthony Davis here it is:
Anthony Davis didn't even need to block a shot to seal Kentucky's victory against Kansas. He just had to imply it. With under a minute left, the Jayhawks had the ball. They had reduced Kentucky's once-commanding 18-point lead to six. Kansas guard Elijah Johnson received the ball in space out on the left wing off an interior screen with an opportunity to create against the rotating Kentucky defense. Davis' legs are so long that he typically covers ground effortlessly, almost laconically. But in that moment, sensing the urgency, he surged toward Johnson and leaped at full extension. It was a pre-emptive strike, shot blocking as playmaking, and the effect was mesmerizing -- as if someone had hurled an extension ladder at Johnson.
Johnson, having already opted for what he thought was a wide-open jumper, was hardly expecting company. Davis soared above him like the sword of Damocles. Johnson flinched in midair like a man who suddenly wanted to be somewhere else -- anywhere else. While in midair, he tried to bounce the ball to reset his dribble. The referee called a travel.
Game over. NCAA tournament over.
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After another trade:
Cleveland Derps:
Roster and projected rotations:
PG - Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless / Derek Fisher
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Head Coach: Greg Popovich
Felton is probably a better fit, although he's a huge question mark. If you're getting NY Felton, you're in good shape. Charlotte Felton, and you're okay. Portland Felton, and there's probably nothing that Carmelo can do to save you.
He said "he's better than Lin" and admitted his flaw from last year. He looks to be in resurgence mode, I'd take that.
Scott Machado also said he was better than Jeremy "Rodney Dangerfield" Lin. I'm really down on Felton after his prima donna act last season. He's a terrible shooter who's Offensive Rating is consistently worse than his Defensive Rating - seven out of his nine seasons in the league.
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After another trade:
Cleveland Derps:
Roster and projected rotations:
PG - Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless / Derek Fisher
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Head Coach: Greg Popovich
Felton is probably a better fit, although he's a huge question mark. If you're getting NY Felton, you're in good shape. Charlotte Felton, and you're okay. Portland Felton, and there's probably nothing that Carmelo can do to save you.
He said "he's better than Lin" and admitted his flaw from last year. He looks to be in resurgence mode, I'd take that.
Scott Machado also said he was better than Jeremy "Rodney Dangerfield" Lin. I'm really down on Felton after his prima donna act last season. He's a terrible shooter who's Offensive Rating is consistently worse than his Defensive Rating.
That said, isn't Felton a more willing passer than Chalmers? I feel as though the ball sticks to Mario more than it should, though perhaps that's an incorrect assessment.
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TWW I read everything you wrote, its just taking a second to get some time to get some thoughts together.
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I love Anthony Davis and am convinced he is a real deal superduperstar in the making.
Also, letting everyone know now that next year I am drafting Nerlens Noel first round, because he will be every bit as good as Anthony Davis. He's a hometown boy(Everett, MA BABY!!!) and a friend of my son's.
So HANDS OFF NEXT YEAR!!!
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I love Anthony Davis and am convinced he is a real deal superduperstar in the making.
Also, letting everyone know now that next year I am drafting Nerlens Noel first round, because he will be every bit as good as Anthony Davis. He's a hometown boy(Everett, MA BABY!!!) and a friend of my son's.
So HANDS OFF NEXT YEAR!!!
SHould've pulled a Red Auerbach.
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I love Anthony Davis and am convinced he is a real deal superduperstar in the making.
Also, letting everyone know now that next year I am drafting Nerlens Noel first round, because he will be every bit as good as Anthony Davis. He's a hometown boy(Everett, MA BABY!!!) and a friend of my son's.
So HANDS OFF NEXT YEAR!!!
SHould've pulled a Red Auerbach.
If I was allowed to pick him with my next pick, I would.
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My expectations for Anthony Davis long term are sky high (MVP caliber talent).
My expectations for him short term are more like a quality rotation player who can give 32-35 minutes a night.
Probably average around 14-15ppg (excellent finisher + solid set jump-shooter, odd post move, limited shot-creator, relies on others), 8-10rpg, 2-3apg (strong high post passing) and 2-3bpg, shoot a good percentage from the field while on the defensive end supplying mixed man-to-man defense (struggling with powerful scorers, doing well on finesse types) + well above average team defense but not elite (yet). This is how I'll be rating him in this CB Draft.
Actually, for the CB Draft, I'd probably increase the rebounds to 10-11rpg due to C.Frye and D.Arthur.
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After another trade:
Cleveland Derps:
Roster and projected rotations:
PG - Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless / Derek Fisher
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Head Coach: Greg Popovich
Yeah you've done great work over the past day and a half or so, Yok. If you can find a solution to your PF situation i think you can argue your way into the playoffs.
Have you considered starting Melo at the 4? A lot of people on this board are high on him there. If you can aquire a solid 3 to put next to him with your remaining assets i think you might have a good angle to run with.
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After another trade:
Cleveland Derps:
Roster and projected rotations:
PG - Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless / Derek Fisher
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Head Coach: Greg Popovich
Yeah you've done great work over the past day and a half or so, Yok. If you can find a solution to your PF situation i think you can argue your way into the playoffs.
Have you considered starting Melo at the 4? A lot of people on this board are high on him there. If you can aquire a solid 3 to put next to him with your remaining assets i think you might have a good angle to run with.
I have not. My backup SF is Perry Jones III, potentially good but basically unproven. While Jason Smith is not a household name, a little basketball research will tell you he's not a bad option at the 4. He's not star material, but his production and energy is good to have. Plus, two 7 footers who can defend the interior.
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Okc thunder:
Chalmers/Billups/Jimmer
DeRozan/Lee
Butler/Lewis/Aminu
Ibaka/Markieff/Jones
Bynum/Kaman
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Okc thunder:
Chalmers/Billups/Jimmer
DeRozan/Lee
Butler/Lewis/Aminu
Ibaka/Markieff/Jones
Bynum/Kaman
Love the big man rotation, but i'm not sure how well it fits. Your best offense is posting up Bynum, but i'm not sure if Ibaka's mid range jumper is consistent enough -- he's going to be doubled off time-and-time-again when Bynum touches the ball.
Further, Butler and Derozen are very streaky shooters, and they are going to need to be very good streaky shooters for Bynum to have his way.
Personally i would look to move Ibaka for a better complimentary piece. I also think Kaman could be moved to help find a floor spacer at the wing.
Great interior defense between Ibaka/Bynum, but can it work offensively?
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PG: Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
SG: Dwyane Wade/Jarret Jack
SF: Paul Pierce/Chandler Parsons/Thad Young
PF: Chris Bosh/Thad Young/Tiago Splitter
C: Brendan Haywood/Chris Bosh/Tiago Splitter
Deep rotation: Nikola Vucevic, Jeremy Lamb, Jimmy Butler, Free Agent
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PG: Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
SG: Dwyane Wade/Jarret Jack
SF: Paul Pierce/Chandler Parsons/Thad Young
PF: Chris Bosh/Thad Young/Tiago Splitter
C: Brendan Haywood/Chris Bosh/Tiago Splitter
Deep rotation: Nikola Vucevic, Jeremy Lamb, Jimmy Butler, Free Agent
I liked your team better before you got pierce
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PG: Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
SG: Dwyane Wade/Jarret Jack
SF: Paul Pierce/Chandler Parsons/Thad Young
PF: Chris Bosh/Thad Young/Tiago Splitter
C: Brendan Haywood/Chris Bosh/Tiago Splitter
Deep rotation: Nikola Vucevic, Jeremy Lamb, Jimmy Butler, Free Agent
I love your starters one through four. Immensely talented core.
The rest of the rotation ... I don't know, it just doesn't feel right. There are good pieces there. Guys who can produce and play a role. It just doesn't feel like it all comes together right.
Not sure what is bothering me there. Need to think about that some more. Might just be Haywood (Bosh@PF). Maybe a shorter rotation without Splitter and Parsons.
I love your deep bench players too. Lamb, Vucevic and Jimmy Butler.
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Piña Colada No. 3
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PG: Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
SG: Dwyane Wade/Jarret Jack
SF: Paul Pierce/Chandler Parsons/Thad Young
PF: Chris Bosh/Thad Young/Tiago Splitter
C: Brendan Haywood/Chris Bosh/Tiago Splitter
Deep rotation: Nikola Vucevic, Jeremy Lamb, Jimmy Butler, Free Agent
I love your starters one through four. Immensely talented core.
The rest of the rotation ... I don't know, it just doesn't feel right. There are good pieces there. Guys who can produce and play a role. It just doesn't feel like it all comes together right.
I love your deep bench players too. Lamb, Vucevic and Jimmy Butler.
It seems like this team will need to consistently depend on Haywood for 25-30 minutes night. Not sure how I feel about that.
I like Jack. But I think you could use a long, rangy 2 for a different look defensively. Likewise, aren't Parsons and Thad Young more combo forwards 3/4 types? I think Butler (BTW, how did you get him?) will be a rotation player, not a deep bench player.
Don't know if you can find a willing partner at this point, but one more trade to consolidate depth into a heavy rotation player would really help here, I think.
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PG: Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
SG: Dwyane Wade/Jarret Jack
SF: Paul Pierce/Chandler Parsons/Thad Young
PF: Chris Bosh/Thad Young/Tiago Splitter
C: Brendan Haywood/Chris Bosh/Tiago Splitter
Deep rotation: Nikola Vucevic, Jeremy Lamb, Jimmy Butler, Free Agent
I'd give Thad Young's minutes to Vucevic.
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And you and Roy and KC can joke, but I think the Olympic selection is a meaningful impact on his development, and it's got me even more excited for the kid. It's basically training camp with the NBA's Avengers.
Have I hated on the olympics before?
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Who Wins the Southeast divison, (IMO both are great teams)Wizards or Hawks?
Stephen Curry George Hill
Kevin Marin Kobe Bryant
Gerald Wallace Luc Mbah A Moute
Pau Gasol David West
DeAndre Jordan Tim Duncan
Bench:
Lou Williams Jason Kidd
J.R. Smith C.J. Miles
Wilson Chandler Grant Hill
Steve Novak Lavoy Allen
Greg Stiemsma Samuel Dalembert
Matt Bonner
DeJuan Blair
Greivis Vasquez
No injuries? Atlanta's d is too much.
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PG: Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
SG: Dwyane Wade/Jarret Jack
SF: Paul Pierce/Chandler Parsons/Thad Young
PF: Chris Bosh/Thad Young/Tiago Splitter
C: Brendan Haywood/Chris Bosh/Tiago Splitter
Deep rotation: Nikola Vucevic, Jeremy Lamb, Jimmy Butler, Free Agent
I love your starters one through four. Immensely talented core.
The rest of the rotation ... I don't know, it just doesn't feel right. There are good pieces there. Guys who can produce and play a role. It just doesn't feel like it all comes together right.
I love your deep bench players too. Lamb, Vucevic and Jimmy Butler.
It seems like this team will need to consistently depend on Haywood for 25-30 minutes night. Not sure how I feel about that.
I'm thinking 20 minutes a night from Haywood, 15 from Bosh, and 13 from Splitter at the 5. Something like that.
I like Jack. But I think you could use a long, rangy 2 for a different look defensively.
I've got Jeremy Lamb and Jimmy Butler, who both fit the description, with Butler being the guy most likely to play more minutes. But, I'll think about this. I like Butler as a 2/3, Lamb as a 2, Jack as a 1/2..I think I've got enough depth there but I'll ponder it.
Likewise, aren't Parsons and Thad Young more combo forwards 3/4 types? I think Butler (BTW, how did you get him? When Yoki picked him, it was for me. When I picked Terrance Williams, it was for him.) will be a rotation player, not a deep bench player.
I'm actually not really worried about Butler being a rotation player (~10 minutes a night or so), and I'll be dollars to doughnuts that he gets a lot more than that a night on the Bulls this season. Luol Deng is apparently going to opt in for wrist surgery, and its Butler who will likely take his minutes.
That being said, if Pierce is playing 30 minutes a night, Chandler Parsons can play 20 minutes a night at the 3. He was good enough to supplant Budinger from the lineup, right? He ought to be good enough to back Pierce.
Don't know if you can find a willing partner at this point, but one more trade to consolidate depth into a heavy rotation player would really help here, I think.
I've been working on it, but having a hard time finding a match I like, and I like my team well enough to not spend a dollar for $.60 on any of my rotation guys.
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PG: Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
SG: Dwyane Wade/Jarret Jack
SF: Paul Pierce/Chandler Parsons/Thad Young
PF: Chris Bosh/Thad Young/Tiago Splitter
C: Brendan Haywood/Chris Bosh/Tiago Splitter
Deep rotation: Nikola Vucevic, Jeremy Lamb, Jimmy Butler, Free Agent
I'd give Thad Young's minutes to Vucevic.
What's wrong with Thad Young?
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Actually, re: Butler, that's what I was getting at. I think he's poised for a big bump in minutes, and I think his wing defense could make Parsons or Thad Young expendable. I didn't mean to suggest his increased minutes would be a liability; rather, a cause for confidence in his abilities.
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PG: Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
SG: Dwyane Wade/Jarret Jack
SF: Paul Pierce/Chandler Parsons/Thad Young
PF: Chris Bosh/Thad Young/Tiago Splitter
C: Brendan Haywood/Chris Bosh/Tiago Splitter
Deep rotation: Nikola Vucevic, Jeremy Lamb, Jimmy Butler, Free Agent
I'd give Thad Young's minutes to Vucevic.
What's wrong with Thad Young?
You need the bulk.
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Team is in the sig. I think I have a good mix of veterans and youth, defense and offense, as well as position flexibility which allows me to throw out a lot of different type of line ups.
I think once we can grab a playoff spot and then with Rose and Shumpert ready to go by the playoffs I think we can make some noise.
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PG: Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
SG: Dwyane Wade/Jarret Jack
SF: Paul Pierce/Chandler Parsons/Thad Young
PF: Chris Bosh/Thad Young/Tiago Splitter
C: Brendan Haywood/Chris Bosh/Tiago Splitter
Deep rotation: Nikola Vucevic, Jeremy Lamb, Jimmy Butler, Free Agent
I'd give Thad Young's minutes to Vucevic.
What's wrong with Thad Young?
You need the bulk.
Yeah at times Young will get less minutes for that reason, at times he'll get more. For teams that have a smaller or less dominating center, Young-Bosh will be a frontline that will destroy them for large chunks of gametime.
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This thread, in honor of the TNT INside the NBA game should be called:
How My Team Look?
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Yeah at times Young will get less minutes for that reason, at times he'll get more. For teams that have a smaller or less dominating center, Young-Bosh will be a frontline that will destroy them for large chunks of gametime.
Yeah this team will be at its best when it's going small and pushing the pace. I feel like Bosh is just going to have to resign himself to the idea of playing a ton of 5, which i don't think is a bad thing.
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Not sure if I posted new team in here or my final roster so here it goes.
PG-Westbrook/Augustin/Rivers
SG-Brewer/Brooks(not sure who starts yet)/Rivers
SF-Leonard/Brewer/Babbit
PF-Griffin/BBD/Warrick
C-Perkins/Mozgov/BBD
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I really like what the hornets and the blazers have done with thier teams out west. Very well rounded team NO has with parker allen Lee and chandler and Scary run and gun team with the Blazers with Howard Rubio and JJ
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Team is in the sig. I think I have a good mix of veterans and youth, defense and offense, as well as position flexibility which allows me to throw out a lot of different type of line ups.
I think once we can grab a playoff spot and then with Rose and Shumpert ready to go by the playoffs I think we can make some noise.
Evantime, i'm real concerned about the chemistry issues early on for this team and if it will have any lingering effects in the long run.
With Rose and Shumpert out for long streches, I feel like there's going to be a lot of Hero Ball being played between Lilliard/Young/George/and Cousins.
Also who gets phased out to a degree when your 2 starters return? lilliard, George, Shumpert, and Young all need minutes to develope.
On the not-negative side, i love the spacing between Cousins and Anderson. That will be a deadly combination right there.
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Team is in the sig. I think I have a good mix of veterans and youth, defense and offense, as well as position flexibility which allows me to throw out a lot of different type of line ups.
I think once we can grab a playoff spot and then with Rose and Shumpert ready to go by the playoffs I think we can make some noise.
Evantime, i'm real concerned about the chemistry issues early on for this team and if it will have any lingering effects in the long run.
With Rose and Shumpert out for long streches, I feel like there's going to be a lot of Hero Ball being played between Lilliard/Young/George/and Cousins.
Also who gets phased out to a degree when your 2 starters return? lilliard, George, Shumpert, and Young all need minutes to develope.
On the not-negative side, i love the spacing between Cousins and Anderson. That will be a deadly combination right there.
TP for the response. I don't see George as a hero ball type guy, I see him as a guy who will play great defense, run the floor and spot up when others drive.
Those wings won't have the opportunity to play hero ball. The ball will go through DeMarcus Cousins in the post more often than not. If they double Cousins, George, Young, Lillard, Anderson, and Williams can all space the floor or drive inside.
When we aren't getting the ball deep inside to Cousins we are going to run pick and rolls with three point starters spacing the floor if the defenders try to help.
When Rose and Shumpert come back they will start at the 1 and 2. George will move to the 3. This will give me 3 very athletic plus defenders. At times I will bring in Okafor with this lineup to stifle people defensively. Young will be a microwave scorer off the bench. A lineup of Rose, Shumpert, George, Cousins and Okafor can be elite defensively.
So our offense is going to be pick and rolls and post touches for Cousins. While everyone else spreads the floor. Without Rose we are going to have more post touches, with Rose we are going to have more pick and rolls, either way we're running the same stuff all season (this will build continuity).
I don't have any concerns about chemistry issues, with veterans like Okafor, and Jeffries as well as a clear offense from the start I don't see anything bad happening.
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Anyone brave enough to rank the divisions?
(2-6 after the Central of course)
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Not sure if I posted new team in here or my final roster so here it goes.
PG-Westbrook/Augustin/Rivers
SG-Brewer/Brooks(not sure who starts yet)/Rivers
SF-Leonard/Brewer/Babbit
PF-Griffin/BBD/Warrick
C-Perkins/Mozgov/BBD
Would you re-post your roster from three days ago? If memory serves that squad was better. I think this version of the Knicks is middle of the road offensively. Defenses can help off both Brewer and Perkins, while Westbrook, for all his talent, will absolutely force shots. But then I don't like MarShon Brooks in the starting five either. A bad balance of non-scorers and inefficient scorers (Augustin, Brooks, Davis, AND Rivers).
Defensively the team Westbrook through Davis is very good, although the bench is vulnerable. And I like that Westbrook and Kawhi Leonard will help mitigate Perkins' and Davis's mediocre rebounding.
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Also, unless Edgar is sending in trade proposals while on vacation, we didn't trade for Ricky Rubio. Of course, when Edgar has had a few too many Pina Coladas, anything is prone to happen.
Hahaha, this is hilarious. I can't help but read CROTORnauts and see Blazers red and black.
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Anyone brave enough to rank the divisions?
(2-6 after the Central of course)
I hope to get around to it in the next day or so.
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Anyone brave enough to rank the divisions?
(2-6 after the Central of course)
Not much interest in the divisions. I have a pretty good idea who my playoff teams will be though.
East - Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Indiana, New York, Orlando and Washington
West - Dallas, LA Lakers and LA Clippers, New Orleans, Phoenix, Portland, Utah ... with a photo finish between GSW and Denver for the eight seed. Leaning towards GSW.
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Anyone brave enough to rank the divisions?
(2-6 after the Central of course)
Not interested in the divisions. I have a pretty good idea who my playoff teams will be though.
East - Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Indiana, New York, Orlando and Washington
West - Dallas, LA Lakers and LA Clippers, New Orleans, Phoenix, Portland, Utah ... with a photo finish between GSW and Denver for the eight seed. Leaning towards GSW.
Thanks for putting Washington lol :) Southeast with 3 teams in the playoffs we clearly are the best division
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Anyone brave enough to rank the divisions?
(2-6 after the Central of course)
Not much interest in the divisions. I have a pretty good idea who my playoff teams will be though.
East - Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Indiana, New York, Orlando and Washington
West - Dallas, LA Lakers and LA Clippers, New Orleans, Phoenix, Portland, Utah ... with a photo finish between GSW and Denver for the eight seed. Leaning towards GSW.
BOO
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Anyone brave enough to rank the divisions?
(2-6 after the Central of course)
Not much interest in the divisions. I have a pretty good idea who my playoff teams will be though.
East - Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Indiana, New York, Orlando and Washington
West - Dallas, LA Lakers and LA Clippers, New Orleans, Phoenix, Portland, Utah ... with a photo finish between GSW and Denver for the eight seed. Leaning towards GSW.
BOO
It was the injury to Derrick Rose. Otherwise Brooklyn would be in there.
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Anyone brave enough to rank the divisions?
(2-6 after the Central of course)
Not much interest in the divisions. I have a pretty good idea who my playoff teams will be though.
East - Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Indiana, New York, Orlando and Washington
West - Dallas, LA Lakers and LA Clippers, New Orleans, Phoenix, Portland, Utah ... with a photo finish between GSW and Denver for the eight seed. Leaning towards GSW.
BOO
It was the injury to Derrick Rose. Otherwise Brooklyn would be in there.
i agree, they are solid team but with rose and shumpert injured id be suprised if they make the playoffs
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Anyone brave enough to rank the divisions?
(2-6 after the Central of course)
Not interested in the divisions. I have a pretty good idea who my playoff teams will be though.
East - Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Indiana, New York, Orlando and Washington
West - Dallas, LA Lakers and LA Clippers, New Orleans, Phoenix, Portland, Utah ... with a photo finish between GSW and Denver for the eight seed. Leaning towards GSW.
Thanks for putting Washington lol :) Southeast with 3 teams in the playoffs we clearly are the best division
The Central Division says hello. And either the Pacific or the Northwest may have all 4.
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Anyone brave enough to rank the divisions?
(2-6 after the Central of course)
Not much interest in the divisions. I have a pretty good idea who my playoff teams will be though.
East - Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Indiana, New York, Orlando and Washington
West - Dallas, LA Lakers and LA Clippers, New Orleans, Phoenix, Portland, Utah ... with a photo finish between GSW and Denver for the eight seed. Leaning towards GSW.
BOO
It was the injury to Derrick Rose. Otherwise Brooklyn would be in there.
No OKC?
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Anyone brave enough to rank the divisions?
(2-6 after the Central of course)
Not much interest in the divisions. I have a pretty good idea who my playoff teams will be though.
East - Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Indiana, New York, Orlando and Washington
West - Dallas, LA Lakers and LA Clippers, New Orleans, Phoenix, Portland, Utah ... with a photo finish between GSW and Denver for the eight seed. Leaning towards GSW.
BOO
It was the injury to Derrick Rose. Otherwise Brooklyn would be in there.
i agree, they are solid team but with rose and shumpert injured id be suprised if they make the playoffs
I think Cousins is a top 5 center, Ryan Anderson according to advanced stats was a top 5 PF last year. George will continue to improve and could give top 5 production at the 3. We can spread the floor knock down shots and play defense. I think we're a playoff team then once Rose is back we're a contender.
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Anyone brave enough to rank the divisions?
(2-6 after the Central of course)
Not much interest in the divisions. I have a pretty good idea who my playoff teams will be though.
East - Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Indiana, New York, Orlando and Washington
West - Dallas, LA Lakers and LA Clippers, New Orleans, Phoenix, Portland, Utah ... with a photo finish between GSW and Denver for the eight seed. Leaning towards GSW.
BOO
It was the injury to Derrick Rose. Otherwise Brooklyn would be in there.
i agree, they are solid team but with rose and shumpert injured id be suprised if they make the playoffs
I think Cousins is a top 5 center, Ryan Anderson according to advanced stats was a top 5 PF last year. George will continue to improve and could give top 5 production at the 3. We can spread the floor knock down shots and play defense. I think we're a playoff team then once Rose is back we're a contender.
damian lillard and eric maynor arent going to get you a playoff spot i like cousins anderson and george though
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My take on the divisions ( accept for my own)
Atlantic
Boston
Ny
Brooklyn
Philly
Central
1. Chicago/Detroit ( yes this is a cop out)
Indiana
Cleveland
Northwest
Utah
Portland
Okc
Denver
Pacific
Lakers
Phoenix
Golden state
Clips
Southwest
Dallas
New Orleans
Houston
SA
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Anyone brave enough to rank the divisions?
(2-6 after the Central of course)
Not much interest in the divisions. I have a pretty good idea who my playoff teams will be though.
East - Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Indiana, New York, Orlando and Washington
West - Dallas, LA Lakers and LA Clippers, New Orleans, Phoenix, Portland, Utah ... with a photo finish between GSW and Denver for the eight seed. Leaning towards GSW.
BOO
It was the injury to Derrick Rose. Otherwise Brooklyn would be in there.
No OKC?
I think I had them 10th in the West. They have been ahead of one or two playoff teams in the East though. I can't remember.
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Anyone brave enough to rank the divisions?
(2-6 after the Central of course)
Not much interest in the divisions. I have a pretty good idea who my playoff teams will be though.
East - Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Indiana, New York, Orlando and Washington
West - Dallas, LA Lakers and LA Clippers, New Orleans, Phoenix, Portland, Utah ... with a photo finish between GSW and Denver for the eight seed. Leaning towards GSW.
BOO
It was the injury to Derrick Rose. Otherwise Brooklyn would be in there.
No OKC?
I think I had them 10th in the West. They have been ahead of one or two playoff teams in the East though. I can't remember.
what are your rankings though for the east and west playoffs?
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My take on the divisions ( accept for my own)
Atlantic
Boston
Ny
Brooklyn
Philly
Central
1. Chicago/Detroit ( yes this is a cop out)
Indiana
Cleveland
Northwest
Utah
Portland
Okc
Denver
Pacific
Lakers
Phoenix
Golden state
Clips
Southwest
Dallas
New Orleans
Houston
SA
for our division we can put you in first wizards second and orlando third
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Anyone brave enough to rank the divisions?
(2-6 after the Central of course)
Not much interest in the divisions. I have a pretty good idea who my playoff teams will be though.
East - Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Indiana, New York, Orlando and Washington
West - Dallas, LA Lakers and LA Clippers, New Orleans, Phoenix, Portland, Utah ... with a photo finish between GSW and Denver for the eight seed. Leaning towards GSW.
BOO
It was the injury to Derrick Rose. Otherwise Brooklyn would be in there.
No OKC?
I think I had them 10th in the West. They have been ahead of one or two playoff teams in the East though. I can't remember.
what are your rankings though for the east and west playoffs?
I'll keep them to myself for now. Still working on them.
I think Washington was 4th or 5th in the East.
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Anyone brave enough to rank the divisions?
(2-6 after the Central of course)
Not much interest in the divisions. I have a pretty good idea who my playoff teams will be though.
East - Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Indiana, New York, Orlando and Washington
West - Dallas, LA Lakers and LA Clippers, New Orleans, Phoenix, Portland, Utah ... with a photo finish between GSW and Denver for the eight seed. Leaning towards GSW.
BOO
It was the injury to Derrick Rose. Otherwise Brooklyn would be in there.
No OKC?
I think I had them 10th in the West. They have been ahead of one or two playoff teams in the East though. I can't remember.
I feel like Ibaka and Bynum would put them ahead of GS for at least 8th. Is their perimeter game that bad?
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My take on the divisions ( accept for my own)
Atlantic
Boston
Ny
Brooklyn
Philly
Central
1. Chicago/Detroit ( yes this is a cop out)
Indiana
Cleveland
Northwest
Utah
Portland
Okc
Denver
Pacific
Lakers
Phoenix
Golden state
Clips
Southwest
Dallas
New Orleans
Houston
SA
for our division we can put you in first wizards second and orlando third
I dunno, I'm still determining how I will play my team during the regular season. I will continue the pop tradition of random days off for Duncan.
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West - Dallas, LA Lakers and LA Clippers, New Orleans, Phoenix, Portland, Utah ... with a photo finish between GSW and Denver for the eight seed. Leaning towards GSW.
No OKC?
I think I had them 10th in the West. They have been ahead of one or two playoff teams in the East though. I can't remember.
I feel like Ibaka and Bynum would put them ahead of GS for at least 8th. Is their perimeter game that bad?
PG: Chalmers, Billups, Jimmer
SG: DeRozan, Lee
SF: C.Butler, R.Lewis, Aminu
I think I may end up rating GSW higher than most. During the draft, it felt like I rated a few of their players higher than most others do. Plus, I like unconventional lineups.
So I imagine it's part Golden State and part questions about OKC's personnel outside of Ibaka and A.Bynum (a big man combo I love).
I think that perimeter group is pretty weak. No star talent. No average to above average starter on the perimeter. All well below average starters - although I'm sure some are higher on Caron + DeRozan than I am.
I think they have a good bench though. Billups and Lee are good reserves. Kaman is very good. Rashard is mostly and unknown quantity at this stage. I thought Markieff Morris was a disappointment. I expected more of him.
In terms of offense, I don't think they have a genuine first option. I consider A.Bynum more of a second option. A lack of quality shot-creators alongside Bynum. A lack of playmaking from their guards and wings. Offensively, a weak team.
I love Ibaka and A.Bynum but I the other question marks keep OKC out of the playoffs for me.
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West - Dallas, LA Lakers and LA Clippers, New Orleans, Phoenix, Portland, Utah ... with a photo finish between GSW and Denver for the eight seed. Leaning towards GSW.
No OKC?
I think I had them 10th in the West. They have been ahead of one or two playoff teams in the East though. I can't remember.
I feel like Ibaka and Bynum would put them ahead of GS for at least 8th. Is their perimeter game that bad?
PG: Chalmers, Billups, Jimmer
SG: DeRozan, Lee
SF: C.Butler, R.Lewis, Aminu
I think I may end up rating GSW higher than most. During the draft, it felt like I rated a few of their players higher than most others do. Plus, I like unconventional lineups.
So I imagine it's part Golden State and part questions about OKC's personnel outside of Ibaka and A.Bynum (a big man combo I love).
I think that perimeter group is pretty weak. No star talent. No average to above average starter on the perimeter. All well below average starters - although I'm sure some are higher on Caron + DeRozan than I am.
I think they have a good bench though. Billups and Lee are good reserves. Kaman is very good. Rashard is mostly and unknown quantity at this stage. I thought Markieff Morris was a disappointment. I expected more of him.
In terms of offense, I don't think they have a genuine first option. I consider A.Bynum more of a second option. A lack of quality shot-creators alongside Bynum. A lack of playmaking from their guards and wings. Offensively, a weak team.
I love Ibaka and A.Bynum but I the other question marks keep OKC out of the playoffs for me.
I feel like Bynum and Ibaka would shut down Dwight..would essentially daring joe Johnson to beat us with derozan and lee guarding him
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One final time
Cleveland Derps:
Roster and projected rotation:
PG - Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony / Perry Jones III
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Deep bench: Derek Fisher, Terrence Williams
Head Coach: Greg Popovich
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One final time
Cleveland Derps:
Roster and projected rotation:
PG - Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony / Perry Jones III
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Deep bench: Derek Fisher, Terrence Williams
Head Coach: Greg Popovich
if you are in the east, i like it :)
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My take on the divisions ( accept for my own)
Atlantic
Boston
Ny
Brooklyn
Philly
Central
1. Chicago/Detroit ( yes this is a cop out)
Indiana
Cleveland
Northwest
Utah
Portland
Okc
Denver
Pacific
Lakers
Phoenix
Golden state
Clips
Southwest
Dallas
New Orleans
Houston
SA
Wait...you don't think Houston is the worst team in the league.
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My take on the divisions ( accept for my own)
Atlantic
Boston
Ny
Brooklyn
Philly
Central
1. Chicago/Detroit ( yes this is a cop out)
Indiana
Cleveland
Northwest
Utah
Portland
Okc
Denver
Pacific
Lakers
Phoenix
Golden state
Clips
Southwest
Dallas
New Orleans
Houston
SA
Wait...you don't think Houston is the worst team in the league.
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No problem Brosuf
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anybody else wanna tackle a preliminary ranking?
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anybody else wanna tackle a preliminary ranking?
It's hard to give accurate rankings without GMs posting their full rosters in the thread.
I mean, this is the roster we have for the Knicks:
New York Knicks: Gomesfan / WeMadeIt17
Guards Chauncey Billups Andre miller monta Ellis Courtney lee
Forwards Caron butler Stephen Jackson serge Ibaka Antawn Jamison
Centers Marc gasol Chris kaman
Do they still have *any* of those same guys? Even one? A bunch of other teams look the same way.
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Anyone brave enough to rank the divisions?
(2-6 after the Central of course)
Not much interest in the divisions. I have a pretty good idea who my playoff teams will be though.
East - Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Indiana, New York, Orlando and Washington
West - Dallas, LA Lakers and LA Clippers, New Orleans, Phoenix, Portland, Utah ... with a photo finish between GSW and Denver for the eight seed. Leaning towards GSW.
BOO
Pacific division could potentially have 4 teams in the playoffs.
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Personally I like Detroit for some reason. ;D
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After FA:
Cleveland Derps:
Roster and projected rotation:
PG - Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony / Tracy McGrady
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Deep bench: Perry Jones III, Derek Fisher, Terrence Williams
Head Coach: Greg Popovich (exceptional coaching is part of success)
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After FA:
Cleveland Derps:
Roster and projected rotation:
PG - Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony / Tracy McGrady
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Deep bench: Perry Jones III, Derek Fisher, Terrence Williams
Head Coach: Greg Popovich (exceptional coaching is part of success)
Youve gotta fix the 4, Yoki, and I don't think Kenyon Martin can keep it locked down. But I just don't know where there is redundant talent there to compensate for the 4.
You've gotta keep Anthony and Bogut, unless you blow it up again. I guess you could slide down a little by trading Bogut and hoping to pickup a 5/4 combo or something, but I dunno. Bogut is kind of the perfect pairing to put next to Melo. Doesn't need the ball, defends well, will get all those rebounds.
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After FA:
Cleveland Derps:
Roster and projected rotation:
PG - Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony / Tracy McGrady
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Deep bench: Perry Jones III, Derek Fisher, Terrence Williams
Head Coach: Greg Popovich (exceptional coaching is part of success)
Backcourt: Felton fat jokes aside, I think he, Roy, and Rush make for an effective rotation. I've never been a big fan of Bayless.
Wings: TMac was a great waiver pickup. You could conceivably run him out there with Melo in the PF role at times. Rush can also play the 3 for you.
Bigs: I am willing to consider Smith a rotation player in the league, but would prefer an upgrade at the starting 4, although I think he is a nice complement to Bogut. Martin provides grit (would love to have him on our squad) and can play either PF or C. Hopefully Drummond can develop, but it'll likely be years before he can contribute meaningfully to the team's success.
Deep bench: with TMac in tow, I don't see TWill contributing much to the club. Fisher also seems extraneous, unless Bayless is dealt. Does PJ3 project as a 3 or 4 in the league?
I'd like to see another rotation-worthy vet acquisition, preferably a big. I think that could be the difference between lottery and playoffs here. I don't know if a Bayless/TWill package could get such a veteran player, but it might be worth exploring.
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After FA:
Cleveland Derps:
Roster and projected rotation:
PG - Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony / Tracy McGrady
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Deep bench: Perry Jones III, Derek Fisher, Terrence Williams
Head Coach: Greg Popovich (exceptional coaching is part of success)
I would waive Jason Smith and sign Tyrus Thomas.
Tyrus has an awful campaign last year but he is a legitimate starting PF in the NBA and by far the best player available that went undrafted.
Tyrus Thomas and Andrew Bogut complement one another brilliantly on the defensive end of the floor. Tyrus also has a good jump-shot to help improve your spacing offensively. Still a young player too.
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After FA:
Cleveland Derps:
Roster and projected rotation:
PG - Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony / Tracy McGrady
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Deep bench: Perry Jones III, Derek Fisher, Terrence Williams
Head Coach: Greg Popovich (exceptional coaching is part of success)
I would waive Jason Smith and sign Tyrus Thomas.
Tyrus has an awful campaign last year but he is a legitimate starting PF in the NBA and by far the best player available that went undrafted.
Tyrus Thomas and Andrew Bogut complement one another brilliantly on the defensive end of the floor. Tyrus also has a good jump-shot to help improve your spacing offensively. Still a young player too.
Ty has had a brutal go of it. But he'd definitely increase the talent at the 4.
I'd still keep Smith, though. Dump Terrence Williams instead? His talent/potential notwithstanding, TWill seems like a long way from relevance in the league.
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After FA:
Cleveland Derps:
Roster and projected rotation:
PG - Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony / Tracy McGrady
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Deep bench: Perry Jones III, Derek Fisher, Terrence Williams
Head Coach: Greg Popovich (exceptional coaching is part of success)
I would waive Jason Smith and sign Tyrus Thomas.
Tyrus has an awful campaign last year but he is a legitimate starting PF in the NBA and by far the best player available that went undrafted.
Tyrus Thomas and Andrew Bogut complement one another brilliantly on the defensive end of the floor. Tyrus also has a good jump-shot to help improve your spacing offensively. Still a young player too.
Ty has had a brutal go of it. But he'd definitely increase the talent at the 4.
I'd still keep Smith, though. Dump Terrence Williams instead?
I am fine with that. Or Perry Jones III.
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After FA:
Cleveland Derps:
Roster and projected rotation:
PG - Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony / Tracy McGrady
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Deep bench: Perry Jones III, Derek Fisher, Terrence Williams
Head Coach: Greg Popovich (exceptional coaching is part of success)
I would waive Jason Smith and sign Tyrus Thomas.
Tyrus has an awful campaign last year but he is a legitimate starting PF in the NBA and by far the best player available that went undrafted.
Tyrus Thomas and Andrew Bogut complement one another brilliantly on the defensive end of the floor. Tyrus also has a good jump-shot to help improve your spacing offensively. Still a young player too.
Ty has had a brutal go of it. But he'd definitely increase the talent at the 4.
I'd still keep Smith, though. Dump Terrence Williams instead?
I am fine with that. Or Perry Jones III.
I like PJ 3
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After FA:
Cleveland Derps:
Roster and projected rotation:
PG - Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony / Tracy McGrady
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Deep bench: Perry Jones III, Derek Fisher, Terrence Williams
Head Coach: Greg Popovich (exceptional coaching is part of success)
I would waive Jason Smith and sign Tyrus Thomas.
Tyrus has an awful campaign last year but he is a legitimate starting PF in the NBA and by far the best player available that went undrafted.
Tyrus Thomas and Andrew Bogut complement one another brilliantly on the defensive end of the floor. Tyrus also has a good jump-shot to help improve your spacing offensively. Still a young player too.
Ty has had a brutal go of it. But he'd definitely increase the talent at the 4.
I'd still keep Smith, though. Dump Terrence Williams instead?
I am fine with that. Or Perry Jones III.
I think Thomas could start next to Bogut on that team. Wouldn't be stoked about it, but it could work well for stretches defensively.
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After FA:
Cleveland Derps:
Roster and projected rotation:
PG - Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony / Tracy McGrady
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Deep bench: Perry Jones III, Derek Fisher, Terrence Williams
Head Coach: Greg Popovich (exceptional coaching is part of success)
I would waive Jason Smith and sign Tyrus Thomas.
Tyrus has an awful campaign last year but he is a legitimate starting PF in the NBA and by far the best player available that went undrafted.
Tyrus Thomas and Andrew Bogut complement one another brilliantly on the defensive end of the floor. Tyrus also has a good jump-shot to help improve your spacing offensively. Still a young player too.
Ty has had a brutal go of it. But he'd definitely increase the talent at the 4.
I'd still keep Smith, though. Dump Terrence Williams instead?
I am fine with that. Or Perry Jones III.
I think Thomas could start next to Bogut on that team. Wouldn't be stoked about it, but it could work well for stretches defensively.
Yeah, I'd definitely start Tyrus at PF.
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Rubio/Udrih/Knight
J.Johnson/Belinelli/Knight
W.Chandler/Barnes/Belinelli
Milsap/Bonner
Howard/Hayes
Deep bench: Villanueva
I feel like i've maximized my assets at this point. i know the bench is a bit rough but i think it's a solid patchwork job. I'm really struggling to figure out how/where to play Brandon Knight, i feel like he could be a weapon i just don't quite know how to deploy him.
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Don't understand all the love for the Lakers here. I think we got them beat. Pacific division is ours!
1. Steve Nash/Andre Miller
2. Jason Richardson/Jamal Crawford/Willie Green
3. Tayshaun Prince/John Salmons
4. Kevin Love/Antawn Jamison/Jason Maxiell
5. Joakim Noah/Tristan Thompson/Ekpe Udo
Improved my bench a little bit by moving some young, but very talented players, for proven veterans. Steve Nash took a very bad Phoenix Suns team to a .500 record in the West last year. With K-Love, Noah, etc., this is definitely the best team he's ever played with.
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Rubio/Udrih/Knight
J.Johnson/Belinelli/Knight
W.Chandler/Barnes/Belinelli
Milsap/Bonner
Howard/Hayes
Deep bench: Villanueva
I feel like i've maximized my assets at this point. i know the bench is a bit rough but i think it's a solid patchwork job. I'm really struggling to figure out how/where to play Brandon Knight, i feel like he could be a weapon i just don't quite know how to deploy him.
Terrific starting five. Might be right up there with Phoenix's.
Yeah, don't know what to say about Knight. Keep him as the emergency/project PG. Udrih can cover both guard slots.
Open roster slot? Grab a backup big who's taller than 6'7". Bonus if he can play both PF and C. Unless you think CV can do that. Would prefer some defense there.
Actually considering you now have Bonner, not sure if you need CV. Another wing, a SG/SF type, could be nice.
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Rubio/Udrih/Knight
J.Johnson/Belinelli/Knight
W.Chandler/Barnes/Belinelli
Milsap/Bonner
Howard/Hayes
Deep bench: Villanueva
I feel like i've maximized my assets at this point. i know the bench is a bit rough but i think it's a solid patchwork job. I'm really struggling to figure out how/where to play Brandon Knight, i feel like he could be a weapon i just don't quite know how to deploy him.
In a playoff series, I think Dwight Howard can go for 40-42 minutes a night. JJ too. Rubio, Wilson Chandler and Millsap would all be able to play around 36-38 minutes.
You only really need your bench for about 50 minutes out of 240. Only 20%. A tiny amount compared to most playoff teams.
Use Udrih for 15-20 of those behind Rubio and JJ. Barnes for another 10-12 behind W.Chandler. Then 6-8 minutes for Chuck Hayes backing up Dwight and 8-10 minutes for Bonner or Villanueva backing up Millsap.
It's a really weak bench but your starters are so talented and fully capable of playing big minutes, I don't really see it as a big issue.
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Don't understand all the love for the Lakers here. I think we got them beat. Pacific division is ours!
1. Steve Nash/Andre Miller
2. Jason Richardson/Jamal Crawford/Willie Green
3. Tayshaun Prince/John Salmons
4. Kevin Love/Antawn Jamison/Jason Maxiell
5. Joakim Noah/Tristan Thompson/Ekpe Udo
Improved my bench a little bit by moving some young, but very talented players, for proven veterans. Steve Nash took a very bad Phoenix Suns team to a .500 record in the West last year. With K-Love, Noah, etc., this is definitely the best team he's ever played with.
So I don't need to worry about my presser? Good.
Since you don't know that Golden State wins the Pacific division you probably also don't know that Steve Nash announced he was divorcing his wife the day his son was born, and Jason Richardson was traded out of Phoenix just days later.
Also this:
Lakers will not take Jason Richardson. He supposedly has personal issue with Steve Nash.
Huh.
So career-worst 40.8 FG% and 59.4 FT% shooting from a guy that ranks in the bottom third of the league defensively, and has never scored or rebounded less effectively than he did last season, at an age for a two guard (31) where any decline can be precipitous + team chemistry issues?
(http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lraaxsEbRD1qim9p0o1_400.jpg)
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Don't understand all the love for the Lakers here. I think we got them beat. Pacific division is ours!
1. Steve Nash/Andre Miller
2. Jason Richardson/Jamal Crawford/Willie Green
3. Tayshaun Prince/John Salmons
4. Kevin Love/Antawn Jamison/Jason Maxiell
5. Joakim Noah/Tristan Thompson/Ekpe Udo
Improved my bench a little bit by moving some young, but very talented players, for proven veterans. Steve Nash took a very bad Phoenix Suns team to a .500 record in the West last year. With K-Love, Noah, etc., this is definitely the best team he's ever played with.
Terrific starting lineup.
The bench still gives me pause. Miller, and perhaps Crawford, seem like the only sure things you've got (and not necessarily in a good way from Jamal).
I don't know what to expect from Salmons anymore. Jamison is a nice guy and a consummate professional, but I don't know what he has left in the tank. While a personal favorite of mine, Maxiell has been erratic lately, and Udoh and TT are still so raw.
Don't know what's still possible at this point, but perhaps you've got one trade left in you?
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Thanks for the input fellas, much appreesh.
Open roster slot? Grab a backup big who's taller than 6'7". Bonus if he can play both PF and C. Unless you think CV can do that. Would prefer some defense there.
Actually considering you now have Bonner, not sure if you need CV. Another wing, a SG/SF type, could be nice.
Yea i'm keeping that roster spot open for now, i have some thoughts in mind for it but we're on the same page.
Use Udrih for 15-20 of those behind Rubio and JJ. Barnes for another 10-12 behind W.Chandler. Then 6-8 minutes for Chuck Hayes backing up Dwight and 8-10 minutes for Bonner or Villanueva backing up Millsap.
It's a really weak bench but your starters are so talented and fully capable of playing big minutes, I don't really see it as a big issue.
As far as Knight goes, i feel like he has a ton of potential still and he deserves more than 'reserve' status, especially with this bench as constructed. Ultimately he's probably one of the best athletes on this team and certainly with regards to my guard play. But i guess maybe i'm in the minority on his outlook this year.
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Almost there. We won't score a ton of points but in a couple years we might be extremely difficult to score any points against.
Houston Boxers
Larry Brown - Head Coach
PG: Lin/Beaubois
SG: Kidd-Gilchrist/Redick/Lee/G. Green
SF: Barnes/Faried/Jerebko/
PF: Ibaka/Montiejunas/Henson
C: Valanciunas/Odoh
Can't wait to see teams attempt to score on this lineup in a few years:
Beaubois
MKG
Faried
Ibaka
Oduh
And in a couple year this is going to be a helluva offensive punch:
Lin
MKG
Barnes
Montiejunas
Valanciunas
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Almost there. We won't score a ton of points but in a couple years we might be extremely difficult to score any points against.
Houston Boxers
Larry Brown - Head Coach
PG: Lin/Beaubois
SG: Kidd-Gilchrist/Redick/Lee/G. Green
SF: Barnes/Faried/Jerebko/
PF: Ibaka/Montiejunas/Henson
C: Valanciunas/Odoh
Can't wait to see teams attempt to score on this lineup in a few years:
Beaubois
MKG
Faried
Ibaka
Oduh
And in a couple year this is going to be a helluva offensive punch:
Lin
MKG
Barnes
Montiejunas
Valanciunas
nick, I think Faried is more capable of playing C than he is SF.
I think may be your best lineup:
PG: Lin
SG: Lee/Redick (toss-up)
SF: MKG
PF: Ibaka
C: Valanciunas
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Nick,
I hope you plan on taking some of us to school, becuase i for one know very little about a couple of your foreign-bigs. I know that they're extremely talented, but i'm not well versed in the particulars of their game.
I look forward to taking Euro BabyBallers 101 with Professor Nickagenta
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Almost there. We won't score a ton of points but in a couple years we might be extremely difficult to score any points against.
Houston Boxers
Larry Brown - Head Coach
PG: Lin/Beaubois
SG: Kidd-Gilchrist/Redick/Lee/G. Green
SF: Barnes/Faried/Jerebko/
PF: Ibaka/Montiejunas/Henson
C: Valanciunas/Odoh
Can't wait to see teams attempt to score on this lineup in a few years:
Beaubois
MKG
Faried
Ibaka
Oduh
And in a couple year this is going to be a helluva offensive punch:
Lin
MKG
Barnes
Montiejunas
Valanciunas
nick, I think Faried is more capable of playing C than he is SF.
I think may be your best lineup:
PG: Lin
SG: Lee/Redick (toss-up)
SF: MKG
PF: Ibaka
C: Valanciunas
I explained this in the other thread. Faried is not exclusively a SF. He will guard the larger, stronger SFs in the league but play mostly PF.
I also am putting MKG where I think he will be best used, at SG. I think he is a natural there and Barnes a natural SF.
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C:Al Horford/ Nick Collison/ Chris Wicox
PF :LaMarcus Alridge/ Thomas Robinson/Chris Wilcox
SF:Rudy Gay/ Carlos Delfino/ Dahntay Jones
SG: Tony Allen/ Terrence Ross/Norris Cole
PG: Kyle Lowry/ Devin Harris/ Norris Cole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL6DQZYPBeU&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL6DQZYPBeU&feature=player_embedded)
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C:Al Horford/ Nick Collison/ Chris Wicox
PF :LaMarcus Alridge/ Thomas Robinson/Chris Wilcox
SF:Rudy Gay/ Carlos Delfino/ Dahntay Jones
SG: Tony Allen/ Terrence Ross/Norris Cole
PG: Kyle Lowry/ Devin Harris/ Norris Cole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL6DQZYPBeU&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL6DQZYPBeU&feature=player_embedded)
I like this L@kers team a lot. I still like my G.S. to win the Pacific (the "G" stands for gimmicks) but the L@kers have the much stronger front court 1-2, one of the league's strongest in fact.
I didn't like what I saw from Thomas Robinson in summer league, but I love Collison.
No shooters necessary?
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Don't understand all the love for the Lakers here. I think we got them beat. Pacific division is ours!
1. Steve Nash/Andre Miller
2. Jason Richardson/Jamal Crawford/Willie Green
3. Tayshaun Prince/John Salmons
4. Kevin Love/Antawn Jamison/Jason Maxiell
5. Joakim Noah/Tristan Thompson/Ekpe Udo
Improved my bench a little bit by moving some young, but very talented players, for proven veterans. Steve Nash took a very bad Phoenix Suns team to a .500 record in the West last year. With K-Love, Noah, etc., this is definitely the best team he's ever played with.
lakers are better more talent.
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C:Al Horford/ Nick Collison/ Chris Wicox
PF :LaMarcus Alridge/ Thomas Robinson/Chris Wilcox
SF:Rudy Gay/ Carlos Delfino/ Dahntay Jones
SG: Tony Allen/ Terrence Ross/Norris Cole
PG: Kyle Lowry/ Devin Harris/ Norris Cole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL6DQZYPBeU&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL6DQZYPBeU&feature=player_embedded)
Terrific starting unit. Scary athletic.
I actually worry about the bench. Two rookies and a second-year player, a guy coming off of heart surgery, and a currently still-unsigned FA. A lot of question marks there. If one or two of these could be replaced by more sure things, I would feel much better.
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C:Al Horford/ Nick Collison/ Chris Wicox
PF :LaMarcus Alridge/ Thomas Robinson/Chris Wilcox
SF:Rudy Gay/ Carlos Delfino/ Dahntay Jones
SG: Tony Allen/ Terrence Ross/Norris Cole
PG: Kyle Lowry/ Devin Harris/ Norris Cole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL6DQZYPBeU&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL6DQZYPBeU&feature=player_embedded)
I like this L@kers team a lot. I still like my G.S. to win the Pacific (the "G" stands for gimmicks) but the L@kers have the much stronger front court 1-2, one of the league's strongest in fact.
I didn't like what I saw from Thomas Robinson in summer league, but I love Collison.
No shooters necessary?
Hm, looks like TA and Manu never matched up against eachother last season, weird...
2011 had some interesting matchups between the two. 2 games each where both players completely outplayed the other.
Who covers Klay? Would that be Lowry i'd assume? That matchup looms a lot larger than i initially expected...
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Don't understand all the love for the Lakers here. I think we got them beat. Pacific division is ours!
1. Steve Nash/Andre Miller
2. Jason Richardson/Jamal Crawford/Willie Green
3. Tayshaun Prince/John Salmons
4. Kevin Love/Antawn Jamison/Jason Maxiell
5. Joakim Noah/Tristan Thompson/Ekpe Udo
Improved my bench a little bit by moving some young, but very talented players, for proven veterans. Steve Nash took a very bad Phoenix Suns team to a .500 record in the West last year. With K-Love, Noah, etc., this is definitely the best team he's ever played with.
Terrific starting lineup.
The bench still gives me pause. Miller, and perhaps Crawford, seem like the only sure things you've got (and not necessarily in a good way from Jamal).
I don't know what to expect from Salmons anymore. Jamison is a nice guy and a consummate professional, but I don't know what he has left in the tank. While a personal favorite of mine, Maxiell has been erratic lately, and Udoh and TT are still so raw.
Don't know what's still possible at this point, but perhaps you've got one trade left in you?
I don't see why my bench is any worse than any other bench. Miller is the best backup point guard there is out there. He knows his role and he does it well. He's also very durable, one of the most reliable players in the league.
Jamal Crawford will provide me with extra scoring and shooting off the bench. Will definitely be out there in a tight game in the 4th quarter for us.
Although John Salmons had a bad season, he is still very skilled. I won't expect him to play a lot of minutes, but when he does, I expect him to play quality minutes. He is a very good defensive player and can knock down 3's. That's all I will need from him.
Antawn Jamison is obviously not the player he once was in his Golden State/Washington days, but he can still give us 11 ppg and 5 rebounds off the bench. I'm okay with that. I don't expect him to be the 18/9 guy he was in his younger days.
Tristan Thompson is still very raw, I agree. But the kid has talent. I expect him to improve a lot in his 2nd season in the NBA.
With all that said, I don't think my bench will be a problem. Our bench is probably not as stacked as a few other teams, but I'm confident that my 2nd unit would be able to hold on to a lead/extend it while the 1st unit is resting.
lakers are better more talent.
Appreciate the analysis. :)
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Don't understand all the love for the Lakers here. I think we got them beat. Pacific division is ours!
1. Steve Nash/Andre Miller
2. Jason Richardson/Jamal Crawford/Willie Green
3. Tayshaun Prince/John Salmons
4. Kevin Love/Antawn Jamison/Jason Maxiell
5. Joakim Noah/Tristan Thompson/Ekpe Udo
Improved my bench a little bit by moving some young, but very talented players, for proven veterans. Steve Nash took a very bad Phoenix Suns team to a .500 record in the West last year. With K-Love, Noah, etc., this is definitely the best team he's ever played with.
Terrific starting lineup.
The bench still gives me pause. Miller, and perhaps Crawford, seem like the only sure things you've got (and not necessarily in a good way from Jamal).
I don't know what to expect from Salmons anymore. Jamison is a nice guy and a consummate professional, but I don't know what he has left in the tank. While a personal favorite of mine, Maxiell has been erratic lately, and Udoh and TT are still so raw.
Don't know what's still possible at this point, but perhaps you've got one trade left in you?
I don't see why my bench is any worse than any other bench. Miller is the best backup point guard there is out there. He knows his role and he does it well. He's also very durable, one of the most reliable players in the league.
Jamal Crawford will provide me with extra scoring and shooting off the bench. Will definitely be out there in a tight game in the 4th quarter for us.
Although John Salmons had a bad season, he is still very skilled. I won't expect him to play a lot of minutes, but when he does, I expect him to play quality minutes. He is a very good defensive player and can knock down 3's. That's all I will need from him.
Antawn Jamison is obviously not the player he once was in his Golden State/Washington days, but he can still give us 11 ppg and 5 rebounds off the bench. I'm okay with that. I don't expect him to be the 18/9 guy he was in his younger days.
Tristan Thompson is still very raw, I agree. But the kid has talent. I expect him to improve a lot in his 2nd season in the NBA.
With all that said, I don't think my bench will be a problem. Our bench is probably not as stacked as a few other teams, but I'm confident that my 2nd unit would be able to hold on to a lead/extend it while the 1st unit is resting.
lakers are better more talent.
Appreciate the analysis. :)
Not in a bad way though you guys are still a great team but you said that you could beat them and i just cant see it
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C:Al Horford/ Nick Collison/ Chris Wicox
PF :LaMarcus Alridge/ Thomas Robinson/Chris Wilcox
SF:Rudy Gay/ Carlos Delfino/ Dahntay Jones
SG: Tony Allen/ Terrence Ross/Norris Cole
PG: Kyle Lowry/ Devin Harris/ Norris Cole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL6DQZYPBeU&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL6DQZYPBeU&feature=player_embedded)
I like this L@kers team a lot. I still like my G.S. to win the Pacific (the "G" stands for gimmicks) but the L@kers have the much stronger front court 1-2, one of the league's strongest in fact.
I didn't like what I saw from Thomas Robinson in summer league, but I love Collison.
No shooters necessary?
Kyle Lowry ( 37% from 3 last year), Rudy Gay ( Career 35%) and Carlos Delfino ( Career 40%) are wondering why you're being so mean?
Robinson will be valuable later in the year, but he's definitely behind Collison for most of the year and probably behind Wilcox to start the year.
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C:Al Horford/ Nick Collison/ Chris Wicox
PF :LaMarcus Alridge/ Thomas Robinson/Chris Wilcox
SF:Rudy Gay/ Carlos Delfino/ Dahntay Jones
SG: Tony Allen/ Terrence Ross/Norris Cole
PG: Kyle Lowry/ Devin Harris/ Norris Cole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL6DQZYPBeU&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL6DQZYPBeU&feature=player_embedded)
Terrific starting unit. Scary athletic.
I actually worry about the bench. Two rookies and a second-year player, a guy coming off of heart surgery, and a currently still-unsigned FA. A lot of question marks there. If one or two of these could be replaced by more sure things, I would feel much better.
The two rookies are 3rd/4th options , as is the second year player and the guy coming off heart surgery.
The major rotation players are : The starting 5, Collison, Delfino, Harris and Jones.
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C:Al Horford/ Nick Collison/ Chris Wicox
PF :LaMarcus Alridge/ Thomas Robinson/Chris Wilcox
SF:Rudy Gay/ Carlos Delfino/ Dahntay Jones
SG: Tony Allen/ Terrence Ross/Norris Cole
PG: Kyle Lowry/ Devin Harris/ Norris Cole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL6DQZYPBeU&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL6DQZYPBeU&feature=player_embedded)
Terrific starting unit. Scary athletic.
I actually worry about the bench. Two rookies and a second-year player, a guy coming off of heart surgery, and a currently still-unsigned FA. A lot of question marks there. If one or two of these could be replaced by more sure things, I would feel much better.
The two rookies are 3rd/4th options , as is the second year player and the guy coming off heart surgery.
The major rotation players are : The starting 5, Collison, Delfino, Harris and Jones.
In other words:
C: Al Horford/ Nick Collison
PF: LaMarcus Alridge/ Nick Collison
SF: Rudy Gay/ Carlos Delfino
SG: Tony Allen/ Dahntay Jones
PG: Kyle Lowry/ Devin Harris
I suspect Delfino will sign with someone in the NBA soon. He's too good not to be signed here. Unless a European team opts to throw a lot of money at him.
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C:Al Horford/ Nick Collison/ Chris Wicox
PF :LaMarcus Alridge/ Thomas Robinson/Chris Wilcox
SF:Rudy Gay/ Carlos Delfino/ Dahntay Jones
SG: Tony Allen/ Terrence Ross/Norris Cole
PG: Kyle Lowry/ Devin Harris/ Norris Cole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL6DQZYPBeU&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL6DQZYPBeU&feature=player_embedded)
Terrific starting unit. Scary athletic.
I actually worry about the bench. Two rookies and a second-year player, a guy coming off of heart surgery, and a currently still-unsigned FA. A lot of question marks there. If one or two of these could be replaced by more sure things, I would feel much better.
The two rookies are 3rd/4th options , as is the second year player and the guy coming off heart surgery.
The major rotation players are : The starting 5, Collison, Delfino, Harris and Jones.
In other words:
C: Al Horford/ Nick Collison
PF: LaMarcus Alridge/ Nick Collison
SF: Rudy Gay/ Carlos Delfino
SG: Tony Allen/ Dahntay Jones
PG: Kyle Lowry/ Devin Harris
I suspect Delfino will sign with someone in the NBA soon. He's too good not to be signed here. Unless a European team opts to throw a lot of money at him.
Basically, with Harris and Delfino being able to play some 2 guard as well. Jone's minutes will be the fewest.
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2012 CB Houston Boxers are complete. This is the final roster and the Boxers will not be making any more moves.
Larry Brown - Coach
PG: Lin/Beaubois/Rivers
SG: Kidd-Gilchrist/Lee/Rivers
SF: Barnes/Kidd-Gilchrist/Faried
PF: Ibaka/Faried/Montiejunas/Henson
C: Valanciunas/Andersen/Odoh
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Alright new Squad again lol and it could change again!
PG-Westbrook/Augustin
SG-Ellis/Meeks/Brooks
SF-Leonard/Brewer/Maggette/Babbit
PF-Haslem/Warrick/Babbit
C-Gasol/Mozgov
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Alright new Squad again lol and it could change again!
PG-Westbrook/Augustin
SG-Ellis/Meeks/Brooks
SF-Leonard/Brewer/Maggette/Babbit
PF-Haslem/Warrick/Babbit
C-Gasol/Mozgov
I like it!! ;D
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After FA:
Cleveland Derps:
Roster and projected rotation:
PG - Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless
SG - Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy
SF - Carmelo Anthony / Tracy McGrady
PF - Jason Smith / Kenyon Martin
C - Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Deep bench: Perry Jones III, Derek Fisher, Terrence Williams
Head Coach: Greg Popovich (exceptional coaching is part of success)
I would waive Jason Smith and sign Tyrus Thomas.
Tyrus has an awful campaign last year but he is a legitimate starting PF in the NBA and by far the best player available that went undrafted.
Tyrus Thomas and Andrew Bogut complement one another brilliantly on the defensive end of the floor. Tyrus also has a good jump-shot to help improve your spacing offensively. Still a young player too.
Ty has had a brutal go of it. But he'd definitely increase the talent at the 4.
I'd still keep Smith, though. Dump Terrence Williams instead?
I am fine with that. Or Perry Jones III.
I think Thomas could start next to Bogut on that team. Wouldn't be stoked about it, but it could work well for stretches defensively.
Yeah, I'd definitely start Tyrus at PF.
I do like his talent, but I have a problem with Thomas' work ethic.
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Alright new Squad again lol and it could change again!
PG-Westbrook/Augustin
SG-Ellis/Meeks/Brooks
SF-Leonard/Brewer/Maggette/Babbit
PF-Haslem/Warrick/Babbit
C-Gasol/Mozgov
Half-wondering if your team isn't better off dropping Haslem from the starting lineup and going small at the two forward positions.
Sliding Kawhi Leonard over to PF as an undersized quick four. I think he is a good enough rebounder to do very well there. He has the shooting and quickness to cause problems offensively. He has the tools to be a disruptive team defender there.
Open up the court for Westbrook + Monta to do their thing. Play Marc Gasol on the elbows firing passes to cutters like Wilt did on those Lakers teams in the early 70s ... with Monta and Westbrook being Goodrich and West in terms of roles within the team.
Nobody really suitable to take over for Kawhi at SF on your current roster though. It would require another trade.
Hmmm ... anyway, just a thought.
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Kyle Lowry ( 37% from 3 last year), Rudy Gay ( Career 35%) and Carlos Delfino ( Career 40%) are wondering why you're being so mean?
Tell them that I was very complimentary of the L@kers front court. But your slight of hand needs work. We get Gay and Delfino's career #s but Lowry's "3 year average." Why is that? Also, Delfino shot 40% from the FLOOR for his career not from behind the arc (36%). I can understand why you'd hope otherwise.
So, in terms of shooting at least, it's clearly Golden State or the Clippers then L@kers then Phoenix.
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I'm gonna have a long week next week. I think I'm gona disagree with you guys a lot.
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I'm gonna have a long week next week. I think I'm gona disagree with you guys a lot.
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I'm gonna have a long week next week. I think I'm gona disagree with you guys a lot.
Well he's clearly not talking about me.
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Kyle Lowry ( 37% from 3 last year), Rudy Gay ( Career 35%) and Carlos Delfino ( Career 40%) are wondering why you're being so mean?
Tell them that I was very complimentary of the L@kers front court. But your slight of hand needs work. We get Gay and Delfino's career #s but Lowry's "3 year average." Why is that? Also, Delfino shot 40% from the FLOOR for his career not from behind the arc (36%). I can understand why you'd hope otherwise.
So, in terms of shooting at least, it's clearly Golden State or the Clippers then L@kers then Phoenix.
Because I type fast, Delfino 36%. Also, that was Lowry's percentage this year. Strangely enough Devin Harris was also lights out this year and Dahntay shot 40%+ from beyond the arc.
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Kyle Lowry ( 37% from 3 last year), Rudy Gay ( Career 35%) and Carlos Delfino ( Career 40%) are wondering why you're being so mean?
Tell them that I was very complimentary of the L@kers front court. But your slight of hand needs work. We get Gay and Delfino's career #s but Lowry's "3 year average." Why is that? Also, Delfino shot 40% from the FLOOR for his career not from behind the arc (36%). I can understand why you'd hope otherwise.
So, in terms of shooting at least, it's clearly Golden State or the Clippers then L@kers then Phoenix.
Because I type fast, Delfino 36%. Also, that was Lowry's percentage this year. Strangely enough Devin Harris was also lights out this year and Dahntay shot 40%+ from beyond the arc.
How many attempts? Total and per game? The sample size might skew the results.
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Kyle Lowry ( 37% from 3 last year), Rudy Gay ( Career 35%) and Carlos Delfino ( Career 40%) are wondering why you're being so mean?
Tell them that I was very complimentary of the L@kers front court. But your slight of hand needs work. We get Gay and Delfino's career #s but Lowry's "3 year average." Why is that? Also, Delfino shot 40% from the FLOOR for his career not from behind the arc (36%). I can understand why you'd hope otherwise.
So, in terms of shooting at least, it's clearly Golden State or the Clippers then L@kers then Phoenix.
Because I type fast, Delfino 36%. Also, that was Lowry's percentage this year. Strangely enough Devin Harris was also lights out this year and Dahntay shot 40%+ from beyond the arc.
How many attempts? Total and per game? The sample size might skew the results.
77-213 for Harris for 36%. Jones hit 33-77 for 42% but I was just messing with WW. If I wanted to go for the jugular, I'd mention Shaun Livingston's 2-3 66%
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Kyle Lowry ( 37% from 3 last year), Rudy Gay ( Career 35%) and Carlos Delfino ( Career 40%) are wondering why you're being so mean?
Tell them that I was very complimentary of the L@kers front court. But your slight of hand needs work. We get Gay and Delfino's career #s but Lowry's "3 year average." Why is that? Also, Delfino shot 40% from the FLOOR for his career not from behind the arc (36%). I can understand why you'd hope otherwise.
So, in terms of shooting at least, it's clearly Golden State or the Clippers then L@kers then Phoenix.
Because I type fast, Delfino 36%. Also, that was Lowry's percentage this year. Strangely enough Devin Harris was also lights out this year and Dahntay shot 40%+ from beyond the arc.
How many attempts? Total and per game? The sample size might skew the results.
77-213 for Harris for 36%. Jones hit 33-77 for 42% but I was just messing with WW. If I wanted to go for the jugular, I'd mention Shaun Livingston's 2-3 66%
Lol not bad for Harris. Not bad at all.
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La is a very strong team
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The hawks....pretty much final
Pg: George hill/Jason Kidd/ reggie Jackson
Sg:Kobe bryant/George hill/grant hill
Sf: mbah a moute/grant hill/cj miles
Pf:David west/ lavoy Allen/ Ryan Hollins
C: Tim Duncan/ Sam Dalembert/ Ryan Hollins
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The hawks....pretty much final
Pg: George hill/Jason Kidd/ reggie Jackson
Sg:Kobe bryant/George hill/grant hill
Sf: mbah a moute/grant hill/cj miles
Pf:David west/ lavoy Allen/ Ryan Hollins
C: Tim Duncan/ Sam Dalembert/ Ryan Hollins
I's start Hill, but otherwise I like it a lot.
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The hawks....pretty much final
Pg: George hill/Jason Kidd/ reggie Jackson
Sg:Kobe bryant/George hill/grant hill
Sf: mbah a moute/grant hill/cj miles
Pf:David west/ lavoy Allen/ Ryan Hollins
C: Tim Duncan/ Sam Dalembert/ Ryan Hollins
I's start Hill, but otherwise I like it a lot.
I have thought about it, but I like hills creative abilities with the second unit. Don't really need his scoring with the starters, but to close out the game you very well might see this lineup
Kidd
Kobe
Hill
West
Duncan
Kobe guards the pg, Kidd guards the sg
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Kane, Celticpride07 - please check your PMs....
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Kane, Celticpride07 - please check your PMs....
I responded.
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After FA acquisitions:
Cleveland Derps
Roster and projected rotation.
PG: Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless / (Roy)
SG: Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy / (TMac)
SF: Carmelo Anthony / Tracy McGrady / Terrence Williams
PF: Tyrus Thomas / Jason Smith / (Drummond)
C : Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Head Coach: Greg Popovich (terrific coaching)
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After FA acquisitions:
Cleveland Derps
Roster and projected rotation.
PG: Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless / (Roy)
SG: Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy / (TMac)
SF: Carmelo Anthony / Tracy McGrady / Terrence Williams
PF: Tyrus Thomas / Jason Smith / (Drummond)
C : Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Head Coach: Greg Popovich (terrific coaching)
I really like that starting lineup two through five. I think they all work very well together and will be an imposing defensive and rebounding unit.
Not a fan of Felton. That is my only concern in the starting lineup.
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After FA acquisitions:
Cleveland Derps
Roster and projected rotation.
PG: Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless / (Roy)
SG: Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy / (TMac)
SF: Carmelo Anthony / Tracy McGrady / Terrence Williams
PF: Tyrus Thomas / Jason Smith / (Drummond)
C : Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Head Coach: Greg Popovich (terrific coaching)
I really like that starting lineup two through five. I think they all work very well together and will be an imposing defensive and rebounding unit.
Not a fan of Felton. That is my only concern in the starting lineup.
T-Wil at PG? That's possible right?
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After FA acquisitions:
Cleveland Derps
Roster and projected rotation.
PG: Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless / (Roy)
SG: Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy / (TMac)
SF: Carmelo Anthony / Tracy McGrady / Terrence Williams
PF: Tyrus Thomas / Jason Smith / (Drummond)
C : Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Head Coach: Greg Popovich (terrific coaching)
I really like that starting lineup two through five. I think they all work very well together and will be an imposing defensive and rebounding unit.
Not a fan of Felton. That is my only concern in the starting lineup.
T-Wil at PG? That's possible right?
Eh, Williams has played very little PG in his career to date, and i certainly wouldn't trust the guy to run an offense.
Felton is definitely still an asset, though. He's not going to get you a lot in return coming off that gross year he had but you could probably flip him for more of a floor-spacing PG. All the offense should go through Melo/Bogut anyways.
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After FA acquisitions:
Cleveland Derps
Roster and projected rotation.
PG: Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless / (Roy)
SG: Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy / (TMac)
SF: Carmelo Anthony / Tracy McGrady / Terrence Williams
PF: Tyrus Thomas / Jason Smith / (Drummond)
C : Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Head Coach: Greg Popovich (terrific coaching)
I really like that starting lineup two through five. I think they all work very well together and will be an imposing defensive and rebounding unit.
Not a fan of Felton. That is my only concern in the starting lineup.
T-Wil at PG? That's possible right?
I could be talked into that very easily (once I get past the initial negative reaction) but I don't think that would go down well with the rest of the voters.
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After FA acquisitions:
Cleveland Derps
Roster and projected rotation.
PG: Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless / (Roy)
SG: Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy / (TMac)
SF: Carmelo Anthony / Tracy McGrady / Terrence Williams
PF: Tyrus Thomas / Jason Smith / (Drummond)
C : Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond
Head Coach: Greg Popovich (terrific coaching)
I really like that starting lineup two through five. I think they all work very well together and will be an imposing defensive and rebounding unit.
Not a fan of Felton. That is my only concern in the starting lineup.
T-Wil at PG? That's possible right?
I could be talked into that very easily (once I get past the initial negative reaction) but I don't think that would go down well with the rest of the voters.
Yuck. T will? I'd rather have t Mac at the point forward. Like with Detroit last year.
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PG: Terrence Williams
SG: Brandon Rush
SF: Carmelo Anthony
PF: Tyrus Thomas
C : Andrew Bogut
I think that would be an very strong defensive lineup that would be excellent at forcing turnovers.
Think about having Andrew Bogut as a defensive anchor + two uber-athletes like T-Will and Ty Thomas who can cover lots of ground defensively + a well above average defensive two with very good size + Carmelo at SF with his athleticism and size.
The size and length of Terrence Williams (6-6), Rush (6-7), Carmelo (6-8) and Ty Thomas (6-8) scrambling defensively. Being able to switch matchups comfortably. Having the quickness to play aggressive help defense and still get back to their own man.
Plus, then the rebounding of Terrence Williams at PG. I think he's good for around 7 rebounds a game as a starting PG playing 35-37 minutes a night.
I mean ... I think we're talking about an extra 5 possessions a game for Cleveland between the added rebounds and turnovers that inserting T-Will into the starting lineup would create.
Even with a less efficient offensive option at PG, that is still a huge number of extra possessions to work with ... I have to think that would be a net positive for Cleveland.
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Linas Kleiza, making the CrotoNats look good against team USA today. (Lebron looked okay, too.)
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Awesome.
Oh, sorry i thought the title of the thread was like a Jeopardy thing... where you're supposed to answer or it was the form of a question.
or form of.. A WATER SLIDE!
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#1) You didn't even answer the actual question about notwithstanding?
#2) Because I didn't agree with you about Ricky Rubio, you think its pointless to try to tell me what to expect from a extremely talented 19 year old rookie? Weak. I might be a bit conventional about positions, and rookies at times, but you've got a few very accurate projections. I'm willing to listen, and kind of offended that you think I'm either too set in myways to give it an honest try, or too dumb to understand the implications you're making.
And that's with the hope that you don't think I'm so much of a jerk that I'd just ask a question so I can tell you you're wrong.
1) I don't know! It's 14th century Middle English that only lawyers use now.
2) Yeah, I realize my first answer is too woeful. But answers to the question you're asking are all over the internets, and statistical flights of fancy tend to go over with a thud here. So it's not that I feel it's pointless to argue with you, I feel it's pointless to argue with anybody. I'm a convert to SO's rule of thumb, keep it succinct.
Caveat, I'm an NBA head, not a college basketball head, but where does his freshman season rank?
• Unanimous first-team All-American.
• Voted best freshman of the year, winning the Wayman Tisdale Award.
• Won the Wooden Award, Naismith Award, Adolph Rupp Trophy and AP Player of the Year.
• Broke the NCAA freshman block record and won AP Defensive Player of the Year honors.
• Named Most Outstanding Player of the NCAA Tournament while leading his team to a national championship.
• Consensus #1 pick and now a U.S. Olympian.
And you and Roy and KC can joke, but I think the Olympic selection is a meaningful impact on his development, and it's got me even more excited for the kid. It's basically training camp with the NBA's Avengers.
In terms of player comparisons, as a 19 year-old freshman he was rebounding (11.6 per 36 versus 9.65), stealing the basketball (1.52 vs 1.14) and blocking shots (5.31 vs. 4.56) at a higher rate than Marcus Camby did at any point in his college career, while - and this I find really impressive - fouling at a lower rate (2.19 vs 3.1).
So then I'd set Camby's rookie year 14.8 and 6.3 with 1 steal and 2 blocks as Davis's basement. He's going to be better than that. He's so much quicker and his body control is better.
If that answer is too dry for you? DraftExpress say his best case scenario is Blake Griffin meets Tyson Chandler.
My only cause for concern short-term is that while he's phenomenal at finishing anything around the rim, he needs passes and New Orleans after dumping Jarrett Jack has the worst guard rotation in the league. That team is one Eric Gordon set back from starting Vasquez and Roger Mason. How u.
First, sorry for not getting to this earlier. Slipped through the cracks somehow. I asked for it, and it was a faux-pas on my part. (yes, I did that so you could mock me using 'faux pas')
Second, yeah I'm coming around to Anthony Davis. He's playing a ton at the Olympics with or without a jersey which means his rookie production is fast-tracked this season.
I'm coming around on the Warriors. Pragmatically, if Anthony Davis can get some good looks, he's a lock for rookie of the year, and he'll get all the minutes his uni-brow can handle, and then some. He seems like a great kid with maturity beyond his unibrow, so I unibrow that his learning curve will be minimal, to the point where he might as well be a sophomore by the time the playoffs roll around.
Plus you've got Warriors (no pun not intended) around him like Manu and Iggy who are also very very good playmakers for their traditional positions. Anthony Davis should flourish there, and I agree with you that your basement is a very conservative estimate.
Yeah I'm sold on Anthony Davis. He'll get pushed around by some centers for a year or two but there are precious few of those guys, and Miami proved that with dynamic defenders and uber athleticism, you can overcome that increasingly outdated notion of centers dominating the game, and still win. For every 1-step power dunk a Bynum or Howard rains down on him, he'll be altering 2 or 3 shots that might have gone in anyways.
And the Bethlehem Shoals piece I read verbatim over the phone to my buddy with the preface, "Wanna know why I think basketball blogs are head and shoulders above ESPN or Newspapers?"
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I'm back...celticspride07 check PM.
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BOOOOORRRRRIIIIIIIING!
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Awesome.
Oh, sorry i thought the title of the thread was like a Jeopardy thing... where you're supposed to answer or it was the form of a question.
or form of.. A WATER SLIDE!
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Lol!
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Feel the rhythm feel the ride! Get on up, it's bobsled time!
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PG: Terrence Williams
SG: Brandon Rush
SF: Carmelo Anthony
PF: Tyrus Thomas
C : Andrew Bogut
I think that would be an very strong defensive lineup that would be excellent at forcing turnovers.
Think about having Andrew Bogut as a defensive anchor + two uber-athletes like T-Will and Ty Thomas who can cover lots of ground defensively + a well above average defensive two with very good size + Carmelo at SF with his athleticism and size.
The size and length of Terrence Williams (6-6), Rush (6-7), Carmelo (6-8) and Ty Thomas (6-8) scrambling defensively. Being able to switch matchups comfortably. Having the quickness to play aggressive help defense and still get back to their own man.
Plus, then the rebounding of Terrence Williams at PG. I think he's good for around 7 rebounds a game as a starting PG playing 35-37 minutes a night.
I mean ... I think we're talking about an extra 5 possessions a game for Cleveland between the added rebounds and turnovers that inserting T-Will into the starting lineup would create.
Even with a less efficient offensive option at PG, that is still a huge number of extra possessions to work with ... I have to think that would be a net positive for Cleveland.
I haven't thought about it until you, sir Who gave this explanation. While I'm still leaning towards Felton starting because of his better playmaking, I'm starting to like a T-Will PG idea.
Way better defensively that lineup would be. It would give up some of the scoring, but this team has Carmelo.
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Marcin Gortat
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Steph Curry
Bench:
Lou Williams
Chauncey Billups
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
DeAndre Jordan
Greg Stiemsma
Al Farouq Aminu
Dion Waiters (do i have the best starting big men?)
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Marcin Gortat
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Steph Curry
Bench:
Lou Williams
Chauncey Billups
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
DeAndre Jordan
Greg Stiemsma
Al Farouq Aminu
Dion Waiters (do i have the best starting big men?)
I'd say you have among the best bigs out there.
I think KG/Booz would compete with just about any Big tandem out there, too. Plus, Zaza and Speights spent a good portion of the year starting for ATL and MEM.
We also have Meyers Leonard and Andrew Nicholson which will push for playing time, too.
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Marcin Gortat
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Steph Curry
Bench:
Lou Williams
Chauncey Billups
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
DeAndre Jordan
Greg Stiemsma
Al Farouq Aminu
Dion Waiters (do i have the best starting big men?)
I'd say you have among the best bigs out there.
I think KG/Booz would compete with just about any Big tandem out there, too. Plus, Zaza and Speights spent a good portion of the year starting for ATL and MEM.
We also have Meyers Leonard and Andrew Nicholson which will push for playing time, too.
You guys have some great bigs also but id say our bigs are slightly better and our backup bigs are better also
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Marcin Gortat
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Steph Curry
Bench:
Lou Williams
Chauncey Billups
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
DeAndre Jordan
Greg Stiemsma
Al Farouq Aminu
Dion Waiters (do i have the best starting big men?)
I'd say you have among the best bigs out there.
I think KG/Booz would compete with just about any Big tandem out there, too. Plus, Zaza and Speights spent a good portion of the year starting for ATL and MEM.
We also have Meyers Leonard and Andrew Nicholson which will push for playing time, too.
You guys have some great bigs also but id say our bigs are slightly better and our backup bigs are better also
KG and Pau are just about a wash...
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=garneke01&p2=gasolpa01
but Boozer and Gortat?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=boozeca01&p2=gortama01
DeAndre is an athletic c, but he has little post-game, as was evident in the playoffs. Plus, he doesn't shoot freethrows well, yet. He relies on lobs and great looks from his PG to be effective right now.
Stiemsma will provide you some shot-blocking off the bench, but matched up with either Speights or Zaza would prove a bit daunting, I think, for him. Speights has enough of an offensive rythm to where he could cause Steim problems.
I'm not exactly sure of Dejuan Blair's medical issues, but I thought I read somewhere that he has little cartilage left with his knees?
To be honest - I did attempt to acquire Gortat. But with that potential acquisition I was mindful of the fact that he is not a good distributor yet. KG and Booz are good at this skill and I could easily see them switching out high and low post and getting the ball to one another.
My ONLY real concern with my bigs are vs quick, athletic PFs, such as Bosh. KG at this point could guard him only in stretches.
A weakness that I've seen with Boozer is that there are some long Cs and PFs that have given him some trouble in the past, based off of their length. I've seen little of this with him in CHI, though, matched up with Noah.
With that being said, I think Boozer/KG could cover very well for themselves and work together. Boozer did not have a very good yr last year, but that was without Derek Rose most of the year.
In this format, he'd have Mike Conley Jr, Trevor Ariza, and KG with the ability to distribute the ball to not only him, but one another.
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Who owns The Birdman?
Anyone?
Or is he a free agent?
If he's free I may be bringing him in...
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Birdman is taken.
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Did the Gortat trade even get announced yet Ronaldo or IP?
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Marcin Gortat
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Steph Curry
Bench:
Lou Williams
Chauncey Billups
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
DeAndre Jordan
Greg Stiemsma
Al Farouq Aminu
Dion Waiters (do i have the best starting big men?)
Very good team.
Only concern for me is Steph's glass ankles. And also Gortat's play without Nash, which shouldn't be much of a problem but still a little concern.
But this is a very good team.
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WestBrook
Ellis
Leonard
Haslem
Gasol
Maggette
Brooks
Brewer
Augustin
Babbit
Warrick
Mozgov
Meeks
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Did the Gortat trade even get announced yet Ronaldo or IP?
Gortat, Billups, Aminu for Bargnani, G.Vasquez and R.Jefferson?
Oh wait, Kevin Martin is there too. Big trade.
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2012 CB OKC Thunder
Pg: Mario Chalmers, Greivis Vasquez, Jimmer Fredette
Sg: Tyreke Evans, Kevin Martin
Sf: Caron Butler, DeMar DeRozan, Richard Jefferson
Pf: Andrea Bargnani, Rashard Lewis, Markieff Morris
C: Andrew Bynum, Chris Kaman
Couldn't keep both Gortat and Bynum and I thought Gortat was overrated a little so got some good depth and pieces.
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Did the Gortat trade even get announced yet Ronaldo or IP?
No guys, it didn't.
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Marcin Gortat
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Steph Curry
Bench:
Lou Williams
Chauncey Billups
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
DeAndre Jordan
Greg Stiemsma
Al Farouq Aminu
Dion Waiters (do i have the best starting big men?)
That's a very impressive squad. Very well done for anyone, nevermind a newbie (ps - where is JSD? is he still in the oganization?)
I'd love to watch Gortat and Gasol play together offensively. They might be a bit slow on the defensive end, but Crash Wallace is a nice plug in here, he'll do a lot of the dirty work. Ontop of that you can bring in Deandre off the bench? jeez that's solid.
Also any concerns about Curry's ankles are mitigated by a deeeeeep guard rotation.
Good stuff.
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Marcin Gortat
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Steph Curry
Bench:
Lou Williams
Chauncey Billups
Steve Novak
DeJuan Blair
DeAndre Jordan
Greg Stiemsma
Al Farouq Aminu
Dion Waiters (do i have the best starting big men?)
That's a very impressive squad. Very well done for anyone, nevermind a newbie (ps - where is JSD? is he still in the oganization?)
I'd love to watch Gortat and Gasol play together offensively. They might be a bit slow on the defensive end, but Crash Wallace is a nice plug in here, he'll do a lot of the dirty work. Ontop of that you can bring in Deandre off the bench? jeez that's solid.
Also any concerns about Curry's ankles are mitigated by a deeeeeep guard rotation.
Good stuff.
Thanks this is actually 99.9 percent JSD's team and .1 percent mine but since he hadnt been on i decided to do some trades, hopefully he liked them
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Marcin Gortat
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Stephen Curry
Bench:
Guards: Lou Williams, Chauncey Billups, Jameer Nelson
Forwards: Michael Beasley, Steve Novak, DeJuan Blair
Centers: Spencer Hawes, Greg Stiemsma
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im bored willing to give team analysis post them up!
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2012 CB OKC Thunder
Pg: Mario Chalmers, Greivis Vasquez, Jimmer Fredette
Sg: Tyreke Evans, Kevin Martin
Sf: Caron Butler, DeMar DeRozan, Richard Jefferson
Pf: Andrea Bargnani, Rashard Lewis, Markieff Morris
C: Andrew Bynum, Chris Kaman
Comments?
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2012 CB OKC Thunder
Pg: Mario Chalmers, Greivis Vasquez, Jimmer Fredette
Sg: Tyreke Evans, Kevin Martin
Sf: Caron Butler, DeMar DeRozan, Richard Jefferson
Pf: Andrea Bargnani, Rashard Lewis, Markieff Morris
C: Andrew Bynum, Chris Kaman
Comments?
i really like your team, the only position i dont like is starting sf, also i dont like tyreke playing with chalmers id rather see him play with vasquez and hopefully you can upgrade your pf position, you have a really nice playoff team
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Marcin Gortat
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Stephen Curry
Bench:
Guards: Lou Williams, Chauncey Billups, Jameer Nelson
Forwards: Michael Beasley, Steve Novak, DeJuan Blair
Centers: Spencer Hawes, Greg Stiemsma
I still worry about your backcourt. Jr is a headcase and Steph has glass ankles.
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BOOOOOOORRRRRIIIIING
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2012 CB OKC Thunder
Pg: Mario Chalmers, Greivis Vasquez, Jimmer Fredette
Sg: Tyreke Evans, Kevin Martin
Sf: Caron Butler, DeMar DeRozan, Richard Jefferson
Pf: Andrea Bargnani, Rashard Lewis, Markieff Morris
C: Andrew Bynum, Chris Kaman
Comments?
I would play Richard Jefferson ahead of DeRozan at backup SF.
I don't think you'll get good value out of Kevin Martin there. It would be great if you could find a trade to net you a player that fits your team better than he does.
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2012 CB OKC Thunder
Pg: Mario Chalmers, Greivis Vasquez, Jimmer Fredette
Sg: Tyreke Evans, Kevin Martin
Sf: Caron Butler, DeMar DeRozan, Richard Jefferson
Pf: Andrea Bargnani, Rashard Lewis, Markieff Morris
C: Andrew Bynum, Chris Kaman
Comments?
Backcourt: I think a Chalmers/Evans backcourt can work. They're not the most talented duo in the league by any means, but each person's flaws seem to be countered to some degree by their partner.
Forwards: I don't like either guy starting. Butler isn't a guy I think that really brings to the table what anyone wants out of a 30 mpg guy. he's a volume scorer who isn't all that solid from 3, and who is lazy on defense. Bargnani is one of the worst defenders in the league, and didn't even shoot all that great last year. Either guy would be good coming off the bench, but neither guy is an ideal starter for me.
Center: Very strong. Bynum is a beast. I wish there was a little more playmaking (Evans is your best passer among your starters, and that's gotta be a little worrying) to make sure he got the ball in good places, but Bynum is kind of a force in the blocks, and is the clear #1 option here.
Bench: I like Vasquez, Martin, and DeRozen coming off the bench, but I think Richard Jefferson should see a few more minutes than either guy in front of him. Kaman is also a top notch backup, and Markieff Morris I think will improve on a inconsistent but promising rookie campaign to outright jump Lewis and maybe Bargnani.
The only concern I have about your bench is Kaman giving half-effort because he's gonna get few minutes and as a backup. He wanted no parts of that kind of role and has said so.
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Team is in Sig..Still trying to tinker
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Marcin Gortat
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Stephen Curry
Bench:
Guards: Lou Williams, Chauncey Billups, Jameer Nelson
Forwards: Michael Beasley, Steve Novak, DeJuan Blair
Centers: Spencer Hawes, Greg Stiemsma
I still worry about your backcourt. Jr is a headcase and Steph has glass ankles.
J.R. is not going to play that much it will mainly be Lou Williams and Curry, we will make sure that curry doesnt hurt his ankles :)
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Team is in Sig..Still trying to tinker
A nice starting lineup except i dont think Ellis and Durant will work out, and you have very little depth
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We have brewer on the bench as well
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We have brewer on the bench as well
None of thos guys are impact players though
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Marcin Gortat
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Stephen Curry
Bench:
Guards: Lou Williams, Chauncey Billups, Jameer Nelson
Forwards: Michael Beasley, Steve Novak, DeJuan Blair
Centers: Spencer Hawes, Greg Stiemsma
I still worry about your backcourt. Jr is a headcase and Steph has glass ankles.
J.R. is not going to play that much it will mainly be Lou Williams and Curry, we will make sure that curry doesnt hurt his ankles :)
Man, guess that should have been golden states strategy too
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Marcin Gortat
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Stephen Curry
Bench:
Guards: Lou Williams, Chauncey Billups, Jameer Nelson
Forwards: Michael Beasley, Steve Novak, DeJuan Blair
Centers: Spencer Hawes, Greg Stiemsma
I still worry about your backcourt. Jr is a headcase and Steph has glass ankles.
J.R. is not going to play that much it will mainly be Lou Williams and Curry, we will make sure that curry doesnt hurt his ankles :)
Man, guess that should have been golden states strategy too
Yea, that should have been their strategy.
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2012 CB OKC Thunder
Pg: Mario Chalmers, Greivis Vasquez, Jimmer Fredette
Sg: Tyreke Evans, Kevin Martin
Sf: Caron Butler, DeMar DeRozan, Richard Jefferson
Pf: Andrea Bargnani, Rashard Lewis, Markieff Morris
C: Andrew Bynum, Chris Kaman
Comments?
Backcourt: I think a Chalmers/Evans backcourt can work. They're not the most talented duo in the league by any means, but each person's flaws seem to be countered to some degree by their partner.
Forwards: I don't like either guy starting. Butler isn't a guy I think that really brings to the table what anyone wants out of a 30 mpg guy. he's a volume scorer who isn't all that solid from 3, and who is lazy on defense. Bargnani is one of the worst defenders in the league, and didn't even shoot all that great last year. Either guy would be good coming off the bench, but neither guy is an ideal starter for me.
Center: Very strong. Bynum is a beast. I wish there was a little more playmaking (Evans is your best passer among your starters, and that's gotta be a little worrying) to make sure he got the ball in good places, but Bynum is kind of a force in the blocks, and is the clear #1 option here.
Bench: I like Vasquez, Martin, and DeRozen coming off the bench, but I think Richard Jefferson should see a few more minutes than either guy in front of him. Kaman is also a top notch backup, and Markieff Morris I think will improve on a inconsistent but promising rookie campaign to outright jump Lewis and maybe Bargnani.
The only concern I have about your bench is Kaman giving half-effort because he's gonna get few minutes and as a backup. He wanted no parts of that kind of role and has said so.
I agree on the starting backcourt. I think it can work.
I'm not so down on Bargs next to Bynum in the starting lineup. I think the pair can work, provided an absolute lock-down defender with length at SF to help out. And Butler and Jefferson aren't the right guys here. DeRozan has promise, although I think he's better at SG.
Doubt it's possible at this point, but see if you can move Kevin Martin for a wing defender with length.
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Questions for panelist, if I may.
Will the coaches and their style affect the voting process, or are they just there for formality?
Next is, is it a good idea to start Roy at PG over Felton? I understand his knee problems but the man is cleared to play and we can all assume he would at least give 15-20 minutes a game?
Thanks, it helps the presser.
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Questions for panelist, if I may.
Will the coaches and their style affect the voting process, or are they just there for formality?
Next is, is it a good idea to start Roy at PG over Felton? I understand his knee problems but the man is cleared to play and we can all assume he would at least give 15-20 minutes a game?
Thanks, it helps the presser.
1st question : Not typically unless it's someone like D'Antoni who has one system.
2nd: Good God no.
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So here is my team, as I see it. Guys listed earlier at a position means more pt than the guy behind him.
Holiday/Jack/Shved
Wade/Jack/Lamb
Pierce/Parsons/Butler
Bosh/Young/Parsons
Splitter/Bosh/Haywood/Vucevic
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So here is my team, as I see it. Guys listed earlier at a position means more pt than the guy behind him.
Holiday/Jack/Shved
Wade/Jack/Lamb
Pierce/Parsons/Butler
Bosh/Young/Parsons
Splitter/Bosh/Haywood/Vucevic
I think you needed more pretty decent centers.
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Looking for thoughts on the rotation, are there guys I'm not playing enough? Too much?
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So here is my team, as I see it. Guys listed earlier at a position means more pt than the guy behind him.
Holiday/Jack/Shved
Wade/Jack/Lamb
Pierce/Parsons/Butler
Bosh/Young/Parsons
Splitter/Bosh/Haywood/Vucevic
I think you needed more pretty decent centers.
Haha, funny thing is I never reallly put them in trades where it wasn't a clear win for me. Should've dealt Haywood for another 4 probably.
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Looking for thoughts on the rotation, are there guys I'm not playing enough? Too much?
You're playing Wade too many minutes, start Jack.
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Ok NYK final roster looks like this
Caldaron/Ellis
Ellis/Brewer/Meeks
Leonard/Maggette/Brewer/Babbit
Durant/BBD/Warrick
Jordan/Mozgov
Yes ellis will be backup PG cause he will handle the ball when Caldaron is getting rest then when brewer comes in he subs with Jose to take back over the PG duites.
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Ahh hate it when a team backs out of a deal when the dudes been on the block for days lol ..oh well
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Ok NYK final roster looks like this
Caldaron/Ellis
Ellis/Brewer/Meeks
Leonard/Maggette/Brewer/Babbit
Durant/BBD/Warrick
Jordan/Mozgov
Yes ellis will be backup PG cause he will handle the ball when Caldaron is getting rest then when brewer comes in he subs with Jose to take back over the PG duites.
Think you're gonna have to start either Brewer or Meeks.
Ellis
Brewer
Durant
BBD
Jordan
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Monta and Durant won't work IMHO
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2012 CB OKC Thunder
Pg: Mario Chalmers, Greivis Vasquez, Jimmer Fredette
Sg: Tyreke Evans, Kevin Martin (Jimmer)
Sf: Caron Butler,, Richard Jefferson
Pf: Andrea Bargnani, Tyler hansbrough Markieff Morris
C: Andrew Bynum, Chris Kaman Kendrick Perkins
Extremely deep in the big man department watch out Dwight!
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Monta and Durant won't work IMHO
imagine that..
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Ok NYK final roster looks like this
Caldaron/Ellis
Ellis/Brewer/Meeks
Leonard/Maggette/Brewer/Babbit
Durant/BBD/Warrick
Jordan/Mozgov
Yes ellis will be backup PG cause he will handle the ball when Caldaron is getting rest then when brewer comes in he subs with Jose to take back over the PG duites.
Think you're gonna have to start either Brewer or Meeks.
Ellis
Brewer
Durant
BBD
Jordan
Huh, Knicks final roster is a bit of a puzzle. I prefer Calderon/Ellis in the backcourt. I'm a big believer in running your best five players out and anyway Durant has shown he can thrive next to a fairly ball dominate guard. But with that, I'd likely move Leonard to the bench, even though he's clearly a starting caliber 3.
Calderon/ Ellis
Ellis/ Brewer/ Meeks
Durant/ Leonard/ Maggette
Davis/ Warrick/ Babbitt
Jordan/ Mozgov
Maybe?
You should've dropped Babbitt or Meeks in a pre-deadline F.A. bid for a third string point guard. Even a 10-15 game injury to either Jose or Monta is going to ruin your backcourt rotation, since your remaining guards all are subpar ball-handlers.
But since he is still on the roster, my vote goes to slotting Babbitt in as a stretch 4, his emergence as a viable offensive option coincided with Blazers interim head coach Kaleb Canales moving him - recognizing how much easier it was for him to get open looks against slower defenders less accustomed to stepping out to the perimeter. He's a defensive liability at either forward position so it's a net plus.
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Gomesfan and I will decide on how we go with our starting lineup. We could go
Ellis
Leonard
KD
BBD
Jordan
to start the games but end with a lineup of
Caldaron
Monta
Leonard
KD
Jordan
Gives us much advantage on offense.
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How many different star players have the Knicks owned since we started? Lot of trades
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How many different star players have the Knicks owned since we started? Lot of trades
To many to keep count.
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and yet we ended up with the best scorer in the league.
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2012 CB Houston Boxers - Larry Brown - Coach
PG: Lin/Beaubois/Rivers
SG: Kidd-Gilchrist/Lee/Rivers
SF: Barnes/Kidd-Gilchrist/Faried
PF: Ibaka/Faried/Montiejunas/Henson
C: Valanciunas/Andersen/Odoh
Experimenting with the idea of a starting five of
Lin
Kidd-Gilchrist
Barnes
Faried
Ibaka
No experience but I think it would be a very good defensive base to start with and get better and better offensively over the years as Lin, MKG and Barnes learn the pro game and mature. I think all three could eventually be special players offensively.
I also think that in 5 years people will look back and say that MKG was the best player chosen in this draft and that he will become a superduperstar.
Then as a second unit I will trot out
Beaubois
Rivers
Lee
Montiejumas
Valanciunas
Don't pooh pooh the Lithuanians. They are big, athletic, and talented. Montiejunas lit up the Vegas League and Val, once acclimated will be a stud.
Then the deep bench has Andersen, Udoh and Henson. If Andersen comes back healthy he's one of the best back up big men in the league, Udoh is a defensive gem of a backup PF/C and Henson can be brought along slowly as he gets some extra bulk. He is another defensive gem of a big man.
Defense and rebounding. The Boxers live by that. Unfortunately we only have pups but when this pack gets older, they are going hunting and they will bite.
BTW, if this year's draft class is as good as everyone says it will be, this is a sure lock for TOTF and its not even close.
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2012 CB Houston Boxers - Larry Brown - Coach
PG: Lin/Beaubois/Rivers
SG: Kidd-Gilchrist/Lee/Rivers
SF: Barnes/Kidd-Gilchrist/Faried
PF: Ibaka/Faried/Montiejunas/Henson
C: Valanciunas/Andersen/Odoh
Experimenting with the idea of a starting five of
Lin
Kidd-Gilchrist
Barnes
Faried
Ibaka
No experience but I think it would be a very good defensive base to start with and get better and better offensively over the years as Lin, MKG and Barnes learn the pro game and mature. I think all three could eventually be special players offensively.
I also think that in 5 years people will look back and say that MKG was the best player chosen in this draft and that he will become a superduperstar.
Then as a second unit I will trot out
Beaubois
Rivers
Lee
Montiejumas
Valanciunas
Don't pooh pooh the Lithuanians. They are big, athletic, and talented. Montiejunas lit up the Vegas League and Val, once acclimated will be a stud.
Then the deep bench has Andersen, Udoh and Henson. If Andersen comes back healthy he's one of the best back up big men in the league, Udoh is a defensive gem of a backup PF/C and Henson can be brought along slowly as he gets some extra bulk. He is another defensive gem of a big man.
Defense and rebounding. The Boxers live by that. Unfortunately we only have pups but when this pack gets older, they are going hunting and they will bite.
BTW, if this year's draft class is as good as everyone says it will be, this is a sure lock for TOTF and its not even close.
very young team. Would be fun to watch will probably knock down some heavyweights in the season but will miss the playoffs. Very fun team to watch though.
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Looking for thoughts on the rotation, are there guys I'm not playing enough? Too much?
Well I started Bosh at center in what 2009? That was actually more successful with voters than starting KG at center in 2011. So I'm fine with him getting minutes as the reserve 5. But I wish you could pair him with a better rebounder than tweener Thaddeus Young, who's a plus rebounder only for a small forward. Otherwise no complaints.
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For the Knicks.
Calderon has to start. Bring ellis off. The bench in the harden and Jason Terry role if you won't start both. Defensively they will be at a disadvantage when you play big guards and they're on the floor together, but Jose has a skill set that really works with Ellis. He shoots the ball great and will space the floor. As a result he doesn't need the ball to be effective so offensively they work.
As for Ellis not working with Durant.. Please explain why... Durant is the rare player who can play off anyone. No player in the league can match his ability to play off the ball and with the ball at his level.
If Durant and Westbrook can work why can't Ellis and Durant? Makes no sense to me.
I recommend this lineup.
Calderon Leonard Durant Davis and Jordan as starters
Calderon Ellis Durant Leonard and Jordan or Davis depending on the matchup as finishers.
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For the Knicks.
Calderon has to start. Bring ellis off. The bench in the harden and Jason Terry role if you won't start both. Defensively they will be at a disadvantage when you play big guards and they're on the floor together, but Jose has a skill set that really works with Ellis. He shoots the ball great and will space the floor. As a result he doesn't need the ball to be effective so offensively they work.
As for Ellis not working with Durant.. Please explain why... Durant is the rare player who can play off anyone. No player in the league can match his ability to play off the ball and with the ball at his level.
If Durant and Westbrook can work why can't Ellis and Durant? Makes no sense to me.
I recommend this lineup.
Calderon Leonard Durant Davis and Jordan as starters
Calderon Ellis Durant Leonard and Jordan or Davis depending on the matchup as finishers.
Holy crap! Someone who can grasp basketball terms!
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So here is my team, as I see it. Guys listed earlier at a position means more pt than the guy behind him.
Holiday/Jack/Shved
Wade/Jack/Lamb
Pierce/Parsons/Butler
Bosh/Young/Parsons
Splitter/Bosh/Haywood/Vucevic
I think your are overhyping jack. He put up numbers on a very bad team and won the pg spot by default.
Wade pierce and bosh are the team. They take you as far as you go. Don't tell me about young jack or splitter. Holiday is very solid. I like him, but it's those three guys.
Would honestly start haywood. He's the only guy who protects the rim on your team. He was horrible backing up Chandler. Splitter has always been a backup.
Obviously a contender and very good team. Also would move young over parsons at sf. He should be the other forward when one of pierce or bosh is out.
Still I think you might be too small when bosh is bat center with young at pf. Miami can get away with that bc of lebrons defensive greatness and his strength and athleticism. Young is no lebron. I think you'll get beat up against bigger front lines and out rebounded.
Wouldn't feel great about any of your centers finishing games.
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2012 CB OKC Thunder
Pg: Mario Chalmers, Greivis Vasquez, Jimmer Fredette
Sg: Tyreke Evans, Kevin Martin (Jimmer)
Sf: Caron Butler, Richard Jefferson
Pf: Andrea Bargnani, Tyler hansbrough Markieff Morris
C: Andrew Bynum, Chris Kaman Kendrick Perkins
Extremely deep in the big man department watch out Dwight!
Difficult to assess. A surfeit of talent. The OKC Thunder scream 24 team league, when most of our squads somehow don't, and I don't want to discount that. But the team has too few playmakers given the scoring options - a complaint you've heard plenty. And I worry that while OKC should play solid man-to-man defense in the half court, the help defense, a necessity in today's NBA schemes, and the transition defense will be poor to awful, since Bynum still lacks consistency in both, and there's little margin for his errors pairing him Bargnani, and not much help to be found on the wings.
And I hate Martin coming off the bench behind Evans when he's the better player, just move Evans to the 3. It's not his natural position, but he was already forced into the role on last season's Kings. Neither Butler nor Jefferson gives you what you're missing in the starting line-up anyway.
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Marcin Gortat
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R. Smith
Stephen Curry
Bench:
Guards: Lou Williams, Chauncey Billups, Jameer Nelson
Forwards: Michael Beasley, Steve Novak, DeJuan Blair
Centers: Spencer Hawes, Greg Stiemsma
Lots of depth. A few things. Gasol as a Number one option is 0-12 in the playoffs. I don't think he can lead a team to the final four in the NBA. His numbers have been very poor in the last two post seasons.
Not a huge gortat guy. Definitely expecting the Nash effect where he has a drop off in production. He is good but as your second guy I don't like it.
I won't go deep into injuries but curry, billups, and Wallace are a concern.
Last thing. Who is your "guard dog"? Almost every team that wins has a no nonsense guy that has their teams back. Especially the star and gasol HAS to have that. Some teams haven't but they won with overwhelming talent.
Haslem and even wade send the message. Artest or even a Derek fisher. Kg. Tyson Chandler. The spurs had guys like horry. Guys who might take a "cheap shot" but a message was sent. We won't be punked. I think for you the best option is Gerald Wallace.
The minute break down for the guards will be big. Nelson is a leader. He needs to play. Billups does too and I think he should start. Just not sure there is enough minutes for Williams, smith, billups and curry. Smith will be a problem if not given run so I think that needs to be addressed.
Can you trust Beasley to be a consistent big off the bench? Don't think so. Minnesota and miami didnt. Gerald has to play some four as a result. But that means smith can have minutes at the three.
I like your team in the regular season. I do. Bc of the depth. But in a seven game series in the playoffs I don't. Stars win playoff games and your team has ZERO 2011-12 All-Stars.
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2012 CB Houston Boxers - Larry Brown - Coach
PG: Lin/Beaubois/Rivers
SG: Kidd-Gilchrist/Lee/Rivers
SF: Barnes/Kidd-Gilchrist/Faried
PF: Ibaka/Faried/Montiejunas/Henson
C: Valanciunas/Andersen/Odoh
Experimenting with the idea of a starting five of
Lin
Kidd-Gilchrist
Barnes
Faried
Ibaka
No experience but I think it would be a very good defensive base to start with and get better and better offensively over the years as Lin, MKG and Barnes learn the pro game and mature. I think all three could eventually be special players offensively.
I also think that in 5 years people will look back and say that MKG was the best player chosen in this draft and that he will become a superduperstar.
Then as a second unit I will trot out
Beaubois
Rivers
Lee
Montiejumas
Valanciunas
Don't pooh pooh the Lithuanians. They are big, athletic, and talented. Montiejunas lit up the Vegas League and Val, once acclimated will be a stud.
Then the deep bench has Andersen, Udoh and Henson. If Andersen comes back healthy he's one of the best back up big men in the league, Udoh is a defensive gem of a backup PF/C and Henson can be brought along slowly as he gets some extra bulk. He is another defensive gem of a big man.
Defense and rebounding. The Boxers live by that. Unfortunately we only have pups but when this pack gets older, they are going hunting and they will bite.
BTW, if this year's draft class is as good as everyone says it will be, this is a sure lock for TOTF and its not even close.
Clearly a lottery team. Clearly totf. Lik ibaka and fraried. While small it is energetic and there are only a handful of centers who can punish it.
Dont like beaobois and rivers. Roddy is what he is a low iq sg. Been in the league long enough that potential is almost gone. I'd find more time for Henson.
This team has to develop it's 2012 lottery guys so give them as much run as possible.
Props must be given on direction. Either contend or lose. Don't be in between. This team will lose but the young talent will develop into assets and contender in a year or two or three will likely be born.
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2012 CB OKC Thunder
Pg: Mario Chalmers, Greivis Vasquez, Jimmer Fredette
Sg: Tyreke Evans, Kevin Martin (Jimmer)
Sf: Caron Butler,, Richard Jefferson
Pf: Andrea Bargnani, Tyler hansbrough Markieff Morris
C: Andrew Bynum, Chris Kaman Kendrick Perkins
Extremely deep in the big man department watch out Dwight!
Offensively I have Martin at the sf while Evans guards opposing sf. This tandem didn't work in sac town and Martin was traded for less value. Bynum a beast but he needs a strong leadership around him or he gets too entitled. Issues arose between Evans and cousins. They could between Bynum and Evans.
Chalmers is a perfect fit with Evans . No different then playing with wade and lebron as far as role for rio. Barbs and bynum on offense is terrific. On defense know. And who consistently gets them touches.
Evans might be best here as a sixth man who finishes the game. Evans anchors the second unit and Bynum the first.
Love the center depth especially since all have battled significant injuries. Wise move.
This is a team I think does solid in the regular season and likely makes the playoffs. But in a seven game series I think it struggles against the more talented and cohesive teams.
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Monta and Durant won't work IMHO
That's cause we wouldn't give him away to you.... Of course we wouldn't, he a 20 and 6 ppg guy!
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Monta and Durant won't work IMHO
That's cause we wouldn't give him away to you.... Of course we wouldn't, he a 20 and 6 ppg guy!
What Gomesfan said.
Not speaking of Monta in this case, but I have a feeling that even with some of MY OWN potential trades, GMs here were attempting to pry certain players off of me that some GMs here DIDN'T like...only to hype them up successfully once they were able to pry them away from me.
It's all good, though.
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Tried to make a move at the deadline, couldnt get it done. Will be very conservative with my starters during the regular season and ramp it up during the playoffs.
C: Duncan (28)/ Dalembert (20)/ Hollins (garbage)
Pf: West (32)/ Mbah A Moute( 8 )/ Allen ( 8 )
SF: Hill (22)/ Mbah A Moute (23)/ CJ Miles (3)
SG: Kobe (34)/ George Hill (10) / CJ Miles (4)
PG: George Hill(25)/ Jason Kidd (20)/ Reggie Jackson (3)
For those at home Keeping score
Duncan will play the same minutes as last year
West will play 2 more than last year but below his career average,
Kobe will play 4 less than last year
Kidd will play 8 less than last year
Grant hill will play 6 less than last year
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Monta and Durant won't work IMHO
That's cause we wouldn't give him away to you.... Of course we wouldn't, he a 20 and 6 ppg guy!
What Gomesfan said.
Not speaking of Monta in this case, but I have a feeling that even with some of MY OWN potential trades, GMs here were attempting to pry certain players off of me that some GMs here DIDN'T like...only to hype them up successfully once they were able to pry them away from me.
It's all good, though.
That's it right there. All the teams that where tearing him down where the teams sending me multiple offers for him, for the most part. I am not trading g a guy with his stats for two third string down the bench guys like a Hollins and say Mikkis Moore. No one offered those exact guys but insert Yout own names. All it took was one guy that's respected on here to say one negative thing about him and bam he's a ball hogging guard who's worthless and people expect you take except ridiculous offers that a real gm would stop even dealing with the other.
Monta is a guy who can score and get assists and there a plenty successful teams in the league who have these guys... LeBron.... Westbrook.... Etc.....Didn't the Warriors get a little worse after losing him?
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All it took was one guy that's respected on here to say one negative thing about him and bam he's a ball hogging guard who's worthless...
I don't think this is a new phenomenon with Ellis, though. Check out past CB Drafts, or the Pick 2 draft. People don't like Ellis. It's not just one respected member shaping opinions; he's always been a guy you don't want to be stuck with.
Zach Randolph used to be that way, but his image was rehabilitated. Mo Williams. Andrea Bargnani, to some extent. MarShon Brooks seems to be developing that reputation. Tyreke Evans. Obviously Andray Blatche.
Some guys just aren't looked upon favorably. I don't think it's any conspiracy or people not having the independent thought to do their own evaluations. Rather, people just don't like his track record.
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What happened to Philly? Never heard from that team for days.
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Tried to make a move at the deadline, couldnt get it done. Will be very conservative with my starters during the regular season and ramp it up during the playoffs.
C: Duncan (28)/ Dalembert (20)/ Hollins (garbage)
Pf: West (32)/ Mbah A Moute( 8 )/ Allen ( 8 )
SF: Hill (22)/ Mbah A Moute (23)/ CJ Miles (3)
SG: Kobe (34)/ George Hill (10) / CJ Miles (4)
PG: George Hill(25)/ Jason Kidd (20)/ Reggie Jackson (3)
For those at home Keeping score
Duncan will play the same minutes as last year
West will play 2 more than last year but below his career average,
Kobe will play 4 less than last year
Kidd will play 8 less than last year
Grant hill will play 6 less than last year
thoughts?
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All it took was one guy that's respected on here to say one negative thing about him and bam he's a ball hogging guard who's worthless...
MarShon Brooks seems to be developing that reputation.
Oh Roy, these games simply have to stop.
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All it took was one guy that's respected on here to say one negative thing about him and bam he's a ball hogging guard who's worthless...
MarShon Brooks seems to be developing that reputation.
Oh Roy, these games simply have to stop.
Haha. Yeah, how dare I not be high on Brooks, right? Who wouldn't want a low efficiency chucker who turns the ball over a lot and doesn't play any defense at all?
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All it took was one guy that's respected on here to say one negative thing about him and bam he's a ball hogging guard who's worthless...
I don't think this is a new phenomenon with Ellis, though. Check out past CB Drafts, or the Pick 2 draft. People don't like Ellis. It's not just one respected member shaping opinions; he's always been a guy you don't want to be stuck with.
Zach Randolph used to be that way, but his image was rehabilitated. Mo Williams. Andrea Bargnani, to some extent. MarShon Brooks seems to be developing that reputation. Tyreke Evans. Obviously Andray Blatche.
Some guys just aren't looked upon favorably. I don't think it's any conspiracy or people not having the independent thought to do their own evaluations. Rather, people just don't like his track record.
Which is why theres the press cons. That's the big part. Convince this guys that him or him is so and so. While people might not hanged their mind, a good argument could at least sway them in your teams favor.
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Monta and Durant won't work IMHO
That's cause we wouldn't give him away to you.... Of course we wouldn't, he a 20 and 6 ppg guy!
What Gomesfan said.
Not speaking of Monta in this case, but I have a feeling that even with some of MY OWN potential trades, GMs here were attempting to pry certain players off of me that some GMs here DIDN'T like...only to hype them up successfully once they were able to pry them away from me.
It's all good, though.
That's it right there. All the teams that where tearing him down where the teams sending me multiple offers for him, for the most part. I am not trading g a guy with his stats for two third string down the bench guys like a Hollins and say Mikkis Moore. No one offered those exact guys but insert Yout own names. All it took was one guy that's respected on here to say one negative thing about him and bam he's a ball hogging guard who's worthless and people expect you take except ridiculous offers that a real gm would stop even dealing with the other.
Monta is a guy who can score and get assists and there a plenty successful teams in the league who have these guys... LeBron.... Westbrook.... Etc.....Didn't the Warriors get a little worse after losing him?
Haha welcome to the CB draft my friend. There are certain guys who's reps are a bit tarnished here, and there is a lot of gamesmanship that goes on between GMs.
Also, a lot of this is your own doing (and by own i mean you and your co-GM).
You guys flooded these boards over the past few days with pleading solisitations for Monta deals. At one point i think it was every 3rd or 4th post was from the Knicks asking for offers on Ellis. I myself got a PM asking if i would make an offer, i replied that it would be too cost prohibitive to try and obtain Monta for me, and i got a response back asking me to just throw anything out there.
Personally i think the Durant/Ellis combo can work, but you guys are going to need to make a compelling arguement to convince the masses.
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Tried to make a move at the deadline, couldnt get it done. Will be very conservative with my starters during the regular season and ramp it up during the playoffs.
C: Duncan (28)/ Dalembert (20)/ Hollins (garbage)
Pf: West (32)/ Mbah A Moute( 8 )/ Allen ( 8 )
SF: Hill (22)/ Mbah A Moute (23)/ CJ Miles (3)
SG: Kobe (34)/ George Hill (10) / CJ Miles (4)
PG: George Hill(25)/ Jason Kidd (20)/ Reggie Jackson (3)
For those at home Keeping score
Duncan will play the same minutes as last year
West will play 2 more than last year but below his career average,
Kobe will play 4 less than last year
Kidd will play 8 less than last year
Grant hill will play 6 less than last year
thoughts?
Sorry guys, I forgot the password for this thread... "Monta Ellis is available"
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All it took was one guy that's respected on here to say one negative thing about him and bam he's a ball hogging guard who's worthless...
I don't think this is a new phenomenon with Ellis, though. Check out past CB Drafts, or the Pick 2 draft. People don't like Ellis. It's not just one respected member shaping opinions; he's always been a guy you don't want to be stuck with.
Zach Randolph used to be that way, but his image was rehabilitated. Mo Williams. Andrea Bargnani, to some extent. MarShon Brooks seems to be developing that reputation. Tyreke Evans. Obviously Andray Blatche.
Some guys just aren't looked upon favorably. I don't think it's any conspiracy or people not having the independent thought to do their own evaluations. Rather, people just don't like his track record.
Which is why theres the press cons. That's the big part. Convince this guys that him or him is so and so. While people might not hanged their mind, a good argument could at least sway them in your teams favor.
I have never seen a press conference change my opinion on a player.
In fact, I have never really seen a press conference help my opinion of a team.
I have seen it hurt my opinion when someone comes up with a strategy that doesn't work for their best players strengths.
We are all NBA fans. We have seen these players (for the most part) play. We have our opinions.
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Press conferences are suppose to be fun.
Put in the amount of work that makes you enjoy it.
Personally, I no longer have the time (or want) to pull out all sort of graphics and long paragraphs on strategy. That's why my presser will be short and to the point.
I do love the question and answer portion following.
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All it took was one guy that's respected on here to say one negative thing about him and bam he's a ball hogging guard who's worthless...
MarShon Brooks seems to be developing that reputation.
Oh Roy, these games simply have to stop.
Haha. Yeah, how dare I not be high on Brooks, right? Who wouldn't want a low efficiency chucker who turns the ball over a lot and doesn't play any defense at all?
guy just needs to be put in the right situation. Amnestied from the horrid nets and to be allowed to do what he does best. I think you'll see a tremendous leap from him this year. Would love to hear what some people from the great state of rhode island have to say about him
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All it took was one guy that's respected on here to say one negative thing about him and bam he's a ball hogging guard who's worthless...
MarShon Brooks seems to be developing that reputation.
Oh Roy, these games simply have to stop.
Haha. Yeah, how dare I not be high on Brooks, right? Who wouldn't want a low efficiency chucker who turns the ball over a lot and doesn't play any defense at all?
guy just needs to be put in the right situation. Amnestied from the horrid nets and to be allowed to do what he does best. I think you'll see a tremendous leap from him this year. Would love to hear what some people from the great state of rhode island have to say about him
Isn't he a stat hanger on a bad team that was looking to dump him this offseason?
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Monta and Durant won't work IMHO
That's cause we wouldn't give him away to you.... Of course we wouldn't, he a 20 and 6 ppg guy!
What Gomesfan said.
Not speaking of Monta in this case, but I have a feeling that even with some of MY OWN potential trades, GMs here were attempting to pry certain players off of me that some GMs here DIDN'T like...only to hype them up successfully once they were able to pry them away from me.
It's all good, though.
That's it right there. All the teams that where tearing him down where the teams sending me multiple offers for him, for the most part. I am not trading g a guy with his stats for two third string down the bench guys like a Hollins and say Mikkis Moore. No one offered those exact guys but insert Yout own names. All it took was one guy that's respected on here to say one negative thing about him and bam he's a ball hogging guard who's worthless and people expect you take except ridiculous offers that a real gm would stop even dealing with the other.
Monta is a guy who can score and get assists and there a plenty successful teams in the league who have these guys... LeBron.... Westbrook.... Etc.....Didn't the Warriors get a little worse after losing him?
Haha welcome to the CB draft my friend. There are certain guys who's reps are a bit tarnished here, and there is a lot of gamesmanship that goes on between GMs.
Also, a lot of this is your own doing (and by own i mean you and your co-GM).
You guys flooded these boards over the past few days with pleading solisitations for Monta deals. At one point i think it was every 3rd or 4th post was from the Knicks asking for offers on Ellis. I myself got a PM asking if i would make an offer, i replied that it would be too cost prohibitive to try and obtain Monta for me, and i got a response back asking me to just throw anything out there.
Personally i think the Durant/Ellis combo can work, but you guys are going to need to make a compelling arguement to convince the masses.
Yeah I was under the impression they were looking to move monta for 50 cents on the dollar not 10 dollars. Nobody is going to give good value for certain players on this board.
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All it took was one guy that's respected on here to say one negative thing about him and bam he's a ball hogging guard who's worthless...
MarShon Brooks seems to be developing that reputation.
Oh Roy, these games simply have to stop.
Haha. Yeah, how dare I not be high on Brooks, right? Who wouldn't want a low efficiency chucker who turns the ball over a lot and doesn't play any defense at all?
guy just needs to be put in the right situation. Amnestied from the horrid nets and to be allowed to do what he does best. I think you'll see a tremendous leap from him this year. Would love to hear what some people from the great state of rhode island have to say about him
I'd like to see what he does with a defensive coach who is willing to bench him when he doesn't put in the effort. That said, it concerns me when he says that the player he'd like to model himself after is Jamal Crawford. Late in his career Crawford at least learned to play to his strengths by accepting a 6th man role. However, he was never a good all-around player, and I worry Brooks is going to follow the same path, without the same level of talent.
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I think it's too early to paint MarShon Brooks one way or the other.
So what if he sucked defensively. So did Kyrie Irving. Most rookies do. Let's worry about it if it's still in issue two years from now.
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I think it's too early to paint MarShon Brooks one way or the other.
So what if he sucked defensively. So did Kyrie Irving. Most rookies do. Let's worry about it if it's still in issue two years from now.
Ya, I really thought Irving looked super lost out there at points. I think the good thing is that currently he's on the Cavs so he can learn the ropes at his own pace, because I'm not sure if he'd be quite ready to play on a competitive team. Could really damage his psyche and debilitate his growth.
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Press conferences are suppose to be fun.
Put in the amount of work that makes you enjoy it.
Personally, I no longer have the time (or want) to pull out all sort of graphics and long paragraphs on strategy. That's why my presser will be short and to the point.
I do love the question and answer portion following.
I miss Bhaku. He puts up a MEAN presentation.
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I think it's too early to paint MarShon Brooks one way or the other.
So what if he sucked defensively. So did Kyrie Irving. Most rookies do. Let's worry about it if it's still in issue two years from now.
Ya, I really thought Irving looked super lost out there at points. I think the good thing is that currently he's on the Cavs so he can learn the ropes at his own pace, because I'm not sure if he'd be quite ready to play on a competitive team. Could really damage his psyche and debilitate his growth.
Nice advocating. ;) Kyrie lead all players in clutch scoring last year. He's ready.
With Brooks, he played poor defense during his 4 years at Providence, too. It's a large part of the reason why he fell to the end of the first round in his draft.
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I think it's too early to paint MarShon Brooks one way or the other.
So what if he sucked defensively. So did Kyrie Irving. Most rookies do. Let's worry about it if it's still in issue two years from now.
Yeah I didn't think Kyrie Irving was that bad as a defender when I picked him at 1.18, but after hearing your take on him I went looking for more data, and he was pretty bad. Just a terrible defender, awful passer, injury-prone, closet scientologist with a penchant for kitty snuff films.
Kyrie Irving : Terrible.
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I think it's too early to paint MarShon Brooks one way or the other.
So what if he sucked defensively. So did Kyrie Irving. Most rookies do. Let's worry about it if it's still in issue two years from now.
Ya, I really thought Irving looked super lost out there at points. I think the good thing is that currently he's on the Cavs so he can learn the ropes at his own pace, because I'm not sure if he'd be quite ready to play on a competitive team. Could really damage his psyche and debilitate his growth.
Nice advocating. ;) Kyrie lead all players in clutch scoring last year. He's ready.
With Brooks, he played poor defense during his 4 years at Providence, too. It's a large part of the reason why he fell to the end of the first round in his draft.
That and he played for a bad team and only had one year of good college numbers.
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I think it's too early to paint MarShon Brooks one way or the other.
So what if he sucked defensively. So did Kyrie Irving. Most rookies do. Let's worry about it if it's still in issue two years from now.
Ya, I really thought Irving looked super lost out there at points. I think the good thing is that currently he's on the Cavs so he can learn the ropes at his own pace, because I'm not sure if he'd be quite ready to play on a competitive team. Could really damage his psyche and debilitate his growth.
Nice advocating. ;) Kyrie lead all players in clutch scoring last year. He's ready.
With Brooks, he played poor defense during his 4 years at Providence, too. It's a large part of the reason why he fell to the end of the first round in his draft.
That and he played for a bad team and only had one year of good college numbers.
Him and Varejao. Total stat-stuffers.
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I think it's too early to paint MarShon Brooks one way or the other.
So what if he sucked defensively. So did Kyrie Irving. Most rookies do. Let's worry about it if it's still in issue two years from now.
Ya, I really thought Irving looked super lost out there at points. I think the good thing is that currently he's on the Cavs so he can learn the ropes at his own pace, because I'm not sure if he'd be quite ready to play on a competitive team. Could really damage his psyche and debilitate his growth.
Nice advocating. ;) Kyrie lead all players in clutch scoring last year. He's ready.
With Brooks, he played poor defense during his 4 years at Providence, too. It's a large part of the reason why he fell to the end of the first round in his draft.
Oh! I see how you could read that and think perhaps I was doing a little politicking. I was just giving a very honest, unbiased opinion of a player outside the context of the Celticsblog draft. My sincerest apologies for what was HONESTLY just a total coincidence.
BTW, got you guys near the top of my TOTF rankings. Can't wait to read your presser in its entirety!
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I think it's too early to paint MarShon Brooks one way or the other.
So what if he sucked defensively. So did Kyrie Irving. Most rookies do. Let's worry about it if it's still in issue two years from now.
Ya, I really thought Irving looked super lost out there at points. I think the good thing is that currently he's on the Cavs so he can learn the ropes at his own pace, because I'm not sure if he'd be quite ready to play on a competitive team. Could really damage his psyche and debilitate his growth.
Nice advocating. ;) Kyrie lead all players in clutch scoring last year. He's ready.
With Brooks, he played poor defense during his 4 years at Providence, too. It's a large part of the reason why he fell to the end of the first round in his draft.
That and he played for a bad team and only had one year of good college numbers.
Irving is nice. But second best player on a contending team? Too soon for that argument for me. I do like him, but the guy hasn't even sniffed the playoffs let alone the finals. He didn't even get to play in the NCAA tourney. So when was the last time he played in any kind of elimination style game? High School?
He is just too unknown to me and unproven. I saw Tyreke kill it his rookie year and was a no show the next two. I thought making a binkie be the second best player was a risk even if it is with Lebron. I think it's likely a conference finals team. LA and Portland will give it trouble though. At this point I don't see even Lebron beating this Laker's team. They're beastly.
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I think it's too early to paint MarShon Brooks one way or the other.
So what if he sucked defensively. So did Kyrie Irving. Most rookies do. Let's worry about it if it's still in issue two years from now.
Ya, I really thought Irving looked super lost out there at points. I think the good thing is that currently he's on the Cavs so he can learn the ropes at his own pace, because I'm not sure if he'd be quite ready to play on a competitive team. Could really damage his psyche and debilitate his growth.
Nice advocating. ;) Kyrie lead all players in clutch scoring last year. He's ready.
With Brooks, he played poor defense during his 4 years at Providence, too. It's a large part of the reason why he fell to the end of the first round in his draft.
That and he played for a bad team and only had one year of good college numbers.
Irving is nice. But second best player on a contending team? Too soon for that argument for me. I do like him, but the guy hasn't even sniffed the playoffs let alone the finals. He didn't even get to play in the NCAA tourney. So when was the last time he played in any kind of elimination style game? High School?
He is just too unknown to me and unproven. I saw Tyreke kill it his rookie year and was a no show the next two. I thought making a binkie be the second best player was a risk even if it is with Lebron. I think it's likely a conference finals team. LA and Portland will give it trouble though. At this point I don't see even Lebron beating this Laker's team. They're beastly.
I think the "one year of good numbers" comment was in relation to MarShon Brooks.
I think you're wrong about Irving, though. The kid came in as a 19 year old and was his team's unquestioned leader. He put up huge numbers, and did it efficiently. He was statistically the most clutch player in the entire NBA.
I think the Mavs are better than the Lakers by a decent margin, but we can leave that to the matchup arguments if we get to that point.
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I think the Mavs are better than the Lakers by a decent margin, but we can leave that to the matchup arguments if we get to that point.
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"I'm comin for you, Hobbs"
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Tried to make a move at the deadline, couldnt get it done. Will be very conservative with my starters during the regular season and ramp it up during the playoffs.
C: Duncan (28)/ Dalembert (20)/ Hollins (garbage)
Pf: West (32)/ Mbah A Moute( 8 )/ Allen ( 8 )
SF: Hill (22)/ Mbah A Moute (23)/ CJ Miles (3)
SG: Kobe (34)/ George Hill (10) / CJ Miles (4)
PG: George Hill(25)/ Jason Kidd (20)/ Reggie Jackson (3)
For those at home Keeping score
Duncan will play the same minutes as last year
West will play 2 more than last year but below his career average,
Kobe will play 4 less than last year
Kidd will play 8 less than last year
Grant hill will play 6 less than last year
thoughts?
Contender. Any team with Dunacan and Kobe will be. This team I think is being overlooked but they remind me of the Celtics without a Rondo like player. Still their depth is far superior to the Celtics that finished this season. They will be the smartest team in the league and age is the only question.
I think they can match up with anyone in the East (yes that includes Boston).
I see them being no better then a 3 seed in the regular season b/c of the preservation of the better players. I don't think seeding matters to this team though. They just need to get in the playoffs. They will be a very tough out in a 7 game series. I think team with size and athleticism will be their toughest opponents.
Only a fool wouldn't respect the names on this team and take them lightly.
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Boston and NYC's pressers are up ask some questions folks.
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I think it's too early to paint MarShon Brooks one way or the other.
So what if he sucked defensively. So did Kyrie Irving. Most rookies do. Let's worry about it if it's still in issue two years from now.
Ya, I really thought Irving looked super lost out there at points. I think the good thing is that currently he's on the Cavs so he can learn the ropes at his own pace, because I'm not sure if he'd be quite ready to play on a competitive team. Could really damage his psyche and debilitate his growth.
Nice advocating. ;) Kyrie lead all players in clutch scoring last year. He's ready.
With Brooks, he played poor defense during his 4 years at Providence, too. It's a large part of the reason why he fell to the end of the first round in his draft.
That and he played for a bad team and only had one year of good college numbers.
Irving is nice. But second best player on a contending team? Too soon for that argument for me. I do like him, but the guy hasn't even sniffed the playoffs let alone the finals. He didn't even get to play in the NCAA tourney. So when was the last time he played in any kind of elimination style game? High School?
He is just too unknown to me and unproven. I saw Tyreke kill it his rookie year and was a no show the next two. I thought making a binkie be the second best player was a risk even if it is with Lebron. I think it's likely a conference finals team. LA and Portland will give it trouble though. At this point I don't see even Lebron beating this Laker's team. They're beastly.
I think the "one year of good numbers" comment was in relation to MarShon Brooks.
I think you're wrong about Irving, though. The kid came in as a 19 year old and was his team's unquestioned leader. He put up huge numbers, and did it efficiently. He was statistically the most clutch player in the entire NBA.
I think the Mavs are better than the Lakers by a decent margin, but we can leave that to the matchup arguments if we get to that point.
I just look at the match ups. I wasn't hating on your squad obviously if I think it is a Conference Finals team. Any team with James is elite. La just did a great job of building a roster that attacks James.
Tony Allen is the best perimeter defender in the game. He will harass LeBron and make life as difficult as possible for him. He will attack Lebron with his defense, this will be constant. I remember in 2010 against the Cavs Allen's D on James was terrific.
On Defense Lebron can't take off. He has to guard one of Gay, Horford, or LA. The latter two are All-Stars and Rudy Gay is a top 5 SF. I just see LeBron having no opportunity to take a couple plays off unless he guards Tony Allen.
I like Lowry in a matchup with Kyrie. Irving isn't an elite athlete by any stretch. Lowry will consistently make him work on both ends. His size advantage on Irving is big in that matchup in my opinion.
After that you really don't have a lot of offense. I think the talent on the Lakers is better then what the 2012 Celtics had in the ECF. I also think the 2012 Miami Heat had a lot more talent with Wade then Dallas does. I guess you can say Kyrie could duplicate what Wade did, but I will go back to match ups. Wade was being guarded by Ray Allen on one leg. Kyrie will be getting hounded by Lowry.
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Again, I'll save it for the playoffs, especially since your mind is already made up. I will say, though, that Tony Allen can't guard Lebron, and that Lebron is used to taking the opposing team's best defensive assignment. He has seemed to do alright against Pierce in his career; I'm sure he'd do just fine against any player on the Lakers.
EDIT: Ah, the heck with it. I'll respond to this part:
After that you really don't have a lot of offense.
If you go by the starting lineups, on a per-game basis the Lakers and Mavs are almost identical in terms of scoring. If you equalize minutes by going to a per-36 minute analysis, once again the starters are virtually identical. The Lakers don't have anybody as good as Ben Gordon or Elton Brand coming off their bench, though.
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Monta and Durant won't work IMHO
That's cause we wouldn't give him away to you.... Of course we wouldn't, he a 20 and 6 ppg guy!
What Gomesfan said.
Not speaking of Monta in this case, but I have a feeling that even with some of MY OWN potential trades, GMs here were attempting to pry certain players off of me that some GMs here DIDN'T like...only to hype them up successfully once they were able to pry them away from me.
It's all good, though.
That's it right there. All the teams that where tearing him down where the teams sending me multiple offers for him, for the most part. I am not trading g a guy with his stats for two third string down the bench guys like a Hollins and say Mikkis Moore. No one offered those exact guys but insert Yout own names. All it took was one guy that's respected on here to say one negative thing about him and bam he's a ball hogging guard who's worthless and people expect you take except ridiculous offers that a real gm would stop even dealing with the other.
Monta is a guy who can score and get assists and there a plenty successful teams in the league who have these guys... LeBron.... Westbrook.... Etc.....Didn't the Warriors get a little worse after losing him?
Haha welcome to the CB draft my friend. There are certain guys who's reps are a bit tarnished here, and there is a lot of gamesmanship that goes on between GMs.
Also, a lot of this is your own doing (and by own i mean you and your co-GM).
You guys flooded these boards over the past few days with pleading solisitations for Monta deals. At one point i think it was every 3rd or 4th post was from the Knicks asking for offers on Ellis. I myself got a PM asking if i would make an offer, i replied that it would be too cost prohibitive to try and obtain Monta for me, and i got a response back asking me to just throw anything out there.
Personally i think the Durant/Ellis combo can work, but you guys are going to need to make a compelling arguement to convince the masses.
no need to welcome me to the Draft, it's not my first rodeo!
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Guys, will have to apologize for my limited activity in the pressers in advance. I took a few days off last week and am kind of knee deep in it trying to catch up.
I'll do my best to partake in the PM
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Here's how I see the battle for the 8th/9th seed in each conference going:
8. Orlando
9. Cleveland
8. Phoenix
9. Oklahoma City
I'm open-minded, though. Convince me that I'm overlooking something on your team, and I'll adjust my rankings accordingly.
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Here's how I see the battle for the 8th/9th seed in each conference going:
8. Orlando
9. Cleveland
8. Phoenix
9. Oklahoma City
I'm open-minded, though. Convince me that I'm overlooking something on your team, and I'll adjust my rankings accordingly.
Well, Kevin Love is the best PF in the league. Steve Nash is top 5 at his position. I have arguably the best starting 5 in the league. Not to mention, each player on my team compliments each other very well. I don't there is another team out there that fits together as well as the Phoenix Suns. I believe that my team is a title contender and should be top 3 in the conference.
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Here's how I see the battle for the 8th/9th seed in each conference going:
8. Orlando
9. Cleveland
8. Phoenix
9. Oklahoma City
I'm open-minded, though. Convince me that I'm overlooking something on your team, and I'll adjust my rankings accordingly.
Well, Kevin Love is the best PF in the league. Steve Nash is top 5 at his position. I have arguably the best starting 5 in the league. Not to mention, each player on my team compliments each other very well. I don't there is another team out there that fits together as well as the Phoenix Suns. I believe that my team is a title contender and should be top 3 in the conference.
I don't have you near my top-3, obviously. That's primarily due to the defense. I think Nash / Richardson is very weak in the back court, and that's going to expose you.
I do think you're a playoff team and don't see you dropping down. However, I'm probably not as high as Kevin Love as you are. Great player, but I don't see him in, say, Dirk's company yet.
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I have three teams competing for the bottom two spots in the East - New York, Orlando, Cleveland. Not leaning one way or the other right now.
In the West, I also have four teams competing for the final two spots -- GSW, New Orleans, Denver and Oklahoma City. Pretty sure I am going to have New Orleans in there. That leaves three teams. Still leaning towards Golden State as my eight seed.
I think a strong argument could be made that whichever two teams miss out in the West, they'll be stronger than the final two teams who make it into the playoffs in the East.
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Here's how I see the battle for the 8th/9th seed in each conference going:
8. Orlando
9. Cleveland
8. Phoenix
9. Oklahoma City
I'm open-minded, though. Convince me that I'm overlooking something on your team, and I'll adjust my rankings accordingly.
Is NYK in your top 8?
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Here's how I see the battle for the 8th/9th seed in each conference going:
8. Orlando
9. Cleveland
8. Phoenix
9. Oklahoma City
I'm open-minded, though. Convince me that I'm overlooking something on your team, and I'll adjust my rankings accordingly.
Is NYK in your top 8?
Yes.
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Here's how I see the battle for the 8th/9th seed in each conference going:
8. Orlando
9. Cleveland
8. Phoenix
9. Oklahoma City
I'm open-minded, though. Convince me that I'm overlooking something on your team, and I'll adjust my rankings accordingly.
Okc has a very well functioning starting 5 with players that would work well together. Okc has crazy depth! when injuries occur during the course of a season okc features starting level reserve players that can step right in and the team wouldn't suffer due to the loss of a starter for significant time.
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Here's how I see the battle for the 8th/9th seed in each conference going:
8. Orlando
9. Cleveland
8. Phoenix
9. Oklahoma City
I'm open-minded, though. Convince me that I'm overlooking something on your team, and I'll adjust my rankings accordingly.
Is NYK in your top 8?
Yes.
Are the Celtics in the top 8 if yes are they in the top 5?
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Here's how I see the battle for the 8th/9th seed in each conference going:
8. Orlando
9. Cleveland
8. Phoenix
9. Oklahoma City
I'm open-minded, though. Convince me that I'm overlooking something on your team, and I'll adjust my rankings accordingly.
Is NYK in your top 8?
Yes.
Are the Celtics in the top 8 if yes are they in the top 5?
Wait for the ballot. ;) Both the Celts and Wizards are in my top five in the East.
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Here's how I see the battle for the 8th/9th seed in each conference going:
8. Orlando
9. Cleveland
8. Phoenix
9. Oklahoma City
I'm open-minded, though. Convince me that I'm overlooking something on your team, and I'll adjust my rankings accordingly.
Is NYK in your top 8?
Yes.
Are the Celtics in the top 8 if yes are they in the top 5?
:-X
Lol it seems you're more concerned and interested in my team than even your own.
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Lebron James: First ever triple-double in the Olympics by a US player. Zero turnovers.
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Lebron James: First ever triple-double in the Olympics by a US player. Zero turnovers.
OH MAN! THE OLYMPICS! If I had known we were playing fiba rules, SO and mine's team would have been soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo different.
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Lebron James: First ever triple-double in the Olympics by a US player. Zero turnovers.
OH MAN! THE OLYMPICS! If I had known we were playing fiba rules, SO and mine's team would have been soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo different.
Sorry, it wouldn't have worked. Edgar beat you to the "Draft The Best Player In The World" strategy.
(http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0512/nba_g_lebron_dunk_268.jpg)
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I have three teams competing for the bottom two spots in the East - New York, Orlando, Cleveland. Not leaning one way or the other right now.
In the West, I also have four teams competing for the final two spots -- GSW, New Orleans, Denver and Oklahoma City. Pretty sure I am going to have New Orleans in there. That leaves three teams. Still leaning towards Golden State as my eight seed.
I think a strong argument could be made that whichever two teams miss out in the West, they'll be stronger than the final two teams who make it into the playoffs in the East.
Who - just a curious question:
How can you have those teams you listed out west in the bottom tier when your team has Asik, Zach (coming back from injury, and clearly not himself in the playoffs), AK47, Diaw and Koufus up front?
I like your frontline there, but I'd give my foursome a bit of an edge.
Would you feel comfortable playing either Asik or Koufous on KG/Zaza? I can see that in a match of Bigs, Boozer can guard Asik on defense, and pull him out of the paint on offense.
KG vs Zach? Post him up, or again - pull him out on the perimeter.
Neither Zach or Asik are particularly quick (as with KG and Boozer at this stage of their careers, but again I really like my shot vs your bigs.
Zach and Carlos Boozer, even with Zach healthy, is nearly a wash.
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So, does anybody have teams other than Houston, San Antonio, Philadelphia, and Miami in their bottom two in each conference?
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Lebron James: First ever triple-double in the Olympics by a US player. Zero turnovers.
OH MAN! THE OLYMPICS! If I had known we were playing fiba rules, SO and mine's team would have been soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo different.
Sorry, it wouldn't have worked. Edgar beat you to the "Draft The Best Player In The World" strategy.
(http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0512/nba_g_lebron_dunk_268.jpg)
He drafted Cleveland Lebron. This game just got soooooo much easier.
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Lebron James: First ever triple-double in the Olympics by a US player. Zero turnovers.
OH MAN! THE OLYMPICS! If I had known we were playing fiba rules, SO and mine's team would have been soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo different.
Sorry, it wouldn't have worked. Edgar beat you to the "Draft The Best Player In The World" strategy.
(http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0512/nba_g_lebron_dunk_268.jpg)
He drafted Cleveland Lebron. This game just got soooooo much easier.
Luckily, he doesn't have to go up against any defenders remotely as good as 2008 KG.
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Lebron James: First ever triple-double in the Olympics by a US player. Zero turnovers.
OH MAN! THE OLYMPICS! If I had known we were playing fiba rules, SO and mine's team would have been soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo different.
Sorry, it wouldn't have worked. Edgar beat you to the "Draft The Best Player In The World" strategy.
(http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0512/nba_g_lebron_dunk_268.jpg)
He drafted Cleveland Lebron. This game just got soooooo much easier.
Luckily, he doesn't have to go up against any defenders remotely as good as 2008 KG.
(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/001/188/517/110728852_crop_650x440.jpg?1303327075)
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I have three teams competing for the bottom two spots in the East - New York, Orlando, Cleveland. Not leaning one way or the other right now.
In the West, I also have four teams competing for the final two spots -- GSW, New Orleans, Denver and Oklahoma City. Pretty sure I am going to have New Orleans in there. That leaves three teams. Still leaning towards Golden State as my eight seed.
I think a strong argument could be made that whichever two teams miss out in the West, they'll be stronger than the final two teams who make it into the playoffs in the East.
Who - just a curious question:
How can you have those teams you listed out west in the bottom tier when your team has Asik, Zach (coming back from injury, and clearly not himself in the playoffs), AK47, Diaw and Koufus up front?
I like your frontline there, but I'd give my foursome a bit of an edge.
Would you feel comfortable playing either Asik or Koufous on KG/Zaza? I can see that in a match of Bigs, Boozer can guard Asik on defense, and pull him out of the paint on offense.
KG vs Zach? Post him up, or again - pull him out on the perimeter.
Neither Zach or Asik are particularly quick (as with KG and Boozer at this stage of their careers, but again I really like my shot vs your bigs.
Zach and Carlos Boozer, even with Zach healthy, is nearly a wash.
I don't think Denver has enough top tier talent.
There is only player in the Nuggets starting lineup that I would consider an above average starter (KG = 2nd best center). I have Conley around 15th, Ariza too and Boozer. I consider OJ Mayo a liability because he cannot defend or rebound his position.
I am one of those people who has gradually lost a lot of confidence in Boozer over the last two years. I no longer consider him a star talent. More of a highly skilled offensive orientated role player.
I think the Nuggets bench is lacking. I don't think they have any high level bench players. I think Zaza is the only above average bench player. Then 2-3 average bench players in Korver, Speights and Neal. And Nate Rob as below average.
There isn't enough high level talent or depth there for me to put Denver higher.
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I have three teams competing for the bottom two spots in the East - New York, Orlando, Cleveland. Not leaning one way or the other right now.
In the West, I also have four teams competing for the final two spots -- GSW, New Orleans, Denver and Oklahoma City. Pretty sure I am going to have New Orleans in there. That leaves three teams. Still leaning towards Golden State as my eight seed.
I think a strong argument could be made that whichever two teams miss out in the West, they'll be stronger than the final two teams who make it into the playoffs in the East.
Who - just a curious question:
How can you have those teams you listed out west in the bottom tier when your team has Asik, Zach (coming back from injury, and clearly not himself in the playoffs), AK47, Diaw and Koufus up front?
I like your frontline there, but I'd give my foursome a bit of an edge.
Would you feel comfortable playing either Asik or Koufous on KG/Zaza? I can see that in a match of Bigs, Boozer can guard Asik on defense, and pull him out of the paint on offense.
KG vs Zach? Post him up, or again - pull him out on the perimeter.
Neither Zach or Asik are particularly quick (as with KG and Boozer at this stage of their careers, but again I really like my shot vs your bigs.
Zach and Carlos Boozer, even with Zach healthy, is nearly a wash.
I don't think Denver has enough top tier talent. There is only player in your starting lineup that I would consider an above average starter (KG = 2nd best center).
I don't think KG has enough help.
So would you consider Zach (the way he looked late last season), Deron (40% FG, 33% from deep) in perhaps his worse season shooting, I think), Asik and Hayward top tier?
I think the argument can be made for Deron - when he is engaged.
And you believe that Hayward would be able to defend OJ? I like your wings, but I'd give my wings the slight edge as far as quickness and defense.
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Lebron James: First ever triple-double in the Olympics by a US player. Zero turnovers.
OH MAN! THE OLYMPICS! If I had known we were playing fiba rules, SO and mine's team would have been soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo different.
Sorry, it wouldn't have worked. Edgar beat you to the "Draft The Best Player In The World" strategy.
(http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0512/nba_g_lebron_dunk_268.jpg)
He drafted Cleveland Lebron. This game just got soooooo much easier.
Luckily, he doesn't have to go up against any defenders remotely as good as 2008 KG.
(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/001/188/517/110728852_crop_650x440.jpg?1303327075)
Lebron's career numbers in games Tony Allen appears in:
32.2 points, 7.1 rebounds, 7.2 assist, 2.4 steals, 1.4 blocks, 37.5% 3PT%, 50.8% FG%
That defense hasn't exactly been KG-like.
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For me (and in this format), I think "Top Tier" help is pick and choose.
Take for instance, Mike Conley - he is easily a top 8 PG in the league and would probably put up better numbers on a different team.
Lionel Hollins clearly favors Rudy-Marc-Zach as their Big Three. But even with that, Mike Conley is perhaps the most complete PG out there, and a very good shooter from deep and from the field - as well as a great defender (2.2 steals last season - tops among PGs I believe.
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I have three teams competing for the bottom two spots in the East - New York, Orlando, Cleveland. Not leaning one way or the other right now.
In the West, I also have four teams competing for the final two spots -- GSW, New Orleans, Denver and Oklahoma City. Pretty sure I am going to have New Orleans in there. That leaves three teams. Still leaning towards Golden State as my eight seed.
I think a strong argument could be made that whichever two teams miss out in the West, they'll be stronger than the final two teams who make it into the playoffs in the East.
Who - just a curious question:
How can you have those teams you listed out west in the bottom tier when your team has Asik, Zach (coming back from injury, and clearly not himself in the playoffs), AK47, Diaw and Koufus up front?
I like your frontline there, but I'd give my foursome a bit of an edge.
Would you feel comfortable playing either Asik or Koufous on KG/Zaza? I can see that in a match of Bigs, Boozer can guard Asik on defense, and pull him out of the paint on offense.
KG vs Zach? Post him up, or again - pull him out on the perimeter.
Neither Zach or Asik are particularly quick (as with KG and Boozer at this stage of their careers, but again I really like my shot vs your bigs.
Zach and Carlos Boozer, even with Zach healthy, is nearly a wash.
I don't think Denver has enough top tier talent. There is only player in your starting lineup that I would consider an above average starter (KG = 2nd best center).
I don't think KG has enough help.
So would you consider Zach (the way he looked late last season), Deron (40% FG, 33% from deep) in perhaps his worse season shooting, I think), Asik and Hayward top tier?
I think the argument can be made for Deron - when he is engaged.
And you believe that Hayward would be able to defend OJ? I like your wings, but I'd give my wings the slight edge as far as quickness and defense.
Not Asik (solid starter, not a high level talent). Hayward is debatable. I think Hayward will established himself as a top ten SG next season although he has not done so yet.
I consider Deron Williams a top five PG. Zach Randolph a borderline top five PF. Gallinari as a top ten SF.
I think my bench has 2 arguably 3 high level bench players in Kirilenko, Stuckey and (arguably) JJ Redick. An above average one in Ronnie Brewer. And an average backup center in Koufos. Plus - Boris Diaw, Anthony Morrow and Will Bynum. I think the bench is one of the strongest in the league.
Note: Sorry, I edited my previous response above. I am not sure if you saw that. You replied to my first version. I just added to that. Just in case you didn't see it. To explain further.
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Lebron James: First ever triple-double in the Olympics by a US player. Zero turnovers.
OH MAN! THE OLYMPICS! If I had known we were playing fiba rules, SO and mine's team would have been soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo different.
Sorry, it wouldn't have worked. Edgar beat you to the "Draft The Best Player In The World" strategy.
(http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0512/nba_g_lebron_dunk_268.jpg)
He drafted Cleveland Lebron. This game just got soooooo much easier.
Luckily, he doesn't have to go up against any defenders remotely as good as 2008 KG.
(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/001/188/517/110728852_crop_650x440.jpg?1303327075)
Lebron's career numbers in games Tony Allen appears in:
32.2 points, 7.1 rebounds, 7.2 assist, 2.4 steals, 1.4 blocks, 37.5% 3PT%, 50.8% FG%
That defense hasn't exactly been KG-like.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say a lot of those games KG was in also...
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For me (and in this format), I think "Top Tier" help is pick and choose.
Take for instance, Mike Conley - he is easily a top 8 PG in the league and would probably put up better numbers on a different team.
Lionel Hollins clearly favors Rudy-Marc-Zach as their Big Three. But even with that, Mike Conley is perhaps the most complete PG out there, and a very good shooter from deep and from the field - as well as a great defender (2.2 steals last season - tops among PGs I believe.
What type of increased production are you expecting from Mike Conley?
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Lebron James: First ever triple-double in the Olympics by a US player. Zero turnovers.
OH MAN! THE OLYMPICS! If I had known we were playing fiba rules, SO and mine's team would have been soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo different.
Sorry, it wouldn't have worked. Edgar beat you to the "Draft The Best Player In The World" strategy.
(http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0512/nba_g_lebron_dunk_268.jpg)
He drafted Cleveland Lebron. This game just got soooooo much easier.
Luckily, he doesn't have to go up against any defenders remotely as good as 2008 KG.
(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/001/188/517/110728852_crop_650x440.jpg?1303327075)
Lebron's career numbers in games Tony Allen appears in:
32.2 points, 7.1 rebounds, 7.2 assist, 2.4 steals, 1.4 blocks, 37.5% 3PT%, 50.8% FG%
That defense hasn't exactly been KG-like.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say a lot of those games KG was in also...
Yeah, but lucky for the Celts, Mike Brown was too stupid to play Lebron at PF, so KG wasn't covering him.
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You're playing him at PF?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-27ssiMKVKN4/TobJk6k4qVI/AAAAAAAABoE/U5hGMGOpFME/s1600/God16.jpg)
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I'm having a terrible time ranking the West, but I think I've come to a conclusion for my top 8 in the East, not counting my bulls.
1)Detroit
2) Indiana
3) Atlanta
4) Boston
5) Washington
6) New York
7) Cleveland
8) Orlando
9) Brooklyn
10) Philadelphia/Miami
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I'm having a terrible time ranking the West
Yeah, the West is a nightmare to rank. Very hard to separate teams in rankings.
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You're playing him at PF?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-27ssiMKVKN4/TobJk6k4qVI/AAAAAAAABoE/U5hGMGOpFME/s1600/God16.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZZ9jxUsoM5I/T2IaIU2NkoI/AAAAAAAAAR4/yW5_l5Fp2lc/s1600/Careful.jpg)
37.1 PER as a PF, 14.8 Opponent's PER as a PF.
(Oh, snap, that's better than either Aldridge or Horford!)
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You're playing him at PF?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-27ssiMKVKN4/TobJk6k4qVI/AAAAAAAABoE/U5hGMGOpFME/s1600/God16.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZZ9jxUsoM5I/T2IaIU2NkoI/AAAAAAAAAR4/yW5_l5Fp2lc/s1600/Careful.jpg)
37.1 PER as a PF, 14.8 Opponent's PER as a PF.
(Oh, snap, that's better than either Aldridge or Horford!)
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/012/812/tarp-30198.jpg?1251490663)
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Did Lebron James usually guard the opposing PF? I can't remember. Seems like thats a Battier job.
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You're playing him at PF?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-27ssiMKVKN4/TobJk6k4qVI/AAAAAAAABoE/U5hGMGOpFME/s1600/God16.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZZ9jxUsoM5I/T2IaIU2NkoI/AAAAAAAAAR4/yW5_l5Fp2lc/s1600/Careful.jpg)
37.1 PER as a PF, 14.8 Opponent's PER as a PF.
(Oh, snap, that's better than either Aldridge or Horford!)
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/012/812/tarp-30198.jpg?1251490663)
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRNSXFzxzRj7OCxptG8tFfM2JyC6L9cXSmNyXAD02d9VREM2M5jwHTdn4WbEA)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5264/5690126435_8f3c0e78aa.jpg)
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I'm having a terrible time ranking the West, but I think I've come to a conclusion for my top 8 in the East, not counting my bulls.
1)Detroit
2) Indiana
3) Atlanta
4) Boston
5) Washington
6) New York
7) Cleveland
8) Orlando
9) Brooklyn
10) Philadelphia/Miami
So do we follow the real seeding rules? No division winner lower than 4th but doesn't necessarily get HCA
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FWIW, here's my rankings:
East
Chi
Det
Wash
Atlanta ( Lady in the season but a freak in the playoffs)
Orlando
Indiana
NYK
Cle
Nets
Miami
76ers
West
LAL
Dal
Blazers
PHX
LAC
NOLA
UTAH
( LA/NOLA/UTAH were ranked by an elaborate coin flip scenario as I like all three teams and GMs and wanted to be fair.)
Nuggets
OKC
Dubs
Spurs
Houston
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Okc Okc Okc okc! Led by Bynum arguably the best center in the nba. A young stud in tyreke Evans. A Great 3rd option in Andrea bargnani. And possibly the deepest bench in the cnba! The 2011 Okc team led by Kobe and rondo are still bitter that they didn't make the playoffs last year.
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I'm having a terrible time ranking the West, but I think I've come to a conclusion for my top 8 in the East, not counting my bulls.
1)Detroit
2) Indiana
3) Atlanta
4) Boston
5) Washington
6) New York
7) Cleveland
8) Orlando
9) Brooklyn
10) Philadelphia/Miami
So do we follow the real seeding rules? No division winner lower than 4th but doesn't necessarily get HCA
Just rank the teams. Seeding is figured out afterward.
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FWIW, here's my rankings:
East
Chi
Det
Wash
Atlanta ( Lady in the season but a freak in the playoffs)
Orlando
Indiana
NYK
Cle
Nets
Miami
76ers
West
LAL
Dal
Blazers
PHX
LAC
NOLA
UTAH
( LA/NOLA/UTAH were ranked by an elaborate coin flip scenario as I like all three teams and GMs and wanted to be fair.)
Nuggets
OKC
Dubs
Spurs
Houston
Think you're missing a team in the East.
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FWIW, here's my rankings:
East
Chi
Det
Wash
Atlanta ( Lady in the season but a freak in the playoffs)
Orlando
Indiana
NYK
Cle
Nets
Miami
76ers
West
LAL
Dal
Blazers
PHX
LAC
NOLA
UTAH
( LA/NOLA/UTAH were ranked by an elaborate coin flip scenario as I like all three teams and GMs and wanted to be fair.)
Nuggets
OKC
Dubs
Spurs
Houston
Think you're missing a team in the East.
Boston
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FWIW, here's my rankings:
East
Chi
Det
Wash
Atlanta ( Lady in the season but a freak in the playoffs)
Orlando
Indiana
NYK
Cle
Nets
Miami
76ers
West
LAL
Dal
Blazers
PHX
LAC
NOLA
UTAH
( LA/NOLA/UTAH were ranked by an elaborate coin flip scenario as I like all three teams and GMs and wanted to be fair.)
Nuggets
OKC
Dubs
Spurs
Houston
Think you're missing a team in the East.
And your rankings in the West might be slightly out of order. Better consult with your co-GM. ;)
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For folks who missed it, here are the rules on voting: http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=49399.msg1297635#msg1297635
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Here's how I see the battle for the 8th/9th seed in each conference going:
8. Orlando
9. Cleveland
8. Phoenix
9. Oklahoma City
I'm open-minded, though. Convince me that I'm overlooking something on your team, and I'll adjust my rankings accordingly.
Is NYK in your top 8?
Yes.
Are the Celtics in the top 8 if yes are they in the top 5?
:-X
Lol it seems you're more concerned and interested in my team than even your own.
Lol my bad I meant the Wizards just that since im a celtics fan i said the Celtics.
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FWIW, here's my rankings:
East
Chi
Det
Wash
Atlanta ( Lady in the season but a freak in the playoffs)
Orlando
Indiana
NYK
Cle
Nets
Miami
76ers
West
LAL
Dal
Blazers
PHX
LAC
NOLA
UTAH
( LA/NOLA/UTAH were ranked by an elaborate coin flip scenario as I like all three teams and GMs and wanted to be fair.)
Nuggets
OKC
Dubs
Spurs
Houston
Think you're missing a team in the East.
And out West...
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS362X0mwz7D5x7lmSXhnYQRRRKji9kLBaiV6RF-QkEgQqoxasYjg)
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For me (and in this format), I think "Top Tier" help is pick and choose.
Take for instance, Mike Conley - he is easily a top 8 PG in the league and would probably put up better numbers on a different team.
Lionel Hollins clearly favors Rudy-Marc-Zach as their Big Three. But even with that, Mike Conley is perhaps the most complete PG out there, and a very good shooter from deep and from the field - as well as a great defender (2.2 steals last season - tops among PGs I believe.
What type of increased production are you expecting from Mike Conley?
I'm expecting a slight ppg increase from him, which I can see him doing easily. He will probably alternate with KG for 3 or 4 on the dpeth chart scoring-wise.
I'm expecting an increase in his assists, from roughly 7 to around 9. His steals will remain among the tops in the leage (2 or more).
I believe Conley can easily produce stellar defense, leadership, 16-17 pts, 9 assists, 2 steals and 3 reb season from him in this format, and do it efficiently.
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So when does voting start?
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So when does voting start?
I'm done with it already. Stayed up late and read all the ridiculously positive spins on each team that are their pressers and voted this morning.
Can't wait to see Houston finish dead last.
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So when does voting start?
I'm done with it already. Stayed up late and read all the ridiculously positive spins on each team that are their pressers and voted this morning.
Can't wait to see Houston finish dead last.
Not sure you'll finish behind Philly or Miami.
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Should there be a moratorium on releasing your vote or can I tell everyone how I voted so they can get mad at me and put Houston last instead of first, where they belong. ;)
Seriously, should people refrain from releasing their vote until polls close. Question mark.
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Should there be a moratorium on releasing your vote or can I tell everyone how I voted so they can get mad at me and put Houston last instead of first, where they belong. ;)
Seriously, should people refrain from releasing their vote until polls close. Question mark.
Some folks have already posted theirs, I think. It shouldn't be an issue.
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Should there be a moratorium on releasing your vote or can I tell everyone how I voted so they can get mad at me and put Houston last instead of first, where they belong. ;)
Seriously, should people refrain from releasing their vote until polls close. Question mark.
Let em fly. Also for those who haven't been commenting much, I encourage people to think about releasing their ballot before they submit it. Gives GM's a shot to change your mind, and everyone feels like they were given a fair shot.
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Eastern Conference:
Pistons
Bulls
Wizards
Pacers
Magic
Boston
Knicks
Nets
Cavs
Heat
76ers
Western Conference
Dallas
Lakers
Blazers
Clippers
Jazz
Suns
Golden State
Hornets
Nuggets
Thunder
Rockets
Spurs
Thats my pre-emptive ranking. Havent voted yet
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Eastern Conference:
Pistons
Bulls
Wizards
Pacers
Magic
Boston
Knicks
Nets
Cavs
Heat
76ers
Western Conference
Dallas
Lakers
Blazers
Clippers
Jazz
Suns
Golden State
Hornets
Nuggets
Thunder
Rockets
Spurs
Thats my pre-emptive ranking. Havent voted yet
I'm curious: where would you rank your own team?
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Eastern Conference
Bulls
Hawks
Pacers
Celtics
Pistons
Knicks
Wizards
Cavaliers
Magic
Nets
Heat
76ers
Western Conference
Mavericks
Lakers
Blazers
Hornets
Suns
Nuggets
Warriors
Clippers
Thunder
Jazz
Spurs
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Eastern Conference
Bulls
Hawks
Pacers
Celtics
Pistons
Knicks
Wizards
Cavaliers
Magic
Nets
Heat
76ers
Western Conference
Mavericks
Lakers
Blazers
Hornets
Suns
Nuggets
Warriors
Clippers
Thunder
Jazz
Spurs
Can I ask what you didn't like about the Jazz?
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Eastern Conference:
Pistons
Bulls
Wizards
Pacers
Magic
Boston
Knicks
Nets
Cavs
Heat
76ers
Western Conference
Dallas
Lakers
Blazers
Clippers
Jazz
Suns
Golden State
Hornets
Nuggets
Thunder
Rockets
Spurs
Thats my pre-emptive ranking. Havent voted yet
I'm curious: where would you rank your own team?
An upper echilon called "The "how did this team even get put together?" conference".....Still waiting for IP to release the voting rules for that conference
In all seriousness though, in the regular season im shooting for the 3rd-4th seed. In the playoffs I don't think there is a team in either conference that we couldnt beat
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No love for Okc ? Tremendous depth and a starting 5 that works well together. Superstat bigman and rising star tyreke Evans. Bargnani is a 3rd option...
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No love for Okc ? Tremendous depth and a starting 5 that works well together. Superstat bigman and rising star tyreke Evans. Bargnani is a 3rd option...
I think your team suffers from having two guys that CelticsBloggers are down on presently: Tyreke and Bargnani. There are probably a dozen players who, for whatever reason, hurt a team just by having them. Monta, Mo Williams, Bargnani, Tyreke... Sometimes guys can shed a perception, though, like Zach Randolph.
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No love for Okc ? Tremendous depth and a starting 5 that works well together. Superstat bigman and rising star tyreke Evans. Bargnani is a 3rd option...
I think your team suffers from having two guys that CelticsBloggers are down on presently: Tyreke and Bargnani. There are probably a dozen players who, for whatever reason, hurt a team just by having them. Monta, Mo Williams, Bargnani, Tyreke... Sometimes guys can shed a perception, though, like Zach Randolph.
You've gotta know where the line is where you're just pushing them too much.
For example, with Bargnani, 25 minutes a night as a super-sub I thought you can sell on a contender.
As a second scoring option, and on a team with Andrew Bynum as the leader? Notsomuch.
Tyreke Evans for me, almost the same exact situation. Selling him as a 6th man to give a different look on a team with strong vet leadership, I think he could be a difference maker.
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Eastern Conference
Pistons
Bulls
Hawks
Celtics
Wizards
Pacers
Magic
Knicks
Cavaliers
Nets
Sixers
Heat
Western Conference
Mavericks
Suns
Clippers
Blazers
Lakers
Hornets
Warriors
Thunder
Nuggets
Spurs
Rockets
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Eastern Conference
Bulls
Hawks
Pacers
Celtics
Pistons
Knicks
Wizards
Cavaliers
Magic
Nets
Heat
76ers
Western Conference
Mavericks
Lakers
Blazers
Hornets
Suns
Nuggets
Warriors
Clippers
Thunder
Jazz
Spurs
Can I ask what you didn't like about the Jazz?
I don't buy Asik as a center that can start playing against the best centers in the league nor do I buy him playing well for more than 20-22 MPG.
I think Randolph feel back into immature, team killing ZBo when he returned last year and his coach had to relegate him to the bench because of it.
Gallinari, Haywood, Morrow, Bynum are all poor defenders, and my last impression of Kirilenko was him sleeping walking through his last few years in Utah. I am not convinced he has any fire left, especially to be an off the bench player.
I said it in the presser. I just don't like the mix and lack of big men depth and defense from players playing big minutes.
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No love for Okc ? Tremendous depth and a starting 5 that works well together. Superstat bigman and rising star tyreke Evans. Bargnani is a 3rd option...
I think your team suffers from having two guys that CelticsBloggers are down on presently: Tyreke and Bargnani. There are probably a dozen players who, for whatever reason, hurt a team just by having them. Monta, Mo Williams, Bargnani, Tyreke... Sometimes guys can shed a perception, though, like Zach Randolph.
You've gotta know where the line is where you're just pushing them too much.
For example, with Bargnani, 25 minutes a night as a super-sub I thought you can sell on a contender.
As a second scoring option, and on a team with Andrew Bynum as the leader? Notsomuch.
Tyreke Evans for me, almost the same exact situation. Selling him as a 6th man to give a different look on a team with strong vet leadership, I think he could be a difference maker.
Yeah. You've also got to put a ton of work into selling guys. For instance, with Randolph that dude used to be the equivalent of cancer. He was getting moved around the league like a hot potato, and we decided to gamble on him (in a move involving Bargnani, I believe). At that point, we needed to spend a ton of time showing folks that Randolph had matured, and just how dominant his numbers were. In other words, we scrubbed away the negative perception to the best of our ability.
With Tyreke and Bargs, you've got to convince folks.
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No love for Okc ? Tremendous depth and a starting 5 that works well together. Superstat bigman and rising star tyreke Evans. Bargnani is a 3rd option...
I think your team suffers from having two guys that CelticsBloggers are down on presently: Tyreke and Bargnani. There are probably a dozen players who, for whatever reason, hurt a team just by having them. Monta, Mo Williams, Bargnani, Tyreke... Sometimes guys can shed a perception, though, like Zach Randolph.
You've gotta know where the line is where you're just pushing them too much.
For example, with Bargnani, 25 minutes a night as a super-sub I thought you can sell on a contender.
As a second scoring option, and on a team with Andrew Bynum as the leader? Notsomuch.
Tyreke Evans for me, almost the same exact situation. Selling him as a 6th man to give a different look on a team with strong vet leadership, I think he could be a difference maker.
Yeah. You've also got to put a ton of work into selling guys. For instance, with Randolph that dude used to be the equivalent of cancer. He was getting moved around the league like a hot potato, and we decided to gamble on him (in a move involving Bargnani, I believe). At that point, we needed to spend a ton of time showing folks that Randolph had matured, and just how dominant his numbers were. In other words, we scrubbed away the negative perception to the best of our ability.
With Tyreke and Bargs, you've got to convince folks.
Wasnt bargs playing great before he got injured last year? Tyreke and bargs are not cancers so I don't get all the hate. Last year a team with Kobe and rondo didn't make the playoffs either so I guess I can't win.
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No love for Okc ? Tremendous depth and a starting 5 that works well together. Superstat bigman and rising star tyreke Evans. Bargnani is a 3rd option...
I think your team suffers from having two guys that CelticsBloggers are down on presently: Tyreke and Bargnani. There are probably a dozen players who, for whatever reason, hurt a team just by having them. Monta, Mo Williams, Bargnani, Tyreke... Sometimes guys can shed a perception, though, like Zach Randolph.
I'm not sure Mo Williams is still on that list. I think he's shown to be an effective role player.
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No love for Okc ? Tremendous depth and a starting 5 that works well together. Superstat bigman and rising star tyreke Evans. Bargnani is a 3rd option...
I think your team suffers from having two guys that CelticsBloggers are down on presently: Tyreke and Bargnani. There are probably a dozen players who, for whatever reason, hurt a team just by having them. Monta, Mo Williams, Bargnani, Tyreke... Sometimes guys can shed a perception, though, like Zach Randolph.
I'm not sure Mo Williams is still on that list. I think he's shown to be an effective role player.
I like Jack better for me, but I would've been okay with Mo Williams in the same role if I had to. I think he's found his niche.
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Eastern Conference:
Pistons
Bulls
Wizards
Pacers
Magic
Boston
Knicks
Nets
Cavs
Heat
76ers
Western Conference
Dallas
Lakers
Blazers
Clippers
Jazz
Suns
Golden State
Hornets
Nuggets
Thunder
Rockets
Spurs
Thats my pre-emptive ranking. Havent voted yet
Pretty solid rankings i didnt know who to put first between the bulls and the pistons i went with the bulls but i think in a head to head piston would win
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Hey, how come no ones talking about our fake league? Did I miss something?
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Hey, how come no ones talking about our fake league? Did I miss something?
It must be the start of NFL preseason.
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I voted!
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Wondering if the Cavs made the playoffs. If not, I'll trade Melo next season to rebuild.
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Wondering if the Cavs made the playoffs. If not, I'll trade Melo next season to rebuild.
Maybe you can land Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Harrison Barnes. ;)
I'm very interested to see how the playoff seeding comes out, as well. There could be some epic matchups, especially in the second round.
Also, I'm hoping for a Dallas / Golden State matchup in the first round, just because a CB Draft without a RH vs. TWW conflict is no CB Draft at all.
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I sent my vote in. when do we here results?
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Eastern
1) Chicago
2) Detroit
3) Boston
4) Atlanta
5) Washington
6) Indiana
7) New York
8) Orlando
9) Brooklyn
10) Cleveland
11) Miami
12) Philadelphia
Western
1) Portland
2) Dallas
3) Los Angeles Lakers
4) Phoenix
5) Utah
6) Los Angeles Clippers
7) New Orleans
8) Oklahoma City
9) Golden State
10) Denver
11) San Antonio
12) Houston
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I sent my vote in. when do we here results?
It depends. I think IP wanted to compile them, but he's getting married tomorrow, so......
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Hey, how come no ones talking about our fake league? Did I miss something?
It must be the start of NFL preseason.
Please tell me this is a reference to ESPN SportsCenter last night leading by announcing that the trade was made, and then going through the highlights for Skins-Bills, Steelers-Eagles, and then a look into replacement refs before bringing on Marc Stein to talk about trade with a little more depth
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So, if the real life Lakers and Heat were in our draft, would they be the #1 seeds in each conference?
They'd have to be, right? They'd cruise to the Finals, I assume.
Pretty sick that the Lakers have three first rounders and 4 of the first 39 guys picked. The Heat aren't far behind with three of the first 35.
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So, if the real life Lakers and Heat were in our draft, would they be the #1 seeds in each conference?
They'd have to be, right? They'd cruise to the Finals, I assume.
Pretty sick that the Lakers have three first rounders and 4 of the first 39 guys picked. The Heat aren't far behind with three of the first 35.
For sure the Lakers would. I'd have to assume the Heat would as well, only thing that could stop them would be a tough matchup with bigs like my and KC teams and I think there's one other elite front court out there.
What's funny is that after my initial shock and depression, my next reaction was 'there's no way way WD, IP and/or Roy would've approved this trade.'
That's when I knew I had a problem
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^^ LOL Startorien...
Yeah ORL's "haul" reminds me of teams in CBD that have decided to go for Team of the Future and trade a star for 8 dimes.
Except TOTF are usually better than ORL will be next year. This was a moronic move by them. I honestly think they would have gotten as much or more in return if they'd told DHoward "you're playing 2012-13 for us and can leave as a FA afterwards --- like Steve Nash"
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^^ LOL Startorien...
Yeah ORL's "haul" reminds me of teams in CBD that have decided to go for Team of the Future and trade a star for 8 dimes.
Except TOTF are usually better than ORL will be next year. This was a moronic move by them. I honestly think they would have gotten as much or more in return if they'd told DHoward "you're playing 2012-13 for us and can leave as a FA afterwards --- like Steve Nash"
That trade for Howard would have been vetoed in the CB Draft.
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^^ LOL Startorien...
Yeah ORL's "haul" reminds me of teams in CBD that have decided to go for Team of the Future and trade a star for 8 dimes.
Except TOTF are usually better than ORL will be next year. This was a moronic move by them. I honestly think they would have gotten as much or more in return if they'd told DHoward "you're playing 2012-13 for us and can leave as a FA afterwards --- like Steve Nash"
That trade for Howard would have been vetoed in the CB Draft.
If only someone would've come at me with Vucevic, Afflalo, and Harkless...
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^^ LOL Startorien...
Yeah ORL's "haul" reminds me of teams in CBD that have decided to go for Team of the Future and trade a star for 8 dimes.
Except TOTF are usually better than ORL will be next year. This was a moronic move by them. I honestly think they would have gotten as much or more in return if they'd told DHoward "you're playing 2012-13 for us and can leave as a FA afterwards --- like Steve Nash"
That trade for Howard would have been vetoed in the CB Draft.
If only someone would've come at me with Vucevic, Afflalo, and Harkless...
You act like you didn't turn down Vucevic, Lamb, and Parsons for Howard and Johnson.
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Unofficial results and playoff matchups are up here: http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=59559.msg1299545
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More of less what I expected in terms of results.
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If eligible for Rio, Kyrie going for SURE. While covering Team USA hearing nothing but raves about him. One of first names on 2016 roster
Good to see Irving getting some respect.
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If eligible for Rio, Kyrie going for SURE. While covering Team USA hearing nothing but raves about him. One of first names on 2016 roster
Good to see Irving getting some respect.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9dxmWoMH9_4/TGpINntrg3I/AAAAAAAAAMc/JxtEidBJhfI/s1600/yawn_3.jpg)
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If eligible for Rio, Kyrie going for SURE. While covering Team USA hearing nothing but raves about him. One of first names on 2016 roster
Good to see Irving getting some respect.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9dxmWoMH9_4/TGpINntrg3I/AAAAAAAAAMc/JxtEidBJhfI/s1600/yawn_3.jpg)
Kyrie Irving is the first rookie since Tim Duncan to average 18.5 points on a TS% of .566 or higher. He's the first rookie guard to do it since Michael Jordan.
The kid is a stud. You have no idea.
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If eligible for Rio, Kyrie going for SURE. While covering Team USA hearing nothing but raves about him. One of first names on 2016 roster
Good to see Irving getting some respect.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9dxmWoMH9_4/TGpINntrg3I/AAAAAAAAAMc/JxtEidBJhfI/s1600/yawn_3.jpg)
Kyrie Irving is the first rookie since Tim Duncan to average 18.5 points on a TS% of .566 or higher. He's the first rookie guard to do it since Michael Jordan.
The kid is a stud. You have no idea.
(http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/148/b/f/1306574989_big_yawn_by_belldandy1-d3hemov.jpg)
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So Vucevic will be playing 30 mins a game for Orlando Next season right?
12 and 10 next season? Hello!
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Hey SO, remember that time we put together a starting 5 in this game and then ESPN did a ranking of all the NBA players and the first guy in our starting 5 on that ranking was at #66? That was awesome.
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Hey SO, remember that time we put together a starting 5 in this game and then ESPN did a ranking of all the NBA players and the first guy in our starting 5 on that ranking was at #66? That was awesome.
Your team was good.
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Hey SO, remember that time we put together a starting 5 in this game and then ESPN did a ranking of all the NBA players and the first guy in our starting 5 on that ranking was at #66? That was awesome.
Not if the the last guy from your starting five is ranked no higher than 50. ;) ;D
Seriously, I have no idea where your guys are ranked.
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As much as I hate to admit it, the best team won.
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As much as I hate to admit it, the best team won.
2lies1sentence.com
Roy neither hates to admit it, and his team wasn't the best. Until Kyrie Irving plays a full season and torches Jrue Holiday, ain't the best!
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As much as I hate to admit it, the team from the best conference won.
Fixed.
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http://deadspin.com/5945636/local-news-anchor-randomly-slips-an-overrated-into-a-segment-about-dwyane-wades-book-signing
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Kyrie Irving: 29 points, 6 assists, 6 rebounds
Anderson Varejao: 9 points, 23 rebounds, 9 assists, 2 blocks
The CrotoNats are looking good on opening night. (Well, other than Jeff Green :P)
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Kyrie Irving: 29 points, 6 assists, 6 rebounds
Anderson Varejao: 9 points, 23 rebounds, 9 assists, 2 blocks
The CrotoNats are looking good on opening night. (Well, other than Jeff Green :P)
But we all know Jeff is a comodity
Not to mention what LeBron did in his first game...
:p
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Jrue Holiday: 14 pts, 11 asts, 6 rebs
Wade: 29 pts, 3 reb, 2 asts, 1 steal
Piece: 23 pts, 5 rebs, 5 asts
Young: 13 pts, 5 boards
Bosh: 19 pts, 10 rebs, 3 blocks
J Jack: 10 pts, 7 asts, 3 rebs
Parsons: 11 pts, 7 rebs, 6 asts
Splitter: 7 pts, 6 rebs
So its like..whatever. Just a nice, well-rounded, multifaceted attack full of talented ball players.
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Jrue Holiday: 14 pts, 11 asts, 6 rebs
Wade: 29 pts, 3 reb, 2 asts, 1 steal
Piece: 23 pts, 5 rebs, 5 asts
Young: 13 pts, 5 boards
Bosh: 19 pts, 10 rebs, 3 blocks
J Jack: 10 pts, 7 asts, 3 rebs
Parsons: 11 pts, 7 rebs, 6 asts
Splitter: 7 pts, 6 rebs
So its like..whatever. Just a nice, well-rounded, multifaceted attack full of talented ball players.
What did you trade for Paul Pierce again?
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Damian Lillard is looking like a good point guard. Certainly one that can hold down the fort until Derrick Rose comes back.
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Damian Lillard is looking like a good point guard. Certainly one that can hold down the fort until Derrick Rose comes back.
Certainly seems that way. Looked like a baller last night.
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Kyle Lowry: 21 pts, 8 assts, 7 boards, 5 steals.
Tony Allen: 8 pts, 1 assts, 5 boards, 3 steals
Rudy Gay: 25 pts,3 assts, 7 boards, 2 steals, 1 block
LaMarcus Aldridge: 19 pts, 3 boards, 2 blocks
Al Horford: Polished his leadership skills some more
Carlos Delfino:15 pts, 7 boards, 1 steal
Dion Waiters: 17pts, 2 boards, 3 steals.
Al-Faruq Aminu: 17 pts, 7 boards,3 assts, 2 steals, 3 blocks.
DEPTH!
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Gortat-13pts 12.3 rebs 3.5 blks
P. Gasol- 15.8 pts 10.3 rebs 1.5 blks
G. Wallace - 10pts 6 rebs 4 asts
J.R Smith- 16 pts 6.3 rebs 4.3 asts
Steph Curry - 16.5 pts 5.5 rebs 5.5 asts
Bench
Lou Williams - 20.5 pts 4.5 asts 2.5 steals
Jameer Nelson- 9pts 7 asts 4 rebs
Beasley- 13.3 pts 4.5 rebs
Blair - 8 pts 7.5 rebs
Hawes - 8.7 pts 8.0 rebs 1.7 blks
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So far my team sucks, which is what I expected. But given how much playing time these guys are getting and how young they are, I think they will so by year's end that they easily have the highest upside for every year to come for the next 10 years.
Starters
Jeremy Lin 15.3 PPG, 5.7 RPG, 7.3 APG, 2.33 SPG, 39%/33%/92%
Michael Kidd Gilchrist 7.5 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 1.5 APG, 2.5 SPG, 1.5 BPG, 33%/0%/56%
Harrison Barnes 7.5 PPG, 1.5 RPG, 1.8 APG, 46%/25%/100%
Kenneth Faried 10 PPG, 8.0 RPG, 0.3 APG, 55%/0%/0%
Serge Ibaka 8.3 PPG, 6.3 RPG, 2.3 SPG, 40%/0%/75%
Bench
Austin Rivers 6 PPG, 2 RPG, 3.3 APG, 1.7 SPG, 20%/0%/80%
Jonas Valanciunas 6 PPG, 5.7 RPG, 1.3 APG, 1.3 BPG, 33%/0%/0%
Courtney Lee 7.3 PPG, 1.3 RPG, 1.0 APG, 50%/25%/0%
Rodrique Beaubois 9.5 PPG, 1.0 RPG, 2.5 APG, 54%/50%/100%
Ekpe Udoh 7.5 PPG, 1.5 RPG, 1.0 APG, 1.5 SPG, 1.0 BPG 55%/0%/83%
Henson, Montiejunas, Anderson have not played this year.
We might be the single worst shooting team in the league but I am impressed by some of the defensive numbers being put up.
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Apology accepted, everyone.
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Damian Lillard is looking like a good point guard. Certainly one that can hold down the fort until Derrick Rose comes back.
Lillard's the type of guy that makes me want to do midseason awards. Really thought that this kid was going to be something special. But obviously in this draft, that doesn't matter much.
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Apology accepted, everyone.
Yay!
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Biggest good surprises so far: AK47, Lillard, Harden
Bad surprises: ?
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Biggest good surprises so far: AK47, Lillard, Harden
Bad surprises: ?
Nick Young ( philly let go of lou williams to get young)
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Biggest good surprises so far: AK47, Lillard, Harden
Bad surprises: ?
I'll admit I'm a tad surprised about the extent Lowry has gone off.
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Biggest good surprises so far: AK47, Lillard, Harden
Bad surprises: ?
I'll admit I'm a tad surprised about the extent Lowry has gone off.
I KEEP TELLING PEOPLE! I KEEP SAYING IT!! Top 5 PG when healthy. Nobody listens!
The only concern Od have with Lowry is his ability to be as effective with a ball-dominant wing or big man.
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Biggest good surprises so far: AK47, Lillard, Harden
Bad surprises: ?
I'll admit I'm a tad surprised about the extent Lowry has gone off.
I KEEP TELLING PEOPLE! I KEEP SAYING IT!! Top 5 PG when healthy. Nobody listens!
The only concern Od have with Lowry is his ability to be as effective with a ball-dominant wing or big man.
He was playing great but right now against the thunder he hasntt done much.
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Ummmm. no one is surprised by the start of Lin and Harden in Houston? Really?
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Ummmm. no one is surprised by the start of Lin and Harden in Houston? Really?
Im surprised. Also Jennings, Greiviis Vasquezz, Omer Asik
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Ummmm. no one is surprised by the start of Lin and Harden in Houston? Really?
Im surprised. Also Jennings, Greiviis Vasquezz, Omer Asik
You hear that Nick and IP, GREVIS VASQUEZ! WHY DOES NO ONE LIKE MY BINKIES UNTIL THEY'RE GOOD!
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Ummmm. no one is surprised by the start of Lin and Harden in Houston? Really?
Im surprised. Also Jennings, Greiviis Vasquezz, Omer Asik
You hear that Nick and IP, GREVIS VASQUEZ! WHY DOES NO ONE LIKE MY BINKIES UNTIL THEY'RE GOOD!
Vasquez went to Maryland where my best friend was a SID. He thought Vasquez was too slow and would never make it in the NBA.
One of the few times he was wrong about a player
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Detroit Pistons
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Ummmm. no one is surprised by the start of Lin and Harden in Houston? Really?
Im surprised. Also Jennings, Greiviis Vasquezz, Omer Asik
You hear that Nick and IP, GREVIS VASQUEZ! WHY DOES NO ONE LIKE MY BINKIES UNTIL THEY'RE GOOD!
Vasquez went to Maryland where my best friend was a SID. He thought Vasquez was too slow and would never make it in the NBA.
One of the few times he was wrong about a player
(http://www.thesportsbank.net/core/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/wesley-matthews.jpg)
This guy thinks you should know better than to doubt me, Nick. ;D
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I'm not surprised by Lin, he is about what I said he'd be. Rebounding numbers are nice though.
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Ummmm. no one is surprised by the start of Lin and Harden in Houston? Really?
Im surprised. Also Jennings, Greiviis Vasquezz, Omer Asik
You hear that Nick and IP, GREVIS VASQUEZ! WHY DOES NO ONE LIKE MY BINKIES UNTIL THEY'RE GOOD!
Vasquez went to Maryland where my best friend was a SID. He thought Vasquez was too slow and would never make it in the NBA.
One of the few times he was wrong about a player
(http://www.thesportsbank.net/core/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/wesley-matthews.jpg)
This guy thinks you should know better than to doubt me, Nick. ;D
Different when I have inside info. My buddy is at U Texas now. Watch out for David Ashe people(football). I hear he is a top 15 QB in the NFL someday.
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Ummmm. no one is surprised by the start of Lin and Harden in Houston? Really?
Im surprised. Also Jennings, Greiviis Vasquezz, Omer Asik
You hear that Nick and IP, GREVIS VASQUEZ! WHY DOES NO ONE LIKE MY BINKIES UNTIL THEY'RE GOOD!
Vasquez went to Maryland where my best friend was a SID. He thought Vasquez was too slow and would never make it in the NBA.
One of the few times he was wrong about a player
(http://www.thesportsbank.net/core/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/wesley-matthews.jpg)
This guy thinks you should know better than to doubt me, Nick. ;D
Different when I have inside info. My buddy is at U Texas now. Watch out for David Ashe people(football). I hear he is a top 15 QB in the NFL someday.
Nah, I hear ya. it's always hard to figure out which players have enough heart to overcome their physical deficits.
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Ummmm. no one is surprised by the start of Lin and Harden in Houston? Really?
Im surprised. Also Jennings, Greiviis Vasquezz, Omer Asik
You hear that Nick and IP, GREVIS VASQUEZ! WHY DOES NO ONE LIKE MY BINKIES UNTIL THEY'RE GOOD!
I drafted vasquez so im a bit mad that i traded him
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So far, George Hill has been tremendous.
David West has been very good
Kobe has been much more efficient, shooting almost 60% from the field, 53% from downtown and 94% from the line.
Duncan has been been stellar as well averaging 19-10.
Not a team that I don't like my chances against.
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Three games isn't long enough to make any lasting conclusions, but the CrotoNats are liking their chances:
Varejao: 14 points, 15 rebounds
Lebron: 23 points, 9.3 rebounds, 5.0 assists, 1.3 blocks, 54.5% 3PT%
Dunleavy: 18 points, 9.0 rebounds, 4.0 assists, 2.0 steals, 87.5% 3PT%
Sefolosha: 6.3 points, 4.3 rebounds, 2.0 assists, 1.0 blocks, 62.5% 3PT%
Irving: 23.8 points, 6.0 assists, 41.2% 3PT%
R. Lopez: 14.3 points, 7.7 rebounds, 2.0 blocks, 55.6% FG%
Gordon: 8.0 points, 40.0% 3PT%
Green: 8.3 points, 1.3 steals
Brand: 5.8 points, 6.3 rebounds, 1.0 blocks, 1.3 steals
Brooks: 7.5 points, 35.7% 3PT%
Basically, Lebron and Irving are superstars, and the rest of the team is made up of hard-working role players. Brand's offense has sucked so far this year, but the defense and rebounding are there, which is all we needed. Robin Lopez has been as good as we hoped, justifying our "reach" for him.
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Three games isn't long enough to make any lasting conclusions, but the CrotoNats are liking their chances:
Varejao: 14 points, 15 rebounds
Lebron: 23 points, 9.3 rebounds, 5.0 assists, 1.3 blocks, 54.5% 3PT%
Dunleavy: 18 points, 9.0 rebounds, 4.0 assists, 2.0 steals, 87.5% 3PT%
Sefolosha: 6.3 points, 4.3 rebounds, 2.0 assists, 1.0 blocks, 62.5% 3PT%
Irving: 23.8 points, 6.0 assists, 41.2% 3PT%
R. Lopez: 14.3 points, 7.7 rebounds, 2.0 blocks, 55.6% FG%
Gordon: 8.0 points, 40.0% 3PT%
Green: 8.3 points, 1.3 steals
Brand: 5.8 points, 6.3 rebounds, 1.0 blocks, 1.3 steals
Brooks: 7.5 points, 35.7% 3PT%
Basically, Lebron and Irving are superstars, and the rest of the team is made up of hard-working role players. Brand's offense has sucked so far this year, but the defense and rebounding are there, which is all we needed. Robin Lopez has been as good as we hoped, justifying our "reach" for him.
Robin lopez with the ability to learn from Varejao could become a very good player.
Loving him on two of my fantasy teams this year.
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How about Melo and Felton working together huh? Not so bad.
Bogut, even on limited time is also killing it.
And boy, Jason Smith, what a steal that was huh??? Drummond is making a bit of an impact as well. We lost Rush for the season though, that's bad.
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How about Melo and Felton working together huh? Not so bad.
Bogut, even on limited time is also killing it.
And boy, Jason Smith, what a steal that was huh??? Drummond is making a bit of an impact as well. We lost Rush for the season though, that's bad.
Well Bogut is on my fantasy team I would say he is far from killing it
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Kyle Lowry: 21 pts, 8 assts, 7 boards, 5 steals.
Tony Allen: 8 pts, 1 assts, 5 boards, 3 steals
Rudy Gay: 25 pts,3 assts, 7 boards, 2 steals, 1 block
LaMarcus Aldridge: 19 pts, 3 boards, 2 blocks
Al Horford: Polished his leadership skills some more
Carlos Delfino:15 pts, 7 boards, 1 steal
Dion Waiters: 17pts, 2 boards, 3 steals.
Al-Faruq Aminu: 17 pts, 7 boards,3 assts, 2 steals, 3 blocks.
DEPTH!
Rookies are tough, i drafted Waiters initially but moved him after i realized that he wasn't going to be much of an asset to lean on, in large part due to his poor summer league showing, but talk about a kid that would make a great compliment to TA off the bench. He reminds me a bit of Ben Gordon the way he can just launch threes over defenders from anywhere on the court.
Meanwhile, the Blazers are what we thought they were.
J. Johnson, Millsap, and D. Howard have been very good, while Wilson Chandler has looked lost so far, and not much team depth to compensate for it.
Backup PG has been a nice suprise. Udrih playing really well right now while Brandon Knight is progressing - at least in the playmaker department.
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Looks like the Granger for Varejao + picks (which I believe got turned into Sefolosha and Lopez) trade is working out okay. Tough break for Granger.
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How about Melo and Felton working together huh? Not so bad.
Bogut, even on limited time is also killing it.
And boy, Jason Smith, what a steal that was huh??? Drummond is making a bit of an impact as well. We lost Rush for the season though, that's bad.
Well Bogut is on my fantasy team I would say he is far from killing it
Don't drop him. Be patient. He's still on the 20 minute limit to make sure his ankle is gonna be fine in the later part o the season. But he's been productive on that little allotted time. 8/4/1 block/61% shooting in 18 minutes a game isn't bad.
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How about Melo and Felton working together huh? Not so bad.
Bogut, even on limited time is also killing it.
And boy, Jason Smith, what a steal that was huh??? Drummond is making a bit of an impact as well. We lost Rush for the season though, that's bad.
Well Bogut is on my fantasy team I would say he is far from killing it
Don't drop him. Be patient. He's still on the 20 minute limit to make sure his ankle is gonna be fine in the later part o the season. But he's been productive on that little allotted time. 8/4/1 block/61% shooting in 18 minutes a game isn't bad.
Rebounding numbers are a real concern.
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See, no one thought Ray Felton will bounce back. He and Melo are playing great basketball together.
ANd man Jerryd Bayless huh? Really efficient as a back up 1/2.
Tyrus getting a bit of a slow return to prominence but he looks decent there.
JASON SMITH! PER over 20's, while having a sore thumb.
And if when, not if Bogut comes back, this team will be better. WHile he's out, Drummond will cover who's also doing a nice job (PER over 20's as well).
Need to replace the 2 guards and a backup 3. Roy is not doing anything, Rush is out for the season. PJIII looks lost and TMac went to China. Need to get new guys, but that's easy.
Still think this is not a playoff team?
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See, no one thought Ray Felton will bounce back. He and Melo are playing great basketball together.
ANd man Jerryd Bayless huh? Really efficient as a back up 1/2.
Tyrus getting a bit of a slow return to prominence but he looks decent there.
JASON SMITH! PER over 20's, while having a sore thumb.
And if when, not if Bogut comes back, this team will be better. WHile he's out, Drummond will cover who's also doing a nice job (PER over 20's as well).
Need to replace the 2 guards and a backup 3. Roy is not doing anything, Rush is out for the season. PJIII looks lost and TMac went to China. Need to get new guys, but that's easy.
Still think this is not a playoff team?
Yes because Bogut is having the injury issues that everybody said he would
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Kyrie vs Jrue Holiday today
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Loving my MKG/Faried/Ibaka frontcourt.
Young, athletic, great rebounding, excellent defense, and some very good scoring to boot.
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Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Horford, LMA, Gay, TA, Lowry
Bench: Collison, Wilcox Aminu, Delfino, Waitors, Brooks, Harris.
Prettay, Prettay, Prettay good.
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Kyrie vs Jrue Holiday today
Lousy game for both of them thus far (although Jrue is starting to wake up). Anderson Varejao is destroying Thad Young, though. ;)
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Kyrie vs Jrue Holiday today
I've been watching the game, Holiday has pretty much taken Irving out of the game. Below 40% shooting, 9 pts, 4 asts, 4 TO's in 32 minutes. I just watched Irving iso on Holiday, Holiday stayed in front of him despite Irving just goin at him with everything he had.
Just sayin, called it.
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Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Horford, LMA, Gay, TA, Lowry
Bench: Collison, Wilcox Aminu, Delfino, Waitors, Brooks, Harris.
Prettay, Prettay, Prettay good.
I still don't know how you guys lost before the Conference Finals. Like I've said before, the Lakers were the only team I was remotely worried about against us.
Aminu and Waitors have both exceeded expectations, and your starters (aside from maybe Tony) are performing very well. Excellent team, and it holds up so far in hindsight.
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Tell me you saw that. Roy!
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By year's end I will be taking everyone's apologies for not voting the Boxers as Team of the Future.
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Jrue Holiday= Kyrie Irving stopper
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Holiday: 14 pts, 9 asts, 2 TO's, 43% from the field
Irving: 9 pts, 4 assists, 5 TO's, 29% from the field #JOUSTSAYING.
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Holy crap is Evan Turner actually a frog with a lisp?
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Jrue Holiday= Kyrie Irving stopper
One game.
Now, let's talk about D. Wade this season.
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Jrue Holiday= Kyrie Irving stopper
One game.
4 games, 3 last season one this year. As in, every game they've ever played against each other.
Now, let's talk about D. Wade this season.
No. No I don't want to do that.
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Jrue Holiday= Kyrie Irving stopper
One game.
Now, let's talk about D. Wade this season.
Last season?
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4 games, 3 last season one this year. As in, every game they've ever played against each other.
This is the 3rd time they've played, and the other two were when Kyrie was dealing with / coming back from injuries, if I recall correctly.
Kudos to Jrue tonight, though. Kyrie sucked.
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The no retired GM of the crotornats simply loves Varejao
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Is there any question that the three best teams, in some order, were the CrotoNats, Chicago, and LA?
Who else has a serious claim at this point?
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Lebron annd Varejao have been playing amazing, also kyrie
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Is there any question that the three best teams, in some order, were the CrotoNats, Chicago, and LA?
Who else has a serious claim at this point?
Indy looks like the cream of that second tier.
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Is there any question that the three best teams, in some order, were the CrotoNats, Chicago, and LA?
Who else has a serious claim at this point?
Indy looks like the cream of that second tier.
Atlanta has something to say about that, Kobe, Timmy, west and George hill are all playing great to start the season
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Is there any question that the three best teams, in some order, were the CrotoNats, Chicago, and LA?
Who else has a serious claim at this point?
No one
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Is there any question that the three best teams, in some order, were the CrotoNats, Chicago, and LA?
Who else has a serious claim at this point?
Indy looks like the cream of that second tier.
Atlanta has something to say about that, Kobe, Timmy, west and George hill are all playing great to start the season
Rondo playing like an MVP, Monroe playing like an absolute beast. Nic Batum averaging 20 ppg and 6 boards.
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Is ol Nic xXBatum88Xx really averaging 20 and 8? Wowzers.
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See, no one thought Ray Felton will bounce back. He and Melo are playing great basketball together.
ANd man Jerryd Bayless huh? Really efficient as a back up 1/2.
Tyrus getting a bit of a slow return to prominence but he looks decent there.
JASON SMITH! PER over 20's, while having a sore thumb.
And if when, not if Bogut comes back, this team will be better. WHile he's out, Drummond will cover who's also doing a nice job (PER over 20's as well).
Need to replace the 2 guards and a backup 3. Roy is not doing anything, Rush is out for the season. PJIII looks lost and TMac went to China. Need to get new guys, but that's easy.
Still think this is not a playoff team?
Yes because Bogut is having the injury issues that everybody said he would
But like I said, he is said to comeback, and not miss the rest of the season. He'll be a significant addition.
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kobe is still kobe
good or bad that is
what a game by him tonight
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George Hill - 13.5 ppg, 4 rpg, 5 apg, 1.1 stl on 41% shooting. Hi shooting is a little lower than I would like but still very solid
Kobe - 26.4 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.4 apg, on 52% shooting. Not much more you can ask out of a guy that that
David West - 14.9 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 1 blk, 1.6 apg, on 43% shooting. West coming back in a big way this season.
Timmy - 17.8 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.5 apg, 2.8 blk on 52% shooting.
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Is there any question that the three best teams, in some order, were the CrotoNats, Chicago, and LA?
Who else has a serious claim at this point?
Indy looks like the cream of that second tier.
Sign that you did something right. Someone else is mentioning your team from the summer. ;D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2epW2KMyPPo&feature=player_embedded
YUUUUP! Eat that Steph Curry!
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Hey IP, we all know your starting unit was a cohesively talented yet diverse unit of premier talent, but how is your bench holding up? They probably suck, right?
Well I'm glad you asked that, bored alter-ego.
Chandler Parsons: 14.2 ppg, 6.3 reb, 3.4 assists, 44% from the field, 40% from 3
Jarret Jack: 9 pts, 4 assists, 3 rebounds, 51% FG, 45.5% 3pt
Vucevic: 11 pts and 9 boards in 30 mins on an improved 46% from the field and 73% from the line
Brendan Haywood: 7 points and 7 boards in 27 minutes of solid defense
Jimmy Butler, Tiago Splitter and Alexey Shved are both playing below what I was hoping for, but that doesn't mean they're necessarily playing poorly. Just not where I expected.
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Chandler Parsons played Carmelo Anthony, it was probably a blood bath, right?
Sure was...for the Knicks! Ka-bam!!! Plus, Paul Pierce y'all!!
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Chandler Parsons played Carmelo Anthony, it was probably a blood bath, right?
Sure was...for the Knicks! Ka-bam!!! Plus, Paul Pierce y'all!!
Rudy Gay: 21, 8 boards, 5 assts
Tony Allen 12 pts 6 boards
Kyle Lowry: 19 pts 5 assts, 6 boards
Al Horford: 26 pts 13 boards, 2 assts
LMA: tbd
Devin Harris: 8 pts, 1 asst
Dion Waitors: 25 pts, 5 assts 3 boards
Aminu: 14 pts 4 assts, 6 boards heading into OT
And we all saw how great Wilcox and Collison are as bench bigs.
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Is there any question that the three best teams, in some order, were the CrotoNats, Chicago, and LA?
Who else has a serious claim at this point?
Cleveland.
Melo playing his bestl. MVP candidate.
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Is there any question that the three best teams, in some order, were the CrotoNats, Chicago, and LA?
Who else has a serious claim at this point?
Cleveland.
Melo playing his bestl. MVP candidate.
Not with brandon Rush out, Brandon Roy near retiring again and TMac in China.
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Tell you what, Splitter looks awful.
But Chandler Parsons, baby? Melo is an MVP candidate? I got 37 reasons he is not!
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Seeing some serious progress in this team since the last update
Starters
Jeremy Lin 10.2 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 6.1 APG, 1.86 SPG, 35%/24%/88%
Michael Kidd Gilchrist 11.8 PPG, 6.8 RPG, 1.5 APG, 1.3 SPG, 0,9 BPG, 47%/100%/76%
Harrison Barnes 10.8 PPG, 4.5 RPG, 1.2 APG, 44%/37%/72%
Kenneth Faried 12.8 PPG, 11.5 RPG, 0.9 APG, 0.9 SPG 0.8 BPG 54%/0%/52%
Serge Ibaka 16.7 PPG, 7.5 RPG, 0.3 SPG, 3.31 BPG 57%/20%/90%
Bench
Austin Rivers 7 PPG, 2 RPG, 2.9 APG, 0.8 SPG, 31%/31%/72%
Jonas Valanciunas 8.6 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 1.2 APG, 0.9 BPG, 50%/0%/77%
Courtney Lee 5.2 PPG, 2 RPG, 1.3 APG, 46%/20%/100%
Rodrique Beaubois 3.9 PPG, 2.1 RPG, 2.3 APG, 0.7 SPG 30%/18%/88%
Ekpe Udoh 5.1 PPG, 3.4 RPG, 0.5 APG, 0.7 SPG, 0.8 BPG 44%/0%/87%
John Henson 7.6 PPG, 5.2 PPG, 0.4 SPG, 1.0 BPG 61%/0%/59%
Montiejunas, Anderson have not played this year.
Shooting is getting better and just about every rookie has had an explosion of a night thus far and Faried and Ibaka are playing at near ALL-Star level of play.
The Boxers might actually not be the worst team in the CB Draft
And I will still be accepting apologies for not winning the TOTF award when these guys are fully developed in April 2013.
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Seeing some serious progress in this team since the last update
Starters
Jeremy Lin 10.2 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 6.1 APG, 1.86 SPG, 35%/24%/88%
Michael Kidd Gilchrist 11.8 PPG, 6.8 RPG, 1.5 APG, 1.3 SPG, 0,9 BPG, 47%/100%/76%
Harrison Barnes 10.8 PPG, 4.5 RPG, 1.2 APG, 44%/37%/72%
Kenneth Faried 12.8 PPG, 11.5 RPG, 0.9 APG, 0.9 SPG 0.8 BPG 54%/0%/52%
Serge Ibaka 16.7 PPG, 7.5 RPG, 0.3 SPG, 3.31 BPG 57%/20%/90%
Bench
Austin Rivers 7 PPG, 2 RPG, 2.9 APG, 0.8 SPG, 31%/31%/72%
Jonas Valanciunas 8.6 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 1.2 APG, 0.9 BPG, 50%/0%/77%
Courtney Lee 5.2 PPG, 2 RPG, 1.3 APG, 46%/20%/100%
Rodrique Beaubois 3.9 PPG, 2.1 RPG, 2.3 APG, 0.7 SPG 30%/18%/88%
Ekpe Udoh 5.1 PPG, 3.4 RPG, 0.5 APG, 0.7 SPG, 0.8 BPG 44%/0%/87%
John Henson 7.6 PPG, 5.2 PPG, 0.4 SPG, 1.0 BPG 61%/0%/59%
Montiejunas, Anderson have not played this year.
Shooting is getting better and just about every rookie has had an explosion of a night thus far and Faried and Ibaka are playing at near ALL-Star level of play.
The Boxers might actually not be the worst team in the CB Draft
And I will still be accepting apologies for not winning the TOTF award when these guys are fully developed in April 2013.
Eh, that's still pretty bad. Lin especially, but at the same time, that's likely tied tightly to being in a new system and James Harden looking awesome. Plus Chandler Parsons.
I'm really surprised Donutz hasn't played yet. Its not like Patrick Patterson or Cole Aldrich looks especially worthwhile. I also expected a little better from Faried (letting go of him was just not something I wanted to do, at all).
MGK looks better and better though. I do think by the time everything is said and done after the all-star break you'll see upticks for Lin and Faried, but MGK and Barnes likely have some struggles coming.
But yes, TOTF was definitely within your grasp.
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Tell you what, Splitter looks awful.
But Chandler Parsons, baby? Melo is an MVP candidate? I got 37 reasons he is not!
Chandler Parson's mamma doesn't love him as much as you do.
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Seeing some serious progress in this team since the last update
Starters
Jeremy Lin 10.2 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 6.1 APG, 1.86 SPG, 35%/24%/88%
Michael Kidd Gilchrist 11.8 PPG, 6.8 RPG, 1.5 APG, 1.3 SPG, 0,9 BPG, 47%/100%/76%
Harrison Barnes 10.8 PPG, 4.5 RPG, 1.2 APG, 44%/37%/72%
Kenneth Faried 12.8 PPG, 11.5 RPG, 0.9 APG, 0.9 SPG 0.8 BPG 54%/0%/52%
Serge Ibaka 16.7 PPG, 7.5 RPG, 0.3 SPG, 3.31 BPG 57%/20%/90%
Bench
Austin Rivers 7 PPG, 2 RPG, 2.9 APG, 0.8 SPG, 31%/31%/72%
Jonas Valanciunas 8.6 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 1.2 APG, 0.9 BPG, 50%/0%/77%
Courtney Lee 5.2 PPG, 2 RPG, 1.3 APG, 46%/20%/100%
Rodrique Beaubois 3.9 PPG, 2.1 RPG, 2.3 APG, 0.7 SPG 30%/18%/88%
Ekpe Udoh 5.1 PPG, 3.4 RPG, 0.5 APG, 0.7 SPG, 0.8 BPG 44%/0%/87%
John Henson 7.6 PPG, 5.2 PPG, 0.4 SPG, 1.0 BPG 61%/0%/59%
Montiejunas, Anderson have not played this year.
Shooting is getting better and just about every rookie has had an explosion of a night thus far and Faried and Ibaka are playing at near ALL-Star level of play.
The Boxers might actually not be the worst team in the CB Draft
And I will still be accepting apologies for not winning the TOTF award when these guys are fully developed in April 2013.
Eh, that's still pretty bad. Lin especially, but at the same time, that's likely tied tightly to being in a new system and James Harden looking awesome. Plus Chandler Parsons.
I'm really surprised Donutz hasn't played yet. Its not like Patrick Patterson or Cole Aldrich looks especially worthwhile. I also expected a little better from Faried (letting go of him was just not something I wanted to do, at all).
MGK looks better and better though. I do think by the time everything is said and done after the all-star break you'll see upticks for Lin and Faried, but MGK and Barnes likely have some struggles coming.
But yes, TOTF was definitely within your grasp.
You were expecting more from Faried than 13ppg, 12 rpg, 1 bpg, 54% shooting and a PER of 20?
What were you expecting? Top 10 player in the league?
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Seeing some serious progress in this team since the last update
Starters
Jeremy Lin 10.2 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 6.1 APG, 1.86 SPG, 35%/24%/88%
Michael Kidd Gilchrist 11.8 PPG, 6.8 RPG, 1.5 APG, 1.3 SPG, 0,9 BPG, 47%/100%/76%
Harrison Barnes 10.8 PPG, 4.5 RPG, 1.2 APG, 44%/37%/72%
Kenneth Faried 12.8 PPG, 11.5 RPG, 0.9 APG, 0.9 SPG 0.8 BPG 54%/0%/52%
Serge Ibaka 16.7 PPG, 7.5 RPG, 0.3 SPG, 3.31 BPG 57%/20%/90%
Bench
Austin Rivers 7 PPG, 2 RPG, 2.9 APG, 0.8 SPG, 31%/31%/72%
Jonas Valanciunas 8.6 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 1.2 APG, 0.9 BPG, 50%/0%/77%
Courtney Lee 5.2 PPG, 2 RPG, 1.3 APG, 46%/20%/100%
Rodrique Beaubois 3.9 PPG, 2.1 RPG, 2.3 APG, 0.7 SPG 30%/18%/88%
Ekpe Udoh 5.1 PPG, 3.4 RPG, 0.5 APG, 0.7 SPG, 0.8 BPG 44%/0%/87%
John Henson 7.6 PPG, 5.2 PPG, 0.4 SPG, 1.0 BPG 61%/0%/59%
Montiejunas, Anderson have not played this year.
Shooting is getting better and just about every rookie has had an explosion of a night thus far and Faried and Ibaka are playing at near ALL-Star level of play.
The Boxers might actually not be the worst team in the CB Draft
And I will still be accepting apologies for not winning the TOTF award when these guys are fully developed in April 2013.
Eh, that's still pretty bad. Lin especially, but at the same time, that's likely tied tightly to being in a new system and James Harden looking awesome. Plus Chandler Parsons.
I'm really surprised Donutz hasn't played yet. Its not like Patrick Patterson or Cole Aldrich looks especially worthwhile. I also expected a little better from Faried (letting go of him was just not something I wanted to do, at all).
MGK looks better and better though. I do think by the time everything is said and done after the all-star break you'll see upticks for Lin and Faried, but MGK and Barnes likely have some struggles coming.
But yes, TOTF was definitely within your grasp.
You were expecting more from Faried than 13ppg, 12 rpg, 1 bpg, 54% shooting and a PER of 20?
What were you expecting? Top 10 player in the league?
Yeah, I was expecting around 18 points, 60% shooting, 1.5 blocks and a steal. I really thought he'd be takng the step forward to legitimate all-star
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Yeah, I was expecting around 18 points, 60% shooting, 1.5 blocks and a steal. I really thought he'd be takng the step forward to legitimate all-star
Wow, high expectations.
For perspective, no player in the history of the NBA has put up that stat line (although Wilt would have if blocks were a stat). If you take out the requirement of a steal, only two guys have: Dwight Howard in 2010, and Artis Gilmore in 1983.
EDIT: I had added the requirement of 12 rebounds, which I guess I made up. If you take out that rebounding requirement, five guys have done it (without the steal): McHale, Kareem, Shaq, Gilmore, and Howard. Only Kareem has put up the exact criteria you listed.
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Well that's some pretty hefty expectations for a second year player, IP.
Honestly, if I get 13/12/1block/55% from Faried and 18/9/3blocks/55% from Ibaka, I got say, that is probably one of the best and definitely the youngest high quality frontcourts in this league.
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Faried should be an all star this year
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Yeah, I was expecting around 18 points, 60% shooting, 1.5 blocks and a steal. I really thought he'd be takng the step forward to legitimate all-star
Wow, high expectations.
For perspective, no player in the history of the NBA has put up that stat line (although Wilt would have if blocks were a stat). If you take out the requirement of a steal, only two guys have: Dwight Howard in 2010, and Artis Gilmore in 1983.
EDIT: I had added the requirement of 12 rebounds, which I guess I made up. If you take out that rebounding requirement, five guys have done it (without the steal): McHale, Kareem, Shaq, Gilmore, and Howard. Only Kareem has put up the exact criteria you listed.
Maybe a little high then. I was pretty bullish on the kid, but if you put it in a historical context, yeah, probably too high.
I always think Faried is better than he is, which is already pretty good. That 60% number is what kills it, huh?
Just think, if the guy doesnt shoot a jumper, with all the put backs and dunks in transition..figured he'd have a pretty healthy FG%
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Kenneth Faried should be Wilt Chamberlin- IP
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Kenneth Faried should be Wilt Chamberlin- IP
Dennis Rodman meets Moses Malone
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hi to all from outside Cs game, youre the close ones so... YEAHHHH we win , still unbeatableon Cs game attendance
Saludos all
p.s. its tough to be the only Cs fan in that area...lol
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hi to all from outside Cs game, youre the close ones so... YEAHHHH we win , still unbeatableon Cs game attendance
Saludos all
p.s. its tough to be the only Cs fan in that area...lol
Dude you were in Orlando? I was rolling through Orlando dropping my son off at the airport during the game.
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I think its officially fair to say that My team now has a "Big 4" with the way that Georg Hill is playing.
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I think its officially fair to say that My team now has a "Big 4" with the way that Georg Hill is playing.
I dont think so but who is in your "big 4"
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I think its officially fair to say that My team now has a "Big 4" with the way that Georg Hill is playing.
I dont think so but who is in your "big 4"
George Hill
Kobe
David West
Duncan
All 4 are having fantastic seasons
And Pop is following my plan on resting duncan :D
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http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/52245/jrue-holiday-emerging-as-elite-point-guard
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I was wondering where are the guys who are hating on the Felton trade and thought he won't have a bounce back year?
Are you guys still there???
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I was wondering where are the guys who are hating on the Felton trade and thought he won't have a bounce back year?
Are you guys still there???
I still think he sucks and is overrated.
I'm not sure how much longer I can keep it up though.
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I was wondering where are the guys who are hating on the Felton trade and thought he won't have a bounce back year?
Are you guys still there???
Let's be fair Yoki. You made about 10,781 trades. One of them was bound to have people hating on it and yet have it work out for you. ;) ;D
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I was wondering where are the guys who are hating on the Felton trade and thought he won't have a bounce back year?
Are you guys still there???
Until Felton shows up in the playoffs, I think he is a choke artist.
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I was wondering where are the guys who are hating on the Felton trade and thought he won't have a bounce back year?
Are you guys still there???
No matter how he plays I will still hate on a fat point guard. It's not fair but its how it is
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I was wondering where are the guys who are hating on the Felton trade and thought he won't have a bounce back year?
Are you guys still there???
Let's be fair Yoki. You made about 10,781 trades. One of them was bound to have people hating on it and yet have it work out for you. ;) ;D
I actually phrased that wrong. It's not the trade, it's the guys who said he won't have a bounce back season I'm looking for.
And some of them showed up, still in denial of the fact that he's playing great.
I'll admit though, all you guys were right on Bogut.
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I was wondering where are the guys who are hating on the Felton trade and thought he won't have a bounce back year?
Are you guys still there???
Let's be fair Yoki. You made about 10,781 trades. One of them was bound to have people hating on it and yet have it work out for you. ;) ;D
I actually phrased that wrong. It's not the trade, it's the guys who said he won't have a bounce back season I'm looking for.
And some of them showed up, still in denial of the fact that he's playing great.
I'll admit though, all you guys were right on Bogut.
He is playing great yoki, but lets be fair, the signs were not pointing n this direction. Him and J-Rich are both having surprise bounce back seasons
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Al Horford/LaMarcus/Rudy Gay/ Tony Allen/ Kyle Lowry
Collison/Wilcox/ Amino/ Delfino/Waitors/ Harris
We're awesome.
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Al Horford/LaMarcus/Rudy Gay/ Tony Allen/ Kyle Lowry
Collison/Wilcox/ Amino/ Delfino/Waitors/ Harris
We're awesome.
Which ne of your big men did you pay peanuts for? LMA or al?
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http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/52245/jrue-holiday-emerging-as-elite-point-guard
You do realize that if our trade wasn't vetoed you would have to be singing the praises of Jeremy Lin right now?
What was that trade again? Jrue Holiday, Nikola Vucevic and Tiago Splitter for Jeremy Lin and Marcin Gortat
[dang] I wish that trade had gone through.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/52245/jrue-holiday-emerging-as-elite-point-guard
You do realize that if our trade wasn't vetoed you would have to be singing the praises of Jeremy Lin right now?
What was that trade again? Jrue Holiday, Nikola Vucevic and Tiago Splitter for Jeremy Lin and Marcin Gortat
[dang] I wish that trade had gone through.
I'm okay with how that turned out. Heck even Vucevic looks pretty good this season. Rotation worthy, at least.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/52245/jrue-holiday-emerging-as-elite-point-guard
You do realize that if our trade wasn't vetoed you would have to be singing the praises of Jeremy Lin right now?
What was that trade again? Jrue Holiday, Nikola Vucevic and Tiago Splitter for Jeremy Lin and Marcin Gortat
[dang] I wish that trade had gone through.
I'm okay with how that turned out. Heck even Vucevic looks pretty good this season. Rotation worthy, at least.
Yeah, I bet you are.
That's okay though because I turned Gortat into Ibaka which I think is a major plus. Ibaka might be the leading candidate for Defensive Player of the Year.
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Al Horford/LaMarcus/Rudy Gay/ Tony Allen/ Kyle Lowry
Collison/Wilcox/ Amino/ Delfino/Waitors/ Harris
We're awesome.
We actually paid fair value for LMA when you consider the guy drafted Millsap.
Which ne of your big men did you pay peanuts for? LMA or al?
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Stephh Curry playing great now if only Gortat and Gasol would get more consistent minuttes
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Who's the player that drafted Mayo ;D?
OJ is juicing up the league right now - in a starting role featured to his strengths.
Like I knew he would.
FG% of over 47..shooting a BLISTERING 510 from deep..averaging over 19 pts, 3.6 rebs, 3.5 assists.
Once Dirk gets back, DAL will make some noise.
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Who's the player that drafted Mayo ;D?
OJ is juicing up the league right now - in a starting role featured to his strengths.
Like I knew he would.
FG% of over 47..shooting a BLISTERING 510 from deep..averaging over 19 pts, 3.6 rebs, 3.5 assists.
Once Dirk gets back, DAL will make some noise.
Oj production will come down once dirk is back
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Who's the player that drafted Mayo ;D?
OJ is juicing up the league right now - in a starting role featured to his strengths.
Like I knew he would.
FG% of over 47..shooting a BLISTERING 510 from deep..averaging over 19 pts, 3.6 rebs, 3.5 assists.
Once Dirk gets back, DAL will make some noise.
Oj production will come down once dirk is back
I truly doubt that that happens. He's earning the trust of the coach, the owner and his teammates.
Just look at his stats for yourself.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mayooj01.html
Simply his best season so far.
OJ Mayo will now be a featured scorer on that team. Who else fills that role besides Dirk?
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With Irving going down for a month or so, who plays PG for the CrotoNats?
Options are Aaron Brooks, Ben Gordon, or Lebron James. No matter what, Lebron probably (definitely) does the bulk of the ball-handling.
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Who's the player that drafted Mayo ;D?
OJ is juicing up the league right now - in a starting role featured to his strengths.
Like I knew he would.
FG% of over 47..shooting a BLISTERING 510 from deep..averaging over 19 pts, 3.6 rebs, 3.5 assists.
Once Dirk gets back, DAL will make some noise.
Good eye big guy
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With Irving going down for a month or so, who plays PG for the CrotoNats?
Options are Aaron Brooks, Ben Gordon, or Lebron James. No matter what, Lebron probably (definitely) does the bulk of the ball-handling.
Without remembering the rest of your team, I'd say Gordon.
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Who's the player that drafted Mayo ;D?
OJ is juicing up the league right now - in a starting role featured to his strengths.
Like I knew he would.
FG% of over 47..shooting a BLISTERING 510 from deep..averaging over 19 pts, 3.6 rebs, 3.5 assists.
Once Dirk gets back, DAL will make some noise.
Really wish we got mayo
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With Irving going down for a month or so, who plays PG for the CrotoNats?
Options are Aaron Brooks, Ben Gordon, or Lebron James. No matter what, Lebron probably (definitely) does the bulk of the ball-handling.
With Irving down and only Lebron and Varejao having good years I think it safe to say the 2011 Lebron led Kings are still the best team ever assembled in the modern era of the CB Draft(those first couple year don't count, not as many good managers or a snake or a modified snake).
Am I right Rondo or am I right?
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With Irving going down for a month or so, who plays PG for the CrotoNats?
Options are Aaron Brooks, Ben Gordon, or Lebron James. No matter what, Lebron probably (definitely) does the bulk of the ball-handling.
With Irving down and only Lebron and Varejao having good years I think it safe to say the 2011 Lebron led Kings are still the best team ever assembled in the modern era of the CB Draft(those first couple year don't count, not as many good managers or a snake or a modified snake).
Am I right Rondo or am I right?
Irving is having a fantastic year, he's just got a minor injury.
Ben Gordon is averaging 15 points per game (21.5 points per 36 minutes), and is shooting 49% from deep. Robin Lopez is having a very good year. Thabo is playing great D and has a .626 eFG%. Jeff Green has looked good lately. Mike Dunleavy has been very good.
If you think Lebron and Varejao are the only CrotoNats having a good year, you haven't been paying attention.
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With Irving going down for a month or so, who plays PG for the CrotoNats?
Options are Aaron Brooks, Ben Gordon, or Lebron James. No matter what, Lebron probably (definitely) does the bulk of the ball-handling.
With Irving down and only Lebron and Varejao having good years I think it safe to say the 2011 Lebron led Kings are still the best team ever assembled in the modern era of the CB Draft(those first couple year don't count, not as many good managers or a snake or a modified snake).
Am I right Rondo or am I right?
Irving is having a fantastic year, he's just got a minor injury.
Ben Gordon is averaging 15 points per game (21.5 points per 36 minutes), and is shooting 49% from deep. Robin Lopez is having a very good year. Thabo is playing great D and has a .626 eFG%. Jeff Green has looked good lately. Mike Dunleavy has been very good.
If you think Lebron and Varejao are the only CrotoNats having a good year, you haven't been paying attention.
Oh I have been paying attention...just wanted to get a rise out of you....hehehe ;) :D ;D
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Who was on the 2011 Kings? They sound like a team that could be easily beaten by a Kyle Lowry/James Harden backcourt and a staunch, tough, totes healthy Bogut/Stoudemire frontcourt.
In all honesty, if injuries didn't matter and this game was a video game, I still like that team better in theory.
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Knowing what I ended up with (Holiday and Young) I'm still not sure if trading Curry was the right move. I think it was, but...
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Knowing what I ended up with (Holiday and Young) I'm still not sure if trading Curry was the right move. I think it was, but...
Nope. I understand trading him but you should've hung on to him.
Curry is playing at an MVP level (yep I said it). Juror is coming on his own but, man, Steph is on a whole different level right now. His last 5 games, he's lava hot. Shooting 46% from the floor, a whopping 57% from threes. An he's doing it defensively as well.
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Knowing what I ended up with (Holiday and Young) I'm still not sure if trading Curry was the right move. I think it was, but...
Nope. I understand trading him but you should've hung on to him.
Curry is playing at an MVP level (yep I said it). Juror is coming on his own but, man, Steph is on a whole different level right now. His last 5 games, he's lava hot. Shooting 46% from the floor, a whopping 57% from threes. An he's doing it defensively as well.
Ha, MVP level? Yoki me thinks that be hyperbole. He's hot right now, but he's gonna get cold, and his passing is just all over the place.
But if he can keep his 3pt% above 40% and stay healthy, there is a good chance I made a small error there. Thad young and Jrue are playing well though.
Who had Evan Turner?
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Knowing what I ended up with (Holiday and Young) I'm still not sure if trading Curry was the right move. I think it was, but...
If the goal was to win the CB Draft, trading Curry was the right move.
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Who was on the 2011 Kings? They sound like a team that could be easily beaten by a Kyle Lowry/James Harden backcourt and a staunch, tough, totes healthy Bogut/Stoudemire frontcourt.
In all honesty, if injuries didn't matter and this game was a video game, I still like that team better in theory.
Yeah in theory Derrick Williams should be able to guard Lebron James of 2011-2012. But then again in theory, being six foot tall I should be able to dunk, even at 47 years old. In theory.
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Knowing what I ended up with (Holiday and Young) I'm still not sure if trading Curry was the right move. I think it was, but...
If the goal was to win the CB Draft, trading Curry was the right move.
I think that's pretty spot on. He needs a healthy season before people will believe in him.
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Who was on the 2011 Kings? They sound like a team that could be easily beaten by a Kyle Lowry/James Harden backcourt and a staunch, tough, totes healthy Bogut/Stoudemire frontcourt.
In all honesty, if injuries didn't matter and this game was a video game, I still like that team better in theory.
Yeah in theory Derrick Williams should be able to guard Lebron James of 2011-2012. But then again in theory, being six foot tall I should be able to dunk, even at 47 years old. In theory.
Ha, we'll DW being able to guard Lebron wasn't the biggest part of my defense. It was more centered around Amare still being the amare he looked like during his first half season with the Knicks.
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Who was on the 2011 Kings? They sound like a team that could be easily beaten by a Kyle Lowry/James Harden backcourt and a staunch, tough, totes healthy Bogut/Stoudemire frontcourt.
In all honesty, if injuries didn't matter and this game was a video game, I still like that team better in theory.
Yeah in theory Derrick Williams should be able to guard Lebron James of 2011-2012. But then again in theory, being six foot tall I should be able to dunk, even at 47 years old. In theory.
Ha, we'll DW being able to guard Lebron wasn't the biggest part of my defense. It was more centered around Amare still being the amare he looked like during his first half season with the Knicks.
There was also something in there about Bogut being some great center....something like that. And....I guess he is but then again so is Greg Oden. ;)
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Who was on the 2011 Kings? They sound like a team that could be easily beaten by a Kyle Lowry/James Harden backcourt and a staunch, tough, totes healthy Bogut/Stoudemire frontcourt.
In all honesty, if injuries didn't matter and this game was a video game, I still like that team better in theory.
Yeah in theory Derrick Williams should be able to guard Lebron James of 2011-2012. But then again in theory, being six foot tall I should be able to dunk, even at 47 years old. In theory.
Ha, we'll DW being able to guard Lebron wasn't the biggest part of my defense. It was more centered around Amare still being the amare he looked like during his first half season with the Knicks.
There was also something in there about Bogut being some great center....something like that. And....I guess he is but then again so is Greg Oden. ;)
For 2/3 of a beautiful season Bogut looked like the uncontested 2nd best center in the league, with a pretty convincing case for DPOY. Whenever I see Andrew Bogut, I plan to say, 'We'll always have 2010, big guy.'
Have you followed Bogut this season? His play has been underwhelming (not bad, just rusty) and he went down. But he's one tough sonofabiscuit. I love his quotes.
Speaking of tough guys, Nik Pekovic, I love that guy.
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Knowing what I ended up with (Holiday and Young) I'm still not sure if trading Curry was the right move. I think it was, but...
If the goal was to win the CB Draft, trading Curry was the right move.
Yeah.
Because GM's are pessimistic. They wouldn't give even a tiny bit of positive on situations like Curry. Can't blame me though. Injuries and bad seasons are 50/50 in this setup. It really depends on how you defend it. But I think having Curry over Jrue has no setbacks whatsoever.
Felon and Anthony!
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Who was on the 2011 Kings? They sound like a team that could be easily beaten by a Kyle Lowry/James Harden backcourt and a staunch, tough, totes healthy Bogut/Stoudemire frontcourt.
In all honesty, if injuries didn't matter and this game was a video game, I still like that team better in theory.
When you say 2011 kings do you mean the best team in Modern CB Draft History? MVP, Finals MVP and DPOY on the same team. Not to mention a player with a strong case for MIP (millsap) That team was unstoppable. My only regret was not building the team around Lebron as full time point guard.
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Curry shot at the beginniing wass rustyy but now the guy is playing great, if he keeps it up he will be an all star and will be drafted in the first round next year
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Who was on the 2011 Kings? They sound like a team that could be easily beaten by a Kyle Lowry/James Harden backcourt and a staunch, tough, totes healthy Bogut/Stoudemire frontcourt.
In all honesty, if injuries didn't matter and this game was a video game, I still like that team better in theory.
Yeah in theory Derrick Williams should be able to guard Lebron James of 2011-2012. But then again in theory, being six foot tall I should be able to dunk, even at 47 years old. In theory.
Ha, we'll DW being able to guard Lebron wasn't the biggest part of my defense. It was more centered around Amare still being the amare he looked like during his first half season with the Knicks.
There was also something in there about Bogut being some great center....something like that. And....I guess he is but then again so is Greg Oden. ;)
For 2/3 of a beautiful season Bogut looked like the uncontested 2nd best center in the league, with a pretty convincing case for DPOY. Whenever I see Andrew Bogut, I plan to say, 'We'll always have 2010, big guy.'
Have you followed Bogut this season? His play has been underwhelming (not bad, just rusty) and he went down. But he's one tough sonofabiscuit. I love his quotes.
Speaking of tough guys, Nik Pekovic, I love that guy.
I love Pekovic.
True story, I picked him in the 2009 or 2010 Pick 2 Draft(can't remember which) when just about no one had ever heard of him. In retrospect, perhaps my best draft pick in any draft on this blog.
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Who was on the 2011 Kings? They sound like a team that could be easily beaten by a Kyle Lowry/James Harden backcourt and a staunch, tough, totes healthy Bogut/Stoudemire frontcourt.
In all honesty, if injuries didn't matter and this game was a video game, I still like that team better in theory.
Yeah in theory Derrick Williams should be able to guard Lebron James of 2011-2012. But then again in theory, being six foot tall I should be able to dunk, even at 47 years old. In theory.
Ha, we'll DW being able to guard Lebron wasn't the biggest part of my defense. It was more centered around Amare still being the amare he looked like during his first half season with the Knicks.
There was also something in there about Bogut being some great center....something like that. And....I guess he is but then again so is Greg Oden. ;)
For 2/3 of a beautiful season Bogut looked like the uncontested 2nd best center in the league, with a pretty convincing case for DPOY. Whenever I see Andrew Bogut, I plan to say, 'We'll always have 2010, big guy.'
Have you followed Bogut this season? His play has been underwhelming (not bad, just rusty) and he went down. But he's one tough sonofabiscuit. I love his quotes.
Speaking of tough guys, Nik Pekovic, I love that guy.
I love Pekovic.
True story, I picked him in the 2009 or 2010 Pick 2 Draft(can't remember which) when just about no one had ever heard of him. In retrospect, perhaps my best draft pick in any draft on this blog.
Since I'm totally one to brag, I had Pekovic on both my 2008 squad (the Amare/Horford/Gay/Iggy team) and the 2009 World Champion Portland CrotoNats.
My overseas stash on that 2008 was impressive: Pekovic, Asik, Erden, Arroyo
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My overseas stash on that 2008 was impressive: Pekovic, Asik, Erden, Arroyo
Ya think?
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My overseas stash on that 2008 was impressive: Pekovic, Asik, Erden, Arroyo
Ya think?
Too crowded, not enugh playing time behind A'Mare, will lead to serious chemistry issues!
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My overseas stash on that 2008 was impressive: Pekovic, Asik, Erden, Arroyo
Ya think?
Too crowded, not enugh playing time behind A'Mare, will lead to serious chemistry issues!
Sho'nuff.
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My overseas stash on that 2008 was impressive: Pekovic, Asik, Erden, Arroyo
Ya think?
Too crowded, not enugh playing time behind A'Mare, will lead to serious chemistry issues!
Sho'nuff.
You know who would be really good bench bigs? Nick Collison and Chris Wilcox, especially if they were behind LaMarcus Aldridge and Al Horford.
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My overseas stash on that 2008 was impressive: Pekovic, Asik, Erden, Arroyo
Ya think?
Too crowded, not enugh playing time behind A'Mare, will lead to serious chemistry issues!
Sho'nuff.
You know who would be really good bench bigs? Nick Collison and Chris Wilcox, especially if they were behind LaMarcus Aldridge and Al Horford.
Well they're no Tiago Splitter, Chandler Parsons, and Brendan Haywood..and Nic Vucevic.
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My overseas stash on that 2008 was impressive: Pekovic, Asik, Erden, Arroyo
Ya think?
Too crowded, not enugh playing time behind A'Mare, will lead to serious chemistry issues!
Sho'nuff.
You know who would be really good bench bigs? Nick Collison and Chris Wilcox, especially if they were behind LaMarcus Aldridge and Al Horford.
Well they're no Tiago Splitter, Chandler Parsons, and Brendan Haywood..and Nic Vucevic.
Aside from Splitter, I like all my guys as back up bigs better. Even the Rockets have the sense to play Parsons at the 3. :P
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My overseas stash on that 2008 was impressive: Pekovic, Asik, Erden, Arroyo
Ya think?
Too crowded, not enugh playing time behind A'Mare, will lead to serious chemistry issues!
Sho'nuff.
You know who would be really good bench bigs? Nick Collison and Chris Wilcox, especially if they were behind LaMarcus Aldridge and Al Horford.
Well they're no Tiago Splitter, Chandler Parsons, and Brendan Haywood..and Nic Vucevic.
Aside from Splitter, I like all my guys as back up bigs better. Even the Rockets have the sense to play Parsons at the 3. :P
Nope, all my guys R better than all your guys.
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My overseas stash on that 2008 was impressive: Pekovic, Asik, Erden, Arroyo
Ya think?
Too crowded, not enugh playing time behind A'Mare, will lead to serious chemistry issues!
Sho'nuff.
You know who would be really good bench bigs? Nick Collison and Chris Wilcox, especially if they were behind LaMarcus Aldridge and Al Horford.
Well they're no Tiago Splitter, Chandler Parsons, and Brendan Haywood..and Nic Vucevic.
Aside from Splitter, I like all my guys as back up bigs better. Even the Rockets have the sense to play Parsons at the 3. :P
Nope, all my guys R better than all your guys.
NUH UH!
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My overseas stash on that 2008 was impressive: Pekovic, Asik, Erden, Arroyo
Ya think?
Too crowded, not enugh playing time behind A'Mare, will lead to serious chemistry issues!
Sho'nuff.
You know who would be really good bench bigs? Nick Collison and Chris Wilcox, especially if they were behind LaMarcus Aldridge and Al Horford.
Well they're no Tiago Splitter, Chandler Parsons, and Brendan Haywood..and Nic Vucevic.
Aside from Splitter, I like all my guys as back up bigs better. Even the Rockets have the sense to play Parsons at the 3. :P
Nope, all my guys R better than all your guys.
NUH UH!
Sorry, I should clarify: I said Brendan Haywood, Nikola Vucevic, Tiago Splitter, and a smattering of Chandler Parsons at the 4.
I understand the confusion.
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My overseas stash on that 2008 was impressive: Pekovic, Asik, Erden, Arroyo
Ya think?
Too crowded, not enugh playing time behind A'Mare, will lead to serious chemistry issues!
Sho'nuff.
You know who would be really good bench bigs? Nick Collison and Chris Wilcox, especially if they were behind LaMarcus Aldridge and Al Horford.
Well they're no Tiago Splitter, Chandler Parsons, and Brendan Haywood..and Nic Vucevic.
Aside from Splitter, I like all my guys as back up bigs better. Even the Rockets have the sense to play Parsons at the 3. :P
Nope, all my guys R better than all your guys.
NUH UH!
Sorry, I should clarify: I said Brendan Haywood, Nikola Vucevic, Tiago Splitter, and a smattering of Chandler Parsons at the 4.
I understand the confusion.
I literally had to check to see if haywood was in the league still.
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My overseas stash on that 2008 was impressive: Pekovic, Asik, Erden, Arroyo
Ya think?
Too crowded, not enugh playing time behind A'Mare, will lead to serious chemistry issues!
Sho'nuff.
You know who would be really good bench bigs? Nick Collison and Chris Wilcox, especially if they were behind LaMarcus Aldridge and Al Horford.
Well they're no Tiago Splitter, Chandler Parsons, and Brendan Haywood..and Nic Vucevic.
Aside from Splitter, I like all my guys as back up bigs better. Even the Rockets have the sense to play Parsons at the 3. :P
Nope, all my guys R better than all your guys.
NUH UH!
Sorry, I should clarify: I said Brendan Haywood, Nikola Vucevic, Tiago Splitter, and a smattering of Chandler Parsons at the 4.
I understand the confusion.
I literally had to check to see if haywood was in the league still.
You assumed his over achieving defensive acumen allowed him to ascend to a state of further enlightenment and had left all us unworthy mortals behind?
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My overseas stash on that 2008 was impressive: Pekovic, Asik, Erden, Arroyo
Ya think?
Too crowded, not enugh playing time behind A'Mare, will lead to serious chemistry issues!
Sho'nuff.
You know who would be really good bench bigs? Nick Collison and Chris Wilcox, especially if they were behind LaMarcus Aldridge and Al Horford.
Well they're no Tiago Splitter, Chandler Parsons, and Brendan Haywood..and Nic Vucevic.
Aside from Splitter, I like all my guys as back up bigs better. Even the Rockets have the sense to play Parsons at the 3. :P
Nope, all my guys R better than all your guys.
NUH UH!
Sorry, I should clarify: I said Brendan Haywood, Nikola Vucevic, Tiago Splitter, and a smattering of Chandler Parsons at the 4.
I understand the confusion.
I literally had to check to see if haywood was in the league still.
You assumed his over achieving defensive acumen allowed him to ascend to a state of further enlightenment and had left all us unworthy mortals behind?
I assumed, broked down never-wases had a shorter shelf life.
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My overseas stash on that 2008 was impressive: Pekovic, Asik, Erden, Arroyo
Ya think?
Too crowded, not enugh playing time behind A'Mare, will lead to serious chemistry issues!
Sho'nuff.
You know who would be really good bench bigs? Nick Collison and Chris Wilcox, especially if they were behind LaMarcus Aldridge and Al Horford.
Well they're no Tiago Splitter, Chandler Parsons, and Brendan Haywood..and Nic Vucevic.
Aside from Splitter, I like all my guys as back up bigs better. Even the Rockets have the sense to play Parsons at the 3. :P
Nope, all my guys R better than all your guys.
NUH UH!
Sorry, I should clarify: I said Brendan Haywood, Nikola Vucevic, Tiago Splitter, and a smattering of Chandler Parsons at the 4.
I understand the confusion.
I literally had to check to see if haywood was in the league still.
You assumed his over achieving defensive acumen allowed him to ascend to a state of further enlightenment and had left all us unworthy mortals behind?
I assumed, broked down never-wases had a shorter shelf life.
Well then somebody call the coroner, BECAUSE NICK COLLISON AND KWAME BROWN NEED A SPOT, DAWG!
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My overseas stash on that 2008 was impressive: Pekovic, Asik, Erden, Arroyo
Ya think?
Too crowded, not enugh playing time behind A'Mare, will lead to serious chemistry issues!
Sho'nuff.
You know who would be really good bench bigs? Nick Collison and Chris Wilcox, especially if they were behind LaMarcus Aldridge and Al Horford.
Well they're no Tiago Splitter, Chandler Parsons, and Brendan Haywood..and Nic Vucevic.
Aside from Splitter, I like all my guys as back up bigs better. Even the Rockets have the sense to play Parsons at the 3. :P
Nope, all my guys R better than all your guys.
NUH UH!
Sorry, I should clarify: I said Brendan Haywood, Nikola Vucevic, Tiago Splitter, and a smattering of Chandler Parsons at the 4.
I understand the confusion.
I literally had to check to see if haywood was in the league still.
You assumed his over achieving defensive acumen allowed him to ascend to a state of further enlightenment and had left all us unworthy mortals behind?
I assumed, broked down never-wases had a shorter shelf life.
Well then somebody call the coroner, BECAUSE NICK COLLISON AND KWAME BROWN NEED A SPOT, DAWG!
Why are calling a coroner? Is it because Nick Collison is straight killin' fools?
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Now that jeff Green turned the corner
TY TY TY
;D
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Now that jeff Green turned the corner
TY TY TY
;D
Yeah...that is turning into a solid pick for you all, especially next to LeBron and Varejao.
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Can someone PLEASE pass the Mayo?!
40 points, on 15-26 shooting...6-9 from deep..8 rebs...3 assists...2 stls, in 42 min.
Him and Conley (my backcourt) could be one of the best of this draft. ;D
Boozer's been solid, right at 14 and 10...almost 17 PER.
KG's been KG...Zaza Pachulia and Mareese Speights have played well - especially Zaza. He's averaging well over 7 rebs - off the bench.
My rooks have played well - Andrew Nicholson and Meyers Leonard have both contributed and shown flashes of being productive NBA players one day. Leonard is averaging 1 block off the bench alone.
Gary Neal and Nate Robinson are playing well.
My wings (Trevor Ariza, Chris Singleton and Kyle Korver) have been a bit sporadic. Bu they haven't been TOO bad overall. Trevor and Kyle are both out, which means that either Neal or Singleton would have to play the 3.
I have channeled my Inner Ainge ;D. I have a tough defensive squad, with enough scoring coming from my starters (O.J., Booz, Conley, KG), tough perimeter and interior D, youth and a good bench.
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Paul George is Elite, Damian Lillard is elite, just like I said they would be!
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Paul George is Elite, Damian Lillard is elite, just like I said they would be!
"Elite" is probably stretching it for George, but he's played well.
Lillard is in an elite class for a rookie.
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Paul George is Elite, Damian Lillard is elite, just like I said they would be!
"Elite" is probably stretching it for George, but he's played well.
Lillard is in an elite class for a rookie.
I think his defense is top 5 at his position as is his rebounding.
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My team keeps looking better.
Backcourt: Nice mix of defense and offense
Rondo Hinrich
Bradley Beal
Frontcourt -
Batum Pietrus
Scola Seraphin
Monroe Kanter
Biggest miss, Bell.
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My team keeps looking better.
Backcourt: Nice mix of defense and offense
Rondo Hinrich
Bradley Beal
Frontcourt -
Batum Pietrus
Scola Seraphin
Monroe Kanter
Biggest miss, Bell.
Very nice sir, very nice.
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Kyle Lowry sucks this year. Who drafted him?
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My Big 4
George Hill - 14.9 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 4.9 apg
Kobe Bryant - 29.8 ppg, 5 rpg, 4.8 apg
David West - 16.6 ppg, 8 rpg, 2.7 apg
Tim Duncan - 17.1 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.7 apg, 2.7 blk
Nasty
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My team keeps looking better.
Backcourt: Nice mix of defense and offense
Rondo Hinrich
Bradley Beal
Frontcourt -
Batum Pietrus
Scola Seraphin
Monroe Kanter
Biggest miss, Bell.
Not even thinking. Landry would be the backup PF.
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My Big 4
George Hill - 14.9 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 4.9 apg
Kobe Bryant - 29.8 ppg, 5 rpg, 4.8 apg
David West - 16.6 ppg, 8 rpg, 2.7 apg
Tim Duncan - 17.1 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.7 apg, 2.7 blk
Nasty
Well, as we've seen twice now in his career, Kobe doesn't always mesh well with other superstars. If you can't win with Shaq/Malone/Payton or Howard/Gasol/Nash, it suggests that you've got some flaws in your game.
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Hey IP, how's that whole bigs rotation of yours coming along? We know that Chris Bosh is arguably the best center in the NBA right now, but how about the other rag-tag bunch of bigs you drafted? Hows that whole thing working out?
Well, I'm glad you asked that, thought in my head. To start the season, pretty much the only guys playing to where I thought they would/should be playing were Chris Bosh, Thad Young, and Brendan Haywood. But now, my entire bigs rotation has come alive! Tiago Splitter has assumed the starting duties for the San Antonio Spurs full-time with G-Pop's endorsement, and Nikola Vucevic is AVERAGING A DOUBLE-DOUBLE (tied for 6th in the league for total double-doubles with Al Jefferson and Al Horford).
So you know, nobigdeal.
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My Big 4
George Hill - 14.9 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 4.9 apg
Kobe Bryant - 29.8 ppg, 5 rpg, 4.8 apg
David West - 16.6 ppg, 8 rpg, 2.7 apg
Tim Duncan - 17.1 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.7 apg, 2.7 blk
Nasty
Well, as we've seen twice now in his career, Kobe doesn't always mesh well with other superstars. If you can't win with Shaq/Malone/Payton or Howard/Gasol/Nash, it suggests that you've got some flaws in your game.
Sure sure, though I have the coach the lakers should have hired this year. And at that point in his career wasnt Malone a shell of himself?
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My Big 4
George Hill - 14.9 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 4.9 apg
Kobe Bryant - 29.8 ppg, 5 rpg, 4.8 apg
David West - 16.6 ppg, 8 rpg, 2.7 apg
Tim Duncan - 17.1 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.7 apg, 2.7 blk
Nasty
Well, as we've seen twice now in his career, Kobe doesn't always mesh well with other superstars. If you can't win with Shaq/Malone/Payton or Howard/Gasol/Nash, it suggests that you've got some flaws in your game.
Sure sure, though I have the coach the lakers should have hired this year. And at that point in his career wasnt Malone a shell of himself?
No. Payton was though. Karl Malone was still an All-Star caliber player in LA.
Karl Malone was the guy who made everything work. The guy who played hard nosed interior defense and brought all the stars together with his tremendous passing inside the Triangle. He did a great job on the boards. Nailed jump-shots. Spread the floor for Shaq's post game and Kobe's driving game. He made everyone around him better. A nightly 15/10 threat.
The Lakers missed his strong play in a major way in the Finals when he got injured and wasn't able to play at the same high level he had been playing at throughout the season.
The Lakers were downright dominant with Karl Malone in the lineup (33 wins, 9 losses) but were fairly mediocre without him (23 wins, 17 losses). Karl Malone was the glue that kept LA together that year.
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My Big 4
George Hill - 14.9 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 4.9 apg
Kobe Bryant - 29.8 ppg, 5 rpg, 4.8 apg
David West - 16.6 ppg, 8 rpg, 2.7 apg
Tim Duncan - 17.1 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.7 apg, 2.7 blk
Nasty
Well, as we've seen twice now in his career, Kobe doesn't always mesh well with other superstars. If you can't win with Shaq/Malone/Payton or Howard/Gasol/Nash, it suggests that you've got some flaws in your game.
Sure sure, though I have the coach the lakers should have hired this year. And at that point in his career wasnt Malone a shell of himself?
No. Payton was though. Karl Malone was still an All-Star caliber player in LA.
Karl Malone was the guy who made everything work. The guy who played hard nosed interior defense and brought all the stars together with his tremendous passing inside the Triangle. He did a great job on the boards. Nailed jump-shots. Spread the floor for Shaq's post game and Kobe's driving game. He made everyone around him better. A nightly 15/10 threat.
The Lakers missed his strong play in a major way in the Finals when he got injured and wasn't able to play at the same high level he had been playing at throughout the season.
The Lakers were downright dominant with Karl Malone in the lineup (33 wins, 9 losses) but were fairly mediocre without him (23 wins, 17 losses). Karl Malone was the glue that kept LA together that year.
Gotcha, I knew that one of them was, I guess I thought it was malone because of all the games that he missed but then I checked his averages and stats.
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I always knew that the Boxers, being so young would be a work in progress and better at the end of the year than the beginning. So let's take a look at their January numbers:
Jeremy Lin: 12 ppg, 5.7 apg, 4.4 rpg. 3.0 spg, 38/39/67 %s
Harrison Barnes: 13 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 1.8 apg, 1.0 spg 55/67/72 %s
Michael Kidd Gilchrist: 9.9 ppg, 7.7 rpg, 1.9 apg, 40/0/85 5s
Kenneth Faried: 12.6 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 1.0 apg, 1.0 spg, 57/NA/78 %s
Serge Ibaka: 14.3 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 2.0 bpg, 57/40/62 %s
John Henson: 11.3 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 1.0 apg, 1.3 bpg, 55/0/59 %s
Courtney Lee: 8.1 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 1.6 apg, 1.3 spg, 59/45/75 %s
Ekpe Udoh: 3.4 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.7 apg, 1.1 bpg, 37/NA/91 %s
Rodrique Beaubois: 3.6 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 2.1 apg, 33/30/67 %s
Donatas Montiejunas: getting no playing time...doing nothing
Jonas Valanciunas: injured...doing nothing
Austin Rivers: getting playing time...doing worse than nothing
Chris Anderson: out of league...still helping team more than Austin Rivers
Still a bad team but probably surprisingly tough on defense and the boards with a lot of energy. Possibly as high as 4-5 future All Stars. I'm happy.
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Jeremy Lin: 12 ppg, 5.7 apg, 4.4 rpg. 3.0 spg, 38/39/67 %s
Jeremy Lin has been doing much better over the last 15 or so games after a rough start to the season. He has improved his scoring efficiency a good amount. It looks like he is figuring out how to play with James Harden.
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I always knew that the Boxers, being so young would be a work in progress and better at the end of the year than the beginning. So let's take a look at their January numbers:
Jeremy Lin: 12 ppg, 5.7 apg, 4.4 rpg. 3.0 spg, 38/39/67 %s
Harrison Barnes: 13 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 1.8 apg, 1.0 spg 55/67/72 %s
Michael Kidd Gilchrist: 9.9 ppg, 7.7 rpg, 1.9 apg, 40/0/85 5s
Kenneth Faried: 12.6 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 1.0 apg, 1.0 spg, 57/NA/78 %s
Serge Ibaka: 14.3 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 2.0 bpg, 57/40/62 %s
John Henson: 11.3 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 1.0 apg, 1.3 bpg, 55/0/59 %s
Courtney Lee: 8.1 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 1.6 apg, 1.3 spg, 59/45/75 %s
Ekpe Udoh: 3.4 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.7 apg, 1.1 bpg, 37/NA/91 %s
Rodrique Beaubois: 3.6 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 2.1 apg, 33/30/67 %s
Donatas Montiejunas: getting no playing time...doing nothing
Jonas Valanciunas: injured...doing nothing
Austin Rivers: getting playing time...doing worse than nothing
Chris Anderson: out of league...still helping team more than Austin Rivers
Still a bad team but probably surprisingly tough on defense and the boards with a lot of energy. Possibly as high as 4-5 future All Stars. I'm happy.
Faried and Ibaka are future superstars. Rebounding is a plenty with this guys in the frontcourt.
I think Lin can score if you give him the rock.
Barnes is solid, an outside threat already and is developing to be a solid rebounder, defender and is showing flashes of good dribble drive moves.
And MKG is going to be a stopper. Already solid all around.
This really is the Team of the Future.
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Sad news for all you Bulls fans out there, Thad Young went down with a hamstring injury tonight.
On the bright side, we are the deepest team in the league. Dwyane Wade had a career high in rebounds, Jimmy Butler continues to impress, and the rest of the boys continue to soldier on. Weep, all of you! Weep for your disservice in not electing me champion.
Also, another I-towed-her-so (Rickyisms, anyone?), I just want to say, PJ Tucker, called it.
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Sad news for all you Bulls fans out there, Thad Young went down with a hamstring injury tonight.
On the bright side, we are the deepest team in the league. Dwyane Wade had a career high in rebounds, Jimmy Butler continues to impress, and the rest of the boys continue to soldier on. Weep, all of you! Weep for your disservice in not electing me champion.
Also, another I-towed-her-so (Rickyisms, anyone?), I just want to say, PJ Tucker, called it.
Blake Griffin, Marc Gasol, and Russell Westbrook laugh at you.
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Sad news for all you Bulls fans out there, Thad Young went down with a hamstring injury tonight.
On the bright side, we are the deepest team in the league. Dwyane Wade had a career high in rebounds, Jimmy Butler continues to impress, and the rest of the boys continue to soldier on. Weep, all of you! Weep for your disservice in not electing me champion.
Also, another I-towed-her-so (Rickyisms, anyone?), I just want to say, PJ Tucker, called it.
Blake Griffin, Marc Gasol, and Russell Westbrook laugh at you.
It's easy to laugh when you're on the outside looking in! Tell them to enjoy their fishing trip. My boys will be playing basketball.
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Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
Dwyane Wade/Alexy Shved/Jimmy Butler
Paul Pierce/Chandler Parsons/Jimmy Butler
Chris Bosh/Tiago Splitter/Chandler Parsons
Nikola Vucevic/Brendan Haywood/Chris Bosh
It ain't easy, being this good, but (dang) I make it look easy, right?
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Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
Dwyane Wade/Alexy Shved/Jimmy Butler
Paul Pierce/Chandler Parsons/Jimmy Butler
Chris Bosh/Tiago Splitter/Chandler Parsons
Nikola Vucevic/Brendan Haywood/Chris Bosh
It ain't easy, being this good, but (dang) I make it look easy, right?
Unlike that joke of a squad you put together in 2011. This 2012 team has turned out to be for real. Well done. TP
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Jrue Holiday/Jarret Jack
Dwyane Wade/Alexy Shved/Jimmy Butler
Paul Pierce/Chandler Parsons/Jimmy Butler
Chris Bosh/Tiago Splitter/Chandler Parsons
Nikola Vucevic/Brendan Haywood/Chris Bosh
It ain't easy, being this good, but (dang) I make it look easy, right?
Unlike that joke of a squad you put together in 2011. This 2012 team has turned out to be for real. Well done. TP
Haha, TP returned because that's fair. My methods didnt change, sometimes you actually hit one for long.
Sorry if I sound like Im crowing too loud (hook reference intended) but this is my favorite team so far I've assembled, by far. I'm a closeted (now) D-Wade fan when he's not playing Boston. He just does the dirty work and gives up the body like few other guards I the league. Kinda wished Id kept Duncan, but C'est la vie.
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Not a bad night for the starting 5 of the All American Good Guyz. Also, Aminu and Waitors played exceptionally well. Oh and Collison and Brooks kept doing Collison and Brooks things.
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Not a bad night for the starting 5 of the All American Good Guyz. Also, Aminu and Waitors played exceptionally well. Oh and Collison and Brooks kept doing Collison and Brooks things.
Lowry played well. I'm kinda happy/annoyed with him. He is a weak minded player in a lot of ways. Way too capable of sulking. But if you give him the reigns, and let him run, he's a heck of a ball player. But, if you offer him any kind of healthy competition for the spot, he seems to lose all consistency.
I am pleased/frustrated with his play. Pleased because he did well tonight. Annoyed because he should do well every night.
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Not a bad night for the starting 5 of the All American Good Guyz. Also, Aminu and Waitors played exceptionally well. Oh and Collison and Brooks kept doing Collison and Brooks things.
Lowry played well. I'm kinda happy/annoyed with him. He is a weak minded player in a lot of ways. Way too capable of sulking. But if you give him the reigns, and let him run, he's a heck of a ball player. But, if you offer him any kind of healthy competition for the spot, he seems to lose all consistency.
I am pleased/frustrated with his play. Pleased because he did well tonight. Annoyed because he should do well every night.
Good thing Devin Harris hasn't threatened starting jobs in 2-3 years. Very solid back up, though.
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Not a bad night for the starting 5 of the All American Good Guyz. Also, Aminu and Waitors played exceptionally well. Oh and Collison and Brooks kept doing Collison and Brooks things.
Lowry played well. I'm kinda happy/annoyed with him. He is a weak minded player in a lot of ways. Way too capable of sulking. But if you give him the reigns, and let him run, he's a heck of a ball player. But, if you offer him any kind of healthy competition for the spot, he seems to lose all consistency.
I am pleased/frustrated with his play. Pleased because he did well tonight. Annoyed because he should do well every night.
Good thing Devin Harris hasn't threatened starting jobs in 2-3 years. Very solid back up, though.
This is just a frustrated Lowry fanboy talking, but when he was injured, it's assumable that Devin Harris played well, yes? If that's the case, Lowry historically recovers very very poorly.
Rudy Gay played really well though.
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How about Bogut eh?
And people thought he wont make any impact.
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Steph Curry
JR Smith
Geraldd Wallace
Pau Gasol
Marcin Gortat
Lou Williaams
Chauncey
Michael Beasley
DeJuan Blair
Spencer Hawes
Steve Novak
Jameer Nelson
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My team keeps looking better.
Backcourt: Nice mix of defense and offense
Rondo Hinrich
Bradley Beal
Frontcourt -
Batum Pietrus
Scola Seraphin
Monroe Kanter
Biggest miss, Bell.
Would my team have survived the injury to Rondo?
Would Scola have held his starting spot vs. Kanter?
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My team keeps looking better.
Backcourt: Nice mix of defense and offense
Rondo Hinrich
Bradley Beal
Frontcourt -
Batum Pietrus
Scola Seraphin
Monroe Kanter
Biggest miss, Bell.
Would my team have survived the injury to Rondo?
Would Scola have held his starting spot vs. Kanter?
I think you start Kanter alongside Monroe. That is one really nice young big man duo. Two really well skilled big guys. Very impressed with Kanter's improvement in just one year. Coming along nicely. Might overtake G.Monroe soon enough if he can take another leap.
Bradley Beal was terrific in the second half of the season too. Gives you a major boost. I think he has to start. I don't know whether Bradley gets the PG spot with Rondo out or if Hinrich takes it. I'd probably go with Hinrich. Steady hand offensively guiding the offense.
G - Hinrich, Bradley
G - Beal, Bradley
F - Batum, Pietrus
C - Monroe, Scola
C - Kanter, Seraphin
Yeah, I think that team stays around .500 with Rondo out.
Half a season of Rondo should get you up a bit higher. Mid-40s.
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So I blew up my team and acquired all young players and couldn't even get Team of the Future.
Starters
Jeremy Lin
Harrison Barnes
Michael Kidd Gilchrist
Kenneth Faried
Serge Ibaka
Bench
John Henson
Chris Anderson
Jonas Valunciunas
Donatas Montiejunas
Courtney Lee
Austin Rivers
Ekpe Udoh
Rodrique Beaubois
BTW, the players in red, they all played in this year's playoffs and got playoff experience. Not bad for a bunch of young kids.
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Still dope.
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LA Lakers
PG: Kyle Lowry, Devin Harris
SG: Tony Allen, Dion Waiters, Marshon Brooks, Dahntay Jones
SF: Rudy Gay, Carlos Delfino, Aminu
PF: Al Horford, Chris Wilcox
C: LaMarcus Aldridge, Nick Collison
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LA Lakers
PG: Kyle Lowry, Devin Harris
SG: Tony Allen, Dion Waiters, Marshon Brooks, Dahntay Jones
SF: Rudy Gay, Carlos Delfino, Aminu
PF: Al Horford, Chris Wilcox
C: LaMarcus Aldridge, Nick Collison
You're no Bulls, I'll give ya that.
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LA Lakers
PG: Kyle Lowry, Devin Harris
SG: Tony Allen, Dion Waiters, Marshon Brooks, Dahntay Jones
SF: Rudy Gay, Carlos Delfino, Aminu
PF: Al Horford, Chris Wilcox
C: LaMarcus Aldridge, Nick Collison
You're no Bulls, I'll give ya that.
Playa please.
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You're no Bulls, I'll give ya that.
You mean his stars aren't choking in the playoffs?
Between Wade's and Pierce's playoff performances thus far, I'm not sure if the Bulls make it out of the hypothetical second round.
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You're no Bulls, I'll give ya that.
You mean his stars aren't choking in the playoffs?
Between Wade's and Pierce's playoff performances thus far, I'm not sure if the Bulls make it out of the hypothetical second round.
Thank god we have the deepest team in the league then, mister "put all his eggs in low post players who never showed up"
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You're no Bulls, I'll give ya that.
You mean his stars aren't choking in the playoffs?
Between Wade's and Pierce's playoff performances thus far, I'm not sure if the Bulls make it out of the hypothetical second round.
Thank god we have the deepest team in the league then, mister "put all his eggs in low post players who never showed up"
Now, remind me, in the NBA does depth win, or do superstars?
Lebron + Kyrie. The best superstar combo the CB Draft has ever seen.
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You're no Bulls, I'll give ya that.
You mean his stars aren't choking in the playoffs?
Between Wade's and Pierce's playoff performances thus far, I'm not sure if the Bulls make it out of the hypothetical second round.
Thank god we have the deepest team in the league then, mister "put all his eggs in low post players who never showed up"
Now, remind me, in the NBA does depth win, or do superstars?
No you remind me! Does Kyrie Irving score on Jrue Holiday or does he usually not?
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You're no Bulls, I'll give ya that.
You mean his stars aren't choking in the playoffs?
Between Wade's and Pierce's playoff performances thus far, I'm not sure if the Bulls make it out of the hypothetical second round.
Thank god we have the deepest team in the league then, mister "put all his eggs in low post players who never showed up"
Now, remind me, in the NBA does depth win, or do superstars?
No you remind me! Does Kyrie Irving score on Jrue Holiday or does he usually not?
Kyrie Irving scores on yo mama.
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You're no Bulls, I'll give ya that.
You mean his stars aren't choking in the playoffs?
Between Wade's and Pierce's playoff performances thus far, I'm not sure if the Bulls make it out of the hypothetical second round.
Thank god we have the deepest team in the league then, mister "put all his eggs in low post players who never showed up"
Now, remind me, in the NBA does depth win, or do superstars?
No you remind me! Does Kyrie Irving score on Jrue Holiday or does he usually not?
Kyrie Irving scores on yo mama.
I'm tellin my dad you said that. You're dead meat, roy!
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MOD FIGHT!!!!
meow
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You're no Bulls, I'll give ya that.
You mean his stars aren't choking in the playoffs?
Between Wade's and Pierce's playoff performances thus far, I'm not sure if the Bulls make it out of the hypothetical second round.
Thank god we have the deepest team in the league then, mister "put all his eggs in low post players who never showed up"
Now, remind me, in the NBA does depth win, or do superstars?
No you remind me! Does Kyrie Irving score on Jrue Holiday or does he usually not?
Kyrie Irving scores on yo mama.
I'm tellin my dad you said that. You're dead meat, roy!
Celtics beat the bulls!
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Not a chance, Kane. Westbrook would've broken down in the 2nd round. HISTORY!!!
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Not a chance, Kane. Westbrook would've broken down in the 2nd round. HISTORY!!!
On my team Russell was pulling an Artest and coming back after 11-12 days. Artest would've played even better D on pierce then shumpert did. Wade would be struggling and missing games with the "bone bruise". Griffin would be helping out and gasol would be the best player in the series.
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Not a chance, Kane. Westbrook would've broken down in the 2nd round. HISTORY!!!
On my team Russell was pulling an Artest and coming back after 11-12 days. Artest would've played even better D on pierce then shumpert did. Wade would be struggling and missing games with the "bone bruise". Griffin would be helping out and gasol would be the best player in the series.
Nope.
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LA Lakers
PG: Kyle Lowry, Devin Harris
SG: Tony Allen, Dion Waiters, Marshon Brooks, Dahntay Jones
SF: Rudy Gay, Carlos Delfino, Aminu
PF: Al Horford, Chris Wilcox
C: LaMarcus Aldridge, Nick Collison
Only a team of super geniuses could put that together.
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Not a chance, Kane. Westbrook would've broken down in the 2nd round. HISTORY!!!
On my team Russell was pulling an Artest and coming back after 11-12 days. Artest would've played even better D on pierce then shumpert did. Wade would be struggling and missing games with the "bone bruise". Griffin would be helping out and gasol would be the best player in the series.
Nope.
Short and sweet. Haha ;)
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Well, Atlanta had two All NBA First Team Members in their starting 5
Timmy and Kobe
Not sure that has ever happened before except maybe that crazy first year with the unfairly stacked teams
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LA Lakers
PG: Kyle Lowry, Devin Harris
SG: Tony Allen, Dion Waiters, Marshon Brooks, Dahntay Jones
SF: Rudy Gay, Carlos Delfino, Aminu
PF: Al Horford, Chris Wilcox
C: LaMarcus Aldridge, Nick Collison
Only a team of super geniuses could put that together.
Hard to disagree w/ that
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LA Lakers
PG: Kyle Lowry, Devin Harris
SG: Tony Allen, Dion Waiters, Marshon Brooks, Dahntay Jones
SF: Rudy Gay, Carlos Delfino, Aminu
PF: Al Horford, Chris Wilcox
C: LaMarcus Aldridge, Nick Collison
Only a team of super geniuses could put that together.
Hard to disagree w/ that
Ouch, without a player that made even the all NBA 3rd team? that has to sting
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So, yeah, any argument that a team led by Wade and Bosh could win a championship has pretty much been proven wrong. Weak sauce.
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Quit living in the past, Hobbs!
Besides, Im sure Jrue, Pierce, Jack, Parsons, Butler, Splitter and Vucevic would've mitigated some of those shortcomings.
And while Lebron is Lebron, your absence of a frontcourt isn't looking too hot right now either...
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Quit living in the past, Hobbs!
Besides, Im sure Jrue, Pierce, Jack, Parsons, Butler, Splitter and Vucevic would've mitigated some of those shortcomings.
And while Lebron is Lebron, your absence of a frontcourt isn't looking too hot right now either...
2 superstars vs. 0 (or, 3 superstars, if you listen to the Jeff Green fans.)
Apparently, the Bosh / Ru Paul comparisons were an insult to Ru Paul. Quite possibly the softest player in the NBA.
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Detroit Basketball, we had Chris Paul.
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Quit living in the past, Hobbs!
Besides, Im sure Jrue, Pierce, Jack, Parsons, Butler, Splitter and Vucevic would've mitigated some of those shortcomings.
And while Lebron is Lebron, your absence of a frontcourt isn't looking too hot right now either...
2 superstars vs. 0 (or, 3 superstars, if you listen to the Jeff Green fans.)
Apparently, the Bosh / Ru Paul comparisons were an insult to Ru Paul. Quite possibly the softest player in the NBA.
Well it's actually only 1 superstar vs 3, cuz Holiday minimizes Irving (SCIENCE!)
Did you watch the game? I only checked boxscores. Was it a case of Hibbert George and West just getting inside without hesitation and doing whatever they wanted?
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Did you watch the game? I only checked boxscores. Was it a case of Hibbert George and West just getting inside without hesitation and doing whatever they wanted?
That's been pretty much the story of this entire series. Bosh can't stop anybody defensively, and on offense, he's been completely finesse, drifting out to the perimeter (even more so than usual).
As much as I root against Lebron, it's still almost sad seeing him get so little help from his supposedly superstar teammates. And now, Wade is calling for the ball more, despite shooting 32% for the past three games.
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Meanwhile, Tim Duncan keeps my chances alive of having the finals MVP 3 years in a row. If the pacers win, I'll really like my chances between him and west
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So, who had Kawhi Leonard, i.e., The Lebron Stopper?