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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: crownontherocks on July 12, 2012, 04:06:29 PM
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The Celtics are said to be targeting free agent guards O.J. Mayo or Courtney Lee.
It sounds like they're trying to negotiate a sign-and-trade for Mayo, while Lee has also been on their radar for days. Mayo is one of the bigger names still available and could see a boost in value if he were to be sent to the Celtics and beat out Jason Terry for the starting SG job. Related: Celtics, Courtney Lee
Source: Sam Amico on Twitter
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Unless Mayo agrees to play for less cash than the full MLE, then a S/T can't happen.
Pretty sure the most Boston can put together in a S/T type salary is 4.7 mil using Dooling,JJJ, and Moore
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Sam Amico has been saying this for awhile now, but he doesn't exactly mention having sources or report anything new. Pretty much rehashing we he comes across on Bleacher Report ::)
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Sources say the Timberwolves want to sign Lee outright, they arent interested in a sign-and-trade with the Houston Rockets.
If we're going to get mayo or lee it needs to happen soon
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From Twitter:
Sam Amico @SamAmicoFSO
Mentioned most in NBA calls today: Whether or not Celtics can work out sign-and-trade for OJ Mayo, or perhaps Courtney Lee.
Ainge is working the phones. Mayo would cap a superb offseason.
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From Twitter:
Sam Amico @SamAmicoFSO
Mentioned most in NBA calls today: Whether or not Celtics can work out sign-and-trade for OJ Mayo, or perhaps Courtney Lee.
Ainge is working the phones. Mayo would cap a superb offseason.
I so dearly hope Ainge gets Lee rather than Mayo.
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If Ainge wants Lee he needs to act quickly..
Timberwolves will miss out on Nicholas Batum, and will chase Lee instead. Unlike Boston they have the money to sign him outright. Cmon Danny!
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I sure hope that Lee or Mayo aren't these year's David West.
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Dear Mr Wallace,
We all know you are an avid reader of Celticsblog. Will you please help the Celtics in facilitating a sign and trade for OJ Mayo? We will be happy to trade you the sharpshooting E'twaun Moore, the "HIGH" flying sean willaims and the Bobcats second round draft pick.
I mean, You do kind of owe us after the whole Gin Baker debacle. Thank you for you understanding.
Regards,
Celtics Nation
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I sure hope that Lee or Mayo aren't these year's David West.
The David West situation was so disappointing and such a let down.
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The Courtney Lee situation certainly does feel like David West all over again...
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If Lee really wanted to come to Boston he would have accepted the BAE for one year. This guy is looking for money and Timberwolves can offer him that.
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I think we are trying to get all our ducks in a row as quickly as possible because what our team is to start the season (barring major injuries and record) will remain that way til the end, because our team values chemistry so much. I bet their thinking is, we had trouble mixing in people and them finding their place last time we made a mid-season trade... we want this team to be together a full season to be comfortable with each other. A deal will be done for all of our pieces by deadline and I think we go that way until the wheels fall off... forget Ubuntu, it's chemistry (and play) that is what we are all about now!
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Does Mayo's bird rights transfer to Boston in a sign and trade? If so, doesn't that mean we can sign him over the cap like we would have with Ray Allen?
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If Lee really wanted to come to Boston he would have accepted the BAE for one year. This guy is looking for money and Timberwolves can offer him that.
I don't agree... he is young, he has a limited window to make the most money he can. I don't believe just b/c you want to play for a team, it means you have to sacrifice your earnings, just to play for that team... it doesn't mean you don't want to play for that team, it just means it isn't your top priority/must a that time. Now, if he is at the end of his career and he says he wants to play for a team offering him more money but goes to a team offering less money, THEN he really didn't want to play for that team in the first place (*cough* Ray *cough*).
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Does Mayo's bird rights transfer to Boston in a sign and trade? If so, doesn't that mean we can sign him over the cap like we would have with Ray Allen?
Im pretty sure that we retain his Bird Rights if we get him in a sign and trade with Memphis!
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Mayo and Terry would be a deadly scoring combo off the bench. I think Courtney Lee would be a better defender and run with Rondo but I think once Avery comes back Mayo is a much better fit for the team.
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Does Mayo's bird rights transfer to Boston in a sign and trade? If so, doesn't that mean we can sign him over the cap like we would have with Ray Allen?
Im pretty sure that we retain his Bird Rights if we get him in a sign and trade with Memphis!
That's what I thought. For that very reason I believe OJ Mayo is the more likely get because we can sign him to a deal he wants and fit it over the cap, rather than Lee who I believe doesn't have Bird Rights with Houston and would command around the same dollar value.
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When I mean "deal he wants," I mean pay him more than some other contenders, the deal OJ Mayo wants is a deal no contending team would be able to give him, or want.
I feel like Mayo is the kinda guy who would rather go to a crappy team and get paid rather than play on a contender and get less money.
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I'm not even getting my hopes up. Is Memphis willing to wheel and deal with us?
It is weird we haven't heard anything about Mayo at all
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You should take som Waltussin for that cough, mate. It dont sound good.
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From Twitter:
Sam Amico @SamAmicoFSO
Mentioned most in NBA calls today: Whether or not Celtics can work out sign-and-trade for OJ Mayo, or perhaps Courtney Lee.
Ainge is working the phones. Mayo would cap a superb offseason.
Superb offseason? But the Celtics just lost a big time shooter to the Heat that was in his prime about 2 or 3 years ago and is coming off of another ankle surgery. ;D
Speaking of which, I wonder if Ray ever entertained the idea of asking for more money from Miami in a sign and trade. Not that Miami would have wanted to help the Celtics, but if Ray really cared about his old teammates, I imagine he could have helped them out by trying to get something in return for his lost services.
Just a thought..........
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Mayo doesn't wanna be here LEE does.
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good grief are we getting one of these guys or not?
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Complicated I see the arrival of OJ Mayo, there are still teams that can offer him more money, Mavs, Pacers, Wolves?
But clearly in May would be a reinforcement of high quality for the Celtics.
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If Lee really wanted to come to Boston he would have accepted the BAE for one year. This guy is looking for money and Timberwolves can offer him that.
I don't agree... he is young, he has a limited window to make the most money he can. I don't believe just b/c you want to play for a team, it means you have to sacrifice your earnings, just to play for that team... it doesn't mean you don't want to play for that team, it just means it isn't your top priority/must a that time. Now, if he is at the end of his career and he says he wants to play for a team offering him more money but goes to a team offering less money, THEN he really didn't want to play for that team in the first place (*cough* Ray *cough*).
I'd think Houston getting told by Orlando absolutely no re: DW may be holding up any S&T they might entertain for Lee.
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Would rather have Mayo than Lee. Either way, we need to get signing because Miami is getting better and better and I am getting enormously sick of hearing about "cap space."
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Mayo doesn't wanna be here LEE does.
It's not that he doesn't want to be here, it's just that he allegedly doesn't care about banners and tradition.
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It is an incredibly disconcerting thought that this might be David West, redux.
West would have made a huge difference for us (what a bad decision by him).
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as covered before on these forums we could pay mayo up to 6-7 easy for a package of dooling\jjj\williams\moore, as long as they timed the free agents signings correctly so they stayed under the tax at the time that they made the trade. However think memphis is tax territory and may be unwilling to take on further cent(moore and williams are non guanterred but dooling and jjj would be). So ainge might need a thrid team with cap space or an exception to take on dooling and jjj, cavs make some sense as they are way under the tax. At the same time c's would need to send memphis a pick(s) to make it worth their while too.
something like
c's get
mayo
cavs get
dooling + jjj + moore + williams
memphis gets
charlotte 2nd rounder + trade exception.
might work
The even bigger problem is the hornets will match gordon, so the suns will make a run at mayo and the blazers will match batum so the wolves will make a run at lee. Both teams could more easily offer more as they are under the tax
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Does Mayo's bird rights transfer to Boston in a sign and trade? If so, doesn't that mean we can sign him over the cap like we would have with Ray Allen?
A player has to be given a contract of at least three years in a S&T (only the first has to be guaranteed) so that he doesn't get his Bird rights any earlier than if had signed directly as a free agent.
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If we get Courtney Lee, it will be in a 3 way with Houston and Orlando that is in the DW12 trade.
If we land Mayo, it will be in a trade with Memphis and or Dallas in some three way that includes a S&T for Terry.
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If we get Courtney Lee, it will be in a 3 way with Houston and Orlando that is in the DW12 trade.
If we land Mayo, it will be in a trade with Memphis and or Dallas in some three way that includes a S&T for Terry.
If we do a S+T for Terry one of them will take the MLE.
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Good idea(http://www.cleaningcassette.com)
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If we get Courtney Lee, it will be in a 3 way with Houston and Orlando that is in the DW12 trade.
If we land Mayo, it will be in a trade with Memphis and or Dallas in some three way that includes a S&T for Terry.
If we do a S+T for Terry one of them will take the MLE.
Terry is schedule to be signed and introduced Saturday isn't he? The Dwight deal will carry on longer so I doubt it.
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From Twitter:
Sam Amico @SamAmicoFSO
Mentioned most in NBA calls today: Whether or not Celtics can work out sign-and-trade for OJ Mayo, or perhaps Courtney Lee.
Ainge is working the phones. Mayo would cap a superb offseason.
I so dearly hope Ainge gets Lee rather than Mayo.
Lucky do you still feel this way?
Not trying to hate. But from what you have seen of both of these guys, do yo still feel the same?
I would have to say that Mayo looks good and I would have taken him over Lee.
I remember this was a highly debated topic in the summer. I bet Memphis feels dumb now. Dallas looks smart. Mayo is living up to the hype in Big D.
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From Twitter:
Sam Amico @SamAmicoFSO
Mentioned most in NBA calls today: Whether or not Celtics can work out sign-and-trade for OJ Mayo, or perhaps Courtney Lee.
Ainge is working the phones. Mayo would cap a superb offseason.
I so dearly hope Ainge gets Lee rather than Mayo.
Lucky do you still feel this way?
Not trying to hate. But from what you have seen of both of these guys, do yo still feel the same?
I would have to say that Mayo looks good and I would have taken him over Lee.
I remember this was a highly debated topic in the summer. I bet Memphis feels dumb now. Dallas looks smart. Mayo is living up to the hype in Big D.
If OJ Mayo continues to shoot 58% from behind the 3 point line you will be completely justified in crowing about his performance.
Otherwise his game this year has been almost exactly the same as his past performances. He's not defending, rebounding, assisting, hitting two point shots, or even getting to the rim more.
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From Twitter:
Sam Amico @SamAmicoFSO
Mentioned most in NBA calls today: Whether or not Celtics can work out sign-and-trade for OJ Mayo, or perhaps Courtney Lee.
Ainge is working the phones. Mayo would cap a superb offseason.
I so dearly hope Ainge gets Lee rather than Mayo.
Lucky do you still feel this way?
Not trying to hate. But from what you have seen of both of these guys, do yo still feel the same?
I would have to say that Mayo looks good and I would have taken him over Lee.
I remember this was a highly debated topic in the summer. I bet Memphis feels dumb now. Dallas looks smart. Mayo is living up to the hype in Big D.
If OJ Mayo continues to shoot 58% from behind the 3 point line you will be completely justified in crowing about his performance.
Otherwise his game this year has been almost exactly the same as his past performances. He's not defending, rebounding, assisting, hitting two point shots, or even getting to the rim more.
If you saw him against GS the other night you would change your mind. He's an all-star right now. he was getting to the lane and hitting floaters, layups ...
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From Twitter:
Sam Amico @SamAmicoFSO
Mentioned most in NBA calls today: Whether or not Celtics can work out sign-and-trade for OJ Mayo, or perhaps Courtney Lee.
Ainge is working the phones. Mayo would cap a superb offseason.
I so dearly hope Ainge gets Lee rather than Mayo.
Lucky do you still feel this way?
Not trying to hate. But from what you have seen of both of these guys, do yo still feel the same?
I would have to say that Mayo looks good and I would have taken him over Lee.
I remember this was a highly debated topic in the summer. I bet Memphis feels dumb now. Dallas looks smart. Mayo is living up to the hype in Big D.
If OJ Mayo continues to shoot 58% from behind the 3 point line you will be completely justified in crowing about his performance.
Otherwise his game this year has been almost exactly the same as his past performances. He's not defending, rebounding, assisting, hitting two point shots, or even getting to the rim more.
If you saw him against GS the other night you would change your mind. He's an all-star right now. he was getting to the lane and hitting floaters, layups ...
Carving up the Warriors without Bogut doesn't make you an all-star.
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From Twitter:
Sam Amico @SamAmicoFSO
Mentioned most in NBA calls today: Whether or not Celtics can work out sign-and-trade for OJ Mayo, or perhaps Courtney Lee.
Ainge is working the phones. Mayo would cap a superb offseason.
I so dearly hope Ainge gets Lee rather than Mayo.
Lucky do you still feel this way?
Not trying to hate. But from what you have seen of both of these guys, do yo still feel the same?
I would have to say that Mayo looks good and I would have taken him over Lee.
I remember this was a highly debated topic in the summer. I bet Memphis feels dumb now. Dallas looks smart. Mayo is living up to the hype in Big D.
I have to confess, I haven't seen much of either guy this season.
But, I still think Lee's defense will be more of a boon to the present roster than Mayo's offense might have been.
Also, if I'm not mistaken, signing Mayo would have meant no available MLE to bring in Jason Terry? That's another consideration.
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I was going off the basis of it sounding like you would prefer Lee over OJ based on us being able to do a S+T for either.
Mayo. - I am not crowing. It is what it is. He is averaging 21.8 ppg on 14 shots. His 3 point percentage will come down but he is basically shooting 50 % from the field.
But I have watched him a few times and he is being given a larger role then he has ever had before. He plays with a lot of control and he makes plays.
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I don't think Mayo would be as happy or productive in 20 minutes a night in Boston. He's playing free and easy in Dallas, while everyone waits for Dirk to return.
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Well if Mayo was signed by Boston and he had the same start to his season I would bet he would be playing more than 20min/game. He would be the starting 2 guard w/ terry coming off the bench.
But the big thing with this hindsight discussion is really how good of a def player is mayo? I still think C Lee is a better overall player even if he gives us a bit less scoring. Plus I think C Lee fits better with the C's culture of playing more self-less.
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Well, OJ Mayo played the sixth man role in Memphis and didn't really thrive. You can say he was unhappy and unmotivated there, but I suppose it's because he's a volume scorer who needs to shoot.
It's just a sample of size to make a comparison. Lee is definitely a superior defender. Actually, compared to Mayo, Nate Robinson may be a superior defender, too.
Mayo has been shooting like crazy so far, but as I said, it's just a couple of games. For comparison, the favourite for the most developed player prize, Klay Thompson, has shot 33% from the field so far.
Yet, I'd definitely not trade Klay for Mayo, if I was GS.
Of course, we don't have someone like Klay. We have Lee.
But when I look at it from the team's perspective, Lee fits in better. There was definitely not going to be enough minutes for Mayo, anyway, with Bradley back in roster and Terry playing the 6th man role.
The only way this was happening was to get Mayo instead of Terry and I'd be reluctant to make such a choice.
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Difference between Lee and Mayo is that Mayo wanted what was best for Mayo while Lee wanted the best chance to win. Mayo wanted to showcase himself for a bigger contract for a team that needed a scorer and would have given him minutes. Hello Dallas. If we are seriously regretting not acquiring Mayo then I guess we should have never traded Moore cause he's having a better season than Lee too.
Still very early. Lee's still finding his groove and I think consistency is on the way. I'm not worried at all.
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Not surprised that the same people who say they prefer lee over mayo are the same people who think jeff green has potential to be a star.
If you watched mayo take over the last few end of close games for dallas you would say otherwise. mayo is an above average starter, I don't know what lee is right now.