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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Jay D on April 10, 2012, 11:02:55 AM
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http://www.celticslife.com/2012/04/etwaun-moore-unhappy-with-lack-of.html
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/professional/unhappy-e-twaun-moore-playing-good-soldier-in-boston/article_0af45d89-c5a2-5336-94ab-69e859439b8e.html
Seems like E'Twaun isn't happy about the amount of play time he's been getting.
I do feel sorry for him, but I'm not sure what he expected in this lockout season and with lack of practices and training camp, although he probably should have shared minutes with Dooling imo.
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Really, E'Twaun? You're a late second-round pick who's been clearly beaten out by Avery Bradley. If you're frustrated, keep it to yourself. Better yet, look at what Bradley went through last year, how he kept working, how he kept trying to improve his game, until he proved that he belonged on the court.
I mean, kid.... you've already played 50% more minutes this year than Bradley got in HIS rookie season. Suck it up and get to work.
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Do we really want young players that are happy with no playing time?
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Moore should keep his yapper shut. He's a rookie in a condensed season while 3 HOF'ers go gracefully into the sunset. Give it a year, soak up all the knowledge you can from Ray and KG, and realize you're 4th on the depth chart at the 2 behind Allen, Bradley, and healthy Pietrus.
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Do we really want young players that are happy with no playing time?
Yeah. That was him answering the question exactly how he is supposed to answer it. I hope JJ would answer it the same way, and Dooling, Hollins, and Daniels too.
Competitiveness is what makes players great, and if they are competitive, it kills them to not be able to be on the floor competing.
It's the same thing with Ray. He is one of the most competitive players in the league, and while he has agreed to come off the bench, it is absolutely killing him inside not to start. That's not a bad thing, and as long as he is professional about it (which he certainly will be), then it is good for the team that he wants to start, and he use that desire to fuel him, and to prove that he needs a starting job next year.
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Im glad he's unhappy and not content with the situation. However, I wish he would go about it silently.
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Im glad he's unhappy and not content with the situation. However, I wish he would go about it silently.
same thing, however I do think Moore should've gotten more playing time after his heroic performance in Orlando. At least he should've been splitting minutes or playing over Dooling imo
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Im glad he's unhappy and not content with the situation. However, I wish he would go about it silently.
He was asked a question from a reporter.
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Im glad he's unhappy and not content with the situation. However, I wish he would go about it silently.
He was asked a question from a reporter.
Yeah, but not with his hand on a bible or anything. He could've just said "I've been working hard in practice, and I'll be ready for my chance when it comes" which is basically a no-comment.
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He said he's a "little angry" at the situation.
Is that yapping? Is that acting out?
No, of course not. I'm glad to see the kid has a fire lit under his @ss. He said the right things in my opinion. He's competitive. He wants to play and contribute, nothing wrong with that.
I think, assuming he has a strong summer league, training camp, and preseason, Moore will be a nice role player for the Celtics heading into 12-13. It sounds like he's got a great work ethic and is receptive to the veteran guys.
I don't view this as him being a distraction. He's a competitive young player that wants to show what he's got. Nothing wrong with that.
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Im glad he's unhappy and not content with the situation. However, I wish he would go about it silently.
He was asked a question from a reporter.
Yeah, but not with his hand on a bible or anything. He could've just said "I've been working hard in practice, and I'll be ready for my chance when it comes" which is basically a no-comment.
"I know I've got to keep working on being the best defensive player I can be. For right now, I just consider myself blessed to be able to learn from guys like Ray Allen and Rajon Rondo."
Commenting without actually commenting isn't all that hard. Don't tell everyone that you're angry about not playing, even if you are. UBUNTU!
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He said he's a "little angry" at the situation.
Is that yapping? Is that acting out?
No, of course not. I'm glad to see the kid has a fire lit under his @ss. He said the right things in my opinion. He's competitive. He wants to play and contribute, nothing wrong with that.
I think, assuming he has a strong summer league, training camp, and preseason, Moore will be a nice role player for the Celtics heading into 12-13. It sounds like he's got a great work ethic and is receptive to the veteran guys.
I don't view this as him being a distraction. He's a competitive young player that wants to show what he's got. Nothing wrong with that.
Nobody said it was acting out, but it was yapping. He was opening and closing his yapper. I would've preferred in this instance, that he shut his yapper, and cease his yapping.
But you're right he's not a distraction, and ultimately its not a big deal, and not a real story.
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E.Moore should go to Europe and play professionally over there. He'll have a much more enjoyable career as a star scorer there than an end of the bench player in the NBA.
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hard to judge the context of the answer without knowing the phrasing of the question that was posed to him.
the only questionable part of his comments is the 'angry' part. for all we know it was a response to a question if he was angry and he didn't think to rephrase the answer. it could be based on commentary from his family about his playing time or, for that matter, the commentary of a number of posters here that think he should be getting time over Dooling (because as we all know, the C's players live and die by what's said on this blog ;) )
The article comes across like a reporter trying to make a story where one doesn't really exist.
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I love that answer from Moore. I'd love it even more if I was coaching him.
I believe eventually, with or without the Celtics, Moore will get the time on the court he's wanting. Don't start counting him out like most did with Bradley. Moore has the talent to become a very good NBA player. He's far from Europe material by any stretch. He's here to stay.
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I believe eventually, with or without the Celtics, Moore will get the time on the court he's wanting. Don't start counting him out like most did with Bradley. Moore has the talent to become a very good NBA player. He's far from Europe material by any stretch. He's here to stay.
I agree. I really believe he'll develop at least to Keyon Dooling's level (in Dooling's prime) and most likely more. At least a good bench player for us in the next couple of years.
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By all accounts he's a good kid. Let's not beat him up about what was at worst a poor choice of words.
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It does suck for him that he isn't able to get that experience...but welcome to the NBA. You have to earn minutes around here and the only person he should be getting minutes in front of at guard is Dooling
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This is why players shouldn't talk.
I don't give a rat's benhind what a player has to say. Just shut up and play.
It isn't a big deal, but it doesn't sound too good either. Can easily be interpreted as not being a team player.
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Insignificant news.
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Moore has a point.
1. guaranteed he would we playing more in a system like the Spurs.
2. he would be playing over Dooling in almost any other NBA team.
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Moore has a point.
1. guaranteed he would we playing more in a system like the Spurs.
2. he would be playing over Dooling in almost any other NBA team.
I don't think either of these things are true. In all but one game, he has not looked like an NBA player. He has struggled to get his shot off against any defense, and is not a strong defensive player or PG.
On the Spurs, he wouldn't see the floor either, because they would have about 5 guys in front of him.
As for being better than Dooling...well, I won't get into that argument, since I know I think more of Dooling than most people on this site. But since Dooling isn't in the rotation either right now, it doesn't really matter.
Moore is at best a borderline NBA player.
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Moore has a point.
1. guaranteed he would we playing more in a system like the Spurs.
2. he would be playing over Dooling in almost any other NBA team.
I don't think either of these things are true. In all but one game, he has not looked like an NBA player. He has struggled to get his shot off against any defense, and is not a strong defensive player or PG.
On the Spurs, he wouldn't see the floor either, because they would have about 5 guys in front of him.
As for being better than Dooling...well, I won't get into that argument, since I know I think more of Dooling than most people on this site. But since Dooling isn't in the rotation either right now, it doesn't really matter.
Moore is at best a borderline NBA player.
agreed
and while dooling is not my favorite player i'd think doc is probably saying he can hit 3's and has been around, get his confidence up
I personally always thought bradley was worth holding onto as he had some skill sets that could really help. Moore will never be a starter in nba, maybe MAYBE a solid backup but he has lots to prove with what I've seen so far.
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The fact that Dooling has stunk up more than helped this team makes me love E'Twaun's comments. And I believe he knows this, which is why he just put it out there.
He should see the floor more than Dooling does.
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Moore has a point.
1. guaranteed he would we playing more in a system like the Spurs.
2. he would be playing over Dooling in almost any other NBA team.
I don't think either of these things are true. In all but one game, he has not looked like an NBA player. He has struggled to get his shot off against any defense, and is not a strong defensive player or PG.
On the Spurs, he wouldn't see the floor either, because they would have about 5 guys in front of him.
As for being better than Dooling...well, I won't get into that argument, since I know I think more of Dooling than most people on this site. But since Dooling isn't in the rotation either right now, it doesn't really matter.
Moore is at best a borderline NBA player.
I dont think this is true either.. You put Moore on the Spurs bench and he gets buried. Moore hasnt proven that he is worthy of playing for a contender. I dont even think he would be getting big minutes on the Wizards or the Bobcats currently. I hope he is working hard and makes the most of his opportunities but he should try to be more cautious about what he says to the media.
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Some of you do realize he is HUMAN, right? Everyone isn't going to give a "no comment" answer to everything, especially if what they actually shouldn't be replaced with a no comment answer! Is RR being a team guy when he says thing like, (not going to quote because I don't feel like watching the videos) when Avery starts we get off to better starts b/c of our defense... he has said it more than once... this was before Ray came back to be benched. It's more in the way RR says it... I would get an uneasy feeling about it... it's like he is calling out Ray on defense. Go look it up on espnforsberg videos (more than once). Other players say things too but no one talks about it... this kid said no more than the rest of the players!
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Good kid, hard worker, wants to play, and not happy just getting occasional garbage minutes, I don't see a problem here. I like the fact that he's angry, anger you can use, apathy would be a problem.
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If he said anything that the coach and his team mates didn't like, he'll hear about it and be put in his place. If he said something they could care less about, its a non-story. Either way let the team handle it cause its no bog deal.
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Moore has a point.
1. guaranteed he would we playing more in a system like the Spurs.
2. he would be playing over Dooling in almost any other NBA team.
He might be in a Spurs game like last night...Which they mailed in.
He wouldn't be playing over Dooling on any NBA team...Except maybe Charlotte.
Dooling's defense, both one on one and team defense, will keep him on the court over Moore.
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Moore has a point.
1. guaranteed he would we playing more in a system like the Spurs.
2. he would be playing over Dooling in almost any other NBA team.
I don't think either of these things are true. In all but one game, he has not looked like an NBA player. He has struggled to get his shot off against any defense, and is not a strong defensive player or PG.
On the Spurs, he wouldn't see the floor either, because they would have about 5 guys in front of him.
As for being better than Dooling...well, I won't get into that argument, since I know I think more of Dooling than most people on this site. But since Dooling isn't in the rotation either right now, it doesn't really matter.
Moore is at best a borderline NBA player.
I completely disagree. I think people forgot Moores game since he hasn't been playing. When he and Bradley were splitting minutes earlier in the season, Moore showed that he DID have the ability to create his own shot. That was one of the things mentioned almost every game thread as a reason to have Moore get more time when our bench lacked scoring.
He is also a far better ball handler than Bradley, and looked more comfortable running the offense than Bradley. With Bradley playing SG now, that's less of an issue, but comparing them as point guards, that's another advantage to Moore.
Moore also showed himself to be a solid defender when given the minutes. He probably averaged as many steals as AB Per minute, when they split time early in the year.
Everyone is all over Bradley now, but earlier in the year when they were splitting their time, Moore was a significantly better player offensively (with actual moves...not just cutting), while also being a tough defender. If I saw a player that I felt superior to getting tons of minutes while I rode the bench, I'd be frustrated as well.
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Moore deserves more time but not this late in the season. Doc already missed his best chances to get Moore in. He did what he could but I agree that it wasn't enough and now Doc can't play him because we have to keep this train rolling into the playoffs.
There probably will be a game before the season ends when we rest one of the big 4 in separate occasions. When it's Rondos turn he'll get his chance.
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He's a second round pick. Forget being happy with any PT, he should be happy he has a contract at all.
He needs to shut up.
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Moore has a point.
1. guaranteed he would we playing more in a system like the Spurs.
2. he would be playing over Dooling in almost any other NBA team.
I don't think either of these things are true. In all but one game, he has not looked like an NBA player. He has struggled to get his shot off against any defense, and is not a strong defensive player or PG.
On the Spurs, he wouldn't see the floor either, because they would have about 5 guys in front of him.
As for being better than Dooling...well, I won't get into that argument, since I know I think more of Dooling than most people on this site. But since Dooling isn't in the rotation either right now, it doesn't really matter.
Moore is at best a borderline NBA player.
I dont think this is true either.. You put Moore on the Spurs bench and he gets buried. Moore hasnt proven that he is worthy of playing for a contender. I dont even think he would be getting big minutes on the Wizards or the Bobcats currently. I hope he is working hard and makes the most of his opportunities but he should try to be more cautious about what he says to the media.
Moore didn’t get a chance to prove himself.
while Dooling, sucked for almost entire season before showing little signs of positive production.
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He's a second round pick. Forget being happy with any PT, he should be happy he has a contract at all.
He needs to shut up.
Exactly he should be happy soaking up everything he can from the HOFs
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Moore stuck with an NBA team the entire season. That is a success. There are so many guys who could fill his role at the end of the bench -- guys who can look good a game or 2 while underwhelming the majority of the time. Borderline guys.
That's my view at least.
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Moore has a point.
1. guaranteed he would we playing more in a system like the Spurs.
2. he would be playing over Dooling in almost any other NBA team.
I don't think either of these things are true. In all but one game, he has not looked like an NBA player. He has struggled to get his shot off against any defense, and is not a strong defensive player or PG.
On the Spurs, he wouldn't see the floor either, because they would have about 5 guys in front of him.
As for being better than Dooling...well, I won't get into that argument, since I know I think more of Dooling than most people on this site. But since Dooling isn't in the rotation either right now, it doesn't really matter.
Moore is at best a borderline NBA player.
I dont think this is true either.. You put Moore on the Spurs bench and he gets buried. Moore hasnt proven that he is worthy of playing for a contender. I dont even think he would be getting big minutes on the Wizards or the Bobcats currently. I hope he is working hard and makes the most of his opportunities but he should try to be more cautious about what he says to the media.
Moore didn’t get a chance to prove himself.
while Dooling, sucked for almost entire season before showing little signs of positive production.
The point is that Moore would've been buried on the SPurs bench behind Danny Green, Ginobli, and S-Jax.
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don't care really if he's happy or not. ::)
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Moore has a point.
1. guaranteed he would we playing more in a system like the Spurs.
2. he would be playing over Dooling in almost any other NBA team.
I don't think either of these things are true. In all but one game, he has not looked like an NBA player. He has struggled to get his shot off against any defense, and is not a strong defensive player or PG.
On the Spurs, he wouldn't see the floor either, because they would have about 5 guys in front of him.
As for being better than Dooling...well, I won't get into that argument, since I know I think more of Dooling than most people on this site. But since Dooling isn't in the rotation either right now, it doesn't really matter.
Moore is at best a borderline NBA player.
I dont think this is true either.. You put Moore on the Spurs bench and he gets buried. Moore hasnt proven that he is worthy of playing for a contender. I dont even think he would be getting big minutes on the Wizards or the Bobcats currently. I hope he is working hard and makes the most of his opportunities but he should try to be more cautious about what he says to the media.
Moore didn’t get a chance to prove himself.
while Dooling, sucked for almost entire season before showing little signs of positive production.
The point is that Moore would've been buried on the SPurs bench behind Danny Green, Ginobli, and S-Jax.
Green was a second round pick, but he got a chance to show he can play.
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I like that's he's competitive and wants to play. It's better for all involved to keep it to yourself though.
I don't agree with the talk that he's a scrub though. He's a hard worker with game. In the little court time we've seen he has impressed me more than JJ has.
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Can't blame him, I'm sure he lights it up in practice while Avery is the brickmaster. From his prospective it can't make much sense.
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Moore deserves more time but not this late in the season. Doc already missed his best chances to get Moore in. He did what he could but I agree that it wasn't enough and now Doc can't play him because we have to keep this train rolling into the playoffs.
There probably will be a game before the season ends when we rest one of the big 4 in separate occasions. When it's Rondos turn he'll get his chance.
I agree. But not only does Doc have a solid three-guard rotation set for the playoffs, but he's got two or three possible backups ahead of EM at this point. I don't expect him to be activated or see a minute on the court in the post-season, so I can understand Doc's triage going against Moore this year.
He also sounds like a rookie who hasn't quite got his PR spin game up to the pro level yet.
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Would anybody rather have Moore say "Oh Gee, Al....I'm just happy to be here". ????????
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Can't blame him, I'm sure he lights it up in practice while Avery is the brickmaster. From his prospective it can't make much sense.
This is pure and simple speculation on your part and given the fact that Bradley is playing, playing well and shooting well and that Doc always said Bradley showed himself to be a very good shooter in practice, probably the opposite of what has happened.
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Come on Etwain..dude...look...I bet he'd really be all smiles if AUSTIN RIVERS was on the Celtics....
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I liked Moore's game earlier in the season but he has no right to gripe about anything as a second round rook/
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Moore has prove himself. He played very well when Rondo was Injured hitting big shots assisting and defending well. Doc just has to be honest, because we all see it every year... Doc does not play rookies unless barring injuries. K.G. went down, we saw Baby, Baby goes down we saw Powe, Ray Allen goes down we're now seeing Bradley, Rondo went down & we saw Moore briefly, Wilcox & J.O. went down & now we're finally seeing a stolen gem in Steisma.
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E'Twaun Moore: "Hmmm the only people that think I should be playing are the fans... maybe i should sound like a selfish, egotistic, rookie PG so I can completely alienate them. Sounds like a plan."
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Moore has a point.
1. guaranteed he would we playing more in a system like the Spurs.
2. he would be playing over Dooling in almost any other NBA team.
I don't think either of these things are true. In all but one game, he has not looked like an NBA player. He has struggled to get his shot off against any defense, and is not a strong defensive player or PG.
On the Spurs, he wouldn't see the floor either, because they would have about 5 guys in front of him.
As for being better than Dooling...well, I won't get into that argument, since I know I think more of Dooling than most people on this site. But since Dooling isn't in the rotation either right now, it doesn't really matter.
Moore is at best a borderline NBA player.
I dont think this is true either.. You put Moore on the Spurs bench and he gets buried. Moore hasnt proven that he is worthy of playing for a contender. I dont even think he would be getting big minutes on the Wizards or the Bobcats currently. I hope he is working hard and makes the most of his opportunities but he should try to be more cautious about what he says to the media.
the bolded is pretty disrespectful especially since he hasnt had consistent minutes this year him nd JJJ deserve more minutes to get in some type of rhythm
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Insignificant news.
This.
Non-story.
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Can't blame him, I'm sure he lights it up in practice while Avery is the brickmaster. From his prospective it can't make much sense.
This is pure and simple speculation on your part and given the fact that Bradley is playing, playing well and shooting well and that Doc always said Bradley showed himself to be a very good shooter in practice, probably the opposite of what has happened.
I remember After the Orlando game where Moore blew up, doc was interviewed and said he wasn't surprised because Moores shooting was only behind rays in practice.
Fact is, Bradley is still a poor shooter. His FG% is padded because he gets set up for so many layups, and defenses play off his shot. Almost all of his actual jumpshots are bricks when theres any sort of defense near him. Moore actually creates his own shot with his dribble.
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Moore has a point.
1. guaranteed he would we playing more in a system like the Spurs.
2. he would be playing over Dooling in almost any other NBA team.
I don't think either of these things are true. In all but one game, he has not looked like an NBA player. He has struggled to get his shot off against any defense, and is not a strong defensive player or PG.
On the Spurs, he wouldn't see the floor either, because they would have about 5 guys in front of him.
As for being better than Dooling...well, I won't get into that argument, since I know I think more of Dooling than most people on this site. But since Dooling isn't in the rotation either right now, it doesn't really matter.
Moore is at best a borderline NBA player.
I dont think this is true either.. You put Moore on the Spurs bench and he gets buried. Moore hasnt proven that he is worthy of playing for a contender. I dont even think he would be getting big minutes on the Wizards or the Bobcats currently. I hope he is working hard and makes the most of his opportunities but he should try to be more cautious about what he says to the media.
the bolded is pretty disrespectful especially since he hasnt had consistent minutes this year him nd JJJ deserve more minutes to get in some type of rhythm
They don't deserve anything. If they deserved it, they would be playing, and producing right now. Both of them have had opportunities and have been uneven at best. When you are on a veteran team like the C's, you need to take advantage of every opportunity you have if you want minutes. Nothing is given to you. If they keep improving, the opportunities will be there, but the only way to make the most of them is to be ready. That should be their focus.
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Can't blame him, I'm sure he lights it up in practice while Avery is the brickmaster. From his prospective it can't make much sense.
This is pure and simple speculation on your part and given the fact that Bradley is playing, playing well and shooting well and that Doc always said Bradley showed himself to be a very good shooter in practice, probably the opposite of what has happened.
I remember After the Orlando game where Moore blew up, doc was interviewed and said he wasn't surprised because Moores shooting was only behind rays in practice.
Fact is, Bradley is still a poor shooter. His FG% is padded because he gets set up for so many layups, and defenses play off his shot. Almost all of his actual jumpshots are bricks when theres any sort of defense near him. Moore actually creates his own shot with his dribble.
T%he actual shooting stats don't bear out that Bradley is a bad shooter. he is not a good long range shooter but his mid range game which started awful has gotten to some decent numbers because of a long stretch of good shooting from 12-21 feet.
Here are the team's stats this year for shooting from this range:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=single&year_id=2012&is_playoffs=N&team_id=BOS&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=12&shot_distance_max=21&q1=Y&q2=Y&q3=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=12&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=&margin_max=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg
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Shooting % on two-point shots that aren't dunks or layups:
Moore (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shooting.cgi?player_id=mooreet01&year_id=2012): 32.5%
Bradley (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shooting.cgi?player_id=bradlav01&year_id=2012) 38.5%
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Shooting % on two-point shots that aren't dunks or layups:
Moore (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shooting.cgi?player_id=mooreet01&year_id=2012): 32.5%
Bradley (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shooting.cgi?player_id=bradlav01&year_id=2012) 38.5%
Exactly. The thing about Moore is that he is a great shooter...when he has room to get his shot off. Unfortunately, he is too short, too unathletic, and his release is too slow, so he can really only get off a clean shot when he is WIDE open. In order to get shots off, he has had to really rush them, and it turns him into a poor shooter.
If you had them in a shooting competition without defenders, Moore would destroy Bradley, but against NBA defenses, the ability to elevate, and the threat of speed make Bradley a more effective NBA shooter.
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Shooting % on two-point shots that aren't dunks or layups:
Moore (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shooting.cgi?player_id=mooreet01&year_id=2012): 32.5%
Bradley (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shooting.cgi?player_id=bradlav01&year_id=2012) 38.5%
If you had them in a shooting competition without defenders, Moore would destroy Bradley,
I seriously doubt this as we have seen Rondo shoot shot for shot with Kevin Durant in a game of horse on national TV. Fact is they are both probably very good outside shooter's but Moore has better range and Bradley better tools to get his shot off and create his shot. When it comes to practicality, like game conditions, that makes Bradley better, IMHO.
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Shooting % on two-point shots that aren't dunks or layups:
Moore (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shooting.cgi?player_id=mooreet01&year_id=2012): 32.5%
Bradley (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shooting.cgi?player_id=bradlav01&year_id=2012) 38.5%
If you had them in a shooting competition without defenders, Moore would destroy Bradley,
I seriously doubt this as we have seen Rondo shoot shot for shot with Kevin Durant in a game of horse on national TV. Fact is they are both probably very good outside shooter's but Moore has better range and Bradley better tools to get his shot off and create his shot. When it comes to practicality, like game conditions, that makes Bradley better, IMHO.
Well, its the same point. It doesn't matter how well Moore can shoot in practice, if he can't get his shot off in games.
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Remember when Doc kept saying that Bradley could hit jumpers in practice?
I don't really see Moore as being as future starter on a non-lottery team, but he would certainly be a useful bench player anywhere in the league if he can play decent defense and raise his 3p% over 40%.
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I seriously think people here have forgotten Moores game. Defenses didn't lay off him. They lay off Bradley like they do rondo. Moores shots were mostly contested jumpers that he created space for himself with his dribble. He wasn't missing wide open shots...that's Bradley lol.
As far as tools to get a shot off, dribble is number 1. Moores handle is way better than Bradley's. Bradley doesn't have the ability to create space with his dribble, and there's no "fear of speed" with him once the balls in his hands, because his dribble isn't strong enough to penetrate with it. Bringing up Moores size as a disadvantage doesn't really work either, because when they were on the court next to each other, Moore was way bigger than Bradley.
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I seriously think people here have forgotten Moores game. Defenses didn't lay off him. They lay off Bradley like they do rondo. Moores shots were mostly contested jumpers that he created space for himself with his dribble. He wasn't missing wide open shots...that's Bradley lol.
As far as tools to get a shot off, dribble is number 1. Moores handle is way better than Bradley's. Bradley doesn't have the ability to create space with his dribble, and there's no "fear of speed" with him once the balls in his hands, because his dribble isn't strong enough to penetrate with it. Bringing up Moores size as a disadvantage doesn't really work either, because when they were on the court next to each other, Moore was way bigger than Bradley.
I don't think people are forgetting anything.
And I think your assessment on Bradley is completely wrong. He can blow by people and his handle on his right hand is excellent. His left is awful, however. And he has tremendous lateral and first step speed to create separation for shots and get himself open for cuts. His hands are also very good when passed to which makes his cuts lethal.