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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: Eddie20 on February 28, 2012, 07:51:02 AM
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Let me start by saying, I know he's an idiot. At least that's the image that has been presented. However, he is big, young (only 25), and talented. His contract is decent around 7.7M per year, but it does take up some of our cap room and it runs until 2015. We also know Ainge is not afraid of taking chances on players of questionable character (Marbury, West, etc.) Plus, it appears that Blatche is available for next to nothing (see below). So if JO is out for the year because of his left hand injury, or even if he is not, do you trade JO's expiring contract for the potential of Blatche, a player who just last season averaged 16.8 PPG and 8.3 RPG? Would the presence of our veteran players and of a well respected coach be enough to keep him in check? Is it worth the gamble?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wizards-insider/post/wizards-at-halftime-part-ii-can-they-trade-andray-blatche-by-march-15/2012/02/27/gIQAZwx5dR_blog.html
The Wizards have aggressively tried to deal Blatche in advance of the March 15 trade deadline, according to multiple league sources, but struggled to find any takers. Blatche is certainly open to a change of scenery, according to a person close to him.
The team discussed dealing Blatche to Charlotte last month for Tyrus Thomas but were rejected, according to two people with knowledge of the situation. Blatche is still owed nearly $23 million after this season, and rival teams have expressed concern about his conditioning and character.
After failing to generate much interest last season, when he averaged 16.8 points and 8.3 rebounds, the Wizards realize they face a more serious challenge trying to deal him now, when he has regressed and struggled to stay healthy.
They also understand they have to convince only one team to take a chance on a player who has shown several flashes of his ability in recent years. But as one person with knowledge of the team’s thinking shared recently, if they are unable to move Blatche at the deadline or in the offseason, they still have the amnesty clause at their disposal (Rashard Lewis can be bought out next season for $10 million).
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No. He is hurting the development of the Wizards team. He is openly soft. He will not listen to coaches. He is extremely selfish.
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He's a headcase and I'm pretty sure he has a Chinese tattoo that he thinks says something like "strength" that actually says something like "boat"
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Yes -- if Danny can do it without giving up anything of importance to make it happen.
Expiring deals. No draft picks. That would be my offer. I'd like Danny to keep JO too ... to have a physical post defender off the bench (if that is possible, is it?).
Maybe Wilcox and Dooling? Does that get close to Blatche's salary?
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Andray Blatche -- as a starting center (Blatche's best position, not PF where is forced to play so they can give McGee minutes) alongside Rondo, Pierce, Garnett and Ray or Pietrus -- would give the Celtics a major offensive upgrade.
Blatche is one of the most talented offensive fives in the league and would flourish (offensively) alongside Rondo's playmaking and the Big Three's floor spacing. Major upgrade to Boston's offense.
His talent is well worth the gamble if the asking price is low enough.
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If this were at last year's trade deadline, when we had a strong, contending team with locker room leadership, I might consider it. This year, as we're probably about to enter rebuilding? No thanks; I doubt Blatche would behave any more here than he has in Washington.
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Wizards can't give away Blatche. Only way I'd even consider him is in the off-season, Boston swung a deal for Blatche like trading a trade exception to Washington. Then for taking back Blatche's contract, the Wizards send a top 3 protected pick.
Blatche is not a 'low-risk, high-reward' gamble. If he doesn't work out, you're on the hook for his 7M/per contract for a long time. Heck, he's due 8.5 in 2015.
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Now, if the Wizards decided to amnesty Blatche in the off-season, I might put in a small (sub-$3 million) bid on him, just because his talent is worth it.
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Andray Blatche -- as a starting center (Blatche's best position, not PF where is forced to play so they can give McGee minutes) alongside Rondo, Pierce, Garnett and Ray or Pietrus -- would give the Celtics a major offensive upgrade.
Blatche is one of the most talented offensive fives in the league and would flourish (offensively) alongside Rondo's playmaking and the Big Three's floor spacing. Major upgrade to Boston's offense.
His talent is well worth the gamble if the asking price is low enough.
Blatche can't play C because he is afraid of contact.
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No. He is hurting the development of the Wizards team. He is openly soft. He will not listen to coaches. He is extremely selfish.
Well, to be fair it's not like the Wizards have had Red or Wooden coaching him either. I wonder how Rondo's career would have gone if he had been coached by the following "leaders":
Eddie Jordan
Ed Tapscott
Flip Saunders
Randy Wittman
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Here is my Blatche proposal. I have no idea if Washington would do this, but I would.
Garnett & Stiemsa (for salary - I might include Johnson or Bradley if they wanted them and that was a deal breaker)
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Lewis, Blatche, 2012 unprotected 1st
The Celtics take on a ton of future salary, but get a high draft pick in the upcoming draft.
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No Blatche...
He and magee both lack the Bball IQ to ever win and they are hurting Walls development.
Washington needs to get rid of Blatche, either trade him for nothing of amnesty him. Then they need to either trade Magee or just let him walk.
There core to build around should be Wall, Jan Vesely, and there 2012 pick (Sullinger would fit nicely with those other 2). Then they need to get some solid veterans on that team to help Wall reach his potential.
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Here is my Blatche proposal. I have no idea if Washington would do this, but I would.
Garnett & Stiemsa (for salary - I might include Johnson or Bradley if they wanted them and that was a deal breaker)
for
Lewis, Blatche, 2012 unprotected 1st
The Celtics take on a ton of future salary, but get a high draft pick in the upcoming draft.
How about blatche and a top 3 protected first for jo?
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Here is my Blatche proposal. I have no idea if Washington would do this, but I would.
Garnett & Stiemsa (for salary - I might include Johnson or Bradley if they wanted them and that was a deal breaker)
for
Lewis, Blatche, 2012 unprotected 1st
The Celtics take on a ton of future salary, but get a high draft pick in the upcoming draft.
Boston not taking on anywhere near enough salary for that to be worthwhile for Washington.
That first round pick is far more valuable.
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Garnett & Stiemsa (for salary - I might include Johnson or Bradley if they wanted them and that was a deal breaker)
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Lewis, Blatche, 2012 unprotected 1st
I would do that if we could then amnesty Blatche, I would also include our 1st and allow washington to make the pick top 5 protected this year and top 3 protected the years after.
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Here is my Blatche proposal. I have no idea if Washington would do this, but I would.
Garnett & Stiemsa (for salary - I might include Johnson or Bradley if they wanted them and that was a deal breaker)
for
Lewis, Blatche, 2012 unprotected 1st
The Celtics take on a ton of future salary, but get a high draft pick in the upcoming draft.
Boston not taking on anywhere near enough salary for that to be worthwhile for Washington.
That first round pick is far more valuable.
I figured. I wonder if we sent back a pick or even both our picks if that might make it more palatable for them. Or perhaps top 3 protection (and then unprotected next year).
I would love to get a very high pick this summer.
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Yes -- if Danny can do it without giving up anything of importance to make it happen.
Expiring deals. No draft picks. That would be my offer. I'd like Danny to keep JO too ... to have a physical post defender off the bench (if that is possible, is it?).
Maybe Wilcox and Dooling? Does that get close to Blatche's salary?
Dude why not JO...?
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no, run away screaming from this guy
if he offered to pay us to let him play I'd still say no
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Here is my Blatche proposal. I have no idea if Washington would do this, but I would.
Garnett & Stiemsa (for salary - I might include Johnson or Bradley if they wanted them and that was a deal breaker)
for
Lewis, Blatche, 2012 unprotected 1st
The Celtics take on a ton of future salary, but get a high draft pick in the upcoming draft.
Boston not taking on anywhere near enough salary for that to be worthwhile for Washington.
That first round pick is far more valuable.
I figured. I wonder if we sent back a pick or even both our picks if that might make it more palatable for them. Or perhaps top 3 protection (and then unprotected next year).
I would love to get a very high pick this summer.
And then waive Blatche before he can walk through the door.
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If this were at last year's trade deadline, when we had a strong, contending team with locker room leadership, I might consider it. This year, as we're probably about to enter rebuilding? No thanks; I doubt Blatche would behave any more here than he has in Washington.
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Here is my Blatche proposal. I have no idea if Washington would do this, but I would.
Garnett & Stiemsa (for salary - I might include Johnson or Bradley if they wanted them and that was a deal breaker)
for
Lewis, Blatche, 2012 unprotected 1st
The Celtics take on a ton of future salary, but get a high draft pick in the upcoming draft.
Boston not taking on anywhere near enough salary for that to be worthwhile for Washington.
That first round pick is far more valuable.
That's almost $50M in salary. That's a lot of salary to take on for just a draft pick.
I'd think about Ray for Blatche and Young if I thought I could get through to Blatche.
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no, run away screaming from this guy
if he offered to pay us to let him play I'd still say no
A little extreme, but I like extremes
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Yes -- if Danny can do it without giving up anything of importance to make it happen.
Expiring deals. No draft picks. That would be my offer. I'd like Danny to keep JO too ... to have a physical post defender off the bench (if that is possible, is it?).
Maybe Wilcox and Dooling? Does that get close to Blatche's salary?
Dude why not JO...?
Why not trade JO for Blatche?
As I said, to keep a physical post defender on the bench.
The Celtics front-line would get quite small with Blatche starting at center. Garnett as a four and backup five. Wilcox and Bass as backup fours. Stiemsma, third string center, who gets pushed around fairly easily.
I think Jermaine O'Neal's defensive skill-set would be a valuable option off the bench given the presence of Blatche, Garnett and Bass. He provides more of a physical presence than those guys do. A nice option for the coaching staff to be able to call upon where necessary off the bench. A more valuable option than what Wilcox' skill-set provides with Garnett, Blatche and Bass ahead of him in the big man rotation.
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I'd think about Ray for Blatche and Young if I thought I could get through to Blatche.
I'd love to trade Ray Allen for Nick Young.
I think N.Young could be a really nice long term piece as a starting two alongside Rajon Rondo.
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I'd think about Ray for Blatche and Young if I thought I could get through to Blatche.
I'd love to trade Ray Allen for Nick Young.
I think N.Young could be a really nice long term piece as a starting two alongside Rajon Rondo.
No Nick Young. He has no clue how to play in the NBA. He can shoot.
At best, he can be a shooter off the bench on a good team. A 2nd swingman on the bench.
The three Wiz that throw up Stats I do not want to see (and Wiz fans can't wait to leave) are Blatche, McGee and Young.
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I'd think about Ray for Blatche and Young if I thought I could get through to Blatche.
I'd love to trade Ray Allen for Nick Young.
I think N.Young could be a really nice long term piece as a starting two alongside Rajon Rondo.
No Nick Young. He has no clue how to play in the NBA. He can shoot.
At best, he can be a shooter off the bench on a good team. A 2nd swingman on the bench.
The three Wiz that throw up Stats I do not want to see (and Wiz fans can't wait to leave) are Blatche, McGee and Young.
The three together -- I have no interest in.
As an individual pieces, I think they have some value.
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I'd think about Ray for Blatche and Young if I thought I could get through to Blatche.
I'd love to trade Ray Allen for Nick Young.
I think N.Young could be a really nice long term piece as a starting two alongside Rajon Rondo.
LOL, dude, what is your fascination with the Wizards scrubs? Blatche, Nick freakin' Young? Do you know who Nick Young is? He is Todd Day.
Young couldn't get a contract on the open market and went running back with his tail tucked between his legs to take the Wizards' qualifying offer.
There is no one on the Wizards roster I want. They are all losers, clueless morons. Even John Wall is turning into a shameless gunner. He is going to be a bit of a reclamation project himself now, as he has no chance to succeed there.
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There is no one on the Wizards roster I want. They are all losers, clueless morons. Even John Wall is turning into a shameless gunner. He is going to be a bit of a reclamation project himself now, as he has no chance to succeed there.
I mostly agree with you about Young, but from what I've seen of the Wiz (not much) I think Trevor Booker looks like a nice, solid player. Unfortunately I think the Wiz agree and it's one reason they're pushing so hard to move Blatche.
On topic for the thread, I don't want Blatche here and I doubt Danny does either, with the money he's owed going forward. He's shown nothing but the ability to put up some volume production on a horrible team, which is true of dozens and dozens of guys out there with better attitudes and work ethics.
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I'd think about Ray for Blatche and Young if I thought I could get through to Blatche.
I'd love to trade Ray Allen for Nick Young.
I think N.Young could be a really nice long term piece as a starting two alongside Rajon Rondo.
LOL, dude, what is your fascination with the Wizards scrubs? Blatche, Nick freakin' Young? Do you know who Nick Young is? He is Todd Day.
Young couldn't get a contract on the open market and went running back with his tail tucked between his legs to take the Wizards' qualifying offer.
There is no one on the Wizards roster I want. They are all losers, clueless morons. Even John Wall is turning into a shameless gunner. He is going to be a bit of a reclamation project himself now, as he has no chance to succeed there.
Asking a Nick Young or an Andray Blatche to be one of your top three players is a recipe for disaster.
Asking one of them to be your 4th-6th best player, in the right situation, could work out quite well.
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I'd think about Ray for Blatche and Young if I thought I could get through to Blatche.
I'd love to trade Ray Allen for Nick Young.
I think N.Young could be a really nice long term piece as a starting two alongside Rajon Rondo.
LOL, dude, what is your fascination with the Wizards scrubs? Blatche, Nick freakin' Young? Do you know who Nick Young is? He is Todd Day.
Young couldn't get a contract on the open market and went running back with his tail tucked between his legs to take the Wizards' qualifying offer.
There is no one on the Wizards roster I want. They are all losers, clueless morons. Even John Wall is turning into a shameless gunner. He is going to be a bit of a reclamation project himself now, as he has no chance to succeed there.
I would still take Wall, but give him better players to play with. He is a PG that needs good weapons, not just chuckers.
I like Booker as a guy deep on the bench. He will give you effort but he has limited NBA level physical skills.
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I'd think about Ray for Blatche and Young if I thought I could get through to Blatche.
I'd love to trade Ray Allen for Nick Young.
I think N.Young could be a really nice long term piece as a starting two alongside Rajon Rondo.
LOL, dude, what is your fascination with the Wizards scrubs? Blatche, Nick freakin' Young? Do you know who Nick Young is? He is Todd Day.
Young couldn't get a contract on the open market and went running back with his tail tucked between his legs to take the Wizards' qualifying offer.
There is no one on the Wizards roster I want. They are all losers, clueless morons. Even John Wall is turning into a shameless gunner. He is going to be a bit of a reclamation project himself now, as he has no chance to succeed there.
Asking a Nick Young or an Andray Blatche to be one of your top three players is a recipe for disaster.
Asking one of them to be your 4th-6th best player, in the right situation, could work out quite well.
Right situation being a defensive orientated team with strong leadership that is likely offensively challenged and needs to rely more heavily on scoring contributions from it's role players than other teams do.
Teams with dominant facilitator type stars instead of scorers. Dwight Howard vs Kobe Bryant.
I would have loved to have seen Orlando (Dwight Howard) find a way to get Nick Young. He would've been a better long term signing than Jason Richardson.
Or in Boston's case, Rajon Rondo -- a facilitator who may need more offensively talented role players than other stars do if Boston struggle to put offensively talented enough star quality players around him.
I'd particularly love Nick Young's fit on a Rajon Rondo + Dwight Howard led Boston Celtics team.
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Yes -- if Danny can do it without giving up anything of importance to make it happen.
Expiring deals. No draft picks. That would be my offer. I'd like Danny to keep JO too ... to have a physical post defender off the bench (if that is possible, is it?).
Maybe Wilcox and Dooling? Does that get close to Blatche's salary?
IMO the only way you even consider it is if KG is going to be around (plus you don't trade much). Blatche needs accountability and needs a veteran big man to provide it. Someone he respects..
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Blatche is extremely versatile on the offensive end as he can post up is semi athletic nd can shoot the mid range jumper and 3 pointers. He just is outta shape doesnt listen to coaches nd is an alchoholic tht DC nightlife is makin things worse for him. If he comes here (which I doubt) I think he would listen to KG nd maximize his talents. my viewpoint is if we dont have to give up too much why not aint like we in the market for a big time free agent next year anyway
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Yes -- if Danny can do it without giving up anything of importance to make it happen.
Expiring deals. No draft picks. That would be my offer. I'd like Danny to keep JO too ... to have a physical post defender off the bench (if that is possible, is it?).
Maybe Wilcox and Dooling? Does that get close to Blatche's salary?
IMO the only way you even consider it is if KG is going to be around (plus you don't trade much). Blatche needs accountability and needs a veteran big man to provide it. Someone he respects..
Yeah, I think so too. Fully agree.
Someone else in another thread said Beasley or Blatche is a rebuilding move. I agree with that viewpoint on Beasley but disagree on Blatche. I would view Blatche solely as a win-now move and have no interest in him as a rebuilding piece.
My sole interest in him is as an offensively orientated center alongside an elite defensive PF which only makes sense while Kevin Garnett remains on the team. Once KG goes, Blatche should soon follow.
It'll be too hard to (1) rebuild with such an immature and destructive force in the locker room (2) build a defensive orientated team with Blatche at center without a KG-like defensive presence at PF (which would be pretty much impossible to replace).
With Blatche's value to Boston as an offensive orientated center due to the Celtics (1) so-so offense which Blatche could add to considerably to, and, (2) Boston's inability to acquire a superior starting five elsewhere.
That is my thinking on it anyway.
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If this were at last year's trade deadline, when we had a strong, contending team with locker room leadership, I might consider it. This year, as we're probably about to enter rebuilding? No thanks; I doubt Blatche would behave any more here than he has in Washington.
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not a chance i would go after this guy... Especially with 23 million remaining on his contract after this year as the quite in the OT says.
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Emphatically no! He has the worst contract in the league for what he produces.
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Emphatically no! He has the worst contract in the league for what he produces.
Really? Worse than Lewis' 22M for his 7.8 ppg and 3.9 rpg on 38% shooting? I think you're exaggerating a bit.
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Emphatically no! He has the worst contract in the league for what he produces.
Really? Worse than Lewis' 22M for his 7.8 ppg and 3.9 rpg on 38% shooting? I think you're exaggerating a bit.
He averaged 17/8 last year too.
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No. He is hurting the development of the Wizards team. He is openly soft. He will not listen to coaches. He is extremely selfish.
Well, to be fair it's not like the Wizards have had Red or Wooden coaching him either. I wonder how Rondo's career would have gone if he had been coached by the following "leaders":
Eddie Jordan
Ed Tapscott
Flip Saunders
Randy Wittman
Sure there's no HOF coaches on that list, but that's still 4 coaches who couldn't reach him.
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No. He is hurting the development of the Wizards team. He is openly soft. He will not listen to coaches. He is extremely selfish.
Well, to be fair it's not like the Wizards have had Red or Wooden coaching him either. I wonder how Rondo's career would have gone if he had been coached by the following "leaders":
Eddie Jordan
Ed Tapscott
Flip Saunders
Randy Wittman
Sure there's no HOF coaches on that list, but that's still 4 coaches who couldn't reach him.
I know, but when you talk about putting a questionable guy in in a questionable situation it would be this one. Not only were the coaches bad, but Arenas was basically the leader of those Wizard teams during the majority of Blatche's career
I bring up Rondo again because of his known difficult personality. Rondo had issues in college with Tubby Smith and has had some flare ups with Doc. This despite being flanked by veteran leaders throughout his career. Now imagine if Rondo had gone to Washington under those coaches and had the guidance of Arenas. I wonder how Blatche would have been regarded if he had played alongside KG since 2007.
Again, I'm not excusing Blatche, but sometimes the right situation can make a world of difference.
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Yes -- if Danny can do it without giving up anything of importance to make it happen.
Expiring deals. No draft picks. That would be my offer. I'd like Danny to keep JO too ... to have a physical post defender off the bench (if that is possible, is it?).
Maybe Wilcox and Dooling? Does that get close to Blatche's salary?
IMO the only way you even consider it is if KG is going to be around (plus you don't trade much). Blatche needs accountability and needs a veteran big man to provide it. Someone he respects..
That Garnett accountability thing is the most overrated argument of all arguments for or against in this thread.
RE: Mark Blount. Ricky Davis. Jermaine O'Neal. etc....The fearsome Garnett hasn't stopped them from tanking...(Or in Ricky's case...Just being Ricky) on his watch.
There's something to be said for leading by example.. But Blatche is either going to play hard or he's not.
Is it worth gambling 22+ million to see if all he needed was a different environment?
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Yes -- if Danny can do it without giving up anything of importance to make it happen.
Expiring deals. No draft picks. That would be my offer. I'd like Danny to keep JO too ... to have a physical post defender off the bench (if that is possible, is it?).
Maybe Wilcox and Dooling? Does that get close to Blatche's salary?
IMO the only way you even consider it is if KG is going to be around (plus you don't trade much). Blatche needs accountability and needs a veteran big man to provide it. Someone he respects..
That Garnett accountability thing is the most overrated argument of all arguments for or against in this thread.
RE: Mark Blount. Ricky Davis. Jermaine O'Neal. etc....The fearsome Garnett hasn't stopped them from tanking...(Or in Ricky's case...Just being Ricky) on his watch.
There's something to be said for leading by example.. But Blatche is either going to play hard or he's not.
Is it worth gambling 22+ million to see if all he needed was a different environment?
It's really not but thanks for playing anyway. If you're going to give examples give valid examples. Blount and Davis did not play with KG so that doesn't make sense. Blount and Davis did not play with a winning team in Boston (which is huge as far as accountability) and as far as O'Neal goes, his attitude with Boston has never been in question by most people, it's whether or not he can stay healthy and if he has anything left in the tank.
A better example would be the Chief when he joined Boston, he had a bad attitude or at least a bad rep and wasn't considered a player that played hard. The accountability of Kevin and Larry as well as others changed things...
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Very little interest in Blatche. Skilled but terribly inefficient. Reminds me of Baby.
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Im a big believer of the "Blatche just needs a change of scenery". As Sir Roy always told me when I drafted him in the CB and Pick two draft, the dude has talent but needs to be straighten up. And I believe he will be straightened up here.
For a guy who, when focused, can tally a solid 16 points 8 rebounds a night, why not. Booker is playing great for the Wiz and Vesely is a project that is looking okay to good so far. Washington has all the right reasons to move Blatche. Now is it gonna cost us Bass? Then nevermind. But if it's gonna cost us say JO's expiring deal (seriously that's pretty much his value), a pick maybe the Clips 1st, then I believe it's worth a shot.
He's lazy on defense, selfish and a chucker, we know all these things. But I believe if he lands here in Boston he'll have a different view of the game. He'll be willing to do stuff because he's winning. I believe the vets and Doc could get him straightened up. The talent is there. And his contract is pretty reasonable (6,7,8 million).
For me, as long as it doesn't involve any from the starting 5 and Bass and the earlier pick, it's worth a shot.
Been seeing the name @DrayBaltche on Celticsblog.com trade ideas. Can I pull off green? #KGmightbullyme
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Emphatically no! He has the worst contract in the league for what he produces.
Really? Worse than Lewis' 22M for his 7.8 ppg and 3.9 rpg on 38% shooting? I think you're exaggerating a bit.
He averaged 17/8 last year too.
I gave each of you a Tommy Point for bothering to look up Andrey Blatches statistics. Now he impresses my as a poor man's Curtis Rowe and the old schoolers will know who I am talking about. He was out PF/SF before Larry Bird and once said there are no wins and losses on my paycheck. The guy is a Loser.