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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Green Pride on February 21, 2012, 01:33:55 PM
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While Rondo trade talk is rampant right now, Danny always: a) takes the long view; b) tries to grow his assets; c) is not sentimental about his players.
With that in mind, a Pierce trade is coming. Given the difficulty of bringing free agents to Boston, you'd have to think that Danny's strategy over the next couple years is going to be to stockpile young assets and picks, and either wait for them to get good, or, more likely, cash them back in for star-level veteran players who don't fit in their current homes.
If you think about that way, having Pierce and Rondo for the next two years really makes no sense -- it improves your record, which worsens your position in the lottery -- and it wastes Pierce's last two years without getting anything back.
On the other hand, if you trade Pierce now, you could get a couple young guys + picks, which both accelerates the rebuilding process, and makes you worse next year, which gives you another good pick.
I think he'll try to do the same with Allen and Garnett, but the challenge there will be not to take back bad contracts. But my guess is that come March 16th, we will have a very different roster than we do today.
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I don't doubt that Danny will try. I'm not entirely sure what kinds of deals will actually be out there, though.
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If you think about that way, having Pierce and Rondo for the next two years really makes no sense -- it improves your record, which worsens your position in the lottery -- and it wastes Pierce's last two years without getting anything back.
Rebuilding with Pierce and Rondo in the roster will be a faster return to contendership than turning the team into the Washington Wizards.
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You can start this post about every player on the Celtics at this point.
I do agree Pierce might be one of the more likely ones to actually be traded.
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I don't think so.
Wyc tipped his hand during a broadcast with Mike, though, saying they'd have room for two max guys this summer. The only way I can figure that is by amnestying Pierce.
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You can start this post about every player on the Celtics at this point.
I do agree Pierce might be one of the more likely ones to actually be traded.
Yeah, I think every player is on the table, but Pierce makes the most sense for a number of reasons. He's easily the most valuable member of the Big 3, and also the youngest of the 3 (or should I say least old).
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I don't think so.
Wyc tipped his hand during a broadcast with Mike, though, saying they'd have room for two max guys this summer. The only way I can figure that is by amnestying Pierce.
Or by trading him for expiring contracts.
There's also the distinct possibility that Wyc just doesn't really understand the cap all that well.
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Wow man please change the title or something, lol... :)
I've already prepared myself mentally for Danny to trade just about anyone at this point, but that still doesn't mean it won't shock me.
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Wow man please change the title or something, lol... :)
I've already prepared myself mentally for Danny to trade just about anyone at this point, but that still doesn't mean it won't shock me.
I'm trying to make it easier for you when it happens -- prepare yourself.
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Wow man please change the title or something, lol... :)
I've already prepared myself mentally for Danny to trade just about anyone at this point, but that still doesn't mean it won't shock me.
I'm trying to make it easier for you when it happens -- prepare yourself.
Good point.
I guess that after Febuary of last year, nothing should surprise me anymore.
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Wow man please change the title or something, lol... :)
I've already prepared myself mentally for Danny to trade just about anyone at this point, but that still doesn't mean it won't shock me.
I'm trying to make it easier for you when it happens -- prepare yourself.
Good point.
I guess that after Febuary of last year, nothing should surprise me anymore.
Last February was just the appetizer. I'm guessing once we get full swing into rebuilding, a lot of fans will be shocked by the rapid change.
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I don't think so.
Wyc tipped his hand during a broadcast with Mike, though, saying they'd have room for two max guys this summer. The only way I can figure that is by amnestying Pierce.
Or by trading him for expiring contracts.
There's also the distinct possibility that Wyc just doesn't really understand the cap all that well.
Wyc didn't get that rich by not paying attention to the numbers. He can't do talent evals like Danny, but I'd guess he has the numbers side of things down pat.
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Wow man please change the title or something, lol... :)
I've already prepared myself mentally for Danny to trade just about anyone at this point, but that still doesn't mean it won't shock me.
I'm trying to make it easier for you when it happens -- prepare yourself.
Good point.
I guess that after Febuary of last year, nothing should surprise me anymore.
Last February was just the appetizer. I'm guessing once we get full swing into rebuilding, a lot of fans will be shocked by the rapid change.
At this point, I'd be happy with a return of this guy, somehow:
(https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQxCJuTo8Je64xZyiI6oqu70FR6L0nwwkO2rxdMQzTw0V043n8pXw)
Even after Kobe's statements, Mitch has let it be known that Pau is still on the table.
I still believe that Danny isn't giving up on this year, though....I have no clue about what it would take to get Pau, or if what we are giving up would be too great, but....I trust Danny with whatever happens at this point.
Who knows - this team could also get Bass, KG and everyone else back healthy...go on a 10-15 game win streak, right into the trade deadline...Danny could turn down trade offers based off of this scenario, and we'd all be happy.
I'm still optimistic.
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Danny needs to make some kind of move. If he can get serious quality youth prospects for any of our players, I'm ready (for the first time) to move them. I'm not sure I see that happening though... the only thing I can come close to imagining is a Pierce-Gay deal where perhaps we also send some depth at another position like Bass.
If he can't get youth, then I feel that Danny NEEDS to make a move that helps us make one final push this season. Pau? Fine. Finishing the season with this current roster is the last thing I want to happen.
I'm all for trading Rondo personally. He is 26 tomorrow and how long does rebuilding take? If it takes 5 years to reach the point of contention, then by the time we are contending, then this pg we are "building around" will be 31 years old... a 31 point point guard who's game is currently built around athleticism. :-\ If he can develop a jump shot like J-Kidd has, then he could still be effective at that stage of his career. But I don't have faith in that happening.
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Danny needs to make some kind of move. If he can get serious quality youth prospects for any of our players, I'm ready (for the first time) to move them. I'm not sure I see that happening though... the only thing I can come close to imagining is a Pierce-Gay deal where perhaps we also send some depth at another position like Bass.
If he can't get youth, then I feel that Danny NEEDS to make a move that helps us make one final push this season. Pau? Fine. Finishing the season with this current roster is the last thing I want to happen.
I'm all for trading Rondo personally. He is 26 tomorrow and how long does rebuilding take? If it takes 5 years to reach the point of contention, then by the time we are contending, then this pg we are "building around" will be 31 years old... a 31 point point guard who's game is currently built around athleticism. :-\ If he can develop a jump shot like J-Kidd has, then he could still be effective at that stage of his career. But I don't have faith in that happening.
He could still be athletic at 31...Dwyane Wade is 30 and he is just as fast as ever.
Honestly, you can't look at someone who just turned 26 and say "Yeah but he'll be too old in 6 years when we are good again, so lets trade him." Seems silly.
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On the other hand, if you trade Pierce now, you could get a couple young guys + picks
from whom? what team is giving us a package of picks and young guys for Paul Pierce?
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I don't think so.
Wyc tipped his hand during a broadcast with Mike, though, saying they'd have room for two max guys this summer. The only way I can figure that is by amnestying Pierce.
Or by trading him for expiring contracts.
There's also the distinct possibility that Wyc just doesn't really understand the cap all that well.
Wyc didn't get that rich by not paying attention to the numbers. He can't do talent evals like Danny, but I'd guess he has the numbers side of things down pat.
I'd guess you're right about that.
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On the other hand, if you trade Pierce now, you could get a couple young guys + picks
from whom? what team is giving us a package of picks and young guys for Paul Pierce?
Houston seems like a natural fit. A huge pile of substantial expiring rookie contracts (Thabeet, Flynn, Hill, T-Will, Dragic, Lee) and some other young guys, plus a pretty giant hole where a starting-quality SF should be. Pierce would definitely elevate that team into a more serious playoff contender. Their core (Lowry, Martin, Scola, Dalembert) would all be locked up for another year, as well, making it a smooth fit.
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I don't think so.
Wyc tipped his hand during a broadcast with Mike, though, saying they'd have room for two max guys this summer. The only way I can figure that is by amnestying Pierce.
Or by trading him for expiring contracts.
There's also the distinct possibility that Wyc just doesn't really understand the cap all that well.
Wyc didn't get that rich by not paying attention to the numbers. He can't do talent evals like Danny, but I'd guess he has the numbers side of things down pat.
I'd guess you're right about that.
Eh, Wyc just likes to get everyone excited about free agency. Remember when he said the C's would be able to sign a max free agent the year Pierce opted out?
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On the other hand, if you trade Pierce now, you could get a couple young guys + picks
from whom? what team is giving us a package of picks and young guys for Paul Pierce?
Houston seems like a natural fit. A huge pile of substantial expiring rookie contracts (Thabeet, Flynn, Hill, T-Will, Dragic, Lee) and some other young guys, plus a pretty giant hole where a starting-quality SF should be. Pierce would definitely elevate that team into a more serious playoff contender. Their core (Lowry, Martin, Scola, Dalembert) would all be locked up for another year, as well, making it a smooth fit.
Houston is a good choice. Chicago for Deng plus picks. Portland? One of the challenges of this kind of a deal is that teams who are going to want him are contenders, whose picks are worth less.
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Houston seems like a natural fit. A huge pile of substantial expiring rookie contracts (Thabeet, Flynn, Hill, T-Will, Dragic, Lee) and some other young guys, plus a pretty giant hole where a starting-quality SF should be. Pierce would definitely elevate that team into a more serious playoff contender. Their core (Lowry, Martin, Scola, Dalembert) would all be locked up for another year, as well, making it a smooth fit.
I'd actually suspect that Houston wants to move Martin and promote Courtney Lee as a starter in his place. The other young guys are an unexciting bunch.
I think a more logical trade involves Pierce to Dallas, two out of Heywood/Odom/Marion being absorbed by Boston's cap space, and the Celtics getting compensated with Dominique Jones and Roddy Beaubois (plus a draft pick?), while Dallas maybe clears enough cap space to add Dwight Howard or Deron Williams.
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Houston seems like a natural fit. A huge pile of substantial expiring rookie contracts (Thabeet, Flynn, Hill, T-Will, Dragic, Lee) and some other young guys, plus a pretty giant hole where a starting-quality SF should be. Pierce would definitely elevate that team into a more serious playoff contender. Their core (Lowry, Martin, Scola, Dalembert) would all be locked up for another year, as well, making it a smooth fit.
I'd actually suspect that Houston wants to move Martin and promote Courtney Lee as a starter in his place. The other young guys are an unexciting bunch.
I think a more logical trade involves Pierce to Dallas, two out of Heywood/Odom/Marion being absorbed by Boston's cap space, and the Celtics getting compensated with Dominique Jones and Roddy Beaubois (plus a draft pick?), while Dallas maybe clears enough cap space to add Dwight Howard or Deron Williams.
Huh? Pierce and Dirk would eat enough of the cap combined to shoot the dreams of Deron/Howard down.
Pierce makes 16, Dirk makes around 20 right? That is enough to take them down to a single high level FA right there.
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Wow man please change the title or something, lol... :)
I've already prepared myself mentally for Danny to trade just about anyone at this point, but that still doesn't mean it won't shock me.
I'm trying to make it easier for you when it happens -- prepare yourself.
Good point.
I guess that after Febuary of last year, nothing should surprise me anymore.
Last February was just the appetizer. I'm guessing once we get full swing into rebuilding, a lot of fans will be shocked by the rapid change.
At this point, I'd be happy with a return of this guy, somehow:
(https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQxCJuTo8Je64xZyiI6oqu70FR6L0nwwkO2rxdMQzTw0V043n8pXw)
Even after Kobe's statements, Mitch has let it be known that Pau is still on the table.
I still believe that Danny isn't giving up on this year, though....I have no clue about what it would take to get Pau, or if what we are giving up would be too great, but....I trust Danny with whatever happens at this point.
Pau would be a great fetch for Pierce if the Lakers could be convinced.
Pierce/JO/Bass/Bradley for Pau/Barnes/Morris/trade exception might be tempting to them.
Pierce's shooting and secondary playmaking make him a better fit between Kobe and Bynum than Pau. Bass' speed and high-level jump-shooting makes him a nice pairing with Bynum. JO is a decent back-up 5. Bradley's the athletic, role-playing PG that they'll need to sick on Russell Westbrook, CP3, Tony Parker, Kyle Lowry, etc.
Rondo/Gasol would be a fantastic pairing going forward.
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I think a more logical trade involves Pierce to Dallas, two out of Heywood/Odom/Marion being absorbed by Boston's cap space, and the Celtics getting compensated with Dominique Jones and Roddy Beaubois (plus a draft pick?), while Dallas maybe clears enough cap space to add Dwight Howard or Deron Williams.
Huh? Pierce and Dirk would eat enough of the cap combined to shoot the dreams of Deron/Howard down.
Pierce makes 16, Dirk makes around 20 right? That is enough to take them down to a single high level FA right there.
There are actually scenarios out there for Dallas signing both Dwight Howard and Deron Williams that work. They involve trading Odom and either Heywood or Marion and amnestying the one that isn't traded.
I'm just positing the scenario of the Mavs ending up with Howard/Pierce or Williams/Pierce instead of Howard/Williams. (Note the use of the word "or".)
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I think a more logical trade involves Pierce to Dallas, two out of Heywood/Odom/Marion being absorbed by Boston's cap space, and the Celtics getting compensated with Dominique Jones and Roddy Beaubois (plus a draft pick?), while Dallas maybe clears enough cap space to add Dwight Howard or Deron Williams.
Huh? Pierce and Dirk would eat enough of the cap combined to shoot the dreams of Deron/Howard down.
Pierce makes 16, Dirk makes around 20 right? That is enough to take them down to a single high level FA right there.
There are actually scenarios out there for Dallas signing both Dwight Howard and Deron Williams that work. They involve trading Odom and either Heywood or Marion and amnestying the one that isn't traded.
I'm just positing the scenario of the Mavs ending up with Howard/Pierce or Williams/Pierce instead of Howard/Williams. (Note the use of the word "or".)
I don't think they have to trade Odom, his deal is only partially guarenteed. They need to buy him out, trade one of Marion/Haywood, and then amnesty the other.
So why would they give up assets to get Pierce instead of just trading Marion/Haywood to open up the two max salary slots? I don't see them having any issues moving Haywood or Marion to another team under the cap.
Only if Howard and/or Deron is already off the market would they move for Pierce, then it makes sense.
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Wow man please change the title or something, lol... :)
I've already prepared myself mentally for Danny to trade just about anyone at this point, but that still doesn't mean it won't shock me.
I'm trying to make it easier for you when it happens -- prepare yourself.
Good point.
I guess that after Febuary of last year, nothing should surprise me anymore.
Last February was just the appetizer. I'm guessing once we get full swing into rebuilding, a lot of fans will be shocked by the rapid change.
At this point, I'd be happy with a return of this guy, somehow:
(https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQxCJuTo8Je64xZyiI6oqu70FR6L0nwwkO2rxdMQzTw0V043n8pXw)
Even after Kobe's statements, Mitch has let it be known that Pau is still on the table.
I still believe that Danny isn't giving up on this year, though....I have no clue about what it would take to get Pau, or if what we are giving up would be too great, but....I trust Danny with whatever happens at this point.
Pau would be a great fetch for Pierce if the Lakers could be convinced.
Pierce/JO/Bass/Bradley for Pau/Barnes/Morris/trade exception might be tempting to them.
Pierce's shooting and secondary playmaking make him a better fit between Kobe and Bynum than Pau. Bass' speed and high-level jump-shooting makes him a nice pairing with Bynum. JO is a decent back-up 5. Bradley's the athletic, role-playing PG that they'll need to sick on Russell Westbrook, CP3, Tony Parker, Kyle Lowry, etc.
Rondo/Gasol would be a fantastic pairing going forward.
I suppose there's no way financially that we could keep Paul in this case?
I'd rather go with a Pierce/Pau/KG frontline - IF it comes to this.
I'd think that LA's main need is a PG.
We'd be left with AB and/or Moore for PG duties...I love these guys, but that scenario is a stretch.
Lord I don't want Rondo or Pierce to go, but unless BOS runs off a winning streak here I'm betting something happens here in the next few weeks.
I just don't want to be shocked like I was back in Feb 2011.
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Wow man please change the title or something, lol... :)
I've already prepared myself mentally for Danny to trade just about anyone at this point, but that still doesn't mean it won't shock me.
I'm trying to make it easier for you when it happens -- prepare yourself.
Good point.
I guess that after Febuary of last year, nothing should surprise me anymore.
Last February was just the appetizer. I'm guessing once we get full swing into rebuilding, a lot of fans will be shocked by the rapid change.
At this point, I'd be happy with a return of this guy, somehow:
(https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQxCJuTo8Je64xZyiI6oqu70FR6L0nwwkO2rxdMQzTw0V043n8pXw)
Even after Kobe's statements, Mitch has let it be known that Pau is still on the table.
I still believe that Danny isn't giving up on this year, though....I have no clue about what it would take to get Pau, or if what we are giving up would be too great, but....I trust Danny with whatever happens at this point.
Pau would be a great fetch for Pierce if the Lakers could be convinced.
Pierce/JO/Bass/Bradley for Pau/Barnes/Morris/trade exception might be tempting to them.
Pierce's shooting and secondary playmaking make him a better fit between Kobe and Bynum than Pau. Bass' speed and high-level jump-shooting makes him a nice pairing with Bynum. JO is a decent back-up 5. Bradley's the athletic, role-playing PG that they'll need to sick on Russell Westbrook, CP3, Tony Parker, Kyle Lowry, etc.
Rondo/Gasol would be a fantastic pairing going forward.
I suppose there's no way financially that we could keep Paul in this case?
I'd rather go with a Pierce/Pau/KG frontline - IF it comes to this.
I'd think that LA's main need is a PG.
We'd be left with AB and/or Moore for PG duties...I love these guys, but that scenario is a stretch.
Lord I don't want Rondo or Pierce to go, but unless BOS runs off a winning streak here I'm betting something happens here in the next few weeks.
I just don't want to be shocked like I was back in Feb 2011.
The Lakers might want Rondo (even though he'd be a terrible fit on that slow, post-up team), but if I had to choose between Paul/Pau and Rondo/Pau, I'd go with the latter: cheaper, more years together.
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I'm open to dealing Pierce, but while we're talking Lakers, I think they would much rather have Rondo out of anyone on our team.
The question is from me anyways would be like GreenFaith said; would Gasol be available in exchange?
Hopefully, both teams would go from there. And I also agree with Greenfaith on that I'd rather Rondo and keep Pierce. Assuming the premise that this is a guards' league is actually true, it'd probably be easier to replace Rondo than it would be to protect Pierce. People have mentioned Ramon Sessions. I dunno if that's doable, but it's better than nothing.
But, overall, I feel like there will be better offers out there for Rondo than for Pierce.
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You cant get much for Pierce right now.
But one prospect i seem to like is Derrick Williams from Minnesota. Great replacement. But nowhere near Pierce.
We should trade Ray for Kmart (Houston)
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Anything is possible just took on a new meaning, I suppose. Honestly, I do not care at this point who plays for the Celtics I just want them to win basketball games. If they cannot do that, then at least play with effort and passion.
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You cant get much for Pierce right now.
But one prospect i seem to like is Derrick Williams from Minnesota. Great replacement. But nowhere near Pierce.
We should trade Ray for Kmart (Houston)
We coulda done K-Mart for Ray two seasons ago. Didn't happen. Why do it now?
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I think a more logical trade involves Pierce to Dallas, two out of Heywood/Odom/Marion being absorbed by Boston's cap space, and the Celtics getting compensated with Dominique Jones and Roddy Beaubois (plus a draft pick?), while Dallas maybe clears enough cap space to add Dwight Howard or Deron Williams.
Huh? Pierce and Dirk would eat enough of the cap combined to shoot the dreams of Deron/Howard down.
Pierce makes 16, Dirk makes around 20 right? That is enough to take them down to a single high level FA right there.
There are actually scenarios out there for Dallas signing both Dwight Howard and Deron Williams that work. They involve trading Odom and either Heywood or Marion and amnestying the one that isn't traded.
I'm just positing the scenario of the Mavs ending up with Howard/Pierce or Williams/Pierce instead of Howard/Williams. (Note the use of the word "or".)
I don't think they have to trade Odom, his deal is only partially guarenteed. They need to buy him out, trade one of Marion/Haywood, and then amnesty the other.
So why would they give up assets to get Pierce instead of just trading Marion/Haywood to open up the two max salary slots? I don't see them having any issues moving Haywood or Marion to another team under the cap.
Only if Howard and/or Deron is already off the market would they move for Pierce, then it makes sense.
The theory is that they would trade the partially guaranteed contracts of Lamar Odom and Vince Carter (still guaranteed for a combined $4.4m next season) to other teams, who would then probably waive them.
I could see Howard or D-Will being off the market. Howard could decide he values the extra $30m or whatever that only Orlando can give him. There are suspicions that Daryl Morey wants to sell high on Kyle Lowry and sign Williams (who grew up in Texas).
Jones and Beaubois are assets that the Mavs might be expected to give away to grease the wheels of a salary dump of Odom/Marion/Haywood. If, instead of clearing cap space to sign a superstar, they trade for a superstar already under contract, why not?
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Houston seems like a natural fit. A huge pile of substantial expiring rookie contracts (Thabeet, Flynn, Hill, T-Will, Dragic, Lee) and some other young guys, plus a pretty giant hole where a starting-quality SF should be. Pierce would definitely elevate that team into a more serious playoff contender. Their core (Lowry, Martin, Scola, Dalembert) would all be locked up for another year, as well, making it a smooth fit.
I'd actually suspect that Houston wants to move Martin and promote Courtney Lee as a starter in his place. The other young guys are an unexciting bunch.
I think a more logical trade involves Pierce to Dallas, two out of Heywood/Odom/Marion being absorbed by Boston's cap space, and the Celtics getting compensated with Dominique Jones and Roddy Beaubois (plus a draft pick?), while Dallas maybe clears enough cap space to add Dwight Howard or Deron Williams.
That's an awful trade for the captain. We get two crappy contracts and two guys with "potential" that have been disappointing, are undersized SGs, and both need the ball. Dallas has some of the worst collection of assets in the NBA.
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You cant get much for Pierce right now.
But one prospect i seem to like is Derrick Williams from Minnesota. Great replacement. But nowhere near Pierce.
We should trade Ray for Kmart (Houston)
We coulda done K-Mart for Ray two seasons ago. Didn't happen. Why do it now?
No we tried and they didn't want too. Boston was willing. Sacramento wasn't.
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No, I believe Boston soured at it after some time.
Ok, anyways, while people are talking Lakers, Eric Pincus from Hoopsworld (yes, the same guy who broke that the C's were interested in Gasol) is having a live chat right now. Here's one thing that interested me.
Javier
Eric youre Lakers GM what do you do with the TPE & two 1st round draft picks?
Eric Pincus
Id be shopping Pau and reacting with the trade exception to fill in what isnt gotten via Gasol. Theres no clear path yet. If the return on Gasol isnt enough if LA could get Beasley, thats not a bad move. They just need a point guard in the worst way still .
So pretty much, Lakers still need a PG. So, they probably listen to a package involving Rondo for Gasol first before anything involving Pierce.
Anyways, if you wanna ask questions, here's the link:
http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-chat-with-eric-pincus-22112
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Danny needs to make some kind of move. If he can get serious quality youth prospects for any of our players, I'm ready (for the first time) to move them. I'm not sure I see that happening though... the only thing I can come close to imagining is a Pierce-Gay deal where perhaps we also send some depth at another position like Bass.
If he can't get youth, then I feel that Danny NEEDS to make a move that helps us make one final push this season. Pau? Fine. Finishing the season with this current roster is the last thing I want to happen.
I'm all for trading Rondo personally. He is 26 tomorrow and how long does rebuilding take? If it takes 5 years to reach the point of contention, then by the time we are contending, then this pg we are "building around" will be 31 years old... a 31 point point guard who's game is currently built around athleticism. :-\ If he can develop a jump shot like J-Kidd has, then he could still be effective at that stage of his career. But I don't have faith in that happening.
He could still be athletic at 31...Dwyane Wade is 30 and he is just as fast as ever.
Honestly, you can't look at someone who just turned 26 and say "Yeah but he'll be too old in 6 years when we are good again, so lets trade him." Seems silly.
Somewhat of a good point. But Wade's game isn't built completely around athleticism. We've seen games (e.g. Game (4?) in 2010) when his jumper is just on fire. Rondo has never shown anything close to that. Strength is also a big part of Wade's athleticism which helps him get to the line where he can knock down FT's at a respectable %.
And while Wade is 30, let's see where he is at age 31. And age 32. As it has been with every professional athlete we've ever seen, the decline of athleticism is about to begin. Unless he has something supplementary helping him. Players need to start adjusting their game. And hopefully Rondo can do that, but if he doesn't, I don't see him playing at a high level too much longer past 32 or so.
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If you think about that way, having Pierce and Rondo for the next two years really makes no sense -- it improves your record, which worsens your position in the lottery -- and it wastes Pierce's last two years without getting anything back.
Rebuilding with Pierce and Rondo in the roster will be a faster return to contendership than turning the team into the Washington Wizards.
Yup. I'm not convinced by trade possibilities and FA options that this will be a simple transition. Rondo can turn more nash or parker like without the big three (at least KG and ray gone).
Add a quality big through FA next year is a much better fit with Pierce and Rondo still around.
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Houston seems like a natural fit. A huge pile of substantial expiring rookie contracts (Thabeet, Flynn, Hill, T-Will, Dragic, Lee) and some other young guys, plus a pretty giant hole where a starting-quality SF should be. Pierce would definitely elevate that team into a more serious playoff contender. Their core (Lowry, Martin, Scola, Dalembert) would all be locked up for another year, as well, making it a smooth fit.
I'd actually suspect that Houston wants to move Martin and promote Courtney Lee as a starter in his place. The other young guys are an unexciting bunch.
I think a more logical trade involves Pierce to Dallas, two out of Heywood/Odom/Marion being absorbed by Boston's cap space, and the Celtics getting compensated with Dominique Jones and Roddy Beaubois (plus a draft pick?), while Dallas maybe clears enough cap space to add Dwight Howard or Deron Williams.
That's an awful trade for the captain. We get two crappy contracts and two guys with "potential" that have been disappointing, are undersized SGs, and both need the ball. Dallas has some of the worst collection of assets in the NBA.
It's still better than any package of non-Lee young players from Houston.
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Maybe send him to Utah for one of their early picks + Millsap or something.
Chicago would give us Deng+ their pick from the bobcats.
Would be great if we would move him plus our two first round picks for a higher spot in the draft.
Utah would work quite well as long as they didn't make the playoffs, and if they did get Pierce in March, they probably make the playoffs, so arggg.
Would the Nets take Pierce to play with Howard and Williams if we asked for their 2013 first rounder?
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Maybe send him to Utah for one of their early picks + Millsap or something.
Chicago would give us Deng+ their pick from the bobcats.
Would be great if we would move him plus our two first round picks for a higher spot in the draft.
Utah would work quite well as long as they didn't make the playoffs, and if they did get Pierce in March, they probably make the playoffs, so arggg.
Would the Nets take Pierce to play with Howard and Williams if we asked for their 2013 first rounder?
If DA could get Deng and Bobcat pick I hope he dives on that one.
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I want no part of Gasol or any other Laker reject.
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Ok. And why?..
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Pierce might be the most shopped but I cant see him anywhere but Green at this point in his career.
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I never want Pierce traded unless he asked to be.
Don't really care if it sets us back a little.
Besides the obvious reasons for me not wanting to trade I really don't think we could get anything THAT enticing for him. We would have to get a significant package for him and I don't think a team would be willing to do that. Plus he still has 2 more years after this at pretty high money correct?
I also think people exagerate danny and him pulling the trigger way too much. People referencing the Perk deal and comparing it to Pierce is laughable. Not even close to the same thing. And just because Ainge said that he would have traded the old big three 20+ years ago in one interview does not mean that he is just going to trade Pierce just to prove to people that he was serious about making a "rational" decision like that.
I just don't seem him actively trying to trade Pierce to get some sort of even value for a guy thats MAYBE close to his value. Yeah if someone blows him away with an offer but he is not going to be begging a gm to take him for like Monta Ellis or something.
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I want no part of Gasol or any other Laker reject.
Did you puke at all when ex-Lakers Shaquille O'Neal and Von Wafer were on the roster last season?
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I want no part of Gasol or any other Laker reject.
I woulda bought this if Gasol played like a reject against us in Boston. I also have a hard time believing you think he sucks so much that you wouldn't have a different opinion on him if he weren't a Laker.
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The only people who will get traded (if any) are Bradley, Moore, Johnson and Stiemsma.
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The only people who will get traded (if any) are Bradley, Moore, Johnson and Stiemsma.
Do they have any real trade value?
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The only people who will get traded (if any) are Bradley, Moore, Johnson and Stiemsma.
Do they have any real trade value?
I think Johnson and Avery do...JJJ more-so.
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The only people who will get traded (if any) are Bradley, Moore, Johnson and Stiemsma.
Do they have any real trade value?
They have youth, athleticism and upside. Maybe we can pry an under-performing 7 footer.
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The only people who will get traded (if any) are Bradley, Moore, Johnson and Stiemsma.
Do they have any real trade value?
They have youth, athleticism and upside. Maybe we can pry an under-performing 7 footer.
I think Avery is the only one of them that has clearly proven an NBA-level talent. Maybe Stiemsma, but he's kind of limited for a team to bother trading for him.
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One thing to keep in mind is that Pierce's agent, Jeff Schwartz, is also the agent for Deron Williams, Kevin Love, Blake Griffin, and other superstars. This does not mean the C's would have any advantage at signing any of these guys...but it does mean that Danny is not going to do anything to anger Pierce or his agent.
So, in other words, if Pierce is going to be traded, it will essentially be his call.
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I'm against trading Pierce but I like predicting trades so...
Pierce
for
Josh Smith
For the sole reason that Josh Smith is friends with Dwight Howard and Rondo. Josh Smith would excel in a fast break atmosphere, right?
Why would ATL do it? Leadership? They're not getting any allstars to sign in free agency.
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I'm against trading Pierce but I like predicting trades so...
Pierce
for
Josh Smith
For the sole reason that Josh Smith is friends with Dwight Howard and Rondo. Josh Smith would excel in a fast break atmosphere, right?
Why would ATL do it? Leadership? They're not getting any allstars to sign in free agency.
I wouldn't be upset about that.
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Lakers reject? The are 6 games over .500, Boston is a game under... they have a winning team. The Celtics have a bunch of rejects. :-X
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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7z2zub6
Throw in our two first round picks this summer and this trade might not be totally unrealistic.
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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7z2zub6
Throw in our two first round picks this summer and this trade might not be totally unrealistic.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7qlyp48
Boston sends: Paul Pierce, Brandon Bass, Keyon Dooling and draft pick(s)
Boston receives: Josh Smith, Kirk Hinrich
Why for Boston: Smith brings in athleticism and youth to build further on with. Hinrich expiring contract gives us more cap space.
Why for Atlanta: Paul Pierce gives them playoff experience, leadership and a crunch time scorer. Brandon Bass is a solid player that can fill the open PF spot. Dooling and picks for caps space.
This would be a deal, Danny would seriously consider i guess. A member of the big three for a young asset and more capsspace is not to bad.
With the capspace we could get a good team to lure in Howard. Resigning Jeff Green for $5-6 mio. and Ray Allen with the bird rights.
*Dream mode on*
PG: Rondo
SG: Allen
SF: Green
PF: Smith
C: Howard
And even if we dont get Howard. Having Rondo, Smith and Green (if healthy) is a good young core to build further on.
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Yeah that worked out well for us....
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Everybody is available and everybody on a team who's title aspirations are finished should be available.
Whether or not Ainge can get a decent return is a whole other story. Inside the Celtic's bubble people are still under the illusion that if only we can get everyone healthy, if everything falls into place perfectly and if key players on the true contenders are hurt....then the Celtics have a shot. Outside of the Celtic's bubble most anyone with any knowledge of the NBA knows the Celtic's are done and are waiting for a fire sale which means the offers are likely to be of the low ball type.
Wanting to trade someone or wanting to blow it up and doing so in a way that helps the team going forward are two completely different things. Danny Ainge, unlike many in his fan base isn't working in a bubble.
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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7z2zub6
Throw in our two first round picks this summer and this trade might not be totally unrealistic.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7qlyp48
Boston sends: Paul Pierce, Brandon Bass, Keyon Dooling and draft pick(s)
Boston receives: Josh Smith, Kirk Hinrich
Why for Boston: Smith brings in athleticism and youth to build further on with. Hinrich expiring contract gives us more cap space.
Why for Atlanta: Paul Pierce gives them playoff experience, leadership and a crunch time scorer. Brandon Bass is a solid player that can fill the open PF spot. Dooling and picks for caps space.
This would be a deal, Danny would seriously consider i guess. A member of the big three for a young asset and more capsspace is not to bad.
With the capspace we could get a good team to lure in Howard. Resigning Jeff Green for $5-6 mio. and Ray Allen with the bird rights.
*Dream mode on*
PG: Rondo
SG: Allen
SF: Green
PF: Smith
C: Howard
And even if we dont get Howard. Having Rondo, Smith and Green (if healthy) is a good young core to build further on.
I think both you guys just gave up too much. Posimpos' trade seems like the kind of trade he usually argues against, setting us up for extended mediocraty due to giving up both picks.
Drax's trade I would do if no picks were given up....Bass is already good enough to make up for Pierce being on the downslope....(heinrich not doing much these days). Okay I'd give up a second rounder or 2 in the Drax trade....
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OP can you change the thread title? It's very misleading.
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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7z2zub6
Throw in our two first round picks this summer and this trade might not be totally unrealistic.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7qlyp48
Boston sends: Paul Pierce, Brandon Bass, Keyon Dooling and draft pick(s)
Boston receives: Josh Smith, Kirk Hinrich
Why for Boston: Smith brings in athleticism and youth to build further on with. Hinrich expiring contract gives us more cap space.
Why for Atlanta: Paul Pierce gives them playoff experience, leadership and a crunch time scorer. Brandon Bass is a solid player that can fill the open PF spot. Dooling and picks for caps space.
This would be a deal, Danny would seriously consider i guess. A member of the big three for a young asset and more capsspace is not to bad.
With the capspace we could get a good team to lure in Howard. Resigning Jeff Green for $5-6 mio. and Ray Allen with the bird rights.
*Dream mode on*
PG: Rondo
SG: Allen
SF: Green
PF: Smith
C: Howard
And even if we dont get Howard. Having Rondo, Smith and Green (if healthy) is a good young core to build further on.
Drax' dream mode continued:
Rondo, Bradley, Green, Smith, Howard
Heinrich, Allen, Jeff Taylor, KG, Moultrie
Moore, Pav., Steam, JJJ
Title......!
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I believe the trading of PP this season is highly unlikely.
That said , he will have to go sometime sooner than latter , they all do, if the right deal comes along Danny Will pull the trigger no doubt. (for any /all of them to develope a new team.
BAsically the starting group needs an overhaul , even though the bench is decent backup group. I would love the starters to become the backups. I know thats a dream , oh well.
Howard is screwing up the whole process of rebuilding /reorganizing of 1/2 the NBA. What he does will affect so many teams plans .
I just don't see ANY big deals done by anybody till the Howard thing shakes out.
Its like a poker game with all the GM' s holding their cards and not even giving a hint of what they arte really hop ing to pull off.
When Howard finally lands..........thats when it all hits the fan...look for the Celtics to go off like a ATOM BOMB !!!
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Yeah that worked out well for us....
We'd have a gaping hole at SF.
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One thing to keep in mind is that Pierce's agent, Jeff Schwartz, is also the agent for Deron Williams, Kevin Love, Blake Griffin, and other superstars. This does not mean the C's would have any advantage at signing any of these guys...but it does mean that Danny is not going to do anything to anger Pierce or his agent.
So, in other words, if Pierce is going to be traded, it will essentially be his call.
All the more reason to pursue the Rondo for D Will trade (which the Cs should have done last year). Pierce can attest to the quality of the experience and organization in Boston. A trio of Williams, Pierce and Howard under Rivers and Ainge -- with the potential for KG and Ray to come back on the cheap -- would be awefully tempting for Howard and Williams, particularly if JJJ starts to look like a real player (with a mid-range J that compliments Howard), and considering their two 1sts this summer.
It'd basically be between Boston and Dallas for those two guys from there. Scary -- but worth the risk, no?
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This thread was created before the DWill rumors. Obviously option A would be to rebuild on the fly with DWill, Pierce, and Howard. But why would DWill sign an extension if he was the only banana?
So, if that isn't there, I still think Danny will pull the trigger on Paul Pierce.
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The big problem with all of these trade insert-member-of-the-Big-Three ideas is that they theoretically sound good; however, whenever anyone tries to put them on paper, they fall apart.
Quite simply, only the top tier teams are really going to want to trade for them, and they don't have much and/or can't afford to give much up and still contend.
And trading the Big Three is really only a good idea if we're going to get a pretty big piece for the future. Otherwise, we're likely only getting role players and late first round draft picks that likely won't be around after the rebuilding process anyway.
If Danny can pull off a miracle, great. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
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I think Danny's best strategy is to sit near the phone, let it ring a few times, and casually answer.
My meaning here is that he should see the C's in a position of strength in that they really don't need to trade anyone. They likely end up in a comparable position whether they work a trade or not. If you start calling around, I think psychologically you've put yourself in a less enviable bargaining position. Best to let the phone ring. Let another team express interest and allow yourself to be in the position of proposing a counter offer if the initial offer is intriguing enough. Team GMs are smart -- they know who is on the C's roster, they know the salary implications and they know their own team's needs/wants. Let them come to us feeling like they need PP to put them over the top.
And with this approach Danny can honestly respond to 'Danny's shopping X' conversations and reduce internal issues around players feeling like they are on the block.
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... But my guess is that come March 16th, we will have a very different roster than we do today.
I don't think they will - nor they will have to - trade RR next month. They team rebuilding is planned to be done, calmly, for the offseason. They probably didn't have any hight expectation from this season, which is like a farewell for the 2008 era.
I'm throwing some numbers for a possible scenario. The actual roster total salary is $79.5MM (source: Hoopsworld, this is without counting Wallace and Shaq sort of severance wages). From the actual roster, only 6 players have contracts for next season: RR, PP, JJJ, EM, AB and BB. These contracts amount globally for $35.5MM so this leaves 8-9 spots and $44MM open, supposing the next year they will pay the same amount of money as of this season.
From the other current staff, if they resign RA and KG for the kind of money JO made this year, this will cost another $10MM. And of course, JO will go home, does not matter how little money he is willing to play for.
If they can resign CW, GS and MP for the same kind of money they made this year plus the 20%, this will amount for another $6MM. In my opinion, they won't offer anything to KD, SP and MD.
So far, we have 11 players: 4 G, 6 F and 1 C, and we have spent from the original $79.5MM:
$35.5MM plus $10MM plus $6MM = $51.5MM
This leaves them with 3-4 free spots in the roster and $79.5MM minus $51.5MM = $28MM available to spend in new contracts.
Then, with $28MM, they will have a very good chance of making a shot for a way above average Center player plus two other good players. For reference, this is what top centers around the league will make (according to actual contracts) for next season:
Chandler $13.6MM,
Bynum $16.1MM,
Noah $11.3MM,
Mark Gasol $13.9MM.
This below is the list of Center players in free agency at the end of this season (source: Hoopsworld):
Center (name, team 2011-12 salary status)
Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic $18.1 million Early Termination Option ($19.5 million)
Roy Hibbert, Indiana Pacers $2.6 million Restricted ($3.7 million Qualifying Offer)
Andrew Bynum, L.A. Lakers $14.9 million Team Option ($16.1 million)
Brook Lopez, New Jersey Nets $3.1 million Restricted ($4.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Chris Kaman, New Orleans Hornets $12.7 million Unrestricted
JaVale McGee, Washington Wizards $2.5 million Restricted ($3.5 million Qualifying Offer)
Marcus Camby, Portland Trail Blazers $12.9 million Unrestricted
Spencer Hawes, Philadelphia 76ers $4.1 million Unrestricted
Kwame Brown, Golden State Warriors $6.8 million Unrestricted
Aaron Gray, Toronto Raptors $2.5 million Unrestricted
Robin Lopez, Phoenix Suns $2.8 million Restricted ($4.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Jermaine ONeal, Boston Celtics $6.2 million Unrestricted
Nazr Mohammed, Oklahoma City Thunder $3.8 million Unrestricted
Omer Asik, Chicago Bulls $1.9 million Unrestricted*
Semih Erden, Cleveland Cavaliers $0.8 million Unrestricted*
Ben Wallace, Detroit Pistons $2.2 million Unrestricted
Hamed Haddadi, Memphis Grizzlies $1.3 million Unrestricted
Mehmet Okur, New Jersey Nets $10.9 million Unrestricted
Jeff Foster, Indiana Pacers $3.0 million Unrestricted
Greg Stiemsma, Boston Celtics $0.5 million Unrestricted*
Daniel Orton, Orlando Magic $1.1 million Unrestricted*
Solomon Alabi, Toronto Raptors $0.8 million Team Option ($0.9 million)
Hasheem Thabeet, Houston Rockets $5.1 million Unrestricted*
DeSagana Diop, Charlotte Bobcats $6.9 million Player Option ($7.4 million)
Ryan Hollins, Cleveland Cavaliers $2.5 million Unrestricted
Jason Collins, Atlanta Haws $1.3 million Unrestricted
Eddy Curry, Miami HEAT $1.2 million Unrestricted
Tony Battie, Philadelphia 76ers $1.3 million Unrestricted
Greg Oden, Portland Trail Blazers $1.5 million Unrestricted
Jamaal Magloire, Toronto Raptors $1.3 million Unrestricted
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... But my guess is that come March 16th, we will have a very different roster than we do today.
I don't think they will - nor they will have to - trade RR next month. They team rebuilding is planned to be done, calmly, for the offseason. They probably didn't have any hight expectation from this season, which is like a farewell for the 2008 era.
I'm throwing some numbers for a possible scenario. The actual roster total salary is $79.5MM (source: Hoopsworld, this is without counting Wallace and Shaq sort of severance wages). From the actual roster, only 6 players have contracts for next season: RR, PP, JJJ, EM, AB and BB. These contracts amount globally for $35.5MM so this leaves 8-9 spots and $44MM open, supposing the next year they will pay the same amount of money as of this season.
From the other current staff, if they resign RA and KG for the kind of money JO made this year, this will cost another $10MM. And of course, JO will go home, does not matter how little money he is willing to play for.
If they can resign CW, GS and MP for the same kind of money they made this year plus the 20%, this will amount for another $6MM. In my opinion, they won't offer anything to KD, SP and MD.
So far, we have 11 players: 4 G, 6 F and 1 C, and we have spent from the original $79.5MM:
$35.5MM plus $10MM plus $6MM = $51.5MM
This leaves them with 3-4 free spots in the roster and $79.5MM minus $51.5MM = $28MM available to spend in new contracts.
Then, with $28MM, they will have a very good chance of making a shot for a way above average Center player plus two other good players. For reference, this is what top centers around the league will make (according to actual contracts) for next season:
Chandler $13.6MM,
Bynum $16.1MM,
Noah $11.3MM,
Mark Gasol $13.9MM.
This below is the list of Center players in free agency at the end of this season (source: Hoopsworld):
Center (name, team 2011-12 salary status)
Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic $18.1 million Early Termination Option ($19.5 million)
Roy Hibbert, Indiana Pacers $2.6 million Restricted ($3.7 million Qualifying Offer)
Andrew Bynum, L.A. Lakers $14.9 million Team Option ($16.1 million)
Brook Lopez, New Jersey Nets $3.1 million Restricted ($4.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Chris Kaman, New Orleans Hornets $12.7 million Unrestricted
JaVale McGee, Washington Wizards $2.5 million Restricted ($3.5 million Qualifying Offer)
Marcus Camby, Portland Trail Blazers $12.9 million Unrestricted
Spencer Hawes, Philadelphia 76ers $4.1 million Unrestricted
Kwame Brown, Golden State Warriors $6.8 million Unrestricted
Aaron Gray, Toronto Raptors $2.5 million Unrestricted
Robin Lopez, Phoenix Suns $2.8 million Restricted ($4.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Jermaine ONeal, Boston Celtics $6.2 million Unrestricted
Nazr Mohammed, Oklahoma City Thunder $3.8 million Unrestricted
Omer Asik, Chicago Bulls $1.9 million Unrestricted*
Semih Erden, Cleveland Cavaliers $0.8 million Unrestricted*
Ben Wallace, Detroit Pistons $2.2 million Unrestricted
Hamed Haddadi, Memphis Grizzlies $1.3 million Unrestricted
Mehmet Okur, New Jersey Nets $10.9 million Unrestricted
Jeff Foster, Indiana Pacers $3.0 million Unrestricted
Greg Stiemsma, Boston Celtics $0.5 million Unrestricted*
Daniel Orton, Orlando Magic $1.1 million Unrestricted*
Solomon Alabi, Toronto Raptors $0.8 million Team Option ($0.9 million)
Hasheem Thabeet, Houston Rockets $5.1 million Unrestricted*
DeSagana Diop, Charlotte Bobcats $6.9 million Player Option ($7.4 million)
Ryan Hollins, Cleveland Cavaliers $2.5 million Unrestricted
Jason Collins, Atlanta Haws $1.3 million Unrestricted
Eddy Curry, Miami HEAT $1.2 million Unrestricted
Tony Battie, Philadelphia 76ers $1.3 million Unrestricted
Greg Oden, Portland Trail Blazers $1.5 million Unrestricted
Jamaal Magloire, Toronto Raptors $1.3 million Unrestricted
The problem is that the salary cap is in the mid 50 millions right now, not 79 million. Thus, if we cannot sign all of our players back AND then sign free agents.
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One thing to keep in mind is that Pierce's agent, Jeff Schwartz, is also the agent for Deron Williams, Kevin Love, Blake Griffin, and other superstars. This does not mean the C's would have any advantage at signing any of these guys...but it does mean that Danny is not going to do anything to anger Pierce or his agent.
So, in other words, if Pierce is going to be traded, it will essentially be his call.
All the more reason to pursue the Rondo for D Will trade (which the Cs should have done last year). Pierce can attest to the quality of the experience and organization in Boston. A trio of Williams, Pierce and Howard under Rivers and Ainge -- with the potential for KG and Ray to come back on the cheap -- would be awefully tempting for Howard and Williams, particularly if JJJ starts to look like a real player (with a mid-range J that compliments Howard), and considering their two 1sts this summer.
It'd basically be between Boston and Dallas for those two guys from there. Scary -- but worth the risk, no?
Yeah, I think a Rondo for Williams trade would be at the top of Danny's list.
The only problem is that it wouldn't coincide with a Howard signing, because NJ would only trade Williams once Howard is traded to a team like the Lakers, so they know that there is no chance he will even hit free agency.
But yeah, if Howard is traded to a team that will resign him, I think Danny will go hard after Williams, and he would have a great chance, since I don't think any team will offer more than Rondo without Williams agreeing to not opt out...which I don't believe Danny would require.
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We'd have a gaping hole at SF.
I got news for you if PP is traded the tank job would be on. They would not care if they had a gaping hole at SF because losing games would be the goal for draft position. The idea of contending (which is ludricous at this point I think) would be at the window.
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pierce for rudy gay? <...... i wouldn't doubt it but do i want it to happen? no sure
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Thought I'd change the title, since it's inaccurate enough to warrant several complaints ;)
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Yeah, I think a Rondo for Williams trade would be at the top of Danny's list.
The only problem is that it wouldn't coincide with a Howard signing, because NJ would only trade Williams once Howard is traded to a team like the Lakers, so they know that there is no chance he will even hit free agency.
But yeah, if Howard is traded to a team that will resign him, I think Danny will go hard after Williams, and he would have a great chance, since I don't think any team will offer more than Rondo without Williams agreeing to not opt out...which I don't believe Danny would require.
I agree on Deron. For example, if we dealt Rondo for Deron with the requirement that Deron pick up his player option, we are adding about $7M to our cap number next year. Deal Pierce for Nocioni + Turner (assuming Philly thinks this helps them contend this year and next). Takes $11M back off.
Now we're at about $29M cap room, with Deron, Bradley, Turner, JJJ, 2 1st rounders. Even if Deron is the only starter in that mix, we have enough money to sign Dwight, and possibly have $12M for Green and Garnett (or some other combination of veterans).
Our defense would be insanely good if Garnett could come back and still "D" up for another year, we'd be very young (mostly younger than Howard), and I think any team with Deron, Howard and some energy is going to score.
Deron / Bradley
1st rounder / Bradley
Turner / Jeff Green
Garnett / JJJ
Howard / Stiemsma
+ 1st rounder
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... But my guess is that come March 16th, we will have a very different roster than we do today.
I don't think they will - nor they will have to - trade RR next month. They team rebuilding is planned to be done, calmly, for the offseason. They probably didn't have any hight expectation from this season, which is like a farewell for the 2008 era.
I'm throwing some numbers for a possible scenario. The actual roster total salary is $79.5MM (source: Hoopsworld, this is without counting Wallace and Shaq sort of severance wages). From the actual roster, only 6 players have contracts for next season: RR, PP, JJJ, EM, AB and BB. These contracts amount globally for $35.5MM so this leaves 8-9 spots and $44MM open, supposing the next year they will pay the same amount of money as of this season.
From the other current staff, if they resign RA and KG for the kind of money JO made this year, this will cost another $10MM. And of course, JO will go home, does not matter how little money he is willing to play for.
If they can resign CW, GS and MP for the same kind of money they made this year plus the 20%, this will amount for another $6MM. In my opinion, they won't offer anything to KD, SP and MD.
So far, we have 11 players: 4 G, 6 F and 1 C, and we have spent from the original $79.5MM:
$35.5MM plus $10MM plus $6MM = $51.5MM
This leaves them with 3-4 free spots in the roster and $79.5MM minus $51.5MM = $28MM available to spend in new contracts.
Then, with $28MM, they will have a very good chance of making a shot for a way above average Center player plus two other good players. For reference, this is what top centers around the league will make (according to actual contracts) for next season:
Chandler $13.6MM,
Bynum $16.1MM,
Noah $11.3MM,
Mark Gasol $13.9MM.
You can't go over the cap like that to sign free agents.
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Yeah, I think a Rondo for Williams trade would be at the top of Danny's list.
The only problem is that it wouldn't coincide with a Howard signing, because NJ would only trade Williams once Howard is traded to a team like the Lakers, so they know that there is no chance he will even hit free agency.
But yeah, if Howard is traded to a team that will resign him, I think Danny will go hard after Williams, and he would have a great chance, since I don't think any team will offer more than Rondo without Williams agreeing to not opt out...which I don't believe Danny would require.
You think Ainge would trade Rondo for a half-season rental of Williams?
If D-Will wouldn't resign with the Nets sans Howard, I can't see any feasible reason he'd resign in Boston with a 35-year-old Pierce and slim pickings from a diluted free agent class.
Not worth it.
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rondo is better than d-will in a lot of ways. rondos contract gives us more flexability. theres too many positives to rondo staying
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highly likely he will, but i won't be amazed if he doesn't...
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The thought of being pierceless is crazy,but if we can become better in the future i say get it if you can.