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Title: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: FLCeltsFan on February 13, 2012, 10:27:20 PM
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Detroit Pistons (8-21) at Boston Celtics (15-12)
Wednesday, February 15
7:30 PM ET
Regular Season Game #28 – Home Game #19
TV: CSNNE, FSD, NBA-LP 753/754 (DTV)
Radio: WEEI, WDFN, 97.1 FM The Ticket
TD Garden

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Probable Starters
PG(http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Rondo_Rajon_bos.jpg)SG(http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Allen_Ray_bos.jpg)SF(http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Pierce_Paul_bos.jpg)PF(http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Garnett_Kevin_bos.jpg)C(http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Wilcox_Chris_det_1112.jpg)
Rajon Rondo.... Ray Allen.... Paul Pierce.....Kevin Garnett.... Chris Wilcox

Celtics Reserves

Marquis Daniels
Greg Steimsma
Brandon Bass
JaJuan Johnson
E'Twaun Moore
Keyon Dooling
Mickael Pietrus  

Injuries
Sasha Pavlovic (wrist)  day to day
Jermaine O'Neal  (shoulder)  probable
Brandon Bass  (knee)  out
Mickael Pietrus (knee) questionable
Kevin Garnett (hip)  questionable

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Probable Starters
PG(http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Knight_Brandon_det_12.jpg) SG(http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Stuckey_Rodney_det.jpg) SF(http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Prince_Tayshaun_det.jpg) PF(http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Maxiell_Jason_det_12.jpg) C(http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Monroe_Greg_ncaa.jpg)
Brandon Knight...Rodney Stuckey...Tayshaun Prince...Jason Maxiell..Greg Monroe  

Pistons Bench
Ben Wallace
Jonas Jerebko
Brandon Knight
Austin Daye
Damien Wilkins
Vernon Macklin
Will Bynum
Ben Gordon
Walker Russell


Injuries

Charlie Villanueva  (foot)  out

Team Connections

Ben Gordon, Charlie Villanueva and Ray Allen all attended the University of Connecticut
Tayshaun Prince, Brandon Knight and Rajon Rondo attended the University of Kentucky
Pistons Head Coach Lawrence Frank was an assistant coach with the Celtics during the 2010‐11 season
Sasha Pavlovic and Ben Wallace were teammates on the Cleveland Cavaliers from 2007‐09
Pistons Assistant Coach Roy Rogers played for the Celtics during the 1997‐98 season and was an assistant coach during the 2010‐11 season.
Chris Wilcox played for the Pistons from 2009-11.  

Key Matchups  
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Rajon Rondo vs Brandon Knight
As has been stated many times, as Rondo goes, so goes the Celtics.  The Celtics need the aggressive Rondo that ran on every possession and gave the Celtics a spark on both ends of the court, including on the boards.   He should be able to school Knight and have another big night if he comes to play.  

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Paul Pierce vs Tayshaun Prince
This has been a great matchup over the years,  Prince's length can give Pierce problems but Pierce's strength can also give Prince problems.  If Pierce can't get his shot off, he needs to be a facilitator and find the open man rather than trying to force it.    

Honorable Mention

Kevin Garnett vs Jason Maxiell
KG has a height advantage over Maxiell and hopefully he will be aggressive in looking for his shot.  

Game Notes
The Celtics go from one former coach to another as Lawrence Frank returns to the Garden with the Detroit Pistons.  The Celtics got their first win of the season at home against the Pistons and hopefully they will have the same outcome in this game.  Paul Pierce made his season debut in that game and the Celtics won 96-85.  

The Charlie Villanueva- Kevin Garnett matchup is always a fun one after the "cancer patient" comments.   Villanueva missed the first game due to a suspension and will miss this game as well with a foot injury.   You think maybe he's trying to avoid KG?  

In that first game, Jermaine O'Neal came to life and scored 19 points to go with 7 rebounds and 2 blocked shots.   O'Neal is questionable for this game and if he can't go, expect Chris Wilcox to get the start again and JaJuan Johnson to once again get significant minutes.   I think I like our starting lineup with Wilcox better than with JO anyway.

Detroit is playing in the second of back to back games while the Celtics have had off since Sunday afternoon.  They also get the benefit of a rare but much needed practice on Tuesday.  The Pistons are 4-6 in their last 10 games while the Celtics are 7-3 in their last 10.  The Pistons are just 2-12 on the road while the Celtics are 11-7 at home.  

Hopefully the Celtics come out strong in this one just as they did against the Bulls and not take the Pistons lightly.  I'd love to see them run in this game like they did against the Bulls and if they do, it should be Gino time in the Garden again.  

Keys to the Game
Defense - It all begins with defense.  The Celtics have been winning with defense and they have to continue to play tough lock down defense.   Defense wins games and defense wins championships.

Rebound - The Celtics need to be aggressive on the boards.  Rebounding is effort and if the Celtics are putting the effort out to grab rebounds then that effort will translate to the other areas of their game.  They were out-rebounded by the Lakers and the Cavs and they lost both games.  They out-rebounded the Bulls and they won.  That isn't a coincidence.  

Focus
- The Celtics have been very sloppy with their passes and have allowed defenders to just swipe the ball.  At times they drive into a triple team and just lose the ball.  All of this is due to a lack of focus.  When they are focused and locked in they don't commit near as many errors and turnovers.   They have to take better care of the basketball and they have to be focused on the game and make smart passes and keep their eyes on the defenders.  


X-Factors

Focus and Trap Game
Sandwiched in between a home and home set with the Bulls, it would be easy to take the 8-21 Pistons for granted.  That would be a big mistake because you can be sure that Lawrence Frank will have his troops up to give the Celtics their best effort.  They have to keep their focus and play this game hard from start to finish.  
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: ACF on February 13, 2012, 11:54:16 PM
TP. Go Celtics!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: FLCeltsFan on February 14, 2012, 03:02:15 PM
Update from today's practice

Pietrus is questionable for tomorrow's game with a knee injury

KG is questionable for tomorrow with a hip flexor

JO is hoping to play (with a sore shoulder and 2 sore knees)   

Dooling had a slight setback but is expected to play.

Bass out till after the All Star game. 

Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: BballTim on February 14, 2012, 03:05:49 PM
Update from today's practice

Pietrus is questionable for tomorrow's game with a knee injury

KG is questionable for tomorrow with a hip flexor

JO is hoping to play. 



  You no the old saying, no updates is good updates.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: letsgoblue86 on February 14, 2012, 03:12:52 PM
Update from today's practice

Pietrus is questionable for tomorrow's game with a knee injury

KG is questionable for tomorrow with a hip flexor

JO is hoping to play. 


Hahahaha why does none of this come as a surprise?
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 14, 2012, 03:34:12 PM
keys to the game .

For the Celtics ..its always injuries
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Overrated on February 15, 2012, 11:27:08 AM
With KG potentially out for tonight, I'm hoping for JaJuan Johnson to get some run.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: FLCeltsFan on February 15, 2012, 12:55:13 PM
Good news injury update:   From the Globe 

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The Celtics could have Kevin Garnett, Mickael Pietrus and Jermaine O'Neal back in the lineup tonight as they face the Detroit Pistons at TD Garden.

All three participated in shootaround, and Garnett participated in full-court drills after missing practice Tuesday with a strained hip flexor,. He is the lone Celtic to play in all 27 games this season. Pietrus missed part of practice Tuesday with a sore knee while O'Neal missed the past two games with a sore left shoulder.

Brandon Bass, who is out with a sore knee, was the only Celtic not to participate in shootaround.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: stylo617617 on February 15, 2012, 01:30:37 PM
there better off rsting KG , & having him fresh for tommorow night
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: FLCeltsFan on February 15, 2012, 02:10:22 PM
Official Report
Tony Brothers
TTony Brothers is entering his 18th season as an NBA official and has officiated 1,040 regular season games and 50 playoff games during his career. He was a member of the crew that officiated the 1996 Mexico Challenge, 1998 Schick Rookie Game, 1999 McDonald’s Championship in Milan, Italy and the 2008 China Games. Prior to joining the NBA, Brothers spent four years officiating in the CBA, including three CBA Finals and a CBA All-Star Game. He has one year of collegiate officiating experience at the Junior College level. Brothers also has seven years of high school officiating experience in Virginia, including three state tournaments.There are several articles about what a terrible ref Brothers is and detailing his misdeeds. He has angered a lot of fans of just about every team because of bad calls, no calls, and one sided officiating. The Celtics are 5-5 in their last 10 games with Brothers on the court. Brothers was one of the officials in Celtics lone loss to the Heat in the regular season last year in which the Heat took 26 free throws to 16 for the Celtics. The Pistons are 2-0 this season and 4-6 with Brothers in their last 10. His home W/L record this season is 12-13.

Derrick Collins
Collins has officiated 616 regular season games and 11 playoff games in 10 NBA seasons. Prior to joining the NBA, he officiated five seasons in the CBA and three in the WNBA, where he worked two CBA Finals and three WNBA Playoffs and Finals. He has seven years of collegiate officiating experience in various conferences. Collins also officiated at the high school level in Louisiana.
Collins was a member of the Xavier basketball team for four seasons, an honorable mention All-American, and received his Bachelor of Arts degree from the university in Mass Communications. Collins was a victim of both Hurricane Katrina and Rita and basically had to start all over in the aftermath. The Celtics are 0-1 this season and 5-5 in their last 10 games with Collins. The loss was in Indiana and the Pacers shot 23 free throws to 18 for the Celtics. The Pistons are 1-1 this season and 3-7 in their last 10 games with Collins. His home W/L record this season is 14-8.

Ben Taylor
Taylor is listed as a non staff referee. This is just his 3rd game in the NBA. In trying to find information on him, I found that he officiated just 9 games at the college level between 1997 and 2010. He officiated an exhibition game between the Knicks and Maccabi Tel Aviv in 2009. In that game he ejected the coach for the Maccabi team which nearly started an international incident when the coach refused to leave the game. They even had a well known Rabbi out there trying to negotiate with Taylor because it was a game for charity but Taylor wouldn't budge and he called security to escort the coach to the locker room. He has experience in the D-League and in NBA pre-season games. He was also one of the replacement refs during the recent referee lockout. His home team W/L record is 0-2.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: TenaciousD on February 15, 2012, 07:11:20 PM
In the race for the 6th seed, Cs need the win, Indy/Orloto loose. Could happen. 
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: TenaciousD on February 15, 2012, 07:14:00 PM
Will fans get another episode of Running with Rondo or will it be Same Old with Starters? Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 07:19:55 PM
Will fans get another episode of Running with Rondo or will it be Same Old with Starters? Stay tuned.

Reading JO was healthy did not put a smile on my face.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: 2short on February 15, 2012, 07:40:42 PM
hmmm
kg & bass out, is this the career (so far) night for JJ?
I am guessing our young pick is going to approach 20 pts this evening
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: snively on February 15, 2012, 07:41:52 PM
Will fans get another episode of Running with Rondo or will it be Same Old with Starters? Stay tuned.

Reading JO was healthy did not put a smile on my face.

Does help us with Greg Monroe.  Pretty good offensive player.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 07:44:25 PM
Will fans get another episode of Running with Rondo or will it be Same Old with Starters? Stay tuned.

Reading JO was healthy did not put a smile on my face.

Does help us with Greg Monroe.  Pretty good offensive player.

JO is still a good defender. But that's it. And that is not good enough to start.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: snively on February 15, 2012, 07:47:00 PM
That Stuckey Ray match-up looks to be a pain.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 07:49:11 PM
JO looks old and injured.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 07:50:54 PM
Move those camera people.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Fafnir on February 15, 2012, 07:52:10 PM
Move those camera people.
Seriously, a ton of collisions could be avoided.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Fafnir on February 15, 2012, 07:54:09 PM
Rondo has dominated the start of this game.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: snively on February 15, 2012, 07:55:08 PM
Rondo feasting on this soft Pistons D. 

The Rondo-Wilcox pairing is a match made in heaven. 
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: ejk3489 on February 15, 2012, 07:55:08 PM
Rondo seems to be continuing his aggression/dominance tonight...good to see.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Fafnir on February 15, 2012, 07:56:27 PM
Rondo feasting on this soft Pistons D. 

The Rondo-Wilcox pairing is a match made in heaven. 
C's gameplan seems to be posting up Knight with whomever they put him on.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Kiorrik on February 15, 2012, 07:56:59 PM
Move those camera people.
Seriously, a ton of collisions could be avoided.
Yurp. Totally agree. The game would've been played "out of bounds" more often too. People flying, jumping, it'd become a viable option, jumping way out of bounds to allow yourself room to pass to someone.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:00:42 PM
Well, Rondo looks good and he has someone to run with him....now we have a team gam going......no more slow ball..iso's...ect...fast ball, in a controlled manner, makes the other team work harder..!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 08:00:47 PM
Ok, JJJ time.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Eja117 on February 15, 2012, 08:01:19 PM
trying to figure out how Doc is planning to lose this one...
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:02:11 PM
If i was doc..i would still put someone in to give maxielle a little EXTRA shoulder out there.....he pushed rondo down..extra.....
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: apc on February 15, 2012, 08:02:37 PM
is Rondo being aggressive takes away from Pierce game?
it took Pierce long time to get in the game against Chicago, and maybe again tonight.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Kiorrik on February 15, 2012, 08:03:48 PM
Rondo is looking odd today. He is looking around him a lot, at the crowd, talking to players on the other team... Doing odd stuff all around.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 08:03:59 PM
I don't think JO made it past the charge arc on the last fast break.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on February 15, 2012, 08:05:06 PM
Oh hey, it's Good Rondo again.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:05:06 PM
PP will always get the ball.....and has always been a "find my own offense" type.....he hardly ever rolls hard to the hole looking for it.....he might be nursing a slight pain.....plenty of them in this game...
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Kiorrik on February 15, 2012, 08:05:15 PM
Seriously, after everything Rondo does, he seems to look at the bench, or Doc or something.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: j804 on February 15, 2012, 08:05:28 PM
Rondo wants to go to the All Star game
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 15, 2012, 08:05:33 PM
JO looks old and injured.

because he  IS  OLD and INJURED  ;D

Lord help us.....
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: letsgoblue86 on February 15, 2012, 08:05:45 PM
Fouls on fouls on fouls.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Fafnir on February 15, 2012, 08:06:30 PM
Fouls on fouls on fouls.
Yup, and the C's are missing too many FTs.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: snively on February 15, 2012, 08:06:44 PM
Seriously, after everything Rondo does, he seems to look at the bench, or Doc or something.

Yeah, what was up with that weird ball-to-the-crowd thing he did in the backcourt?

Rondo = weirdest, most unorthodox player I've ever watched.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: jdz101 on February 15, 2012, 08:07:04 PM
Seriously can this team not foul on an opponent's drive...like once maybe?
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Kiorrik on February 15, 2012, 08:07:09 PM
Either Doc gave it to him, or Rondo knows a trade is coming, or something else. Something, is happening.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:07:19 PM
JO should be sitting for a few....rest those knees.....more rest for JO, more JO for the playoffs...
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 08:07:56 PM
Meadowlark, unless Doc screws us with small ball, we should see Steamer and JJJ together. Or as I call them, Phi Blocka Jamma.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Kiorrik on February 15, 2012, 08:08:44 PM
Seriously, after everything Rondo does, he seems to look at the bench, or Doc or something.

Yeah, what was up with that weird ball-to-the-crowd thing he did in the backcourt?

Rondo = weirdest, most unorthodox player I've ever watched.
Looked very Shakespearean.

(http://agent3155.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/to_be_or_not_to_be.jpg)
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: j804 on February 15, 2012, 08:08:49 PM
We need to tighten up the defense

"STRAIGHT UPPPP!!!"
 
-in my Rasheed Wallace voice  ;D
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:09:56 PM
Stil Rondo trade talk...I would trade rondo for a fast guard, a team player, a good passer..a decent shooter, swift, good layups.....and one who rules the floor well..hmmmm, I would trade for RONDO....!  Who the heck do you actually keep thinking you are going to get..that is better than the top 5 pg.....
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: apc on February 15, 2012, 08:10:49 PM
i am not watching the game but looking at the boxscore, are we playing 2 on 5?
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on February 15, 2012, 08:11:35 PM
Hah, Rondo apparently thought he was a Piston for a second there.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: snively on February 15, 2012, 08:12:07 PM
Defense pretty terrible without KG.  No rim protection for either team.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: snively on February 15, 2012, 08:12:59 PM
Seriously, after everything Rondo does, he seems to look at the bench, or Doc or something.

Yeah, what was up with that weird ball-to-the-crowd thing he did in the backcourt?

Rondo = weirdest, most unorthodox player I've ever watched.
Looked very Shakespearean.

(http://agent3155.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/to_be_or_not_to_be.jpg)

Alas, poor Spalding, I knew him well!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on February 15, 2012, 08:13:11 PM
Seems like the more Rondo scores the closer the game is nd Im dissapointed Pierce hasnt taken a shot yet
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Kiorrik on February 15, 2012, 08:13:33 PM
Seriously, after everything Rondo does, he seems to look at the bench, or Doc or something.

Yeah, what was up with that weird ball-to-the-crowd thing he did in the backcourt?

Rondo = weirdest, most unorthodox player I've ever watched.
Looked very Shakespearean.

(http://agent3155.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/to_be_or_not_to_be.jpg)

Alas, poor Spalding, I knew him well!
Hahaha :') nice one. I giggle like a schoolgirl.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Eja117 on February 15, 2012, 08:13:46 PM
Seriously, after everything Rondo does, he seems to look at the bench, or Doc or something.

Yeah, what was up with that weird ball-to-the-crowd thing he did in the backcourt?

Rondo = weirdest, most unorthodox player I've ever watched.
Looked very Shakespearean.

(http://agent3155.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/to_be_or_not_to_be.jpg)
Maybe behind the scenes someone told him to stop being a diva so he is mocking them

Honestly if I was playing there and Bill Russell showed up I might start acting weird too.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: j804 on February 15, 2012, 08:13:58 PM
Defense pretty terrible without KG. 
TP spot on pretty much
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:14:40 PM
if doc would play steamer and wilcox at the same time we would get rim D and offense......this is a good game to get steamer some REAL game time.....why...if you don't like him....think about our injuries, the possibility of them...and a good big man who can guard stronger big men..once he scores a few, the refs will ease up on him.....
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Kiorrik on February 15, 2012, 08:14:58 PM
Seriously, after everything Rondo does, he seems to look at the bench, or Doc or something.

Yeah, what was up with that weird ball-to-the-crowd thing he did in the backcourt?

Rondo = weirdest, most unorthodox player I've ever watched.
Looked very Shakespearean.

(http://agent3155.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/to_be_or_not_to_be.jpg)
Maybe behind the scenes someone told him to stop being a diva so he is mocking them

Honestly if I was playing there and Bill Russell showed up I might start acting weird too.
I'm thinking it's some disagreement between him and Doc. Some kind of ... I dunno. Could even be a challenge or something.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 08:15:21 PM
I don't like Dooling.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Kiorrik on February 15, 2012, 08:16:36 PM
I don't like Dooling.
Seconded.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:16:38 PM
that wa solid D by the steam...
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:17:13 PM
smart pass by steam..no one gaveit back....
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 08:17:36 PM
Would anyone trade Ray and Dooling for Gordon and a future #1?
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 08:18:21 PM
smart pass by steam..no one gaveit back....

Nice head fake too.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Kiorrik on February 15, 2012, 08:18:23 PM
Would anyone trade Ray and Dooling for Gordon and a future #1?
I'd trade Dooling for a packet of band-aids right now.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:18:49 PM
Gordon..in the past has shown he can be absolutly unstoppable.....but where did that guy go....was that a contract year...?
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: j804 on February 15, 2012, 08:20:07 PM
Triple J
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: ejk3489 on February 15, 2012, 08:20:10 PM
Good shot by JJ!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:20:28 PM
see people are blaming steam for that D ( in the past)..but these cutters are not HIS man...everyone else is losing their man.....
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Eja117 on February 15, 2012, 08:20:35 PM
Would anyone trade Ray and Dooling for Gordon and a future #1?
I'd trade Dooling for a packet of band-aids right now.
Sponge Bob band-aids and I'm keeping him. Star Wars ones and it's a deal
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on February 15, 2012, 08:20:53 PM
Would anyone trade Ray and Dooling for Gordon and a future #1?
Thats WAY too much for a washed up Ben Gordon this aint the Bulls version of Ben Gordon
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 08:21:08 PM
Bradley has no business running a half court offense.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Kiorrik on February 15, 2012, 08:21:14 PM
Dooling played okay for that stretch. Good transition D too.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: letsgoblue86 on February 15, 2012, 08:21:31 PM
What the hell is Ben Gordon's problem?  It's like he only tries when he plays us.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Neurotic Guy on February 15, 2012, 08:22:45 PM
Dooling played okay for that stretch. Good transition D too.

Yes he did.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Kiorrik on February 15, 2012, 08:23:02 PM
Would anyone trade Ray and Dooling for Gordon and a future #1?
I'd trade Dooling for a packet of band-aids right now.
Sponge Bob band-aids and I'm keeping him. Star Wars ones and it's a deal
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_leSkaEAuqL4/SlTycS2qA3I/AAAAAAAABlA/Ytu7Fm2mBOk/s400/100_9727.JPG)
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 08:23:09 PM
Would anyone trade Ray and Dooling for Gordon and a future #1?
Thats WAY too much for a washed up Ben Gordon this aint the Bulls version of Ben Gordon

Too much. This is not 2008 Ray Allen either. I think Gordon is only 28.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Tgro on February 15, 2012, 08:23:41 PM
So far I've seen it as...

Not too bad....

Not too good.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Kiorrik on February 15, 2012, 08:23:49 PM
Dooling played okay for that stretch. Good transition D too.

Yes he did.
I had to dig deep to get those words out.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Kiorrik on February 15, 2012, 08:25:09 PM
If you want to play the if-game today: "if" we'd hit some more freebies...
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Kiorrik on February 15, 2012, 08:25:37 PM
Dooling. Not Rondo. :]
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:25:58 PM
My man Steam handling the mighty ben wallace..!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 08:26:05 PM
Nice rebounding hustle Steamer and JJJ.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Kiorrik on February 15, 2012, 08:26:47 PM
JJJ. Not *that* feeble.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:27:04 PM
Lookng at JJJ at the free throw line..he had a CHIEF Robert Parrish GAME FACE..YAAAAA
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Kiorrik on February 15, 2012, 08:27:20 PM
My man Steam handling the mighty ben wallace..!
SteamWalletzed.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: European NBA fan on February 15, 2012, 08:27:32 PM
JJ doesn't really need that much extra strength. He's got the power :)
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on February 15, 2012, 08:27:52 PM
Would anyone trade Ray and Dooling for Gordon and a future #1?
Thats WAY too much for a washed up Ben Gordon this aint the Bulls version of Ben Gordon

Too much. This is not 2008 Ray Allen either. I think Gordon is only 28.
Ray Allen is still a better player then Ben Gordon rite now even tho he's 8 years older BG aint nuthin but an ineffecient chucker tht doesnt defend at this point in his career
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: ejk3489 on February 15, 2012, 08:28:13 PM
Stiemsma defense!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:28:15 PM
the onl other g that scores and moves like rondo is rose.....
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 08:28:25 PM
Steamer!!!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:29:41 PM
oh how i wish someone would try 2-3 passes to my man Steam while he is down low...give him a chance to show what he can do....he is looking good, STRONG on D and rebounding..!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: letsgoblue86 on February 15, 2012, 08:30:14 PM
JaJuan's gotta learn the KG-shot-fake-drive-for-the-dunk
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 08:31:13 PM
It was painful to watch Bradley run the point.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:32:55 PM
PP must have ead someone here's past post..he wants it now..! Steam always in there...
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 15, 2012, 08:33:49 PM
why isn't moore out there , at least he can shoot, dooling sucks
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Kiorrik on February 15, 2012, 08:34:59 PM
Good foul by Maxiel. Either you let Rondo past you, or you put him at the FT line.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:35:13 PM
JO in...WHY......
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 08:35:22 PM
I can't believe the Pistons wasted more money on Stuckey.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:35:42 PM
What PG was that..
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on February 15, 2012, 08:36:14 PM
All Star snubs are the ultimate motivation.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:36:29 PM
I can't believe the Pistons wasted more money on Stuckey.
did they resign him....he only played good a few years ago.."contract year"....
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 08:36:51 PM
I hate when Ray wants to lead the break.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Kiorrik on February 15, 2012, 08:37:35 PM
Ray. That was DUMB.

Ran right into Wilcox' path there.

Fan out. Create space. They're not going to leave you alone anywhere, so fan out and pass.

[dang].

We got bailed out though. Dumb refs too :p
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 15, 2012, 08:37:47 PM
rondo may have to give us another triple double for us to win.  PP is not even in this game
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: ejk3489 on February 15, 2012, 08:38:00 PM
I hate when Ray wants to lead the break.

My thoughts exactly...I cringe whenever he handles the ball.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Tgro on February 15, 2012, 08:38:14 PM
Getting Good Rondo again tonight!

Steams had some good minutes there. Nice rebounds.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:38:24 PM
Thanks for the Tp..someone...!  Hey, my team in the league is 4-0.....oohhh, they are starting to hate us.....strong league too....14 teams...all or mostly military....'cept my team.....
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 08:38:56 PM
I can't believe the Pistons wasted more money on Stuckey.
did they resign him....he only played good a few years ago.."contract year"....

RFA. 3 yr/25 million. Dumars is a dope.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: j804 on February 15, 2012, 08:39:15 PM
Ray scares me off the dribble...and not in a good way.  :o
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:39:51 PM
and NO, w are not "over 40"...the league is 18....49.....just because of me...player/ coach......put me in coaaaaccchhhhh....!Dern...
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:41:10 PM
I can't believe the Pistons wasted more money on Stuckey.
did they resign him....he only played good a few years ago.."contract year"....

WOW..that is free money....he is a waste, and he has PROVED it over the last 3 years.....vet min for him...

RFA. 3 yr/25 million. Dumars is a dope.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on February 15, 2012, 08:41:23 PM
rondo may have to give us another triple double for us to win.  PP is not even in this game
His numbers have been down ova these past few games maybe he's nursing an injury maybe him nd Rondo dont co-exist well
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:42:08 PM
Stuckey....named for how he stuck-ey his arm into the defender...!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 15, 2012, 08:42:23 PM
nothing moves slower than JO ...including my dead grandma
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 08:42:34 PM
and NO, w are not "over 40"...the league is 18....49.....just because of me...player/ coach......put me in coaaaaccchhhhh....!Dern...

player/coach? Very Bill Russell of you.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: blink on February 15, 2012, 08:43:18 PM
where did the 8 point lead go?  cmon celtics finish the half!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:43:22 PM
pp probably hurt..he'd play thru anything just to keep playing...he is addicted.....to hoop..!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on February 15, 2012, 08:44:17 PM
I HATE when Rondo takes contested layups on a fast break on 1 on 3 scenarios
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 08:44:58 PM
Wilcox, I take everything back I said about you and your momma.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 15, 2012, 08:45:33 PM
PP playing for Pistons tonight??
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: ejk3489 on February 15, 2012, 08:46:12 PM
Pierce and Ray both look off tonight...hopefully they'll get it going in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:46:36 PM
and NO, w are not "over 40"...the league is 18....49.....just because of me...player/ coach......put me in coaaaaccchhhhh....!Dern...

player/coach? Very Bill Russell of you.
Hahahaha, VERY generous of you...it is a little known fact that i have YET to put myself IN.....I am rough on the guys on what to do....but they are 24-36...and 1 big HAMMER who is 40....but they listen well, run, ect....besides, i can play pick up a lot of other nightsd..."Note to self, STOP loooking for passes playing pickup...LOL" I rebound dish..and the ball is just gone.....you know.."the designated SHOOTERs in pickup land..!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: jdz101 on February 15, 2012, 08:47:13 PM
I would much rather see a bit of moore than dooling....

Trade dooling for a cup of gatorade.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Tgro on February 15, 2012, 08:48:16 PM
We should have had a bigger lead at the half. I think we tighten up in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:48:17 PM
ysa, Rays shot is off, and his layups are short..he even missed a free throw.....he is still Ray.....maybe Ray needs some Rest too..play the purdue kid.....what is his name..?
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 15, 2012, 08:48:42 PM
anybody lese gonna show up and play other than Rondo and Wilcox?

If not we are in deep doo doo
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 08:50:42 PM
ysa, Rays shot is off, and his layups are short..he even missed a free throw.....he is still Ray.....maybe Ray needs some Rest too..play the purdue kid.....what is his name..?

I think his name is Glenn Robinson. Big Dog!!!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:51:00 PM
anybody lese gonna show up and play other than Rondo and Wilcox?

If not we are in deep doo doo
Steam looked good..for a guy who gets very little passes on offense, and is even still unselfish with the ball...right..?
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on February 15, 2012, 08:51:23 PM
anybody lese gonna show up and play other than Rondo and Wilcox?

If not we are in deep doo doo

Ray and JJJ seem to be playing pretty well.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:52:03 PM
ysa, Rays shot is off, and his layups are short..he even missed a free throw.....he is still Ray.....maybe Ray needs some Rest too..play the purdue kid.....what is his name..?

I think his name is Glenn Robinson. Big Dog!!!
that is the JJJ goy....right..what about the other guard guy..? is that moore..?
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on February 15, 2012, 08:52:33 PM
anybody lese gonna show up and play other than Rondo and Wilcox?

If not we are in deep doo doo
Steam looked good..for a guy who gets very little passes on offense, and is even still unselfish with the ball...right..?

That 1 and 2 is pretty [dang] impressive. :P
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: snively on February 15, 2012, 08:52:53 PM
Wilcox giveth and he taketh away.  Nonexistent help defense.  JO disappointing too - if he's not going to protect the paint, he's an enormous negative.

Non-Ray Celtics are shooting 4-12 from the free throw line!

But, otherwise, it's been a pleasure to watch the Rondo/Wilcox show offensively.  Dynamic.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 08:53:50 PM
anybody lese gonna show up and play other than Rondo and Wilcox?

If not we are in deep doo doo
Steam looked good..for a guy who gets very little passes on offense, and is even still unselfish with the ball...right..?

Poor Steamer and JJJ had to play most of their minutes with Bradley and Dooling running the show. Danny really needs to get a good backup pg. And not a shooting pg either. A true pg like Rondo.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:54:58 PM
anybody lese gonna show up and play other than Rondo and Wilcox?

If not we are in deep doo doo
Steam looked good..for a guy who gets very little passes on offense, and is even still unselfish with the ball...right..?

Poor Steamer and JJJ had to play most of their minutes with Bradley and Dooling running the show. Danny really needs to get a good backup pg. And not a shooting pg either. A true pg like Rondo.

Okay, I HAD to give you a TP for that one...that was right on the money.....!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 08:56:03 PM
ysa, Rays shot is off, and his layups are short..he even missed a free throw.....he is still Ray.....maybe Ray needs some Rest too..play the purdue kid.....what is his name..?

I think his name is Glenn Robinson. Big Dog!!!
that is the JJJ goy....right..what about the other guard guy..? is that moore..?

Moore is right. He played really well for about 3 games then got the Doc rookie treatment. Poor youngsters will never learn.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 15, 2012, 08:56:29 PM
JO having an amazing game
1 point
2 rebounds
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: jdz101 on February 15, 2012, 08:56:56 PM
LETS GO CELTICS
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 08:57:11 PM
Rondo has the only Celtic 3 in the game so far.....
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 15, 2012, 09:00:12 PM
Trade Rondo for Lin  ;D

just teasing
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on February 15, 2012, 09:01:01 PM
In much more important basketball news, Lin has 8 points and 10 assists early in the 3rd.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: blink on February 15, 2012, 09:01:45 PM
rondo with the step back...nice!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 15, 2012, 09:02:13 PM
trade AB and Dooling for Lin...

not teasing
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 09:02:33 PM
I tried to give as many Tps as I could during the halftime. Nice watching the game with ya'll tonight.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 09:02:57 PM
Well, Rondo shoots, Rondo passes, Rondo lays up...WHAT more do you want..?
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: ejk3489 on February 15, 2012, 09:02:57 PM
Two jumpers in a row for Rondo?!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on February 15, 2012, 09:03:14 PM
Rajon Bryant?  ???
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on February 15, 2012, 09:03:31 PM
I really wish Rondo wouldn't be so timid at the end of games. He clearly can hit the midrange jumper with some level of consistency.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on February 15, 2012, 09:04:35 PM
Rajon could easily go for 40 tonight.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: letsgoblue86 on February 15, 2012, 09:05:31 PM
Rondo are you serious?
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on February 15, 2012, 09:05:35 PM
ohhh If I was coach..i would be SCREAMING.."WHOS MAN IS THAT"...RONDOOOOOO.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: j804 on February 15, 2012, 09:05:43 PM
JO is worthless out there....and yea I know he took a charge
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on February 15, 2012, 09:05:50 PM
Wow.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 15, 2012, 09:06:00 PM
rondo ...gonna show Lin who got game ;D
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 09:06:18 PM
Who is the Danny Ferry looking guy that sits behind the bench?
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: blink on February 15, 2012, 09:06:25 PM
I think we are seeing angry Rondo tonight...
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Neurotic Guy on February 15, 2012, 09:07:05 PM
Reggie Miller is inhabiting the body of Rajon Rondo. Let it continue.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: ejk3489 on February 15, 2012, 09:07:19 PM
I love Rondo...
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Birdmanbr on February 15, 2012, 09:07:25 PM
Where are the Rondo traders tonight??
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: jdz101 on February 15, 2012, 09:07:36 PM
WOW JO time to go home buddy.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: nickagneta on February 15, 2012, 09:07:48 PM
Rondo is absolutely STROKING DA BALL tonight

For all the complaints about his outside shooting I am pretty sure just off observation that he is hitting a higher percentage of those mid range shots.

Anyone have a site that breaks down the shot percentage by distance other than 82games.com
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Kiorrik on February 15, 2012, 09:07:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qoSXxWHV7Q

There we go.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: j804 on February 15, 2012, 09:07:58 PM
Detroit = has bee Rondo'd
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 15, 2012, 09:08:09 PM
I think it would be a mistake to trade Rondo to the Lakers...
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Neurotic Guy on February 15, 2012, 09:09:23 PM
Nice pass Jermaine.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on February 15, 2012, 09:09:49 PM
I think it would be a mistake to trade Rondo to the Lakers...

I never entertained any of those threads. People act like All Star point guards are a dime a dozen.

Rondo is special and I'm more than proud to say he's a Celtic.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: blink on February 15, 2012, 09:09:55 PM
Our D is allowing too many 8-10 foot shots around the paint tonight.  too many good looks for the pistons.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: TenaciousD on February 15, 2012, 09:10:52 PM
The sudden appearance of the Good Rondo (vs his sulky evil twin) is a good thing.  Hope Ray-Paul are ok with the fact the Rajon, Wilcox and JJj have taken most of the shots.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: letsgoblue86 on February 15, 2012, 09:11:11 PM
Who does Stuckey think he is?
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on February 15, 2012, 09:11:18 PM
Rondo posting up Knight is about as effective an offensive strategy as we've had all year. :D
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: j804 on February 15, 2012, 09:11:19 PM
It's pretty clear KG = the Celtics defense
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: nickagneta on February 15, 2012, 09:11:26 PM
Rondo in transition

Rondo posting up

Rondo hitting mid range

Rondo hitting threes

Wow!!!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: snively on February 15, 2012, 09:11:36 PM
This Stuckey-Ray match-up is getting embarassing.  Put Ray on Knight.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 09:11:39 PM
Who put that statue of JO on the court?
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on February 15, 2012, 09:13:27 PM
It's pretty clear KG = the Celtics defense

Oh yeah. I just remembered KG was missing.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: blink on February 15, 2012, 09:13:54 PM
TP for  you.  exactly what I am thinking.  we gotta raise the energy level on D.  Pistons are hanging around too long...

It's pretty clear KG = the Celtics defense
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 09:14:58 PM
Wilcox and JJJ seem to have nice chemistry.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: TenaciousD on February 15, 2012, 09:15:06 PM
Man, The Magi'skinned the Sixers by 16. No gain there. But the Cavs just plain spanked the Pacers (20).
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: ejk3489 on February 15, 2012, 09:16:05 PM
JJ BLOCK!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: j804 on February 15, 2012, 09:16:16 PM
Triple J

I love it !!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: blink on February 15, 2012, 09:16:28 PM
love the JJJ block.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 09:17:08 PM
JJ BLOCK!


Ainge is a genius.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on February 15, 2012, 09:17:18 PM
C'mon, Ben Gordon. You aren't fouled if you drop the ball.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: nickagneta on February 15, 2012, 09:17:22 PM
Wilcox and JJJ seem to have nice chemistry.
Offensively...defensively they aren't patrolling the paint very well...but neither is JO.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: j804 on February 15, 2012, 09:17:25 PM
Come on Dooling sheesh
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on February 15, 2012, 09:18:35 PM
Rondo for MVP.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on February 15, 2012, 09:19:04 PM
My goodness, lol.....we'd better not trade Rondo, I guess ;D
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: ejk3489 on February 15, 2012, 09:19:28 PM
Rondo is putting on a clinic!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on February 15, 2012, 09:19:35 PM
Rondo is pure sex tonight.

Also, Yahoo! just credited Solomon Jones for a defensive rebound for the Celtics.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: TenaciousD on February 15, 2012, 09:19:36 PM
 Pistons are hanging around too long

Right.  Need to get a little run and close out those people.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: j804 on February 15, 2012, 09:19:49 PM
Rondo making a strong case as Rose's replacement in the All Star game  8)
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: nickagneta on February 15, 2012, 09:19:51 PM
Thank god for Rondo tonight because Ray and Pierce are invisible.

Wonder how many threads there will be tomorrow about Paul and Ray not bringing it every night and disappearing during long periods of games?
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 15, 2012, 09:20:36 PM
introducing the all NEW !!!!

RONDOMATIC
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Tgro on February 15, 2012, 09:20:39 PM
Pretty good stretch of defense there.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: TenaciousD on February 15, 2012, 09:21:58 PM
Rondo is putting on a clinic

He has flipped his stat line. used to be 21 assts and 5 shots. Since when? Makes me wonder what's going on with the team dynamic.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on February 15, 2012, 09:22:13 PM
Thank god for Rondo tonight because Ray and Pierce are invisible.

Wonder how many threads there will be tomorrow about Paul and Ray not bringing it every night and disappearing during long periods of games?

Cue the "Who can we get with a Ray/PP package?" threads  ::)
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 15, 2012, 09:22:30 PM
we sure could use a good kick in the  BASS tonight  ;)
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on February 15, 2012, 09:23:20 PM
Incredibly athletic move by Johnson there. Too bad he got blocked on it.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on February 15, 2012, 09:24:17 PM
Rondo's greatness aside, this game is way too close. Not good.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Eja117 on February 15, 2012, 09:24:38 PM
So we can end the JJJ vs JON thing now, right?
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on February 15, 2012, 09:25:37 PM
So we can end the JJJ vs JON thing now, right?

There was a JJJ vs JON thing?
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: jdz101 on February 15, 2012, 09:26:12 PM
Other than the start of the season Ray's effort has been disappointing.

Captain is just having an off night.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: TenaciousD on February 15, 2012, 09:26:14 PM
Ray and Pierce are invisible



They havent had a chance. Rondo has gone off in shoot first mode and when he dishes, its to Chris and Jj.  Hope winning trumps touches.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: get_banners on February 15, 2012, 09:26:22 PM
why is dooling in vs. bradley? seriously....the pistons shot an absurdly high percentage in the 3rd quarter. we need some serious defense, esp. vs. stucky...so why not turn bradley loose on him? dooling is understandably rusty, but playing him this many minutes may come back to haunt us.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 15, 2012, 09:26:27 PM
Chance we win this thing....no PP, NO KG and no O from Ray.,?????
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: j804 on February 15, 2012, 09:26:45 PM
Don't worry Pierce will carry us and close this out midway through the 4th
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: nickagneta on February 15, 2012, 09:26:47 PM
Hard to win a game if you are the Celtics when KG and Bass are hurt and JO, Ray, and Pierce don't show up.

This game is basically what we can expect post Big Three.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: snively on February 15, 2012, 09:26:57 PM
The Pistons are playing significantly better defense than we are now that we don't have the Rondo/Knight match-up in the post.

Maybe we need to start going under on those Stuckey screens. 
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Tgro on February 15, 2012, 09:27:02 PM
....and then the defense went away and now we end the quarter down one. Eh, the 4th quarter is making me nervous. Hope we don't see the ugly side of things now. We've got enough good things happening to take this going away but only if we play right.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: blink on February 15, 2012, 09:27:28 PM
We just aren't good enough on D tonight.  We are allowing too much penetration right now.  It is getting easier looks for the pistons.  M Pietrus struggling a bit on D tonight.  We need to crank up the effort or this could do either way.  uggg
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Eja117 on February 15, 2012, 09:28:02 PM
So we can end the JJJ vs JON thing now, right?

There was a JJJ vs JON thing?
It was more Wilcox actually, but JJJ mattered
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 15, 2012, 09:28:09 PM
Gesse pette...put the Moore kid in and let him have  shot ...maybe he'll get a streak going.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 09:29:38 PM
Pierce, you are a good passer too.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Neurotic Guy on February 15, 2012, 09:29:49 PM
PP/RA 1-9 from the field. 
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: blink on February 15, 2012, 09:30:03 PM
There are some nights when Rondo goes crazy on offense it seems to be worse for the team.  I love seeing Rondo go off, but often those games often leave PP and RA not involved in O enough to be involved in the game as they should be...don't know what to do about it though haha.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on February 15, 2012, 09:30:39 PM
PP gotta come alive.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on February 15, 2012, 09:31:28 PM
okay!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: vinnie on February 15, 2012, 09:32:39 PM
Come on Celts. I know you have guys out, but this team has won two road games this year.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on February 15, 2012, 09:33:54 PM
....
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Redz on February 15, 2012, 09:34:15 PM
ugly stretch
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: TenaciousD on February 15, 2012, 09:34:31 PM
Don't worry Pierce will carry us
Hopefully not into an iso meltdown.  Meanwhile, get some stops!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: ejk3489 on February 15, 2012, 09:34:33 PM
Ok, I'm officially worried we're going to lose this game...
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: get_banners on February 15, 2012, 09:34:41 PM
terrible pass from ray. also...the pistons (esp. gordon) are hitting everything they throw up. we need to D up like crazy, or else this will be a definite loss.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 09:34:43 PM
This ain't good. Ray Allen looks bad right now.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: JOMVP on February 15, 2012, 09:34:58 PM
Put Rondo back in so he can keep increasing his trade value!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: RayAllen4Three on February 15, 2012, 09:35:01 PM
Rondo was the only thing even keeping us in this game  :P
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: vinnie on February 15, 2012, 09:35:04 PM
Very discouraging. Pierce and Ray not involved at all tonight. Looks like if they are going to win, Rondo will have to do it alone.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Neurotic Guy on February 15, 2012, 09:35:19 PM
Ugly right now but there is plenty of time to get this one.

This would be a terrible game to lose. 
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: letsgoblue86 on February 15, 2012, 09:35:24 PM
Ben Gordon is just the worst, guy never makes shots unless he's playing the Boston Celtics.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 15, 2012, 09:35:32 PM
We are doing our best to lose this game folks
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: snively on February 15, 2012, 09:35:33 PM
Some bewildering defense here.  Stiemsma sagging off Gordon with 1 on the shot clock, Jajuan Johnson guarding nobody 18 feet from the hoop when his man's in the paint, Bradley doubling Wilkins in the post against Pierce?

Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: jdz101 on February 15, 2012, 09:35:41 PM
what is ray doing
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: j804 on February 15, 2012, 09:36:24 PM
Gordon kills us every time smh
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Tgro on February 15, 2012, 09:36:40 PM
I'm worried but faithful.

Come on Celtics.

Time to wake up and win this!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: vinnie on February 15, 2012, 09:36:51 PM
JJ good on offense, terrible on defense
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: blink on February 15, 2012, 09:37:04 PM
We need to raise the intensity on D or this is going to be a horrible loss.  Bradley left gordon to double down low, but we need pressure on the shooters from Detroit right now.  gotta think bradley, play with your head too.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: TenaciousD on February 15, 2012, 09:37:58 PM
what is ray doing

Sulking?  Seriously, if Im getting this right Rondo has just gone off and doesnt appear to be waiting on Ray to come off screens.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: ejk3489 on February 15, 2012, 09:38:06 PM
Pierce looks terrible
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: get_banners on February 15, 2012, 09:38:24 PM
terrible shot by pierce...heavily contested jumpers are not the way to go.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: j804 on February 15, 2012, 09:38:34 PM
Pierce is playing like crap looks 50 yrs old
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on February 15, 2012, 09:38:44 PM
Heh, the Pistons announcer must have missed Rondo sitting down for a while, because he decided to point out how quiet he's been lately.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 09:38:49 PM
Pierce, quit playing hero and give Rondo the ball.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on February 15, 2012, 09:39:00 PM
Embarassing.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: vinnie on February 15, 2012, 09:39:25 PM
Win or lose tonight, this team will be irrelevant after this road trip
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: RayAllen4Three on February 15, 2012, 09:39:35 PM
That was the dagger
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Redz on February 15, 2012, 09:39:41 PM
Pistons are running circles around the Celts right now
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: blink on February 15, 2012, 09:40:23 PM
our big men defensive rotations are so BAD.
unbelievable
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on February 15, 2012, 09:41:15 PM
Such awful defense right now. Painful to watch.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: snively on February 15, 2012, 09:41:30 PM
Rondo got fouled there.  Dang!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: vinnie on February 15, 2012, 09:41:43 PM
And the Pistons on the verge of picking up its third road win. Nice.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: get_banners on February 15, 2012, 09:42:28 PM
we aren't playing good enough on D and are too sloppy on offense. we don't deserve this game at all. pierce and ray didn't show up at all tonight - and its not rondo's fault. if rondo doesn't go off, this is a blowout loss.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 09:42:37 PM
This Monroe is the real deal.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: slamtheking on February 15, 2012, 09:42:45 PM
joined late tonight.  anyone care to provide 2-3 sentence recap of why we're crapping the bed on this without me going back to read 17 pages of posts?
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Tgro on February 15, 2012, 09:43:04 PM
Got that slow losing 4th quarter look again. And this time we don't have a lead to play with. They got to go all out or we're losing this one. 
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on February 15, 2012, 09:43:06 PM
glad i didnt see this one

u guys are killing me by the comments
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Kiorrik on February 15, 2012, 09:43:11 PM
It's pretty safe to say that we need KG for some defense, and Bass for some offense.

JJJ & co just don't cut it yet, on D. Neither does Rondo btw, he's getting lazier and lazier on defense.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: get_banners on February 15, 2012, 09:43:31 PM
also...we need to put JO back in. monroe is abusing us inside.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: nickagneta on February 15, 2012, 09:43:31 PM
Pierce and Ray have been awful but do people get why rookies can't always be relied upon, especially if they aren't great natural defenders.

The rookies defense have been dismal all game.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: ejk3489 on February 15, 2012, 09:43:38 PM
I look foward to this loss being somehow blamed on Rondo...
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: jdz101 on February 15, 2012, 09:43:46 PM
Make your free throws and in you're in a completely different situation right now.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: snively on February 15, 2012, 09:43:48 PM
joined late tonight.  anyone care to provide 2-3 sentence recap of why we're crapping the bed on this without me going back to read 17 pages of posts?

Complete no show from Ray and the bigs defensively.  Excellent aggressive play from Gordon and Stuckey and Monroe.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: blink on February 15, 2012, 09:43:53 PM
this type of game is why there is so much negativity about the celtics.  so inconsistent, and losing to teams that they should easily beat.  always getting caught in the trap games.

this is the type of situation (down 10 in the 4th, and need stops) that we should be able to come back from, but I don't see it happening tonight.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: henr1k on February 15, 2012, 09:43:58 PM
KG and JO out => no interior defense. Layup drill for all mighty Pistons.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Tgro on February 15, 2012, 09:44:21 PM
I look foward to this loss being somehow blamed on Rondo...

He hasn't been that good in the 4th
Title: Rondo
Post by: Pkr10781 on February 15, 2012, 09:44:25 PM
Every time he has a real good paul and ray cant get nothing to fall
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: JOMVP on February 15, 2012, 09:44:28 PM
Missing KG's defense down low in this game. Really shows how much he still does for this team on that end of the court.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 09:44:37 PM
joined late tonight.  anyone care to provide 2-3 sentence recap of why we're crapping the bed on this without me going back to read 17 pages of posts?

Great Rondo shooting.

Equally bad Pierce and Allen.

Ben Gordon hot 2nd half.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: vinnie on February 15, 2012, 09:44:44 PM
Embarrassing. The offense has completely collapsed again.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: jdz101 on February 15, 2012, 09:46:20 PM
Ray may aswell be invisible tonight
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on February 15, 2012, 09:46:25 PM
I look foward to this loss being somehow blamed on Rondo...

He hasn't been that good in the 4th


He was sort of out of the game for a good chunk of the 4th.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: TenaciousD on February 15, 2012, 09:47:13 PM
I look foward to this loss being somehow blamed on Rondo...

He hasn't been that good in the 4th


Would appear to be playing with a bit of a chip on his shoulder? Might make it harder to slide on D. In any case, looks like its another one down the crapper, er commode.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 09:47:19 PM
Pierce and Ray have been awful but do people get why rookies can't always be relied upon, especially if they aren't great natural defenders.

The rookies defense have been dismal all game.

I think JJJ and Steamer are great natural defenders. This system is just very difficult and may not be very effective if KG is not anchoring it.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: nickagneta on February 15, 2012, 09:48:13 PM
Wilcox is a smart vet. Pierce is calling for the ball and he looks him off and is trying to get the ball to Rondo.

Why?

He knows Pierce doesn't have it tonight.

Watch closely if he has Pierce open he is still looking elsewhere.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Eja117 on February 15, 2012, 09:48:19 PM
trying to figure out how Doc is planning to lose this one...
I guess we know the answer to this now
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: vinnie on February 15, 2012, 09:48:34 PM
Celts will drop to the 8th seed on this road trip.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: get_banners on February 15, 2012, 09:48:45 PM
pietraus has also been pretty much invisible tonight. maybe a result of the knee injury.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: JOMVP on February 15, 2012, 09:48:51 PM
I look foward to this loss being somehow blamed on Rondo...

Allow me.

In short, I believe his offense has ran the team right out of rythm tonight.

All Rondo did tonight was make shots that he normally doesn't make. If he was taking those jump shots and they weren't falling we'd be having the same discussion as we normally are. He dribbled the ball on the shot clock down to 5/6 seconds every trip and didn't get Ray and Pierce in rythm.

Defensive end. Hasn't denied Stuckey the ball all night.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: bruinsandceltics on February 15, 2012, 09:48:51 PM
This team SUCKS
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on February 15, 2012, 09:49:41 PM
"good things come to those who break clay pots"

ill but that shirt for a dolla

*sippin*

Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: j804 on February 15, 2012, 09:49:45 PM
Is it just me or do always spiral into ugly stretches after losing to LA??

Yuck
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: blink on February 15, 2012, 09:49:57 PM
Pietrus has been less than good on D tonight...
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: snively on February 15, 2012, 09:50:15 PM
This team SUCKS

Without KG, and with Ray/Pierce struggling so badly offensively, yep.  Not enough quality on either side of the ball.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: vinnie on February 15, 2012, 09:50:25 PM
Danny is going to be burning up the phone lines the next 30 days
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: TenaciousD on February 15, 2012, 09:51:33 PM
[Rondo's] offense has ran the team right out of rythm tonight. He dribbled the ball on the shot clock down to 5/6 seconds every trip and didn't get Ray and Pierce in rythm.
Defensive end. Hasn't denied Stuckey the ball all night.

Aha. Thought so.  Chip. 
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: nickagneta on February 15, 2012, 09:52:15 PM
Pierce and Ray have been awful but do people get why rookies can't always be relied upon, especially if they aren't great natural defenders.

The rookies defense have been dismal all game.

I think JJJ and Steamer are great natural defenders. This system is just very difficult and may not be very effective if KG is not anchoring it.
You are kidding right.

I'm not talking defenders as in let's play one on one, wow, he's a great defender playing one guy. I mean great natural shutdown and team oriented defenders.

Stiemsma can block shots weak side but he gives up position down low and his rotations and pick and roll defense is awful.

Johnson is not strong enough down low nor is he the best one on one defender. Again he gets lost on rotations.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on February 15, 2012, 09:52:56 PM
I look foward to this loss being somehow blamed on Rondo...

Allow me.

In short, I believe his offense has ran the team right out of rythm tonight.

All Rondo did tonight was make shots that he normally doesn't make. If he was taking those jump shots and they weren't falling we'd be having the same discussion as we normally are. He dribbled the ball on the shot clock down to 5/6 seconds every trip and didn't get Ray and Pierce in rythm.

Defensive end. Hasn't denied Stuckey the ball all night.

LOL.

It never fails.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: jdz101 on February 15, 2012, 09:53:14 PM
They are shaq hacking rondo
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: ejk3489 on February 15, 2012, 09:53:49 PM
I look foward to this loss being somehow blamed on Rondo...

Allow me.

In short, I believe his offense has ran the team right out of rythm tonight.

All Rondo did tonight was make shots that he normally doesn't make. If he was taking those jump shots and they weren't falling we'd be having the same discussion as we normally are. He dribbled the ball on the shot clock down to 5/6 seconds every trip and didn't get Ray and Pierce in rythm.

Defensive end. Hasn't denied Stuckey the ball all night.

People complain he doesn't take wide open jumpshots he's allowed all game...he takes them (and makes them), and it's his fault the team is out of rhythm.

People complain he doesn't attack the basket enough, he is aggressive all night and now that's taking away shots from Pierce and Ray.

Whatever man, I'm resigned to the fact that people will blame all of the teams problems on Rondo no matter how he plays.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: TenaciousD on February 15, 2012, 09:54:27 PM
Danny is going to be burning up the phone lines the next 30 days

He's boxed in a co0rner though, because Rondo is his only chip and he's the only game changer in the lineup. Paul and Ray can put up some numbers but I think both are past the point when they can take over.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: j804 on February 15, 2012, 09:54:27 PM
Wait till the last 3 minutes to actually play defense great !!!!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: slamtheking on February 15, 2012, 09:54:31 PM
joined late tonight.  anyone care to provide 2-3 sentence recap of why we're crapping the bed on this without me going back to read 17 pages of posts?

Complete no show from Ray and the bigs defensively.  Excellent aggressive play from Gordon and Stuckey and Monroe.
thanks, TP for the update
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on February 15, 2012, 09:54:54 PM
Rondo is playing pretty [dang] well right now.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: vinnie on February 15, 2012, 09:54:58 PM
I'm not blaming anyone. This team just isn't that good.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on February 15, 2012, 09:55:03 PM
I look foward to this loss being somehow blamed on Rondo...

Allow me.

In short, I believe his offense has ran the team right out of rythm tonight.

All Rondo did tonight was make shots that he normally doesn't make. If he was taking those jump shots and they weren't falling we'd be having the same discussion as we normally are. He dribbled the ball on the shot clock down to 5/6 seconds every trip and didn't get Ray and Pierce in rythm.

Defensive end. Hasn't denied Stuckey the ball all night.

People complain he doesn't take wide open jumpshots he's allowed all game...he takes them (and makes them), and it's his fault the team is out of rhythm.

People complain he doesn't attack the basket enough, he is aggressive all night and now that's taking away shots from Pierce and Ray.

Whatever man, I'm resigned to the fact that people will blame all of the teams problems on Rondo no matter how he plays.

TP!!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: blink on February 15, 2012, 09:55:27 PM
Cmon Ray you gotta fight for the ball!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on February 15, 2012, 09:56:06 PM
Man!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Tgro on February 15, 2012, 09:56:23 PM
Game
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: vinnie on February 15, 2012, 09:56:24 PM
How many do they win on this trip? I say 2-4
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: slamtheking on February 15, 2012, 09:56:25 PM
joined late tonight.  anyone care to provide 2-3 sentence recap of why we're crapping the bed on this without me going back to read 17 pages of posts?

Great Rondo shooting.

Equally bad Pierce and Allen.

Ben Gordon hot 2nd half.
TP for your updates too
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: bruinsandceltics on February 15, 2012, 09:56:27 PM
Losing to the Raptors and Pistons in one week.

Blow this up. It isn't worth making the playoffs and losing in the first round. Get us a lotto pick. This is embarrassing.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on February 15, 2012, 09:56:35 PM
Embarassing loss.

Rondo played great.

PP and Ray were useless.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: letsgoblue86 on February 15, 2012, 09:56:55 PM
I hate Ben Gordon.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: get_banners on February 15, 2012, 09:56:58 PM
horrible offense. yet another miss from pietraus. we've gotten basically nothing from him, pierce, or ray tonight. ball game.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: vinnie on February 15, 2012, 09:57:04 PM
Losing to the Raptors and Pistons in one week.

Blow this up. It isn't worth making the playoffs and losing in the first round. Get us a lotto pick. This is embarrassing.

This
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: RayAllen4Three on February 15, 2012, 09:57:20 PM
We are the worst 4th quarter team in the NBA. Lebron can sleep a little easier now.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on February 15, 2012, 09:57:37 PM
Losing to the Raptors and Pistons in one week.

Blow this up. It isn't worth making the playoffs and losing in the first round. Get us a lotto pick. This is embarrassing.

It's not like we're missing our top 2 PFs or anything.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: JOMVP on February 15, 2012, 09:58:01 PM
I look foward to this loss being somehow blamed on Rondo...

Allow me.

In short, I believe his offense has ran the team right out of rythm tonight.

All Rondo did tonight was make shots that he normally doesn't make. If he was taking those jump shots and they weren't falling we'd be having the same discussion as we normally are. He dribbled the ball on the shot clock down to 5/6 seconds every trip and didn't get Ray and Pierce in rythm.

Defensive end. Hasn't denied Stuckey the ball all night.

People complain he doesn't take wide open jumpshots he's allowed all game...he takes them (and makes them), and it's his fault the team is out of rhythm.

People complain he doesn't attack the basket enough, he is aggressive all night and now that's taking away shots from Pierce and Ray.

Whatever man, I'm resigned to the fact that people will blame all of the teams problems on Rondo no matter how he plays.


Yeah, he's making them tonight. He's also 0/3 on his jumpers in the 4th quarter now.

Where was he in the Lakers game down the stretch? Running the ball on offense down to 8 seconds on the shot clock with Kobe playing 10 ft off him clanking jumpers.

Show me you are consistent, and I'll back off.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: blink on February 15, 2012, 09:58:10 PM
Ray again...you gotta rotate.  This is so frustrating.  Pistons are on fire from the outside, and our veterans can't figure out they need to run them off the 3 point line.  

There have been discussions recently about Ray's D not being that bad statistically.  But it is just hurting us at really bad times.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: bruinsandceltics on February 15, 2012, 09:58:22 PM
Losing to the Raptors and Pistons in one week.

Blow this up. It isn't worth making the playoffs and losing in the first round. Get us a lotto pick. This is embarrassing.

It's not like we're missing our top 2 PFs or anything.

Lol...I don't care who we are missing. This team should never lose to the Pistons. Period.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: greensquirrel on February 15, 2012, 09:58:29 PM
Post-Big Three Celtics don't look good...
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Atzar on February 15, 2012, 09:58:35 PM
Wow.  Any shot not taken by Rondo or Wilcox was a bad shot in this game.

Not gonna win many games when that's the case.  Rondo played out of his mind, though, credit where it's due.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: letsgoblue86 on February 15, 2012, 09:58:53 PM
Just turned it off, night.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on February 15, 2012, 09:58:59 PM
I hate the excessive fouling at the end of games. We all know the game is over. Give them the chance to widen the margin of victory for WHAT?
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: vinnie on February 15, 2012, 09:59:10 PM
Losing to the Raptors and Pistons in one week.

Blow this up. It isn't worth making the playoffs and losing in the first round. Get us a lotto pick. This is embarrassing.

It's not like we're missing our top 2 PFs or anything.

Please. Detroit is horrendous
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: j804 on February 15, 2012, 09:59:24 PM
Rondo played how many minutes???

I doubt he has anything left tomorrow
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on February 15, 2012, 10:00:03 PM
I look foward to this loss being somehow blamed on Rondo...

Allow me.

In short, I believe his offense has ran the team right out of rythm tonight.

All Rondo did tonight was make shots that he normally doesn't make. If he was taking those jump shots and they weren't falling we'd be having the same discussion as we normally are. He dribbled the ball on the shot clock down to 5/6 seconds every trip and didn't get Ray and Pierce in rythm.

Defensive end. Hasn't denied Stuckey the ball all night.

People complain he doesn't take wide open jumpshots he's allowed all game...he takes them (and makes them), and it's his fault the team is out of rhythm.

People complain he doesn't attack the basket enough, he is aggressive all night and now that's taking away shots from Pierce and Ray.

Whatever man, I'm resigned to the fact that people will blame all of the teams problems on Rondo no matter how he plays.


Yeah, he's making them tonight. He's also 0/3 on his jumpers in the 4th quarter now.

Where was he in the Lakers game down the stretch? Running the ball on offense down to 8 seconds on the shot clock with Kobe playing 10 ft off him clanking jumpers.

Show me you are consistent, and I'll back off.

And you have nothing to say about the efforts of Paul and Ray tonight? Rondo is the reason we lost? Really?

Give me a break.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on February 15, 2012, 10:00:16 PM
Well... At least we still haven't given up 100 points since the second game? :P
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: TenaciousD on February 15, 2012, 10:00:24 PM
Rondo played great. PP and Ray were useless.

Well, Rondo put up some numbers.  Not exactly the same thing. Sure wanst setting the table  like he can do.  And his D?  I smell a whiff of dysfunction here.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Eja117 on February 15, 2012, 10:00:52 PM
I'm not blaming anyone. This team just isn't that good.
The only Celtics in the building right now with anything resembling killer instinct is Bill Russell and Tommy
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Chief on February 15, 2012, 10:00:54 PM
Pierce and Ray have been awful but do people get why rookies can't always be relied upon, especially if they aren't great natural defenders.

The rookies defense have been dismal all game.

I think JJJ and Steamer are great natural defenders. This system is just very difficult and may not be very effective if KG is not anchoring it.
You are kidding right.

I'm not talking defenders as in let's play one on one, wow, he's a great defender playing one guy. I mean great natural shutdown and team oriented defenders.

Stiemsma can block shots weak side but he gives up position down low and his rotations and pick and roll defense is awful.

Johnson is not strong enough down low nor is he the best one on one defender. Again he gets lost on rotations.

JJJ Big Ten defensive player of the year.

Steamer D-League defensive player of the year.

Like I said before, it's a tough defensive system to learn. And I'm not sure it works without KG.

Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on February 15, 2012, 10:01:16 PM
Losing to the Raptors and Pistons in one week.

Blow this up. It isn't worth making the playoffs and losing in the first round. Get us a lotto pick. This is embarrassing.

It's not like we're missing our top 2 PFs or anything.

Lol...I don't care who we are missing. This team should never lose to the Pistons. Period.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: vinnie on February 15, 2012, 10:01:45 PM
Rondo played great. PP and Ray were useless.

Well, Rondo put up some numbers.  Not exactly the same thing. Sure wanst setting the table  like he can do.  And his D?  I smell a whiff of dysfunction here.

That is why the trading should begin. This team is becoming dysfunctional
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on February 15, 2012, 10:02:16 PM
Losing to the Raptors and Pistons in one week.

Blow this up. It isn't worth making the playoffs and losing in the first round. Get us a lotto pick. This is embarrassing.

It's not like we're missing our top 2 PFs or anything.

Please. Detroit is horrendous

It's still worth noting that KG and Bass are out. I'm not going to pass judgment on our team if its missing two of the best five players on the team.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on February 15, 2012, 10:02:27 PM
Ben Gordon underachieves all year but then goes ham tonight smh unbelievable and we're not a better team when Rondo takes nearly 30 shots Pierce nd Ray were in a horrible rhythm cuz Rondo was overly aggressive
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: JOMVP on February 15, 2012, 10:03:28 PM
I look foward to this loss being somehow blamed on Rondo...

Allow me.

In short, I believe his offense has ran the team right out of rythm tonight.

All Rondo did tonight was make shots that he normally doesn't make. If he was taking those jump shots and they weren't falling we'd be having the same discussion as we normally are. He dribbled the ball on the shot clock down to 5/6 seconds every trip and didn't get Ray and Pierce in rythm.

Defensive end. Hasn't denied Stuckey the ball all night.

People complain he doesn't take wide open jumpshots he's allowed all game...he takes them (and makes them), and it's his fault the team is out of rhythm.

People complain he doesn't attack the basket enough, he is aggressive all night and now that's taking away shots from Pierce and Ray.

Whatever man, I'm resigned to the fact that people will blame all of the teams problems on Rondo no matter how he plays.


Yeah, he's making them tonight. He's also 0/3 on his jumpers in the 4th quarter now.

Where was he in the Lakers game down the stretch? Running the ball on offense down to 8 seconds on the shot clock with Kobe playing 10 ft off him clanking jumpers.

Show me you are consistent, and I'll back off.

And you have nothing to say about the efforts of Paul and Ray tonight? Rondo is the reason we lost? Really?

Give me a break.

What was EVERYONE's complaint after the Lakers game? Rondo's man plays 10ft off him, playing centerfield and denying Pierce getting to the hoop and Ray coming clean off of picks.

How is that ANY different tonight besides the fact that he was hitting his jumpshot which he consistently has never done.


Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: apc on February 15, 2012, 10:04:31 PM
Losing to the Raptors and Pistons in one week.

Blow this up. It isn't worth making the playoffs and losing in the first round. Get us a lotto pick. This is embarrassing.

It's not like we're missing our top 2 PFs or anything.

Lol...I don't care who we are missing. This team should never lose to the Pistons. Period.
get use to it, we are a 500 team, that means sometime we beat really good teams, and sometime we lose to terrible teams!
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: blink on February 15, 2012, 10:04:43 PM
PP and RA need to somehow keep themselves involved when Rondo gets really hot.  I don't want to say they are sulking, but if your team mate is on fire, you gotta support that AND keep yourself in the game mentally. It seemed like PP /RA checked out mentally.  It didn't seem like there was 100% effort from them on either side of the ball tonight.  

It really hurts the team D...
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on February 15, 2012, 10:05:12 PM
Rondo can never do anything right. Which is why the Lakers amongst many other teams are currently foaming at the mouth for him  ::)

Trade him. Go ahead. I would love to see what this team looks like when he's gone.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Eja117 on February 15, 2012, 10:05:40 PM
Gary T just uttered some of the scariest words in Celticsdom......Donny Marshall will try to explain it all after the break.

Time to change the channel. Oh. Now it's the Matt Damon ad. Now it's really time to change the channel. My male hormones feel a hundred years old. I'm gonna watch that Fiat Arbath commercial on youtube
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: bruinsandceltics on February 15, 2012, 10:06:23 PM
Losing to the Raptors and Pistons in one week.

Blow this up. It isn't worth making the playoffs and losing in the first round. Get us a lotto pick. This is embarrassing.

It's not like we're missing our top 2 PFs or anything.

Lol...I don't care who we are missing. This team should never lose to the Pistons. Period.
get use to it, we are a 500 team, that means sometime we beat really good teams, and sometime we lose to terrible teams!

No. I'm not going to get used to it. If we are a .500 team then it is time to trade everything. Period.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Tgro on February 15, 2012, 10:06:49 PM
Well... At least we still haven't given up 100 points since the second game? :P

Yes...that was the only thing I wanted at the end. But a far cry from what I really wanted.

Let me reiterate.

Paul and Ray....SUCKED! (Can we get all our guys playing good at once?)

Rondo, for 3 quarters....Great! Last quarter.....Not so much.

I miss KG.

Bad loss. No matter how many decent things we might have seen. Bad loss.

Not enough team tonight...

Individual performances < Team Ball. 
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: apc on February 15, 2012, 10:07:10 PM
Ben Gordon underachieves all year but then goes ham tonight smh unbelievable and we're not a better team when Rondo takes nearly 30 shots Pierce nd Ray were in a horrible rhythm cuz Rondo was overly aggressive
agree, Rondo needs to be aggressive but make sure ray and pierce get in the game
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on February 15, 2012, 10:07:32 PM
I look foward to this loss being somehow blamed on Rondo...

Allow me.

In short, I believe his offense has ran the team right out of rythm tonight.

All Rondo did tonight was make shots that he normally doesn't make. If he was taking those jump shots and they weren't falling we'd be having the same discussion as we normally are. He dribbled the ball on the shot clock down to 5/6 seconds every trip and didn't get Ray and Pierce in rythm.

Defensive end. Hasn't denied Stuckey the ball all night.

People complain he doesn't take wide open jumpshots he's allowed all game...he takes them (and makes them), and it's his fault the team is out of rhythm.

People complain he doesn't attack the basket enough, he is aggressive all night and now that's taking away shots from Pierce and Ray.

Whatever man, I'm resigned to the fact that people will blame all of the teams problems on Rondo no matter how he plays.


Yeah, he's making them tonight. He's also 0/3 on his jumpers in the 4th quarter now.

Where was he in the Lakers game down the stretch? Running the ball on offense down to 8 seconds on the shot clock with Kobe playing 10 ft off him clanking jumpers.

Show me you are consistent, and I'll back off.

And you have nothing to say about the efforts of Paul and Ray tonight? Rondo is the reason we lost? Really?

Give me a break.

What was EVERYONE's complaint after the Lakers game? Rondo's man plays 10ft off him, playing centerfield and denying Pierce getting to the hoop and Ray coming clean off of picks.

How is that ANY different tonight besides the fact that he was hitting his jumpshot which he consistently has never done.




Who is everyone? It wasn't my complaint. My complaint was the lack of rebounding and the amount of second chance buckets the Lakers got.

Rondo's man plays 10 ft off him denying Pierce and Ray their shots. Cool. I get it. What else is he supposed to do other than make the shots they're leaving him open for???
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Swoopz on February 15, 2012, 10:07:38 PM
I look foward to this loss being somehow blamed on Rondo...

Allow me.

In short, I believe his offense has ran the team right out of rythm tonight.

All Rondo did tonight was make shots that he normally doesn't make. If he was taking those jump shots and they weren't falling we'd be having the same discussion as we normally are. He dribbled the ball on the shot clock down to 5/6 seconds every trip and didn't get Ray and Pierce in rythm.

Defensive end. Hasn't denied Stuckey the ball all night.

People complain he doesn't take wide open jumpshots he's allowed all game...he takes them (and makes them), and it's his fault the team is out of rhythm.

People complain he doesn't attack the basket enough, he is aggressive all night and now that's taking away shots from Pierce and Ray.

Whatever man, I'm resigned to the fact that people will blame all of the teams problems on Rondo no matter how he plays.


Yeah, he's making them tonight. He's also 0/3 on his jumpers in the 4th quarter now.

Where was he in the Lakers game down the stretch? Running the ball on offense down to 8 seconds on the shot clock with Kobe playing 10 ft off him clanking jumpers.

Show me you are consistent, and I'll back off.

And you have nothing to say about the efforts of Paul and Ray tonight? Rondo is the reason we lost? Really?

Give me a break.

What was EVERYONE's complaint after the Lakers game? Rondo's man plays 10ft off him, playing centerfield and denying Pierce getting to the hoop and Ray coming clean off of picks.

How is that ANY different tonight besides the fact that he was hitting his jumpshot which he consistently has never done.




Wait, so what are you arguing about again? Rondo didn't play well in the 4th quarter, but I find it hilarious that people still point to him as the reason we lost. Doesn't have anything to do with our 2 main scorers being absolutely nonexistent, or us missing our best defensive player.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on February 15, 2012, 10:08:01 PM
I thought we was turning the corner during that winning streak we had but iont like how we've regressed lately
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: blink on February 15, 2012, 10:08:15 PM
I disagree, a lot.  We WANT Rondo to be aggressive.  RA / PP need to make an impact to the game in another way when someone is on fire offensively.  To much standing around by PP / RA in the 3rd and 4th quarter.  Find a way to make an impact and make a play.  Rondo playing well doesn't stop them from playing well.  No way.

Ben Gordon underachieves all year but then goes ham tonight smh unbelievable and we're not a better team when Rondo takes nearly 30 shots Pierce nd Ray were in a horrible rhythm cuz Rondo was overly aggressive
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Tradetime on February 15, 2012, 10:09:14 PM
Losing to the Raptors and Pistons in one week.

Blow this up. It isn't worth making the playoffs and losing in the first round. Get us a lotto pick. This is embarrassing.

It's not like we're missing our top 2 PFs or anything.

Please. Detroit is horrendous

A 2-12 road record by Detroit wasn't exactly intimidating, or shouldn't have been. Now, we get to face the best pg in the league tomorrow, and a matchup with the Thunder soon to follow.

When we fall to a .500 team, or below, Ainge will be forced to make a crucial decision; to either go with the bunch we have, maybe make it in as an 8 seed, and get annihilated by Miami/Chicago in the first round, or make a trade to make this team better for the future.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: TenaciousD on February 15, 2012, 10:09:22 PM
Rondo can never do anything right.

Its a matter of balance. He needs to take whats given without going outside the offense.  Paul and Ray have to stay active if they are not getting touches. Right now,  it appears to be off kilter. 
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: green7 on February 15, 2012, 10:10:39 PM
I disagree, a lot.  We WANT Rondo to be aggressive.  RA / PP need to make an impact to the game in another way when someone is on fire offensively.  To much standing around by PP / RA in the 3rd and 4th quarter.  Find a way to make an impact and make a play.  Rondo playing well doesn't stop them from playing well.  No way.

Ben Gordon underachieves all year but then goes ham tonight smh unbelievable and we're not a better team when Rondo takes nearly 30 shots Pierce nd Ray were in a horrible rhythm cuz Rondo was overly aggressive

agreed rondo is not the blame pierce ray and doc are the blame (for not having rondo and wilcox out their earlier in the forth)and pierce and ray was horrible
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: green7 on February 15, 2012, 10:10:59 PM
[dang] pierce offensive anytime he plays a SF that plays good defense is awful recently ..froze up against prince froze up against artest froze up against deng played bad till the forth Q get it together
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Eja117 on February 15, 2012, 10:11:25 PM
Rondo can never do anything right. Which is why the Lakers amongst many other teams are currently foaming at the mouth for him  ::)

Trade him. Go ahead. I would love to see what this team looks like when he's gone.
Well he can't lead us to wins against the worst teams in the league at home when KG is out and Ray and PP have bad games. We know that anyway.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: blink on February 15, 2012, 10:13:11 PM
I disagree with this.  Doc was calling post up plays and other plays for Rondo because he was hot.  It is no different if Ray is going off.  Do you not give Ray the ball when he is super hot from behind the arch?  No way.  I think Rondo played well.  The better scorer he becomes the more it helps our offense.  Once other teams stop sagging off Rondo it will open up passing lanes and better shots for the rest of the team.  It will IMPROVE the team game.

Rondo can never do anything right.

Its a matter of balance. He needs to take whats given without going outside the offense.  Paul and Ray have to stay active if they are not getting touches. Right now,  it appears to be off kilter. 
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: j804 on February 15, 2012, 10:13:11 PM
Losing to the Raptors and Pistons in one week.

Blow this up. It isn't worth making the playoffs and losing in the first round. Get us a lotto pick. This is embarrassing.

It's not like we're missing our top 2 PFs or anything.

Lol...I don't care who we are missing. This team should never lose to the Pistons. Period.
get use to it, we are a 500 team, that means sometime we beat really good teams, and sometime we lose to terrible teams!

No. I'm not going to get used to it. If we are a .500 team then it is time to trade everything. Period.
And that's why you aren't a GM
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: European NBA fan on February 15, 2012, 10:15:05 PM
I can't believe anyone want to blame Rondo tonight. It was our team defense that was putrid. Monroe hits 11 of 14, Gordon hits 8 of 15 (including 4 of 6 3 pts).  

We can give the team to Pierce, Rondo or Bradley, but KG is the backbone, no matter what.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: JOMVP on February 15, 2012, 10:16:36 PM
I look foward to this loss being somehow blamed on Rondo...

Allow me.

In short, I believe his offense has ran the team right out of rythm tonight.

All Rondo did tonight was make shots that he normally doesn't make. If he was taking those jump shots and they weren't falling we'd be having the same discussion as we normally are. He dribbled the ball on the shot clock down to 5/6 seconds every trip and didn't get Ray and Pierce in rythm.

Defensive end. Hasn't denied Stuckey the ball all night.

People complain he doesn't take wide open jumpshots he's allowed all game...he takes them (and makes them), and it's his fault the team is out of rhythm.

People complain he doesn't attack the basket enough, he is aggressive all night and now that's taking away shots from Pierce and Ray.

Whatever man, I'm resigned to the fact that people will blame all of the teams problems on Rondo no matter how he plays.


Yeah, he's making them tonight. He's also 0/3 on his jumpers in the 4th quarter now.

Where was he in the Lakers game down the stretch? Running the ball on offense down to 8 seconds on the shot clock with Kobe playing 10 ft off him clanking jumpers.

Show me you are consistent, and I'll back off.

And you have nothing to say about the efforts of Paul and Ray tonight? Rondo is the reason we lost? Really?

Give me a break.

What was EVERYONE's complaint after the Lakers game? Rondo's man plays 10ft off him, playing centerfield and denying Pierce getting to the hoop and Ray coming clean off of picks.

How is that ANY different tonight besides the fact that he was hitting his jumpshot which he consistently has never done.




Who is everyone? It wasn't my complaint. My complaint was the lack of rebounding and the amount of second chance buckets the Lakers got.

Rondo's man plays 10 ft off him denying Pierce and Ray their shots. Cool. I get it. What else is he supposed to do other than make the shots they're leaving him open for???


Thats great. The sentence "Rondo making open jumpers" is not something you hear ever. If he can be consistent with it, fine, but history says he can't.

This team plays better on offense when the ball runs through Paul Pierce's hands which they didn't start trying to do untill 5 minutes to go in the 4th quarter. How does Pierce get his offense going that way?

Rondo was making his shots for the first 3 quarters and then its not there in the 4th and they collapse on offense because there was no ryhtym.

And I know you aren't everyone, but you just happened to jump in on the discussion, but more or less its what I read here post Lakers game.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Tgro on February 15, 2012, 10:17:02 PM
Rondo is not to blame tonight for the loss, he had a good game overall. But Rondo is not free from blame either.

It's great seeing him score points but it's like watching his free throw efforts going up and down. 

He's not going to score like this but so often.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: European NBA fan on February 15, 2012, 10:18:57 PM
I look foward to this loss being somehow blamed on Rondo...

Allow me.

In short, I believe his offense has ran the team right out of rythm tonight.

All Rondo did tonight was make shots that he normally doesn't make. If he was taking those jump shots and they weren't falling we'd be having the same discussion as we normally are. He dribbled the ball on the shot clock down to 5/6 seconds every trip and didn't get Ray and Pierce in rythm.

Defensive end. Hasn't denied Stuckey the ball all night.

People complain he doesn't take wide open jumpshots he's allowed all game...he takes them (and makes them), and it's his fault the team is out of rhythm.

People complain he doesn't attack the basket enough, he is aggressive all night and now that's taking away shots from Pierce and Ray.

Whatever man, I'm resigned to the fact that people will blame all of the teams problems on Rondo no matter how he plays.


Yeah, he's making them tonight. He's also 0/3 on his jumpers in the 4th quarter now.

Where was he in the Lakers game down the stretch? Running the ball on offense down to 8 seconds on the shot clock with Kobe playing 10 ft off him clanking jumpers.

Show me you are consistent, and I'll back off.

And you have nothing to say about the efforts of Paul and Ray tonight? Rondo is the reason we lost? Really?

Give me a break.

What was EVERYONE's complaint after the Lakers game? Rondo's man plays 10ft off him, playing centerfield and denying Pierce getting to the hoop and Ray coming clean off of picks.

How is that ANY different tonight besides the fact that he was hitting his jumpshot which he consistently has never done.




Who is everyone? It wasn't my complaint. My complaint was the lack of rebounding and the amount of second chance buckets the Lakers got.

Rondo's man plays 10 ft off him denying Pierce and Ray their shots. Cool. I get it. What else is he supposed to do other than make the shots they're leaving him open for???


Thats great. The sentence "Rondo making open jumpers" is not something you hear ever. If he can be consistent with it, fine, but history says he can't.

This team plays better on offense when the ball runs through Paul Pierce's hands which they didn't start trying to do untill 5 minutes to go in the 4th quarter. How does Pierce get his offense going that way?

Rondo was making his shots for the first 3 quarters and then its not there in the 4th and they collapse on offense because there was no ryhtym.

And I know you aren't everyone, but you just happened to jump in on the discussion, but more or less its what I read here post Lakers game.


Pierce had the ball plenty in his hands, when Rondo posted up in the first half. The only good thing he did with it was giving it to Rondo.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on February 15, 2012, 10:21:13 PM
Ben Gordon underachieves all year but then goes ham tonight smh unbelievable and we're not a better team when Rondo takes nearly 30 shots Pierce nd Ray were in a horrible rhythm cuz Rondo was overly aggressive
agree, Rondo needs to be aggressive but make sure ray and pierce get in the game

So basically Rondo needs to put up 30 points and 15 assists a night...
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: PosImpos on February 15, 2012, 10:21:47 PM
So, I didn't watch the game.  Can somebody tell me how we managed to lose to the Pistons?
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on February 15, 2012, 10:23:02 PM
I look foward to this loss being somehow blamed on Rondo...

Allow me.

In short, I believe his offense has ran the team right out of rythm tonight.

All Rondo did tonight was make shots that he normally doesn't make. If he was taking those jump shots and they weren't falling we'd be having the same discussion as we normally are. He dribbled the ball on the shot clock down to 5/6 seconds every trip and didn't get Ray and Pierce in rythm.

Defensive end. Hasn't denied Stuckey the ball all night.

People complain he doesn't take wide open jumpshots he's allowed all game...he takes them (and makes them), and it's his fault the team is out of rhythm.

People complain he doesn't attack the basket enough, he is aggressive all night and now that's taking away shots from Pierce and Ray.

Whatever man, I'm resigned to the fact that people will blame all of the teams problems on Rondo no matter how he plays.


Yeah, he's making them tonight. He's also 0/3 on his jumpers in the 4th quarter now.

Where was he in the Lakers game down the stretch? Running the ball on offense down to 8 seconds on the shot clock with Kobe playing 10 ft off him clanking jumpers.

Show me you are consistent, and I'll back off.

And you have nothing to say about the efforts of Paul and Ray tonight? Rondo is the reason we lost? Really?

Give me a break.

What was EVERYONE's complaint after the Lakers game? Rondo's man plays 10ft off him, playing centerfield and denying Pierce getting to the hoop and Ray coming clean off of picks.

How is that ANY different tonight besides the fact that he was hitting his jumpshot which he consistently has never done.




Who is everyone? It wasn't my complaint. My complaint was the lack of rebounding and the amount of second chance buckets the Lakers got.

Rondo's man plays 10 ft off him denying Pierce and Ray their shots. Cool. I get it. What else is he supposed to do other than make the shots they're leaving him open for???


Thats great. The sentence "Rondo making open jumpers" is not something you hear ever. If he can be consistent with it, fine, but history says he can't.

This team plays better on offense when the ball runs through Paul Pierce's hands which they didn't start trying to do untill 5 minutes to go in the 4th quarter. How does Pierce get his offense going that way?

Rondo was making his shots for the first 3 quarters and then its not there in the 4th and they collapse on offense because there was no ryhtym.

And I know you aren't everyone, but you just happened to jump in on the discussion, but more or less its what I read here post Lakers game.


Before I respond are you saying the offense runs smoother with PP as the point-forward?
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on February 15, 2012, 10:23:13 PM
I disagree, a lot.  We WANT Rondo to be aggressive.  RA / PP need to make an impact to the game in another way when someone is on fire offensively.  To much standing around by PP / RA in the 3rd and 4th quarter.  Find a way to make an impact and make a play.  Rondo playing well doesn't stop them from playing well.  No way.

Ben Gordon underachieves all year but then goes ham tonight smh unbelievable and we're not a better team when Rondo takes nearly 30 shots Pierce nd Ray were in a horrible rhythm cuz Rondo was overly aggressive
Im not blaming Rondo it's not a coincidence whenever Rondo scores a bunch of points the rest of the big 3 dont play good he doesnt co-exist well with the other guys they work better when he's a distributor I'm NEVER comfortable wit a point guard takin 30 shots
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: PosImpos on February 15, 2012, 10:23:32 PM
Nevermind, I see that we had another awful fourth quarter.  Ho hum.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: JOMVP on February 15, 2012, 10:27:15 PM
I look foward to this loss being somehow blamed on Rondo...

Allow me.

In short, I believe his offense has ran the team right out of rythm tonight.

All Rondo did tonight was make shots that he normally doesn't make. If he was taking those jump shots and they weren't falling we'd be having the same discussion as we normally are. He dribbled the ball on the shot clock down to 5/6 seconds every trip and didn't get Ray and Pierce in rythm.

Defensive end. Hasn't denied Stuckey the ball all night.

People complain he doesn't take wide open jumpshots he's allowed all game...he takes them (and makes them), and it's his fault the team is out of rhythm.

People complain he doesn't attack the basket enough, he is aggressive all night and now that's taking away shots from Pierce and Ray.

Whatever man, I'm resigned to the fact that people will blame all of the teams problems on Rondo no matter how he plays.


Yeah, he's making them tonight. He's also 0/3 on his jumpers in the 4th quarter now.

Where was he in the Lakers game down the stretch? Running the ball on offense down to 8 seconds on the shot clock with Kobe playing 10 ft off him clanking jumpers.

Show me you are consistent, and I'll back off.

And you have nothing to say about the efforts of Paul and Ray tonight? Rondo is the reason we lost? Really?

Give me a break.

What was EVERYONE's complaint after the Lakers game? Rondo's man plays 10ft off him, playing centerfield and denying Pierce getting to the hoop and Ray coming clean off of picks.

How is that ANY different tonight besides the fact that he was hitting his jumpshot which he consistently has never done.




Who is everyone? It wasn't my complaint. My complaint was the lack of rebounding and the amount of second chance buckets the Lakers got.

Rondo's man plays 10 ft off him denying Pierce and Ray their shots. Cool. I get it. What else is he supposed to do other than make the shots they're leaving him open for???


Thats great. The sentence "Rondo making open jumpers" is not something you hear ever. If he can be consistent with it, fine, but history says he can't.

This team plays better on offense when the ball runs through Paul Pierce's hands which they didn't start trying to do untill 5 minutes to go in the 4th quarter. How does Pierce get his offense going that way?

Rondo was making his shots for the first 3 quarters and then its not there in the 4th and they collapse on offense because there was no ryhtym.

And I know you aren't everyone, but you just happened to jump in on the discussion, but more or less its what I read here post Lakers game.


Before I respond are you saying the offense runs smoother with PP as the point-forward?

We won what, 8 games in a row that way? I believe that, but thats my opinion just like everything else.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on February 15, 2012, 10:27:43 PM
Ben Gordon underachieves all year but then goes ham tonight smh unbelievable and we're not a better team when Rondo takes nearly 30 shots Pierce nd Ray were in a horrible rhythm cuz Rondo was overly aggressive
agree, Rondo needs to be aggressive but make sure ray and pierce get in the game

So basically Rondo needs to put up 30 points and 15 assists a night...
Nah wat I'm sayin is Pierce nd Allen are rhythm players if you get them involved in the game and touches early they are more effective better on D and the offense flows smoother Ray was barely gettin looks nd Pierce got put in some end of the clock situations nd gettin doubled
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: ejk3489 on February 15, 2012, 10:28:18 PM
Nevermind, I see that we had another awful fourth quarter.  Ho hum.

Eh, that wasn't the only reason...we were horrible defensively pretty much all game, and Ray/Pierce both had off games tonight. We really should've been leading by at least 10 going into the fourth.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on February 15, 2012, 10:33:40 PM
Nah wat I'm sayin is Pierce nd Allen are rhythm players if you get them involved in the game and touches early they are more effective better on D and the offense flows smoother Ray was barely gettin looks nd Pierce got put in some end of the clock situations nd gettin doubled

On the other hand, if Rondo is able to get into the type of rhythm he was in tonight, with the obvious advantage over Knight, we need to exploit that. If Ray and Pierce play worse on defense because Rondo is scoring, we have a much bigger problem.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: snively on February 15, 2012, 10:35:23 PM
Nevermind, I see that we had another awful fourth quarter.  Ho hum.

It was more than that.  The wheels came off in the 4th,  when we couldn't score with a PP/Bradley/Dooling backcourt, our transition D fell apart and the Pistons bigs finally took advantage of our weakness on the defensive boards, but it was a defensive trainwreck all night. 

Ray was helpless against Stuckey or Gordon and our bigs were nowhere to be found when it came to rotating on pick and roll coverage and helping when the guards got beat. 

JO was pretty disappointing too.  Let Monroe out of the box early and was generally ignored by the Piston guards.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on February 15, 2012, 10:40:03 PM
Nah wat I'm sayin is Pierce nd Allen are rhythm players if you get them involved in the game and touches early they are more effective better on D and the offense flows smoother Ray was barely gettin looks nd Pierce got put in some end of the clock situations nd gettin doubled

On the other hand, if Rondo is able to get into the type of rhythm he was in tonight, with the obvious advantage over Knight, we need to exploit that. If Ray and Pierce play worse on defense because Rondo is scoring, we have a much bigger problem.
yea it wasnt an ineffecient 35 points so like I said i aint blaming him but something is wrong either a move needs to be made or they need to co-exist better
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: PosImpos on February 15, 2012, 10:45:06 PM
Nevermind, I see that we had another awful fourth quarter.  Ho hum.

It was more than that.  The wheels came off in the 4th,  when we couldn't score with a PP/Bradley/Dooling backcourt, our transition D fell apart and the Pistons bigs finally took advantage of our weakness on the defensive boards, but it was a defensive trainwreck all night. 

Ray was helpless against Stuckey or Gordon and our bigs were nowhere to be found when it came to rotating on pick and roll coverage and helping when the guards got beat. 

JO was pretty disappointing too.  Let Monroe out of the box early and was generally ignored by the Piston guards.

Yeah, my feeling is that Wilcox and JO are probably just not a very good combination, especially against teams with quicker frontcourts.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: greenpride32 on February 15, 2012, 10:45:15 PM
Im not blaming Rondo it's not a coincidence whenever Rondo scores a bunch of points the rest of the big 3 dont play good he doesnt co-exist well with the other guys they work better when he's a distributor I'm NEVER comfortable wit a point guard takin 30 shots

This was exactly the Pistons game plan, and well it worked.  Let the Rondo's J beat us, and not Pierce and Allen by doubling them.  To Rondo's credit he made the most of his opportunities tonight.  But if he's not involving our other players it's as useless as Carmelo hogging the ball (ie it fills the stat sheet but doesn't win you ball games).
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: gar on February 15, 2012, 10:55:20 PM
Doc out coached by Frank or did he just not have the right matchups tonight?

Frank conceded the PG matchup to Rondo; but clearly had an advantage at PF and SG.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on February 15, 2012, 10:57:06 PM
Im not blaming Rondo it's not a coincidence whenever Rondo scores a bunch of points the rest of the big 3 dont play good he doesnt co-exist well with the other guys they work better when he's a distributor I'm NEVER comfortable wit a point guard takin 30 shots

This was exactly the Pistons game plan, and well it worked.  Let the Rondo's J beat us, and not Pierce and Allen by doubling them.  To Rondo's credit he made the most of his opportunities tonight.  But if he's not involving our other players it's as useless as Carmelo hogging the ball (ie it fills the stat sheet but doesn't win you ball games).

He shot 55% and only had 2 TOs. He also had 6 assists and I recall a fair number of good passes he made to someone who flat out missed a jumper. Melo is shooting under 40% this year, while not passing it.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: blink on February 15, 2012, 11:52:11 PM
Ray Allen and Paul Peirce need to find a way to contribute if they aren't scoring.  They both used to be able to do that.  It isn't Rondo's fault that Ray is a liability on both sides of the ball if his shot isn't falling or that Peirce forces up bad shots as soon as he touches the ball.  They are smart enough players to not have to be force feed shots to get into the game.

Rondo being aggressive and scoring more should help open more good looks for Ray and Paul.  Eventually defenses will need to rotate to stop the Rondo penetration.  Once they do there will be a lot of open looks. 

But Ray and Paul need to play better, that is the bottom line.  They are both all star players and can contribute in other ways.  We need to stop blaming Rondo for their poor play.

I disagree, a lot.  We WANT Rondo to be aggressive.  RA / PP need to make an impact to the game in another way when someone is on fire offensively.  To much standing around by PP / RA in the 3rd and 4th quarter.  Find a way to make an impact and make a play.  Rondo playing well doesn't stop them from playing well.  No way.

Ben Gordon underachieves all year but then goes ham tonight smh unbelievable and we're not a better team when Rondo takes nearly 30 shots Pierce nd Ray were in a horrible rhythm cuz Rondo was overly aggressive
Im not blaming Rondo it's not a coincidence whenever Rondo scores a bunch of points the rest of the big 3 dont play good he doesnt co-exist well with the other guys they work better when he's a distributor I'm NEVER comfortable wit a point guard takin 30 shots
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on February 16, 2012, 12:21:56 AM
Ray Allen and Paul Peirce need to find a way to contribute if they aren't scoring.  They both used to be able to do that.  It isn't Rondo's fault that Ray is a liability on both sides of the ball if his shot isn't falling or that Peirce forces up bad shots as soon as he touches the ball.  They are smart enough players to not have to be force feed shots to get into the game.

Rondo being aggressive and scoring more should help open more good looks for Ray and Paul.  Eventually defenses will need to rotate to stop the Rondo penetration.  Once they do there will be a lot of open looks. 

But Ray and Paul need to play better, that is the bottom line.  They are both all star players and can contribute in other ways.  We need to stop blaming Rondo for their poor play.

I disagree, a lot.  We WANT Rondo to be aggressive.  RA / PP need to make an impact to the game in another way when someone is on fire offensively.  To much standing around by PP / RA in the 3rd and 4th quarter.  Find a way to make an impact and make a play.  Rondo playing well doesn't stop them from playing well.  No way.

Ben Gordon underachieves all year but then goes ham tonight smh unbelievable and we're not a better team when Rondo takes nearly 30 shots Pierce nd Ray were in a horrible rhythm cuz Rondo was overly aggressive
Im not blaming Rondo it's not a coincidence whenever Rondo scores a bunch of points the rest of the big 3 dont play good he doesnt co-exist well with the other guys they work better when he's a distributor I'm NEVER comfortable wit a point guard takin 30 shots
Yea you've got a point i simmered down from earlier nd im ready for tomorrows game against the bulls
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Kiorrik on February 16, 2012, 12:38:51 AM
By all accounts: our D failed today.

Not our O.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: Fafnir on February 16, 2012, 08:40:17 AM
By all accounts: our D failed today.

Not our O.
Sorta, our offense did fail to get three point shots. That is a big problem, we can't have only 6 three point shots and only one made (by Rondo!).

Our defense was the bigger issue though, we put them on the line an awful lot and let them have an eFG% of .500.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: BballTim on February 16, 2012, 08:46:31 AM

This team plays better on offense when the ball runs through Paul Pierce's hands


  This isn't true at all.
Title: Re: Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15
Post by: nickagneta on February 16, 2012, 08:57:11 AM

This team plays better on offense when the ball runs through Paul Pierce's hands


  This isn't true at all.

I agree BBall but this is the game thread and there is a vocal contingent in here that is dedicated to spreading "reality" and "truths" about this team and no amount of talking to them or showing proof that they could be wrong will dismay them from their appointed task of spreading these "realities" and "truths".

You can usually tell who they are. They disappear in games the Celtics are winning throughout and show up only in games in which the Celtics appear to have a chance to lose or begin to lose later in the game. They are also usually nonexistent early in games if the Celtics have a good lead.