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http://www.bcheights.com/2.5479/another-look-at-bc-blackout-1.2761162#.TyolucXLzjs
You should read this.
On the evening of Mar. 28, Boston College survivors of rape will be speaking out about their experiences at Take Back the Night as part of C.A.R.E. (Concerned About Rape Education) week. At the same time, hundreds of BC students will be partying and pouring money into a blog that says some women "kind of deserve to be raped."
At BC, we learn the importance of advocating for social justice, and we learn that money talks—we pay extra for fair trade coffee and splurge on Haley House cookies in the dining halls. People with meal plans are regularly encouraged to donate to service trips or food drives. The bookstore hikes its prices even higher for BC-branded merchandise that is not made by children for pennies per hour.
If we are to be men and women for others—or men and women with socially conscious wallets, at least—then BC students should be ashamed of themselves for shelling out up to $200 for tickets to the BC Barstool Blackout event at the House of Blues, run by the popular and misogynistic blog Barstool Sports. Close to 1,600 people have responded affirmatively to the event on Facebook.
Barstool Sports consistently objectifies and degrades women with regular features like "Guess That Ass" and "Smokeshow of the Day," in which readers are supposed to identify women by zoomed-in pictures of their derrieres and ogle attractive coeds in push-up bras.
The event overlap between Take Back the Night and the BC Barstool Blackout is especially disturbing in the context of some of the callous remarks made by Barstool bloggers:
"[E]ven though I never condone rape, if you're a size 6 and you're wearing skinny jeans you kind of deserve to be raped right? I mean skinny jeans don't look good on size 0 and 2 chicks, nevermind size 6s. So it's almost like this guy had no choice but to teach her a lesson," "El Presidente," the head editor of the blog, wrote.
In December, "El Presidente" wrote, "Just to make friends with the feminists, I'd like to reiterate that we don't condone rape of any kind at our Blackout Parties in mid January. However if a chick passes out, that's a grey area."
Violent rhetoric such as this normalizes gender violence and creates a culture of rape, the ramifications of which women and men have to deal with every day. While Barstool readers may argue that these comments are made in the name of humor or satire, reinforcing a rape culture contributes to the victimization of men and women. We have survivors of rape and sexual assault on our campus. At parties, in Mods, off campus, and in our residence halls, rape and sexual assault constitute a painful reality for many of us at BC.
Here at BC, we are supposed to be men and women for others. Although the First Amendment grants creeps like "El Presidente" the right to say that women deserve to be raped as a form of fashion advice, BC students should know better than to finance it.
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this guy is a joke, he also made sexually suggestive remakrs about a toddlers Genitalia earlier this year. Personally I never really go to the site for these reasons
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this guy is a joke, he also made sexually suggestive remakrs about a toddlers Genitalia earlier this year. Personally I never really go to the site for these reasons
Yeah. I was aware before this that the site had a lot of shock/jock humor on it, but I didn't realize it was this extreme.
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Seems like a Current Events thread, so everybody understand that this is on a bit of a short leash.
That said, freedom of speech works both ways. If you want to say scandalous and repugnant things unapologetically and make money off of it, there is a good chance that someone will label you a villain using their own free speech and do something about it.
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Seems like a Current Events thread, so everybody understand that this is on a bit of a short leash.
That said, freedom of speech works both ways. If you want to say scandalous and repugnant things unapologetically and make money off of it, there is a good chance that someone will label you a villain using their own free speech and do something about it.
I understand this is close to a current events issue, but I felt it was important to raise awareness about this, since I suspect that at least a few of the people who post here also read Barstool Sports, seeing as it's fairly popular among Boston sports fans.
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Barstool is a humorous site poking fun at all things sports. Nothing on it is meant to be or should be taken seriously. Sure joking about rape probably isn't the best thing to do, but it is clearly a joke and not meant to encourage the conduct.
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Really couldnt care less
Just a hunch but pretty sure talking about it more just fuels their fire
I find the site pretty entertaining and actually have a friend that writes on the ny one
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Barstool is a humorous site poking fun at all things sports. Nothing on it is meant to be or should be taken seriously. Sure joking about rape probably isn't the best thing to do, but it is clearly a joke and not meant to encourage the conduct.
Tongue in cheek is one thing, but writing that "if you're a size 6 and you're wearing skinny jeans you kind of deserve to be raped" is offensive and completely unacceptable in any context.
Even if you can claim that these things are "fratire," condoning that sort of humor and supporting the people / entities that use it normalizes rape, sexual assault, and degradation of women. In other words, if you don't speak out when people make those kinds of jokes, writing them off as mere "shock humor," you deny the severity of the subject matter. It minimizes the reality that rape and sexual assault actual do happen to normal people -- all of the time -- and it is not a laughing matter to them or to the people who love them.
Some things are just not okay to joke about. We should have the same attitude in our culture about rape humor that we have about people who use racial slurs to get a laugh.
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Barstool is a humorous site poking fun at all things sports. Nothing on it is meant to be or should be taken seriously. Sure joking about rape probably isn't the best thing to do, but it is clearly a joke and not meant to encourage the conduct.
Satire can be a tricky grey area. Rape jokes, however, are usually never funny. I still find the Kobe Bryant jokes to be kind of repugnant most times. Nearly always with Ben Rothlisberger (those usually seem to be a bit more vulgar).
Jokes like the ones listed above go beyond my own threshold, mostly because they're just vulgar and not at all funny. There's no meat there beyond 'ha, ha, rape'. No style, no irony, just dumbed down shock value humor.
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Really couldnt care less
Just a hunch but pretty sure talking about it more just fuels their fire
I find the site pretty entertaining and actually have a friend that writes on the ny one
The point of taking a stand against this sort of thing is to remind people that rape and sexual assault are real. It's easy for people to joke about things until they are confronted by normal people -- people they see every day -- for whom rape and sexual assault are a reality they must carry with them throughout the rest of their lives.
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I've said it before, but I've been bummed by the direction he's taken the site in. I think he's legitimately a pretty talented guy and can be pretty genuinely funny. But throughout the years it's kind of played more and more to the lowest common denominator.
It's making him a lot of money I'm sure, and I can't say put in the same position I wouldn't do the same thing, but as an outsider it's disappointing.
The rape thing seems like a swing and a miss of a joke in an attempt for him to play up his own schtick. Personally, not offended by it.
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The big issue at play is that the blog is essentially "locker room talk" that obviously goes beyond those confines. What's all in jest to some may not appear that way to others due to the medium used to deliver the message...It's tough to tell what's a joke and what's serious when it's in type.
When you put that stuff on the internet, you're obviously going to get backlash, but i think barstool's arguement here is that it isn't saying anything that comediens like Daniel Tosh/Louis C.K./ect haven't said before. I'm not on board with 100% of the stuff they run with on that site, but i'm still ok with it, overall.
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The big issue at play is that the blog is essentially "locker room talk" that obviously goes beyond the those confines. What's all in jest to some may not appear that way to others due to the medium used to deliver the message...It's tough to tell what's a joke and what's serious when it's in type.
When you put that stuff on the internet, you're obviously going to get backlash, but i think barstool's arguement here is that it isn't saying anything that comediens like Daniel Tosh/Louis C.K./ect haven't said before.
I think that's true, but I also think it should be noted that Tosh, and especially Louis C.k. really, really funny. And, when they air something out they haven't rehearsed extensively (for Tosh, its on his show when he goes off the cuff, for LCK, apparently its when he gets drunk and gets told what twitter is), it usually goes off like a fart in church when they try to publicly do the shock stuff.
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Meh, fake life stuff. People blowing his comments out of proportion and making this a bigger deal than it is. Then he calls them out for it, and they add fuel to the fire, and he just mocks them p---ing them off even more. Why attempt to "fight the power" of this guy who clearly made a joke and doesn't condone rape? It's bizarro-world stuff.
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Meh, fake life stuff. People blowing his comments out of proportion and making this a bigger deal than it is. Then he calls them out for it, and they add fuel to the fire, and he just mocks them p---ing them off even more. Why attempt to "fight the power" of this guy who clearly made a joke and doesn't condone rape? It's bizarro-world stuff.
It's tough to take your argument too seriously when you're ripping off his own vernacular.
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The big issue at play is that the blog is essentially "locker room talk" that obviously goes beyond those confines. What's all in jest to some may not appear that way to others due to the medium used to deliver the message...It's tough to tell what's a joke and what's serious when it's in type.
When you put that stuff on the internet, you're obviously going to get backlash, but i think barstool's arguement here is that it isn't saying anything that comediens like Daniel Tosh/Louis C.K./ect haven't said before. I'm not on board with 100% of the stuff they run with on that site, but i'm still ok with it, overall.
I think the reason there's a backlash about it is because of the context of the Barstool Blackout events. It's one thing for comedians like Daniel Tosh to make shock-jokes to get laughs on TV. It's entirely another for a popular sports commentary website to make those jokes and then put on large "blackout" -- referring to getting so drunk that you can't remember what you do, or what happens to you -- parties in conjunction with institutions of higher learning like Boston College and Northeastern.
The intention of the "Barstool Blackout" parties seems to be that irresponsible, unhealthy drinking will take place en mass, creating precisely the sorts of situations in which rape / sexual assault most often happen. Given the comments of "El Prez", the head of Barstool, that adds an overall disgusting message to the whole thing which no university that claims to hold high Catholic values and the ideal of "men and women for others" should support.
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The big issue at play is that the blog is essentially "locker room talk" that obviously goes beyond those confines. What's all in jest to some may not appear that way to others due to the medium used to deliver the message...It's tough to tell what's a joke and what's serious when it's in type.
When you put that stuff on the internet, you're obviously going to get backlash, but i think barstool's arguement here is that it isn't saying anything that comediens like Daniel Tosh/Louis C.K./ect haven't said before. I'm not on board with 100% of the stuff they run with on that site, but i'm still ok with it, overall.
I think the reason there's a backlash about it is because of the context of the Barstool Blackout events. It's one thing for comedians like Daniel Tosh to make shock-jokes to get laughs on TV. It's entirely another for a popular sports commentary website to make those jokes and then put on large "blackout" -- referring to getting so drunk that you can't remember what you do, or what happens to you -- parties in conjunction with institutions of higher learning like Boston College and Northeastern.
The intention of the "Barstool Blackout" parties seems to be that irresponsible, unhealthy drinking will take place en mass, creating precisely the sorts of situations in which rape / sexual assault most often happen. Given the comments of "El Prez", the head of Barstool, that adds an overall disgusting message to the whole thing which no university that claims to hold high Catholic values and the ideal of "men and women for others" should support.
Supply and demand, friend. The link you posted yourself points out that tickets were being sold for as much as $200. People want an event like this, he's simply providing it.
EDIT: Also, isn't the name a bit of a play on words? Isn't it a glow-party?
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Meh, fake life stuff. People blowing his comments out of proportion and making this a bigger deal than it is. Then he calls them out for it, and they add fuel to the fire, and he just mocks them p---ing them off even more. Why attempt to "fight the power" of this guy who clearly made a joke and doesn't condone rape? It's bizarro-world stuff.
It's tough to take your argument too seriously when you're ripping off his own vernacular.
Well, I think he makes a good point in there as well (I don't know what 'fake life stuff' means).
People protesting it will make more people notice it, which will add some fans who like that stuff, but will for sure bump up the publicity for whatever the event is, and on top of that it will spike his unique visitors number, increasing ad revenue, making him more money.
He's not doing anything illegal, he's just doing something stupid and tasteless, and making a big deal about it does kind of indirectly further his agenda.
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Meh, fake life stuff. People blowing his comments out of proportion and making this a bigger deal than it is. Then he calls them out for it, and they add fuel to the fire, and he just mocks them p---ing them off even more. Why attempt to "fight the power" of this guy who clearly made a joke and doesn't condone rape? It's bizarro-world stuff.
It's tough to take your argument too seriously when you're ripping off his own vernacular.
Yeah, because no one else has ever used those terms before.
In fact, I'm not even a big fan of the site.
What I am a fan of is people realizing how ridiculous they are about certain issues. People are up in arms because he cracked a joke about girls wearing tight fitting clothes and prancing around looking for attention and then getting harassed with attention. He's not saying go out and rape chicks. He's not condoning guys that rape chicks.
See, there's the real world which we live in and obviously society, and the people that frequent the site (including girls who regularly add their comments and submit their pictures) don't give two craps about, and then there's fake-life-living in where people that care about things other (normal) people don't, and make a huge stink about and try to make changes that people living in the real world find humorous.
This is one of those cases.
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The big issue at play is that the blog is essentially "locker room talk" that obviously goes beyond those confines. What's all in jest to some may not appear that way to others due to the medium used to deliver the message...It's tough to tell what's a joke and what's serious when it's in type.
When you put that stuff on the internet, you're obviously going to get backlash, but i think barstool's arguement here is that it isn't saying anything that comediens like Daniel Tosh/Louis C.K./ect haven't said before. I'm not on board with 100% of the stuff they run with on that site, but i'm still ok with it, overall.
I think the reason there's a backlash about it is because of the context of the Barstool Blackout events. It's one thing for comedians like Daniel Tosh to make shock-jokes to get laughs on TV. It's entirely another for a popular sports commentary website to make those jokes and then put on large "blackout" -- referring to getting so drunk that you can't remember what you do, or what happens to you -- parties in conjunction with institutions of higher learning like Boston College and Northeastern.
The intention of the "Barstool Blackout" parties seems to be that irresponsible, unhealthy drinking will take place en mass, creating precisely the sorts of situations in which rape / sexual assault most often happen. Given the comments of "El Prez", the head of Barstool, that adds an overall disgusting message to the whole thing which no university that claims to hold high Catholic values and the ideal of "men and women for others" should support.
The schools could do what my school did to try and prevent binge drinking at out big football game, give students ton's of work due the next day.
Infact they reported it on barstool
http://boston.barstoolsports.com/around-barstool/does-this-look-like-the-face-of-an-ithica-faculty-member-who-sent-a-mass-email-to-teachers-telling-them-to-give-lots-of-homework-and-tests-during-cortaca-jug-weekend-so-kids-would-have-to-study-instea/
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The best part about this whole thing is that everyone feature on the site is an ADULT (unless your Brady's little kid). If these girls featured on the site, and the people that WILLINGLY purchase tickets to a party, why the heck do you people care what they do? Is it really affecting your day-to-day lives?
I mean they're adults. I'd hate for someone to tell you what you should or shouldn't do. It really is bizarro-world.
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The best part about this whole thing is that everyone feature on the site is an ADULT (unless your Brady's little kid). If these girls featured on the site, and the people that WILLINGLY purchase tickets to a party, why the heck do you people care what they do? Is it really affecting your day-to-day lives?
I mean they're adults. I'd hate for someone to tell you what you should or shouldn't do. It really is bizarro-world.
I agree with this completely.
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The best part about this whole thing is that everyone feature on the site is an ADULT (unless your Brady's little kid). If these girls featured on the site, and the people that WILLINGLY purchase tickets to a party, why the heck do you people care what they do? Is it really affecting your day-to-day lives?
I mean they're adults. I'd hate for someone to tell you what you should or shouldn't do. It really is bizarro-world.
It's important to care about the message sent by supporting an entity like Barstool Sports. It's about the kind of culture we want to live in, the kind of values we want to recognize and reward. The point of taking a stand on this is to raise awareness about the fact that rape is a big deal. It's not a laughing matter, and we should make every effort to change cultural values that minimize it, and condemn any organization that profits by making light of it.
Meh, fake life stuff. People blowing his comments out of proportion and making this a bigger deal than it is. Then he calls them out for it, and they add fuel to the fire, and he just mocks them p---ing them off even more. Why attempt to "fight the power" of this guy who clearly made a joke and doesn't condone rape? It's bizarro-world stuff.
It's tough to take your argument too seriously when you're ripping off his own vernacular.
Yeah, because no one else has ever used those terms before.
In fact, I'm not even a big fan of the site.
What I am a fan of is people realizing how ridiculous they are about certain issues. People are up in arms because he cracked a joke about girls wearing tight fitting clothes and prancing around looking for attention and then getting harassed with attention. He's not saying go out and rape chicks. He's not condoning guys that rape chicks.
See, there's the real world which we live in and obviously society, and the people that frequent the site (including girls who regularly add their comments and submit their pictures) don't give two craps about, and then there's fake-life-living in where people that care about things other (normal) people don't, and make a huge stink about and try to make changes that people living in the real world find humorous.
Saying that somebody "deserves to be raped" because of what they are wearing, joke or not, is unacceptable. That is not "harassing them with attention." What you're doing is victim blaming.
You know what happens in the real world? People -- normal people, who dress and act like everybody else -- get raped and sexually assaulted. They get violated and treated like their person dignity doesn't matter. That's what happens in the real world.
The only thing "fake life" about this whole thing is the notion that in any just world rape is a laughing matter. The reality is that in the "real world," 1 in 4 women is a victim of sexual assault or rape in her lifetime. That's 1 in 4 out of all women who care a great deal about this issue.
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I suppose it's your thoughts on humor/comedy -
Like I said, I think it's a swing and a miss at a joke - Shock humor for sure. I understand the counter argument but I just think it is what it is. A bad attempt at humor that shouldn't be taken as anything further than that.
I disagree with what IP was saying earlier about it being that much different from Louis CK and Daniel Tosh (though I'm not that familiar with him). He's cultivated a character that he's fairly consistent with, and this attempt at a joke is just an annexation of that.
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Barstool rules... everyone who hates on Dave are just mad because he's more successful than you
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Barstool rules... everyone who hates on Dave are just mad because he's more successful than you
Check AND Mate!
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I suppose it's your thoughts on humor/comedy -
Like I said, I think it's a swing and a miss at a joke - Shock humor for sure. I understand the counter argument but I just think it is what it is. A bad attempt at humor that shouldn't be taken as anything further than that.
I disagree with what IP was saying earlier about it being that much different from Louis CK and Daniel Tosh (though I'm not that familiar with him). He's cultivated a character that he's fairly consistent with, and this attempt at a joke is just an annexation of that.
Again, I think the key difference here is that Daniel Tosh isn't putting on "blackout" parties while joking about the kinds of awful things that often happen at such parties, and major universities are not helping him make a profit by getting their students to attend.
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Barstool rules... everyone who hates on Dave are just mad because he's more successful than you
Yes. That's definitely it. All of those sexual assault victims and feminists who are outraged by Barstool are just jealous of El Prez's success.
Very insightful.
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I suppose it's your thoughts on humor/comedy -
Like I said, I think it's a swing and a miss at a joke - Shock humor for sure. I understand the counter argument but I just think it is what it is. A bad attempt at humor that shouldn't be taken as anything further than that.
I disagree with what IP was saying earlier about it being that much different from Louis CK and Daniel Tosh (though I'm not that familiar with him). He's cultivated a character that he's fairly consistent with, and this attempt at a joke is just an annexation of that.
Again, I think the key difference here is that Daniel Tosh isn't putting on "blackout" parties while joking about the kinds of awful things that often happen at such parties, and major universities are not helping him make a profit by getting their students to attend.
At the same time, he's shown an awful lot of videos of these previous 'black out' parties. There's got to be some kind of understanding of what people are getting themselves into. It's also being held in Boston with prevalent security and police. Like it or not, similar events are being held at said colleges in a lot less safe environments.
It also helps that there's a lot of pressure on the guy to avoid an incident - in light of the comments he makes, if something were to happen the backlash would almost surely end his 'empire.'
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The best part about this whole thing is that everyone feature on the site is an ADULT (unless your Brady's little kid). If these girls featured on the site, and the people that WILLINGLY purchase tickets to a party, why the heck do you people care what they do? Is it really affecting your day-to-day lives?
I mean they're adults. I'd hate for someone to tell you what you should or shouldn't do. It really is bizarro-world.
It's important to care about the message sent by supporting an entity like Barstool Sports. It's about the kind of culture we want to live in, the kind of values we want to recognize and reward. The point of taking a stand on this is to raise awareness about the fact that rape is a big deal. It's not a laughing matter, and we should make every effort to change cultural values that minimize it, and condemn any organization that profits by making light of it.
Meh, fake life stuff. People blowing his comments out of proportion and making this a bigger deal than it is. Then he calls them out for it, and they add fuel to the fire, and he just mocks them p---ing them off even more. Why attempt to "fight the power" of this guy who clearly made a joke and doesn't condone rape? It's bizarro-world stuff.
It's tough to take your argument too seriously when you're ripping off his own vernacular.
Yeah, because no one else has ever used those terms before.
In fact, I'm not even a big fan of the site.
What I am a fan of is people realizing how ridiculous they are about certain issues. People are up in arms because he cracked a joke about girls wearing tight fitting clothes and prancing around looking for attention and then getting harassed with attention. He's not saying go out and rape chicks. He's not condoning guys that rape chicks.
See, there's the real world which we live in and obviously society, and the people that frequent the site (including girls who regularly add their comments and submit their pictures) don't give two craps about, and then there's fake-life-living in where people that care about things other (normal) people don't, and make a huge stink about and try to make changes that people living in the real world find humorous.
Saying that somebody "deserves to be raped" because of what they are wearing, joke or not, is unacceptable. That is not "harassing them with attention." What you're doing is victim blaming.
You know what happens in the real world? People -- normal people, who dress and act like everybody else -- get raped and sexually assaulted. They get violated and treated like their person dignity doesn't matter. That's what happens in the real world.
The only thing "fake life" about this whole thing is the notion that in any just world rape is a laughing matter. The reality is that in the "real world," 1 in 4 women is a victim of sexual assault or rape in her lifetime. That's 1 in 4 out of all women who care a great deal about this issue.
Please don't tell me what I am or am not promoting. I am not victim blaming. I don't think that is acceptable in anyway shape or form. It's despicable and I highly admire those that persevere. But I also support free speech and understand the CONTEXT of the joke (pro-tip: not promoting raping of chicks). They are not making light of rape victims, or anything of the such. They simply made a (ill) joke that people either laughed at or brushed off, giving the context of what it was in.
That's the difference that you're missing.
In addition, why are you protesting this so hard when it's adults who willingly purchase tickets and browse Barstool or send in columns or pictures of themselves half naked?
This is like if someone try to boycott CB for something Jeff said regarding the Knick's organization and how sucky they are. Knick fans would be up in arms and we all would just sit there and laugh. That's how I feel right now.
FAKE LIFE BIZARRO-WORLD
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Barstool rules... everyone who hates on Dave are just mad because he's more successful than you
Yes. That's definitely it. All of those sexual assault victims and feminists who are outraged by Barstool are just jealous of El Prez's success.
Very insightful.
Bahahahah tell that to the THOUSANDS of girls that frequent the site and go to their parties.
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Barstool rules... everyone who hates on Dave are just mad because he's more successful than you
Yes. That's definitely it. All of those sexual assault victims and feminists who are outraged by Barstool are just jealous of El Prez's success.
Very insightful.
Bahahahah tell that to the THOUSANDS of girls that frequent the site and go to their parties.
So because some women aren't outraged means that others aren't?
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Nah, there is a reason why we shut down the Current Events forum, and this is playing up to that directly.
This thread is locked, for those who are curious or want to know more about the original protest, here's the link again.
http://www.bcheights.com/2.5479/another-look-at-bc-blackout-1.2761162#.TyolucXLzjs