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Title: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 22, 2012, 06:25:02 PM
The best part of the win today is we can totally put this old question to bed.  5 Super Bowl appearances to 2. I've heard around here "Well Super Bowls are really just a tie breaker"

Well that's one heck of a tie breaker.  5-2.

And of course I meant Peyton Manning, but sometime soon Eli could easily stake his claim to being the better Manning
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: PosImpos on January 22, 2012, 06:31:30 PM
Let's just say there's no question what the best organization in football is.  Top to bottom, the Patriots have a great organization.  No other team has that combination of QB, character on the roster, coaching, management, etc.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 22, 2012, 06:31:42 PM
If you don't got a ring then it don't mean a thiiiinnnngggg......do wop do wop do wop do wop dooo woooppp
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 22, 2012, 06:34:36 PM
Let's just say there's no question what the best organization in football is.  Top to bottom, the Patriots have a great organization.  No other team has that combination of QB, character on the roster, coaching, management, etc.
no. Let's not just say that. Let's say that aaaaaannnnddd say Brady is better than the  Mannings combined with their 2 whole Super Bowl rings between Peyton, Archie, and Eli...heck...throw in Cooper and the mom too
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: PosImpos on January 22, 2012, 06:39:10 PM
I'm not sure now is a great time to be extolling the greatness of Tom Brady, considering he played about as bad as he could have with his team still winning the game.

He got outplayed quite handily by Joe Flacco, for Pete's sake.

I'm confident that there's no coach-QB combo in the league right now, and perhaps not anywhere else in the history of the NFL, that is better than Bellichick-Brady.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 22, 2012, 06:43:54 PM
I'm not sure now is a great time to be extolling the greatness of Tom Brady, considering he played about as bad as he could have with his team still winning the game.

He got outplayed quite handily by Joe Flacco, for Pete's sake.

I'm confident that there's no coach-QB combo in the league right now, and perhaps not anywhere else in the history of the NFL, that is better than Bellichick-Brady.
Game losing int in the super bowl didn't shut up Manning supporters...least Brady admitted he played horrid
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 22, 2012, 07:00:39 PM
I'm not sure now is a great time to be extolling the greatness of Tom Brady, considering he played about as bad as he could have with his team still winning the game.

He got outplayed quite handily by Joe Flacco, for Pete's sake.

I'm confident that there's no coach-QB combo in the league right now, and perhaps not anywhere else in the history of the NFL, that is better than Bellichick-Brady.

I agree.  Now is an odd time for a coronation.  Pats won despite him today.   I am just amazed that with this defense and with Brady playing poorly, we beat a very good team with their QB playing at the top of his game. 

Incidentally, We have now defeated a team with a winning record.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Roy H. on January 22, 2012, 07:04:45 PM
Incidentally, We have now defeated a team with a winning record.

... although they sort of beat themselves in the last 30 seconds there.  Between Lee Evans and Billy Cundiff, the Ravens have a couple of goats.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 22, 2012, 07:08:14 PM
Plus Manning never beat Tebow in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: PosImpos on January 22, 2012, 07:09:07 PM
Incidentally, We have now defeated a team with a winning record.

... although they sort of beat themselves in the last 30 seconds there.  Between Lee Evans and Billy Cundiff, the Ravens have a couple of goats.

Yeah, Patriots definitely backed their way into the Superbowl.


Though with the Lee Evans thing, you have to give credit to Sterling Moore for two superb defensive plays to force the field goal.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 22, 2012, 07:09:12 PM
I'm not sure now is a great time to be extolling the greatness of Tom Brady, considering he played about as bad as he could have with his team still winning the game.

He got outplayed quite handily by Joe Flacco, for Pete's sake.

I'm confident that there's no coach-QB combo in the league right now, and perhaps not anywhere else in the history of the NFL, that is better than Bellichick-Brady.

I agree.  Now is an odd time for a coronation.  Pats won despite him today.   I am just amazed that with this defense and with Brady playing poorly, we beat a very good team with their QB playing at the top of his game. 

Incidentally, We have now defeated a team with a winning record.
Ok ok. Try to pretend this happened years ago and one of the good wins happened today. 5-2. Debate over
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 22, 2012, 07:09:59 PM
Incidentally, We have now defeated a team with a winning record.

... although they sort of beat themselves in the last 30 seconds there.  Between Lee Evans and Billy Cundiff, the Ravens have a couple of goats.

Yeah, Patriots definitely backed their way into the Superbowl.
Yeah. With Vince Wilfork's huge backside pointed straight at the Ravens.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Redz on January 22, 2012, 07:11:17 PM
Where's the Tebow option?   ::)
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 22, 2012, 07:12:00 PM
Where's the Tebow option?   ::)
We don't want to embarrass Peyton Manning
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 22, 2012, 07:15:43 PM
I guarantee Peyton calls Tom tonight and Tom has no time for him.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 22, 2012, 07:30:57 PM
Hate to say this, but Eli is looking awfully good.  A win for him today and in 2 weeks and a new debate begins.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: galvinx10 on January 22, 2012, 07:32:51 PM
I think Peyton is better. Peyton just has to do so much more than Tom does (until the past few years). Brady was a system quarterback when he was winning Super Bowls and didn't become a huge numbers guy until Welker and Moss got here. Peyton has been doing this his whole career
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 22, 2012, 07:34:49 PM
I think Peyton is better. Peyton just has to do so much more than Tom does (until the past few years). Brady was a system quarterback when he was winning Super Bowls and didn't become a huge numbers guy until Welker and Moss got here. Peyton has been doing this his whole career
So take away Harrison, Wayne, Edgerin James, Dallas Clark, etc and give him Troy Brown, David Patten, no rb, and Deion Branch.....

THEN....

give Harrison, Wayne, Edge, Clark, etc to Tom

and then what happens?

Like 9 Super Bowls for Tom and negative one for Peyton?
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: galvinx10 on January 22, 2012, 07:36:41 PM
I think Peyton is better. Peyton just has to do so much more than Tom does (until the past few years). Brady was a system quarterback when he was winning Super Bowls and didn't become a huge numbers guy until Welker and Moss got here. Peyton has been doing this his whole career
So take away Harrison, Wayne, Edgerin James, Dallas Clark, etc and give him Troy Brown, David Patten, no rb, and Deion Branch.....

THEN....

give Harrison, Wayne, Edge, Clark, etc to Tom

and then what happens?

Like 9 Super Bowls for Tom and negative one for Peyton?

Give Tom Indy's defense and what would he do?
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: KCattheStripe on January 22, 2012, 07:38:21 PM
I think Peyton is better. Peyton just has to do so much more than Tom does (until the past few years). Brady was a system quarterback when he was winning Super Bowls and didn't become a huge numbers guy until Welker and Moss got here. Peyton has been doing this his whole career
So take away Harrison, Wayne, Edgerin James, Dallas Clark, etc and give him Troy Brown, David Patten, no rb, and Deion Branch.....

THEN....

give Harrison, Wayne, Edge, Clark, etc to Tom

and then what happens?

Like 9 Super Bowls for Tom and negative one for Peyton?

Give Tom Indy's defense and what would he do?

Pretty much what they just did.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: galvinx10 on January 22, 2012, 07:40:18 PM
I think Peyton is better. Peyton just has to do so much more than Tom does (until the past few years). Brady was a system quarterback when he was winning Super Bowls and didn't become a huge numbers guy until Welker and Moss got here. Peyton has been doing this his whole career
So take away Harrison, Wayne, Edgerin James, Dallas Clark, etc and give him Troy Brown, David Patten, no rb, and Deion Branch.....

THEN....

give Harrison, Wayne, Edge, Clark, etc to Tom

and then what happens?

Like 9 Super Bowls for Tom and negative one for Peyton?

Give Tom Indy's defense and what would he do?

Pretty much what they just did.

Since Tom lost his elite defense he has lost a Super Bowl and is about to appear in another. Hmm that sure sounds a lot like how Peyton Manning has done
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: KCattheStripe on January 22, 2012, 07:54:50 PM
I think Peyton is better. Peyton just has to do so much more than Tom does (until the past few years). Brady was a system quarterback when he was winning Super Bowls and didn't become a huge numbers guy until Welker and Moss got here. Peyton has been doing this his whole career
So take away Harrison, Wayne, Edgerin James, Dallas Clark, etc and give him Troy Brown, David Patten, no rb, and Deion Branch.....

THEN....

give Harrison, Wayne, Edge, Clark, etc to Tom

and then what happens?

Like 9 Super Bowls for Tom and negative one for Peyton?

Give Tom Indy's defense and what would he do?

Pretty much what they just did.

Since Tom lost his elite defense he has lost a Super Bowl and is about to appear in another. Hmm that sure sounds a lot like how Peyton Manning has done

So you're saying they're equal?
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: galvinx10 on January 22, 2012, 07:57:53 PM
I think Peyton is better. Peyton just has to do so much more than Tom does (until the past few years). Brady was a system quarterback when he was winning Super Bowls and didn't become a huge numbers guy until Welker and Moss got here. Peyton has been doing this his whole career
So take away Harrison, Wayne, Edgerin James, Dallas Clark, etc and give him Troy Brown, David Patten, no rb, and Deion Branch.....

THEN....

give Harrison, Wayne, Edge, Clark, etc to Tom

and then what happens?

Like 9 Super Bowls for Tom and negative one for Peyton?

Give Tom Indy's defense and what would he do?

Pretty much what they just did.

Since Tom lost his elite defense he has lost a Super Bowl and is about to appear in another. Hmm that sure sounds a lot like how Peyton Manning has done

So you're saying they're equal?

Right now I would say yes actually. If I had to pick one to be on my team, I would still pick Peyton because imo he has a much better deep ball, but both are elite.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 22, 2012, 08:06:34 PM
I think Peyton is better. Peyton just has to do so much more than Tom does (until the past few years). Brady was a system quarterback when he was winning Super Bowls and didn't become a huge numbers guy until Welker and Moss got here. Peyton has been doing this his whole career
So take away Harrison, Wayne, Edgerin James, Dallas Clark, etc and give him Troy Brown, David Patten, no rb, and Deion Branch.....

THEN....

give Harrison, Wayne, Edge, Clark, etc to Tom

and then what happens?

Like 9 Super Bowls for Tom and negative one for Peyton?

Give Tom Indy's defense and what would he do?
are we going to get into special teams too? maybe cheerleaders?
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Roy H. on January 22, 2012, 08:08:39 PM
I think Peyton is better. Peyton just has to do so much more than Tom does (until the past few years). Brady was a system quarterback when he was winning Super Bowls and didn't become a huge numbers guy until Welker and Moss got here. Peyton has been doing this his whole career
So take away Harrison, Wayne, Edgerin James, Dallas Clark, etc and give him Troy Brown, David Patten, no rb, and Deion Branch.....

THEN....

give Harrison, Wayne, Edge, Clark, etc to Tom

and then what happens?

Like 9 Super Bowls for Tom and negative one for Peyton?

Give Tom Indy's defense and what would he do?
are we going to get into special teams too? maybe cheerleaders?

Coaching staffs would probably be a fair point of consideration.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 22, 2012, 08:22:14 PM
I think Peyton is better. Peyton just has to do so much more than Tom does (until the past few years). Brady was a system quarterback when he was winning Super Bowls and didn't become a huge numbers guy until Welker and Moss got here. Peyton has been doing this his whole career
So take away Harrison, Wayne, Edgerin James, Dallas Clark, etc and give him Troy Brown, David Patten, no rb, and Deion Branch.....

THEN....

give Harrison, Wayne, Edge, Clark, etc to Tom

and then what happens?

Like 9 Super Bowls for Tom and negative one for Peyton?

Give Tom Indy's defense and what would he do?
are we going to get into special teams too? maybe cheerleaders?

Coaching staffs would probably be a fair point of consideration.
let's not forget weather and parents. How supportive parents are matters a lot. Plus there's college coaching staffs staying in touch and how supportive one's endorsement partners are
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 22, 2012, 08:23:45 PM
I wonder what would have happened if Brady had played in a dome all those years and Peyton had played in the snow. 

Cmon cmon. Let's get as many excuses in there as possible so we can make 5-2 look more like 3-3 or 2-5 if just for a couple differences
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 22, 2012, 08:36:57 PM
You knoooooowwww Peyton is praying for his brother to get to another Super Bowl to accomplish for him what he couldn't for himself
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 22, 2012, 08:42:24 PM
If Eli goes to the Super Bowl than you pretty much gotta say Eli did more with less in a shorter amount of time
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 22, 2012, 08:45:00 PM
Tom Brady by far, and I'm a Peyton Manning fan.

Peyton during the regular season is superb. I cant make the argument that he's better than Tom Terrific though, due to his post season records.

Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: TripleThreat on January 22, 2012, 08:51:25 PM
Incidentally, We have now defeated a team with a winning record.

... although they sort of beat themselves in the last 30 seconds there.  Between Lee Evans and Billy Cundiff, the Ravens have a couple of goats.

I have a hard time understanding the logic that a single player lost the game based on one play when a game is based on the efforts of multiple players and multiple plays. Just because a play happens at the end of the game doesn't excuse the penalties, missed tackles or missed throws that other players on the team made earlier in the game.

It's sort of like when players blame a ref for losing a game because of a bad call at the end of a game. If you wouldn't have put the ref in that situation to begin with by making less mistakes earlier in the game, you wouldn't be in that position... simply that bad call was just one more reason why they lost.

My point is that the Patriots won this game just as much as the Ravens lost.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Roy H. on January 22, 2012, 08:54:44 PM
Incidentally, We have now defeated a team with a winning record.

... although they sort of beat themselves in the last 30 seconds there.  Between Lee Evans and Billy Cundiff, the Ravens have a couple of goats.

I have a hard time understanding the logic that a single player lost the game based on one play when a game is based on the efforts of multiple players and multiple plays. Just because a play happens at the end of the game doesn't excuse the penalties, missed tackles or missed throws that other players on the team made earlier in the game.

It's sort of like when players blame a ref for losing a game because of a bad call at the end of a game. If you wouldn't have put the ref in that situation to begin with by making less mistakes earlier in the game, you wouldn't be in that position... simply that bad call was just one more reason why they lost.

My point is that the Patriots won this game just as much as the Ravens lost.

Eh...  If Lee Evans makes that easy catch, the Ravens win.  We don't need to get too philosophical about things.  That one play was the key difference maker that determined a win and a loss.

Billy Cundiff is responsible for the game not going into overtime, but it's impossible to say who would have won.  Evans lost it, though.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 22, 2012, 08:55:03 PM
Maybe just to double check we should post a Dan Marino vs Joe Montana poll.

Seriously. Has this ever happened before in sports where one guy did way more winning than his rival, but people continued to suggest they might be equal?

Are there people out there that still think Patrick Ewing is about equal to MJ?

How many more Super Bowls does Tom Brady need to get to, or win, before this is done?
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: TripleThreat on January 22, 2012, 09:01:37 PM
Incidentally, We have now defeated a team with a winning record.

... although they sort of beat themselves in the last 30 seconds there.  Between Lee Evans and Billy Cundiff, the Ravens have a couple of goats.

I have a hard time understanding the logic that a single player lost the game based on one play when a game is based on the efforts of multiple players and multiple plays. Just because a play happens at the end of the game doesn't excuse the penalties, missed tackles or missed throws that other players on the team made earlier in the game.

It's sort of like when players blame a ref for losing a game because of a bad call at the end of a game. If you wouldn't have put the ref in that situation to begin with by making less mistakes earlier in the game, you wouldn't be in that position... simply that bad call was just one more reason why they lost.

My point is that the Patriots won this game just as much as the Ravens lost.

Eh...  If Lee Evans makes that easy catch, the Ravens win.  We don't need to get too philosophical about things.  That one play was the key difference maker that determined a win and a loss.

Billy Cundiff is responsible for the game not going into overtime, but it's impossible to say who would have won.  Evans lost it, though.

Honestly I thought it was a good defensive play by Moore to knock the ball away after being beat down the field. I certainly wouldn't call it an easy catch by any means. I think it's logical more than philosophical to say that a game is a sum of it's parts but maybe I'm just thinking too much.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: jambr380 on January 22, 2012, 09:04:14 PM
I used to think they were about equal - Tom winning big in the playoffs, but lacking in stats and Peyton putting up monster numbers, but unable to perform in the playoffs.

But, in recent years, Tom has been every bit as good of a statistical qb that Peyton ever was and he still has all of those superbowl appearances / wins. I get that Tom had a great defense in his early years, but he was so cool under pressure and really played well in the Patriots system.

With a win two weeks from now, Tom will have a resume that could easily have him going down as the best qb in history.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Onslaught on January 22, 2012, 09:21:40 PM
If I had a team and had to pick one for my QB it be Manning.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 22, 2012, 09:22:54 PM
If I had a team and had to pick one for my QB it be Manning.
Which one? The one that's not that good, or the one that the jury is still out on?
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: slamdunk on January 22, 2012, 09:24:40 PM
I'll say manning is better. Brady has had the benefit of a stronger team around him. Look at the 2011 Colts w/o Manning and then the 2008 Patriots w/o Brady. Huge difference.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 22, 2012, 09:31:30 PM
you gotta wonder how many Indy fans wish they'd had Brady cause no Pats fans wish we had Peyton
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Cman on January 22, 2012, 09:33:42 PM
Incidentally, We have now defeated a team with a winning record.

... although they sort of beat themselves in the last 30 seconds there.  Between Lee Evans and Billy Cundiff, the Ravens have a couple of goats.

I have a hard time understanding the logic that a single player lost the game based on one play when a game is based on the efforts of multiple players and multiple plays. Just because a play happens at the end of the game doesn't excuse the penalties, missed tackles or missed throws that other players on the team made earlier in the game.

It's sort of like when players blame a ref for losing a game because of a bad call at the end of a game. If you wouldn't have put the ref in that situation to begin with by making less mistakes earlier in the game, you wouldn't be in that position... simply that bad call was just one more reason why they lost.

My point is that the Patriots won this game just as much as the Ravens lost.

Eh...  If Lee Evans makes that easy catch, the Ravens win.  We don't need to get too philosophical about things.  That one play was the key difference maker that determined a win and a loss.

Billy Cundiff is responsible for the game not going into overtime, but it's impossible to say who would have won.  Evans lost it, though.

No, if Evans makes that catch, the Ravens go up by 4 points (assuming Cundiff doesn't shank the PAT).

22 seconds on the clock is time enough for Brady to try a hail mary or two.

As a Giants fan, I know you can appreciate that
;)
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Cman on January 22, 2012, 09:35:05 PM
My point is that the Patriots won this game just as much as the Ravens lost.

The Patriots did many things well. One of them was containing Ray Rice.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Roy H. on January 22, 2012, 09:35:56 PM
you gotta wonder how many Indy fans wish they'd had Brady cause no Pats fans wish we had Peyton

... and no Pats fans wish they had Jim Caldwell (or frankly Tony Dungy) or the Indy defense, either.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: PosImpos on January 22, 2012, 09:36:57 PM
you gotta wonder how many Indy fans wish they'd had Brady cause no Pats fans wish we had Peyton

... and no Pats fans wish they had Jim Caldwell (or frankly Tony Dungy) or the Indy defense, either.

Yup.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 22, 2012, 10:01:02 PM
you gotta wonder how many Indy fans wish they'd had Brady cause no Pats fans wish we had Peyton

... and no Pats fans wish they had Jim Caldwell (or frankly Tony Dungy) or the Indy defense, either.
the Pats lost coach (Weis) after coach (Crennel) after coach (Mangini) after coach (McDaniels) after coach (Bill O'B)

People have forgotten the multiple pro bowlers Peyton played with on defense and on his o-line, and his kicker, and Joseph Addai
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: galvinx10 on January 22, 2012, 10:08:37 PM
To be honest, the last few years, the Patriots have been very similar to the Colts with Peyton. Very successful in the regular season and then losing in the playoffs. It is extremely hard to win in the playoffs without a good defense, and Peyton has had that working against him his whole career.

Also, I just feel that the throws that Peyton makes have a higher level of difficulty. Tom plays in a system where he throws a lot of short passes that get a lot of YAC, whereas Peyton throws down the field more. I'm not saying that Tom can't make these throws, but more that Peyton has proven he can make these throws on a more consistent basis.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 22, 2012, 10:19:02 PM
you gotta wonder how many Indy fans wish they'd had Brady cause no Pats fans wish we had Peyton

... and no Pats fans wish they had Jim Caldwell (or frankly Tony Dungy) or the Indy defense, either.
Dungy was 2nd team on the NFL 2000's all-decade team. The Hall of Fame committee did that voting.

But then again you know what I think of the Hall of Fame
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Roy H. on January 22, 2012, 10:22:32 PM
you gotta wonder how many Indy fans wish they'd had Brady cause no Pats fans wish we had Peyton

... and no Pats fans wish they had Jim Caldwell (or frankly Tony Dungy) or the Indy defense, either.
Dungy was 2nd team on the NFL 2000's all-decade team. The Hall of Fame committee did that voting.

But then again you know what I think of the Hall of Fame

Dungy gets votes because he's an extremely likeable guy.  I'm not sure he's the second best coach of the decade, though.  Cowher has to be ahead of him, at the very least.  I'd probably put him quite a bit lower than that, though; I never got the sense that teams were over-achieving under Dungy.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 22, 2012, 10:26:06 PM
you gotta wonder how many Indy fans wish they'd had Brady cause no Pats fans wish we had Peyton

... and no Pats fans wish they had Jim Caldwell (or frankly Tony Dungy) or the Indy defense, either.
Dungy was 2nd team on the NFL 2000's all-decade team. The Hall of Fame committee did that voting.

But then again you know what I think of the Hall of Fame

Dungy gets votes because he's an extremely likeable guy.  I'm not sure he's the second best coach of the decade, though.  Cowher has to be ahead of him, at the very least.  I'd probably put him quite a bit lower than that, though; I never got the sense that teams were over-achieving under Dungy.
Cowher wasn't likable?
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Roy H. on January 22, 2012, 10:27:10 PM
you gotta wonder how many Indy fans wish they'd had Brady cause no Pats fans wish we had Peyton

... and no Pats fans wish they had Jim Caldwell (or frankly Tony Dungy) or the Indy defense, either.
Dungy was 2nd team on the NFL 2000's all-decade team. The Hall of Fame committee did that voting.

But then again you know what I think of the Hall of Fame

Dungy gets votes because he's an extremely likeable guy.  I'm not sure he's the second best coach of the decade, though.  Cowher has to be ahead of him, at the very least.  I'd probably put him quite a bit lower than that, though; I never got the sense that teams were over-achieving under Dungy.
Cowher wasn't likable?

Less likeable than Dungy.  Better coach, though.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 22, 2012, 10:32:19 PM
If I counted right Peyton Manning played with 43 pro bowl years to Tom Brady's 44. Only Peyton started a couple years earlier and 2008 doesn't count for Brady cause he was hurt that year

Not counting their own

Some of Brady's pro bowls were Matt Slater this year. Andre Carter this year. Not included is the year Rodney Harrison didn't go to the Pro Bowl but was named All Pro. Two years for Larry izzo.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/all-pros.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/all-pros.htm

This whole thing that Brady played with vastly better players and coaches is just myth.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 22, 2012, 10:32:50 PM
you gotta wonder how many Indy fans wish they'd had Brady cause no Pats fans wish we had Peyton

... and no Pats fans wish they had Jim Caldwell (or frankly Tony Dungy) or the Indy defense, either.
Dungy was 2nd team on the NFL 2000's all-decade team. The Hall of Fame committee did that voting.

But then again you know what I think of the Hall of Fame

Dungy gets votes because he's an extremely likeable guy.  I'm not sure he's the second best coach of the decade, though.  Cowher has to be ahead of him, at the very least.  I'd probably put him quite a bit lower than that, though; I never got the sense that teams were over-achieving under Dungy.
Cowher wasn't likable?

Less likeable than Dungy.  Better coach, though.
Is Belichek likable?
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: PosImpos on January 22, 2012, 10:34:20 PM
you gotta wonder how many Indy fans wish they'd had Brady cause no Pats fans wish we had Peyton

... and no Pats fans wish they had Jim Caldwell (or frankly Tony Dungy) or the Indy defense, either.
Dungy was 2nd team on the NFL 2000's all-decade team. The Hall of Fame committee did that voting.

But then again you know what I think of the Hall of Fame

Dungy gets votes because he's an extremely likeable guy.  I'm not sure he's the second best coach of the decade, though.  Cowher has to be ahead of him, at the very least.  I'd probably put him quite a bit lower than that, though; I never got the sense that teams were over-achieving under Dungy.
Cowher wasn't likable?

Less likeable than Dungy.  Better coach, though.
Is Belichek likable?

I sure like him :)
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 22, 2012, 10:43:12 PM
It's of slight note that Peyton played with the Colts all time leader in receiving yards, rushing yards, and all time winningest coach, and numbers 1 and 2 all time sacks leaders and several of the Colts top ten all time ints leaders.

Whereas Brady played only with the Pats winningest coach. McGinnest (many of whose sacks were with Bledsoe) and Vrabel rank 2nd and fourth for the Pats. He played with the #1 (Law) and #10 (Asante) int leaders. Many of Law's were with Bledsoe

Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Roy H. on January 22, 2012, 10:53:12 PM
Funny how things can change in a year:

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=43792.0

;)
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Change on January 22, 2012, 10:56:49 PM
They settle this in Superbowl. Manning Vs Brady
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 22, 2012, 10:56:56 PM
brady but my boy Eli is slowing moving into competition!  ;)
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 22, 2012, 10:56:59 PM
Funny how things can change in a year:

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=43792.0

;)
I always maintained that Tom was better than Peyton.   Eli I'm getting nervous about.

That said Tom admitted he was cruddy tonight. I definitely think the Colts should look into trading Peyton, but it won't work cause of his huge contract.

Tom is one of the top 5 QBs ever. But his best days are way behind him and he hasn't contributed to a big playoff win since 2008 unless you count the Broncos, which I do, because beating Tim Tebow is a Divine miracle.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 22, 2012, 11:04:49 PM
Tom Brady now has more Super Bowl appearances than Peyton, Eli, Archie, Cooper, and Mrs. Manning combined.

Also for the majority of his career Peyton had this many pro bowlers on defense....

Dwight Freeny and Robert Mathis on the edges

Cato June at linebacker

Bob Sanders and Antoine Bethea in the secondary

On the line
Tarik Glenn to protect his blind side and Jeff Saturday to hike him the ball, and if you consider a TE a lineman he had Ken Dilger in 2001 and Dallas Clark most of his career, whereas Brady never had a TE pro bowler till this year and used Vrabel there multiple times
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: KGs Knee on January 22, 2012, 11:10:01 PM
So which Manning are we talking about?   ;)

I'm guessing you're not trying to say Eli.  Because, in two weeks when Eli beats Brady yet again.  Then What?   ;D


Yes, I'm a Giants fan.  And, no, I'm not here to start trouble.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 22, 2012, 11:11:33 PM
So which Manning are we talking about?   ;)

I'm guessing you're not trying to say Eli.  Because, in two weeks when Eli beats Brady yet again.  Then What?   ;D


Yes, I'm a Giants fan.  And, no, I'm not here to start trouble.
That's when I restart the Trade Brady thread by suggesting we shop him, then everyone misquotes me for a year
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: KGs Knee on January 22, 2012, 11:22:29 PM
In all seriousness though, I've always looked at the discussion as such.  Manning is the more physically talented QB, but Brady is right there with him.  And although Manning is a supreme student of the game, Brady is just a little more there between the ears.

Really, it's a toss-up to me.  Brady gets the edge (at this point, convincingly) due to post-season accomplishments.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: byennie on January 22, 2012, 11:35:26 PM
If Brady can play another 3-4 seasons while Peyton plays 1 or 2 (or none), there will be no argument because Brady will close the gap on statistical marks.

Brady already leads in QB rating, but roughly trails in TDs (400 to 300) and yards (55k to 40k). He throws fewer INTs and about the same yards per attempt. In today's game, 15k yards and 100 TDs is only about 3 seasons of work!

Which leads me to the next point. Brees and then Rodgers are going to blow away the regular season numbers anyway. SO, in another 10 years when neither Brady nor Manning are the all-time stat leaders, the Super Bowls will be what stands out. Advantage, Brady.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 23, 2012, 08:19:17 AM
If Eli wins this Super Bowl he definitely becomes the better Manning.....two wins against Brady vs a win against...Rex Grossman, and a loss to Brees
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: birdwatcher on January 23, 2012, 08:43:00 AM
I'm not sure now is a great time to be extolling the greatness of Tom Brady, considering he played about as bad as he could have with his team still winning the game.

He got outplayed quite handily by Joe Flacco, for Pete's sake.

I'm confident that there's no coach-QB combo in the league right now, and perhaps not anywhere else in the history of the NFL, that is better than Bellichick-Brady.
Yeah he got outplayed statistically, but how would Flacco fair against a defense like the Ravens? The Pats D made some plays when they had to and had a couple outstanding individual  performances, but if Brady had to play against a D of our calibur, it would have been like playing Denver again.
Let me be clear, Flacco having a good game against this year's Pats defense is not impressive. This team gave up the second most passing yards in the league, he SHOULD have had a good game. And obviously the plan was to contain Rice, and they certainly did that.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Rondo2287 on January 23, 2012, 08:46:17 AM
Brady has had his struggles recently but is still one of the best in the business.  I will say thought that the bomb he through after the spikes incompletion was probably one of the worst decisions of his career.

Im not sure if Manning would make that mistake.  I don't think he would have.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Cman on January 23, 2012, 09:33:57 AM
So which Manning are we talking about?   ;)

I'm guessing you're not trying to say Eli.  Because, in two weeks when Eli beats Brady yet again.  Then What?   ;D


Yes, I'm a Giants fan.  And, no, I'm not here to start trouble.

But the two of them don't play each other, they play the defenses.

I find the Manning v. Brady debates are weird.
Are we talking right now, or over the course of history? Or at their primes?

Peyton Manning < Tom Brady right now. No question. Peyton might not ever play again.
 
At their peak, Manning>Brady.

When all is said and done, both will be Hall of Fame, and will have impressive lists of accomplishments attached to their names. Fans will debate which of the accomplishments prove that one is better than the other, but such analysis will always be subject to bias.

Clearly in the important category - SB wins - Brady comes out on top. But again, I'm biased. :)

As for Eli, he is clearly an elite QB, one of the top 5 in the league. He is also youner than Brady, and will continue to have success for many more years. Just hopefully no more success this year....
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Marcus13 on January 23, 2012, 10:00:15 AM
Manning.  Lol at Brady being the best QB in the league again because Lee Evans dropped a ball and Baltimore has a terrible kicker
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Rondo2287 on January 23, 2012, 10:01:03 AM
Manning.  Lol at Brady being the best QB in the league again because Lee Evans dropped a ball and Baltimore has a terrible kicker

Did you LOL at him last year when he was the unanimous MVP when Manning was still playing? 
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Chelm on January 23, 2012, 10:06:15 AM
Maybe just to double check we should post a Dan Marino vs Joe Montana poll.

Seriously. Has this ever happened before in sports where one guy did way more winning than his rival, but people continued to suggest they might be equal?

Are there people out there that still think Patrick Ewing is about equal to MJ?

How many more Super Bowls does Tom Brady need to get to, or win, before this is done?
Are there people out there that still think Barry Sanders is about equal to Emmitt Smith?

In basketball where one person can have such an incredible impact on the team, championships mean a lot more to a player's legacy than they do in football.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: PosImpos on January 23, 2012, 10:06:23 AM
Manning.  Lol at Brady being the best QB in the league again because Lee Evans dropped a ball and Baltimore has a terrible kicker

this sort of insightful response is why i think the timing on this post is off.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 23, 2012, 10:31:39 AM
Maybe just to double check we should post a Dan Marino vs Joe Montana poll.

Seriously. Has this ever happened before in sports where one guy did way more winning than his rival, but people continued to suggest they might be equal?

Are there people out there that still think Patrick Ewing is about equal to MJ?

How many more Super Bowls does Tom Brady need to get to, or win, before this is done?
Are there people out there that still think Barry Sanders is about equal to Emmitt Smith?

In basketball where one person can have such an incredible impact on the team, championships mean a lot more to a player's legacy than they do in football.
the impact a running back has on an NFL team is nill compared to a QB.

I think I heard on tv once that after a HOF QB the next most likely thing a team has that wins a Super Bowl is actually a HOF linebacker
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Fan from VT on January 23, 2012, 10:32:52 AM
So I am a Pats fan, which means I would love or Brady to be the clearcut best ever.

I don't know if you can easily make that claim though. It's hard because football is just not an individual sport, despite media/fan attempts to make it that, and any attempts to make it such are doomed to fail. Not only is a qb on the field for less than half of a game (defense and special teams) but on offense, though he is the most important player, there are still 10 others on the field at the same time.

So people can say that manning would never have thrown that INT bomb in the pats-ravens game, but on the other hand Manning has never had the lousy WRs at creating separation that Brady has had for the bulk of his career. Except for 3 years or so of Moss, Brady's receivers have been unable to create any ounce of separation on their own, and their patterns are generally short and based on design and timing. Very difficult. Manning can do this too, of course, but he also was known for if he had any more than 4-5 seconds, Harrison and Wayne would just be wide wide open for a bomb.

On the flipside, people can say Brady won 3 superbowls, but really the Pats did. Back when they won, their defense was very very good and they had an incredible kicker. Better than the colts' respective units. If Manning has that defense, he probably has a few more superbowls.

To switch again, people talk about stats and Manning over Brady. Couple points. First, for the first half of Brady's career, he was saddled with extraordinarily average pieces on offense. Just not an emphasis of how they built their team. Never the case with Manning, who was always stacked on the offensive side.

Of course both teams were great at keeping their O-lines intact and at a high level compared to many other teams.

How do you possibly quantify those things into a head to head comparison in a game that has 50+ on each roster? It's an impossible media construction.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Cman on January 23, 2012, 10:35:50 AM
Manning.  Lol at Brady being the best QB in the league again because Lee Evans dropped a ball and Baltimore has a terrible kicker

Did you LOL at him last year when he was the unanimous MVP when Manning was still playing? 

And did you hear the resounding "CLICK" from my mouse when I gave Rondo2287 a well-deserved TP for that retort?
:)
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Fan from VT on January 23, 2012, 10:35:55 AM
I will say this:

If Brady was named "Manning," drafted overall #1, and had the exact same career as Bray to this point: 3 superbowls, lots of yards, 300 tds, etc., and Manning was named "Brady" and came out of nowhere, and had Peyton's career: tons of yards, 400 tds, 1 superbowl...Both would be hall of famers, but I think Brady would probably be considered better. Momentum counts for a lot, and media guys never like to let go of #1 status.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 23, 2012, 10:49:13 AM
I will say this:

If Brady was named "Manning," drafted overall #1, and had the exact same career as Bray to this point: 3 superbowls, lots of yards, 300 tds, etc., and Manning was named "Brady" and came out of nowhere, and had Peyton's career: tons of yards, 400 tds, 1 superbowl...Both would be hall of famers, but I think Brady would probably be considered better. Momentum counts for a lot, and media guys never like to let go of #1 status.
The Mannings had better start having kids cause Tom already has two boys. In 20 years this can heat up again. Already looking forward to Barry Sanders Jr. and John Elway's boy and the Montana boys are sorta disappointing.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: CelticG1 on January 23, 2012, 11:15:02 AM
Brady by far

Look at the TD-INT ratio compared to Peyton. Blows him out of the water.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Fafnir on January 23, 2012, 11:24:18 AM
Brady by far

Look at the TD-INT ratio compared to Peyton. Blows him out of the water.
The stats don't show any clear separation. Peyton throws picks slightly more often and TDs slightly less often (2.2 INT% 5.8 TD% Brady, 2.7 INT% 5.7 TD% for Peyton)

But Brady takes more sacks and fumbles the ball more often, more total in far less games than Peyton. (Brady 276 sacks 4.9% sack% and 78 fumbles, Peyton 231 3.1% sack% 57 fumbles)

Passer ratings near identical, yards per completion near identical, net yards per attempt very close, etc, etc.

Basically if you think one is clearly better than the other you're weighting # SB runs or defense/coaching support.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Rondo2287 on January 23, 2012, 11:24:59 AM
I think its obviously pretty easy to tell the difference between a good QB and a bad one.  But differentiating between two great QB's is very difficult, especially since they have unique strengths that makes them great.  

I think both Brady and Manning throw great, catchable passes, but I think Manning might be a touch more consistent, its not often you see him just completly whiff a pass, though we do see it every once in a while from Brady.

I think Brady is better with the intangables, Manning often shows his body language and brings his team down as a result if things arent going his way.

One final thing to add, I do not think that you would ever in a million years see Manning dive over the pile like Brady did yesterday.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Donoghus on January 23, 2012, 11:27:41 AM
I find the timing of this thread a bit odd. 

Brady plays one of his worst games in recent memory, even referencing the fact that he "sucked", plus there is still one very large game to be played that will have legacy ramifications all over the place.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 23, 2012, 11:32:33 AM
Brady by far

Look at the TD-INT ratio compared to Peyton. Blows him out of the water.
The stats don't show any clear separation. Peyton throws picks slightly more often and TDs slightly less often (2.2 INT% 5.8 TD% Brady, 2.7 INT% 5.7 TD% for Peyton)

But Brady takes more sacks and fumbles the ball more often, more total in far less games than Peyton. (Brady 276 sacks 4.9% sack% and 78 fumbles, Peyton 231 3.1% sack% 57 fumbles)

Passer ratings near identical, yards per completion near identical, net yards per attempt very close, etc, etc.

Basically if you think one is clearly better than the other you're weighting # SB runs or defense/coaching support.
so following Don's theory of the tie breaker Tom emerges the winner
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 23, 2012, 11:34:35 AM
I find the timing of this thread a bit odd. 

Brady plays one of his worst games in recent memory, even referencing the fact that he "sucked", plus there is still one very large game to be played that will have legacy ramifications all over the place.
If Brady plays a horrid Super Bowl then Peyton fans would have something, but we'd still have Peyton's game losing Super Bowl int
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Fafnir on January 23, 2012, 11:36:10 AM
Brady by far

Look at the TD-INT ratio compared to Peyton. Blows him out of the water.
The stats don't show any clear separation. Peyton throws picks slightly more often and TDs slightly less often (2.2 INT% 5.8 TD% Brady, 2.7 INT% 5.7 TD% for Peyton)

But Brady takes more sacks and fumbles the ball more often, more total in far less games than Peyton. (Brady 276 sacks 4.9% sack% and 78 fumbles, Peyton 231 3.1% sack% 57 fumbles)

Passer ratings near identical, yards per completion near identical, net yards per attempt very close, etc, etc.

Basically if you think one is clearly better than the other you're weighting # SB runs or defense/coaching support.
so following Don's theory of the tie breaker Tom emerges the winner
Indeed by way of being a Pats fan the tiebreaker goes to Brady for most here.

Well that and the fact that Tom Brady is so [dang] inspiring to his defenses over the years. Clearly Tebow learned how to inspire the other side of the ball from Brady's fine work.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: PosImpos on January 23, 2012, 11:37:29 AM

One final thing to add, I do not think that you would ever in a million years see Manning dive over the pile like Brady did yesterday.

That's a good point, Manning has never been one to sacrifice his body like that.

I'm not sure if any QB in the league is better at the QB sneak than Brady.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Fafnir on January 23, 2012, 11:40:13 AM

One final thing to add, I do not think that you would ever in a million years see Manning dive over the pile like Brady did yesterday.

That's a good point, Manning has never been one to sacrifice his body like that.

I'm not sure if any QB in the league is better at the QB sneak than Brady.
He used to have a scattering of rushing TDs till the last few years. I wouldn't be shocked the coaches stopped calling sneaks for him ever after his neck injury 3 or 4 years ago.

Brady/Rodgers are the best two QBs at sneaks I've seen in the league lately.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 23, 2012, 11:43:37 AM
Brady by far

Look at the TD-INT ratio compared to Peyton. Blows him out of the water.
The stats don't show any clear separation. Peyton throws picks slightly more often and TDs slightly less often (2.2 INT% 5.8 TD% Brady, 2.7 INT% 5.7 TD% for Peyton)

But Brady takes more sacks and fumbles the ball more often, more total in far less games than Peyton. (Brady 276 sacks 4.9% sack% and 78 fumbles, Peyton 231 3.1% sack% 57 fumbles)

Passer ratings near identical, yards per completion near identical, net yards per attempt very close, etc, etc.

Basically if you think one is clearly better than the other you're weighting # SB runs or defense/coaching support.
so following Don's theory of the tie breaker Tom emerges the winner
Indeed by way of being a Pats fan the tiebreaker goes to Brady for most here.

Well that and the fact that Tom Brady is so [dang] inspiring to his defenses over the years. Clearly Tebow learned how to inspire the other side of the ball from Brady's fine work.
Tim did say he could learn from Tom. 

I definitely think that the exact same defense was playing harder for/with Tom than they were Bledsoe.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 13, 2013, 07:18:11 PM
So projecting a win for the Patriots.

So consider this...

Tom Brady has won more AFC championship games than the amount of games Manning has won against Brady.

Manning has won 9 playoff games. Brady has played in 7 AFC championship games.

Brady has one less Super Bowl wins than the amount of wins that Manning has against him.

The head to head record is 10-4. 

Manning makes more commercials. Sometimes he wears fake mustaches. Sometimes he talks to cars. Sometimes he plays ping pong with Justin Timberlake.

Generally speaking Peyton is the bigger college legend. But his team won the national championship the year after he left. With Tee Martin at the helm.

Brady won Super Bowls against Donovan McNabb and Kurt Warner...two possible HOFers. Manning beat Rex Grossman. 

Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on January 13, 2013, 07:19:56 PM
it wasnt a choice i know but


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Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: cltc5 on January 13, 2013, 07:34:17 PM
manning...eli.  2-0 head to head ;D
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 13, 2013, 07:37:09 PM
manning...eli.  2-0 head to head ;D
In a head to head situation Eli is a lot better than Tom
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: TheBigTicket23 on January 13, 2013, 07:46:47 PM
Brady!! I like Manning but Brady is just better! More rings, better head to head and yet again deeper in the offseason this year! :)
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 13, 2013, 07:48:27 PM
after tonight Brady has almost twice as many post season wins as Manning despite Manning having two extra years of starting NFL football.

It's official. P Manning is just another guy that played during the Brady years
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: cltc5 on January 13, 2013, 07:50:57 PM
manning...eli.  2-0 head to head ;D
In a head to head situation Eli is a lot better than Tom

2 superbowl victories would suggest otherwise ;)
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: rondohondo on January 13, 2013, 07:56:32 PM
after tonight Brady has almost twice as many post season wins as Manning despite Manning having two extra years of starting NFL football.

It's official. P Manning is just another guy that played during the Brady years

Weren't you the guy that claimed Sanchez was better than Brady a few years ago because the Jets beat the Pats in the playoffs, and how he Pats should trade Brady?
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 13, 2013, 08:00:43 PM
after tonight Brady has almost twice as many post season wins as Manning despite Manning having two extra years of starting NFL football.

It's official. P Manning is just another guy that played during the Brady years

Weren't you the guy that claimed Sanchez was better than Brady a few years ago because the Jets beat the Pats in the playoffs, and how he Pats should trade Brady?
I suggested they should explore trading him.  But not for Peyton.   I don't specifically remember saying Sanchez was better than Brady although at the time Sanchez was creating a very respectable post season record. I do remember saying Brady played far worse than some high school kids would have played in that game, which was absolutely true. Basically he played like he was Peyton Manning in a post season game. Glad to know he's moved away from that.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: csfansince60s on January 13, 2013, 08:08:35 PM
Eli. should be a choice....too lazy to read the whole thread...Giants fan here....someone I am sure already posted this
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Lord of Mikawa on January 13, 2013, 08:11:28 PM
I wonder if Flacco will beat Tom and the Pats next week.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: angryguy77 on January 13, 2013, 08:15:52 PM
Brady had had better teams and 1coach his entire career there.

Hard to compare these two in a vacuum.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 13, 2013, 08:19:21 PM
Post-season wins matter, but when it comes to QBs in Brady/Manning stratosphere, I just can't say who is better.  Manning (just one example) would have had a win yesterday if Broncos safety hadn't made an almost unfathomable mistake with 30 seconds left.  Brady has a win against Eli without the head-catch or Asante drop (and 2 wins if Wes holds on). 

My eyes tell me Brady and Peyton is too close to call, and that both are a notch and a half ahead of Eli.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: cman88 on January 13, 2013, 08:29:45 PM
in the regular season they are pretty even I would say..

but you HAVE to take into account the post-season where Manning has something like 8 one and dones?and is now 1-4 after a bye week?
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 13, 2013, 08:31:25 PM
Brady had had better teams and 1coach his entire career there.

Hard to compare these two in a vacuum.
RIght. If Brady had had to play his whole career with Marvin Harrison and Edgerin James and Dallas Clark and Reggie Wayne, and Peyton had had David Patten and David Givens and Antoine Smith maybe things would be a little more evened up.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 13, 2013, 08:33:12 PM
I wonder if Flacco will beat Tom and the Pats next week.
Flacco is a far better QB than Peyton. He's got like 5 road wins in the playoffs now. If he goes on the road to beat Peyton and Tom in back to back weeks then he starts to make it up to highly respectable level. 
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 13, 2013, 08:37:10 PM
Now that Eli is an option I wonder if I should reset the voting.   I kinda want to
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Lord of Mikawa on January 13, 2013, 08:41:18 PM
Brady had had better teams and 1coach his entire career there.

Hard to compare these two in a vacuum.
This is why I can't say Tom is better than Peyton.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Mazingerz on January 13, 2013, 08:43:16 PM
Tom Brady for me. Plays thru pressure and is a team player.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 13, 2013, 08:47:22 PM
Wheaties just cancelled their contract with Peyton Manning. Evidently they're the breakfast of champions. Not the breakfast of one good year.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: angryguy77 on January 13, 2013, 08:53:43 PM
Brady had had better teams and 1coach his entire career there.

Hard to compare these two in a vacuum.
RIght. If Brady had had to play his whole career with Marvin Harrison and Edgerin James and Dallas Clark and Reggie Wayne, and Peyton had had David Patten and David Givens and Antoine Smith maybe things would be a little more evened up.

I'll reply with this: when brady missed a year the pats went 11-5. When manning went down the colts won the suck for luck sweepstakes. 

This is moot anyways, Favre was better than both  ;D
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Onslaught on January 13, 2013, 08:58:56 PM
The only reason Peyton Manning's out of the playoffs is because of John Fox. That L is all on him.

Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 13, 2013, 09:11:48 PM
Brady had had better teams and 1coach his entire career there.

Hard to compare these two in a vacuum.
RIght. If Brady had had to play his whole career with Marvin Harrison and Edgerin James and Dallas Clark and Reggie Wayne, and Peyton had had David Patten and David Givens and Antoine Smith maybe things would be a little more evened up.

I'll reply with this: when brady missed a year the pats went 11-5. When manning went down the colts won the suck for luck sweepstakes. 

This is moot anyways, Favre was better than both  ;D
Ah yes. And he managed to take a team that lost in the 2nd round of the playoffs with Tebow to....a 2nd round loss in the playoffs.  And now look at the Colts. With a rookie they're about as good as they were with peyton
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Cman on January 13, 2013, 09:44:20 PM
Brady had had better teams and 1coach his entire career there.

Hard to compare these two in a vacuum.
RIght. If Brady had had to play his whole career with Marvin Harrison and Edgerin James and Dallas Clark and Reggie Wayne, and Peyton had had David Patten and David Givens and Antoine Smith maybe things would be a little more evened up.

Would the o- lines be swapped too? I'd love to see Brady's career with Jeff Saturday at center.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Eja117 on January 13, 2013, 09:55:26 PM
Brady had had better teams and 1coach his entire career there.

Hard to compare these two in a vacuum.
RIght. If Brady had had to play his whole career with Marvin Harrison and Edgerin James and Dallas Clark and Reggie Wayne, and Peyton had had David Patten and David Givens and Antoine Smith maybe things would be a little more evened up.

Would the o- lines be swapped too? I'd love to see Brady's career with Jeff Saturday at center.
And Tarrik Glen at LT? Sure. Swap those lines. I don't mind.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Redz on January 13, 2013, 10:54:46 PM
both lost to Baltimore first playoff game after missing whole seasons due to injury
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: fandrew on January 13, 2013, 11:58:02 PM
Brady had had better teams and 1coach his entire career there.

Hard to compare these two in a vacuum.
RIght. If Brady had had to play his whole career with Marvin Harrison and Edgerin James and Dallas Clark and Reggie Wayne, and Peyton had had David Patten and David Givens and Antoine Smith maybe things would be a little more evened up.

Would the o- lines be swapped too? I'd love to see Brady's career with Jeff Saturday at center.
And Tarrik Glen at LT? Sure. Swap those lines. I don't mind.

I think if Manning had been with the Patriots, he would have had an even more incredible career that he had already had.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: blink on January 14, 2013, 12:07:24 AM
after tonight Brady has almost twice as many post season wins as Manning despite Manning having two extra years of starting NFL football.

It's official. P Manning is just another guy that played during the Brady years

I really hope that last line was sarcasm.  Because Manning isn't just a footnote.  That is like saying Marino is just a footnote during Montana's years.  We all know that the 49's had better teams than the Dolphins and won the super bowls but the comparison doesn't happen in a vacuum.

P. Manning probably passes Marino to be 2nd all time in passing yards ever.  That feat shouldn't be a foot note during the Brady years.  And obviously Brady is an incredible QB.
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Moranis on January 14, 2013, 09:48:31 AM
The only reason Peyton Manning's out of the playoffs is because of John Fox. That L is all on him.
Really.  that 3rd and 7 was called a pass play, Manning audibled it into a run.  Maybe if Manning would have called the original play they pick up the first down and ice the game (or maybe he throws a pick six, who knows).  Manning played poorly, but so did the entire Denver team aside from the kick returner.  Baltimore out played Denver in that game and won every statistical category of note except time of possession and kick/punt return yards.  Fox isn't the guy who got beat on 3 long TD passes.  Fox isn't the guy that turned the ball over 3 times.  Fox isn't the guy that hit the ground a foot behind the ball on a FG attempt.  Fox isn't the guy that couldn't convert a first down to ice the game.  Sure, Denver should have tried to move the ball with 30 seconds left and the score tied, but that isn't why they lost the game (they did after all have multiple possessions in OT).
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: wdleehi on January 14, 2013, 09:55:44 AM
Again?



Didn't you put Brady down for a win last year when you started this thread?



Wait until he actually finishes the playoffs this season. 
Title: Re: Now who's better? Manning or Brady?
Post by: Donoghus on January 14, 2013, 10:13:01 AM
I feel like this debate gets bumped every time one or the other gets bumped from the playoffs.

Both are Top 5 All-Time QBs.