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Title: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: Moranis on January 20, 2012, 09:30:52 PM
The Heat are a better team when Wade doesn't play because Lebron doesn't defer and just takes over (the Heat is 5-0 without Wade, 5-4 with Wade this year).  When Wade plays he just gets in Lebron's way and the team is worse on the whole.  And lets face it, the Heat go as Lebron goes, and will as long as Lebron is on the team.

I don't actually think they will trade Wade, but I would certainly be looking at it if I'm Pat Riley and would certainly call the Magic to see if they would swap Wade for Howard.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: Roy H. on January 20, 2012, 09:33:23 PM
Wade is their only chance of winning a title, though, when Lebron has his annual choke job in the Finals.  Wade has two of the top ten Finals series performances ever, whereas Lebron has two of the most disappointing.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: KCattheStripe on January 20, 2012, 09:35:40 PM
LEBRON FOR HOWARD!
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: PosImpos on January 20, 2012, 09:35:47 PM
::)
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: Moranis on January 20, 2012, 09:48:45 PM
Wade is their only chance of winning a title, though, when Lebron has his annual choke job in the Finals.  Wade has two of the top ten Finals series performances ever, whereas Lebron has two of the most disappointing.
I think Lebron's failures in the finals are greatly exaggerated.  Even last year, he had that terrible game 4, but the other 5 games weren't bad games on the whole (18 p, 7.2 r, 6.8 a on 48% shooting in the 6 games).  His real problem was deferring to Wade (who was playing very well).  Without Wade around, Lebron doesn't defer and the Heat beat the Mavs (and I think they do so even if they don't trade Wade and he just wasn't around).

Against the Spurs, the Cavs were just overmatched all around, but Lebron still averaged 22 p, 7 r, and 6.8 a.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: Roy H. on January 20, 2012, 09:52:22 PM
Wade is their only chance of winning a title, though, when Lebron has his annual choke job in the Finals.  Wade has two of the top ten Finals series performances ever, whereas Lebron has two of the most disappointing.
I think Lebron's failures in the finals are greatly exaggerated.  Even last year, he had that terrible game 4, but the other 5 games weren't bad games on the whole (18 p, 7.2 r, 6.8 a on 48% shooting in the 6 games).  His real problem was deferring to Wade (who was playing very well).  Without Wade around, Lebron doesn't defer and the Heat beat the Mavs (and I think they do so even if they don't trade Wade and he just wasn't around).

Against the Spurs, the Cavs were just overmatched all around, but Lebron still averaged 22 p, 7 r, and 6.8 a.

For 95% of the players in the NBA, 18/7/7 is a great series.  Not for Lebron, though.  He looked timid and scared, and he wasn't just deferring to Wade.  He was deferring to guys like Haslem and Joel Anthony.

Eventually, I'm sure Lebron will play well in a Finals, and his team will win a couple of titles.  However, I absolutely do think Wade is a better closer.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: Who on January 20, 2012, 10:32:48 PM
I don't actually think they will trade Wade, but I would certainly be looking at it if I'm Pat Riley and would certainly call the Magic to see if they would swap Wade for Howard.
Same here
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 20, 2012, 10:34:47 PM
Yeah...right.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kYbWwZw3Y8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kYbWwZw3Y8)


Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 20, 2012, 10:37:25 PM
LBJ,Bosch, Wade probally signed some special contract where they can 't get traded.  They gave up salary , I doubt Wade would leave and they can't make him I'm betting.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: Moranis on January 21, 2012, 09:40:26 AM
Wade is their only chance of winning a title, though, when Lebron has his annual choke job in the Finals.  Wade has two of the top ten Finals series performances ever, whereas Lebron has two of the most disappointing.
I think Lebron's failures in the finals are greatly exaggerated.  Even last year, he had that terrible game 4, but the other 5 games weren't bad games on the whole (18 p, 7.2 r, 6.8 a on 48% shooting in the 6 games).  His real problem was deferring to Wade (who was playing very well).  Without Wade around, Lebron doesn't defer and the Heat beat the Mavs (and I think they do so even if they don't trade Wade and he just wasn't around).

Against the Spurs, the Cavs were just overmatched all around, but Lebron still averaged 22 p, 7 r, and 6.8 a.

For 95% of the players in the NBA, 18/7/7 is a great series.  Not for Lebron, though.  He looked timid and scared, and he wasn't just deferring to Wade.  He was deferring to guys like Haslem and Joel Anthony.

Eventually, I'm sure Lebron will play well in a Finals, and his team will win a couple of titles.  However, I absolutely do think Wade is a better closer.
Wade is a better closer, but Lebron is a better player and the Heat play better when Wade doesn't play.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: LB3533 on January 21, 2012, 10:21:49 AM
I don't think they should trade Wade, just make Wade play the 4th quarter haha.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: wdleehi on January 21, 2012, 12:41:30 PM
I would trade Wade to NJ for Williams and Lopez


http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7ld4grs


NJ gets the star it wants with control for a couple of years and have cap space to bring in a Howard.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: Moranis on January 21, 2012, 04:23:36 PM
I would trade Wade to NJ for Williams and Lopez


http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7ld4grs


NJ gets the star it wants with control for a couple of years and have cap space to bring in a Howard.
That would be a good trade for both teams (assuming Williams at least agrees to not opt out).  Howard still makes more sense but something I would look at if I'm Miami.  I also would see if NY would trade Amare and Fields for Wade.  Heck I might even look at something like Biedrins and Curry from Golden State.

Again I don't think Miami will trade Wade, but they should.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: KCattheStripe on January 21, 2012, 04:26:14 PM
Wade is their only chance of winning a title, though, when Lebron has his annual choke job in the Finals.  Wade has two of the top ten Finals series performances ever, whereas Lebron has two of the most disappointing.
I think Lebron's failures in the finals are greatly exaggerated.  Even last year, he had that terrible game 4, but the other 5 games weren't bad games on the whole (18 p, 7.2 r, 6.8 a on 48% shooting in the 6 games).  His real problem was deferring to Wade (who was playing very well).  Without Wade around, Lebron doesn't defer and the Heat beat the Mavs (and I think they do so even if they don't trade Wade and he just wasn't around).

Against the Spurs, the Cavs were just overmatched all around, but Lebron still averaged 22 p, 7 r, and 6.8 a.

For 95% of the players in the NBA, 18/7/7 is a great series.  Not for Lebron, though.  He looked timid and scared, and he wasn't just deferring to Wade.  He was deferring to guys like Haslem and Joel Anthony.

Eventually, I'm sure Lebron will play well in a Finals, and his team will win a couple of titles.  However, I absolutely do think Wade is a better closer.
Wade is a better closer, but Lebron is a better player and the Heat play better when Wade doesn't play.

False, the Heat pulled out of their funk last year when Wade's usage went up.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: Moranis on January 21, 2012, 05:05:44 PM
Wade is their only chance of winning a title, though, when Lebron has his annual choke job in the Finals.  Wade has two of the top ten Finals series performances ever, whereas Lebron has two of the most disappointing.
I think Lebron's failures in the finals are greatly exaggerated.  Even last year, he had that terrible game 4, but the other 5 games weren't bad games on the whole (18 p, 7.2 r, 6.8 a on 48% shooting in the 6 games).  His real problem was deferring to Wade (who was playing very well).  Without Wade around, Lebron doesn't defer and the Heat beat the Mavs (and I think they do so even if they don't trade Wade and he just wasn't around).

Against the Spurs, the Cavs were just overmatched all around, but Lebron still averaged 22 p, 7 r, and 6.8 a.

For 95% of the players in the NBA, 18/7/7 is a great series.  Not for Lebron, though.  He looked timid and scared, and he wasn't just deferring to Wade.  He was deferring to guys like Haslem and Joel Anthony.

Eventually, I'm sure Lebron will play well in a Finals, and his team will win a couple of titles.  However, I absolutely do think Wade is a better closer.
Wade is a better closer, but Lebron is a better player and the Heat play better when Wade doesn't play.

False, the Heat pulled out of their funk last year when Wade's usage went up.
1-0 without Wade or Lebron, 4-0 without Wade, 5-4 with Wade.  Last year doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: KCattheStripe on January 21, 2012, 05:40:46 PM
Wade is their only chance of winning a title, though, when Lebron has his annual choke job in the Finals.  Wade has two of the top ten Finals series performances ever, whereas Lebron has two of the most disappointing.
I think Lebron's failures in the finals are greatly exaggerated.  Even last year, he had that terrible game 4, but the other 5 games weren't bad games on the whole (18 p, 7.2 r, 6.8 a on 48% shooting in the 6 games).  His real problem was deferring to Wade (who was playing very well).  Without Wade around, Lebron doesn't defer and the Heat beat the Mavs (and I think they do so even if they don't trade Wade and he just wasn't around).

Against the Spurs, the Cavs were just overmatched all around, but Lebron still averaged 22 p, 7 r, and 6.8 a.

For 95% of the players in the NBA, 18/7/7 is a great series.  Not for Lebron, though.  He looked timid and scared, and he wasn't just deferring to Wade.  He was deferring to guys like Haslem and Joel Anthony.

Eventually, I'm sure Lebron will play well in a Finals, and his team will win a couple of titles.  However, I absolutely do think Wade is a better closer.
Wade is a better closer, but Lebron is a better player and the Heat play better when Wade doesn't play.

False, the Heat pulled out of their funk last year when Wade's usage went up.
1-0 without Wade or Lebron, 4-0 without Wade, 5-4 with Wade.  Last year doesn't matter.

You're right and because small sample sizes always makes for a compelling argument, they should trade both Wade and LeBron and let Bosh lead the team to the promised land.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: Moranis on January 21, 2012, 11:15:58 PM
Wade is their only chance of winning a title, though, when Lebron has his annual choke job in the Finals.  Wade has two of the top ten Finals series performances ever, whereas Lebron has two of the most disappointing.
I think Lebron's failures in the finals are greatly exaggerated.  Even last year, he had that terrible game 4, but the other 5 games weren't bad games on the whole (18 p, 7.2 r, 6.8 a on 48% shooting in the 6 games).  His real problem was deferring to Wade (who was playing very well).  Without Wade around, Lebron doesn't defer and the Heat beat the Mavs (and I think they do so even if they don't trade Wade and he just wasn't around).

Against the Spurs, the Cavs were just overmatched all around, but Lebron still averaged 22 p, 7 r, and 6.8 a.

For 95% of the players in the NBA, 18/7/7 is a great series.  Not for Lebron, though.  He looked timid and scared, and he wasn't just deferring to Wade.  He was deferring to guys like Haslem and Joel Anthony.

Eventually, I'm sure Lebron will play well in a Finals, and his team will win a couple of titles.  However, I absolutely do think Wade is a better closer.
Wade is a better closer, but Lebron is a better player and the Heat play better when Wade doesn't play.

False, the Heat pulled out of their funk last year when Wade's usage went up.
1-0 without Wade or Lebron, 4-0 without Wade, 5-4 with Wade.  Last year doesn't matter.

You're right and because small sample sizes always makes for a compelling argument, they should trade both Wade and LeBron and let Bosh lead the team to the promised land.
now 5-0 without Wade and with Lebron after crushing the Sixers.  4-2 last year without Wade and with Lebron.

The Heat are a better overall team without Wade.  Strange, but true. 
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: Moranis on January 15, 2013, 10:48:57 AM
Obviously I posted this last year before the Heat won the title, but the Wade thread got me to thinking. 

What about a Wade for Love swap?  Love obviously isn't happy in Minnesota and will seemingly opt out as soon as possible.  Wade is happy in Miami but is aging and was never a great fit next to James.  Both are all star players and both really fill a hole on the other team.  Miami really needs that banging rebounder down low and Love's outside shooting will mesh well with both Bosh and James.  Minnesota needs a veteran star that can be that go to player in crunch time and with Pekovic and AK47 can realistically trade a big for a small.

Obviously other pieces could be included like Barea/Ridnour going back to Miami for a big like Lewis/Anthony/Haslem to help even out the respective rosters. 

So if Miami called Minnesota or vice versa, which team balks at the trade?
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: Fafnir on January 15, 2013, 10:51:48 AM
Obviously I posted this last year before the Heat won the title, but the Wade thread got me to thinking. 

What about a Wade for Love swap?  Love obviously isn't happy in Minnesota and will seemingly opt out as soon as possible.  Wade is happy in Miami but is aging and was never a great fit next to James.  Both are all star players and both really fill a hole on the other team.  Miami really needs that banging rebounder down low and Love's outside shooting will mesh well with both Bosh and James.  Minnesota needs a veteran star that can be that go to player in crunch time and with Pekovic and AK47 can realistically trade a big for a small.

Obviously other pieces could be included like Barea/Ridnour going back to Miami for a "big" like say Lewis to help even out the respective rosters. 

So if Miami called Minnesota or vice versa, which team balks at the trade?
Minnesota.

Love worries them because he has an opt out in 2015-2016, Wade has an opt out a year earlier!

Beyond that Love's younger and will provide more if they can convince him to hang around.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: frosty33 on January 15, 2013, 11:17:11 AM
(http://i.minus.com/iX0Y0Zds9peAY.gif)

that would NEVER happen
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: manl_lui on January 15, 2013, 11:21:23 AM
why do we care and want Miami to get better by trading Wade...don't we want them to get worse?

With Wade declining, that is in our favor, with Lee and Bradley having fun with Wade, this is gonna be fun to watch as a Celtic fan!

if we can neutralize Wade/Ray Allen, our chances back at the finals is not such a fantasy...

I believe KG will still be able to contain Bosh...this is 2010 Bos-Cav series all over again

-Let Lebron score all he wants but try to shut down the other players...I honestly believe our rotation of Lee/Bradley/Terry (Doubt Terry will have an impact on the defense end though, but mainly his offense) can contain Wade.

Rondo will have his way with Chalmers.

Also our bench is better than theirs
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: action781 on January 15, 2013, 11:48:56 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=awfmak6

Miami trades:  Wade
Miami gets:  Marc Gasol, Tony Allen

Minnesota trades:  Kirilenko, Pekovic
Minnesota gets:  Rudy Gay

Memphis trades:  Tony Allen, Rudy Gay, Marc Gasol
Memphis gets:  Wade, AK, Pekovic

Miami gives up the most talent in this deal, but I like the fit for them.  (Add, I don't think this trade would ever happen.  I wonder if there's anything similar though)
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: MJohnnyboy on January 15, 2013, 12:11:23 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=awfmak6

Miami trades:  Wade
Miami gets:  Marc Gasol, Tony Allen

Minnesota trades:  Kirilenko, Pekovic
Minnesota gets:  Rudy Gay

Memphis trades:  Tony Allen, Rudy Gay, Marc Gasol
Memphis gets:  Wade, AK, Pekovic

Miami gives up the most talent in this deal, but I like the fit for them.  (Add, I don't think this trade would ever happen.  I wonder if there's anything similar though)

Memphis isn't trading their two most valuable defensive players for a declining Wade.

Minnesota isn't trading a valuable big and a valuable wing for an overpaid wing.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: slamtheking on January 15, 2013, 12:20:09 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=awfmak6

Miami trades:  Wade
Miami gets:  Marc Gasol, Tony Allen

Minnesota trades:  Kirilenko, Pekovic
Minnesota gets:  Rudy Gay

Memphis trades:  Tony Allen, Rudy Gay, Marc Gasol
Memphis gets:  Wade, AK, Pekovic

Miami gives up the most talent in this deal, but I like the fit for them.  (Add, I don't think this trade would ever happen.  I wonder if there's anything similar though)

Memphis isn't trading their two most valuable defensive players for a declining Wade.

Minnesota isn't trading a valuable big and a valuable wing for an overpaid wing.
throw in that Wade is not the best player in this deal.  I'd argue that Gasol would be more highly valued than Wade at this point.  Quite possibly Gay would be as well.

This deal would put Miami over the top for the next several years.  Not even the Minny or Memphis GMs would be foolish enough to set up Miami for a string of titles especially when all they're giving up is a banged up Wade who's declining in talent
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: Who on January 15, 2013, 12:31:58 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=awfmak6

Miami trades:  Wade
Miami gets:  Marc Gasol, Tony Allen

Minnesota trades:  Kirilenko, Pekovic
Minnesota gets:  Rudy Gay

Memphis trades:  Tony Allen, Rudy Gay, Marc Gasol
Memphis gets:  Wade, AK, Pekovic

Miami gives up the most talent in this deal, but I like the fit for them.  (Add, I don't think this trade would ever happen.  I wonder if there's anything similar though)

Memphis isn't trading their two most valuable defensive players for a declining Wade.

Minnesota isn't trading a valuable big and a valuable wing for an overpaid wing.
throw in that Wade is not the best player in this deal.  I'd argue that Gasol would be more highly valued than Wade at this point.  Quite possibly Gay would be as well.

This deal would put Miami over the top for the next several years.  Not even the Minny or Memphis GMs would be foolish enough to set up Miami for a string of titles especially when all they're giving up is a banged up Wade who's declining in talent

I would still rate Wade as comfortably the best player in this deal.

Memphis roster would be pretty interesting post-trade.

PG - Conley, Bayless
SG - Wade, Ellington
SF - Kirilenko, Pondexter
PF - Z.Randolph, D.Arthur
C  - Pekovic, Speights, Haddadi

A 1-2 punch of Wade and Z-Bo. Conley at the point. Kirilenko as a do-it-all forward. Pekovic to provide some interior scoring. Same bench as before. It's an interesting mix.

Not sure whether I'd do the trade from Memphis point of view but that is a very good roster they'd leave behind post-trade. I would consider it.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: action781 on January 15, 2013, 12:34:19 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=awfmak6

Miami trades:  Wade
Miami gets:  Marc Gasol, Tony Allen

Minnesota trades:  Kirilenko, Pekovic
Minnesota gets:  Rudy Gay

Memphis trades:  Tony Allen, Rudy Gay, Marc Gasol
Memphis gets:  Wade, AK, Pekovic

Miami gives up the most talent in this deal, but I like the fit for them.  (Add, I don't think this trade would ever happen.  I wonder if there's anything similar though)

Memphis isn't trading their two most valuable defensive players for a declining Wade.

Minnesota isn't trading a valuable big and a valuable wing for an overpaid wing.
throw in that Wade is not the best player in this deal.  I'd argue that Gasol would be more highly valued than Wade at this point.  Quite possibly Gay would be as well.

This deal would put Miami over the top for the next several years.  Not even the Minny or Memphis GMs would be foolish enough to set up Miami for a string of titles especially when all they're giving up is a banged up Wade who's declining in talent

While it has been well stated in this thread that Wade is declining, I think you are both underestimating how good Wade is.  He is declining from being a top 3 player in the league down to like the 8-15th best player in the league.  Still the best player in that deal.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: Who on January 15, 2013, 12:35:16 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=awfmak6

Miami trades:  Wade
Miami gets:  Marc Gasol, Tony Allen

Minnesota trades:  Kirilenko, Pekovic
Minnesota gets:  Rudy Gay

Memphis trades:  Tony Allen, Rudy Gay, Marc Gasol
Memphis gets:  Wade, AK, Pekovic

Miami gives up the most talent in this deal, but I like the fit for them.  (Add, I don't think this trade would ever happen.  I wonder if there's anything similar though)

Memphis isn't trading their two most valuable defensive players for a declining Wade.

Minnesota isn't trading a valuable big and a valuable wing for an overpaid wing.

I think Minnesota would take a short term hit.

A trio of Ricky Rubio, Rudy Gay and Kevin Love would be a strong three man foundation to build around long term. Better than what they currently have. I think that would be the selling point. A superior long term core to build around. Rather than immediate improvement.

Does Minnesota have much flexibility to build their squad around those three guys though? They'd still have Derrick Williams. He is a valuable trade chip. Some solid guards. A lack of big men. Not sure that is enough.

I think they'd need to find a way to add a Tyson Chandler type big man to complete their squad and put themselves into the title mix. That might be doable.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: Who on January 15, 2013, 12:36:12 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=awfmak6

Miami trades:  Wade
Miami gets:  Marc Gasol, Tony Allen

Minnesota trades:  Kirilenko, Pekovic
Minnesota gets:  Rudy Gay

Memphis trades:  Tony Allen, Rudy Gay, Marc Gasol
Memphis gets:  Wade, AK, Pekovic

Miami gives up the most talent in this deal, but I like the fit for them.  (Add, I don't think this trade would ever happen.  I wonder if there's anything similar though)

Memphis isn't trading their two most valuable defensive players for a declining Wade.

Minnesota isn't trading a valuable big and a valuable wing for an overpaid wing.
throw in that Wade is not the best player in this deal.  I'd argue that Gasol would be more highly valued than Wade at this point.  Quite possibly Gay would be as well.

This deal would put Miami over the top for the next several years.  Not even the Minny or Memphis GMs would be foolish enough to set up Miami for a string of titles especially when all they're giving up is a banged up Wade who's declining in talent

While it has been well stated in this thread that Wade is declining, I think you are both underestimating how good Wade is.  He is declining from being a top 3 player in the league down to like the 8-15th best player in the league.  Still the best player in that deal.
Yeah, that's how I see it too.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: Moranis on January 15, 2013, 12:39:33 PM
Obviously I posted this last year before the Heat won the title, but the Wade thread got me to thinking. 

What about a Wade for Love swap?  Love obviously isn't happy in Minnesota and will seemingly opt out as soon as possible.  Wade is happy in Miami but is aging and was never a great fit next to James.  Both are all star players and both really fill a hole on the other team.  Miami really needs that banging rebounder down low and Love's outside shooting will mesh well with both Bosh and James.  Minnesota needs a veteran star that can be that go to player in crunch time and with Pekovic and AK47 can realistically trade a big for a small.

Obviously other pieces could be included like Barea/Ridnour going back to Miami for a "big" like say Lewis to help even out the respective rosters. 

So if Miami called Minnesota or vice versa, which team balks at the trade?
Minnesota.

Love worries them because he has an opt out in 2015-2016, Wade has an opt out a year earlier!

Beyond that Love's younger and will provide more if they can convince him to hang around.
It's more than just an ETO.  Love is visibly unhappy and that is never a good type of player to have around.  Minny obviously isn't going to just give him away, but I firmly believe that if they got good value back for him they would move him in an instant, even for a guy with an ETO like Wade has.  Certainly would be a calculated risk, but maybe Minny can get some other value back like getting rid of some bad contracts

This seemingly fits the bill

Minny - Wade, Haslem, Cole
Miami - Love, Ridnour, Roy (just to rid Minny of the contract)

That would leave Minnesota with
PG - Rubio, Barea, Cole
SG - Wade, Barea, Shved
SF - Kirilenko, Budinger (when back), Lee
PF - Haslem, Kirilenko, Williams, Cunningham/Admundson
C - Pekovic, Stiemer

And they can still move Williams to plug in some depth (maybe they try to bring in Pau for a 2/3 season run centered around Rubio, Wade, and Pau).


Miami would be
PG - Chalmers, Ridnour
SG - Allen, Ridnour, Roy (if he ever plays again which is unlikely)
SF - James, Miller, Jones
PF - Love, Battier, Lewis
C - Bosh, Anthony


I really think that would be a solid trade for both teams and inch both closer to a title (or in the case of miami keep them there longer).
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: action781 on January 15, 2013, 12:43:02 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=awfmak6

Miami trades:  Wade
Miami gets:  Marc Gasol, Tony Allen

Minnesota trades:  Kirilenko, Pekovic
Minnesota gets:  Rudy Gay

Memphis trades:  Tony Allen, Rudy Gay, Marc Gasol
Memphis gets:  Wade, AK, Pekovic

Miami gives up the most talent in this deal, but I like the fit for them.  (Add, I don't think this trade would ever happen.  I wonder if there's anything similar though)

Memphis isn't trading their two most valuable defensive players for a declining Wade.

Minnesota isn't trading a valuable big and a valuable wing for an overpaid wing.
throw in that Wade is not the best player in this deal.  I'd argue that Gasol would be more highly valued than Wade at this point.  Quite possibly Gay would be as well.

This deal would put Miami over the top for the next several years.  Not even the Minny or Memphis GMs would be foolish enough to set up Miami for a string of titles especially when all they're giving up is a banged up Wade who's declining in talent

I would still rate Wade as comfortably the best player in this deal.

Memphis roster would be pretty interesting post-trade.

PG - Conley, Bayless
SG - Wade, Ellington
SF - Kirilenko, Pondexter
PF - Z.Randolph, D.Arthur
C  - Pekovic, Speights, Haddadi

A 1-2 punch of Wade and Z-Bo. Conley at the point. Kirilenko as a do-it-all forward. Pekovic to provide some interior scoring. Same bench as before. It's an interesting mix.

Not sure whether I'd do the trade from Memphis point of view but that is a very good roster they'd leave behind post-trade. I would consider it.

Memphis' reportedly shopping of Gay is what makes me think they'd be even more on board than we may think.  I think Memphis and Minnesota do it but that Miami is the team in question here.  Defending champs, best record in the East, and they take back less talent than they are sending out?  Sounds awful when put that way, but the fit and the age is what really intrigues me if I'm Riley.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: action781 on January 15, 2013, 12:45:58 PM
Obviously I posted this last year before the Heat won the title, but the Wade thread got me to thinking. 

What about a Wade for Love swap?  Love obviously isn't happy in Minnesota and will seemingly opt out as soon as possible.  Wade is happy in Miami but is aging and was never a great fit next to James.  Both are all star players and both really fill a hole on the other team.  Miami really needs that banging rebounder down low and Love's outside shooting will mesh well with both Bosh and James.  Minnesota needs a veteran star that can be that go to player in crunch time and with Pekovic and AK47 can realistically trade a big for a small.

Obviously other pieces could be included like Barea/Ridnour going back to Miami for a "big" like say Lewis to help even out the respective rosters. 

So if Miami called Minnesota or vice versa, which team balks at the trade?
Minnesota.

Love worries them because he has an opt out in 2015-2016, Wade has an opt out a year earlier!

Beyond that Love's younger and will provide more if they can convince him to hang around.
It's more than just an ETO.  Love is visibly unhappy and that is never a good type of player to have around.  Minny obviously isn't going to just give him away, but I firmly believe that if they got good value back for him they would move him in an instant, even for a guy with an ETO like Wade has.  Certainly would be a calculated risk, but maybe Minny can get some other value back like getting rid of some bad contracts

This seemingly fits the bill

Minny - Wade, Haslem, Cole
Miami - Love, Ridnour, Roy (just to rid Minny of the contract)

That would leave Minnesota with
PG - Rubio, Barea, Cole
SG - Wade, Barea, Shved
SF - Kirilenko, Budinger (when back), Lee
PF - Haslem, Kirilenko, Williams, Cunningham/Admundson
C - Pekovic, Stiemer

And they can still move Williams to plug in some depth (maybe they try to bring in Pau for a 2/3 season run centered around Rubio, Wade, and Pau).


Miami would be
PG - Chalmers, Ridnour
SG - Allen, Ridnour, Roy (if he ever plays again which is unlikely)
SF - James, Miller, Jones
PF - Love, Battier, Lewis
C - Bosh, Anthony


I really think that would be a solid trade for both teams and inch both closer to a title (or in the case of miami keep them there longer).

You think that Minnesota team is legitimate contenders?  This team is inferior by leaps and bounds to the the real contenders like OKC and the new Heat.

I see almost no situation in which they make a deal centered around a Love-Wade swap.  They just don't have enough supporting pieces to contend in the same window as what Wade has left.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: Who on January 15, 2013, 12:50:19 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=awfmak6

Miami trades:  Wade
Miami gets:  Marc Gasol, Tony Allen

Minnesota trades:  Kirilenko, Pekovic
Minnesota gets:  Rudy Gay

Memphis trades:  Tony Allen, Rudy Gay, Marc Gasol
Memphis gets:  Wade, AK, Pekovic

Miami gives up the most talent in this deal, but I like the fit for them.  (Add, I don't think this trade would ever happen.  I wonder if there's anything similar though)

So Miami would be:

PG: Chalmers, N.Cole
SG: T.Allen, R.Allen, J.Jones
SF: LeBron, S.Battier, M.Miller
PF: C.Bosh, U.Haslem, R.Lewis
C:  M.Gasol, J.Anthony

versus

PG: Chalmers, N.Cole
SG: D-Wade, R.Allen
SF: LeBron, M.Miller, J.Jones
PF: Battier, R.Lewis, (U.Haslem)
C:  Bosh, J.Anthony, U.Haslem

Hmm ... need to think some more about that one.

(1) Not sure about Bosh and M.Gasol together. I don't really like that combination. I think Marc Gasol really benefits power players in the post but not so much with a finesse face up big like Bosh.

(2) I'd like to get a shooter alongside LeBron instead of a non-shooter like TA especially if switching to a more typical lineup.

A fearsome defensive team.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: Moranis on January 15, 2013, 12:50:57 PM
Obviously I posted this last year before the Heat won the title, but the Wade thread got me to thinking. 

What about a Wade for Love swap?  Love obviously isn't happy in Minnesota and will seemingly opt out as soon as possible.  Wade is happy in Miami but is aging and was never a great fit next to James.  Both are all star players and both really fill a hole on the other team.  Miami really needs that banging rebounder down low and Love's outside shooting will mesh well with both Bosh and James.  Minnesota needs a veteran star that can be that go to player in crunch time and with Pekovic and AK47 can realistically trade a big for a small.

Obviously other pieces could be included like Barea/Ridnour going back to Miami for a "big" like say Lewis to help even out the respective rosters. 

So if Miami called Minnesota or vice versa, which team balks at the trade?
Minnesota.

Love worries them because he has an opt out in 2015-2016, Wade has an opt out a year earlier!

Beyond that Love's younger and will provide more if they can convince him to hang around.
It's more than just an ETO.  Love is visibly unhappy and that is never a good type of player to have around.  Minny obviously isn't going to just give him away, but I firmly believe that if they got good value back for him they would move him in an instant, even for a guy with an ETO like Wade has.  Certainly would be a calculated risk, but maybe Minny can get some other value back like getting rid of some bad contracts

This seemingly fits the bill

Minny - Wade, Haslem, Cole
Miami - Love, Ridnour, Roy (just to rid Minny of the contract)

That would leave Minnesota with
PG - Rubio, Barea, Cole
SG - Wade, Barea, Shved
SF - Kirilenko, Budinger (when back), Lee
PF - Haslem, Kirilenko, Williams, Cunningham/Admundson
C - Pekovic, Stiemer

And they can still move Williams to plug in some depth (maybe they try to bring in Pau for a 2/3 season run centered around Rubio, Wade, and Pau).


Miami would be
PG - Chalmers, Ridnour
SG - Allen, Ridnour, Roy (if he ever plays again which is unlikely)
SF - James, Miller, Jones
PF - Love, Battier, Lewis
C - Bosh, Anthony


I really think that would be a solid trade for both teams and inch both closer to a title (or in the case of miami keep them there longer).

You think that Minnesota team is legitimate contenders?  This team is inferior by leaps and bounds to the the real contenders like OKC and the new Heat.

I see almost no situation in which they make a deal centered around a Love-Wade swap.  They just don't have enough supporting pieces to contend in the same window as what Wade has left.
Love has a broken hand and isn't even playing right now and Rubio is just coming back.  I think if you added Wade to that team, that it is much closer to a title than they are right now.  Minnesota lacks that go to big time scorer.  They are a team with a bunch of dirty dogs, but they need that finesse player that has ice water in his veins at crunch time.  I think that Minnesota team, while not being quite at OKC's level, would give every team in the west fits.  Wade is that sort of game changing player, especially in the post season.  Put him with the young up and comers and the cagey vet in AK47, and yeah I think they could do some damage out west. 
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: Who on January 15, 2013, 12:56:00 PM

Minny - Wade, Haslem, Cole
Miami - Love, Ridnour, Roy (just to rid Minny of the contract)

That would leave Minnesota with
PG - Rubio, Barea, Cole
SG - Wade, Barea, Shved
SF - Kirilenko, Budinger (when back), Lee
PF - Haslem, Kirilenko, Williams, Cunningham/Admundson
C - Pekovic, Stiemer

Very little jump-shooting between Rubio, Wade and Kirilenko.

Pekovic and/or Haslem don't provide much spacing either. Wade is actually the best jump-shooter in that starting five.

Not wild about any team relying on Haslem as a starter anymore. I think those days are behind him. Moving Kirilenko to the power forward position and starting Chase Budinger looks a good solution to me.

PG: Rubio
SG: Wade
SF: Budinger
PF: Kirilenko
C:  Pekovic

A lot more speed and quickness on the floor. More jump-shooting. Extra ball handling. Pekovic would have the paint to himself and be a lethal finisher inside whenever Wade or Rubio draws the help defenders. That would be a pretty mean team.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: action781 on January 15, 2013, 01:05:10 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=awfmak6

Miami trades:  Wade
Miami gets:  Marc Gasol, Tony Allen

Minnesota trades:  Kirilenko, Pekovic
Minnesota gets:  Rudy Gay

Memphis trades:  Tony Allen, Rudy Gay, Marc Gasol
Memphis gets:  Wade, AK, Pekovic

Miami gives up the most talent in this deal, but I like the fit for them.  (Add, I don't think this trade would ever happen.  I wonder if there's anything similar though)

So Miami would be:

PG: Chalmers, N.Cole
SG: T.Allen, R.Allen, J.Jones
SF: LeBron, S.Battier, M.Miller
PF: C.Bosh, U.Haslem, R.Lewis
C:  M.Gasol, J.Anthony

versus

PG: Chalmers, N.Cole
SG: D-Wade, R.Allen
SF: LeBron, M.Miller, J.Jones
PF: Battier, R.Lewis, (U.Haslem)
C:  Bosh, J.Anthony, U.Haslem

Hmm ... need to think some more about that one.

(1) Not sure about Bosh and M.Gasol together. I don't really like that combination. I think Marc Gasol really benefits power players in the post but not so much with a finesse face up big like Bosh.

(2) I'd like to get a shooter alongside LeBron instead of a non-shooter like TA especially if switching to a more typical lineup.

A fearsome defensive team.

I see what you're saying about (1) because of Memphis' style and Gasol's success there, but I think Marc and Bosh could play similarly together to how Marc and Pau played for Spain.  Also, this team still has a lot of very capable players on the wings though and I could see them playing some small ball still with Lebron at the 4 and a combination of Battier, Ray, Miller, TA playing the 2/3 spots.

(2)  This team already has a lot of shooters on the roster with Chalmers, Ray, Battier, Jones, Miller, Lewis and even Bosh.  I think that spreading the floor is wonderful (seriously), but when everyone is strictly a spot up shooter, I think defensive rotations are very easy to get the hang of when none of the players can drive to confuse the defense.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: Who on January 15, 2013, 01:25:28 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=awfmak6

Miami trades:  Wade
Miami gets:  Marc Gasol, Tony Allen

Minnesota trades:  Kirilenko, Pekovic
Minnesota gets:  Rudy Gay

Memphis trades:  Tony Allen, Rudy Gay, Marc Gasol
Memphis gets:  Wade, AK, Pekovic

Miami gives up the most talent in this deal, but I like the fit for them.  (Add, I don't think this trade would ever happen.  I wonder if there's anything similar though)

So Miami would be:

PG: Chalmers, N.Cole
SG: T.Allen, R.Allen, J.Jones
SF: LeBron, S.Battier, M.Miller
PF: C.Bosh, U.Haslem, R.Lewis
C:  M.Gasol, J.Anthony

versus

PG: Chalmers, N.Cole
SG: D-Wade, R.Allen
SF: LeBron, M.Miller, J.Jones
PF: Battier, R.Lewis, (U.Haslem)
C:  Bosh, J.Anthony, U.Haslem

Hmm ... need to think some more about that one.

(1) Not sure about Bosh and M.Gasol together. I don't really like that combination. I think Marc Gasol really benefits power players in the post but not so much with a finesse face up big like Bosh.

(2) I'd like to get a shooter alongside LeBron instead of a non-shooter like TA especially if switching to a more typical lineup.

A fearsome defensive team.

I see what you're saying about (1) because of Memphis' style and Gasol's success there, but I think Marc and Bosh could play similarly together to how Marc and Pau played for Spain.  Also, this team still has a lot of very capable players on the wings though and I could see them playing some small ball still with Lebron at the 4 and a combination of Battier, Ray, Miller, TA playing the 2/3 spots.

(2)  This team already has a lot of shooters on the roster with Chalmers, Ray, Battier, Jones, Miller, Lewis and even Bosh.  I think that spreading the floor is wonderful (seriously), but when everyone is strictly a spot up shooter, I think defensive rotations are very easy to get the hang of when none of the players can drive to confuse the defense.

I don't consider Bosh a similar player to Pau Gasol. Pau Gasol has a post game. Bosh does not. That is why Pau Gasol works so well with Marc Gasol. Because it forces the smaller player to cover Pau in the post and Pau can go to work on him. Bosh isn't like that.

I think mobility is very important in choosing a big man to play alongside Bosh. I would target someone like Al Horford or Josh Smith to play alongside Bosh. Marc Gasol is a plodder. A highly skilled big but a plodder.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: Celtics4ever on January 15, 2013, 02:28:27 PM
I want MIA to crash and burn!
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: azzenfrost on January 15, 2013, 03:07:17 PM
Me too.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: Accension13 on January 15, 2013, 03:16:56 PM
Riley should consider trading Wade.  They should cash out now before everyone in the league begins to perceive Wade as a has been.  Wade could bring back cousins, Gay, or any of the high profile guys that are rumored to be in the move
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: j804 on January 15, 2013, 04:36:47 PM
I want MIA to crash and burn!
This.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: Moranis on May 30, 2013, 10:03:39 AM
With Wade always being hurt, I figured it was time to bring this back to the forefront.  Miami should trade Wade at this point I'd be curious to see what they could get for him.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: slamtheking on May 30, 2013, 10:42:17 AM
With Wade always being hurt, I figured it was time to bring this back to the forefront.  Miami should trade Wade at this point I'd be curious to see what they could get for him.
he's the best piece for them to move.  I stand by my assessment of the original deal from earlier in the thread, I would not give up Marc Gasol for Wade (as well as the other pieces involved even though Gay has moved on).
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: manl_lui on May 30, 2013, 11:02:33 AM
I want MIA to crash and burn!
This.

double this
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: wiley on May 30, 2013, 12:15:17 PM
They should have traded him yesteryear!

No way he's worth Kevin Love.  Not close.  Imagine a Bosh Love Lebron team?

I'm sure Riley sees how better Miami could be with a studly big man in place of Wade, but then there's loyalty and all the rest...
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: D.o.s. on May 30, 2013, 12:26:29 PM
I think Wade is in a Rondo-like situation right now--namely, that based on past performance he's worth way more to them than most other teams are willing to part with, both in salary and in their franchise history.

He's responsible for both of their championships. He's far and away the best "home-grown" talent they've ever had, and he's being paid like a superstar even though it's obvious that he's not worth the money any more.

My guess is he rides out into the South Beach Sunset when he stops playing.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: SHAQATTACK on May 30, 2013, 12:59:27 PM
he'll never play for another team,  unless maybe Phil or Doc.   He is a diva /whiner supreme ,  he doesn't want to be coached, or told what to do.   He would fight with most coaches,  thats why Spo is there , a spineless  dweeb to stand between Wade and hot tempered Riley . 

Wade is not coachable , never was ...he plays a wild street ball game all based on his athletic ability . He'll retire there.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: pearljammer10 on May 30, 2013, 01:44:04 PM
How bout this for the sake of terrible trade ideas.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=893ejub  (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=893ejub)
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: CelticG1 on May 30, 2013, 02:03:44 PM
When all is said and done Paul Pierce will have a greater career than Wade and Melo
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: CelticConcourse on May 30, 2013, 02:57:53 PM
Absurd! That's like trading Dirk, Kobe, Duncan, or Pierce. Ridiculous.

Wade is a HEAT
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: CelticsFan9 on May 30, 2013, 03:01:13 PM
Wade was the primary reason LeBron went to Miami in the first place.  I'd think he wouldn't have hard feelings leaving if they traded Wade.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: OsirusCeltics on May 30, 2013, 03:40:30 PM
This is the thing I dont get with Wade in Miami and Pierce in Boston
Both players were the face of their franchises, and brought their franchises a title
Why trade them? Just renew their contract to a lower price per year and keep them of the team
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: scaryjerry on May 30, 2013, 05:10:56 PM
Absurd! That's like trading Dirk, Kobe, Duncan, or Pierce. Ridiculous.

Wade is a HEAT

Wrong...wade hasn't been with the heat as long...all those players almost left their franchises at one time...overrated sentimental junk
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: CelticConcourse on May 30, 2013, 05:19:06 PM
Absurd! That's like trading Dirk, Kobe, Duncan, or Pierce. Ridiculous.

Wade is a HEAT

Wrong...wade hasn't been with the heat as long...all those players almost left their franchises at one time...overrated sentimental junk

Key word almost. They never actually left.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: Atzar on May 30, 2013, 06:09:09 PM
I think the Heat should absolutely trade Wade.  LeBron is the centerpiece of that franchise now.  If they can move Wade for an above average center, I think it would help that team more than Wade himself would.

I have to wonder if both parties would be interested in sign-and-trading Bynum and another piece - Turner? - for Wade.  Philly gets a star and aren't left with nothing after the Bynum ordeal.  Miami gets a decent starter-level SG and potentially a dominant center who fits terrifyingly well with LeBron and Bosh if he can stay healthy.   
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: CelticConcourse on May 30, 2013, 06:20:46 PM
Wade is a guaranteed HOFer and got Miami it's only two rings. Moving him would be devastating for the franchise.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: Atzar on May 30, 2013, 06:35:07 PM
Wade is a guaranteed HOFer and got Miami it's only two rings. Moving him would be devastating for the franchise.

In what way would it be devastating?  I fail to see how a good business decision could devastate anything except the rest of the NBA.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: soap07 on May 30, 2013, 06:36:34 PM
When all is said and done Paul Pierce will have a greater career than Wade and Melo

There is no earthly way that Paul will have a greater career than Wade when all is said and done when, if Wade and Pierce both retired today, Wade has already had a greater career.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: CelticConcourse on May 30, 2013, 06:40:15 PM
Wade is a guaranteed HOFer and got Miami it's only two rings. Moving him would be devastating for the franchise.

In what way would it be devastating?  I fail to see how a good business decision could devastate anything except the rest of the NBA.

Again, Dwyane Wade will only ever play for the HEAT. He belongs nowhere but Miami. He will retired as a member of the Miami Heat, in Black, White and Red.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: Atzar on May 30, 2013, 06:48:53 PM
Wade is a guaranteed HOFer and got Miami it's only two rings. Moving him would be devastating for the franchise.

In what way would it be devastating?  I fail to see how a good business decision could devastate anything except the rest of the NBA.

Again, Dwyane Wade will only ever play for the HEAT. He belongs nowhere but Miami. He will retired as a member of the Miami Heat, in Black, White and Red.

So in other words, you have no actual reason other than some vague sense of 'belonging'.  Got it. 

This is a business, not a wedding.  Miami is committed to winning championships.  Trading Wade could potentially put them in better position than they are even now.  And since Wade will be the first of the three to decline (and it may have already started) it makes a lot of sense to move him while he still has a lot of value.  It's likely all downhill from here.

The only way this hurts them is if they don't sell LeBron on the idea first.  p---ing him off enough to make him bolt in 2014 would be an absolute disaster for them.  But if he's on board and they find a worthwhile deal, then it's a no-brainer for them. 
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: Celtics4ever on May 30, 2013, 06:49:57 PM
Quote
Again, Dwyane Wade will only ever play for the HEAT. He belongs nowhere but Miami. He will retired as a member of the Miami Heat, in Black, White and Red.

I don't think the HEAT has the class to pull this off.  They certainally don't have the history.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: CelticConcourse on May 30, 2013, 07:01:41 PM
Wade is a guaranteed HOFer and got Miami it's only two rings. Moving him would be devastating for the franchise.

In what way would it be devastating?  I fail to see how a good business decision could devastate anything except the rest of the NBA.

Again, Dwyane Wade will only ever play for the HEAT. He belongs nowhere but Miami. He will retired as a member of the Miami Heat, in Black, White and Red.

So in other words, you have no actual reason other than some vague sense of 'belonging'.  Got it. 

This is a business, not a wedding.  Miami is committed to winning championships.  Trading Wade could potentially put them in better position than they are even now.  And since Wade will be the first of the three to decline (and it may have already started) it makes a lot of sense to move him while he still has a lot of value.  It's likely all downhill from here.

The only way this hurts them is if they don't sell LeBron on the idea first.  p---ing him off enough to make him bolt in 2014 would be an absolute disaster for them.  But if he's on board and they find a worthwhile deal, then it's a no-brainer for them.

"So in other words, you have no actual reason other than some vague sense of 'belonging'.  Got it."

That's exactly what I mean. Loyalty is loyalty, and it exists in business, and anywhere. Wade is synonymous with HEAT.

I don't like Wade or the Heat, but Wade's gonna be playing there his whole career. No matter what.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: CelticConcourse on May 30, 2013, 07:14:03 PM
Quote
Again, Dwyane Wade will only ever play for the HEAT. He belongs nowhere but Miami. He will retired as a member of the Miami Heat, in Black, White and Red.

I don't think the HEAT has the class to pull this off.  They certainally don't have the history.

They have the only role player in the league whose been on the same team for all 10 years, Udonis Haslem.

They signed Juwan Howard, who nobody wanted, simply because they liked him from last year. He doesn't even play!

They've kept Wade all these years and he's still a ridiculously good player averaging 21/5/5 with a 24 PER (7th in league, 1st among SGs)

He's still a HOFer and can be considered the best SG in the world today. Trading his 18 million dollar contract would be pretty dumb, and plus, he's a huge fan favorite (still 7th in NBA jersey sales).

Wade ⇋ HEAT
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: D.o.s. on May 31, 2013, 03:14:31 AM
I'd also like to reiterate that I'd wager there's no team willing to pay him his Superstar contract for his sidekick performance except for Miami.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: wdleehi on May 31, 2013, 07:54:57 AM
Quote
Again, Dwyane Wade will only ever play for the HEAT. He belongs nowhere but Miami. He will retired as a member of the Miami Heat, in Black, White and Red.

I don't think the HEAT has the class to pull this off.  They certainally don't have the history.

They have the only role player in the league whose been on the same team for all 10 years, Udonis Haslem.

They signed Juwan Howard, who nobody wanted, simply because they liked him from last year. He doesn't even play!

They've kept Wade all these years and he's still a ridiculously good player averaging 21/5/5 with a 24 PER (7th in league, 1st among SGs)

He's still a HOFer and can be considered the best SG in the world today. Trading his 18 million dollar contract would be pretty dumb, and plus, he's a huge fan favorite (still 7th in NBA jersey sales).

Wade ⇋ HEAT


It is quite simple, as long as Lebron is happy having Wade as his little buddy on the team, Wade stays.


If Lebron starts to see that Wade is deteriorating in front of his eyes and it starts affecting the Heats ability to win a title, Wade may be traded.


The Heat have seen what they are when they are Wades team without Lebron (or Shaq).  A 8th to 6th seed.  (and that was with healthier Wade) 

The Heat are no longer Wade's team.  He gave his team over to Lebron.
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: Moranis on June 20, 2013, 09:41:44 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba/news/20130619/lebron-james-dwyane-wade-miami-heat-nba-finals/?sct=hp_t12_a6&eref=sihp (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba/news/20130619/lebron-james-dwyane-wade-miami-heat-nba-finals/?sct=hp_t12_a6&eref=sihp)
Title: Re: Miami should trade Wade
Post by: ItStaysYang on June 20, 2013, 10:02:39 AM
Wade is a guaranteed HOFer and got Miami it's only two rings. Moving him would be devastating for the franchise.

In what way would it be devastating?  I fail to see how a good business decision could devastate anything except the rest of the NBA.

Again, Dwyane Wade will only ever play for the HEAT. He belongs nowhere but Miami. He will retired as a member of the Miami Heat, in Black, White and Red.

So in other words, you have no actual reason other than some vague sense of 'belonging'.  Got it. 

This is a business, not a wedding.  Miami is committed to winning championships.  Trading Wade could potentially put them in better position than they are even now.  And since Wade will be the first of the three to decline (and it may have already started) it makes a lot of sense to move him while he still has a lot of value.  It's likely all downhill from here.

The only way this hurts them is if they don't sell LeBron on the idea first.  p---ing him off enough to make him bolt in 2014 would be an absolute disaster for them.  But if he's on board and they find a worthwhile deal, then it's a no-brainer for them.

"So in other words, you have no actual reason other than some vague sense of 'belonging'.  Got it."

That's exactly what I mean. Loyalty is loyalty, and it exists in business, and anywhere. Wade is synonymous with HEAT.

I don't like Wade or the Heat, but Wade's gonna be playing there his whole career. No matter what.

Do you have little (if any) understanding as to how the NBA as an entity operates?